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Transcript – Cocktails Without Regret with Ariane Resnick- #358

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Speaker1: BulletproofRadio,astateofhighperformance.

Dave: You'relisteningtoBulletproofRadiowithDaveAsprey.Today'scoolfactofthedayisthat,getthis,womentendtogetdrunkfasterthanmendo.Like,whowouldhavethought?

Theobviousreasonisthatwomenaresmallerthanmenonaverage,solesstissuetoabsorbthealcohol,sothatwouldmakesense.That'sjustadosingissue,buttheotherthingthat'sinterestingisthatwomentendtohavemorefatthanmen.There'sanobviousreasonforthat.It'scalledboobs.Theyalsohavelesswaterthanmen,so,notonlyaretheysmallerphysicallyonaverage,butthere'smorealcoholpresentinthebloodstreamjustbecausethere'slesswater,andwomenhavelessofanenzymecalledADH,oralcoholdehydrogenase,whichiswhathelpsyourbodygetthealcoholoutofthesystem.

Basically,forwomenmoreofwhattheydrinkentersthebloodstreamaspurealcohol,andthat'swhyyou'reprobablyalighterweightifyouareawoman,unlessyoudrinklike5or6daysaweek,inwhichcaseyou'reprobablynotalightweightbecauseyou'reanalcoholic.Atthatpoint,you'veupregulatedyourabilitytomakethatenzyme,butotherbadthingsarehappeningtoyoubiologically.

Beforewegetintotoday'sshow,ifyouhaven'thadachancetotryBulletproofUnfairAdvantage,youshouldgivethisstuffatry.BulletproofUnfairAdvantageisoneofthemostimportantsupplementsI'veevermade.Itcanhelpyoufeelbetterwhenyouareeithergoingtogetahangoverorafteryougotone,becauseBulletproofUnfairAdvantageisdesignedtohelpyourmitochondriaworkbetter.Mitochondriamakeenergyinyourcells.Whenyou'rehungover,you'reinflamedandyourenergyproductionisreduced,soyou'llfeelbetterwhenyoudothat.

OneofthethingsthatIdowhenIdohavealcohol,whichisn'tthatoften,tobeperfectlyhonest,but,ifIdo,Itendtochooseanalcoholthathaslessunfilteredyeastproductinit,inotherwords,I'llpickavodkaorsomethingor,ifI'mgoingtodrinkawine,whichisanunfilteredalcohol,Itendtodrinkawinethat'satleastasoldasIamorsomething,whichissomethingthatautomaticallypreventsmefromdrinkingaton,butwhatisIwilltakeavitaminCcapsuleandIwilltakeawholeampuleofUnfairAdvantage.VitaminChelpsthelivertomakeglutathioneandUnfairAdvantagehelpsmehavemoreenergy,soIfeelgoodwhenI'mdrinking,andthen,whenI'mdonedrinking,Itakeatubeorhalfatube,inotherwords,5dosesofBulletproofGlutathioneForce,whichraisesglutathione.

Whatyoucandohereisyoucanhelpyourmitochondriaperformbetterandyoucanhelpyourdetoxprocessessothingsworkreally,reallywell.Evenifyou'renotdrinkingUnfairAdvantage,whichissomethingthatItakeeverysingledaybecauseitjustmakesmehavemoreenergyinawaythat'sdifferentthancaffeineorevenBrainOctane,it'sadifferentsourceofenergy,it'sprettycool,I'dlikeyoutopayattentionrealquick.Ifyouliketoday'sepisodeasmuchasIliketoday'sepisode,and,yes,I'mputtingthisinattheend,wouldyoudomeafavor?GotoiTunesandleavesome5-starfeedback.I'mgoingtoaskyoutodothatattheendoftheshow,butjust


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startwatchingoutandjustaskyourself,like,"Isthisshowworthmytime?"andifitis,letmeknow.Justleaveareview.It'ssohelpfulformetoknowthatyou'veenjoyedit.Iappreciateit.

Allright,let'sdothis.Today'sguestisArianeResnick.She'saspecialdietchefandacertifiednutritionistwhousesorganic,farm-to-table,cleaningredientswithafocusonrestricteddiets.ShewrotetheAmazon-bestsellingTheBoneBrothMiracle.Hernewbook,andthereasonI'minterviewinghertoday,iscalledTheThinkingGirl'sGuidetoDrinking.Thus,thecoolfactoftheday.She'sabiohacker.Shewasatlastyear'sBulletproofConference,andI'vejustenjoyedgettingtoknowherandtofindthatshereallythinksinterestinglyaboutthesethings.

Ariane,whydidyouwriteabookaboutgettingdrunkforgirls?

Ariane: I'mathinkinggirl,soit'smyperspectiveondrinking.[inaudible00:04:08]abookforwomen.Myfirstbook,TheBoneBrothMiracle,themostinterestingaspecttothepeoplewhotalktomeaboutitwasthelastchapter,whichwasbonebrothcocktails.Thereare2elementsofthatthatreallycapturedpeople.Onewastheideaofusingawholefoodtomitigatesomeoftheeffectsofalcohol,andtheotheronewastheverysimplefactthatIdrink.LikeitreallyshockedpeoplethatIwouldpromotealcoholaspartofahealthylifestyle,anditshockedmethatitshockedpeoplesomuchbecauseI'mahumanandwealldothingsforenjoymentnomatterhowhealthconsciousweare,soIreallywantedtoshowpeoplethatdrinkingcanbepartofahealthylifestyleanditdoesn'thavetobewithreallybland,plaincocktails.

Thebookisabout25%mocktailsbecauseIalsowantedtoshowpeoplethat,ifyoudon'tdrink,youcanstillhaveagoodtimewithanassortmentofreallyhealth-promoting,funbeverages.

Dave: Now,yousaidyoupromotedrinkingaspartofahealthylifestyle.Didyouactuallythinkdrinkingisgoodforyou?

Ariane: Smallamountsofalcoholhaveobviouslybeenshowntohavehealth-promotingeffects.Idonotadvocatedrinkinginthecapacityofgo-out-and-get-drunk-every-nightbyanymeans.WhatIdoisworkwithwhatpeoplearedoinganyway.Peopledrink.About60%to70%ofthepopulationconsumesalcohol,so,ratherthanbeavigilantewhosays,"Youshouldn'tdothis.Thereareaspectsofitthatarebadforyou,"Iamasteadypersonwhosays,"Ifyou'regoingtodothis,whydon'tyoudoitinawaythatdoesn'tmakeyoufeelsobadandthatyouusesomeingredientsthathelppreventsomeofthosenegativeeffects?"andthatmakesalotmoresensetome.

Dave: You'refollowingaharm-reductionstrategyforalcoholandnotsayingit'sgoodforyou.

Ariane: Imean,they'veshownsmallamountsofdifferentalcoholshavehealthbenefits.

Dave: Insomestudies...

Ariane: Ifyou'regoingtodinkaglassofwineeveryothernight,youhavea20%reducedriskofstroke.Thereareaspectsofitthatarehealthful.Ithastoxins,forsure.Idon'thaveanyvantagepointof"forgetaboutallthat."WhatIsayis,"You'regoingtodoitbecausewe'rehuman,andit'sokay


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todothingsthataren't100%healthperfect,but,ifyou'regoingtodothem,dotheminawaythat'shealthier."Dotheminawaywhereyoufeelgreatafterwardsinsteadofterribleafterwards,anddothemwithfun,great,qualityfoodsthatyou'reprobablyeatinganyway.

Dave: Iagreewithyouonthatpoint.ThisisanareawhereI'veseenthealcoholindustry,particularlythewineindustry,fundstudiesandlookatwaysofsaying,"Oh,alcoholisgoodforyou.Like,we'vegotthisstudy,"andthenthere'sabout1,000PubMedstudiesthat,ifyoujustwouldGooglealcoholandcancerandlookattheminPubMed,you'llfind,okay,you'vegota20%reductioninstroke,butanincreaseincancer,soI'm,like,"Look,yes,peopledrink,right,andthey'regoingtodoit,soyoumightaswelldoitinawaythatdoesn'tharmyourself,"butIdon'twantustogodownthatpathoftellingpeople,"Oh,youshoulddrinkalittlebiteverydaytopreventAlzheimer'sdiseaseorsomeotherBSlikethat.Peoplesaythatanditkindofmakesmemad.

