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Dave: You'relisteningtoBulletproofradiowithDaveAsprey.Today'scoolfactofthedayisthatrecentCanadianstudyhasshownthatBDSM,that'slikebondageandfantasiesarereallycommoninbothmenandwomen.About51%ofwomen,fantasizeaboutbeingtiedupwhile46%wanttobeincharge.Ontheotherhand,Ihavenoideaoftheothersmallpercentagewho'sleftover,about3%apparentlyareasexual.Ontheotherhandthe53%ofmenfantasizeaboutbeingdominatedand46%thinkaboutspankingforsexualpleasure.Contrarytothecharactersin50ShadesofGrey,ourstudiesalsoshowthatBDSMparticipantsarejustashealthypsychologicallyaboutsexaspeoplewhodoittheoldfashionway.

Today'sepisodeisgoingtodelveintosomeofthosethings.Idon'tthinkwe'regoingtogettoo...What'sthewordforit?Toographichere,however,Ihavenoideaexactlyhowgraphicit'llget.Ifyouarelisteningwithpeopleinthecarwhoareimpressionableandneedtoknownothingaboutwhatwe'regoingtotalkabout,youcanskipthisepisodeandthat'sallright.Beforewegetintotoday'sguestandbynowyou'regoing,whoisthiswomanwho'sgoingtobeonthisshow?You'llknowinaminute.

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Dave: Let'stalkaboutwhatyoucandotoyourBulletproofCoffeetoupgradeyoursexdrivealittlebit.There'ssomethingcalledBulletproofCacaoButterandofcoursethere'sBulletproofChocolatePowder.YoucanmixtheseintoyourBulletproofcoffeeandyougetmorelikeamochaflavorwithoutthesweetness.YoucanputabitofXylitolfrombirchtreesandifyouwantthesweetbutcacaoboththeoilandthepowdercontainssomethingcalledPEAorphenyle...Icanneversaythiswordright.Phenylethylamine,whichisamoodenhancingcompoundthatsimulatesendorphinesandthisisaneurochemicalsofpleasure.

Thosechemicalsarealsoknowntoimproveyourlibido.TheJournalofSexualMedicinesaysthatwomenwhoenjoychocolateeverydayhaveamoreactivesexlifethanthosewhodon't.It'ssummer,youcan'tevengettheBulletproofChocolateBarsrightnowbutwehavelabtestedchocolatebarsthatarelacedwithbrainoctaneandzerosugar.WhatIdoduringthecoldmonthsisI'llshipthosetoyouandduringthehotmonthsIstopshippingthem,butIstockup.Istillhaveabout50oftheseBulletproofChocolateBarsathomesoI'mneverwithoutmychocolate.SorryyoumissedoutbutyoucancheckouttheCacaoPowderandCacaoButteronBulletproof.com.

Allright,today'sguestisMistressNatalie.Sheisaprofessionaldominatrix,acertifiedlifecoachandanentrepreneur.She'sgotabout20yearsofdoingsomethingcalledBDSMandwe'regoingtohaveascientificconversationaboutwhyandhowandwhathappensthere.She'sdoneprettymucheverythingthatIcanthinkofthere,bondage,corporalpunishment,humiliation,somethingcalledsluttraining,youcantelluswhatthatis,medicaltorment,financialdomination.Thatisanimpressiveone.Gettingpeopletofetishizegivingyoumoney,thathastobetheultimatehack.Hypnosisandothertechniquesandthingslikethat.That'simpressiveandtotallyunusualandit'saformofbiohackingforsureandwe'llgetintowhyIbelievethat'sthecase.Theotherreasonthatyou'reontheshowandI'msayingyou,becauseheyMistressNataliesayhello.

Natalie: Hi.

Dave: TheotherreasonIwantedyouontheshowtodayisthatyouhit240poundswhenyouwereateenager.Youwereaveganonaveryrestrictivecaloriediet,youbrokeyourhealth.Weactuallyhaveverysimilarhealthjourneyswherebeingheavyasateenagerdoesn'tworkoutverywell.ForpeoplewhoarewatchingthevideoonYouTube,gotobulletproofexec.com/youtubeinordertofindtheYouTubechannel.You'llseethatMistressNatalieisIthinktechnicallyveryattractivewouldbetherightwayofputtingit.Isthataccurate?Whatdoyouthink.

Natalie: Thankyou.Ihopeso.


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Dave: SeeIwastryingtomakeyoutootyourownhornthereandgoodyoucandoit.

Natalie: NoI'msorry.OnlywhenI'minmyprofessionalmodewillItootmyownhornadnauseam.

Dave: Exactly,andasitshouldbe.ThereasonthatIwantedtohaveyouontheshowhereisthatthisisactuallyreallyacommonthing.50ShadesofGreywasanincrediblebestsellerandjustoverwhelmingintermsoftheamountofinterestinitandit'shardtogoSafewaywithoutseeing50ShadesofGreyontheshelf.

Natalie: Thebookareeverywhere.

Dave: Igetit'senteredthenationalconsciousnessandthere'salotofinterestingpsychologythatcomesoutwiththiskindofstufffromwhatI'veheard.I'mfromSiliconValley,it'sBayArea.Theydothisstuffallovertheplace.

Natalie: Allthetimeyes.

Dave: Someofthethingslikeinversiontherapy,thisisjustfromourconversationsaheadoftime.Ihangupsidedown.Youhangpeopleupsidedown,maybeslightlydifferently.

Natalie: Ido.

Dave: [Sensorydeprivationcanproduceprofoundchangesinyourbrain.Ihaveasensorydeprivationtank.Oneofthetechniquesthatyouuseisactuallylikeblindfoldingandpluggingpeople'searsandstufflikethat.They'vegotnowheretogobutinsidethemindeventhoughmaybethey'velostcontrolthere.Youdoalotofelectricalstemitsoundslike?

Natalie: Yes.Definitely.

Dave: Idoalotofelectricalstem.

Natalie: Iknow,somanysimilarities.

Dave: It'sseemslikeabitofastretchbutthere'sprobablysomephysiologygoingherethatwecandiginon.Finally,youtalkaboutchastityplaywhichI'mveryintriguedtohearaboutbecauselongtimelistenersknowthatIgaveatalk,jeez,it'sgoingbackabout4or5yearsabouthowejaculatingtoofrequentlyactuallysucksyourenergyandmakesyou...Atleastformen.Idon'tthinkit'sparticularlyhealthybasedonTantraandbasedonayearofexperimentingwithgoingupto30dayswithoutejaculating,justnotwithoutsex,justwithoutejaculation.Ibelievethatthere'sprobablysomecoolstuffgoinghereandIjustwantedwanttotalktooneoftheworld'sexpertsonthis.Welcometotheshowandthisisgoingtobefunandinterestingandwe'llseeifit'stitillatingornot.

Natalie: Ithinkitshouldbeandyes,Imeanallofthethingsthatyoumentioned.DefinitelytheparallelsthatIcanseeassomeonewhostartedbiohackingabout4yearsagonowanddoingwhatIhavebeendoingforabout22,I'mdrawingalltheseconnectionsinmymindbeinglikeohmyGod,I


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didn'trealizewhatIhadbeendoingforthepast22yearshavealotofsimilaritieswiththethingspeopledoandbiohackingandselfimprovementsandotherpartsoflife.Itwasveryinterestingformewhenthebrainstartedtomaketheseconnections.Iwaslike,"Heywaitaminute."Hopefullywecanbringsomeofthosetolight.

Dave: Nowlet'stalkaboutyourdefinitionofBDSM.Therearepeoplelisteningandthere'sallkindsofpreconceivednotionsaboutthis.I'vehadafewfriendswhoaresuperintoBDSMandtheyalllikedifferentthingsanditseemslikeaverybroaddefinition.Telltheaudiencehowyoudefineitandlet'sjustgothroughyourstoryandthentalkaboutwhatitdoesforpeople.First,whatisit?

Natalie: Well,theacronymisbondage,discipline,dominance,submissionandsadomasochismbutagainthosewordsmeanalotofdifferentthingstodifferentpeopleespeciallywhenyouputthemalltogether.ItdefinitelyexcludesanotherpartofBDSMwhichisfetishism.Theactualacronymdoesn'treallyrepresentthewholepictureanditishugelyhugelyjustwideopentopeople'sperceptionofwhattheyconsiderBDSM.FormebecauseI'vebeenpracticingforsolongandIhavealotofinterest,itcanbearangeofthingsbutIcantellyouinsteadofmaybewhatexactlyitis,it'swhatit'snotatleastformeinmyprofessionalandpersonallife.It'snotaboutreally,trulyhurtingsomebody,it'snotaboutbeingcompletelyselfishandit'snotaboutbeingthisdemandingover-archingstereotypicalwomanwho'sjustusinganddebasinganotherhumanbeing.It'sreallyaboutusingkinkythings,counterculturethings,fetishandsomeofthethingswewouldassociatewithBDSM,bondageandleatherandrestraintsandrestrictionandpunishmenttosortofgetapersontowheretheyneedtobe.

That'swhywhatIdoissobroadbecauseit'scompletelyindividualized.I'mthereasasortoffacilitatormorethananythingelse.Itallisinthiscontextofapowerexchange.I'mtheoneincharge,you'retheonenotinchargebutinrealityalloftheboundariesandinterestshavebeensetupaheadoftimesonothingwouldevergoonthatwasn'talreadyapprovedfrombothends.Formeitsreallymoreaboutgettingsomebodytogosomeplacethattheyneedtogothrough,fetishandkinkyoutsideoftheboxavenues.

Dave: Whatisreallyhappeningthereisthatyou'resettingupsomethingaheadoftimewithsomeonewherethey'resayingthesearethethingsthatIwanttoexperience.

Natalie: Mm-hmm(affirmative).

Dave: Thenyouarehelpingthemexperiencethis.Okaywhatdoyougetoutofitotherthan,paid.

