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The Midnight Hour (009) Is Bigfoot an Alien_ Is MUFON Finished_ Is Richard Dolan a Badass__PTvkknTifCg - transcript (automated).txt[22/07/2019 19:18:54]

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800:01:42,390 --> 00:01:48,069greetings and salutations fellow true

900:01:45,519 --> 00:01:51,429seekers and welcome back to the midnight

1000:01:48,069 --> 00:01:53,709hour my name is Steven cambian also

1100:01:51,430 --> 00:01:56,540known as the mystery man bringing you

1200:01:53,709 --> 00:01:57,899another exciting edition of our show

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1400:01:57,900 --> 00:02:03,040now tonight my friends we're gonna be


1500:02:00,609 --> 00:02:05,049talking about another great mystery

1600:02:03,040 --> 00:02:07,930because that's what we do here in the

1700:02:05,049 --> 00:02:10,689midnight hour but not just a great

1800:02:07,930 --> 00:02:13,450mystery to great mystery really

1900:02:10,689 --> 00:02:16,919because tonight my friends we're gonna

2000:02:13,449 --> 00:02:20,859be talking about the legendary Bigfoot

2100:02:16,919 --> 00:02:24,189Sasquatch but not just big we're going

2200:02:20,860 --> 00:02:28,260to be discussing Bigfoot and Bigfoot's

2300:02:24,189 --> 00:02:31,629possible relation to UFOs and

2400:02:28,259 --> 00:02:35,709extraterrestrial spacecraft what do you

2500:02:31,629 --> 00:02:38,049think is Bigfoot an unknown primate

2600:02:35,709 --> 00:02:42,000running around in the forests of the

2700:02:38,050 --> 00:02:42,000Pacific Northwest and other areas

2800:02:42,280 --> 00:02:47,740is it a ghost or some sort of

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3000:02:47,740 --> 00:02:53,280guest tonight do you believe that

3100:02:49,750 --> 00:02:56,919Bigfoot might possibly be either an

3200:02:53,280 --> 00:03:00,818extraterrestrial himself or be somehow

3300:02:56,919 --> 00:03:03,239related to the extra-terrestrial and UFO

3400:03:00,818 --> 00:03:05,789phenomena

3500:03:03,240 --> 00:03:08,129I'm not sure what to think myself my

3600:03:05,789 --> 00:03:10,739friends but I invite you tonight on an

3700:03:08,129 --> 00:03:12,049incredible journey this Bigfoot an

3800:03:10,740 --> 00:03:19,890extraterrestrial

3900:03:12,050 --> 00:03:24,360let's find out tonight my friends my

4000:03:19,889 --> 00:03:28,049guests will be probably the world's

4100:03:24,360 --> 00:03:31,530foremost expert on connecting Bigfoot to

4200:03:28,050 --> 00:03:35,310UFOs and extraterrestrial spacecraft his

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name is Stan Gordon now he's been on the

4400:03:35,310 --> 00:03:39,319show before because he also happens to

4500:03:37,199 --> 00:03:41,879be an expert on the Kecksburg UFO

4600:03:39,319 --> 00:03:44,639incident but tonight we're gonna be

4700:03:41,879 --> 00:03:47,780discussing all of his research into

4800:03:44,639 --> 00:03:50,809Bigfoot and Bigfoot's possible

4900:03:47,780 --> 00:03:54,240relationship with UFOs and

5000:03:50,810 --> 00:03:56,789extraterrestrial spacecraft as Stan

5100:03:54,240 --> 00:03:59,820Gordon this expert researcher cracked

5200:03:56,789 --> 00:04:03,780the case and actually proven that

5300:03:59,819 --> 00:04:05,840Bigfoot has some relation to UFOs and

5400:04:03,780 --> 00:04:08,669extraterrestrial spacecraft

5500:04:05,840 --> 00:04:11,420ladies and gentlemen I think this is an

5600:04:08,669 --> 00:04:15,530incredible intriguing

5700:04:11,419 --> 00:04:19,189twist on the whole Bigfoot legend it's a


5800:04:15,530 --> 00:04:22,790seldom thought about thing what if that

5900:04:19,189 --> 00:04:25,399hairy beast in that forest is working

6000:04:22,790 --> 00:04:28,520where other extraterrestrials was

6100:04:25,399 --> 00:04:32,449created by other extraterrestrials or is

6200:04:28,519 --> 00:04:35,719somehow the servitor race - the greys or

6300:04:32,449 --> 00:04:40,819some other master extraterrestrial race

6400:04:35,720 --> 00:04:44,180that employs Bigfoot to do their dirty

6500:04:40,819 --> 00:04:47,089work this is sound look too far out for

6600:04:44,180 --> 00:04:50,660you because it kind of does for me but

6700:04:47,089 --> 00:04:54,889once you get into it you'll find that

6800:04:50,660 --> 00:04:57,710some of the proof of this is incredible

6900:04:54,889 --> 00:04:59,629and tonight my friends we're gonna fully

7000:04:57,709 --> 00:05:02,750explore this with one of the world's

7100:04:59,629 --> 00:05:06,980most leading experts into this theory


7200:05:02,750 --> 00:05:11,300this little-known theory on the legend

7300:05:06,980 --> 00:05:13,220of Bigfoot let's get into it but before

7400:05:11,300 --> 00:05:16,939we do my friends I do have some

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9100:05:53,978 --> 00:05:59,649I am also incredibly excited to announce

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9300:05:59,649 --> 00:06:05,198and true to the original concept of our

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9500:06:05,199 --> 00:06:12,038broadcasting our show weekly once a week

9600:06:08,918 --> 00:06:14,198at midnight now the details are still a

9700:06:12,038 --> 00:06:16,269little sketchy and up in the air but

9800:06:14,199 --> 00:06:18,699we're working really hard to make this

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original concept of the show which is

10100:06:21,098 --> 00:06:24,819the midnight Oh

10200:06:22,300 --> 00:06:30,069so welcome once again fellow tree

10300:06:24,819 --> 00:06:32,620seekers to the midnight hour now I have

10400:06:30,069 --> 00:06:36,069to tell you my fellow truth-seeking

10500:06:32,620 --> 00:06:38,740friends that when I first heard this

10600:06:36,069 --> 00:06:43,180kind of theory that Bigfoot was an

10700:06:38,740 --> 00:06:45,098extraterrestrial or you know I guess

10800:06:43,180 --> 00:06:48,340that all Bigfoots are extraterrestrials

10900:06:45,098 --> 00:06:51,399or that Bigfoot was somehow related to

11000:06:48,339 --> 00:06:54,609the extra-terrestrial phenomenon or UFO

11100:06:51,399 --> 00:06:57,329phenomenon I gotta tell you the truth my

11200:06:54,610 --> 00:06:59,788bullshit meter went off the charts

11300:06:57,329 --> 00:07:04,389because I kind of think this is too

11400:06:59,788 --> 00:07:08,709strange things that don't really have a


11500:07:04,389 --> 00:07:10,658relationship to each other or do they so

11600:07:08,709 --> 00:07:14,579I started to look into it and then I

11700:07:10,658 --> 00:07:16,930remembered that Bigfoot is mentioned in

11800:07:14,579 --> 00:07:20,709probably three or four different books

11900:07:16,930 --> 00:07:24,370that I have on UFOs and so I went back

12000:07:20,709 --> 00:07:26,829to my books and sort of you know rifle

12100:07:24,370 --> 00:07:28,209through everything going what is the

12200:07:26,829 --> 00:07:31,228connection here

12300:07:28,209 --> 00:07:34,379and then I found what the connection was

12400:07:31,228 --> 00:07:38,228because it turns out my friends that

12500:07:34,379 --> 00:07:42,689it's an often occurrence that when there

12600:07:38,228 --> 00:07:46,180is a flap of Bigfoot sightings there is

12700:07:42,689 --> 00:07:50,560also in connection to that Bigfoot

12800:07:46,180 --> 00:07:53,199sighting flap a flap of UFO sightings in


12900:07:50,560 --> 00:07:57,038other words if a bunch of people start

13000:07:53,199 --> 00:08:00,330seeing Bigfoot in a certain area either

13100:07:57,038 --> 00:08:04,598the same where separate people are also

13200:08:00,329 --> 00:08:08,529seeing UFOs and lights in the sky and

13300:08:04,598 --> 00:08:10,598strange aerial phenomenon and it's at

13400:08:08,529 --> 00:08:14,799the same time that people are seeing

13500:08:10,598 --> 00:08:17,500Bigfoot now sometimes people will see

13600:08:14,800 --> 00:08:20,918lights in the sky or some kind of

13700:08:17,500 --> 00:08:23,649strange aerial phenomenon or unknown

13800:08:20,918 --> 00:08:26,978flying objects in the sky and on the

13900:08:23,649 --> 00:08:31,629same day or night see a Bigfoot creature

14000:08:26,978 --> 00:08:34,269and that my friends is why Bigfoot is

14100:08:31,629 --> 00:08:37,059mentioned in several different UFO books

14200:08:34,269 --> 00:08:37,418that I had and I kind of forgot about

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14400:08:37,418 --> 00:08:42,098you know you know you go reading through

14500:08:40,149 --> 00:08:45,159this UFO book and and you know they

14600:08:42,099 --> 00:08:48,400mentioned oh people saw UFOs and then

14700:08:45,159 --> 00:08:51,879the next night people saw a Bigfoot

14800:08:48,399 --> 00:08:54,189creature you know around their home in

14900:08:51,879 --> 00:08:57,669the same time frame that they saw a UFO

15000:08:54,190 --> 00:08:59,860the day before or the same day so then I

15100:08:57,669 --> 00:09:02,679started thinking like that's pretty

15200:08:59,860 --> 00:09:04,959amazing and it's pretty incredible that

15300:09:02,679 --> 00:09:08,319somebody would see two incredibly

15400:09:04,958 --> 00:09:10,778legendary things like a UFO and a

15500:09:08,320 --> 00:09:14,500Bigfoot creature in the same day or same

15600:09:10,778 --> 00:09:17,200night to me there's some meat on the

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bones there if that's the case and we

15800:09:17,200 --> 00:09:23,800have incredibly you know credible

15900:09:20,230 --> 00:09:26,860witnesses that are reporting this so I

16000:09:23,799 --> 00:09:28,958decided that I can't just let the

16100:09:26,860 --> 00:09:33,209bullshit meter go off the charts when I

16200:09:28,958 --> 00:09:36,338hear something like a theory like this I

16300:09:33,208 --> 00:09:37,629have been working really hard to be very

16400:09:36,339 --> 00:09:40,480honest with you

16500:09:37,629 --> 00:09:44,529to be a little bit less skeptical of

16600:09:40,480 --> 00:09:47,200everything lately I have been in contact

16700:09:44,529 --> 00:09:48,939with a lot of different guests that

16800:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,520we've you know we just had a guest on

16900:09:48,940 --> 00:09:55,780our show talking about alien abductions

17000:09:51,519 --> 00:09:56,949and alien hybrids what we just recorded

17100:09:55,779 --> 00:09:59,679the interview and we're gonna be


17200:09:56,950 --> 00:10:02,050broadcasting that soon and honestly that

17300:09:59,679 --> 00:10:04,629was one thing again that I thought this

17400:10:02,049 --> 00:10:05,139is crazy and there's no proof of any of

17500:10:04,629 --> 00:10:07,179this

17600:10:05,139 --> 00:10:09,819but I have to say I came away from the

17700:10:07,179 --> 00:10:13,239interview thinking I'm a little too

17800:10:09,820 --> 00:10:15,250skeptical sometimes so I've decided that

17900:10:13,240 --> 00:10:18,549I'm gonna work a little harder at

18000:10:15,250 --> 00:10:21,070keeping an open mind and let's go and

18100:10:18,549 --> 00:10:24,849examine the evidence if the evidence is

18200:10:21,070 --> 00:10:28,120there then you can't so quickly dismiss

18300:10:24,850 --> 00:10:30,700things it's not it it's not right to do

18400:10:28,120 --> 00:10:32,230that you have to keep an open mind if

18500:10:30,700 --> 00:10:34,300you're gonna investigate these things


18600:10:32,230 --> 00:10:36,759and that's the point of the show I want

18700:10:34,299 --> 00:10:39,309to investigate these things for all of

18800:10:36,759 --> 00:10:41,649you my friends and fellow truth seekers

18900:10:39,309 --> 00:10:46,569and try to bring you some of the best

19000:10:41,649 --> 00:10:48,909evidence for these things so like I said

19100:10:46,570 --> 00:10:52,720I've been working really hard on doing

19200:10:48,909 --> 00:10:54,899that and on this theory that Bigfoot is

19300:10:52,720 --> 00:10:58,779somehow related to UFOs and

19400:10:54,899 --> 00:11:01,149extraterrestrials you know I started

19500:10:58,779 --> 00:11:05,019reading everything that I could find and

19600:11:01,149 --> 00:11:09,159I have found an abundance of evidence

19700:11:05,019 --> 00:11:12,840that links Bigfoot and UFOs and if you

19800:11:09,159 --> 00:11:17,799just google Bigfoot and UFOs you'll find

19900:11:12,840 --> 00:11:20,769the same kind of evidence that I have

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20100:11:20,769 --> 00:11:26,169now I always joke about going down a

20200:11:23,500 --> 00:11:30,190rabbit hole and if you want to go down a

20300:11:26,169 --> 00:11:34,179true rabbit hole of crazy paranormal

20400:11:30,190 --> 00:11:37,890phenomenon then I invite you to Google

20500:11:34,179 --> 00:11:40,299search Bigfoot and UFOs or Bigfoot

20600:11:37,889 --> 00:11:43,870extraterrestrials and you're gonna find

20700:11:40,299 --> 00:11:46,909all kinds of witness testimony and case

20800:11:43,870 --> 00:11:49,909studies and all kinds of strangeness

20900:11:46,909 --> 00:11:53,559it's amazing how many things you can

21000:11:49,909 --> 00:11:58,279find that relate Bigfoot to UFOs or

21100:11:53,559 --> 00:12:01,899extraterrestrials so having heard about

21200:11:58,279 --> 00:12:05,269this theory and then also you know

21300:12:01,899 --> 00:12:08,600starting to look into it one person's

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name kept coming up and that is my guest

21500:12:08,600 --> 00:12:13,639tonight and I thought wow that's that's

21600:12:11,539 --> 00:12:16,009pretty awesome because we've had him on

21700:12:13,639 --> 00:12:17,840the show before so maybe I could reach

21800:12:16,009 --> 00:12:21,259out to him and get him to talk about

21900:12:17,840 --> 00:12:25,960this theory and it's a theory that he

22000:12:21,259 --> 00:12:28,580truly believes in I have to say that

22100:12:25,960 --> 00:12:31,550he's one of my favorite investigators

22200:12:28,580 --> 00:12:33,710because he's kind of fact-based and also

22300:12:31,549 --> 00:12:35,899he's out there on the ground like some

22400:12:33,710 --> 00:12:37,879people are what I call armchair

22500:12:35,899 --> 00:12:39,980investigators you know they just go on

22600:12:37,879 --> 00:12:41,629the internet and then they form their

22700:12:39,980 --> 00:12:43,550opinions and they start talking about

22800:12:41,629 --> 00:12:47,899things like they have some first-hand


22900:12:43,549 --> 00:12:50,779knowledge of it and that's really not

23000:12:47,899 --> 00:12:55,220what my guest tonight does Stan Gordon

23100:12:50,779 --> 00:12:58,159is a field investigator this guy goes

23200:12:55,220 --> 00:13:01,550out and interviews people when these

23300:12:58,159 --> 00:13:03,350things happen and he you know goes

23400:13:01,549 --> 00:13:06,620through the fields that they saw the

23500:13:03,350 --> 00:13:09,950Bigfoot in and gets drawings of the

23600:13:06,620 --> 00:13:12,440craft and documents everything Stan

23700:13:09,950 --> 00:13:13,940Gordon has been doing this longer than

23800:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,160I've been alive so I have incredible

23900:13:13,940 --> 00:13:18,980amount of respect for him and admiration

24000:13:16,159 --> 00:13:21,409for the things that he's tried to do and

24100:13:18,980 --> 00:13:24,860for the research that he's tried to

24200:13:21,409 --> 00:13:25,899bring to the forefront and share with


24300:13:24,860 --> 00:13:28,730people

24400:13:25,899 --> 00:13:30,559this guy's got a hotline that just like

24500:13:28,730 --> 00:13:33,769it's a phone that just rings in his

24600:13:30,559 --> 00:13:36,889house and if people see some UFO or a

24700:13:33,769 --> 00:13:39,769Bigfoot or some kind of paranormal thing

24800:13:36,889 --> 00:13:43,389including ghosts or any really anything

24900:13:39,769 --> 00:13:45,919paranormal they can call his hotline and

25000:13:43,389 --> 00:13:47,960Stan Gordon will go out to their house

25100:13:45,919 --> 00:13:50,449and interview them and talk to them

25200:13:47,960 --> 00:13:52,670about it and try to get them some kind

25300:13:50,450 --> 00:13:55,610of answers about what's been going on

25400:13:52,669 --> 00:13:58,309and to be honest with you in this world

25500:13:55,610 --> 00:13:59,769that we have right now in in the

25600:13:58,309 --> 00:14:01,719paranormal field

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00:13:59,769 --> 00:14:03,610it just seems to me that we have an