Ariane: Iknowsomepeoplewhodrinkdailybyanymeans.Idon'tdrinkdaily.

Dave: Cool.Iappreciatethat.IjustwanttobereallyclearforourlistenersbecauseI'm,like,"Look,alcoholisn'tgoodforyou,"butyoumightdoit,ifyou'regoingto,like,howcanyoumakeitsoyougetthefun?Pieisn'tgoodforyoueither,butIeatpieonoccasion.It'sprobablyagluten-freepie,butthesamedifference,right?

Ariane: Exactly.

Dave: Okay.

Ariane: Thatisverymuchthepoint.There'snopartofthiswhereI'msaying,"Startdrinkingmore.It'sgreatforyou."

Dave: Okay.Gooddeal.

Ariane: That'snotthething.

Dave: Now,whichisbetterforyou,pieoralcohol?

Ariane: Personally,Imean,I'dgoforcakebecauseI'mnotapieperson.Pieissuchawasteofflour.It'snotevensweet.Like,whyareyoudoingit?Flourandbutter,tome,justmakesnosensewithoutsomethingtosweetenit,sopieisoffthetableforme.

Dave: Allright,Ihearyouthere.You'reacakeversus...butyou'dmakeagarbanzocake,wouldn'tyou?Aren'tyoufamousforyourgarbanzocake?Isn'tthathowyougothired?

Ariane: That'showIgothiredformyfirstchefjob.Youhaveagreatmemory.Thankyou.

Dave: Oh,you'rewelcome.Allright,istheresuchathingasanalcoholrecipewithgarbanzobeans,becauseourfriend,JJVirginwouldjumpupanddownifsheknewaboutthatbecauseshe'slikeMs.GarbanzoBean?Doyouhavearecipeforgarbanzoalcohol?


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Ariane: Youcouldusethebeanaquafaba,thebeanwaterthat'ssopopularnowadaysforavegan

versionofeggwhitesinacocktail,and,yes,thatisdone.

Dave: Nokidding?Allright,IamgoingtomakeoneofthoseforJJjusttobegarbanzoed.Thankyoufortheidea,bytheway.

Ariane: Noproblem.

Dave: OneofthethingsthatIfoundreallyintriguingaboutyourbookisthatyouaremixingthingsthattraditionallyhavenobusinessbeinginalcohol,bonebroth.Iusecollagen.WemakebonebrothattheBulletproofCoffeeShop.Wedon'thaveanalcohollicense,andIdon'tknowthatIwouldsellalcoholaspartofthewholeBulletproofthing,but,ifyouweregoingtodrink,howdoyoupossiblyusebonebrothorcollagen?Whywouldyouputthatinalcohol?It'ssuchaweirdidea.Bytheway,Ilikeweirdideas.That'snotacriticism.That'sacompliment.

Ariane: Ihaveinoneofthechaptersofthebook,becauseit'sdividedintochaptersbasedondifferentwholefoods,oneofthechaptersofthebookiscalledCollegePlusGinEqualsCollagen.Ontheonehand,itusesfoodsthatincreasecollagenproductionand,ontheotherhand,werecommendaddingBulletproofCollagen,ascooptoeachdrink,andthen,ifyou'reveganandyoudon'twanttodothat,you'restillconsumingthingsthatincreasecollagenproduction.EveryingredientthatIuseinthebookhashealtheffectsoutsideofalcohol,butalsohasspecificeffectsthathelpmitigatesomeofthenegativeeffectsofalcohol.Onethingthatalcoholisknownfordoingisnotmakingpeopleagequitesogracefully.

Dave: You'resayingalcoholmakesyoulookold?IsthatwhatIheardyousay?

Ariane: It'snotlikepeoplewhohavealcoholissueshaveareallyyouthfulface.Peoplewhohaveanykindofissuesdon'ttendtohaveareallyyouthfulface.Byusingfoodstomixthatarecollagen-promotingfoods,youcanhelpreducethelackofcollagenthat'saresultofthealcoholconsumption,andthen,ifyoudon'tdrink,therearemocktailsthatjusthelpwithcollagenproduction,andyou'lllookevenbetterthanallofthosepeoplewhodo.

Dave: Now,whywouldpeoplecareaboutcollagen?

Ariane: Thesamereasonthatpeoplewouldcareaboutanythingelse,they'dcareaboutcollagen.Youcareaboutwhatwillmakeyoulookandfeelgood.It'sournatureinthissocietyatleast.Itmaybenotoutintheforest,butasfaraswherewearerightnow,wetendtocareabouthowwelookandwetendtocareabouthowwefeel.

Dave: Now,alcoholreducesyourlevelofglutathioneinthebody.Glutathioneisthisdetoxingcompound.GlutathioneismadeoutofvitaminCandsomeotherstuff,someaminoacidsandalphalipoicacidandwhatever.Ifyoudrinkalot,alcoholisgoingtoreducevitaminCand,sinceyourcollagenisalsomadeoutofvitaminC,yourbodyislike,"Allright,protecttheliver,"whichtakesvitaminC,"orgoaheadandbuildnewtissues,likehealthybloodvessels,healthyskin,healthybonesoutofcollagen,"soyou'rechoosingbetweenoneofthetwo,unlessyoudowhat


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you'retalkingaboutinyourbookwhereyou'resaying,"Allright,well,youcouldtakesomecollagen,so,then,youhavethebuildingblocksforcollagenorusefoodshighinvitaminC,"ormaybejusttakevitaminC.

Whataresomeofthefoods,say,avegancouldputintheiralcoholinordertohavelessofaneffectfromthealcohol?

Ariane: Intermsofcollagen?

Dave: Orjustintermsofstuffyourecommend,like,kindofwalkmethroughit.

Ariane: Withthecollagenchapter,weusethingslikewhiteteaandblackberries.Therearemillionsofoptions.TheonesIfocusedonwerethemostaccessible.Kombuchaisavailableprettymuchanywhereinthecountrynow.Ihaveachapteronthat.Chocolateandchocolateproducts,becausemostpeoplereallyenjoychocolate,andweuseitascocoapowder,bothrawandthetypicalroasted,aswellaschocolateextractandthatsortofthing.Lemonsandlimesarekindofanobviousone.Basically,Iwentforanythingthathadatleastonereallystrongaspectofeitherdetoxificationoranti-inflammationoranti-nauseaorcollagenpromotion.Ichosefoodsthathadstronghealtheffectsingeneral,thatalsowouldplayinwellwiththethingsweknowalcoholdoestoourbodies.

Dave: Okay,tellmetheworstthingalcoholdoestoyourbody.

Ariane: Ithinkthat'sprobablyopinion,butIwouldhavetosaytheafter-effects,ifyoudon'tdoitright,howyoufeelthenextday.Imean,that'severyone'scomplaint.Noonesays,"I'mdrunkrightnowandI'mhavingsuchabadtime,"unlessthey'vehadtoomuch.Forthemostpart,it'safunexperience,andthat'swhywedoit.Obviously,youwanttostopbeforeyouhitthatpoint.Idon'tinanywayadvocategettingdrunk,andIdon'tmyself,andIhaven'tsinceIwasprobablyinmy20's,whenthat'swhatyoudo,untilyourbodyis,like,"No,no,youdon'tdothatanymore."

Dave: Okay.Howdoyoufeelafterwards?Whatisthesinglebestfoodingredientthat'sgoingtoreversefeelingcrappythenextmorning?

Ariane: Idefinitelyrecommendtakingcautionbeforeyoudrink,topayattentiontowhatyoueat.Don'thaveawholebunchofrefinedcarbohydratessoyou'reonabloodsugarhighandlowcyclebeforeyoustartaddingalcohol,whichisfullofsugarintothepicture.Eatproteinsandfatsand,ifyouwant,carbshavefiberfilled,sweetpotatoandthattypeofcarbs,beforehandwhereyou'reslowingdowntheabsorption.

Whatyoueatrightbeforeyoudrinkishugeandwhatyouconsumealongwithwhatyoudrink.Wehavelotsofdrinksthathavefreshcoconutwaterinthem.Becausethat'sgreatforahangover,sowhynothaveitwiththeelectrolytesalongwiththealcohol?Ideally,youwanttoavoidthehangoversituation.Period.Withadrinkortwoingeneral,mostpeoplecan.WhatI'mreallydoingishelpingensurethat.Now,withadrinkortwoofthissortofthinginsteadofthatsortofthing,you'remuchmorelikelytojustfeelgreatthenextdaybecausewe'renotusing...There'snorefinedsugaraddedtoanything,thereisnomixerswithcornsyrup.Imean,the


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mixingworldonthenon-alcoholicsideisinsane.Thethingstheyaddtocommercialproductsarejustnuts,sowereallyavoidedallofthose.