Natalie: Actuallyit'sreallyinteresting.Ifellintothisone,Iwasvery,veryyoungandIalwayshadaninterestoneinthingsthatweremedicalandtwo,anythingthatwascounterculture,punkrockmusic,leatherchains.WhenIwasyoungMotleyCruehadavideoandwesawthegirlsintheseoutfitsandsothat'swhyIwasoriginallyattractedtoitandsortoffellintoitbutthenasIstarteddevelopingmyowninterestIrealizedwhatIgotoutofitaboveeverythingelsewasknowingthatthepersonleftmefeelingbetterthanwhentheywalkedthroughthedoor.HavingyourjobbewhereyoucanmakesomebodyfeelbetteristhebestjobthattherepossiblyissoIgetemailsandlettersandthingsthathaveliterallybroughtmetotearswithgratitudeandthankingmeandseeinghowessentialourplayandwhatwedoisintheirlifemakingthem


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betterparents,bettercolleagues,justbetterpeoplethemselves.Imean,whatmorecouldyouaskfor?

Dave: TherearepeopleIknowwhopracticeBDSM.Severalofthemhavetoldmeit'stherapeutic.Theyfeelsomehowjustdifferentwhenthey'redoneandthatit'snotnecessarilysexual.Doyouhavesexwithyourclients?

Natalie: Notatall.ActuallyIwouldsaythatthereisonlyafractionofmyclientswhoactuallyorgasmduringourtimetogetherandit'sneveranythingthatIsortoffacilitate.Ifanythingit'skindoftheoppositeofthat.Ittakessexorwhatwethinkofthistraditionalsexanditreallybringsittoamentallevel.There'salotofphysicalthingsgoingonbutit'snotsexinthetraditionalwayespeciallythewaymenthinkofitwhichisaveryphysicalactthatcanonlyreallybeexemplifiedbycompletionwithanorgasm.Formanyofmysubsandslavesthat'snotevenbroachedandfortheonesthatitisit'saninterplayoftentimeslikeyouhadmentionedchastityhavealargepercentageofmysubswhoduringourplaytimeareactuallyinchastitythewholetimebecausewhenthat'snotthefocusthenalloftheseotherthingscanberealizedandalltheseotherexperiencescanbebroughttolightandonmanylevels.

Dave: Whatdoesinchastitymean?

Natalie: There'svariousdevicesthatyoucanactuallywearthatsortofkeepyourgenitalsfromgettinganerectionandthatyoucan'tstimulateitatall.It'sjustsortofbeinglockedaway.

Dave: Youactuallypadlocktheequipmentthere.Allright.

Natalie: Yes.

Dave: Youkindoftakethatoffthetableatthebeginning.

Natalie: Justtake...Thishasnothingtodowithwhatwe'reabouttodo.You'relockedup,Ihavethekey,maybeyou'llgetitback,we'llsee.

Dave: Okay.

Natalie: SometimesI'llkeepthekey,givethemakeyinalockboxwithacombinationandthentheyhavetowaitXnumberofdaysforhopefullytheemailthatcomeswiththecode.

Dave: Yousendthemhomeandthey'restillpadlocked,wow.IguesstheTSA...

Natalie: Wives,theyloveit.

Dave: Thewivesloveit?

Natalie: Wellifthey'reacoupleandacoupleisokaywiththiskindofplayalotoftimesthereareassignments.They'llhaveassignmentstoreallygivetheirpartneralotofattentionandallofasuddenthefocusjustgoesonpleasingsomebodyelse.


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Dave: Youhavewiveswhosendtheirhusbandstoyou?

Natalie: Ihaveafewbutit'smorelikethey'recouplesandthewivesareokaywiththeplaybutreallyjust

don'thaveaninterestinparticipating.Somewillparticipatealittlebittotheleveloftheyknowandwillbeincorporatedthatwayandsomearejustlike,"Dowhatyouwanttodothat'stotallyfine.IunderstandthisispartofyoubutIdon'tgetit.It'snotinmeandIdon'twanttobethatperson."

Dave: Okay.Doyouhavewomenwhoareclientsaswell?

Natalie: Ido.Asmallerpercentage.Ithinkforacoupleofdifferentreasons.One,inoursociety,Istilldon'tthinkit'sokaytopayforwhat'sconsideredsexualserviceswhereaswithmenit'stotallyacceptable.Ithinkthatplaysalotintoit.AlsoIjustdon'tthinkalotofdominatefemalesgeartheiraudiencetowardssubmissivefemalessoIjustdon'tthinkfromageneralmarketingperspectivethatalotofwomenreallyknowaboutitunlesstheysearchout.

Dave: Youmentionedthatyoujustfeltattractedtothisasayoungperson.Howdidyoubecomeaprofessionalthough?I'msurethere'slotsofpeoplewhoexperimentwhenthey'reyoung,whoareattractedtoallsortsofthingsbutthenyoutookitonestepfurther.Whendidyoudecidethatyouweregoingtochargeforthis?

Natalie: Itwasatotalaccidenttobehonest.Thiswasbackin1993.There'snointernet,there'snothing,Ihadnoideathatthisexistedasacareer.WhileIhadinterestinit,Istilldidn'tunderstandittoalmostsortofreallevel.Itwaslikeimagerythatwasattractivetome.ItwasjustafriendofminewhoIhadn'tseenforacoupleofyearswasworkinginthisroleplaydominationhouseandIbumpedintoheronaweekendhomefromcollegeandshe's,"Heycometoworkwithme."You're19,noteven19,18.You'relike,"Sure,whatever."Igotohangoutwithher.Youdon'tthink,ohwhatdoyoudo?Whereareyouworking?Thingsstartedtodevelopasthedaywenton.Iwaslike,"Whatisthisplace?"SheexplainedittomeandIwasfascinated.IjustthoughtitwaswonderfulbutIdidn'tthinkitwouldbeanythingI’ddo.One,Ihadlostasignificantamountofweightbutwasstillveryoverweight.Iwasprobablyabout170or180poundsandjustgettingoverbeing...

Dave: Whatareyounowjustforcomparison?

Natalie: About140.

Dave: Okay,soyou'remuchlighternowandyou'reatahealthyweight?

Natalie: YesandIwas240soIwasstill...Iwasoverweightsincekindergarten.IsawtheseattractivewomenandtheselittleoutfitsandIwaslike,"Ohthatcouldneverbeme.I'mthefatgirlthatneverhadaboyfriend."Ijuststartedhangingoutthereandwatchingandjustbeingtheeyesuntilonedaymyfriendjusthadliterallydraggedmeintothesessionroom.Idon'trememberthesession,Ijustrememberafterwardsshewaslike,"OhmyGod,howdidyouknowhowtosaythatanddothat?I'vebeendoingthisforayearandIdidn'tknowhowtodothat."Iwasjust


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like,"Idon'tknow."Thewomanwhoownedtheplacewaslike,"Workforme,"andIwasincollege.Iwas,"God,Icouldpayforschool."IstartedcominghomeeveryweekendsandpracticingandplayingandpayingforschoolandafteraboutayearwhenIstartedtogetalittleconfidence,Iwaslike,"Ireallythinkthisissomethingforme."

Probablyalsobecauseitchangedmyperspectiveaboutmyselfcompletely.HereIwasingrainedinmethattherewassomethingreallywrongwithme.Mywholelifeitwasalwaystheyou'dbeprettyifyoulostweightoryou'dbemuchmoreattractiveif,if,if,andboysdidn'ttalktomeandallofasuddenthesemenwhowere30yearsmyseniorwerejustlike,"Oh."Iwaslike,"Whatthehellisthis?"ItstartedtoslowlyhelptransformtheperceptionofmyselfwhichIthinkwasverycatharticandsomethingcouldtakepeopledecadestodothatIwasabletoreallyhavedoneinthiskinky,crazy,undergroundcityenvironment.It'salwaysreallypositivetome.Itwasneveranythingnegative.

Dave: Ithelpedyou,itbroughtyoucatharsisandwhatdoesitbringforyourclients?Howmuchdoesitcost?

Natalie: Itreallydepends.IamdefinitelytheupperendofthespectrumandIhavemyownprivatestudiowithnootheremployeesinmytownManhattan.

Dave: It'sgoingtobeveryexpensiveuphereinNewYorkcity.

Natalie: YesmysessionrangedependingonhowlongI'veknownyouandhowlongyou'replayingbetween250and400hourlyifIdon'tdrop.

Dave: Okayandthisiswithoutsex?That'snotwhatyoudo.

Natalie: Ohno,no.Absolutelynosexatall.It'salljustBDSMandfetishandroleplaytovariousdegrees.

Dave: That'saboutinNewYorkwhatyouspendonagoodmassage.

Natalie: Atherapist.

Dave: It's250bucksisamassageright?

Natalie: Yesandifyougotoashrinkyou'reeasilypayinga400anhour.

Dave: You'resome...

Natalie: Somewhererightinthemiddle.

Dave: You'realifecoachtoo.Howmuchdoyouconsiderwhatyoudopsychologicalversusphysical?

Natalie: AtthispointIwouldsayit'sagood85%psychologicalbutIhave22yearsofgettingagroupofsubsthatareprobablymoreinterestedinthepsychologicalbenefitsandthedeeperconnectionthatthiscangive.Idon'ttakeonalotofnewpeopleatthispointinmycareerandifIdo,they


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reallyhavetobeinterestedinsortoftheover-archingsenseofwhatBDSMcangiveandnotjustthephysicalaspectofitbecauseIfeelthat'sleading.Ifyoucantapintothementalaspectsofit,that'lljustkeepgivingandgivingandgiving.Ihavesomesubsnowthatareintheirmidtolate70s.

Dave: Wow.

Natalie: Whenotherthingsstarttonotworksowellandthebodycan'thandleasmuchbecauseI'vebeenseeingthemfor10upto16yearsconsistently.Thebrainisstillveryactiveandyoucancontinuegettingsuchjoyoutofthingsandthatsenseoftotalreliefandstressrelievingfromtheirmentalaspect.Mepersonally,mystyleiswaymorementalthanphysical.

Dave: Doyougetturnedonwhenyou'redoingit?

Natalie: Igetturnedonbetweenmyearsbutnotbetweenmythighs.

