Chris Wanstrath

http://defunkt.github.com

hi everyone, i’m chris wanstrath

i love randy rhoads

and kurt vonnegut

i live in san francisco

and work at github

(which is written in rails)

but! i’m not gonna talk about any of that stuff

today i want to talk about python

and comet

(among other things)

the real-time web (And other buzzwords)

By Chris Wanstraththis talk is titled “the real-time web (and other buzzwords)”

?so what is the “real-time” web?

techcrunch and readwriteweb would have you believe it’s a way to get your RSS stories

faster

but is that it?

no.

it’s all about pushing

instead of polling

!it’s getting told what’s new

?instead of asking for what’s new

instant chat in the browser

and information the moment it’s available

Client Server

one persistent connection

ClientServer

instead of many, short lived connections

right now when we say “real-time web” we usually mean one of three things

comet

flash’s XMLSocket

or HTML5’s WebSocket

let’s start with comet

?how many people know what comet is?

how many people know how it differs from XML socket or WebSocket?

good! for a long time i had no idea what comet was

!i think it has a big marketing problem.

see, comet is a cleaning product.

just like ajax

so it’s kind of like,

Me, too!

“me too”

I, too, am a revolutionary web

technique you didn’t know existed and can start using

today that will forever change the way you imagine the

web experience.

“I, too, am a revolutionary web technique you didn’t know existed and can start using today that will forever change the way you think about the web experience.”

...

and you’re like

Uhh...

uh...

AJAX!!!

if i had my way...

i’d call it something else

like maybe asteroid

i dunno, there’s some cool imagery there

i dunno, there’s some cool imagery there

i dunno, there’s some cool imagery there

i dunno, there’s some cool imagery there

i dunno, there’s some cool imagery there

i dunno, there’s some cool imagery there

i dunno, there’s some cool imagery there

anything but comet

anyway, comet is any standards compliant technique which pushes or streams data to the browser over HTTP

with comet you can essentially fake a socket connection between a browser and a backend server

how about an example

well, for this year’s django dash

me

alex gaynor... whoops...

alex gaynor

and leah culver

( World’s smallest park )

(seen here next to the world’s smallest park)

built leafychat

irc in your browser using comet

you can connect to freenode channels

see who’s online

and do the irc thing

right in your browser (demo?)

all without ajax

?how?

well, there are a few components at play here

Browser

first you’ve got the browser (naturally)

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then we have apache

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sitting behind apache is django (via mod_wsgi or whatever)

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the browser hits leafychat.com, port 80, which hits apache. apache sees it’s a django request

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and hands off the request.

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once django generates a response, apache takes it and delivers it

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back to the browser. that’s, more or less, our HTTP request cycle

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comet connections work in a similar fashion

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instead of apache, we have Orbited sitting on port 8100

orbited is an open source, python comet server powered...

by twisted.

it does all of the comet heavy-lifting for us

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so.

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sitting behind orbited we have our app-specific comet code. for leafy chat it was a twisted-based daemon named zeddicus. it handled all the IRC stuff - connecting to channels, sending messages, receiving private messages, logging, all that

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orbited handles generic browser stuff...

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while our app-specific daemon (zeddicus) deals with the business logic.

in this case, irc stuff

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does this look familiar?

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no? ok.

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anyway, the browser (using orbited’s bundled js library) makes a request...

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to port 8100. orbited sees it’s a request for zeddicus and hands it off to our backend

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zeddicus sees a new socket connection open, does some stuff, then writes to the socket

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orbited reads what zeddicus wrote to the socket connection they share

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then sends it back the browser via comet

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just like before

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"><html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en"><head> <script> // session data var session_nick = "" var session_channels = [] </script> <script type="text/javascript" src="/static/js/soundmanager2/soundmanager2-nodebug-jsmin.js"></script> <script type="text/javascript" src="/static/js/audio-player.js"></script>

<title>Leafy Chat</title>

<link rel="icon" href="/static/img/favicon.ico"/>

<link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/css/reset.css" type="text/css" media="screen" /> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/css/facebox.css" type="text/css" media="screen/> <link rel="stylesheet" href="/static/css/base.css" type="text/css" media="screen" />