Dave: Thebestingredienttomixwithyouralcoholtofeelgoodthenextmorningis"caution?"

Ariane: Yes,and"intelligence,"thethinkinggirl.That'sthepoint.Dothisinaway...ifyou'regoingtoit,doitinawaythatisalittlebitsmarterandthatfeelsgoodandyoustillcanhaveagoodtime.That'sthepoint.We'reverymuchheretohaveagoodtime.Weneedthat.Weneedtode-stress.Therearedefinitelymorehealthywaystode-stress,andIdothoseaswell,butthere'snothingwrongwithusingalcoholasanaidtohavealovelyeveninginawaythattastesgood.

Dave: Whatalcoholisthebestalcoholtochooseforathinkinggirl?

Ariane: Ibelieveverymuchinlisteningtoyourownbody.Therearescientificstudiesthatwillsayonethingisbetterthananother.Inmypersonalexperience,Ikepttrying,whileIwantedwine,todrinkwhitewineinsteadofredbecauseit'ssupposedtobebetterforyou.Unfortunately,whitewinemakesmeunconscious.Inabout30to60minutesafteraglassofwineIamjustdoneandIcan'tevengenerallybewokenup,whichisverymuchnotthewayIsleep,soIdrinkredwineeventhoughithaselementsinitthat,forplentyofpeople,accordingtoscience,shouldaffectthemmorenegativelythanwhitewinedoes.

Dave: Likewhat?What'sinredwinethatshouldmakeit...Mostpeoplethinkredwineishealthierthanwhitewine.Likewhat'sthedifference?

Ariane: Thewayinwhichredwineisconsideredhealthierisbecauseoftheresveratrol,buttherejustisn'tenoughto...Whatdotheysay?You'dhavetodrink50gallonstogetwhatyou'relookingforoutofapill?

Dave: Ithinktheequivalentofprobably500gallonsworthofwineeverydayintheresveratrolandrelatedcompoundsofpolyphenolsthatItake,so,yeah,itdoesn'tmakesense.Whyiswhitewinesupposedtobehealthierthanredthen?

Ariane: Ithinkthat'saquestionforyoubecauseyou'reoneofthebigadvocatesofthat.

Dave: Oh,Iam,butIjust[inaudible00:16:24]youwroteabook[inaudible00:16:25]don'twanttogivealecture.

Ariane: Iwroteabookmuchmoreonhowtochoosewiselyforyourselfbasedonhowthingsmakeyoufeel.

Dave: Okay,soyoulookathowyoufeel?

Ariane: Yes.

Dave: That'ssomethingwherewehavealotofalignmenton.Myrecommendationsonwhitewinearethatredwinetastesbetter,whichismaybesomethingthat'svital,butthatredwinetendsto


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havemoreofthemitochondrialinhibitingtoxins,particularlycalledOTAthanwhitewine.Thebestchoice,onaverage,forpeopleistodrinkadry,whiteFrenchwine,becausethey'rethebest.IactuallyhavesomegoodfriendsatDryFarmWines.Gotobulletproof.comorbulletproofexec.com/wine.Ihavelinkstoalowtoxinwine.

Youcandrinkaredwineinsteadofamoldyredwine.Youcandrinkanon-moldyredwine,andIfeelaverybigdifferencebecauseofthequalityofthefermentation.Eventhereit'slike,okay,weliketotellourselvesredwineisredwine,buttherearethousandsofcompoundsinthere,andthatwhitewineiswhitewine,andIimaginethat,ifyouweretowaste500nightsofyourlifebytestingoutawholebunchofdifferentwhitewines,you'dbe,like,"Oh,myGod,whenIdrinkthe2008whitewinefromthiswine,thiswinery,Ifeeltotallygood."Like,"Thisone'scleanandthisone'snotclean."Right?Whatcleanmeansforyoubiologicallymightbedifferentthanforsomeoneelse.

Ariane: Exactly.

Dave: Thatistheconfusingthinghere,andthenthere'stheoverallthing.Evenifyoudon'tfeelit,it'sprobablynotthatgoodforyou.There'ssomecompoundslikemercury.Like,Idon'tfeelmercuryrightawayorIdon'tknowthatIfeelit,butreally,ifmercuryisinyourwine,youprobablyoughttonotdrinkthatwine.Justsaying,right?

Ariane: Forsure,orbeintelligentaboutitandtakechlorellawithitorselenium.

Dave: Whatdoyourecommendthenforsomeonewho's,like,"Allright,IdecidedthatIwanttodrinksomethingtonight.Ihaveachoice.Icanhavetequila.Icanhavevodka.Icanhavechampagne.Youknow,Icanhavebeer."Areyousortoflike,"Well,justtestthemoutsoyouknowwhatmakesyoufeelgood?"

Ariane: Typically,bythetimepeoplearelookingatacocktailbook,theyhaveanideaaboutalcohol.Youdefinitelywanttobeintelligentaboutwhatyouchooseandyouwanttobeinformedaboutwhatyouchoose.Whenyousaychampagne,peopleshouldknow,forone,eventhoughit'slowinalcohol,it'sgoingtogetyoudrunkfasterbecauseofthecarbondioxide.Youwanttoputthatinthecontextofwhatyou'relookingfor.Doyouwantareallyshortnight?Areyoulookingtojustshareabottleofsomethingwithacoupleofpeople,haveagreatcheers,haveagreatmoment,getabuzz,letitwaitoffforanhourorsoandgohome,orareyoulookingforsomethingthatyouknowyourbodytoleratesabitbetterandthatyouknowyoucanmixwiththingsthatwillhelpmitigateitseffectsandyouwantalongerevening?

Wedothings.Alotofthecocktailsare,ofcourse,tequilabased,vodkabased,ginbased,hardalcohols,butwealsodoalotofmixingthingslikesherryorportorchampagnewithnon-alcoholicthings.Alotofthealcoholcocktailsarereallylowinalcohol,whichisgreatforpeoplewhodon'thaveahightoleranceorjustdon'twantatonofalcohol,butdostillwantalittlebitofsomething.

Dave: Ihearyouthere.I'mthinkingaboutallthetimesthatIregretteddrinking,andtherearemorethanafew.BackwhenIwasincollege,andIwaspushing300pounds,IrememberIwoulddrink


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beer.Infact,thiswasatUCSantaBarbara,andwehadsomethingcalled...IthinkitwasBrew102,likeperfectafterthe101st,anditwascheaperthanbuyingShastaCola,like,theoff-brandcola,sothatwaswhatcollegestudentswouldserveatparties.Itwasprofoundlyabadbeer.Idrinkthisand,after3beers,Ijustwanttogotosleep,soI'm,like,"Whatifyouhave3beersand3shotsofespresso?"I'mlike,"Thisisthebestnightever,"andIliterallywoulddothatbecauseI'm,like,"Wow,like,thisistheperfecthighforme."Like,"Now,I'mfullofenergyandI'm,I'mdrunkandI'mprobablyjustlikeanasshole,"butthisismoreinretrospect.

Ariane: Actually,oneofthechaptersiscalledCaféauStay-Up-Late.It'scoffee-basedcocktailsand...

Dave: Totally.

Ariane: ...ofcourse,Irecommendthat,ifyouaresensitivetocaffeine,youusedecaf,buttherearealsoreallygoodonesforthemocktailthatareinthechapterbecauseyoucanstillgetabuzzfromcaffeine,maca,HeShouWu,thatsortofthing,withoutthealcoholjustbecause...

Dave: Youtotallycan.

Ariane: ...Ilovetheideathat,justbecauseyoudon'twantalcohol,itdoesn'tmeanyoudon'twanttohaveanysortofconsciousnessaltering.Youstillmaybelookingforthat,youjustdon'tspecificallywantalcohol.That'sanotherthingweuseinthebookiskava,whichhasgrowninpopularityalot.It'scalming,anti-anxiety,allthosesortsofthings,butcompletelynon-alcoholic.It'sjustaroot.