Dave: Okay.

Natalie: That’ssomethingpeopleask.I'malsoconstantlythinkingtheentiretime.EvenifIwasdoingsayaverysimplefootfetishsessionwheresomebody'srubbingmyfeet,whichyes,Icansay,"Ohyes,thatfeelsgood."Thatisawonderfulsensationbutmybrainismoreconcentratingonwhereisthisgoing?Wherearetheyatinthisparticularpartofthescene?Whenisittimetodosomethingelse?It'sneversomethingwhereI'mjustgoingtobesittingbackandenjoyingsexualpleasure.Doesn'treallydoitforme.

Dave: You'respendingyourenergybasicallybeinginchargeandfiguringstuffoutsotheotherpersonletsgobutyou'renotgoingtobelettinggo.

Natalie: Exactlyit'sconstantlyreadingbodylanguage,audiblesounds,checkingonthingsespeciallyduringheaviersceneswherethere’sveryrestrictivebondageorotherintenseactivitiesgoingon.I'mlookingatitnotjustfromthementalperspectivebutthenalsothephysicalperspectiveofI'mtheonecompletelyinchargeinthesituation.Theyaretrustingme1000%tomakesurethateverythinggoeswell.It'sahugeresponsibilityandsothebrainisalwaysgoingandthinking.

Dave: What'stheriskiestpartofwhatyoudo?

Natalie: Iguessthere'sacoupleofthingsthatarerisky.Oneiswhenyou'repushingheavyplayjustmakingsuretheperson'sgoingtophysicallybeokay.

Dave: Heavyplay,thisislikespankingreallyhardorwhippingorsomething?

Natalie: Well,spankingreallyhardandwhippingunlessyouaredoingsomethingyoushouldn'tlikewhippingoverthekidneyareaordoingsomewraparounds,probablygoingtobeokay.There'snotalotofdamagethatcanhappenfromthatbutI'veheardsomeprettynastyhorrorstorieswherepeoplewhoweredoingsomenippleplayandtheyhadclampsonthatwerepretty,whattheycallalligatorclampsandthewomandidn'tunderstandandtuggedonthemandliterally


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rippedoffthenipple.

Dave: Thatwouldhurt.

Natalie: Thatsortofstuffbutformepersonally,I'velovemedicalandIdoalotofheavymedicalsceneswithcathetersandsoundsandcolonicsand...

Dave: Wow,that'spretty...

Natalie: Scrotalinflationandpiercingand...Yes.I'malwayslooking,makingsurethingsaresterileandcleanandtheperson'sreactingokaytowhateveritisthatI'mdoingjustonahealthstandpoint.Alsobreathplay.Ifyoudorestrictivebreathing,hypoxicbreathing,youreallyhavetobeintunewithpersonthatyou'redoingthiswithtomakesurethatthey'regoingtobeokay.I'vehadpeoplehavepanicattacksorgetnauseoussoyoujustreallyneedtowatchtheirphysicalaspect.Theriskythingonotherlevelsis,inNewYork,technicallyBDSMisiegalbutthere'salwaysthissortofgreyarea.Ifyoulookattheletterofthelaw,there'snowell,ohyes,thisislegal.

Youreallyhavetowatchandworryandwonderwho'scomingthroughthedoorbeforeyouseethemfromthatstandpointandalsotheirmentalsoundnessbeforeyouseethemonevenifit'snotfromalegalstandpointjustlike,isthisasafeperson?Iamalonewithastrangerifyou'reseeingthemforthefirsttimeintheroomdoingallofthesethingsthataresupposedtopushsomebody'sboundaries,aretheystable,aretheygoingtoflipoutonyou?There'sacoupleofriskythingsthere.

Dave: Thatcoulddefinitelybescary.Ihadn'tquitethoughtaboutthat.Thatleadstoanotherquestionhere.Stereotypicallypeoplewouldsay...Peoplewholikethisstuffclearlythere'ssomethingdeviantaboutthemthatthere'ssomethingwrongwiththem,likethey'resick.There'ssomethingabnormal.Theysaidthesamethingaboutgaypeopleandaboutpeopleofotherminorities.There'salwaysthis,that'sagroupofotherpeoplebutwhatwe'refindingfromthisstudyItalkedaboutatthebeginningIwaslike,halfofpeoplearethesefantasizingaboutthisstuffsothere'sprobablysomethingtoit.Whatdoyousaytopeoplewhoarelike,"Okay,youneedpsychologicalhelpessentially"?

Natalie: Unfortunatelysocietydoesn'tapproveofBDSMandfetishbutifyouweretolookatsomethingsthatIbelievehaveverymasochistictendencies.Alotofotherpeoplemayquestionandneverwanttodointheirlifebutnevercastasideasthembeingoffinsomeway.YoulookatpeoplewhowanttoskydiveorjumpoutofplanesorthepeoplewhodomarathonsorultramarathonsortriathlonsortheseobstaclecourseracespunishingtheirbodiesagainandagainandagainanddoingsomewhatIwouldconsiderextraordinarilymasochisticgamesbuttheyareapplaudedforthis.It'smasculine,it'sthethingtodo,it'slikeyesandwhosaysthatthatisanymoresickordisturbedortwistedthanwhattheydecidetodotosortofgetthesameeffect,feelingofaccomplishmentandyoumadeitthroughachallengeandyou'reputtingyourbodythroughtheserigorsandyou'regettingoutofyourheadspace.

Tomeit'sjustsocietysaysX,YandZiswrongandsomedoctorslongtimeagosaid,"Wellthisisn'tthewaythatitshouldbeandweliveinaverypuritanicalcultureandourrootscomefrom


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that.IthinkifyoulookatBDSMandfetishinothercultures,eveninGermany,Europeingeneral,Canadait'sreallynotfrowneduponlikeitishereintheUS.Youjustlookattheactivitiesandlookatsomeoftheotheractivitieswedothatwegiveathumbsuptoandyoumightwanttoquestion.

Dave: AlotoftheactivitiesyoujustmentionedtherearethingsthatputpeopleonaflowstateandI'veinterviewedtheflowstateGenomeguys.I'mtheirfirstinvestorintheflowgenomeproject.IsBDSMsomethingthatputspeopleinthestateofflow?

Natalie: Ohdefinitely,withoutadoubt.Inthecommunitygenerallypeoplecallitsubspacebutyes,itcanifdoneproperly.Reallyputthepersonwho'sparticipatinginitinaseriousstateofflow.Theaftereffectscanlastdayswherethere'sfocus,there'srelaxation,there'sclarity,soIwouldseeahugeparallelbetweenthetwo.

Dave: Peoplearecomingtoyou.They'repushingtheirboundariesandweknowfromtheresearchonflowthatpushingyourboundariesputsyouinthestateofflowandwhatyou'vegotgoingonisyou'repushingdifferentboundariesthanyourabilitytorunevenfurtherinamarathonorsomethingyou'repushingyourboundaries.Whatistheboundarythey'repushing?Itseemslike...

Natalie: Foreverybody'sdifferent.Ithinkforsomepeoplerunningahalfmarathonwouldgetthemintothatstateiftheyweren'ttrainedandforotherpeoplethey'dhavetorun3marathons.Everybody'ssortoftrailpathtogettothatstateisdifferent.That'swhyit'sreallyimportanttosortofcommunicatewiththem.Forsomepeopleit'sphysical,it'slikecorporalpunishment,onespecificthing,spanking,flogging,whipping.Slowlygraduallybuildinguptakingmoreandmoreintensity,moreandmoreseverepiecesofequipmentoveraperiodoftimeuntiltheygetthere.Somepeoplecangettherereallyquicklyandagainsomepeopletakesthemquiteabitoftime,alotmorepushing.Sameforbondage,restriction,forsomepeopleit'ssimple.It'sablindfoldoragagandforothersitliterallyhastobeheadandneckimmobilization,blindfoldgags,straightjacket,bodybag,toebondagebutitcanbeanyoftheseactivitiestoreallypushthatperson.

Dave: Itsoundskindoflikeanaddiction?Becauseyoustartedoutwithjustoneandthenyouneedtwoandthenyouneedthree.Isitlikesmoking?Oristhislikeutopia,anendorphinaddiction?

Natalie: WellIdon'tknowifit'ssomuchofanaddiction.ForsomepeopleIthinkjustlikewithmarathon.It'slikeonemarathonwillalwaysbeenough.Thatwillalwaysbemorethanenoughbutforotherpeopletheydowantmarathonandit'slike,noIwanttotryultramarathoning.IhavepeopleI'vebeingseeingforliterally15yearsandthey're...Whatwouldgetthemintoflowisstillthesameasitwasabout15yearsago.Thentherearethemore,more,morepeopleandthat'salotmorechallengingbecausesometimesIneedtoringitinandbelike,nothereisn'tmore,more,more.Thishasto...Youhavetolearntosortofadjustyourexpectationstowhatwehaverightherebecauseit'snotreallyhealthytokeepexpectingandalwayswantingbiggerandbetterandmore.

It'snotpossiblebutthentherearethoseselfexperimenterswhodoliketotryalittlebitofeverything.That'salwaysfunsoforacoupleofyearsmaybeit'sonethingandthentheyneedto


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trysomethingelse,godownadifferentpathandbeingreallyselfawarehelpsthemsortofseeokay,thisisn'tgivingmewhatIreallyneededtogivemeanymore.IwouldliketotryX,YandZ.

Dave: Doyoueverhaveclientswhotriedallofthethingsthattheywantedtotryandthey'relike,"OhIgotthatoutofmysystem.I'mdone.Idon'tlikeBDSManymore."

Natalie: Usuallyit'snot,“Idon'tlikeBDSManymore.”It'susuallylikeinsteadofcomingforasessionorpracticingBDSMeveryweekoreverymonthforacoupleofyears,itmaybeaonceayearthingortwiceayearthing.Whereasit'snolongernecessarytodoitonaconsistentbasis.

Dave: Aretheyreallyjustworkingthrougholdtraumastheyhave?Justkindofreexperiencingtheminasafeplace?