<script> document.domain = document.domain; </script> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://ajax.googleapis.com/ajax/libs/jquery/1.3.2/jquery.min.js"></script> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://leafychat.com:8100/static/Orbited.js"></script> <script type="text/javascript" src="/static/js/facebox.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <script type="text/javascript" src="/static/js/cookie.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <script type="text/javascript" src="/static/js/leafy.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <script type="text/javascript" src="/static/js/kahlan.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<div id="main"> <div id="header"> <div id="navigation" class="rounded"> <ul class="nav-list"> <!-- this should be a list --> <li>Hi <span id="welcome-user">there</span>!</li>

but while apache and django deal with html

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zeddicus, our back-end daemon, concerns itself only...

with json.

orbited supports STOMP, XMPP, and raw IRC, too, but JSON is the way to go.

why do i say that?

well, unfortunately this is where orbited does not rock

orbited only cares about giving you a socket, you have to do everything else yourself.

that’s the deal

so you need to design your own protocol...

how it interacts with your back-end daemon

how events are fired and responded to

all that boring stuff

we ended up using a combination of django signals and json

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so this is our overview, except with one small change

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these are actually persistent connections

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between orbited and zeddicus it’s a tcpsocket

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between the browser and orbited it’s a comet technique

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we jump through all these hoops because it allows us to write our app as if the browser is connecting DIRECTLY to zeddicus via a tcpsocket

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which is what the “real time” web is all about and what comet gives us

the browser writes to and reads from a socket, our back-end daemon does the same.

fast communication

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alright, so let’s talk about this part a bit more

the comet part

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there are a few different ways to fake a persistent connection to a server with modern browsers

xhr long polling

- hang an xhr request until we get a response or 30s, then re-open and wait again

<script>script tag long polling

- dynamically create a script tag pointing to a url that hangs or times out, rinse and repeat

<iframe>forever frame

- open a Content-Encoded: chunked url in an iframe, each chunk is a <script> tag that runs

xhr streaming

- set content-encoding: chunked and trigger onreadystate callback with each chunk

so now you know our white lie: we don’t have real persistence, or a real socket.

we fake it at both ends.

or, really, orbited fakes it at both ends

all that to get irc in your browser

well, kinda

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see, with orbited, you can connect directly to an irc server

and why not? it’s just a socket connection

in fact you can demo a (somewhat functional) irc connection on the orbited website

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but with leafychat we wrote our own backend daemon that connected to irc.

why?

logging.

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if we loaded our django code into zeddicus, we could easily log irc chats you’re interested in based on your session id.

it works very well.

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at this point i should mention the older tutorials online explaining how to load orbited into django.

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but i the best (and simplest) way is to let each component be its own daemon

it works great for production as well as dev mode - the django dash judges were able to start and run our app locally, despite the number of daemons that needed to run

if you want to get a comet app up and running locally, check out orbited

it supports a ton of comet transports and is actively maintained

using java? jetty has comet support

the ruby world has juggernaut

while perl has meteor

there’s the interesting in-progress Ajax Push Engine

and in erlang there’s erlycomet (built on mochiweb)

so, flash’s XMLSocket

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it turns this

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into this

how? flash allows you to make tcp connections in actionscript.

by providing a javascript api to those tcp connections, we can use flash to create persistent, socket connections from the browser

no lying needed

of course, it may be non-standard and might not work great across firewalls. but if you can use it, it’s pretty great

a popular technique is to attempt to open a flash socket, then fall back to standards based comet methods if it fails

it’s good backup

there are a few nice libraries for xml socket on github

tmm1 / jssocket

my favorite is tmm1’s jssocket

defunkt / jssocket

(i have a fork which removes the jquery dependencies)

finally: HTML5’s WebSocket

it’s still a proposed draft

but it’ll let you open a socket to any serve that speaks the special WebSocket protocol

ws://servers need to speak the WebSocket protocol - you can’t open arbitrary connections to irc or xmpp gateways

this plugs up the obvious security holes but also makes it a bit harder to implement than something like XMLSocket

your server needs to speak ws

?so, in review

comet

should be called asteroid

flash’s XMLSocket

is non-standard but nice

HTML5’s WebSocket

not yet here

but futuristic

you should give orbited a shot

with json

\0probably null terminated

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don’t load orbited in django

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use them alongside each other

?is that it?

!that’s it

Thank You

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