Dave: Doyoumixkavaandalcoholtogetherinadrink?

Ariane: Weonlydothatinonedrink,andIdidthatbecauseIwantedtoofferpeopleanoptionthatreallytookawaythenegativetasteofkava.Irediscoveredintestingthatalcoholcandothatbetterthananything.Itwasaninterestingexperiencetoworkwithkavawithintheframeworkoftryingtomakeitintosomethingthatpeoplewhodidn'tnecessarilydrinkkavawouldenjoy.Ifyou'veeverhadit,youknowwhatittasteslike.

Dave: Yeah,that'sachallengetomakeittastegood.It'sinteresting,too,becausealcoholactivatessomeGABA(B)receptors.GABAisacalmingaminoacidneurotransmitterinthebrain.Forsomepeople,thepeoplewhoarechilledoutaboutalcohol,they'regettingthataction.Ifyoustackitwithkava,youcanhaveareallynicenight,right,andjust...You'remaybehavinglessalcohol,andthekavacouldbesynergisticwiththat,butIagreewithyouthere,it'sachallengetoformulatesomethingwithkavathattastesgoodotherthanacapsulewhereyoujustswallowitwithashotofvodkaandthen...

Isthereabenefittohavingalcoholmixedversusjustdrinkingashotofsomethingandthen,also,havingtheothercompoundsinadifferentbeverage?Couldyouhavesomekavateaandalcoholseparately?Whywouldyoumixthemotherthanflavor?

Ariane: Foreffects,ingeneral,iswhywemixfoodswiththespecificalcoholswedo,forbothtasteandtosimulatealotofthoseclassiccocktailflavorswithoutusingtheharmfulingredients,because,


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often,it'snotjustthealcoholthatmakesyoufeelsick,it'sallthesugarsyouaddtoit.Thelessyoudothat,thebetteryou'llfeel.Everyonehasdifferentelementsofalcoholconsumptionthatbothertheirparticularbody.Ifyounoticeyouhaveayeastreactiontoalcohol,havingprobiotics,andthenwehavealsodrinkswithprebioticsandprobioticsinthemsothatyou'refeedingtheprobiotics.Ifprobioticshelpcancellingouttheeffectsofgettingridofyourgoodgutflora,thenthat'sabetterchoiceforyou.

Dave: IhavealwayslovedtheconceptofIrishcoffee,puttingalcoholincoffeebecausethefirstproductIevermade,itturnsout,itwasthefirste-commerceproductever,wasaT-shirtthatsaid,"Caffeine,mydrugofchoice."Iwastryingtopayformycollegeeducation,andIendedupasa22-year-oldorsomethingbeinginEntrepreneurmagazineforhavingsoldthisthingoverthisnewthingcalledtheinternetthatnoone'severheardof.

Ariane: That'sawesome.

Dave: EverytimeIwouldputalcoholinmycoffee,Iwouldgettheworstheartburn.Itwaspainful.Ispentayearonacidblockersacoupleofyearsafterthat.Eventothisday,ifIput...IhaveahealthyGItract,ifIputalcoholincoffee,IdonotlikehowmyGItractfeels.Doyouknowwhythatisorhowyoucounteractthat?

Ariane: Iwouldthinkitwouldbetheacidcombination,becauseyou'renotjusthavinganacidicfood,you'rehavinganacidicfoodwithanotheracidicfood.

Dave: Itcouldalsobetheheatjustbecauseit'sahotbeverageversusacoldone.Ialwaysthoughtthatmightbe...

Ariane: Wedoabunchofcoldbrewones,forsure,andwealsocombineitwiththings.Likewehaveonecalledanindustrystandardwhereit'sgotFernetandcoffee.

Dave: WhatisFernet?Thatistheweirdest.

Ariane: Fernetis...It'scalledindustrystandardbecausethat'sformostlyinSanFrancisco,butsomeothercitiesaswell,that'swhateveryoneinthebarindustrydrinks.It'saverystrongherballiqueur.Itactually,duringProhibition,wasabletobypasstheProhibitionlawsbythemjustputtingitinhospitalsbecauseit'sthatmedicinalinflavor.

Dave: It'ssuperbitter,right?

Ariane: It'sbitter.It'slicoricey.It'sreallyherbal.Iloveassortedherballiqueurs.Weuseabunchoftheminthebook.It'sdefinitelythestrongestone.Forsomeonewhohasissueswiththeacidityofcoffeewithalcohol,it'ssomethingthathasanassortmentofdigestiveaids,likeFernetisagreatchoice.

Dave: Awhileback,IwentandIsawthisverysought-afteracupuncturist.It'saKoreanformofacupuncturedownsomewhereinBeverlyHills,and2differentfunctionalmedicinedoctorsare,like,"Idon'tknowwhyweneedtoseethisguy?"soIwentandIsawhim,andhemeasuresvia


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tappingand...likethingsIdon'tunderstand,frankly,butlikehelooksattherelativesizeofyourorgansandsays,"Thisiswhatyoushouldeatanddrink."Thisguytoldme,"Youneedalotofbitters,"andsoIwentoutandIboughtthemostnasty,bitterthingsIcouldpossiblyfind,includinganise,whichactuallyIkindoflike,and,thatstuff,thatwasillegalduringProhibition,justforourlisteners.

Itrieddrinkingthesethings.Youknowwhat?Ihadthislikeahalfashotanight,andIhadthesameeffectifIdrinkalcoholinthatitmakesmetired.I'mlike,"Idon'tlikethis,"andIdiditfortwoweeksandallIgotwas...weaker,I'mlike,"Thisisn'tgoodforme,"andIquitdoingit.Ifyouknowthen,whatarethereasonsyoumightwanttogoforbitters,likeareallybitteralcohol?Whatdotheydoforyou?

Ariane: Bittersingeneralaredigestive.

Dave: Exactly.

Ariane: Thosearegreat.WehaveachaptercalledDon'tBeBitterthatisbitters-based,obviously.Thosearegreatcocktailstochooseifyou'regoingtodrinkreallyshortlyafterdinnerbecauseoneofpeople'sbiggestcomplaintsabouthavingalcoholafterfoodisthattheydon'tfeeltheeffectsofalcohol,itjustmakesthemfeelbloated.Tohaveabitters-basedcocktailafterdinner,you'regoingtohelpdigestyourfood,whichisagoodthingtodoanywayand,inadditiontothat,you'llfeelthealcoholalittlemore,whichwillmakeyoudrinkalittleless.

Dave: That'sthekindofthingthatIappreciateaboutyourbook,justhavingthat,now,thinkingaboutit,likeyousaid,TheThinkingGirl'sGuidetoDrinking,sojustpayingattentiontothatandsaying,"Allright.Allright.Ifyoudrink,ifyoufeelitmore,youfeelitless."Whatifyoudoallthesefood-basedthings,areyougoingtonecessarilydrinkmore?Ifyouweretohaveyouralcoholonanemptystomachandgooutandparty,likethat'sprobablythelowestdoseofalcoholthatyou'regoingtofeel,so...

Ariane: [inaudible00:27:22]discussthat.Howmuchwhatyoueatbeforehanddependsonwhatyouwanttoaccomplishoutofyournightandthat,ifyouarelookingtoreallygetabuzzquickly,haveaverylightdinner,thenhaveacocktail.You'regoingtonoticeit.You'llfeelitrightawayfarmoreorspecifically,it'sthecarbohydratesbecauseit'sthethingsthatstayinyourstomachandtakealongertimetogetthroughandthatalcoholcanliterallysoakrightinto.It'sreallyhardforalcoholtosoakintoavocado,whereasit'sreallyeasyforittosoakintobread,ifyou'retalkingaboutconsumingsomethingwithinacouplehourswhenthefoodisliterallystillgoingthroughyourstomach.

Dave: Gotit,sowhathappensinthestomachreallymatters.Ifyouwanttojustslowdownyouralcoholabsorption,whatwouldyoumixinwithyouralcohol?

Ariane: Specifically,blendedtypedrinks.WehaveonecalledIfYouLikePinaColadas.Idobigchunksofpineappleandbananaswithrumsothatyou'regettingallthefiberofthefood.Imakeanoteforthatdrink.You'renotgoingtofeelthislikeyouwouldfeelapinacoladathat'spineapplejuicebased.Thiswillbeaslowerabsorptionbecauseyou'vegotthefiberofthefruit.Thisis


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goingtobemoreofasnack.Haveitwiththatinmind.