Natalie: Some,yes.Ofcourse.Ireallydobelievethatthatis...Someinaverypositiveway.SomethingtraumatichappenstoyouX,YandZ.You'retakingit,you'reowningityourselfandthenyou'resexualizingitandmakingitthispositivething.Itisdefinitelyaformoftherapyifyou'reworkingthroughsomethinglikethatbutforotherpeople...Oneofmysubsisalwayslike,"Idon'tknow.Iwouldjustwayrathergetspankedthangetamassage."Itjusthitscertainpartsinthebrainthataremoresatisfyingandpleasurablethanthingsthatpeoplewithtraditionallyseeaspositivelyaffectingtheirmentalstateandphysicalwellbeing.

Dave: I'vedonethis,as40YearsofZen.isinveryadvanced,intensiveneurofeedbacktrainingprogramwithclients.SomeofwhomhaveBDSMinclinationsandpeoplegetverypersonalduringthesekindofthings.It'skindoftherapeuticbutwehaveaprocessthatgoesthroughandremovestraumas.It'sveryinterestingbecauseI'mhearinganaloguestowhatyoudo.Whatwedoisweputalltheelectrodesonyourhead,weshowyouhowtogointoaverydeepalphastatewhichisoneofthemostreliablewaystoputyourselfinanalphastateistohaveasexualfantasy.

Natalie: Interesting.Ididnotknowthat.

Dave: Yes,ifyou'restuckintheneurofeedbackpodandwehavethis...thislookslikeXavier'sSchoolfortheGifted,thefacilitywherewedothis.You'reinthismansionandyou'reinafiberglasspodandyou'vegotallthesespeakersandheadphonesandthethingsandthey'relike,"Ican'tmakemybraindowhatIwantittodo."You'relike,thinkaboutwhateverturnsyouownthemostandforyoursetofclientsitwouldbeprobablygettingtieduporwhatever,forsomeoneelseitmaybe,thisismywifeormyhusband.Butthenyoucanseethebrainwavesarelike,dundundundun,leadherbackinthezone.

It'sawayofgettingunstuck.Whatwedointhatprogramisweshowyouwhatyourinhibitionsandnegativethoughtsactuallyarebecausethere'saliedetector.Youcan'thidefromyourinternaldialoguewithaliedetectortellingyou,no,no,no,buttheninordertoundothat,inordertoreleaseyourselffromthat,weactuallyhaveyougobackandreexperiencethepsychologicalpain,thephysicalsensationofthepainthatcausedyourtraumaandoftentimesIalwaysbelievedinfifthgradeandIrememberwhatitfeltlikewhentheypushedmedownthestairsanditcreatesphysicalthingsinthebody.Theemotionsarestucksomewhere.


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Whatyoudoisyoureexperiencewhateveryoufeltatthattimeinlifebutthenyoureexperienceitasyouarenowthenyouraiseyouralphabrainwaveswhichhastheeffectofbasicallyun-writingtheruleyournervoussystemsoyoucanletgo.WhatI'mhearingyousayhereisthatsomeonecomesin,iftheydidhavesometraumaanditsoundslikealotofthestuffyou'redoingisbirthrelated.Likeyou'resquishedandit'sstickyandyoucan'tmoveandyou'recomingout.BythewayIwasbornwithacordwrappedaroundmynecksoIhadlotsofbirthtrauma.IhaveprocessedallthatstuffsoIdon'tcarrythatwithmethewayIusedto.

WhatIcouldseeherehappeningisjustsomeonegoesin,youputtheminaplaceviaphysicalsensationthattriggerswhateverisstalkingthemandthennowthey'reexperiencingfromaplacewheretheyknowthey'resafebecausetheycouldalwayscallasafewordordowhatever.Tosay,Ineedtostophere.Nowweexperienceasenseofcontrolwhereasthefirsttimethefeltliketheydidn'thavecontrolandthentheyfeelbetterforawhileafterwards.Isthat...?

Natalie: Yes,Iknowthat'svery,verysimilartowhatIdo.Ididn'tunderstandexactlywhathappenedwiththeneurofeedbackbutit'sstrikinglysimilarscarilysoactually.

Dave: Yes,ifyouwanttofeelwhataveryhighultrabrainwavesay,itlookslikehaveanorgasm.Whentheylookatyourbrain,anorgasmthat'swhathappens.Youdon'tactuallyhavetohaveanorgasmyouseebeturnedonandyouralphabrainwavesgoup.Youareabsolutelyputtingpeopleinanalphabrainstatewhenyoudothatandprobablyafateofbrainstatetooifthey'rehallucinatingandsensordeprivationliketheflowtank.

Natalie: Ohyes,definitely.Theywillrememberthingsthatdidn'tactuallyhappenwhenwereviewthesession.

Dave: Wow.

Natalie: Becausetheirbrainisliterallyseeingthingsthataren'tthereorhearingthingsthataren'tthere.It'sreallyinteresting.Tosortofreviewafterwards.

Dave: Okay.They'rere-seeingthedangerinsteadwhichisasamethingthatyougetfromprooffloatinginacenturytank.Thepeopleexperiencestuffthatdidn'thappenbecausethebrain'slike,whatdoIdo?Ididn'thaveenoughinput.Inyourcasebecauseyou'vegottenblindfoldedorwhatever.Therearesomereallyweirddeepparallelstobiohacking.Bythewayifsomebodygetsthereinanalphastateorathetastate,analphastateisusuallyagoodstateandathetastateisifit'sinacontrolledthetastatewhereyou'redaydreamingandyou'reexperiencinggoodthingswhenyouwanttodoit,it'salsoaverypowerfulthing.You'rehelpingpeoplegetintoalteredstatesthatthenletsthemprocessstuff.

Natalie: Ontheothersidethere'salsotheoppositeofjustbeingverypresentwhichIthinkpeopletodayarehardlyevertrulypresent.Whenyouwalkthroughthedoor,thecellphonesgetshutoff,thereisnotexting,there'snoemailing,there'snoneofthat.Justthebreakfromallofthatinanenvironmentwhereyoumustfocus100%ofyourenergyonwhat'sgoingondirectlyinfrontofyouwithzerodistractionandI'mtheretoreallymakesurethatthatfocusiskeptfortheentiretime,anhour,twohoursisverypowerful.Toreallyjustknowthatyoureallycan'tbedistracted


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byanythingelsethat'sgoingoninyourbrainorinlife.Onceyouwalkthroughthatdoorit's...

Dave: It'safocusexerciseforpeoplethen.

Natalie: Yes.

Dave: ItremindsmeofmybuddyManeeshSethi.ManeeshrunsPavlokacompanythathasawristbandthat'llshockyouifyoumisbehave.YoucaneitherhaveyourfriendsonFacebookshockyou.Bythewayyou'dprobablylikethis.Idon'tknowwhereyouputthislittlesockandbraceletbutI'mactuallyaninvestorinPavlok

Natalie: OhIhavetolookintothis.

Dave: Yes,I'llintroduceyouifyouwantbutManeeshgotsortoffamous.He'sveryADHDandhehiredawomanonCraig'slisttocomeandslaphiminthefaceeverytimeheuseFacebooksohecangetworkdone.Ithelpedhimfocusandthatendedupbecomingthegenesisforhiswristbandandtheideathereiswhenhedoessomethingthathedoesn'tlike,heliterallyshockshimselfsohisnervoussystemwillbehave.He'shadpeoplequitsmokinganddonealltheseotherthings.ThenameevenPavlokisPavlovandLok.Hewantedthebracelettolockonsoyoucouldn'ttakeitoffandsootherpeoplecouldshockyouifyoudidn'tgotothegymwhenyousaidyouwould.Ithinkhe'smoreofthebusinessmodelofitfromtherebutitkindofhasafewshadesofwhatyou'retalkingabout.

Natalie: Ohdefinitely.Itreallydoes.Ihavealotofmysubswhohave,it'ssortofthey'reundercontracttogettothegymandeatcertainwayorhavetheirweighinsandthere'sdefinitelyrepercussionsifthoseguidelinesaren'tfollowed.

Dave: Whatdoesundercontractmean?Asawayoflosingweightwhoknows?Explainit.

Natalie: Againthisisparticulartopeoplewhothriveunderthatsortofhardrule.Somepeopletheycandoabootcampstyleworkoutandhavingsomebodyyellontheirfaceandbereallyaggressiveandsortofdebasethemgetsthemmotivatedwhereasotherpeoplewillturnaroundandwalkoutthedoor.Youneedtoknowwhoyou'redealingwithwhenyoudosomethinglikethisandwhoneedswhatsortofinteractionwhichwouldbebeneficial.Forafewofmysubswhoareveryseriousaboutimprovingtheirlifeandhealth,especiallysinceifIhadknownsomebody5years,7years,10years,Itellthemthisislongterm.Thisrelationshipisn'tgoinganywhere.

Youneedtobethebestyouthatyoucanbeinordertopleaseme.They'rereallyworkingveryhardtobetterthemselvesbecauseit'llmakemehappy.Tofacilitatethisiftheyneedtoloseweight,they'reonhighbloodpressuremedicationthey'reon.ThetraditionalAmericandietandtheysitbehindadeskforwork,Godknowshowmanyhoursadayanddon'treallygetanyactivity.Theysortofare,okay,youwanttocontinuethisrelationship,you'regoingtosignthecontract.Icomeupwiththeparametersofweeklyweighinsandthey'regoingtostaybetweenthis5poundrangeandmakesuretheydoXYZtoexerciseandtakeavacationandwhateveritis.LiterallyIhaveweeklycheckinstomakesurethattheyaredoingwhatthey'resupposedtodo.


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Dave: Whatwouldhappenifsomeonedidn'tmakeaweighinoratesomethingtheyweren'tsupposed

toeat?Whatdoyoudo?

Natalie: It'sinteresting.Againeverybodyisdifferent.Youwouldthinkthatokay,you'regoingtogetpunishedbutwait,youliketobepunished.Thatdoesn'treallyworksooftentimestheirpunishmentistheydon'tgettocomeinandseeme.

