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Thousands Not Billions

Thousands Not Billions

The RATE ProjectThe RATE ProjectThe RATE ProjectThe RATE Project

Larry Vardiman Steven Larry Vardiman Steven A. AustinA. Austin

John R. Baumgardner Steven John R. Baumgardner Steven W. BoydW. Boyd

Eugene F. ChaffinEugene F. Chaffin Donald B. Donald B. DeYoungDeYoung

D. Russell HumphreysD. Russell Humphreys Andrew Andrew A. SnellingA. Snelling

Larry Vardiman Steven Larry Vardiman Steven A. AustinA. Austin

John R. Baumgardner Steven John R. Baumgardner Steven W. BoydW. Boyd

Eugene F. ChaffinEugene F. Chaffin Donald B. Donald B. DeYoungDeYoung

D. Russell HumphreysD. Russell Humphreys Andrew Andrew A. SnellingA. Snelling

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A definitive resource on

radioactive dating for every

scientist’s library, whether

evolutionist or creationist. It

examines radioisotope

theory, exposes its plaguing

problems, and offers a better

alternative.

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The Age Issue• Evolution requires long

periods of time

• Some Christians have accepted evolution

• Effect is to degrade reliability of Scripture

• Is the earth really old?

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Assumptions Of Radioisotope

Dating• No initial concentration

of daughter element

• Constant decay rate

• Closed system

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RATE Hypotheses

• Accelerated decay has occurred during Creation, at the Curse, and during the Flood.

• Some daughter elements may be primordial.

• Radioactive processes have produced evidence of accelerated decay.

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Helium Diffusion Rates

by D. Russell Humphreys, Ph.D.

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Helium Experiments GiveNuclear Evidence for a

Young World.

RATE project

“1.5 billion years” of nucleardecay occurred between

4,000and 8,000 years ago.

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Tiny “Zircon” Crystals in the Earth’sContinental Crust Are Radioactive.

0.02inch

Contain Uraniumand Thorium atoms

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Mark Armitage

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The Radioactivity Makes Helium.

Eight Helium Atoms

Nuclear decay

U Uranium

Atomic Number: 92 Atomic Mass: 238.03

Pb Lead

Atomic Number: 82

Atomic Mass: 207.20

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Radioisotope age: “1.5 Billion years”

Helium retained in Zircons% of “1.5 Billion” years worth:

Sample

Depth (meters)

Temp. (ºC)

Helium(%)

1 960 105 58

2 2170 151 27

3 2900 197 17

4 3502 239 1.2

5 3930 277 0.1Fenton Hill, New Mexico

Los Alamos geothermal site

The Helium Is Still in the Zircons

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Radiohalo Studies

by Andrew A. Snelling, Ph.D.

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Conventional Age (Ma)

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Isochron Discordance

by Steven A. Austin, Ph.D.

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Bass RapidsDiabase Sill

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BassRapidsdiabase

sill

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Carbon – 14 Isotopes

by John R. Baumgardner, Ph.D.

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14C/C Ratios Measuredin Biological

Phanerozoic Samples

Nu

mb

er

of

Sa

mp

les

Percent Modern Carbon

Mean: 0.292Std dev: 0.162

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Coal 14CAMS Results

Nu

mb

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of

Sa

mp

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Percent Modern Carbon

Mean: 0.247Std dev: 0.109

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Theoretical Studies Of Accelerated Decay

by Eugene F. Chaffin, Ph.D.

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5e-17

4e-17

3e-17

2e-17

1e-17

9e-1890 95 100 105 110 115 120

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Biblical Word Studies

by Stephen Boyd, Th.D.

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Morphological Word Study

• Statistical comparison of narrative (literal) to poetic (allegorical) passages

• Frequency of preterite, imperfect, and perfect verb forms

• Passages in Exodus 14 & 15, Judges 4 & 5, Genesis 1:1–2:3, Psalm 104, and the Flood

• Highly statistically significant differences in frequencies between narrative and poetic

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Exo. 14 Exo.15:1-18

Jdg. 4 Jdg. 5 Gen.1:1-2:3

Psa.104

Flood Psa.105;106

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Morphological Distribution Narrative vs. Poetry (3D)

PreteriteImperfectPerfectWawPerfect

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David and Goliath“I come to thee in the name of the LORD of hosts.

This day will the LORD deliver thee into mine hand.That all the earth may know that there is a God in

Israel.The LORD saveth not with sword and spear.

The battle is the LORD’s.He will give you into our hands.”

I Samuel 17: 45–47

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It’s A Young World

After All !!!

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New ICR Research Projects

ResearchProject

PrincipalInvestigator(

s)

Budget for

2005/2006

Estimate for

full effort

GENE Criswell/Sanford

$150,000 $750,000

FAST Austin $ 25,000 $150,000

EPIPHANY Baumgardner $ 50,000 $300,000

RATE II Snelling $ 30,000 $200,000

COSMOS Humphreys $ 30,000 $200,000

MISC PROJECTS

Snelling $ 15,000 $125,000

NAUTILOIDDOCUMENTAR

Y

Rasche/Austin $100,000 $125,000

GENEDOCUMENTAR

Y

Rasche/Criswell

_____________

$125,000

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A definitive resource on

radioactive dating for every

scientist’s library, whether

evolutionist or creationist. It

examines radioisotope

theory, exposes its plaguing

problems, and offers a better

alternative.

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Challenging an Icon of Evolution!

Thousands...Not Billions Conference

Saturday, November 5, 2005Shadow Mountain

Community ChurchEl Cajon, CA

For tickets and information call Denise Prock at (619)

448-0900, ext. 6020