Dave: DoyouuseBrainOctaneinanyoftherecipeshere?

Ariane: IactuallyhaveAboutkava.There'sakavamocktailcalledArmoredHotChocolatethatIstateismyversionofBulletproofHotChocolate.Youdococoapowder.IthinkIaddatoffeesteviaforsweetnessbecause,thekava,youreallyneedsomething,arawcocoapowder,BrainOctaneandgrass-fedbutter.

Dave: It'sinteresting,whenyoumixBrainOctaneintoalcoholorjusteventakecapsulesofit,BrainOctanehasspecificeffectsintheliverwithrespecttoalcoholproduction...ornotproduction.What'sthewordI'mlookingfor?Ithasspecificeffectsintheliverwithrespecttohowyourliverbreaksdownalcoholtoxins.IfinditahugedifferenceinhowIfeelfromitbecause,whenyouhavesomeketonespresent,BrainOctaneraisesketones,youcanalsohavelessinflammationinthecellsbecauseketonesmakelessfreeradicalsthansugardoes.Ifyouhavealittlebitlessinflammationatthesametimeyouintroducedanalcoholthatcanbeinflammatory,youcanbalancethingsout,andyoufeelbetter.

There'sactuallyPubMedstudiesaboutthatstuff,andI'mlike,"Wow,that'skindofcool."That'soneofthethingsthatImakesurethatIdointhemealthatIeat.IfI'mgoingtohavewineorsomething...Idothisateverymealanyway,butIalwayspourBrainOctaneonmyfoodorblenditinorsomethingevenifit'sadinnertimemeal.Idon'tjustputBrainOctaneinthecoffee.Iputitsomewhere,andIfindthatmakesadifferenceforhowIfeelifI'mgoingtohavealcohol.

Ariane: Makesperfectsense.

Dave: Ilikethetasteofalcoholsometimes,butIdon'tnecessarilywanttoadrink,sohowcanIgetthetasteofalcoholwithoutactuallyhavingalcoholinamixeddrink?

Ariane: Theeasiestwaytogetthetasteofalcoholwithoutdrinking,whichisafunthoughtinandofitself,istoputintheotherthingsthatyouwouldnormallyhaveinacocktail.Rightfromthestart,ifyou'retalkingsomethingbubbly,somethingcitrusandyoubeginwiththoseelements,you'regoingtohaveanexperiencethatfeelslikehavingadrink.Wehavetonsofmocktailsthathaveaverycocktailexperiencebecausetheyaren'tjustasingleglassfilledwithiceandastrawandsomenon-alcoholicliquids.Wedothingslikeonecalled...It'sthesizeofavodkaGimlet,andIcallitaKimmyGimlet.It'sfreshbasilmuddledwithlemonjuiceandmaplesyrup,andyougetashot.It'saverystrongbasil,lemon,slightlysweetenedlittleshot,soyougetthisalcohol-likeexperiencebecause,normally,youwouldn'tdoashotofsomethingthatwasn'talcoholic.

You'renotgoingtolikelytakeashotoflemonjuiceorsomethinglikethat,butyouhavethisbrightgreenlittledrinkthatreadslikegreenjuice,but,thankfully,itdoesn'tevenhaveanyvegetablejuiceinit.It'ssweet.It'stangy.It'ssuperherbal.Yougetanexperience.That'swhatwe'relookingformostofthetime.It'snotjustthetaste,buttheexperience.

Dave: That'sacoolidea.Ineedtotrythatone.Icertainlyhaven'ttriedalltherecipesinthebookbecausethere'salotofthem,andIthinkImight-


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Ariane: There'salotofrecipes.

Dave: Ienjoy,withdinner,I'lldrinksparklingwaterlikeaSanPellegrinoorsomething.Forpeople

listening,yeah,SanPellegrinoisownedbyabig,mean,badcompany.However,beforeitwasownedbythem,itwasahealingspring,anditstillis.Giventhat,inmostrestaurants,IcangetthatandIcan'treallygetanyotherwaterandit'soneofthehighestsulfatewaters,yes,IdrinkSanPellegrino.Ijustwouldlikethecompanythatownsthemtorecognizethatwaterisahumanright,sothere.Isaidmybothsidesoftheargumentthere,butI'lltakeSanPellegrino.

Iwilladdalittlebitofsomethingsour,evenafewdropsofapplecidervinegarandafewdropsofdifferentkindsofbitters.Ifyougettherightbalanceofsourandbitterandyoudrinkit,you'relike,"It'skindofkombucha-esque."You'relike,"I'mdrinkingsomethingthatIwouldalmostthinkiseitherbeer-ishorchampagne-ish."Iplayaroundwiththatsometimes.It'scool.Youcanputlittlebitsofturmericandall.Itisn'tevenreallyamocktail.It'sjustgotthevibe,forlackofabetterword,ofhavingabeerwithamealwithoutallthedownsideofbeer,whichisprettysubstantial.

Ariane: That'ssomethingIreallyfeelisunderservedoverallforallthedifferentcommunitiesthatdon'thavealcohol.OneofmymotivationsforputtingsomanymocktailsinthebookwasIdidkundaliniyogateachertrainingthispastyearjusttoreallydeepenmypracticeandgetabetterunderstandingofit.It'saverynon-alcoholiccommunity,sotheygotoallthisgreattroubletomaketonsofdeliciousfoodandthentheyhavesparklingapplejuice.

Dave: Thatdrivesmenuts.

Ariane: It'slike,"We'renot8-years-old."Youcoulddosomuchbetterandsosimply,andpeoplewouldbesoexcitedaboutit.

Dave: Theywouldbe,and,also,don'tgivethatto8-year-olds.It'sasupersugarbomb.It'slikecandy.Likedoyouwanttosee9-year-oldsmisbehavingataparty?Givethemsparklingapplejuice.

Ariane: Exactly.It'snotevenafreshjuice.There'ssolittlehealthbenefittoit.Itwasinseeingthatcommunityandhowexcitedpeoplegotaboutfoodandbakedgoodsandallofthosethingsandthen,whenitcametowhattheydrank,therejustweren'tverymanyoptions.Sometimes,quitetypically,insocialsituationsyoudon'tnecessarilyhavefood,butyoualmostalwayshavedrinks.Offeringpeopleaglassofwaterisjustsosadcomparedto,"Hey,everyone,let'sdoshotsofthisthingthat'sgoingtomakeyoufeelgreatandtastesgoodandlooksgood."

Dave: There'sclearlyaspaceformocktailsthatarereallyspecial.Ilikethataboutyourbook.Frankly,Idon'treadalotofbooksaboutmixologybecausealcoholisnotmyhighperformancedrugofchoice.It'snotaperformanceenhancerprettymuchforanyone.Maybeonedrinkforsomepeople,butthestudiesareprettyclearaboutthat.I'm,like,"Iwanttofeellotsofenergy.Iwanttofeelgoodthenextday."Alcoholisn'tnecessarilygoingtobeaddedtomylife,sotogothroughalotoftroubletomixit,butyou'rebookiscoolbecausethere'salotofmocktailsinit,wherethesocialaspectsareaccountedforwithouttheperformanceinhibitingeffectsof


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alcohol,butthere'salsoalcoholintherebecausesometimesyouwantalcohol.Thereisn'tamoraljudgmentaboutwhetheryouwantitorwhetheryouhaveitornot.

Ariane: No,notintheslightest.

Dave: It'sjustlike-

Ariane: Itrytorefrainfromthoseingeneral.

Dave: Yeah.It'slike,"Howdoyouwanttofeeltomorrow?"andthenyou'regoingtochooseyourfood,chooseyourpoison,whateveryouwanttocallit.It'sthesame,IcouldgotoTacoBell.

Ariane: [crosstalk00:35:13].

Dave: Right,ormaybeIcouldeatsomethingbetterandhaveadrinkwithsomethingbetterandstillfeelbetterthenextday.Right?You'regoingtopickandyou'regoingtodialitin.