Dave: Ohwowyoubanishthem?

Natalie: It'slike,okay,youdidn'tdowhatyouweresupposedtodo.Youdon'tgettocomeinandseemeandsoyouhaveanotherchancetoprovetomethatyou'regoingtofallthroughwhatyou'resupposedtodo.It'ssortofliketheworstpunishment.Thereareotherlesserones.Somebody'slike,"Ireallyhatemynipplestobetouchedorplayedwith,"soit'ssortofmildandfractionwillbelike,"Allright,youdidn'tdowhatyouweresupposedtodo.I'mgoingtospendanhourjustcompletelytorturingyournipplesbecausewebothknowthatyoureallytrulydon'tlikeit."

Dave: Youfindsomethingtheydon'tlike.Ifyoucomparewhatyoudowithanormallifecoachwhichis,yesyoushouldreallytrytoholdyourselfaccountable.You'relike,ifyoudont'doit,I'mbasicallygoingtomakeyournippleshurtforaweek.

Natalie: Yes,I'mholdingthemaccountable.

Dave: That'ssoundslikekindofascarycoachbutIcanseehowthatwouldbemotivating.

Natalie: Again,everybodyisdifferentandtheramificationsaredifferentforeverybodybutitissomebodythatyouhavetocheckinwith.BythepointI'mmakingacontractwithsomeone,wealreadyhaveaveryestablishedrelationship.Morethananythingtheideaofdisappointingsomebodythattheytrustandlookuptoisprobablythey'rethebiggestaccountability.BecauseI'llbelike,"Wellwhy?Whydoyouhavebeerandpizza?It'slikeyouknowyou'renotsupposedtohavegluten.Whatareyoudoing?"They'relike,"IknewIwasat,Iwasthis,Iwasthat."Theyknowthattheyshouldn'thavedoneit.Theydon'thavetotellyou,theycouldliebuttheyliterallysay,"Imadeapoorchoice.Ijustwanttoletyouknow."ThenIsortofgothroughthewholeyourbetterchoices,etcetera,etcetera,butyes,accountability.

Dave: IruntheBulletproofCoachTrainingProgramwhichisacertificationprogramallright.Iactuallycan'tsayI'verunit,DrMarkrunsitbutIhelpedtodesignitandI'mpartofthetrainingcurriculumandit'sbasedonmyworkandweco-designedit.Abigpartofthatforcoachesisholdingsomeoneaccountable.Theyareweeklycheckinsbutthey'relike,"Didyoudoit?"IfnotwellIguessthereisn'tanyconsequenceofnotdoingitexceptyoujusthavetotellyourcoachyes,IwasbusythisweeksoIdidn'tdowhatIsaidIwasgoingtodo.Nutritionally,businesswiseoranythingelse,youjustIguesscarryabiggerstickthantheaverageexecutivecoachorlifecoach?

Natalie: Ido.I'mabletodefinitelypushtheiraccountabilityalittlebitfurtherbygivingthemsomereallynastypunishmentsiftheydon'tfollowthrough.Yes,soit'salotmorefun.


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Dave: Icanimagine.WhatI'velearnedthroughdoingneurofeedbackinthis4yearsisanything,10

weeksofmylifejustlikewithaliedetector,there'sego.There'saprocessthatrunsinsideofyouthatsomethingismakingthedecisiontoeattheglutenortonotdowhatyousaidyouweregoingtodo.Eitherit'syouorit'sanotherprocessinsideofyou.Idon'tknowhowmanytimeswhenIwasobese,I'mlike,"I'mnotgoingtoeatthecookie."Thenbytheendofthemeetingwherethere'saplateofcookiesIeatthecookie.I'mlike,"Damnit.I'msoweak,"butattheendoftheday,myownunderstandingofmyownconsciousnessnowisthatactuallythere'sjustanotherconsciousnessinsidemybodythat'sworkinginmybody’sbestinterestnotwhatIwant.It'stheanimalsideofthings.Itsoundslike,whatyou'redoingthere,ifyoutellsomeoneyou'reinchargeandyou'redeciding,you'retakingthatpartofthem.

Natalie: Awayfromthem.

Dave: You'retakingitawaysoit'snotinthedecisionloopsoitdoesn'tintervene.Areyouabletosievepeople,quitsmokingorpeoplesubreallyhardhabitsusingthesetechniques

Natalie: Ihaven'thadanybodywhowanttoquitesmokingasfarasbutonepersonbutIdidn'tknowthemverywell.Forme,Itoldthem,"Tobehonest,IcouldtrybutIdon'tthinkthatthisisgoingtowork.Wedon'thaveenoughofavestedinterestineachotherforyoutoreallylistentome,"basically.Forotherpeopleyes.Igotsomebodytolose100pounds.

Dave: That'sprettylegit.Howdidyoudothat?Iwanttoheartheotherexhibit.Howdoyougetsomebodytolose100poundsbyspankingthem?

Natalie: Thereisacoupleofpeoplewho'velostmorethan50.

Dave: Wow.

Natalie: Yes,I'msoproudofthem,it'sabsolutelyamazing.Again,accountabilityisalargepartofit.Theydon'twanttodisappointme.That'sanotherreallyhugeaspecttothisbecausewealreadyhavearelationshipandtheydon'twanttocomeinandbedisappointed.Thenthere'salwaysthefearof,ifI'mdisappointingandI'mnotlivinguptowhatIsaidI'mgoingtodoI'mnotgoingtogettoparticipateinthisactivityandhavethisrelationshipanymore.Makeitveryclearthatifthey'renotseriousthenI'mjustnotgoingtoseethem.I'mnotgoingtoinvestmytimeandenergyintothisrelationshipunlessyoucometomewiththesameamountthatI'mgoingtobringbecauseI'malwaysgoingtobring100%soIexpectthesameoutofmysubs.Thatreally,reallydrivesthembecausetheyknowIneverphoneitin.

IfI'mpreparingandI'mplanningandI'mputtingthingstogetherandthenbeingveryparticulartotheirneedsorinterests,theyneedtosortofgivemethesameinreturn.Asfarasthe100poundsitwasveryinterestingbeing240poundsatonepointmyself,100poundsmorethanIweighnowIcompletelyunderstandwhatit'sliketobeonthatsideofthings.Ifsomeonecomestomeandthey'reheavyoroverweight,I'malmostblindtoit.PeoplebringuptheneedtoloseweightorthisorthatbutIdon'tseepeopleinthatwayjustbecauseIthinkIhaddifferentperceptionsvisuallyasmyselfandotherpeoplesothatdoesn'tcomeintoplay.I'llneverforceit


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butiftheycometomeandsay,"HeyIreallywanttoloseweight.Iknowyouhavelostalotofweight.Canwesortofworkonthis.WecomeupwithaplanthatIthinkcouldworkforthemgivenalloftheirlittletriggersthatIknowabouttheparticularperson.

Thepersonwholostthe100pounds,wehadtraveledforasessionandtheywerehavingareallyhardtimegettingaround.Theycouldn'tevencomeclosetokeepingupandtheysawIkepthavingtosloweverythingIdiddownandtheirlackofenergyandabilitiesreallyhinderedthetripthatwewereonandthatpromptedthemtostarttoloseweightandaskmeallsortsofhealthadvicerightaway.Itwasn'tlikeacontractsituationoraweeklyweighinsituation.Itwasthattheysawhowtheirweightreallyimpactedbeingaroundandphysical.Thenaftermaybethefirst40poundsplanninganothertripthatpersonreallywantedtogoanddoaphysicalactivitythattheyhadn'tdoneinmanymanymanymanymanyyears.

Iwasreally,couldn'tbelieveintheirphysicalconditiontheycoulddo.Isaid,"Ifyouthinkyoucanphysicallyhandleit,I'llgoonthattripwithyou."WhenIsawthem2monthslatertheyhaddroppedIdon'tknow,like20pounds.ThenIwaslike,"Perfect."Iwaslike,"Let'sstartplanningthetrip."InplanningforthistripeverytimeI'dseethem20pounds,20pounds,20poundsandthentheysaidtomewhichiswhatIsuspectedisthatIdidn'twanttogotoabeachareaandwalkaroundwithyoulookingthewaythatIusedtolookbecauseIwouldhaveembarrassedyou.

Dave: Wow.

Natalie: Talkaboutpowerful.

Dave: Thatispowerful.

Natalie: Thatreallyalmostbringstearstomyeyestojustthink,justtherelationshipthatwehadwouldmakethemdosomethinglikelose100poundsaftertryingandstrugglingforsolong.DidIknowthatthatlittletrickwasgoingtocausethiseffect?AbsolutelynotbutwhenonceIsawwhatitwasdoing,ItotallypickeduponthatandthenstartedhavingallthethingsthatIcoulddoputtinginplacetomakesurethattheywouldcontinuedownthatpath.

Dave: Whatotherbigbehaviorchangeshaveyouseeninclients?

Natalie: Definitelygettingmorephysicallyactive.Idealwithalotofpeoplewhohaveveryhighstressjobs,lawyers,financeandtheyarejuststandingatadesk,sittingunfortunatelyatadeskforsolongsogettingpeopletobephysicallyactive.Literallyforcingthemtogotoyogawithme,gorockclimbingwithme,Iliterallymakeitpartofoursession.They'reprobablywearingpantiesorotherthingsonunderneathwhichmakesitalittleinteresting.Rockclimbingandchastitythat'sfunbutyes,definitelytakethatandstarttophysicallybringthemwithme.ThenagainwiththewholeIdon'twanttodisappointyou,theystarttodoitontheirown.Thatwaythenexttimewedoitthey'rebetteratwhattheydo.Itstartstoincorporatethem,startsgettingincorporatedintotheirroutine.I'veturnedmanymanypeopleontoyogabecauseIthinkthatespeciallyformeninhighstressjobs,justsitting,breathingandstretchingalittlebitisoneofthebestthings.