25800:14:01,720 --> 00:14:07,119incredible amount of storytelling

25900:14:03,610 --> 00:14:09,938bullshit artists and I hate that listen

26000:14:07,119 --> 00:14:13,689I don't want to get negative but we just

26100:14:09,938 --> 00:14:17,889had a MUFON conference last year for

26200:14:13,688 --> 00:14:20,2592017 where they had a conference on the

26300:14:17,889 --> 00:14:22,899secret space program and I gotta tell

26400:14:20,259 --> 00:14:24,879you that after having John Ventre who is

26500:14:22,899 --> 00:14:27,610another person that I respect a lot on

26600:14:24,879 --> 00:14:30,249my show I really truly considered

26700:14:27,610 --> 00:14:32,350becoming a member of MUFON and trying to

26800:14:30,249 --> 00:14:35,199become a field investigator maybe or get

26900:14:32,350 --> 00:14:38,369deeper into MUFON but after I saw what

27000:14:35,198 --> 00:14:41,109they just did having I don't know a

27100:14:38,369 --> 00:14:43,629


storytelling session instead of a real

27200:14:41,110 --> 00:14:46,209UFO conference this is supposed to be a

27300:14:43,629 --> 00:14:48,759scientific organization and they had

27400:14:46,208 --> 00:14:49,748these people stand there and tell these

27500:14:48,759 --> 00:14:53,678stories

27600:14:49,749 --> 00:14:56,048so basically MUFON just took everybody's

27700:14:53,678 --> 00:14:57,369money because to be a member of MUFON

27800:14:56,048 --> 00:14:59,558you got to contribute a little bit of

27900:14:57,369 --> 00:15:01,928money that's how the system works and

28000:14:59,558 --> 00:15:03,669hey listen I'm fine with kicking a

28100:15:01,928 --> 00:15:06,009couple of bucks for an organization that

28200:15:03,669 --> 00:15:08,318I think is doing good but if they're

28300:15:06,009 --> 00:15:10,289gonna take my couple of bucks and pay a

28400:15:08,318 --> 00:15:14,169bunch of story tellers at a so-called

28500:15:10,289 --> 00:15:19,899scientific conference on ufology I got a


28600:15:14,169 --> 00:15:23,289problem with that they just paid some

28700:15:19,899 --> 00:15:27,519people to be lecturers at their

28800:15:23,289 --> 00:15:29,139conference for 2017 you know I know I'm

28900:15:27,519 --> 00:15:31,959a little behind but I'm still catching

29000:15:29,139 --> 00:15:34,509up here on it because it's so shocking

29100:15:31,958 --> 00:15:36,548to me that they did this that it took me

29200:15:34,509 --> 00:15:40,568some time to really die think about it

29300:15:36,548 --> 00:15:43,119and digest it they took you know they

29400:15:40,568 --> 00:15:47,548have to take member dues to pay these

29500:15:43,119 --> 00:15:51,790people and they paid really three

29600:15:47,548 --> 00:15:54,100storytellers who have zero evidence of

29700:15:51,789 --> 00:15:56,759anything they're talking about zero

29800:15:54,100 --> 00:16:01,028proof of anything they're talking about

29900:15:56,759 --> 00:16:04,168zero documents that would back up


30000:16:01,028 --> 00:16:06,789anything they're talking about zero

30100:16:04,168 --> 00:16:09,668corroboration about anything they're

30200:16:06,789 --> 00:16:12,219talking about three people were paid by

30300:16:09,668 --> 00:16:13,208MUFON to come there and tell ridiculous

30400:16:12,220 --> 00:16:15,360stories

30500:16:13,208 --> 00:16:19,899these stories ranged from i

30600:16:15,360 --> 00:16:22,480time-traveled when i was a child i you

30700:16:19,899 --> 00:16:25,808know one guys talking about

30800:16:22,480 --> 00:16:30,360he took a teleport system to Mars with

30900:16:25,808 --> 00:16:33,399Barack Obama I mean really you your

31000:16:30,360 --> 00:16:35,259people are contributing to MUFON and

31100:16:33,399 --> 00:16:38,589they're paying somebody to go to their

31200:16:35,259 --> 00:16:43,659national your yearly conference

31300:16:38,589 --> 00:16:47,019who's saying I took a teleport system to

314


00:16:43,659 --> 00:16:50,318Mars with a young Barack Obama and this

31500:16:47,019 --> 00:16:53,019guy has zero evidence zero proof of any

31600:16:50,318 --> 00:16:56,828of the shit that he's bullshit that he's

31700:16:53,019 --> 00:17:00,519selling why is a so-called scientific

31800:16:56,828 --> 00:17:03,099organization even allowing that and so

31900:17:00,519 --> 00:17:06,038I'd like to call on the leadership of

32000:17:03,100 --> 00:17:08,709MUFON to explain that because you know

32100:17:06,038 --> 00:17:10,179there are only explanation as well we're

32200:17:08,709 --> 00:17:12,220putting this information out there and

32300:17:10,179 --> 00:17:15,730people can form their own opinions no

32400:17:12,220 --> 00:17:17,078this is bullshit and then we have you

32500:17:15,730 --> 00:17:19,568know I'm not even going to name them

32600:17:17,078 --> 00:17:21,548because I don't want to contribute to

32700:17:19,568 --> 00:17:23,230their fame because that's all they're

32800:17:21,548 --> 00:17:25,509


looking for they're looking for money

32900:17:23,230 --> 00:17:29,980and fame but then we got another guy

33000:17:25,509 --> 00:17:32,319who's claiming that he had a Nordic

33100:17:29,980 --> 00:17:34,798alien secretary who is giving him

33200:17:32,319 --> 00:17:40,210secrets and telling him what to say and

33300:17:34,798 --> 00:17:44,918reptilian Nazi UFO craft and and and

33400:17:40,210 --> 00:17:47,740again all this other crap and that guy's

33500:17:44,919 --> 00:17:50,190got a doctor now making FOIA requests

33600:17:47,740 --> 00:17:52,710trying to back up what he's saying and

33700:17:50,190 --> 00:17:58,840what I have to say about that is all

33800:17:52,710 --> 00:18:01,690that dr. a PhD which really is piled

33900:17:58,839 --> 00:18:04,480high and deep and bullshit that's that's

34000:18:01,690 --> 00:18:07,330what that doctor there's a doctor at the

34100:18:04,480 --> 00:18:10,960MUFON conference saying law I did these

34200:18:07,329 --> 00:18:15,189for your requests and you know we've


34300:18:10,960 --> 00:18:16,620proven much of his statements no you

34400:18:15,190 --> 00:18:19,960proved that he worked for the military

34500:18:16,619 --> 00:18:25,489he could have been a dishwasher on a

34600:18:19,960 --> 00:18:28,400navy ship for his entire Navy career

34700:18:25,490 --> 00:18:33,079you didn't prove that he somehow had

34800:18:28,400 --> 00:18:35,000access to reptilian Nazi UFO flying

34900:18:33,079 --> 00:18:38,750saucers because that's what he's

35000:18:35,000 --> 00:18:40,190claiming or any of his ridiculous claims

35100:18:38,750 --> 00:18:40,940he just proved that he was in the

35200:18:40,190 --> 00:18:42,558military

35300:18:40,940 --> 00:18:45,860good for you you proved that he was in

35400:18:42,558 --> 00:18:48,799the military that's some bullshit and

35500:18:45,859 --> 00:18:53,529the fact that MUFON is taking members

35600:18:48,799 --> 00:18:56,599money and paying idiots like this to


35700:18:53,529 --> 00:18:59,750tell stories at a so-called UFO

35800:18:56,599 --> 00:19:04,639conference is completely and absolutely

35900:18:59,750 --> 00:19:07,069ridiculous and they lost every little

36000:19:04,640 --> 00:19:09,559bit of respect and dignity that they

36100:19:07,069 --> 00:19:11,599once had by doing this and I want to

36200:19:09,558 --> 00:19:13,579call on their leadership you can contact

36300:19:11,599 --> 00:19:17,480me you can come on the show and try to

36400:19:13,579 --> 00:19:19,730explain to me and my listeners why you

36500:19:17,480 --> 00:19:22,190allowed three idiots to go to your

36600:19:19,730 --> 00:19:25,250national conference and sell bullshit

36700:19:22,190 --> 00:19:27,110and worse yet you took the money of the

36800:19:25,250 --> 00:19:29,839people that contribute to your

36900:19:27,109 --> 00:19:32,928organization and paid these assholes

37000:19:29,839 --> 00:19:34,970what did you want drugs you're supposed

371


00:19:32,929 --> 00:19:37,190to be a scientific organization

37200:19:34,970 --> 00:19:40,039dedicated to the study of this stuff

37300:19:37,190 --> 00:19:42,799you're not supposed to be paying idiots

37400:19:40,039 --> 00:19:46,819that are telling bullshit stories and

37500:19:42,799 --> 00:19:48,889have no proof whatsoever and then

37600:19:46,819 --> 00:19:51,079there's also the biggest bullshit

37700:19:48,890 --> 00:19:54,230artists in the field today and they

37800:19:51,079 --> 00:19:57,079employed this guy all I'm gonna say is

37900:19:54,230 --> 00:19:59,299that this person is on Gaia TV telling

38000:19:57,079 --> 00:20:01,490all kinds of crazy stories about blue

38100:19:59,299 --> 00:20:05,389wavy and aliens and the fact that he

38200:20:01,490 --> 00:20:07,490somehow served in a secret space program

38300:20:05,390 --> 00:20:09,770for twenty years but then came back in

38400:20:07,490 --> 00:20:11,509time and they aged regressed him so

38500:20:09,769 --> 00:20:14,329


nobody knew he was gone for the entire

38600:20:11,509 --> 00:20:17,329time that he was doing all of this it's

38700:20:14,329 --> 00:20:20,240such bullshit and he's gone Gaia TV

38800:20:17,329 --> 00:20:22,669being interviewed by a fake psychic

38900:20:20,240 --> 00:20:25,339asshole that took money from people

39000:20:22,670 --> 00:20:27,410giving fake psychic readings for years

39100:20:25,339 --> 00:20:30,519and years and to my knowledge still does

39200:20:27,410 --> 00:20:34,160and also claims to be Edgar Cayce

39300:20:30,519 --> 00:20:36,168reincarnated come on guys really this is

39400:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,669supposed to be a scientific organization

39500:20:36,169 --> 00:20:43,619and you're employing people like this

39600:20:38,669 --> 00:20:47,070what has this field devolved into the

39700:20:43,618 --> 00:20:48,988this is absolutely ridiculous that we

39800:20:47,069 --> 00:20:50,460even have to address this with the

39900:20:48,989 --> 00:20:53,788so-called leadership of this


40000:20:50,460 --> 00:20:56,369organization you know growing up I had

40100:20:53,788 --> 00:20:58,769respect for that organization but after

40200:20:56,368 --> 00:21:02,220I saw this I would never give them a

40300:20:58,769 --> 00:21:04,319penny of my money because I don't want

40400:21:02,220 --> 00:21:06,269them to turn around and give any of my

40500:21:04,319 --> 00:21:08,339money to a bunch of storytelling

40600:21:06,269 --> 00:21:12,149bullshit artists fake psychic

40700:21:08,339 --> 00:21:14,939interviewed assholes this is ridiculous

40800:21:12,148 --> 00:21:16,918and I call on every MUFON member to

40900:21:14,940 --> 00:21:18,830contact your leadership and tell them

41000:21:16,919 --> 00:21:23,070that this is not acceptable

41100:21:18,829 --> 00:21:25,589MUFON in my view just lost every bit of

41200:21:23,069 --> 00:21:29,908credibility that they once might have

41300:21:25,589 --> 00:21:33,720had by doing something so ridiculous now


41400:21:29,909 --> 00:21:36,509to their credit they had a hero on that

41500:21:33,720 --> 00:21:39,089stage along with these bullshit artists

41600:21:36,509 --> 00:21:43,649and I gotta say that I admire his

41700:21:39,089 --> 00:21:46,079courage and his conviction and that is

41800:21:43,648 --> 00:21:51,238Richard Dolan a real researcher author

41900:21:46,079 --> 00:21:54,509and historian now when I I suppose or

42000:21:51,239 --> 00:21:56,340I've heard with interviews from him when

42100:21:54,509 --> 00:21:58,710he heard that he was gonna have to be on

42200:21:56,339 --> 00:22:01,618a stage with these people he kind of

42300:21:58,710 --> 00:22:02,940lost his shit and I would - how do you

42400:22:01,618 --> 00:22:04,558expect me to stand up here with these

42500:22:02,940 --> 00:22:07,129bunch of bullshit artists when I'm a

42600:22:04,558 --> 00:22:10,019serious researcher but to his credit

42700:22:07,128 --> 00:22:11,759Richard Dolan is one of my heroes he's

428


00:22:10,019 --> 00:22:15,179always been one of my heroes and you

42900:22:11,759 --> 00:22:18,149know what he's even bigger hero of mine

43000:22:15,179 --> 00:22:20,669because what he did is he went to that

43100:22:18,148 --> 00:22:23,008conference anyway and they gave him the

43200:22:20,669 --> 00:22:24,778option they said well if you don't want

43300:22:23,009 --> 00:22:27,899to be on the panel and the debate you

43400:22:24,778 --> 00:22:32,308don't have to but Richard Dolan he's

43500:22:27,898 --> 00:22:34,168he's a rockstar man he said no I have to

43600:22:32,308 --> 00:22:36,148I have to stand up here in this

43700:22:34,169 --> 00:22:38,190conference I can't let this go and

43800:22:36,148 --> 00:22:40,709Richard Dolan stood up there and

43900:22:38,190 --> 00:22:42,869basically called him bullshit artists

44000:22:40,710 --> 00:22:45,538and I have to say that he's much more

44100:22:42,868 --> 00:22:47,259diplomatic and polite than I would be

44200:22:45,538 --> 00:22:49,599


and I have to

44300:22:47,259 --> 00:22:52,299a also that my respect for this man

44400:22:49,599 --> 00:22:54,309Richard Dolan went up by a thousand

44500:22:52,299 --> 00:22:57,069percent because you have to realize that

44600:22:54,309 --> 00:22:59,529you know move on conferences is probably

44700:22:57,069 --> 00:23:01,599a good portion of his income he didn't

44800:22:59,529 --> 00:23:04,809need to do that he could have just kept

44900:23:01,599 --> 00:23:07,750his mouth shut not said anything but

45000:23:04,809 --> 00:23:10,240good for him man and and I'm so glad

45100:23:07,750 --> 00:23:12,910that he did that you know like he had

45200:23:10,240 --> 00:23:15,490the courage and the conviction to stand

45300:23:12,910 --> 00:23:19,360up to that and say this is bullshit and

45400:23:15,490 --> 00:23:21,700here's why this is bullshit and he you

45500:23:19,359 --> 00:23:24,309know I'm sorry to keep keep dropping the

45600:23:21,700 --> 00:23:26,950bullshit term he you should watch it on


45700:23:24,309 --> 00:23:29,829on YouTube it's you just searched for

45800:23:26,950 --> 00:23:31,7792017 MUFON conference debate and you'll

45900:23:29,829 --> 00:23:34,569get to see Richard Dolan stand up to a

46000:23:31,779 --> 00:23:36,670bunch of bullshit artists somebody

46100:23:34,569 --> 00:23:38,439needed to do that and you know what

46200:23:36,670 --> 00:23:41,289I don't think Richard Dolan is gonna

46300:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,640lose any income from having the courage

46400:23:41,289 --> 00:23:44,519and the conviction to do that

46500:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,680I think he's gonna gain income because