Ariane: Exactly,andsomuchofourchoicesinlifearejustamatterofbeinginformedbysomeone.Ireallybelieveincovertnutrition.Idon'tthinkyoushouldhavetofeellikeyou'regettingknowledgetogetsomeknowledge.That,basically,translatedintoabookwhereyougetsomanynutritiontips.Youlearnaboutsomanydifferentfoodsandyoulearnaboutdifferenthealth-promotingaspectsofsomanydifferentfoods,butyoudon'treallynoticebecauseyou'rereadingcocktailrecipes.

Dave: Totally.

Ariane: Ilovethat.That'swhatIliketosee,andthat'swhatIfeelpeoplerespondbesttoiswhentheydon'tfeellike,"Oh,I'mgettinganeducationhere.I'vegottodothis.There'snoneedforthat."

Dave: Now,doyouputkaleinalcoholicdrinks?

Ariane: IhaveachaptercalledGreenWithoutEnvy,butit'sgreenjuices.It'sassortedblends.Weusesome,justgeneric,store-boughtgreenjuicebecausethat'sthemostaccessiblething,andthenweuseindividualjuiceslikeceleryjuiceinplaceofolivejuiceforadirtymartini.

Dave: [inaudible00:36:24]forliketheactualkale.Doyouliketo,say,likejuiceakaleandputitinalcohol?

Ariane: Weonlyhaveitinthecontextofamixedgreenjuice.

Dave: Okay,cool.

Ariane: [inaudible00:36:31]we'llusuallyhavespinach,kale,thatsortofthing.Ididthekalethingreallysignificantlybyhavingabrandofkalechips.Ifeellikelifebeyondkale,lifeafterkale,Ihadhadmyfairshare.IhavefedmyfairsharetoAmerica.We'recooloffthatforawhile.


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Dave: Youmakemelaugh.Yeah.Ihavekaleinthegarden.Ioftentimesjustfeedittochickensbecausethey'lleatitifthecowswon'tbecausetheydon'tlikeoxalyicacidandneitherwillhorses.

Ariane: [crosstalk00:37:05].

Dave: Ikindfeelitwouldbeawasteofalcoholtoputakale,vodkasmoothie.Like,"Really?"Likeit'sjustlike,Idon'tknow,likeputbaconininstead.

Ariane: Wedogreenjuice.It'sverypopularnowincocktails.It'sathinginNewYorkespeciallyatacoupleofdifferentbars,soIdidwanttohavegreenjuiceintherebecausepeoplearesointoit.

Dave: Sure.Itmakessense.

Ariane: Iarguebothsidesofthatargumentasfaras"isjuicegoodforyouatall?"

Dave: Amixedgreenjuicewithalcohol?Idon'thaveaproblem,butifyou'regoingtogoouttheirwayto,"I'mgoingtomuddlekalewiththis,"like,"Seriously?"Likegetoverit.Anyway,I'mhappy.Ididn'tstudyeveryrecipe.

Ariane: I'mhappythatIdon'tdothat.

Dave: Good.Thankyou.Iappreciatethat.

Ariane: Noproblem.

Dave: Now,ifIwantedtomuddlebaconinadrink,wouldthatwork?

Ariane: WeactuallydoachaptercalledCocoaButterMeUp.Thatiscocoabutterinfusedalcoholandcoconutoilinfusedalcohol,2separateones.Typically,thatwouldbeeitherbaconorbutter,but,inthebook,ingeneral,Ijustreallywantedtoofferveganalternativesforeverything.It'salreadynogluteningredient,norefinedsugars.

Dave: Cool.

Ariane: Ijustwantedittobeasacross-the-boardaspossiblebecausethat'swhatIdoinlife.Theprocessthatweuseforthat,wetalkabouthowyoucoulddoitwithbaconfatorbutterinstead,whicharebothmorecommonthandoingcoconutbutterorcoconutoil.

Dave: Yeah.Baconhasareallyneatthingwithalcohol.Whenyougetjustahitofbacon,ittastesreallygood.I'vetriedbacongreaseinBulletproofCoffee,andit'sfreakingdisgusting.Icannotmakeittastegood.Iknowsomepeoplesaytheyhave,andIjustthinkthattheymaylovebaconmorethanIdo,whichishardto,but...

Ariane: It'sthesmokefactor.Whenyoucombinethatwithalcohols,thatcanbereallydelicious.

Dave: Okay.Cool.


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Ariane: It'salsothefat,thefat-washingprocess,whichisreallyallyoudoismelteitherbaconfat,

butter,coconutoil,cocoabutter,anyfat.Youmixitwithahardalcoholandyoushakeitup,andthenyouletitsitinthefridgeforadayortwo.Thefatseparatesandyougettheflavorbehind.

Dave: Oh,cool.

Ariane: Withtheflavor,youalsogetthisreallyamazingsaltiness.That'sthesamethingfromthebacon.It'sjustasmoothnessthatcutsthroughthatburnattheendinadditiontotheflavorofthefat.Thecoconutoil,vodkabasicallytastelikeMalibuRumwithoutthesweetness.

Dave: See,that'sthetrick.See,Iwasjustthrowingafewstripsofbaconintheblenderwithadrink,anditjustwasn'tthesame.

Ariane: Youcan'tblamebacon.

Dave: I'mkidding.Iwasn'tdoingthat.Thatwouldbesickandwrong.

Ariane: That'sdisgusting.

Dave: No.Baconsmoothies,they'renotreal?Allright,I'mwithyouthere.Youdosomethingcoolwithginger.Howdoyoumakeananti-inflammatorygingersyrupthat'snotjustlikeasugarbomb?

Ariane: Yeah,wedobothagingerjuiceandagingersyrup.WhatIloveaboutthejuiceisthatyoudon'thavetobustoutajuicerandyoudon'thavetogotothegrocerystoreorajuicebartogetthejuice.AllyouhavetodoisgratefreshgingeroveraMicroplaneoragraterandthen,allthatpulpthat'sleftbehind,yousqueeze,andthejuicethatcomesoutiswhatweuseinthebookforgingerjuice.Ilovethatbecauseit'salittlemilder.

Then,forthesyrup,Ijustboilwaterwithfreshginger,essentiallymakingareallystronggingertea,andthenyouaddmaplesyrup,honeyorcoconutsugartoit.Wedosomewithoutanysugaratall.Likethere'salavendersyrupthat'serythritol-based,butitdidhavesomenon-refinedactualsweetenersintherebecausemostpeoplegenerallywantthoseandthey'relike,"Erythritolwhat?"

Dave: Totally.Ihaveanotherquestion.Idon'tknowifyouweregoingtohaveanopiniononthisornotbecauseit'ssomethingthatImeanttotalkaboutacoupleofyearsagointheblogandIjustneverdid,andIrecentlywastalkingaboutitonFacebook.SomeoneaskedmeduringFacebookLive.Whenyou'reinketosis,alcoholhasadifferenteffectonyou,right?

Ariane: Yeah.

Dave: Likepeopleinketosisarelesssensitivetoalcohol,butI'vealsogotatleastonecasewhereafriendcalledmeandwas,like,"I'mconcernedI'mgoingtolosemyimmigrationstatusintheUS.IjustgotaDUI,andIdidn'tevenhaveonedrink,butI'msuperheavyinketosis."Doyouknowanythingaboutthis?


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Ariane: I'veheardofit.I'veheardofit,andwhenIhaveachievedaketogenicstatemyself,whichisa

littlemoredifficultwiththehealthissuesthatI'vehadinthepast,Iwas,like,"Whathashappenedtomybreath?"andtakepityonpeoplearoundme.It'sathing.

Dave: Yougettheketobreath,whichis...

Ariane: Exactly.

Dave: ...kindofadragonbreath.Itgoesawayonceyourmetabolismisdonewithtoxins.Ididn'tgetthatanyway.

Ariane: ItwasjustthefirsttimeIwentintoit.Then,anytimeI'vemanagedtosince,it'sneverbeenanissue,butthatfirsttimewasadoozy.

Dave: Thequestionislike"istheresomethingthatmighttripupsomeofthebreathometers?"Thereprobablyis,dependingonthebrandandthesensitivityofit.Peoplewhoareinketosisanddrinkingshouldknowfirstofall.ifyou'reontheBulletproofDiet,there'stimeswhenyou'reinketosisor,ifyou'rejustonthestraightketodiet,youmaybemoresensitivetotherecipesinthebook,andthere'sariskthatyoucouldblowhigheronabreathmeter,soIwouldjustsaybereallycarefulifyou'regoingtobedriving.YourbestbetistojusttakeanUberoraLyftandjustmakesurethatyouknowwhat'sgoingtohappenbecausethelastthingyouwanttodois,like,"Yeah,Ihadonealcoholicserving3hoursago,"andIblewa0.1andnowI'minawholeheapoftrouble,andit'sreallybecauseIwasinketosis,notbecausetherewasanymeaningfulamountofalcoholinmysystem.