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Peoplewhoaremoreintobeingphysicallyfit,goingforhikesorrockclimbingthingsofthatnature.That'sbeenhuge.Thendietchange.ReallygettingridofthestandardAmericandietandgivingthemalotofinformationandresourcesaboutBulletproofDietandPaleoandKetoseemsortofwhatcanfitintotheirlifeandimpartingallofthethingsI'velearnedtoexperimentingwithmyselfonthat.SinceI'veknownthemforsolong,they'veseenthechangesinme.TheyhaveseenwhenIwasvegetarian,vegan,endurance,compulsiveexercisingtosortofthelifestylethatIhavenowandthey'relike,"Youlook5yearsyoungernowthanyoudid.Whatareyoudoing?"Iwaslike,"Ohifyouwanttoknow..."

Dave: You'reinketosisnowright?YouuseBulletproofcoffeeIthink?You'reveryfaithful.

Natalie: YesIsuredo,everymorningforthepastprobablyalmost3yearsnow.

Dave: Ohwow,okay.You'reaketogenicdominatrixwhichiscool.

Natalie: Iam.Igoinandout.

Dave: Thankyou.I'mahugefanofgoinginandoutaswellespeciallyforwomenit'smaybeprofitable.

Natalie: Yes.Idodousuallyabouttwo,twoandahalfmonthsofstrictketorightbeforeaphotoshootbecause.ButthenafterthatthelasttimeIwentforalongstretchmorethanthreemonths,Ididhaveissues.Igotothedoctorevery3monthsformybloodworkandthyroiddroppedandmyhormonesgotalloffbalance,myhairstartedfallingoutagainandmyamenorrhoeacamebacksoIwaslike,okay,formepersonallybeinginstrictketosiseverydayformorethan2months,it'snotgoodformebutgoinginandoutforsureespeciallyforthecognitivebenefits.MygrandmotherpassedawaywithAlzheimer'sandIhavethegenesoI'mlike,thisissomethingIshoulddo.

Dave: Yesandthequestionofdoyouwanttodoiteveryweek,everymonth,aslongasyou'reinitsomeofthetimeorinmycasewhenworkingwithwomenespeciallyjusthavingsomeketonespresentseemstobereallyimportant.Evenifyou'renotfullblowninketosis,ifyou'reusingbrainoctaneyoucangetenoughketonesthatyou'vegotthebrainbenefitsevenifyoudoyousomecarbswhichmaybehelpedwithyourmonthlyhormonefluctuations.It'sveryindividualized.

Natalie: Yes,i'musuallyanywherebetween0.5and1.4.

Dave: Beautiful.

Natalie: IfIcouldget0.8I'mreallyhappy.I'mlike,allrightthat'sgood,that'sallIneed.Justrightthere.

Dave: Whatweweretalkingaboutforlistenersisjustanumberyougetwhenyoustickyourfingerwithaketonemonitor.I'mhappywitha0.5,anythingabove0.5iscoolbut0.5iswherethehungerchangeshappenandwherecognitivebenefitskickinandanythingabovethat,I'mnotdealingwithcancerorAlzheimer'sorneurodegenerationatleastnotanymore.IprobablywasdealingwithneurodegenerationwhenIwasinmy20sbutIthinktheketonenumberforeach


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personvariesdramaticallybasedonwhotheyare.Let'ssee,there'sacouplemorequestionsIhaveforyou.I'mjustlookingthroughallthestuffthatwe'vetalkedaboutsofar.Oneofthemis,youmentionedsluttraining.Whatissluttraining?

Natalie: Yes.Sluttrainingisactuallyoneofmyfavoritethingstodo.Itplaysintoalotofrolereversal.Basicallyit'stakingthisguywho'sprobablyprettyguysguykindofguy,eitherWallStreetorlawyeroraconstructionworkerandtakingtheroleandreversingit.Onewenevercallmensluts.That'satermthat'sonlyusedforwomenandprettyderogatoryone.It'sfuntosortoftakewhateversexualarousalthatthey'refeelingandsortofcallhimaslutjustbecauseit'ssomethingthat'scountercultureorsomethingyou'resupposedtodo.Thenemasculatethemwithapairofpanties,stockingsandmakethemdosortoffemininethings.

Alotofmyclientsareveryintothewholeimageryofafemalewithastraponit.It'safetish,soputtingtheminapositionwhereI'mliterallywearingthegenitalsoftheguyandtheyareforcedintothispositionofbeingmorelikeawoman,amaid,crawlaround,nailspainted,lipstick,itcouldgoprettyfartofulltransformation.Evenifit'sjustembracingsortoftheirsexualityinanonmasculineway,Ithinkmenapproachsexinacertainwayandtheyalwayshavetobetheoneinchargeandit'sallabouttheorgasmbutwhenyousortofflipitonthemandmakethemmoanandtouchtheirownbodyandsortofgetintouchwiththatmorefemininesideofthemselves,it'saninterestingmindflip.Justtoseewhatitdoestothemandthesortofcreativitythattheycomeupwithandthelettinggoofpreconceivednotionsandboundariesandjustsortofdivingintothisplace.

Ifyouwereoutsidelookingandyouwouldthinkitwasridiculous.Here'sasixfootfourguywho'sburlywithabeardandabraandpantiesrollingaroundonthefloorortouchinghimselfandmoaninglikeagirl.Theimageryisliterally...

Dave: Itdoessoundalittleridiculous.

Natalie: Honestlyiftheoutsiderlookinginwouldbelike,"Thisisjuststupid,"butwhenyou'reinthemomentandyou'resortofbeingtoldtodothesethingsthatarereallychallengingtodo.Challengingyourmasculinity,challengingwhoyouareasaperson,doingallthesefemininethingsthatyou'renotsupposedtodo.You'rebreakingalloftheseboundariesandnotionsofwhoyouareasapersonandsortofputtingyourselfinthatsituationisverychallengingbutIalsothinkprettycatharticforalotofguys.Gettingthemtojustbeintunewiththeiremotionsandtheirintuition.

Ihadonepersonsayafteracoupleofyearswedidlotsofsluttraining,he'slike,"Thiswholething,IhavetothankyouforthehugeboostinthecareerthatIhavehadbecauseI'veliterallybeenabletochangethewaythatIthinkwhenIapproachthingsnowandit'snolongerfromthesortofnarrowfocusedmasculine,thisisthewaythejobissupposedtobedonekindofwayandIreallystartedthinkingoutsideoftheboxandgoinginareasotherpeoplewerescaredtogo."Hewaslike,"Mybusinesshasjustshotthroughtheroof,"andhewaslike,"Ihaveyoutothankforit,"mysissytraining.

Dave: Ississytrainingthesameasslattraining?


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Natalie: Mm-hmm(affirmative)

Dave: It'sthesamething?

Natalie: Yesit'sinterchangeable.ThesearewordsthatifyoulookthemupinUrbanDictionaryor

whateverwillhavealotofdefinitionsbutit'sbasicallyrolereversalwithelementsoffeminizationusuallyclothingthrownintoplay.

Dave: Gotit.Okay.Thisisbasicallymakingpeopleormeninpositionsofmasculineenergyorpositionsofpowervisuallyfacemoreofafemininesideofthings?

Natalie: YesandtheterminologyalsoatleastinthestateofNewYork,anysortofplaywithastraponisnotlegal.

Dave: Isitwearingit'snotlegalorusingit'snotlegal?

Natalie: Nowearingit'sfinebutanyinsertionwherethereisanexchangeofmoney.IfyoulookatthelawIbelievethetechnicallawforprostitutionisifthereissexualgratificationthatispaidforit'sprostitution.It'sveryloose.Ifyougetoffongettingarootcanalandyoupayforit,technicallythatcanbeconsideredprostitution.Youhavetobesortofverycreativewithhowyoucomeupwiththingsbecauseyouneverwanttogetintroublefordoingsomethingthatyou'renotsupposedtodo.Onalegalstandpoint,thewholesissysluttraininggenerallyalsoimpliestherecouldbestraponworshiporpenetrationwithittosomedegree.

Dave: Okay,gotit.Youdefinitelytakeitallthewaythen.?

Natalie: Mm-hmm(affirmative)

Dave: Doyoufindthatthere'sakindofguywho'sastereotypicalclient?Youalwaysherestuffaboutpeoplewhoareinthepositionofpowerallthetime,thatthey'retheoneswhoaremostlikelytobegoingtoadominatrix.Isthatactuallytrueorisitjustlikeamismatch?

Natalie: 80%ofthetimeitisreallytrueatleastforme.AlsothetypeofclientandsubthatIsee,they'renotlifestylesubmissive.Theydon'tlive247asasubmissive.Ilikeitmuchbetterwhenthey'reinarelationshiporhaveacareerandthisisjustpartoftheirpersonalitybecauseIcan'tdedicateasmuchtimeaswouldbeneededasiftheywantedtodothisallthetime.ThepersoncomingtomegenerallyisstereotypeApersonality,alwaysincharge,alwaysincontrol,headofhousehold,hasapositionofpoweratjob,alotofresponsibility.Thatresponsibilitycouldvary,they'renotalwaysmakingtonnesofmoney,itcouldjustbehighstress,lotsofpeoplebeneaththemthatthey'remanaging,whateveritis.

Icouldsayagood80%,85%areyourtotaltypeA,totalincontrol,alwaysinchargeperson.Theywanttonotbeincontrolinaverycontrolledwaybecauseobviouslyalltheparametersaresetupbeforehand.It'sthishugereliefandthey'relike,"Ohwow,IgettolistentosomebodyelseforachangeandIactuallytrustthisperson.It'sokaytoletgoofbeingincontrolbecauseIhave


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confidenceinthispersonandlisteningtothem.AlotofpeoplewhoarethattypeA,theydon'tletgoofthatcontrolbecausetheydon'tfeelthatthere'sanybodyaroundthemwhowoulddothejobasgoodastheywoulddoorhavetheabilitiesthattheydo.IfIcancomeacrossinawaythattheyunderstandthatIcanhandlebeinginchargeofthem,it'sreallyexcitedtobelike,ohmyGod.Igettojusttotallyletgo.

Dave: Yousendtheseguysbacktoworkinpadlocksandpantiesandthingslikethat?