46600:23:44,519 --> 00:23:50,889everybody that I've talked to about this

46700:23:47,680 --> 00:23:54,460that's interested in this stuff has

46800:23:50,890 --> 00:23:56,740gained a thousand percent more respect

46900:23:54,460 --> 00:23:58,509for him he's art he was already well

47000:23:56,740 --> 00:24:01,299respected but the fact that he risked


47100:23:58,509 --> 00:24:04,509like future income to stand up and say

47200:24:01,299 --> 00:24:06,369this is crazy and there's no evidence

47300:24:04,509 --> 00:24:08,589for any of these claims that all these

47400:24:06,369 --> 00:24:11,169people are making and this isn't science

47500:24:08,589 --> 00:24:14,019man he didn't need to do that you know

47600:24:11,170 --> 00:24:17,289he didn't need to risk future income but

47700:24:14,019 --> 00:24:21,009he did and I gotta say it just made me

47800:24:17,289 --> 00:24:23,829respect him more now I guess I'm done

47900:24:21,009 --> 00:24:26,349ranting but the point of my rant is that

48000:24:23,829 --> 00:24:28,480there's too many things in this field

48100:24:26,349 --> 00:24:30,730that are just filled with bullshit

48200:24:28,480 --> 00:24:33,430artists and we're gonna do our best not

48300:24:30,730 --> 00:24:37,660to give any bullshit artists to stage

48400:24:33,430 --> 00:24:40,210here at the midnight hour show so

485


00:24:37,660 --> 00:24:42,430tonight you know another part of my

48600:24:40,210 --> 00:24:44,769point is that we have Stan Gordon

48700:24:42,430 --> 00:24:46,930tonight and he's not a bullshit artist

48800:24:44,769 --> 00:24:49,750this guy goes out into the field

48900:24:46,930 --> 00:24:52,840he has documented evidence he does all

49000:24:49,750 --> 00:24:55,990these case studies on each event that he

49100:24:52,839 --> 00:24:58,869investigates and it and most of what he

49200:24:55,990 --> 00:25:00,109does is fact-based and you know he takes

49300:24:58,869 --> 00:25:02,569the witness testimony

49400:25:00,109 --> 00:25:05,269then he tries to corroborate it find

49500:25:02,569 --> 00:25:08,389other witnesses that saw the same thing

49600:25:05,269 --> 00:25:10,480that's the kind of research we need we

49700:25:08,390 --> 00:25:13,700do not need bullshit artists

49800:25:10,480 --> 00:25:16,250storytelling assholes trying to suck

49900:25:13,700 --> 00:25:19,519


money out of the community for telling

50000:25:16,250 --> 00:25:22,069stories we just can't have that it's not

50100:25:19,519 --> 00:25:26,440helpful to those of us who are trying to

50200:25:22,069 --> 00:25:29,269get to the truth of these things so I

50300:25:26,440 --> 00:25:34,308guess I should apologize for this long

50400:25:29,269 --> 00:25:38,029rant on bullshit artists let's move on

50500:25:34,308 --> 00:25:41,298for our show and get to the meat of

50600:25:38,029 --> 00:25:44,058things that's right my friends now we're

50700:25:41,298 --> 00:25:46,759gonna get to our guest our expert guest

50800:25:44,058 --> 00:25:50,329who is going to talk about Bigfoot and

50900:25:46,759 --> 00:25:53,179his possible relationship to UFOs and

51000:25:50,329 --> 00:25:55,129the extra-terrestrial phenomenon so

51100:25:53,179 --> 00:25:58,990without further ado ladies and gentlemen

51200:25:55,130 --> 00:25:58,990let's get to the mystery phone

51300:26:06,349 --> 00:26:13,829hello hello mr. Gordon


51400:26:09,480 --> 00:26:19,378yep it's Stan Stan I'm sorry it's Steve

51500:26:13,829 --> 00:26:19,798how are you doing yeah we're good we're

51600:26:19,378 --> 00:26:23,548good

51700:26:19,798 --> 00:26:24,750hey I want you once you get this posted

51800:26:23,548 --> 00:26:27,000send me your link and I'll put on my

51900:26:24,750 --> 00:26:30,480website for you yeah that's awesome

52000:26:27,000 --> 00:26:33,480so I guess my first question would be

52100:26:30,480 --> 00:26:37,048how exactly did you get into Bigfoot

52200:26:33,480 --> 00:26:39,778besides the UFO stuff well you know I

52300:26:37,048 --> 00:26:41,819started this back in 1959 when I was 10

52400:26:39,778 --> 00:26:44,700years old and how I got involved

52500:26:41,819 --> 00:26:48,298coincidentally made birthdays during the

52600:26:44,700 --> 00:26:50,788Halloween season and as a birthday gift

52700:26:48,298 --> 00:26:52,470my parents gave me a new radio and I was


52800:26:50,788 --> 00:26:54,898Tooting around the AM radio dial that

52900:26:52,470 --> 00:26:57,538evening and there was some radio show

53000:26:54,898 --> 00:26:59,939talk about unusual occurrences haunted

53100:26:57,538 --> 00:27:02,548houses and days to go bump in the night

53200:26:59,940 --> 00:27:04,830and ghosts and flying saucers and I was

53300:27:02,548 --> 00:27:06,960very curious as a child and I wanted to

53400:27:04,829 --> 00:27:08,369know if these toys were something that

53500:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,960people were making up but there was some

53600:27:08,369 --> 00:27:12,658truth to them so I began to make a lot

53700:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,669of trips to my local library and I began

53800:27:12,659 --> 00:27:17,028reading all the books they had on UFOs

53900:27:14,669 --> 00:27:20,610and Bigfoot and other strange things and

54000:27:17,028 --> 00:27:22,230started doing my research on things that

54100:27:20,609 --> 00:27:24,959were reported in Pennsylvania and that's

542


00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:27,480how it all started wow that's great

54300:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,579I heard you you told the similar story

54400:27:27,480 --> 00:27:32,579about how he got into UFOs but how

54500:27:29,579 --> 00:27:36,388specifically did you get into Bigfoot

54600:27:32,579 --> 00:27:38,128cases well you know as as people were

54700:27:36,388 --> 00:27:40,109hearing about the fact that I was

54800:27:38,128 --> 00:27:41,969interested in these unusual reports

54900:27:40,109 --> 00:27:44,339around the area people are called

55000:27:41,970 --> 00:27:47,519beginning to contact me about anything

55100:27:44,339 --> 00:27:48,839unusual and mostly UFO sightings but I

55200:27:47,519 --> 00:27:51,839was getting calls on all kind of

55300:27:48,839 --> 00:27:54,439phenomena from haunted houses to strange

55400:27:51,839 --> 00:27:56,788creature reports including Bigfoot and

55500:27:54,440 --> 00:28:00,538that's how it all began so in the late

55600:27:56,788 --> 00:28:02,369


60s I began to look into you know a lot

55700:28:00,538 --> 00:28:03,690of the Bigfoot reports as well out in

55800:28:02,369 --> 00:28:05,739the field you know I started out in the

55900:28:03,690 --> 00:28:08,500field investigating all these

56000:28:05,740 --> 00:28:10,779after the Kecksburg innocent

56100:28:08,500 --> 00:28:14,109my interest started you know years

56200:28:10,779 --> 00:28:16,329before that and again I began to track

56300:28:14,109 --> 00:28:18,369down reports as I was hearing about them

56400:28:16,329 --> 00:28:21,730began the study the history of Bigfoot

56500:28:18,369 --> 00:28:23,349in Pennsylvania and you know when you

56600:28:21,730 --> 00:28:25,538look into it I mean there's there were

56700:28:23,349 --> 00:28:27,250accounts going back to Native Americans

56800:28:25,538 --> 00:28:30,069and there was articles going back to the

56900:28:27,250 --> 00:28:33,2501800s and um the newspapers across the

57000:28:30,069 --> 00:28:34,779state so something large and hairy has


57100:28:33,250 --> 00:28:37,119been reported in the woods of

57200:28:34,779 --> 00:28:38,500Pennsylvania for many many years well

57300:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,199you know it's interesting that you

57400:28:38,500 --> 00:28:44,048mention that because I used to think

57500:28:41,200 --> 00:28:46,360that it was just Pacific Northwest was

57600:28:44,048 --> 00:28:48,849famous for this stuff but I happen to

57700:28:46,359 --> 00:28:50,678have a occasion myself and I don't want

57800:28:48,849 --> 00:28:53,649to say I saw a Bigfoot but I was on the

57900:28:50,679 --> 00:28:55,840Appalachian Trail in the middle upstate

58000:28:53,650 --> 00:28:57,909Pennsylvania somewhere I couldn't even

58100:28:55,839 --> 00:29:00,730tell you exactly where but it was on the

58200:28:57,909 --> 00:29:04,150Appalachian Trail and we got rocks

58300:29:00,730 --> 00:29:07,569thrown into our camp and then we heard

58400:29:04,150 --> 00:29:10,870these knocking noises and then from a


58500:29:07,569 --> 00:29:13,629very far distance I saw something hairy

58600:29:10,869 --> 00:29:14,229run off into the brush now was it a

58700:29:13,630 --> 00:29:16,270Bigfoot

58800:29:14,230 --> 00:29:18,610I don't know but that made me look into

58900:29:16,269 --> 00:29:21,250this stuff and I had no idea that

59000:29:18,609 --> 00:29:22,959Pennsylvania was such a hot spot yeah

59100:29:21,250 --> 00:29:26,200and in fact you know when I started to

59200:29:22,960 --> 00:29:28,569so many years ago I mean it was apparent

59300:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,220at that time that so many of the

59400:29:28,569 --> 00:29:32,500majority of really good bigfooting

59500:29:30,220 --> 00:29:34,480counts were coming from Pacific

59600:29:32,500 --> 00:29:37,599Northwest and Canada and areas along

59700:29:34,480 --> 00:29:39,069that line but now we seem to know from

59800:29:37,599 --> 00:29:41,019all the data that we've accumulated

599


00:29:39,069 --> 00:29:42,819interviewed hundreds of witnesses on

60000:29:41,019 --> 00:29:45,400Pennsylvania who've been seeing these

60100:29:42,819 --> 00:29:48,519things in the gemba late 60s especially

60200:29:45,400 --> 00:29:50,860during the 1970s and it's that time and

60300:29:48,519 --> 00:29:52,839I would say there's probably better

60400:29:50,859 --> 00:29:55,298documented probably more frequent

60500:29:52,839 --> 00:29:56,740Bigfoot encounters in Pennsylvania in

60600:29:55,298 --> 00:29:59,190the eastern part of the country than

60700:29:56,740 --> 00:30:02,509arisen the Pacific Northwest

60800:29:59,190 --> 00:30:05,820Wow yeah I never knew this myself but I

60900:30:02,509 --> 00:30:08,099into it and then I've saw I've seen a

61000:30:05,819 --> 00:30:09,539whole bunch of different stories and do

61100:30:08,099 --> 00:30:11,339you think it's just any place that's

61200:30:09,539 --> 00:30:14,129very remote like the Appalachian Trail

61300:30:11,339 --> 00:30:16,379


in Pennsylvania I mean you could go for

61400:30:14,130 --> 00:30:20,010like I don't know how many miles before

61500:30:16,380 --> 00:30:22,230you saw a road or a car or any kind of

61600:30:20,009 --> 00:30:24,319civilization it's very remote do you

61700:30:22,230 --> 00:30:26,460think it's just wherever is remote

61800:30:24,319 --> 00:30:28,319well you know we have Bigfoot reports

61900:30:26,460 --> 00:30:29,610from throughout the country and even out

62000:30:28,319 --> 00:30:31,079of a country is something somewhat

62100:30:29,609 --> 00:30:33,479similar has been seen for years and

62200:30:31,079 --> 00:30:37,439years and so much of Pennsylvania's

62300:30:33,480 --> 00:30:39,839covered Winson forests but yeah a lot of

62400:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,370Bigfoot encounters occur in rural areas

62500:30:39,839 --> 00:30:43,949and in the woods and forests of

62600:30:41,369 --> 00:30:46,649Pennsylvania there have been many many

62700:30:43,950 --> 00:30:48,690other sightings not really that far from


62800:30:46,650 --> 00:30:50,880populated areas in fact in somewhat

62900:30:48,690 --> 00:30:52,170populated areas but generally where

63000:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,870there is some woods nearby

63100:30:52,170 --> 00:30:57,360I mean urban sightings in the suburbs of

63200:30:54,869 --> 00:31:00,629Pittsburgh I sightings outside of

63300:30:57,359 --> 00:31:02,339Harrisburg can have many many populated

63400:31:00,630 --> 00:31:05,430areas even Philadelphia has reported

63500:31:02,339 --> 00:31:07,679incidents like this and they're not so

63600:31:05,430 --> 00:31:10,230well known and you know these sightings

63700:31:07,680 --> 00:31:13,350going all the time but there's really

63800:31:10,230 --> 00:31:14,759any publicity because it has something

63900:31:13,349 --> 00:31:16,919I've been familiar with for years and

64000:31:14,759 --> 00:31:18,480years with any of these phenomena so

64100:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,759many of the witnesses who see these


64200:31:18,480 --> 00:31:23,039things are still reluctant to report it

64300:31:20,759 --> 00:31:24,660now with UFO sightings you've got more

64400:31:23,039 --> 00:31:26,789and more people are coming forward and

64500:31:24,660 --> 00:31:28,950there's not as much ridicules there used

64600:31:26,789 --> 00:31:30,990to be but still witnesses who see

64700:31:28,950 --> 00:31:32,789something very close up are still

64800:31:30,990 --> 00:31:35,009reluctant quite often to talk about it

64900:31:32,789 --> 00:31:38,250publicly but with Bigfoot that other

65000:31:35,009 --> 00:31:39,960crypt is still very common for witnesses

65100:31:38,250 --> 00:31:42,029to contact me and other researchers and

65200:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,650first thing they're saying is you know

65300:31:42,029 --> 00:31:45,779you can think I'm crazy but this is what

65400:31:43,650 --> 00:31:48,360I saw and don't use my name I mean

65500:31:45,779 --> 00:31:49,859that's very very common and these people

656


00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:52,399really have nothing to see they're just

65700:31:49,859 --> 00:31:55,139trying to find out what they saw well

65800:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,940how many cases a year do you think that

65900:31:55,140 --> 00:32:00,380you get reports of where you are because

66000:31:56,940 --> 00:32:04,410I should explain to my listeners that

66100:32:00,380 --> 00:32:06,990Stan you're in a lot moral more rural

66200:32:04,410 --> 00:32:08,700area than me where where exactly do you

66300:32:06,990 --> 00:32:11,609live and where are these reports coming

66400:32:08,700 --> 00:32:14,490from well I'm in Westmoreland County so

66500:32:11,609 --> 00:32:18,119I'm about 30 miles east of Pittsburgh

66600:32:14,490 --> 00:32:20,120and if you continue another ten miles or

66700:32:18,119 --> 00:32:22,319so you start you're going down towards

66800:32:20,119 --> 00:32:24,919Latrobe and up in the Ligonier and

66900:32:22,319 --> 00:32:27,809you're in the vicinity of the famous

67000:32:24,920 --> 00:32:30,630


Chestnut Ridge area the Chestnut Ridge

67100:32:27,809 --> 00:32:33,419is a mountain range it extends from

67200:32:30,630 --> 00:32:35,250Preston County West Virginia covers

67300:32:33,420 --> 00:32:37,500about a hundred miles and goes into

67400:32:35,250 --> 00:32:40,309Westmoreland Fayette an Indiana County

67500:32:37,500 --> 00:32:42,990and southwest PA it is historically

67600:32:40,309 --> 00:32:45,720probably one of the most active areas in

67700:32:42,990 --> 00:32:47,759the country for repeated Bigfoot

67800:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,589sightings and other phenomena UFO

67900:32:47,759 --> 00:32:52,170sightings other cryptid encounters

68000:32:49,589 --> 00:32:54,509mystery booms all kind of anomalies

68100:32:52,170 --> 00:32:56,130occur and have historically been going

68200:32:54,509 --> 00:32:58,379on for many many years along the

68300:32:56,130 --> 00:33:07,860Chestnut Ridge especially in parts of

68400:32:58,380 --> 00:33:09,240West Moore and Fayette County I've spent


68500:33:07,859 --> 00:33:10,849years you know I've been doing like I

68600:33:09,240 --> 00:33:14,160said I've been out in the field since

68700:33:10,849 --> 00:33:17,9391965 I had three volunteer research

68800:33:14,160 --> 00:33:20,040groups or actives beginning in 1970 and

68900:33:17,940 --> 00:33:23,309continuing to or I believe was the end

69000:33:20,039 --> 00:33:26,460of 93 and I'm working as an independent

69100:33:23,309 --> 00:33:28,049researcher says but my first group but

69200:33:26,460 --> 00:33:30,049it's called the West Warren County UFO

69300:33:28,049 --> 00:33:33,649study group and it was kind of unique

69400:33:30,049 --> 00:33:35,730that was the original group and then a

69500:33:33,650 --> 00:33:37,830consistent of other groups but they're

69600:33:35,730 --> 00:33:40,049basically the majority people involved

69700:33:37,829 --> 00:33:43,439were specialists got scientists

69800:33:40,049 --> 00:33:46,319engineers technicians police officers


69900:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,759former military intelligence people most

70000:33:46,319 --> 00:33:50,339of the people involved had some kind of

70100:33:47,759 --> 00:33:52,619specialized background and we did this

70200:33:50,339 --> 00:33:54,389around our regular jobs we were

70300:33:52,619 --> 00:33:56,429responding in a way I designed the group

70400:33:54,390 --> 00:33:58,890was to respond to these incidents 24

70500:33:56,430 --> 00:34:02,420hours a day and we did this in many many

70600:33:58,890 --> 00:34:05,370occasions and it started out small in

70700:34:02,420 --> 00:34:07,6101970 here in the Greensburg area the

70800:34:05,369 --> 00:34:11,719expanse of a Pittsburgh area

70900:34:07,609 --> 00:34:14,449and by 1973 we had expanded to cover the

71000:34:11,719 --> 00:34:17,480whole state of Pennsylvania and it was

71100:34:14,449 --> 00:34:19,849amazing the type of people who got

71200:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,490revolve dr. Hynek was the Air Force

713


00:34:19,849 --> 00:34:26,539consult on UFOs he kind he kind of gave

71400:34:22,489 --> 00:34:29,239it the title of and it was a title we

71500:34:26,539 --> 00:34:31,789gave was the fact that so many of the

71600:34:29,239 --> 00:34:34,428people who got involved scientifically

71700:34:31,789 --> 00:34:40,608they get anonymously because there are

71800:34:34,429 --> 00:34:42,108positions and I had worked they were

71900:34:40,608 --> 00:34:43,789working doing the same way because we

72000:34:42,108 --> 00:34:46,489had people like from Pittsburg area like

72100:34:43,789 --> 00:34:49,460from Gulf Research Westinghouse Alcoa

72200:34:46,489 --> 00:34:51,769and many of these people spent a lot of

72300:34:49,460 --> 00:34:54,230time out in the field with me many came

72400:34:51,769 --> 00:34:56,358in very skeptical but after a period of

72500:34:54,230 --> 00:34:58,550months and years interviewing witnesses

72600:34:56,358 --> 00:35:01,069seeing the evidence we gathered seeing

72700:34:58,550 --> 00:35:02,330


the patterns they realized like so many

72800:35:01,070 --> 00:35:03,880others that there was something out

72900:35:02,329 --> 00:35:06,980there we didn't have an explanation for

73000:35:03,880 --> 00:35:11,510well for these Bigfoot cases have you

73100:35:06,980 --> 00:35:14,240gathered any photographic or any any

73200:35:11,510 --> 00:35:16,040kind of physical evidence oh yeah we

73300:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,829over the years we've been a many cast of