Ariane: That'simportantforanaudiencelikeyoursthatdoesthatsortofthingoften.ThatwassomethingIwantedtobringupaboutourhistorywithalcoholbecauseIknowyouhavealotofPaleo-basedlisteners.ThatwassomethingthatIresearchedanddidn'tincludeinthebookbecauseIdidn'twantittobehistorylessonstoomuch,but,indoingtheresearchaboutourhistorywithalcohol,therearesome...Doyouknowalotaboutthat?It'sprettyfascinating,ourhumanhistorywithalcohol.

Dave: Givemethe2-minuteversion.Ithinkouraudiencewouldlovethat.

Ariane: Okay.Scientistshavestudiedabout70millionyearsworthofourdigestiveenzymesandbacteria,andwhattheyfound,thatwaspublishedintheJournalofNationalAcademyofSciences,isthat10millionyearsago,wemutated.Wehadageneticmutation,andourbodiescreatedtheADH4enzyme,thefamilythatyourefertowhenwestarted,ADH.Beforethat,wedidn'thaveit,andthenwedid.Whatthatenabledustodowasstarteatingthefruitofftheforestfloorthatwasrotting.Wehadneverbeenabletodothatbefore.Ourdiet,whilewewerelivingupinthetrees,waslimitedtothefreshfruitthatwecouldpick.

Oncewewereabletoprocesstheethanolinrottingfruit,webeganmigratingdowntotheforestfloorsothatwehadmorevariety,andourabilitytoprocessethanolandwidenourdietwithrottingfruitisconsideredoneofthemainreasonswewereabletomigratefromlivingin


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thetreestolivingontheground,soitactuallyplaysahugeroleinhumanevolution.

Dave: Thatiswaycool,andItotallydidn'tknowthat.Thatshouldhavebeenourcoolfactoftheday,butIjustdidn'tknowit.

Ariane: Ilovethat.IkindofwishI'dincludeditinthebookbecause,now,IjusttalkaboutiteveryopportunityIget.

Dave: It'sacoolstory.It'sinteresting,someanimalsdon'thavethat.Likedogsdon'thaveADH.

Ariane: No,dogsdon't.Catsdon't.

Dave: Yeah.IrememberbeforeIknewthatgrapeswerebadfordogs,thiswaswhenIwasabout10,sogoingwayback...Bytheway,ifyou'relisteningandyouhaveadog,don'tgivegrapestoyourdog.Ihadthesedachshunds.Iusedtohave4dachshunds,2oldonesand2youngones,soyoucanimaginelikealittle,Idon'tknowwhatyoucallit,alittlepackofdachshund,butthere'sprobablyaspecialnameforitlikeaWeiner-Munchenorsomething.

Anyway,oneofthemwouldgoandwe'dpickgrapes,andtheonesthatthebirdsbite,essentially,therewasavinegrowing,andwe'dthrownthemdownandhe'deatthem.Thisdogwouldliterallygetfallingoverdrunkeverytimewe'dhaveabigbagofgrapes,whichwasfunny.Heseemedtoenjoyhimselfgreatly,but,now,IknowIwasnothelpinghisliverandkidneysoranything.

Ariane: No,youwerenotcreatingaperformance-enhancingdog.

Dave: Heliveduntilhewas17andahalf,sohedidallright.

Ariane: It'skindofathingthough,justliketheelderlypeoplethatareeatingsalamiandbeerforeverymealandthey'reThey'relike,"Well,I'ma102."Itworkedoutjustfine.

Dave: Tellmewhatyourgrandmotherate.becausethat'soneofthebiggestthingsthat'sgoingtoepigeneticallyinfluenceyou,soI'dliketothinkthatmydoghadagrandmotherwhoatebison,becausedachshundsoftentakebisonsdownontheplain.You'djustneedlike400dachshundstotakedownabison,andit'slikepiranhas.It'sterrible.Wehavetheabilitytodoit.Alotofanimalscan'tdoit.Somecan,but,obviously,somethingslikefruitflies,liketheythriveonthisstuff,sotheenzymehasexistedforaverylongtime.

Ariane: It'sbeenaround,inhumans,10millionyearsor,whatyouwouldcallhumans,10millionyearsago,australopithecinesorwhateverwewereatthetime.

Dave: Doyouknowwhatpercentageneanderthalyouare?

Ariane: Isthata23andMequestion?

Dave: Yeah.


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Ariane: Mysisterdidit,andIdon'tremember.Ijustknowthatpeoplehavealwaysbeen,like,"Youhave

tomeMiddleEastern."I'mlike,"We'resonotMiddleEastern,"andthenwedidthetest,andtherewas3%Bedouin.

Dave: Oh,cool,thereyougo.

Ariane: Finally,itmadesense.It'snotjustMiddleEastern.We'relikethegypsies,so,ofcourse,thatwascool.I'mtheonlyoneinmyfamilythatlookslikethat,sonowweexplainedme.

Dave: Explainedsomuch.Ifoundouttheotherday,becauseIwentbackandlookedatmyresultsfromacoupleyearsago,Ihaveaneanderthalmutationforlessbackhair,so,hooray.

Ariane: That'scool.

Dave: Iwin.

Ariane: Yeah.That'sagoodonetopassontoyourkids.

Dave: Theydohavesomealcoholgeneticthingsinthere,too,abouthowlikelyyouaretoprocessalcoholandall.It'sfascinatingbecausethere'sthegenesandthere'stheenvironmentalswitchesforthegenesthatareprettymuchdrivenbymitochondria.Infact,Ididn'twriteaboutalcoholinthenewbookI'mworkingonaboutmitochondriaotherthanitcausesinflammation.Inflammationuniversallydecreasesmitochondrialefficiency,butthere'sprobablysomespecificthingsthathappeninourglutathioneandmitochondriaenergyproductionincells,butitmaybebeneficialforshortperiodsforsomethings.Ithinkthere'sprobablysomereallycoolsciencearoundthat.

Ariane: There'ssomanythingsyoucandowithalcohol,too,andmitigatetheinflammation.That'soneofthethingsweusegingerforisgetting...

Dave: Perfect.

Ariane: ...isgettingridoftheinflammationthatcan,otherwise,occurfromalcohol.

Dave: Ithelpsalot.Inmyunderstandingoftheuniverseofalcohol,there'sthealcoholitself,ethanol.Thathasaneffect,andthenthestuffthatcomeswithitoftentimesismoreinflammatory.Whenyouget,likeyousaid,those...

Ariane: Oh,yeah.

Dave: ...thosemixedchemical,color,sweetener,highfructosecornsyrup,crappymixers,youshouldexpectinflammationwithoutthealcohol.Justdrinkthemixer.

Ariane: Iwasjustgoingtosayjustfromthat,exactly,that'snotgoingtodoyouanyfavorsatall.


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Dave: Yeah.Really,ifyou'regoingtoeatcrappyjunkfood,gooutandhaveareallygoodcroissant.It'sgoingtobelessharmfulevenwithallthecrapthat'sintherethanyou'regoingtogetfromeatingachemicalmixerlikethat.Itendtobeprettysuspiciousofthose.

Ariane: Croissantsaremytravelingjunkfoodofchoice.

Dave: Thereyougo.

Ariane: IfI'mstuckinanairportfortoolong,I'm,like,"Well,nowisthetime."

Dave: Ilimitthat.I'vehadtheonlyglutenI'vehadinthelast8yearswasinGreece.I'mlike,"Well,IresponddifferentlytoEuropeanwheat,"soIhad...Thatwasn'tcroissant.Itwasbaklava.

Ariane: Peoplesaidthat,andthen,inParis,IwastotallyexpectingnothingwouldaffectmeatallandIate...becauseIeatglutenprettyrarely,andIatemorethere,andmybodydidnotloveitanymore.Notonebitofextralove.

Dave: Itturnsoutthere'stheglyphosate.AlotofflourintheUShasglyphosateonitbecausetheysprayittomakeit-

Ariane: Yeah.