Natalie: IoftentimethinkwhenI'msittingonacrowdedsubwaytrain,howmanypeoplehaveagarterbelton,howmanypeopleareinchastity,who'swearingnippleclamps,whohasaremotecontrolledvibratingbuttpluginsideothem?

Dave: Doyouthinkthattherearepeopleoneverysubwaycardoingthat?

Natalie: Idon'tknowifit'severysubwaycarbutmaybethewholetrain.Idefinitely...

Dave: There'sdefinitelypeoplelikethatsojuststartlookingaroundforpantylinesonyourfavoriteexecutiveand...Actuallydon'tdothat.Youprobablydon'twanttoknow.

Natalie: Wassofun.IwenttoagreatrestauranthereinNewYorkcityLeBernardin,oneofmyfavoriterestaurantsandthinkthatwaskindofcooloutbutliterallyunderhissuitehehadafulllatexjumper.Hewaswearinglatexfromheretohismidthigh.

Dave: Ohwow.

Natalie: Completelycoveredinlatex,achastitydevicehehadanelectricremotecontrolelectricplug.Itwasinsertedanallyanditwaslikeaastem.Ihavetheremoteonmysideofthetableandthelittleboxisinhissuitpocketthat'sgoingtothejacket.

Dave: OhmyGod.

Natalie: He'sjustabouttotakeasipofwineandzap.

Dave: Wereyoujustsittingthereinarestaurantinpublicandnoonehasanyidea?MyGod.

Natalie: Noclue,andthebestiswhenitcouldbesortofvisiblebondagebutnoonehasaclue.Ihaveoneoftheneckbracesthatyouwearfortraumawhentheyputyouonaboardsoyoutakesomeoneoutandyouputtheminsomethinglikethatandthey'resittingthereandtheycan'tmove.You'relike,"Goodluckeating."Peoplejustthinkthey'rehurt.

Dave: OhmyGod.Iseeyou'retotallyjusttakingthemoutthere.Ineverwouldhaveimaginedthat.

Natalie: Ohyes,mydominationisdefinitely...Iliketobringitbeyondtheroomifpossibleespeciallywhenyouknowsomebody.SomeofmysessionsareofacourseofacoupleofdaysandwedodooutingstovariousplaceslikeIsaid,rockclimbinginpanties,outtodinnerwithallsortsofthingsgoingon,nippleclamps,brasunderyourcloths.


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Dave: Don'tpeopleseeabraundercloths?Whenpeopleareintherestaurantiftheysawthat,feel

uncomfortableaboutit?

Natalie: ThewonderfulthingaboutlivinginNewYorkisunlessyouareonfire,Idon'tthinkanybody'sgoingtonoticeanything.

Dave: Fairplay.

Natalie: AlsoI'mpersonallytakingitonasaprojectofminetobringalittlebitofgritandfunbacktothecitybecauseIthinkthecity'sbecomewaytoosanitized.WheneverIgetthechancetodosomethinginpublicthatmaybeturnsfewheadslikewalkingdownthestreethandcuffedtosomebody,Ithinkit'sagoodthingfromManhattan.

Dave: You'refinetopushthebuttons.Apparentlythat'slikeyourdayjobispushingpeople'sbuttonssoyou'rehappytodoit.

Natalie: I'mfinewithtotallydiscreet,that'sperfectandIcandothatvery,verywellespeciallyifbra,panties,stockings,underasuit,noone'sgoingtonoticethat.There'sabsolutelynoway.Ifyouhaveajacketonandaslongasit'snot...You'renotwearingatight,tightshirtyou'rewearingafittedshirt,noone'sgoingtonoticebutthepersonwearingitwillfeellikeeverybody'sgoingtonotice.

Dave: Gotit.It'sreallyamindgame.

Natalie: Yes.

Dave: Okay.Whowouldhavethought?I'mnevergoingtoridethesubwayagainthinkingthesamething.You'realsoanentrepreneur.Yourunyourbusinessfor20yearsandyou'redoingitinaveryunusualnichemarketbutyou'reonewomanoperationandyou'resortofputonthispedestalislikeanunattainablekindofthing.What'sitlikebehindthescenesactuallyrunningyourbusiness?

Natalie: Ohit'scrazy.IlovedworkingforcommercialhousesandthewomanwhoIwaswithformanyyears,Ithinkit's11yearsagonow.Iofficiallystarted11yearsagoandIalsohadacustombakingbusinessatthetimethatIwassortoflaunchingandbuildingmydungeonandstudio.Itischallenging.Thereisverylittledelegationcanbedoneinmyjob.It'ssortoflike,almosteverythingdoeshavetobedonebymewhichbecomesalotofworkandjustlikeanyotherbusiness,it'slike,Ihavetomakesuresuppliesareboughtandplaceiscleanandbillsarepaidand...

Dave: Don'tyouhavesubstodoallthatforyouforfree?

Natalie: Wellone...Thethingaboutsubs...Idohaveonewhowillhelpcleanwhenthey'reavailable.Mostofmysubstheydon'thavetimelikeme.


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Dave: They'reallCEOsorWallStreetpeople.

Natalie: TheyhavetosurviveinNewYork.

Dave: Okaygotit.

Natalie: Theydon'thavetime.It'soneofthosethingsandthefewthatdodefinitelydogiveaneffortbutthere'salsothatthing,Ihatetosayitbutunlessyoudoityourself,it'snevergoingtogetdone100%.There'sthataspectofit.

Dave: Youhavecontrolissuesaswell?Sorry.

Natalie: Idodelegatealittlebit.Itisverychallengingespeciallytheemailandcontent,it'slikeIcan'tputthatofftosomebodyelse.Thisispersonal.

Dave: IfeelthesamewayabouttheBulletproofcontent.It'shardwhenIworkwithpeople.Ihearyou.

Natalie: IdohaveoneslavewhowhenIneedmypackageshewilldefinitelymakehimselfavailableespeciallyliftsbig,heavythings,hewillcomeandcleanmystudio,hejustfixedthelightswitchthatneededtofixedforever.Hewasintherethismorning,Igavehimthekeyshewasabletofixthatsothat'sabighelpbutmypeopledon'tseetherealbusinesssideofit.It'smorechallengingdoingwhatIdo,gettingalease,doingmytaxes,it'slikethere'snolinefordominatrix.Thenyouhavetobereallycreativewithsortofwhatyoudotomakeallofthatworkaswellandthingsgowrongandyoujusthavetosortofnavigateitandfixitandmakesurethateverythingisinorderandthelightsturnedonandtheequipmentiscleanandyouhavethesuppliersthatyouneed,thenyoucangoinandhavefunandthengobackoutanddoyoursocialmediaandFacebookandemailsandbillpayingandeverythingelse.

Dave: Howmanyhoursaweekdoyouwork?

Natalie: Ithinkabetterquestionis,howmanyIdon'tandit'sprobablythesevenhoursthatIsleep.

Dave: Soyouworkalotthen?

Natalie: Ido.It'stoomuch.Thisisnot...I'mnotpromotingthisforanybodywho'stryingforbetterhealth,don'tthinkIdon'tknowthatthisisnotoptimalbutthere'salotofthingsforme.One,maintainingmyownprivatestudioplusmyownapartmentinManhattan.Myoverheadisridiculous.ThatisabigportionofthisaswellasIhavetoberealisticaboutthefutureofwhatI'mdoing.I'vehadmystudiofor11yearsandtherentisextraordinarilyhighrightnow.Myleaseiscomingupsoon.

Irealisticallydon'tknowhowmanyyearsIhaveleftdoingthisinthisformatsoI'mreallytryingtomakethemostofitinthenextcoupleofyears.IfIneedtosortofchangewhatIdotoacertaindegree,IwillhaveenoughtocovermeifIneedtotakeastepbackandsortofregroup.That'sdrivingmealotrightnowtosortofgettothatplacewhereIfeelalittlebitmorecomfortablebutIlovewhatIdotoo.Thereisthis...IfeelIputalotofpressureonmyselfto


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makesureeverythingisperfectwhichweknowitcanneverbeandIputalotoftimeandthoughtprobablywaymorethanisnecessarytowhatIdobecauseitmeansalottometomakesurewhenIstepintothatroom,Ireallyamgiving100%andmakingsurethatpersonisgoingtohavethebestsessioneverytimeevenifit'sour500thsession.

Dave: Whatpercentageofyourtimedoyouspendinsessionsversustheotherpartofrunningyourcompany?

Natalie: Thesessiontimeisverylittle.Maybe2to3hourswithaclientintheroom,aday,fivedaysaweek.Therestis...basicallyforeveryhourthatI'mintheroom,it'susuallyabout3hoursofwork.Puttingtheplantogether,gettingtheequipmentready,preppingbeforehand,cleaningupafterwards.Ingeneral,onetothreesortofratio.

Dave: You'reworkingreallyhard,youmake$400anhourbutyou'vegottwothingsinNewYorkandIcanseewhywhereyou'reworkingalotofhoursthatyou'reinaprettyexpensivemarket.

Natalie: YesandI'minMidtownsoit'sdefinitelyvery,veryexpensive.There'sthewholething.There'snosickdays,there'snopaidvacation,there'snoneofthatsortofstuff.Thatalwaysplaysintoit.Takingtimeoffisalittlechallenging.

Dave: Talktomeaboutfinancialdomination.YoumentionedthatearlierwhichIcameacrossthatasIwasresearchingforthisshow.Idon'tthinkwetalkedaboutthatearlier.Whatisfinancialdominationandcouldn'tthatbeasolutiontoallofyourproblems?

Natalie: Financialdomination,itisbasicallywheresomebodyfetishizesgivingyoumoney.Ihavenotmasteredtheskill.Therearewomenouttherewhothatistheirthing.Theyreallyareintofinancialdomination.Icouldsayit'ssomethingthatIdidn'tquiteunderstandwhenIfirststartedgettingintoitbecauseIalwaysfeltlikeIwascheatingthem.

Dave: What?