73400:35:16,039 --> 00:35:20,449footprints and took photographs of other

73500:35:18,829 --> 00:35:23,119physical evidence we found at the scene

73600:35:20,449 --> 00:35:25,159I mean there were so many reports one

73700:35:23,119 --> 00:35:27,590book I wrote several years ago is called

73800:35:25,159 --> 00:35:29,989solid invasion the Pennsylvania for

73900:35:27,590 --> 00:35:33,230Bigfoot case book which focuses on this

74000:35:29,989 --> 00:35:34,819biggest outbreak in history of UFO

74100:35:33,230 --> 00:35:38,480Bigfoot sightings which happened here in


74200:35:34,820 --> 00:35:40,910Pennsylvania from 1973 to 1974 and

74300:35:38,480 --> 00:35:43,280luckily my first group was already set

74400:35:40,909 --> 00:35:45,529up and with my electronics background I

74500:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,630set up an elaborate radio communication

74600:35:45,530 --> 00:35:50,119center in my home and I set up a two-way

74700:35:47,630 --> 00:35:51,950radio dispatch system so we could radio

74800:35:50,119 --> 00:35:53,630dispatch some of the investigators out

74900:35:51,949 --> 00:35:57,439to some of these areas very quickly and

75000:35:53,630 --> 00:35:59,590that came in very I became very helpful

75100:35:57,440 --> 00:36:02,750over the times we were using this and

75200:35:59,590 --> 00:36:05,690this outbreak was just amazing I mean it

75300:36:02,750 --> 00:36:08,030started with there's a major UFO event

75400:36:05,690 --> 00:36:09,829that started January 1st and continued

75500:36:08,030 --> 00:36:11,600to the last day of the year with


75600:36:09,829 --> 00:36:13,119hundreds and hundreds of UFO sightings

75700:36:11,599 --> 00:36:15,308coming in and and of course

75800:36:13,119 --> 00:36:17,318you know I said this many times in the

75900:36:15,309 --> 00:36:19,690past when I began to go out into the

76000:36:17,318 --> 00:36:21,788field and at the same today a lot of

76100:36:19,690 --> 00:36:24,460cases whether it be a UFO or Bigfoot

76200:36:21,789 --> 00:36:26,259other paranormal incident they initially

76300:36:24,460 --> 00:36:29,048may seem very strange and unusual

76400:36:26,259 --> 00:36:31,358initially when you take the time to

76500:36:29,048 --> 00:36:32,949properly investigate them many are

76600:36:31,358 --> 00:36:34,719determined either natural or man-made

76700:36:32,949 --> 00:36:36,368origins so there's a lot of things you

76800:36:34,719 --> 00:36:39,189can explain especially with UFO

76900:36:36,369 --> 00:36:40,930sightings and now you know besides the

770


00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:42,970fact that we do with natural phenomena

77100:36:40,929 --> 00:36:44,318such as stars and meteors and plan and

77200:36:42,969 --> 00:36:46,449things like that the people

77300:36:44,318 --> 00:36:48,608misidentified now we've got to deal with

77400:36:46,449 --> 00:36:52,058as a Chinese lantern through mo control

77500:36:48,608 --> 00:36:55,239LED helicopters the drones that are

77600:36:52,059 --> 00:36:57,369flying around so that adds to the UFO

77700:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,649reports will turn out to the IFO reports

77800:36:57,369 --> 00:37:02,140identified flying objects by the year

77900:36:59,650 --> 00:37:05,318after year we're getting reports of

78000:37:02,139 --> 00:37:06,969large objects that are being seen some

78100:37:05,318 --> 00:37:09,759it's very low level that you cannot

78200:37:06,969 --> 00:37:12,159easily dismiss but going back to that

78300:37:09,759 --> 00:37:14,199major way back in the 70s but all these

78400:37:12,159 --> 00:37:16,509


UFO sightings and it was an amazing time

78500:37:14,199 --> 00:37:18,669I mean these objects whatever they were

78600:37:16,509 --> 00:37:21,099they were hovering low over roadways

78700:37:18,670 --> 00:37:22,809they were pacing cars there were landing

78800:37:21,099 --> 00:37:25,809reports where objects are on the ground

78900:37:22,809 --> 00:37:28,059it was just incredible cases we were

79000:37:25,809 --> 00:37:31,839investigating and then in the summer of

79100:37:28,059 --> 00:37:34,15073 we had this major outbreak of Bigfoot

79200:37:31,838 --> 00:37:37,838sightings which was unprecedented and it

79300:37:34,150 --> 00:37:40,450started not far several miles from where

79400:37:37,838 --> 00:37:42,219I live in a rural area behind the route

79500:37:40,449 --> 00:37:45,308off of Route 30 behind what was then the

79600:37:42,219 --> 00:37:47,588old Green Gate mall lot of rural area a

79700:37:45,309 --> 00:37:50,410lot of woods brown there at the time and

79800:37:47,588 --> 00:37:54,038I got a call from a relative imperson


79900:37:50,409 --> 00:37:57,879the incident was on July 31st of 73 I

80000:37:54,039 --> 00:38:00,130got the call on August the 7th and this

80100:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,960man that evening was shaving in the

80200:38:00,130 --> 00:38:03,608bathroom as normal late at night the

80300:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,909window was open the bathroom was warm

80400:38:03,608 --> 00:38:08,558and smelled this funny goat or like

80500:38:06,909 --> 00:38:10,690rotten cucumber and he turned around to

80600:38:08,559 --> 00:38:12,700look at the window and he earned one of

80700:38:10,690 --> 00:38:14,759these two years glowing red eyes and the

80800:38:12,699 --> 00:38:17,230windows eight feet off the ground and

80900:38:14,759 --> 00:38:18,608the guy ran into the room and called

81000:38:17,230 --> 00:38:20,048some of his relatives and a

81100:38:18,608 --> 00:38:24,130and they smelled the odor beware the

81200:38:20,048 --> 00:38:26,739rules in the window was gone and he had


81300:38:24,130 --> 00:38:28,119some physical problems maybe as a result

81400:38:26,739 --> 00:38:30,849of that I went to the hospital when he

81500:38:28,119 --> 00:38:32,528got out a week later I went out to

81600:38:30,849 --> 00:38:34,509interview him and he was still shook up

81700:38:32,528 --> 00:38:36,998I interviewed some other family members

81800:38:34,509 --> 00:38:39,130as well found out some local boys are

81900:38:36,998 --> 00:38:41,889taking a shortcut to the mall several

82000:38:39,130 --> 00:38:44,380weeks before her disco motion in the

82100:38:41,889 --> 00:38:45,699woods figured it was probably a deer so

82200:38:44,380 --> 00:38:46,809I began to throw some rocks in the

82300:38:45,699 --> 00:38:49,239scares a deer out

82400:38:46,809 --> 00:38:52,119however they were very surprised to see

82500:38:49,239 --> 00:38:54,039the 7 8 foot tall hair covered creature

82600:38:52,119 --> 00:38:55,358with long arms swinging crossing a road

827


00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:59,589going up behind the house

82800:38:55,358 --> 00:39:01,028I interviewed those boys and went up to

82900:38:59,588 --> 00:39:02,349look on the property got permission

83000:39:01,028 --> 00:39:04,239looking on the property and some of

83100:39:02,349 --> 00:39:05,829these boys followed me up and I'm

83200:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,778looking around up there and hoping maybe

83300:39:05,829 --> 00:39:09,730I find something wasn't very hopeful

83400:39:07,778 --> 00:39:12,309ground conditions weren't very good up

83500:39:09,730 --> 00:39:15,190on that hillside and spent some time up

83600:39:12,309 --> 00:39:17,109there and I'm about ready to leave when

83700:39:15,190 --> 00:39:19,568I turn around and look on the ground and

83800:39:17,108 --> 00:39:23,498here was a partial track and then

83900:39:19,568 --> 00:39:26,170another very clearly defined weirdest

84000:39:23,498 --> 00:39:27,909footprint I'd ever seen which was 13

84100:39:26,170 --> 00:39:32,440


inches long and 8 inches wide and

84200:39:27,909 --> 00:39:34,239clearly three toed and I got on a radio

84300:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,858called one of my assistants he came out

84400:39:34,239 --> 00:39:39,429and we took photographs of measurements

84500:39:35,858 --> 00:39:41,108made a cast of that footprint and while

84600:39:39,429 --> 00:39:43,328we're out there in the field and doing

84700:39:41,108 --> 00:39:45,670this research we get a radio call that

84800:39:43,329 --> 00:39:47,619one of our investigators almost to the

84900:39:45,670 --> 00:39:49,749ohio line but in pennsylvania that

85000:39:47,619 --> 00:39:51,430morning was investing a case of

85100:39:49,748 --> 00:39:53,649something nine foot tall was looking in

85200:39:51,429 --> 00:39:56,199a window and police found very large

85300:39:53,650 --> 00:39:58,660footprints up in that area and so this

85400:39:56,199 --> 00:40:01,118began this major series of Bigfoot

85500:39:58,659 --> 00:40:03,159events that but encompass a lot of


85600:40:01,119 --> 00:40:06,690Southwest PA in other parts of the state

85700:40:03,159 --> 00:40:08,858for weeks and months into 1974 it was

85800:40:06,690 --> 00:40:11,048amazing time to live through it was

85900:40:08,858 --> 00:40:12,788getting it took on a huge amount of

86000:40:11,048 --> 00:40:15,119media coverage both local and national

86100:40:12,789 --> 00:40:17,499at the time from our investigations

86200:40:15,119 --> 00:40:20,048there are multitudes of Bigfoot

86300:40:17,498 --> 00:40:22,868sightings many in daylight Bay and very

86400:40:20,048 --> 00:40:25,130close range in some cases more than one

86500:40:22,869 --> 00:40:26,809creatures seen together

86600:40:25,130 --> 00:40:29,240there was many cases where there was

86700:40:26,809 --> 00:40:31,609physical evidence I trails of footprints

86800:40:29,239 --> 00:40:34,489some cases which indicated some great

86900:40:31,608 --> 00:40:37,250strength with trees for a small trees


87000:40:34,489 --> 00:40:39,258were uprooted as one ran through a pine

87100:40:37,250 --> 00:40:41,440forest out in Derry Township now we've

87200:40:39,259 --> 00:40:45,818got photographs under trees report out

87300:40:41,440 --> 00:40:48,500other things that we found at the scene

87400:40:45,818 --> 00:40:51,798documented a lot of information it was

87500:40:48,500 --> 00:40:53,989just amazing time and then it got much

87600:40:51,798 --> 00:40:58,518much stranger which we can get into if

87700:40:53,989 --> 00:40:59,929you want to you know I always I wanted

87800:40:58,518 --> 00:41:02,000to ask you because you're one of the

87900:40:59,929 --> 00:41:05,838people that talks about this UFO

88000:41:02,000 --> 00:41:07,989connection and you know I guess the the

88100:41:05,838 --> 00:41:13,909major theories of what this thing is

88200:41:07,989 --> 00:41:16,419either it's some cryptid you know some

88300:41:13,909 --> 00:41:21,308unknown creature that's natural or

884


00:41:16,420 --> 00:41:26,480something worse something

88500:41:21,309 --> 00:41:28,579extraterrestrial because of the UFO well

88600:41:26,480 --> 00:41:31,639yeah here's here's what I stress I'll

88700:41:28,579 --> 00:41:33,318get into how I became a part of this

88800:41:31,639 --> 00:41:35,358theory and it's something I was not

88900:41:33,318 --> 00:41:36,920looking forward to and not expecting to

89000:41:35,358 --> 00:41:39,798come across

89100:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,389I always felt from the time I got out

89200:41:39,798 --> 00:41:43,579into the field initially from the

89300:41:41,389 --> 00:41:45,288reports are initially from Pennsylvania

89400:41:43,579 --> 00:41:47,990in other parts of the country that

89500:41:45,289 --> 00:41:50,028Bigfoot if it existed and the evidence I

89600:41:47,989 --> 00:41:51,798began to find such essence people were

89700:41:50,028 --> 00:41:54,079seeing something out there and it was

89800:41:51,798 --> 00:41:56,329


probably some type of unknown primate so

89900:41:54,079 --> 00:41:58,910that was always the the main series that

90000:41:56,329 --> 00:42:02,059I was looking into until this series of

90100:41:58,909 --> 00:42:03,710events occurred in 73 and 74 you know

90200:42:02,059 --> 00:42:05,900you got to remember it's a different

90300:42:03,710 --> 00:42:07,970time period there's no internet there's

90400:42:05,900 --> 00:42:11,420not a lot of shows on TV at that time

90500:42:07,969 --> 00:42:12,980about Bigfoot people have to call the

90600:42:11,420 --> 00:42:14,990police to report something if they were

90700:42:12,980 --> 00:42:16,789afraid or scare of something going on

90800:42:14,989 --> 00:42:18,558and so many of these reports were

90900:42:16,789 --> 00:42:20,839initially coming in to the police and

91000:42:18,559 --> 00:42:23,750I'll some cases they were being referred

91100:42:20,838 --> 00:42:26,690to my group to investigate and so we

91200:42:23,750 --> 00:42:28,369were very very busy but as more more of


91300:42:26,690 --> 00:42:31,159these Bigfoot reports are coming in from

91400:42:28,369 --> 00:42:34,068widespread areas some of the reports

91500:42:31,159 --> 00:42:35,440begin to get very very strange for

91600:42:34,068 --> 00:42:36,849example

91700:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,619some of our teams will get out to a

91800:42:36,849 --> 00:42:40,480sighting location within minutes after

91900:42:38,619 --> 00:42:42,489it occurred and there will be a series

92000:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,019of footprints that would just suddenly

92100:42:42,489 --> 00:42:46,209stop and vanish when there should have

92200:42:44,019 --> 00:42:55,539been more tracks that was something was

92300:42:46,210 --> 00:42:57,840very unusual yeah we know why what's

92400:42:55,539 --> 00:42:57,840going on

92500:42:58,139 --> 00:43:05,679okay and anyhow

92600:43:02,079 --> 00:43:07,779a man called us at that time and said he


92700:43:05,679 --> 00:43:09,250had a fairly new car and it was riding

92800:43:07,780 --> 00:43:11,200in a rural road and there's a large

92900:43:09,250 --> 00:43:13,900hairy man-like creature ran out in front

93000:43:11,199 --> 00:43:15,250of his car and at that point his his

93100:43:13,900 --> 00:43:17,320motor began to sputter

93200:43:15,250 --> 00:43:18,820and as the thing ran off into the woods

93300:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,070everything came back to normal

93400:43:18,820 --> 00:43:23,200and we thought that's pretty strange and

93500:43:21,070 --> 00:43:28,210unusual and then we began to get a

93600:43:23,199 --> 00:43:31,059pattern of reports well for example

93700:43:28,210 --> 00:43:33,159people would see strange lights or

93800:43:31,059 --> 00:43:36,250strange objects in a certain area and

93900:43:33,159 --> 00:43:38,980within minused hours later there would

94000:43:36,250 --> 00:43:41,889be a Bigfoot sighting or vice versa and

941


00:43:38,980 --> 00:43:45,820then we had some of the most amazing

94200:43:41,889 --> 00:43:48,489cases where UFOs and Bigfoot were seen

94300:43:45,820 --> 00:43:50,320together at the same time in place and

94400:43:48,489 --> 00:43:52,359here's what I want to stress you know

94500:43:50,320 --> 00:43:55,030first of all there are many theories of

94600:43:52,360 --> 00:43:57,039what the unknown category of UFOs are we

94700:43:55,030 --> 00:43:58,480just don't know for sure you know some

94800:43:57,039 --> 00:44:00,849of the theories are that these are

94900:43:58,480 --> 00:44:03,639extraterrestrial spacecraft and maybe

95000:44:00,849 --> 00:44:05,650some of them are is a more I'm looking

95100:44:03,639 --> 00:44:07,029to this phenomena the more I'm gearing

95200:44:05,650 --> 00:44:08,500towards the possibly gentle with

95300:44:07,030 --> 00:44:10,900something for a better term that's

95400:44:08,500 --> 00:44:13,119interdimensional that's something that

95500:44:10,900 --> 00:44:15,849


comes in for a physical reality under

95600:44:13,119 --> 00:44:19,029certain conditions here's me physically

95700:44:15,849 --> 00:44:20,799solid and then it's just gone appears

95800:44:19,030 --> 00:44:22,930and disappears by the least physical

95900:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,090evidence physical traces you know are we

96000:44:22,929 --> 00:44:27,699done with time travelers I know natural

96100:44:25,090 --> 00:44:29,500phenomena we just don't know so when I

96200:44:27,699 --> 00:44:32,259tell you about some of these cases that

96300:44:29,500 --> 00:44:34,588I'll be mentioning to you I'm not

96400:44:32,260 --> 00:44:36,239suggesting that Bigfoot is an alien

96500:44:34,588 --> 00:44:37,739maybe it is I'm not suggesting that

96600:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,389because I don't know what we're dealing

96700:44:37,739 --> 00:44:41,369with we're dealing with something and

96800:44:39,389 --> 00:44:43,828I'd the more I look into it I think it's

96900:44:41,369 --> 00:44:46,170a much more strange a much more complex


97000:44:43,829 --> 00:44:47,999than many of us wish to farm a phenomena

97100:44:46,170 --> 00:44:50,999to be but I have to go where the

97200:44:47,998 --> 00:44:53,308evidence leads us and it's really means

97300:44:50,998 --> 00:44:55,288that indicate that we in some case with

97400:44:53,309 --> 00:44:56,278Bigfoot we may be dealing with something

97500:44:55,289 --> 00:44:58,559that's other than a normal

97600:44:56,278 --> 00:44:59,759flesh-and-blood animal so if you want to

97700:44:58,559 --> 00:45:02,910be glad to tell you about some of the

97800:44:59,759 --> 00:45:04,289cases yeah and you know I think that

97900:45:02,909 --> 00:45:06,719would explain why

98000:45:04,289 --> 00:45:09,150maybe there's never been bodies found or

98100:45:06,719 --> 00:45:11,219anything like that right yep and and

98200:45:09,150 --> 00:45:14,489I'll tell you about one specific case

98300:45:11,219 --> 00:45:16,798which was the case that convinced me


98400:45:14,489 --> 00:45:19,048that we're dealing with something other

98500:45:16,798 --> 00:45:21,119than a flesh-and-blood animal but just

98600:45:19,048 --> 00:45:24,150to give you an example of some of the

98700:45:21,119 --> 00:45:26,369cases that you know we got with and

98800:45:24,150 --> 00:45:31,650identities and deep great deep on my

98900:45:26,369 --> 00:45:34,719silent invasion book but for example

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99700:46:07,619 --> 00:46:12,150Pennsylvania and it has a lot of cases