Dave: Theysprayitattheendofthecroptomakeitripenmorequickly.I'mlike,"Comeon,jerks."LikeThat'snotcool.Thenthere'saverydifferentfungalbiomeintheUSversusEurope.Theybothcontainmycotoxins,butthey'redifferentfamiliesofmycotoxins.Thisisalltrackedbecauseofanimalhusbandry.Thenthere'sthedifferentyeasts.IntheUS,wehaveAmericanstyle,highgrowth,geneticallymodifiedyeastthatgrowsquicklyand,inEurope,likewehaveoldstyleyeastthatgrowsslowly,sowhoknowswhichofthoseisaffectingyou,anditcouldbeallofthem.

Ariane: Exactly.

Dave: It'sgreatbecausewe'retalkingaboutalcohol.Like,okay,thisbottleofalcoholmakesyoufeelthiswayandthisonewiththesamebasicnamemakesmefeelthisway.Itmaybedifferentforpeopleand,ifyoufindsomethingthatworksforyou,likethat'swhat'smostimportant.Right?

Ariane: Exactly.That'sthegoalistoknow.Ifitmakesyouintoasnobbecauseyou're,like,"Oh,Ilikethisone,butIdon'tlikethatone,"youdon'tnecessarilyhavetomakeabigdealoutofitandtelleveryoneyouknow.Youjustmakethatchoiceandthat'swhatyoupurchase.

Dave: Exactly,andthat'swhatyou'dchoosetodobecauseyoufeelbetterthenextday.Now,we'recomingupontheendoftheshow.Ithinkyou'vealreadyansweredthisquestiononcebefore,butmaybeyouhaveadifferentanswertodaybecausepeopledoitoffthecuff.Ifsomeonecametoyoutodayandsaid,"Basedoneverythingyouknowlikerightnow,IwanttoperformbetterateverythingIdo.Iwanttokickassatlife.WhatarethethreemostimportantthingsIneedtoknow?"Whatwouldyoutellthem?


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Ariane: ThisissuperoffthecuffbecauseIdidn'tknowyouwerestilldoingthis.

Dave: Itotallydothis.I'veonlymisseditonce.

Ariane: Ifeellike,intheyearsince,IshouldhavegrownsomuchthatIhaveallthesesuperdifferent

answersthatIhadlastyear.

Dave: Youdidkundaliniteachertraining.Imean,comeon.

Ariane: Oh,mygoodness,[fucking...00:50:32]

Dave: Wegotyou,fbombrightthere.

Ariane: Like13-hourdays,15-hourdays,outrageous.Definitely,stepoutsideofyourcomfortzone.Idon'tknow.Idon'tthinkthatwasonethatIdidlasttime.Ifitmakesyoudrasticallyuncomfortableanditwon'tputyouinharm'sway,sayyes.

Dave: Heck,yeah.

Ariane: That'swhereeverythinggoodhappens.Stoplisteningtootherpeopletellingyou,"Youcan't,"becauseyoucanandyouwill.

Dave: Cool.

Ariane: Everyonewas,like,"You'regoingtowriteanotherbook?Youjustwroteabook.Thebookisstilldoingwell.Whydoyouwanttodothat?"AndIsaid,"Iwanttowrite.ThisiswhatIdo.Iwanttohelppeoplewithfood.Iwanttodomoreofthis.Iwillfigureoutanewbook.Iwillgetagreatbookdeal.Thisisgoingtohappen,"andIdidn'tlistentoanyoneelse,andeverythingwentwell.

Thelastone,I'mgoingtostickwithfrombefore.Patyourselfonthebackmoreoften.Chillout.Relax.Congratulateyourself.Youmadeithere,andthatisamazing.Youarewonderful.That'sbeentellingmyselfthat,tellingotherpeoplethat.It'sbeenoneofthebestthingsinlife.Wedon'tcongratulateourselvesforwhereverwe'reat.Wehavethismore-and-more-and-moreattitude,anditdoesn'tserveanyone.

Dave: Beautiful.Thankyouforsharingthose.It'salwayscooltoseewhat'sinsidepeople'sheadsbecause,whenyoujusthavetoboilitdownonthespot,it'sintriguing.Whatistattooedonyourforearm?

Ariane: Whichone?

Dave: Idon'tknow.Whichisthebestone?

Ariane: Thesearemyfavorites.Thisisproduceofallsorts.


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Dave: That'scool.

Ariane: There'sabigavocado.There'sallkindsofproduce,andthenthisoneisGaneshaandawateryheartandaquotethat'sashortenedversionofaMr.Rogers'quote.He'smyfavorite.He'smyabsolutefavoriteperson.Peoplearealwaysshockedbythat.Thefullquoteis,"Thereare3waystotheultimatesuccess.Thefirstwayistobekind.Thesecondwayistobekind.Thethirdwayistobekind."

Dave: Iloveit.

Ariane: Mytattoois,"Waystosuccess.One,bekind.Two,bekind.Three,bekind."

Dave: Iloveit.Oneofthe...myfavoritequotesforMr.Rogersis,"Lookforthehelpers."WhenheseessomethingscaryonTVlikedisasterorterrorismorwhatever,hisparentswouldjusttellhim,"Wheneversomethingbadhappens,justlookaround.There'salwayshelpers,"andthenyouseeallthepeoplecominginandyoujusttotallyreframethings.Likethat'saprettypowerfulthing.Mr.Rogersdefinitelyhadsomeuglysweaters,buthehadsomegoodknowledge.

Ariane: He'slikemylifegoal.

Dave: Nice.

Ariane: IwantpeopletofeellikeMr.Rogersmademefeel.

Dave: Thatissocool.

Ariane: Eventually.I'mgettingthere.It'salongprocess.Hewasareallygoodman.

Dave: Hewas,indeed.

Ariane: Hedidn'tstartoutquitesoexalted.

Dave: WherecanpeoplefindoutmoreaboutTheThinkingGirl'sGuidetoDrinking?

Ariane: ItisoutNovember1stinallmajorretailers.It'spriortoNovember1st,availableforpre-orderonAmazon,Barnes&Noble,allkindsofotheronlineretailers,andIbelieveyou'regivingawayacopy.

Dave: I'mgivingawayacopyontheshowtoday.

Ariane: Youare.

Dave: Ifyou'dliketowinthefree,signedcopyofAriane'snewbook,wecansendittoyou.Allyou'vegottodoinordertowinthefreecopyofAriane'sbookthatisjustalittleprizeforthisepisodeis,thefirstweekwegoliveoniTunes,justheadonovertoFacebookandpostaboutitand,inyourpost,linkeithertotheiTunesepisodeofBulletproofRadioorlinktotheblogpostaboutit


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ontheBulletproofwebsiteandtagArianeandtagmeonFacebook,andjustputyourfavoritequotefromtheshoworsaysomethingniceabouttheshow.Attheendoftheweek,we'llpickoutourfavoriteone,whichislikelytobetheonethatgetscommentedonthemostorsharedthemostorlikedthemost,butwereservejudgmentonthatone,andthen,wewillcontactyouandsendyouthesignedversionofthebook,whichwassignedlovinglyandcarefullybyArianeherself.

Allright.ifyoulearnedsomethinghelpfultodayaboutthingsyoucouldputwithalcohol,younevermaybethoughtofdoingbonebrothandcollagenwithalcoholoralltheseotherthings,andifyou'reoneoftheprobably80%ofpeoplewhohaveanoccasionaldrinkandwanttofeelgoodwhenyou'redoneormaybe,morecommonly,youhavealotofdrinksandwanttofeelgoodwhenyou'redone,howeveritis,TheThinkingGirl'sGuidetoDrinkinghassomestuffinitforyou.Ifyoudon'tdrinkatallandyoujustwanttohavesomemocktailsthatmakeyoufeellikeyourdrinking,it'sallinthere.

Ifyoulikedtheepisode,IwouldappreciateitifyouwentovertoiTunes,ittakesyouabout30seconds,andjustgiveus5stars.Thereviewsreally,reallymatterbecausetheyhelpotherpeoplefindit.We'repushing50milliondownloadsoniTunes.Probably,ahalfamillionpeoplewillhearthisepisode,so,ifyoucouldjusttakeaminuteortwotogooverthereanditreallymakesadifference.

Thankyou,andthanksforlistening.Haveanawesomeday.

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