Natalie: JustasapersonandthatwasprobablymyownmisconceptionbecausetheywanttobeinthatpositionbutIobviouslyhadahangupaboutmoneyandtakingsomething.I'mfeelinglikeIwasn'tdoingsomethingforthatsomethingsoitwasneitheraspecificareathatIsortofgrewmyskillsinunfortunatelyatthispoint,I'mlike,thatwouldhavebeenabetterpathandavenueformetotakebutIhavewithafewpeoplewhoIseemoreoverSkypeorthephonethatIdodosomefinancialdominationwith.

Dave: It'sbasicallylike...I'mhavingahardtimeimaginingthat.Thisissomeonewhoactuallyjustderivespleasurefrombeinglike,"Takemymoney"?

Natalie: Prettymuch.There'sthe,you'regoingtopaymeandyou'renotworthysogositinthecornerorturnaroundandleaveorI'mgoingtodo30otherthingswhileyousitthereandwatchmeandpaymeforit.Iknowsomeothergirls,theydoalotandit'slike,okay,I'mgoingouttodinnerwithmyfriendsandyou'regoingtopayfortheentiredinnerforthe6peopleandyou'rejustgoingtolistentousonthephone.Thenthey'llmakelittlecommentsandsomehumiliating


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commentswhilethey'rehavingdinnerandyes...

Dave: You'repushingbuttonsaboutselfworthorsomethingbasically?

Natalie: Yes.Definitely.

Dave: Okay.ThatisinterestingbutIguessifyouhavesomeonewho'sconsentingasanadultandthatpushesbuttonsforthem,Idon'thaveanyproblemswithitbutitseemslikethat'dbeconvenienttohaveinNewYork.

Natalie: ItdefinitelywouldbebutIguessfrommyperspective,it'salwaysreallyimportantformetomakesuremysubleavesfeelingwaybetterwhenhewalkedthroughthedoor.UntilIhaveanestablishedrelationshipwithyou,Idon'tknowifIcouldtellrightawayunlessyouhadexperienceinfinancialdominationifthatwassortofyourthing.Iwouldalwaysbehesitanttosortofsuggestthatrightoffthebat.

Dave: Itseemsethicallyriskyforsomereason.

Natalie: Yes,frommyperspectiveitcouldbeandIthinklikeIsaid,alotofpeopletheyhavetheirskillshonedtoknowhowtonavigatethatsituationbutitwassomethingIneverreallysortoffellinto.IheardsomehorrorstoriesIthinkprobablythefirstfiveorsixyearsIwasdoingitweresortofgivingtheircreditcardorbankaccountaccessanditwentsortofhorriblywrongandthepersonchangedtheirmind.ItwaslegaltroublesandIwaslike,"IthinkI'mgoingtostepawayfromthatone."

Dave: ThatjustfeelssketchytomebutIwouldn'tjudgesomeonewhoreally,genuinelyderivepleasurefromthat.

Natalie: Yesandthereare.IknowitandI'veseenit.IjustfeelIdon'thave...That'snotoneofmytopskillsets.AfewpeopleonceIknowthem,I'llbelike,"Okay."

Dave: Gotit.

Natalie: Butifthere'sanybodyouttherewhowantstobefinanciallydominated,feelfreetocontactme.

Dave: AllrightMistressNatalie.

Natalie: I'lltakeyouon.

Dave: Now,we'recomingupontheendoftheshow.Iguesswewentlongerthananormalshowbecausewellfranklythat'sprettyfascinatingtoseeit,justtoaskabunchofthesequestionsthatI'msurealotoflistenersifthey'veeverthoughtofitandlikewhat?IwanttoaskthequestionthatI'veaskedalltheguestsontheshowwhichisthat,someonecomesheretomorrowandsays,"Iwanttokickassateverything.I'llperformbetteratlife,whatarethe3mostimportantthingsthatIshouldknow?Whatwouldyoutellthemgivenyourveryunusualjourneythroughlife?


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Natalie: Let'ssee.Iwouldsaythefirstthingwouldbe,beselfawareandifyou'renot,definitelylookinto

findingoutwhoyouareasapersonandwhatitisthatyoulikeandwhatreallymakesyoutickorwhodoyoureallywanttobebecauseIthinktoomanytimesinlifewearestuckdoingawholebunchofstuffthatwedon'treallywanttodobecauseeveryonetellsusweshouldandit'llmakeushappyandmostpeoplewindupbeingmiserable.Reallyfindingalotofselfawarenessisgoingtobethefirstthingthat'ssuperimportant.Thenhavesomesortofpracticeofbeinggratefulforthingseventhingsthatyoumightthinkyoushouldn'tbegratefulfor.Findingsomewaytoreallylookatyourlifeandbelike,wow.I'mgratefulforX,YandZ.DothatonaprettyconsistentbasisbecauseIthinkthatgetslostinlookingforme,tryingtobetterorgettingdownonyourself.Thatwouldbenumbertwo.

Numberthreewouldprobablybetomakesuretoconfrontyourfears.Challengeyourselfinsomeway.Iliketopersonallydoonethingthat'sgoingtoscarethecrapoutofmeeveryyear,likeonebig,thisisreallyscarytomeandI'mgoingtodoitanditdoesn'thavetobeabigthing.Evenifthey'resmallfears.You'dbesurprisedhowamazingitfeelstoactuallyconfrontthefearandthenyourealizethefearofthefearwaswayworsethanthefearitself,thenitcouldholdyoubackforalotinlife.Thosewouldprobablybethe3thingsthatIwouldsuggestforanybodywhowantstoreallykickassinthisworld.

Dave: That'safantasticlist.ThethingaboutconfrontingsomethingthatmakesyouafraideveryyearisnotananswerI'veheardthatoftenbutit'ssoimportantandit'ssomethingthatI'dcertainlypractice.IfIfindanythingthatmakesmeuncomfortableandImusthavesomesortofatriggeraroundthat,IguessI'lltryitandseewhatthetriggerissoIcandeepprogramthetriggers.Idon'twanttohaveunconsciousreactionstothingssopushingyourownbuttons,there'svaluetothat.

Natalie: I'veahugefearoffallingcompletelyoffthechartsandthisyear'sbigchallengeisathousandfootclimbintheFlatHoursforrockclimbing.

Dave: Nice.

Natalie: IwillbewearingmydiaperandhavinglotsoftissuesforwhenIcryandpoopmyself,it'sallgood.I'mreadyforit.

Dave: Thatactuallytakesalotofcouragetodosomethingthatreally,reallymakesyouafraid.Sothat'scool.NowMistressNatalie,wherecanpeoplefindoutmoreaboutyou?

Natalie: Mywebsiteismistressnatalie.com.Thatwouldprobablybethebestplace.Therearesomevideosup.AnotherinterviewthatIdidandsomevideosofmystudioandaplethorainformation,photosgoingbacktotheearlyyearsandtheearly2000sandsortofmystatementaboutwhatIdoandphilosophies.ThenIhavemyblogwhichisdefinitelymoregraphic.Ifyou'resqueamishthatmightnotbetheplacetostart.

Dave: Youjusttripledyourtrafficlevelswhenyousaidthat.Please,ohno,notagraphicblog,that'dbeterrible.Thenifpeoplewantedtoworkwithyoujustforlifecoachingwithoutyoutyingthem


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up,doyoudothat?

Natalie: Yes.Ido.It'sdefinitelysomethingthatIdon'tdoasmuchofjustbecauseIdon'thavethetime.

Dave: Okay,gotit.

Natalie: Obviouslyjustfromthefinancialaspectofit,itdoesn'tmakeasmuchsenseformetospendmoretimedoingthat.AlsoIreallylovetheBDSMaspectincombiningthetwo.Ifsomebodywantedtoseparatethe2,totallyupforit.Lovetodoitespeciallyifit'sonahealthnutritionselfexplorationsortoffront.Ifyouwantlifecoachingandyouareinthebusinessworldandyouwantthat,it'snotreallymyexpertisebutentrepreneurs,thatsortofstuff.

Dave: Allright.WellthankyouforbeingonBulletproofRadio.I'msuregiventhatsummertrainingaquarterandahalfmillionpeoplewillhearthisinterviewthatyoumightfindatleastoneortwoofthemwhoareprobablygoingtocomeandmeetyouinNewYork.Maybewecankeepyourstudiothrivingforawhilelonger.

Natalie: Thatwouldbegreat.

Dave: Ifyou'vesatandlistenedtoourrelativelylonginterviewtodayIhopeitwasvaluabletoyouinyourcarorifyou'rewatchingonYouTube.That'sbulletproofexec.com/youtubetofindtheYouTubechannel.Youcansubscribetothat.There'llbeatranscriptofallthisincaseyouneedtogobackandlookupwhatslattrainingactuallyisoranyoftheotherunusualthingsthatwetalkedaboutthatareprettydifferentfromwhatyouprobablyreadin50shadesofgreyifyoucouldactuallymakethroughthatbook.Onthatnote,MistressNatalie,anythingelseyou'dliketosaytotheaudiencebeforewesignoff?

Natalie: JustkeeplisteningtothisabsolutelyamazingpodcastandIhopethattherearealotofpeopleouttherewhogotsomethingbeneficialoutofit.

Dave: ThanksforbeingonBulletproofRadio.

Natalie: Thankyou.

Dave: Ifyouenjoyedtoday'sshow,youknowwhattodo.HeadonovertoiTunesandleaveareview.Oneofthemostimportantthingsyoucoulddotohelpotherpeoplefindtheshowistojustgointhereandgiveitafivestarratingifyoufeelit'sworthyoffivestars.We'reusuallynumberoneranksoniTunes.Ifyoudon'tknowwheretogoforthat,youjustgotoGoogleandBulletproofRadioiTunes.We'llcomerightup.Ittakesaboutfivesecondstoleaveareview.Wejustspentaboutanhourandahalfplusmanyhoursofpreptimecreatingtheshowforyou.Ifyoucanspend5secondstosaythanks,I'dreallyappreciateit.Justleaveareviewandtellmewhatyouthink.Iactuallyreadthereviewsallthousandplusofthefivestarreviews.I'dlovetomakeit2000.Haveanawesomeday.

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