998


00:46:10,139 --> 00:46:14,909where people are physically very close

99900:46:12,150 --> 00:46:17,489to UFOs and other cryptids such as

100000:46:14,909 --> 00:46:19,048Bigfoot gigantic bird sightings which

100100:46:17,489 --> 00:46:21,269would get more and more of what you call

100200:46:19,048 --> 00:46:25,018Thunderbirds Black Panthers other

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100900:46:37,079 --> 00:46:40,859weirdest cases you ever read about

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101300:46:43,960 --> 00:46:49,000encounters Pennsylvania's unknown

101400:46:46,329 --> 00:46:52,269creatures which get into many types of

101500:46:49,000 --> 00:46:55,300cryptids from Bigfoot to the giant birds

101600:46:52,269 --> 00:46:57,519to water creatures all kind of very very

101700:46:55,300 --> 00:46:58,930weird entities and some of these I'll

101800:46:57,519 --> 00:47:01,389bet that most people never even heard of

101900:46:58,929 --> 00:47:03,190before so there's a very strange and

102000:47:01,389 --> 00:47:05,170some of these are very recent cases as

102100:47:03,190 --> 00:47:09,659well so they can go to amazon.com

102200:47:05,170 --> 00:47:09,659barnesandnoble.com to pick up the books

102300:47:20,039 --> 00:47:26,190anybody wants an autograph that's

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102500:47:32,849 --> 00:47:37,150yeah do you want you want to talk more

102600:47:35,320 --> 00:47:44,500about the order unusual reports first


102700:47:37,150 --> 00:47:47,680ones are about some reason okay well

102800:47:44,500 --> 00:47:50,050going back to that outbreak in 73 and 74

102900:47:47,679 --> 00:47:53,319say here's some really interesting cases

103000:47:50,050 --> 00:47:56,970for example one of the first reports I

103100:47:53,320 --> 00:47:59,200got was an artisan 73 from a rural area

103200:47:56,969 --> 00:48:01,299several miles from where I lived from

103300:47:59,199 --> 00:48:03,549the person of all was the wife of a

103400:48:01,300 --> 00:48:05,680prominent doctor she had seen a large

103500:48:03,550 --> 00:48:07,240bloomerang shaped object hovering low

103600:48:05,679 --> 00:48:10,269over the wooded area where she lived

103700:48:07,239 --> 00:48:12,099that evening that afternoon and had

103800:48:10,269 --> 00:48:14,920never seen like it before then several

103900:48:12,099 --> 00:48:17,079hours later she hears gunshots down the

104000:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,430street and finds out later that her


104100:48:17,079 --> 00:48:20,739neighbor went out in the back to see

104200:48:18,429 --> 00:48:23,079what was frightening the bog to see this

104300:48:20,739 --> 00:48:24,729large hairy bigfoot-like thing chasing

104400:48:23,079 --> 00:48:26,380their dog into the woods and fella

104500:48:24,730 --> 00:48:28,900grabbed his gun start shooting at this

104600:48:26,380 --> 00:48:30,579thing as I ran off into the woods so we

104700:48:28,900 --> 00:48:32,619thought that's fascinating here you have

104800:48:30,579 --> 00:48:34,809a UFO sighting a short time later in

104900:48:32,619 --> 00:48:38,440this area with us woman smelling this

105000:48:34,809 --> 00:48:40,480rotten sulfur like smell that she finds

105100:48:38,440 --> 00:48:44,050out about this Bigfoot encounter and

105200:48:40,480 --> 00:48:46,900then September 27th up in Beaver County

105300:48:44,050 --> 00:48:49,480north of Pittsburgh there's two women

105400:48:46,900 --> 00:48:52,869waiting for a friend to pick them up

1055


00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:54,608and they see this huge scary creature

105600:48:52,869 --> 00:48:56,200cuddle and white hair you don't hear

105700:48:54,608 --> 00:48:58,869about these white creatures quite often

105800:48:56,199 --> 00:49:01,089but they still report on occasion and

105900:48:58,869 --> 00:49:03,700here's this huge creature running across

106000:49:01,090 --> 00:49:07,660the road towards the woods but in one of

106100:49:03,699 --> 00:49:11,230the ten it was clearing a sphere a ball

106200:49:07,659 --> 00:49:13,799of light into the woods and a short time

106300:49:11,230 --> 00:49:16,119later an object comes across the sky and

106400:49:13,800 --> 00:49:18,760projects a beam of light down into the

106500:49:16,119 --> 00:49:21,369woods where the creature ran into so

106600:49:18,760 --> 00:49:23,560that was very fascinating and then we

106700:49:21,369 --> 00:49:26,019had the case what I call the case of all

106800:49:23,559 --> 00:49:27,789cases if you had asked me what case

106900:49:26,019 --> 00:49:30,250


stands out of the thousands of cases

107000:49:27,789 --> 00:49:33,159I've investigated it would be this one

107100:49:30,250 --> 00:49:34,599case I'll give you the basics of a

107200:49:33,159 --> 00:49:36,579report we could talk for hours about

107300:49:34,599 --> 00:49:39,969this case it's probably the strangest

107400:49:36,579 --> 00:49:41,469thing on record and you know one thing I

107500:49:39,969 --> 00:49:43,389want to point out because I'm not sure

107600:49:41,469 --> 00:49:45,309if I did you know in all the years I've

107700:49:43,389 --> 00:49:47,769been doing this is going on 57 years of

107800:49:45,309 --> 00:49:50,139research now I have never personally

107900:49:47,769 --> 00:50:01,358seen a UFO or Bigfoot myself even though

108000:49:50,139 --> 00:50:04,480I've seen a lot of evidence but well I

108100:50:01,358 --> 00:50:06,369guess it kind of keeps me skeptical I've

108200:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,380seen enough over the years with the

108300:50:06,369 --> 00:50:09,970patterns and interview and the witnesses


108400:50:08,380 --> 00:50:12,280and seeing the evidence and I'm

108500:50:09,969 --> 00:50:14,230convinced that yes y-you can explain

108600:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,400many things there are definitely some

108700:50:14,230 --> 00:50:17,530things out there we join that

108800:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,960explanations for there's a lot of

108900:50:17,530 --> 00:50:22,030mysteries out there but it keeps me

109000:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,170skeptical and maybe someday I'll be in

109100:50:22,030 --> 00:50:25,540the right place or the right time and

109200:50:23,170 --> 00:50:26,050have my own observation but this case

109300:50:25,539 --> 00:50:29,829going back

109400:50:26,050 --> 00:50:32,500October 25th 1973 a lot of UFO reports

109500:50:29,829 --> 00:50:35,230in that 24 hour period coming in on my

109600:50:32,500 --> 00:50:37,179UFO hotline from across the state then

109700:50:35,230 --> 00:50:39,519about 10:30 that night I got a call from


109800:50:37,179 --> 00:50:42,429a state trooper from the Uniontown

109900:50:39,519 --> 00:50:44,289barracks up in Fayette County again you

110000:50:42,429 --> 00:50:47,199just come back from investigating this

110100:50:44,289 --> 00:50:49,090multiple witness UFO landing which

110200:50:47,199 --> 00:50:53,139involved two Bigfoot in the field at the

110300:50:49,090 --> 00:50:54,700same time and he was he thought to do

110400:50:53,139 --> 00:50:56,799was a good chance something was dropping

110500:50:54,699 --> 00:50:58,509that pastor he want me to send one of my

110600:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,230teams up there as soon as possible

110700:50:58,510 --> 00:51:02,810so it's late in the

110800:51:00,230 --> 00:51:04,130but we did we assembled a team we've got

110900:51:02,809 --> 00:51:06,259our equipment together our radiation

111000:51:04,130 --> 00:51:08,539gear our radios and other equipment

111100:51:06,260 --> 00:51:12,440found our way up to Fayette County

1112


00:51:08,539 --> 00:51:16,309during the early morning hours met a key

111300:51:12,440 --> 00:51:18,170witness and his father and better before

111400:51:16,309 --> 00:51:21,259that happened I had a chance to talk

111500:51:18,170 --> 00:51:23,358with a state trooper in detail and also

111600:51:21,260 --> 00:51:25,340one of the key witnesses and when I

111700:51:23,358 --> 00:51:27,559learned was that about 9 o'clock about

111800:51:25,340 --> 00:51:30,55915 people in that area in that little

111900:51:27,559 --> 00:51:32,570rural area they see this object in the

112000:51:30,559 --> 00:51:35,630sky it's about as big as a barn it's a

112100:51:32,570 --> 00:51:38,330bright red seer and it's about a hundred

112200:51:35,630 --> 00:51:42,170feet off the ground and slowly making

112300:51:38,329 --> 00:51:45,159its way down towards the pasture it's

112400:51:42,170 --> 00:51:47,750seen by the various people out there and

112500:51:45,159 --> 00:51:49,519it happened on this fellow's form and

112600:51:47,750 --> 00:51:50,900


has synaptic we coming in to visit him

112700:51:49,519 --> 00:51:52,489at the time and he sees this thing as

112800:51:50,900 --> 00:51:54,289he's coming into his dad's farm

112900:51:52,489 --> 00:51:55,759he goes up to a neighbor's and they

113000:51:54,289 --> 00:51:58,190watch this thing looks like it's kind of

113100:51:55,760 --> 00:52:00,290going to land in the pasture so he and

113200:51:58,190 --> 00:52:02,179two young boys decides they're going to

113300:52:00,289 --> 00:52:05,420go up to see what's going on he stops

113400:52:02,179 --> 00:52:09,589over to the dad's farm and grabs a 30.6

113500:52:05,420 --> 00:52:11,150and a handful of ammunition and they go

113600:52:09,590 --> 00:52:12,858out towards the pasture I'm making this

113700:52:11,150 --> 00:52:14,358brief but there's a lot of details when

113800:52:12,858 --> 00:52:17,239I'm getting not getting into at this

113900:52:14,358 --> 00:52:19,579point anyhow when they get up to the

114000:52:17,239 --> 00:52:21,589pasture they're standing there in


114100:52:19,579 --> 00:52:23,299amazement because about 250 feet away

114200:52:21,590 --> 00:52:25,640the objects on the ground are right

114300:52:23,300 --> 00:52:28,430above it but now it's not a complete

114400:52:25,639 --> 00:52:30,799sphere it's like a big white dome about

114500:52:28,429 --> 00:52:33,589100 feet or more in diameter it's making

114600:52:30,800 --> 00:52:36,200this high-pitched whining sound glowing

114700:52:33,590 --> 00:52:37,820illuminating the whole field here and

114800:52:36,199 --> 00:52:40,219they're hearing this loud baby crying

114900:52:37,820 --> 00:52:42,920sounds the dogs around the area going

115000:52:40,219 --> 00:52:44,000crazy and they're just standing there

115100:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,829they can't they can't believe what

115200:52:44,000 --> 00:52:49,760they're seeing well among that

115300:52:45,829 --> 00:52:51,469ammunition or two tracers so anybody

115400:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,150that hunts out there know that traces


115500:52:51,469 --> 00:52:56,629just give you like a luminous for us and

115600:52:53,150 --> 00:52:59,280trail when it's shot anyhow standing and

115700:52:56,630 --> 00:53:02,369watching this object and

115800:52:59,280 --> 00:53:05,280the attention soon joined about 75 feet

115900:53:02,369 --> 00:53:07,769away to a barbed wire fence because

116000:53:05,280 --> 00:53:10,530along that barbed wire fence there's

116100:53:07,769 --> 00:53:12,750these two tall dark figure slowly moving

116200:53:10,530 --> 00:53:15,120their direction one behind the other so

116300:53:12,750 --> 00:53:17,159that a fence post is six feet tall the

116400:53:15,119 --> 00:53:18,659one front about eight feet tall the one

116500:53:17,159 --> 00:53:21,269behind is about seven feet tall

116600:53:18,659 --> 00:53:23,969these things are by pedals are upright

116700:53:21,269 --> 00:53:25,980they're covered with long dark matted

116800:53:23,969 --> 00:53:27,629hair they have a large glowing green

1169


00:53:25,980 --> 00:53:30,750eyes the eyes peer-review about the size

117000:53:27,630 --> 00:53:32,820of a 50-cent piece glowing blue minutes

117100:53:30,750 --> 00:53:34,139green your arms are so long they're

117200:53:32,820 --> 00:53:36,780almost down to the ground

117300:53:34,139 --> 00:53:39,000they have no neck and they're making

117400:53:36,780 --> 00:53:41,340this whining baby crying sound and

117500:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,739they're slowly moving towards these guys

117600:53:41,340 --> 00:53:46,740and a one guy one kid is very very

117700:53:43,739 --> 00:53:49,109scared he runs out of the field the

117800:53:46,739 --> 00:53:51,419other ones from the older fella shoot

117900:53:49,110 --> 00:53:53,730him shoot him the guy finally takes a

118000:53:51,420 --> 00:53:56,059shot he takes this first shot at the

118100:53:53,730 --> 00:54:00,000tracer so you've got that luminous trail

118200:53:56,059 --> 00:54:02,159fires is the second strike it's also a

118300:54:00,000 --> 00:54:05,099


tracer but something really amazing

118400:54:02,159 --> 00:54:07,920happens when you find that second tracer

118500:54:05,099 --> 00:54:11,190the largest other two creatures lets out

118600:54:07,920 --> 00:54:13,700this large whining crying sound reaches

118700:54:11,190 --> 00:54:16,950out of hand as though to grab at that

118800:54:13,699 --> 00:54:19,649tracer and the moment it does that the

118900:54:16,949 --> 00:54:22,469object and field vanishes it doesn't

119000:54:19,650 --> 00:54:25,530take off it just disappears well that's

119100:54:22,469 --> 00:54:28,439the nomination so on that's amazing this

119200:54:25,530 --> 00:54:31,410guy this guy shot at the creatures

119300:54:28,440 --> 00:54:34,619themselves yeah he's firing right into

119400:54:31,409 --> 00:54:36,449the creatures at the same moment now you

119500:54:34,619 --> 00:54:39,960don't forget now the second shot was

119600:54:36,449 --> 00:54:42,359also just a tracer at that point well as

119700:54:39,960 --> 00:54:44,820soon as he fires that shot the creek big


119800:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,570object disappears the creatures turn

119900:54:44,820 --> 00:54:47,370around

120000:54:45,570 --> 00:54:49,470started walking along that fence line

120100:54:47,369 --> 00:54:52,380back towards the woods and the guy

120200:54:49,469 --> 00:54:54,299starts firing live ammo into them and

120300:54:52,380 --> 00:54:57,059this fella told me for years and years

120400:54:54,300 --> 00:54:58,510he said I'll never forget the biggest of

120500:54:57,059 --> 00:55:00,670the creatures stared

120600:54:58,510 --> 00:55:03,100as glowing green eyes as he's firing

120700:55:00,670 --> 00:55:05,920live ammo into it and appears to be no

120800:55:03,099 --> 00:55:08,559no types of response and not it's not

120900:55:05,920 --> 00:55:12,250injured it doesn't they don't slow down

121000:55:08,559 --> 00:55:14,529at all and at that point after he fires

121100:55:12,250 --> 00:55:16,869his shots into him they both run back to


121200:55:14,530 --> 00:55:19,180the truck go back to the farmhouse tell

121300:55:16,869 --> 00:55:21,699the family what happened take them to a

121400:55:19,179 --> 00:55:24,250neighbor called the State Police so when

121500:55:21,699 --> 00:55:26,439they when the trooper arrives 45 minutes

121600:55:24,250 --> 00:55:28,630later they go up into the field with the

121700:55:26,440 --> 00:55:31,510troop car they're looking around for

121800:55:28,630 --> 00:55:33,250evidence and they go over the area with

121900:55:31,510 --> 00:55:35,680the object have been on the ground and

122000:55:33,250 --> 00:55:38,019the trooper told me the whole area was

122100:55:35,679 --> 00:55:40,839self luminous and glowing about a

122200:55:38,019 --> 00:55:43,570hundred 150 feet in diameter the farm

122300:55:40,840 --> 00:55:45,160animals wouldn't go into it he said if

122400:55:43,570 --> 00:55:46,840he had a newspaper he could have sat

122500:55:45,159 --> 00:55:48,579down with in that area and read the news

1226


00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:51,250there from the glow coming off the area

122700:55:48,579 --> 00:55:53,559and that's just a short part of the

122800:55:51,250 --> 00:55:55,030story it gets even stranger and stranger

122900:55:53,559 --> 00:55:58,389which I'm not going to get into all

123000:55:55,030 --> 00:56:01,540right now but that was the main case

123100:55:58,389 --> 00:56:04,059initially that convinced me and my team

123200:56:01,539 --> 00:56:05,769that there was a lot more to the UFO and

123300:56:04,059 --> 00:56:08,230Bigfoot phenomena than any of us had

123400:56:05,769 --> 00:56:09,940ever anticipated and now we had to keep

123500:56:08,230 --> 00:56:10,539a much more open mind as to what we're

123600:56:09,940 --> 00:56:15,010dealing with

123700:56:10,539 --> 00:56:16,840and then this guy stranger he wasn't he

123800:56:15,010 --> 00:56:20,200was close enough to shoot at this thing

123900:56:16,840 --> 00:56:22,329oh yeah I mean they were getting pretty

124000:56:20,199 --> 00:56:24,009


close to him and they was coming along

124100:56:22,329 --> 00:56:27,009the fence line and he fired right into

124200:56:24,010 --> 00:56:28,270him after he fired the trace you find

124300:56:27,010 --> 00:56:31,170why they hammer went to him but there

124400:56:28,269 --> 00:56:31,170was no effect on them

124500:56:31,650 --> 00:56:39,329and that but that's that's was

124600:56:35,400 --> 00:56:41,430interesting however then as time goes on

124700:56:39,329 --> 00:56:44,159and more and more reports continue to

124800:56:41,429 --> 00:56:47,369come in then we had the case that

124900:56:44,159 --> 00:56:49,920convinced me that again Bigfoot in some

125000:56:47,369 --> 00:56:51,900cases may not be flesh and blood which

125100:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,130is why there's no bodies and I'll be

125200:56:51,900 --> 00:56:54,750glad to tell you that story if you like

125300:56:53,130 --> 00:56:56,880yeah I've always thought it was

125400:56:54,750 --> 00:56:59,010interesting that there's no bodies


125500:56:56,880 --> 00:57:01,410there's never body they never found

125600:56:59,010 --> 00:57:04,440bones I mean occasionally somebody finds

125700:57:01,409 --> 00:57:06,389DNA or hair but it always turns out to

125800:57:04,440 --> 00:57:08,760be a known animal or something like that

125900:57:06,389 --> 00:57:10,739what do you make it I and I've been

126000:57:08,760 --> 00:57:13,110saying that for years and and it's not

126100:57:10,739 --> 00:57:14,729just with Bigfoot I mean if you look

126200:57:13,110 --> 00:57:16,769into some of the cases my new book

126300:57:14,730 --> 00:57:19,650astonishing encounters there's other

126400:57:16,769 --> 00:57:21,119cryptids in there which suggest that

126500:57:19,650 --> 00:57:23,280they're also not a normal

126600:57:21,119 --> 00:57:26,429flesh-and-blood animal so we may be

126700:57:23,280 --> 00:57:28,800going with a phenomena again that under

126800:57:26,429 --> 00:57:30,179certain conditions and maybe there's


126900:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,730certain areas where this is more

127000:57:30,179 --> 00:57:34,829prevalent that these things come into

127100:57:32,730 --> 00:57:37,530our physical environment they're seen by

127200:57:34,829 --> 00:57:39,420people they look physically solid at

127300:57:37,530 --> 00:57:40,860times alien physical heavens and then

127400:57:39,420 --> 00:57:43,019they're going they come and they go

127500:57:40,860 --> 00:57:45,660where they come from where do they go

127600:57:43,019 --> 00:57:46,980but here's a mystic a said really

127700:57:45,659 --> 00:57:49,559convinced me there was something going

127800:57:46,980 --> 00:57:54,300on with Bigfoot that may be other than a

127900:57:49,559 --> 00:57:55,980zoological specimen February 6 1974 back

128000:57:54,300 --> 00:57:59,490up in the mountains of Fayette County

128100:57:55,980 --> 00:58:01,500again some Alissa's will remember the

128200:57:59,489 --> 00:58:04,649time period because we had gas rationing

1283


00:58:01,500 --> 00:58:06,630going on national trucker strike there

128400:58:04,650 --> 00:58:08,010was violence on the roadways across the

128500:58:06,630 --> 00:58:10,800country you might remember that in the

128600:58:08,010 --> 00:58:13,350news I don't know what their age is but

128700:58:10,800 --> 00:58:15,690anyhow it was a big time for people who

128800:58:13,349 --> 00:58:16,860are living and I couldn't get up to the

128900:58:15,690 --> 00:58:19,860scene to the next morning because I

129000:58:16,860 --> 00:58:21,960couldn't get gas because of the because

129100:58:19,860 --> 00:58:23,910of the situation in Pennsylvania with

129200:58:21,960 --> 00:58:26,340the strike the State Police and the

129300:58:23,909 --> 00:58:29,730National Guard were patrolling together

129400:58:26,340 --> 00:58:33,510they both responded to this incident

129500:58:29,730 --> 00:58:35,760this is February 6 1974 deep in the

129600:58:33,510 --> 00:58:38,850mountains of Fayette County not that far

129700:58:35,760 --> 00:58:40,710


from a higher pile and the story focuses

129800:58:38,849 --> 00:58:43,139on a woman who lived in the woods all

129900:58:40,710 --> 00:58:45,539her life she was a very good shot new

130000:58:43,139 --> 00:58:47,400animals very well really didn't fear

130100:58:45,539 --> 00:58:49,529much of anything she's sitting in a

130200:58:47,400 --> 00:58:51,480lesson heaven oh they're good with a gun

130300:58:49,530 --> 00:58:53,550I would say don't you think so look oh

130400:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,590good dad again I would think a lot of

130500:58:53,550 --> 00:58:57,810the people that live in rural areas are

130600:58:55,590 --> 00:58:59,340good with a gun right oh yeah well these

130700:58:57,809 --> 00:59:01,429people would wake deep in the mountains

130800:58:59,340 --> 00:59:03,900yeah so she's sitting there and she's

130900:59:01,429 --> 00:59:06,509watching television and she hears this

131000:59:03,900 --> 00:59:08,160noise out on her porch she had some pop

131100:59:06,510 --> 00:59:09,240cans out there and someone's not gonna


131200:59:08,159 --> 00:59:11,849pop hands around

131300:59:09,239 --> 00:59:13,589well she previously had had a pack of

131400:59:11,849 --> 00:59:15,719wild dogs comfort leash you thinking

131500:59:13,590 --> 00:59:17,490maybe the dogs are back so she thought

131600:59:15,719 --> 00:59:19,679you know what I'll just grab my shotgun

131700:59:17,489 --> 00:59:22,019and I'll load one sambar I'll shoot

131800:59:19,679 --> 00:59:25,409overheads and scare the dogs away so she

131900:59:22,019 --> 00:59:27,300grabs her shotgun loads a chamber walks

132000:59:25,409 --> 00:59:29,279over to the door run severs a little

132100:59:27,300 --> 00:59:31,830while turns on the switch for the perch

132200:59:29,280 --> 00:59:35,580light goes over to the front porch door

132300:59:31,829 --> 00:59:38,190opens it and steps out and there's no

132400:59:35,579 --> 00:59:41,309dogs but just a few feet in front of her

132500:59:38,190 --> 00:59:42,960is his huge hairy creature with his arm


132600:59:41,309 --> 00:59:46,108straight up over its animals I got

132700:59:42,960 --> 00:59:48,929surrendering and what if she drew she

132800:59:46,108 --> 00:59:52,019fires right into it she said there's

132900:59:48,929 --> 00:59:53,940this bright flash of light like a strobe

133000:59:52,019 --> 00:59:55,980light a camera or a flash on the camera

133100:59:53,940 --> 00:59:58,500and it disappears right in front of her

133200:59:55,980 --> 01:00:00,179you know it was interesting too and I

133300:59:58,500 --> 01:00:02,670interviewed her numerous times and

133401:00:00,179 --> 01:00:04,230others interviewed her she never had

133501:00:02,670 --> 01:00:07,170recorded a Bigfoot she said I look like

133601:00:04,230 --> 01:00:09,000a great big hairy ape and the rest of

133701:00:07,170 --> 01:00:11,280the story is after she fired that shot

133801:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,079her in-laws lived a hundred feet away

133901:00:11,280 --> 01:00:15,720they heard the gunshot in court as to

1340


01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:18,150what she's shooting at she told them the

134101:00:15,719 --> 01:00:20,009sight of what grabs his pistol starts

134201:00:18,150 --> 01:00:22,829his mate waking as making his way up

134301:00:20,010 --> 01:00:25,170towards the home see some figures in the

134401:00:22,829 --> 01:00:27,059distance running up the road and as he

134501:00:25,170 --> 01:00:28,470gets close that he's surrounded by four

134601:00:27,059 --> 01:00:29,989or five hearing people with eyes like

134701:00:28,469 --> 01:00:31,519coals of fire

134801:00:29,989 --> 01:00:33,649and starts firing right into them and

134901:00:31,519 --> 01:00:34,849got runs into the cabin home and they

135001:00:33,650 --> 01:00:36,800look out the window

135101:00:34,849 --> 01:00:38,449and about the same time there's this

135201:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,310large object they sound like a big

135301:00:38,449 --> 01:00:45,429Christmas ornament hovering over the

135401:00:40,309 --> 01:00:48,019


woods at the same time well anyhow I

135501:00:45,429 --> 01:00:50,089interviewed the Maine State Trooper the

135601:00:48,019 --> 01:00:53,000investigating officer and the next day

135701:00:50,090 --> 01:00:54,800and he said I don't know what happened

135801:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,690up there but it's something very very

135901:00:54,800 --> 01:00:59,330strange was happening on their property

136001:00:56,690 --> 01:01:01,369he based that on something that I have

136101:00:59,329 --> 01:01:04,400seen in my investigators in some cases

136201:01:01,369 --> 01:01:07,850with the animal reactions people can be

136301:01:04,400 --> 01:01:10,610faked and fooled animals can't and in

136401:01:07,849 --> 01:01:13,309this situation that the horses and the

136501:01:10,610 --> 01:01:15,890cattle and the dogs in particular acting

136601:01:13,309 --> 01:01:18,440very very strange they had several big

136701:01:15,889 --> 01:01:20,659dogs I think one was an Eskimos Spitz

136801:01:18,440 --> 01:01:22,880think ever was a shepherd I can't


136901:01:20,659 --> 01:01:24,769remember but any I remember the trooper

137001:01:22,880 --> 01:01:27,260telling me when he got up there and

137101:01:24,769 --> 01:01:29,539everything was quiet the dogs wouldn't

137201:01:27,260 --> 01:01:31,640bark they wouldn't make a sound they

137301:01:29,539 --> 01:01:33,230were just scared petrified he said to

137401:01:31,639 --> 01:01:37,129one of the dogs who's inside of a

137501:01:33,230 --> 01:01:38,750shelter cage and he opened it up to try

137601:01:37,130 --> 01:01:40,460to get to let the dog out and the dog

137701:01:38,750 --> 01:01:42,858wouldn't move the guard dog should rip

137801:01:40,460 --> 01:01:44,659his arm off the dog wouldn't move and he

137901:01:42,858 --> 01:01:46,969said he's never seen you like it before

138001:01:44,659 --> 01:01:48,649how the animals are reacting and he was

138101:01:46,969 --> 01:01:51,319convinced something very odd happened at

138201:01:48,650 --> 01:01:52,849the scene Wow


138301:01:51,320 --> 01:01:55,010you know what just to play devil's

138401:01:52,849 --> 01:01:56,900advocate though how many of these cases

138501:01:55,010 --> 01:01:58,990that you've investigated was there

138601:01:56,900 --> 01:02:01,490footprints or other physical evidence

138701:01:58,989 --> 01:02:05,029because right what what what a lot of

138801:02:01,489 --> 01:02:07,039people say that are sort of naysayers is

138901:02:05,030 --> 01:02:10,040that it's a lot of stories and not a lot

139001:02:07,039 --> 01:02:12,289of evidence well first of all you got to

139101:02:10,039 --> 01:02:15,108realize these reports are coming in

139201:02:12,289 --> 01:02:16,608widespread areas they weren't you know

139301:02:15,108 --> 01:02:20,269some of the reports got in the paper

139401:02:16,608 --> 01:02:22,279after they occurred but many of the

139501:02:20,269 --> 01:02:24,320reports were never publicized majority

139601:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,810were never publicized they were coming

1397


01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:28,220from people who want a no publicity

139801:02:25,809 --> 01:02:30,139while some areas while there was

139901:02:28,219 --> 01:02:31,879sometimes certain areas like in Derry

140001:02:30,139 --> 01:02:34,309Township weather or numerous different

140101:02:31,880 --> 01:02:36,150people reporting a lot of odd things on

140201:02:34,309 --> 01:02:39,239their different properties

140301:02:36,150 --> 01:02:40,50099% of people wanted no publicity so

140401:02:39,239 --> 01:02:42,868nobody knew who they were they had

140501:02:40,500 --> 01:02:44,099nothing to gain I mean we were on the

140601:02:42,869 --> 01:02:46,140scene or the police are on the scene

140701:02:44,099 --> 01:02:48,298within minutes hours after it occurred

140801:02:46,139 --> 01:02:50,159so we're able to document this very

140901:02:48,298 --> 01:02:52,710quickly and documented what's going on

141001:02:50,159 --> 01:02:55,199you got to remember I had scientists and

141101:02:52,710 --> 01:02:57,210


engineers and trained investigators with

141201:02:55,199 --> 01:03:00,719me or police out there in a lot of cases

141301:02:57,210 --> 01:03:03,000I am the anthropologist with us we knew

141401:03:00,719 --> 01:03:04,379how to differentiate between real tracks

141501:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,298and fake tracks and yeah

141601:03:04,380 --> 01:03:08,039once the news got out there were some

141701:03:06,298 --> 01:03:09,690hoaxes and they were very apparent I

141801:03:08,039 --> 01:03:12,930mean you could tell the difference in

141901:03:09,690 --> 01:03:14,700the weight the structure the way the

142001:03:12,929 --> 01:03:17,250toes spread under ground conditions I

142101:03:14,699 --> 01:03:18,629mean we knew what to look for and what

142201:03:17,250 --> 01:03:21,028are things I always thought was

142301:03:18,630 --> 01:03:24,119interesting was the dermal ridges on

142401:03:21,028 --> 01:03:27,028some of those prints or you know

142501:03:24,119 --> 01:03:29,970sometimes there's actual like almost


142601:03:27,028 --> 01:03:32,309like a fingerprint the the the pattern

142701:03:29,969 --> 01:03:34,858of a print of a bottom of somebody's

142801:03:32,309 --> 01:03:38,609foot in these big huge tracks that's

142901:03:34,858 --> 01:03:40,199kind of hard to fake isn't it it is on

143001:03:38,608 --> 01:03:43,348the ground condition I mean some of ours

143101:03:40,199 --> 01:03:45,509was in dirt and mud you know clay all

143201:03:43,349 --> 01:03:47,160kind of different conditions so it just

143301:03:45,510 --> 01:03:49,079depended but some of the tracks I mean

143401:03:47,159 --> 01:03:51,328and some of the tracks you got you like

143501:03:49,079 --> 01:03:53,700the bone structure you could see you can

143601:03:51,329 --> 01:03:55,680see the depth of the toe I mean it was

143701:03:53,699 --> 01:03:58,588really amazing some of these cases and

143801:03:55,679 --> 01:04:00,719and we had some interesting cases where

143901:03:58,588 --> 01:04:02,548we had some hair samples that may have


144001:04:00,719 --> 01:04:04,259been significant but unfortunately back

144101:04:02,548 --> 01:04:08,278in that time period there was no DNA

144201:04:04,260 --> 01:04:09,660testing and we had one case up and I

144301:04:08,278 --> 01:04:11,130mention all this in my in this file

144401:04:09,659 --> 01:04:14,429invasion book could go in the detail

144501:04:11,130 --> 01:04:16,528about this one case there was involved

144601:04:14,429 --> 01:04:18,629some hair samples which was a pretty

144701:04:16,528 --> 01:04:22,858significant Bigfoot case there was a

144801:04:18,630 --> 01:04:25,380terrible odor to it and through another

144901:04:22,858 --> 01:04:26,818group we had dog they had contact with

145001:04:25,380 --> 01:04:28,470two of the leading scientists in the

145101:04:26,818 --> 01:04:30,798field at the same time and they were

145201:04:28,469 --> 01:04:33,558limited to what they could do but

145301:04:30,798 --> 01:04:35,509it was the only hair sample that it was

1454


01:04:33,559 --> 01:04:37,489so close to human but they couldn't be

145501:04:35,509 --> 01:04:40,188sure if was human or not as I recall and

145601:04:37,489 --> 01:04:41,719then another incident I remember getting

145701:04:40,188 --> 01:04:43,699a call from the State Police up in

145801:04:41,719 --> 01:04:45,619Indiana County well there have been a

145901:04:43,699 --> 01:04:47,509lot of Bigfoot sightings and this was an

146001:04:45,619 --> 01:04:50,479incident where there was a report of a

146101:04:47,509 --> 01:04:52,219Bigfoot being shot on a roadway and

146201:04:50,478 --> 01:04:54,879there was blood spots on the road they

146301:04:52,219 --> 01:04:57,739fought and they called my team up and

146401:04:54,880 --> 01:04:59,329that was a distance away but we got

146501:04:57,739 --> 01:05:00,708there late evening when we got there

146601:04:59,329 --> 01:05:02,660with a whole lot of people there to meet

146701:05:00,708 --> 01:05:05,268us different people who have been seeing

146801:05:02,659 --> 01:05:07,248


things up there state troopers I got

146901:05:05,268 --> 01:05:09,159there before we did and this thing had

147001:05:07,248 --> 01:05:12,048been before we got to this was at a

147101:05:09,159 --> 01:05:14,899rural area it was like an apple orchard

147201:05:12,048 --> 01:05:17,179and these people had just picked several

147301:05:14,900 --> 01:05:18,949baskets of big flesh apples and this

147401:05:17,179 --> 01:05:21,289thing came up and they're back perch

147501:05:18,949 --> 01:05:23,920that evening was taken home after some

147601:05:21,289 --> 01:05:26,390pop and whole apples in its mouth and

147701:05:23,920 --> 01:05:28,039this thing that makes us story shorter

147801:05:26,389 --> 01:05:30,199walked around the front of the house and

147901:05:28,039 --> 01:05:32,059walked across the road and when the guy

148001:05:30,199 --> 01:05:33,499had a clear shot he took a shot at this

148101:05:32,059 --> 01:05:36,739thing is two ran into the width and made

148201:05:33,498 --> 01:05:39,259this terrible screaming sound and he


148301:05:36,739 --> 01:05:41,599thought he hit it with his gun shot

148401:05:39,259 --> 01:05:43,759because we got blood spots on the road

148501:05:41,599 --> 01:05:45,859so there was some apple on the road and

148601:05:43,759 --> 01:05:48,019what looks like blood spots the State

148701:05:45,858 --> 01:05:50,659Police took the Apple with them but they

148801:05:48,018 --> 01:05:53,778left the blood spots for us we sent it

148901:05:50,659 --> 01:05:55,848to the specialist again through his

149001:05:53,778 --> 01:05:58,548other group and the closest thing I came

149101:05:55,849 --> 01:06:01,429up with was it was apple juice mixed

149201:05:58,548 --> 01:06:03,498with saliva it was not blood oh that's

149301:06:01,429 --> 01:06:05,929too bad I really hope that you got some

149401:06:03,498 --> 01:06:09,498Bigfoot DNA or some other proof like

149501:06:05,929 --> 01:06:11,420that but you know again you know one of

149601:06:09,498 --> 01:06:14,208the things after so many Bigfoot reports


149701:06:11,420 --> 01:06:16,309a year after year this goes on every

149801:06:14,208 --> 01:06:18,469year in Pennsylvania many many other

149901:06:16,309 --> 01:06:21,140parts of the state many other parts of

150001:06:18,469 --> 01:06:24,289the country other countries as well and

150101:06:21,139 --> 01:06:27,259you know nobody's you know very little

150201:06:24,289 --> 01:06:28,700really good physical evidence something

150301:06:27,260 --> 01:06:31,460just doesn't make any sense

150401:06:28,699 --> 01:06:32,989you know after so many many years of

150501:06:31,460 --> 01:06:34,909sigh going back to the Native Americans

150601:06:32,989 --> 01:06:38,179and this was a normal flesh-and-blood

150701:06:34,909 --> 01:06:41,118animal surely by now we'd have a body I

150801:06:38,179 --> 01:06:43,068have a Native American friend who I

150901:06:41,119 --> 01:06:44,990talked to about this and of course the

151001:06:43,068 --> 01:06:47,989Native Americans call and you know hairy

1511


01:06:44,989 --> 01:06:50,118man of the forest or Sasquatch and and I

151201:06:47,989 --> 01:06:52,879asked him why is there ever any bodies

151301:06:50,119 --> 01:06:55,460or whys and their bones DNA or physical

151401:06:52,880 --> 01:06:58,519evidence and what he told me is that for

151501:06:55,460 --> 01:07:00,460centuries his people have known that

151601:06:58,518 --> 01:07:04,219this creature walks with the spirits

151701:07:00,460 --> 01:07:05,990yeah yeah that's what so many of the

151801:07:04,219 --> 01:07:08,629different tribes around the country and

151901:07:05,989 --> 01:07:10,578we hear about these things appear to go

152001:07:08,630 --> 01:07:13,460more spiritual in nature not a physical

152101:07:10,579 --> 01:07:15,829entity and you know more and more you

152201:07:13,460 --> 01:07:17,750have to wonder yeah does it fit into the

152301:07:15,829 --> 01:07:19,970interdimensional theory like I said I

152401:07:17,750 --> 01:07:21,469have never seen one I have you

152501:07:19,969 --> 01:07:24,259


interviewed hundreds of witnesses I've

152601:07:21,469 --> 01:07:26,298seen a lot of evidence I was very much

152701:07:24,260 --> 01:07:29,150convinced for years that this was an

152801:07:26,298 --> 01:07:31,130unknown primate but now looking more and

152901:07:29,150 --> 01:07:33,470more at the data in so many cases I've

153001:07:31,130 --> 01:07:35,088come across and there's so many strange

153101:07:33,469 --> 01:07:38,058aspects to it you know I I started

153201:07:35,088 --> 01:07:40,429writing about the UFOs and the Bigfoot

153301:07:38,059 --> 01:07:43,099and the fact that sometimes in some

153401:07:40,429 --> 01:07:46,009cases and it's not as maturity cases but

153501:07:43,099 --> 01:07:48,019it may well be there's a lot more of

153601:07:46,009 --> 01:07:49,460these type of incidents going on around

153701:07:48,018 --> 01:07:51,919the country and around the world

153801:07:49,460 --> 01:07:54,679then we're hearing about because what I

153901:07:51,920 --> 01:07:56,809learned years and years ago is that many


154001:07:54,679 --> 01:07:59,149others UFO Bigfoot researchers were

154101:07:56,809 --> 01:08:01,490aware of these type of cases where there

154201:07:59,150 --> 01:08:03,440was a UFO Bigfoot scene together or in

154301:08:01,489 --> 01:08:05,179certain areas you would have a UFO

154401:08:03,440 --> 01:08:07,159sightings and Bigfoot activity or

154501:08:05,179 --> 01:08:09,169vice-versa but so many of them were

154601:08:07,159 --> 01:08:10,670reluctant to publish it because they

154701:08:09,170 --> 01:08:11,690were afraid of being ridiculed by their

154801:08:10,670 --> 01:08:14,539peers they wouldn't do it

154901:08:11,690 --> 01:08:17,480and I've heard that for years and years

155001:08:14,539 --> 01:08:19,279in more recent years I'm seeing more and

155101:08:17,479 --> 01:08:21,198more people in both fields especially

155201:08:19,279 --> 01:08:23,600the Bigfoot field beginning to question

155301:08:21,198 --> 01:08:24,948the same things that I have and are


155401:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,000beginning to look into the possibility

155501:08:24,948 --> 01:08:29,489that maybe some of these

155601:08:27,000 --> 01:08:31,560not so far-fetched after all and you

155701:08:29,489 --> 01:08:33,539know one thing that's been coming up

155801:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,710more and more weeks and years is that

155901:08:33,539 --> 01:08:36,778I've been hearing from Bigfoot

156001:08:34,710 --> 01:08:38,579researchers and from Bigfoot groups

156101:08:36,779 --> 01:08:40,410they're going out in the areas where

156201:08:38,579 --> 01:08:42,689there's a history of Bigfoot encounters

156301:08:40,409 --> 01:08:44,759searching and staking out areas looking

156401:08:42,689 --> 01:08:47,129for Bigfoot but instead of Finding

156501:08:44,759 --> 01:08:49,048Bigfoot they're seeing strange lights or

156601:08:47,130 --> 01:08:50,970strange objects and it just happened

156701:08:49,048 --> 01:08:53,100again a couple of weeks ago and it's a

1568


01:08:50,970 --> 01:08:55,740very detailed Bigfoot encounter which

156901:08:53,100 --> 01:08:58,380I'm glad to talk to you about yeah sure

157001:08:55,739 --> 01:09:00,929you know for that I wanted to ask you

157101:08:58,380 --> 01:09:02,699because I kind of honestly make fun of

157201:09:00,930 --> 01:09:04,640some of these Bigfoot shows on TV

157301:09:02,699 --> 01:09:06,899because it seems like they're just

157401:09:04,640 --> 01:09:09,450grasping at straws and there's never any

157501:09:06,899 --> 01:09:11,670evidence and you can watch 85 hours of

157601:09:09,449 --> 01:09:14,399that and honestly I have and it seems

157701:09:11,670 --> 01:09:16,170like very little evidence or even I

157801:09:14,399 --> 01:09:18,269believe some of those shows is hoaxing

157901:09:16,170 --> 01:09:22,220evidence or near encounters because they

158001:09:18,270 --> 01:09:22,220have to do that to keep the shows going

158101:09:22,729 --> 01:09:27,599be honest I don't watch a lot of the

158201:09:25,140 --> 01:09:31,109


programs I don't really have time you

158301:09:27,600 --> 01:09:34,020know I can tell you this there was a lot

158401:09:31,109 --> 01:09:36,509more activity I mean we've done a lot of

158501:09:34,020 --> 01:09:41,640really detailed research in the 70s 80s

158601:09:36,509 --> 01:09:43,920early 90s and we were finding a lot more

158701:09:41,640 --> 01:09:45,660evidence back in there in those years I

158801:09:43,920 --> 01:09:47,520mean especially back in the 70s we were

158901:09:45,659 --> 01:09:51,449find a lot more evidence in more recent

159001:09:47,520 --> 01:09:53,130years it's very rare for us or and I

159101:09:51,449 --> 01:09:55,710much with so many other researchers in

159201:09:53,130 --> 01:09:58,109Pennsylvania it's very rare to go out

159301:09:55,710 --> 01:10:00,210and find any really good solid physical

159401:09:58,109 --> 01:10:02,189evidence like we used to accumulate over

159501:10:00,210 --> 01:10:03,689the years I mean on occasion you get

159601:10:02,189 --> 01:10:06,389some footprints or something else might


159701:10:03,689 --> 01:10:09,449turn up yeah but it's not like it used

159801:10:06,390 --> 01:10:11,100to be for whatever reason Wow did you

159901:10:09,449 --> 01:10:13,019ever find it do you have in your

160001:10:11,100 --> 01:10:15,300possession besides the footprints I know

160101:10:13,020 --> 01:10:17,340you mentioned those did you ever find or

160201:10:15,300 --> 01:10:20,100do you have any hair samples or anything

160301:10:17,340 --> 01:10:22,289like that all the ones we had back in

160401:10:20,100 --> 01:10:24,570the early years were sent to labs and

160501:10:22,289 --> 01:10:27,479back then unfortunately the type of

160601:10:24,569 --> 01:10:29,729testing was a destructive testing so

160701:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,989they used the samples to analyze but

160801:10:29,729 --> 01:10:33,059there's no more samples left

160901:10:30,989 --> 01:10:33,960unfortunately what were the results of

161001:10:33,060 --> 01:10:36,600some of those tests


161101:10:33,960 --> 01:10:38,760well again the majority of them are

161201:10:36,600 --> 01:10:41,430identified as you know different types

161301:10:38,760 --> 01:10:44,280of rodents or other animals but that one

161401:10:41,430 --> 01:10:45,810sample that always kind of interested me

161501:10:44,279 --> 01:10:47,219was that when it came back I can't

161601:10:45,810 --> 01:10:50,280remember Jackie I wasn't written I wrote

161701:10:47,219 --> 01:10:52,469it up in my book but it was so close to

161801:10:50,279 --> 01:10:54,029human but they couldn't be 100% sure it

161901:10:52,469 --> 01:10:56,250was human here and we always thought

162001:10:54,029 --> 01:11:00,679that was the one hair sample we thought

162101:10:56,250 --> 01:11:00,680it was significant wow that's amazing

162201:11:01,520 --> 01:11:06,840yeah well this just happened again back

162301:11:04,289 --> 01:11:10,079in that area of Fayette County which has

162401:11:06,840 --> 01:11:11,940a lot of hits for years and years and

1625


01:11:10,079 --> 01:11:13,829year after year we're getting reports

162601:11:11,939 --> 01:11:15,929there as well as other areas of

162701:11:13,829 --> 01:11:18,079Pennsylvania but this reports has

162801:11:15,930 --> 01:11:20,520happened on May 10 so it's very recent

162901:11:18,079 --> 01:11:23,100yet initially it was reported to one of

163001:11:20,520 --> 01:11:24,210my research associates Jim Brown who

163101:11:23,100 --> 01:11:27,180lives in Fayette County

163201:11:24,210 --> 01:11:29,010and he wrote the report up on it you can

163301:11:27,180 --> 01:11:32,250go to my website Stan Gordon got info

163401:11:29,010 --> 01:11:33,930and read the whole report but this was

163501:11:32,250 --> 01:11:38,029around 11 o'clock in the evening this

163601:11:33,930 --> 01:11:41,039was in the area of Fayette County and

163701:11:38,029 --> 01:11:46,139this was on a one of those world was

163801:11:41,039 --> 01:11:48,329called mud pike and this occurred I

163901:11:46,140 --> 01:11:51,300


guess said around 11 o'clock on May the

164001:11:48,329 --> 01:11:55,61910th it was a very very heavy rain at

164101:11:51,300 --> 01:12:00,300the time and dollars are riding down the

164201:11:55,619 --> 01:12:02,159road and they saw it first what appeared

164301:12:00,300 --> 01:12:04,289to be a large hairy animal cross a road

164401:12:02,159 --> 01:12:05,969walking upright does not see it very

164501:12:04,289 --> 01:12:08,579clearly could not who wrought a bear

164601:12:05,969 --> 01:12:10,590walk on hind legs but they did get the

164701:12:08,579 --> 01:12:14,039attention of the people in the car and

164801:12:10,590 --> 01:12:15,600they slowed down to a call as a past

164901:12:14,039 --> 01:12:17,069area where they saw it he using a

165001:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,539flashlight the witness are trying to

165101:12:17,069 --> 01:12:20,549catch a glimpse of it in the woods below

165201:12:18,539 --> 01:12:23,640but they did not see it again but

165301:12:20,550 --> 01:12:25,440suddenly a second creature came from the


165401:12:23,640 --> 01:12:27,480bank on the left onto the path of their

165501:12:25,439 --> 01:12:30,059car about 20 feet ahead of them

165601:12:27,479 --> 01:12:31,949the driver immediately slammed on his

165701:12:30,060 --> 01:12:34,140brakes to stop with the creature clearly

165801:12:31,949 --> 01:12:35,369visible in the headlights 10 to 15 feet

165901:12:34,140 --> 01:12:37,900in front of the car

166001:12:35,369 --> 01:12:40,390the other witness had a camera son

166101:12:37,899 --> 01:12:42,039photos were obtained unfortunately I and

166201:12:40,390 --> 01:12:44,409Jim asked them describe the creature

166301:12:42,039 --> 01:12:46,689Lisa was about seven feet high standing

166401:12:44,408 --> 01:12:49,479upright on two legs with arms well below

166501:12:46,689 --> 01:12:52,269the hips and stared directly at the car

166601:12:49,479 --> 01:12:54,279the eyes glowed bright red it was

166701:12:52,270 --> 01:12:56,770covered head-to-toe with long black or


166801:12:54,279 --> 01:12:58,448very dark hair the hair was so long that

166901:12:56,770 --> 01:13:01,360no facial features going to be seen

167001:12:58,448 --> 01:13:03,698besides the eyes the body was covered to

167101:13:01,359 --> 01:13:05,979the point that no sexual features could

167201:13:03,698 --> 01:13:08,049be determined also netted were the paws

167301:13:05,979 --> 01:13:10,899of the pans which wear arrows and black

167401:13:08,050 --> 01:13:13,960no claws were observed the secret not

167501:13:10,899 --> 01:13:15,579seen at an angle of view since the hood

167601:13:13,960 --> 01:13:18,100of the car block the ability to see the

167701:13:15,579 --> 01:13:20,979ground at that close of a distance they

167801:13:18,100 --> 01:13:22,390detected no odors or sounds however the

167901:13:20,979 --> 01:13:25,178car windows were up in the rain was

168001:13:22,390 --> 01:13:26,739beating down hard on the vehicle the dry

168101:13:25,179 --> 01:13:29,079red stopped this choir and the creature

1682


01:13:26,738 --> 01:13:31,658flows watching him for a few seconds at

168301:13:29,079 --> 01:13:34,630that point the driver put the car in

168401:13:31,658 --> 01:13:36,549reverse and slowly started back up the

168501:13:34,630 --> 01:13:38,829creature took a couple of steps toward

168601:13:36,550 --> 01:13:42,190the car keep it about the same distance

168701:13:38,829 --> 01:13:44,890away as before the driver again stopped

168801:13:42,189 --> 01:13:47,738to calm and this creature did likewise a

168901:13:44,890 --> 01:13:50,230short time later the driver put the car

169001:13:47,738 --> 01:13:52,839in a low in low and began creeping

169101:13:50,229 --> 01:13:54,759toward the creature the creature stood

169201:13:52,840 --> 01:13:57,429still and did not move from the spot

169301:13:54,760 --> 01:14:00,070where it stopped it did put its arms

169401:13:57,429 --> 01:14:02,529forward as if to protect itself the car

169501:14:00,069 --> 01:14:04,569continued to move forward very slow to

169601:14:02,529 --> 01:14:07,059


the point where both people in the car

169701:14:04,569 --> 01:14:09,880could feel the car make contact with the

169801:14:07,060 --> 01:14:12,670creature it put its arm out and place

169901:14:09,880 --> 01:14:17,739his hand on the front of the car when

170001:14:12,670 --> 01:14:19,869the bumper was against its legs the

170101:14:17,738 --> 01:14:22,119driver stopped again and did not try to

170201:14:19,869 --> 01:14:23,920force his way through the driver said he

170301:14:22,119 --> 01:14:26,050was ready to shift to reverse again and

170401:14:23,920 --> 01:14:27,640to get the heck out of there

170501:14:26,050 --> 01:14:29,380and it was at the point that the

170601:14:27,640 --> 01:14:31,270creature moved his hands from the car

170701:14:29,380 --> 01:14:33,340took about one step forward the

170801:14:31,270 --> 01:14:35,290procedures walked into the woods below

170901:14:33,340 --> 01:14:37,869the road that was the last time it was

171001:14:35,289 --> 01:14:40,198seen the witnesses went home and he was


171101:14:37,869 --> 01:14:42,760contact the next day through his website

171201:14:40,198 --> 01:14:44,500very very interesting report he went

171301:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,850interview these guys both separately

171401:14:44,500 --> 01:14:48,399they both gave of

171501:14:45,850 --> 01:14:51,039similar detailed account and I can't a a

171601:14:48,399 --> 01:14:53,979Jim Brown is a very good researcher he's

171701:14:51,039 --> 01:14:55,539open-minded but very skeptical but he

171801:14:53,979 --> 01:14:58,359thought that these guys were very

171901:14:55,539 --> 01:15:00,369credible and he found no indication they

172001:14:58,359 --> 01:15:06,099want any publicity whatsoever so the

172101:15:00,369 --> 01:15:10,869interesting thing is that the local

172201:15:06,100 --> 01:15:13,780group went up there and I'm trying to

172301:15:10,869 --> 01:15:16,750think of the name is it's all think

172401:15:13,779 --> 01:15:18,639about here in a second but it was a


172501:15:16,750 --> 01:15:24,430local one of the local new Bigfoot

172601:15:18,640 --> 01:15:27,010groups went up to the area and anyhow

172701:15:24,430 --> 01:15:28,270they staked out the area they had been

172801:15:27,010 --> 01:15:32,789up in that area before because there

172901:15:28,270 --> 01:15:35,080have been a history for years of a

173001:15:32,789 --> 01:15:39,699Bigfoot encounters in that general area

173101:15:35,079 --> 01:15:42,430and anyhow they staked out the area and

173201:15:39,699 --> 01:15:46,569I'm just trying to find here and I know

173301:15:42,430 --> 01:15:47,860there's an update report on that and I'm

173401:15:46,569 --> 01:15:50,049trying to find it but anyhow they're

173501:15:47,859 --> 01:15:52,029staking out the area and I believe they

173601:15:50,050 --> 01:15:53,380heard some odd sounds I don't have a

173701:15:52,029 --> 01:15:58,840whole report here and right in front of

173801:15:53,380 --> 01:16:00,819me yet but anyhow what they did is that

1739


01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:03,250they saw some of several other witnesses

174001:16:00,819 --> 01:16:06,489saw some very strange lights in the

174101:16:03,250 --> 01:16:11,649trees a low to the ground so here we go

174201:16:06,489 --> 01:16:13,689again with the fact that you have a

174301:16:11,649 --> 01:16:14,619Bigfoot activity and you have Bigfoots

174401:16:13,689 --> 01:16:19,689researchers

174501:16:14,619 --> 01:16:22,840going out to that area and that's what

174601:16:19,689 --> 01:16:24,309it is anyhow the name of the new group

174701:16:22,840 --> 01:16:27,819is called the Pennsylvania Krypto

174801:16:24,310 --> 01:16:29,440Society and so they were out there and

174901:16:27,819 --> 01:16:31,869they had they've written up some reports

175001:16:29,439 --> 01:16:34,179on it now and several of them saw some

175101:16:31,869 --> 01:16:35,890very unusual lights and again very

175201:16:34,180 --> 01:16:37,720similar to what we've been hearing from

175301:16:35,890 --> 01:16:40,630


recent years of other Bigfoot

175401:16:37,720 --> 01:16:44,020researchers investigating a Bigfoot and

175501:16:40,630 --> 01:16:46,420seeing strange lights instead yes so

175601:16:44,020 --> 01:16:48,700again we have this UFO connection with

175701:16:46,420 --> 01:16:51,279the Bigfoot and you've seen that how

175801:16:48,699 --> 01:16:55,059many times a lot of times or is it rare

175901:16:51,279 --> 01:16:56,219or is it very common can you repeat the

176001:16:55,060 --> 01:16:58,780question I missed Oh

176101:16:56,219 --> 01:17:02,260what I wanted to say is that here again

176201:16:58,779 --> 01:17:04,509we have the UFO connection to a Bigfoot

176301:17:02,260 --> 01:17:06,730sighting and do you see that a lot is

176401:17:04,510 --> 01:17:07,780that very rare or is it very common in

176501:17:06,729 --> 01:17:11,919your experience

176601:17:07,779 --> 01:17:14,139well historically again very few cases

176701:17:11,920 --> 01:17:15,579in general most Bigfoot studies have


176801:17:14,139 --> 01:17:17,289nothing to do with strange lights or

176901:17:15,579 --> 01:17:19,479objects and most UFO sightings have

177001:17:17,289 --> 01:17:21,519nothing to a Bigfoot however there is a

177101:17:19,479 --> 01:17:23,379percentage reports like that over the

177201:17:21,520 --> 01:17:25,119years there have been reports throughout

177301:17:23,380 --> 01:17:28,060the country many other countries as well

177401:17:25,118 --> 01:17:29,738going back to at least early 1970 so

177501:17:28,060 --> 01:17:31,600it's something has been going on but

177601:17:29,738 --> 01:17:33,339again as I mentioned earlier what I

177701:17:31,600 --> 01:17:35,829found out is the fact that there may be

177801:17:33,340 --> 01:17:37,659a lot more places like this but many

177901:17:35,829 --> 01:17:38,529researchers are reluctant to publish it

178001:17:37,658 --> 01:17:41,439because they're afraid of being

178101:17:38,529 --> 01:17:43,420ridiculed by their peers my position is


178201:17:41,439 --> 01:17:45,309as an investigator I don't have the

178301:17:43,420 --> 01:17:47,170answers this is whether the information

178401:17:45,310 --> 01:17:49,060is turning up and I'm putting it out

178501:17:47,170 --> 01:17:51,579there for other people to look at or

178601:17:49,060 --> 01:17:53,199Amanda sure and hopefully if they have

178701:17:51,579 --> 01:17:57,039informational let us know about it as

178801:17:53,198 --> 01:17:58,388well well you know what I wanted to ask

178901:17:57,039 --> 01:18:01,420you about because there was a case that

179001:17:58,389 --> 01:18:04,270I filed really closely as this Rick Dyer

179101:18:01,420 --> 01:18:05,980Bigfoot body hoax this is the second

179201:18:04,270 --> 01:18:08,320time this guy is claimed to have a

179301:18:05,979 --> 01:18:11,468Bigfoot body did you follow that at all

179401:18:08,319 --> 01:18:13,420you know I I just basically read what I

179501:18:11,469 --> 01:18:15,219really Internet when I'm hearing I'm I'm

1796


01:18:13,420 --> 01:18:16,600so busy dealing with this case in

179701:18:15,219 --> 01:18:18,939Pennsylvania that's what I generally

179801:18:16,600 --> 01:18:20,469focus on I like to deal with things I

179901:18:18,939 --> 01:18:23,289have a first-hand knowledge of and not

180001:18:20,469 --> 01:18:24,939second-guess sure sure well it's

180101:18:23,289 --> 01:18:26,889unfortunate though for everybody that is

180201:18:24,939 --> 01:18:29,169seriously looking into Bigfoot that this

180301:18:26,889 --> 01:18:31,150guy keeps making up these hoaxes because

180401:18:29,170 --> 01:18:33,789then people think it's all fake and then

180501:18:31,149 --> 01:18:36,399you know he tried to make a circus out

180601:18:33,789 --> 01:18:40,179of it like a carnival attraction and it

180701:18:36,399 --> 01:18:45,009was it was really just a you know some

180801:18:40,179 --> 01:18:47,230fake prop that somebody made oh yeah and

180901:18:45,010 --> 01:18:49,030you know you hear these stories over the

181001:18:47,229 --> 01:18:50,948


years of things like that I mean we've

181101:18:49,029 --> 01:18:53,920heard stories over the years of you know

181201:18:50,948 --> 01:18:55,928allegedly people shooting creatures in

181301:18:53,920 --> 01:18:58,270Pennsylvania and having bodies hidden

181401:18:55,929 --> 01:18:59,440and you know we fought on stuff art up

181501:18:58,270 --> 01:19:00,760in some of those over the years and

181601:18:59,439 --> 01:19:02,079we've never been able to come up with

181701:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,579any and

181801:19:02,079 --> 01:19:05,559Aysen really had any substance to it

181901:19:03,579 --> 01:19:07,569that I can think of yeah that's

182001:19:05,560 --> 01:19:09,130unfortunate because obviously if there

182101:19:07,569 --> 01:19:11,170was a body found that would be

182201:19:09,130 --> 01:19:13,989conclusive proof that people could study

182301:19:11,170 --> 01:19:17,619and you know we would finally know the

182401:19:13,989 --> 01:19:20,109truth right well yeah if we had the body


182501:19:17,619 --> 01:19:22,930to study that would definitely unlock

182601:19:20,109 --> 01:19:25,420much of the mystery but I'm not so sure

182701:19:22,930 --> 01:19:27,039that's gonna happen anytime soon and

182801:19:25,420 --> 01:19:30,069have you heard the the theory that

182901:19:27,039 --> 01:19:33,329Bigfoot could possibly be a gain of

183001:19:30,069 --> 01:19:36,909Pittacus like an existing surviving

183101:19:33,329 --> 01:19:38,319members of that species well sure I mean

183201:19:36,909 --> 01:19:40,449that's been one of the longest and

183301:19:38,319 --> 01:19:42,699oldest theories out there and I was

183401:19:40,449 --> 01:19:44,349subscribed a lot of that back for many

183501:19:42,699 --> 01:19:46,659many years that I thought that that

183601:19:44,350 --> 01:19:48,190could well be a possibility but then

183701:19:46,659 --> 01:19:50,769when I when I deal with these cases

183801:19:48,189 --> 01:19:52,719firsthand I interview the people and all


183901:19:50,770 --> 01:19:55,030these cases of seventies and in this

184001:19:52,720 --> 01:19:56,829cases since then would suggest that

184101:19:55,029 --> 01:19:59,079there's more to this and we understand

184201:19:56,829 --> 01:20:01,510and some of it is very strange and

184301:19:59,079 --> 01:20:03,369unusual and I can tell you many Bigfoot

184401:20:01,510 --> 01:20:05,619researchers around the country and the

184501:20:03,369 --> 01:20:08,319last fears of contacted me who are aware

184601:20:05,619 --> 01:20:09,880of similar case in fact a number of

184701:20:08,319 --> 01:20:11,649years ago I was asked to give a lecture

184801:20:09,880 --> 01:20:13,180out of McMinnville Oregon and one that

184901:20:11,649 --> 01:20:15,789the big UFO fest about there and I

185001:20:13,180 --> 01:20:16,840talked about the subject UFOs and

185101:20:15,789 --> 01:20:20,109Bigfoot because I was right in the

185201:20:16,840 --> 01:20:21,579middle Bigfoot country and and I gave a

1853


01:20:20,109 --> 01:20:23,829presentation a lot of these strange

185401:20:21,579 --> 01:20:25,960cases and I figured while probably gonna

185501:20:23,829 --> 01:20:27,519get some negativity you know with my

185601:20:25,960 --> 01:20:29,710presentation and I was extremely

185701:20:27,520 --> 01:20:32,650surprised because the response was very

185801:20:29,710 --> 01:20:34,300very positive a lot of key Bigfoot

185901:20:32,649 --> 01:20:35,979researchers were there heard my lecture

186001:20:34,300 --> 01:20:37,869and some talk to me then others

186101:20:35,979 --> 01:20:39,819contacted me later and they said they

186201:20:37,869 --> 01:20:41,619were so glad that I brought this out

186301:20:39,819 --> 01:20:43,449because the same thing had been

186401:20:41,619 --> 01:20:44,979happening for years in their area

186501:20:43,449 --> 01:20:47,050they heard the same reports of

186601:20:44,979 --> 01:20:48,309disappearing footprints people show you

186701:20:47,050 --> 01:20:50,320


these things and the creatures

186801:20:48,310 --> 01:20:52,780disappeared but they were so reluctant

186901:20:50,319 --> 01:20:55,000to talk about it because they were

187001:20:52,779 --> 01:20:56,889afraid of being ridiculed so I think it

187101:20:55,000 --> 01:20:59,770may be a lot more out there than we're

187201:20:56,890 --> 01:21:01,020aware of and hopefully we'll hear more

187301:20:59,770 --> 01:21:03,180about it

187401:21:01,020 --> 01:21:04,970Wow and you know I guess one of the

187501:21:03,180 --> 01:21:07,500other things I wanted to ask you is that

187601:21:04,970 --> 01:21:09,630you're right I think I like a lot more

187701:21:07,500 --> 01:21:11,489researchers are coming out and saying

187801:21:09,630 --> 01:21:14,069that there could be the possibility that

187901:21:11,489 --> 01:21:17,639it is an actual unknown creature out

188001:21:14,069 --> 01:21:20,130there an unknown hominid species have

188101:21:17,640 --> 01:21:21,619you heard some of the theories about


188201:21:20,130 --> 01:21:24,270that

188301:21:21,619 --> 01:21:26,279well I think I'm pretty much hearing the

188401:21:24,270 --> 01:21:28,890same species you know rather the same

188501:21:26,279 --> 01:21:30,659series for years and years but what I am

188601:21:28,890 --> 01:21:35,340seeing in Maurice here's the fact that

188701:21:30,659 --> 01:21:37,319more some of the really hardcore Bigfoot

188801:21:35,340 --> 01:21:39,210researchers who were always very much

188901:21:37,319 --> 01:21:41,119too visible as unknown species are

189001:21:39,210 --> 01:21:44,100beginning depressing that more and more

189101:21:41,119 --> 01:21:46,170that's like I have four years and asking

189201:21:44,100 --> 01:21:47,880why there's no bodies and I'm beginning

189301:21:46,170 --> 01:21:49,590to wonder could there be something else

189401:21:47,880 --> 01:21:51,060involved could it be something for a

189501:21:49,590 --> 01:21:54,960better term of inter-dimensional for


189601:21:51,060 --> 01:21:56,310example well and well the other thing I

189701:21:54,960 --> 01:21:59,850wanted to ask you about because I'm a

189801:21:56,310 --> 01:22:01,980huge fan of the patterson-gimlin film do

189901:21:59,850 --> 01:22:03,890you believe that that's real and genuine

190001:22:01,979 --> 01:22:06,750footage or do you believe that's a hoax

190101:22:03,890 --> 01:22:08,610well you know I can only go by what I've

190201:22:06,750 --> 01:22:11,460read for all these years and and I would

190301:22:08,609 --> 01:22:14,609say that of all the Bigfoot films that

190401:22:11,460 --> 01:22:17,250I've seen publicly and non publicly I'd

190501:22:14,609 --> 01:22:20,009still say I would say that that's

190601:22:17,250 --> 01:22:23,069probably the one that is most consistent

190701:22:20,010 --> 01:22:24,570to me that likely is probably real the

190801:22:23,069 --> 01:22:26,489thing that always did it for me was the

190901:22:24,569 --> 01:22:27,989breasts like I just don't I don't

1910


01:22:26,489 --> 01:22:29,399understand if you were gonna hoax

191101:22:27,989 --> 01:22:34,469something that you would take the time

191201:22:29,399 --> 01:22:36,269to create breasts on a creature that

191301:22:34,470 --> 01:22:38,670time period again you know the the

191401:22:36,270 --> 01:22:40,950technology and what you would have to

191501:22:38,670 --> 01:22:42,480have done and of course years later now

191601:22:40,949 --> 01:22:44,789the technology is so much better there's

191701:22:42,479 --> 01:22:47,069a lot more analysis can be done so I

191801:22:44,789 --> 01:22:49,829think there's still a lot of interest in

191901:22:47,069 --> 01:22:52,019that film and I think that once again I

192001:22:49,829 --> 01:22:54,880keep moping in mind all possibilities

192101:22:52,020 --> 01:22:57,250but I can to believe it's real

192201:22:54,880 --> 01:23:00,039I started believing it was real when I

192301:22:57,250 --> 01:23:01,840saw the the recent analysis done that it

192401:23:00,039 --> 01:23:04,510


couldn't have been a guy in a suit based

192501:23:01,840 --> 01:23:06,130on the date and the walk and the

192601:23:04,510 --> 01:23:07,810swinging of the arms and all these

192701:23:06,130 --> 01:23:10,000different things like they Chand people

192801:23:07,810 --> 01:23:11,739have tried to hoax it people and it just

192901:23:10,000 --> 01:23:13,569looks stupid it looks like a guy in a

193001:23:11,738 --> 01:23:15,629gorilla suit doesn't look anything like

193101:23:13,569 --> 01:23:18,908the creature and they've been the actual

193201:23:15,630 --> 01:23:20,800patterson-gimlin film oh yeah well it's

193301:23:18,908 --> 01:23:22,359very interesting but you know I got to

193401:23:20,800 --> 01:23:23,739go back to the sightings just like when

193501:23:22,359 --> 01:23:26,589we talked about from two weeks ago and

193601:23:23,738 --> 01:23:28,089many many of the cases that I have you

193701:23:26,590 --> 01:23:29,770know so many the Bigfoot sightings are

193801:23:28,090 --> 01:23:32,560penciling our daylight sightings and


193901:23:29,770 --> 01:23:35,530many of them are extremely close range

194001:23:32,560 --> 01:23:37,030I'm talking within 5 10 15 feet of

194101:23:35,529 --> 01:23:38,738witnesses and that's where mainly Kate's

194201:23:37,029 --> 01:23:41,109where they walked out in front of

194301:23:38,738 --> 01:23:43,479vehicles many in daylight walked out

194401:23:41,109 --> 01:23:45,009close to people's rural homes mobile

194501:23:43,479 --> 01:23:47,229homes and they got a really good look at

194601:23:45,010 --> 01:23:48,550these things so you know a lot of these

194701:23:47,229 --> 01:23:50,829people are seeing these things I mean

194801:23:48,550 --> 01:23:53,020there are hunters there are people who

194901:23:50,829 --> 01:23:55,448are familiar with a role what would wall

195001:23:53,020 --> 01:23:57,460animals with bear and they know they're

195101:23:55,448 --> 01:23:58,750seeing something and the physical

195201:23:57,460 --> 01:24:01,239appearance of what they're describing is


195301:23:58,750 --> 01:24:03,760unlike any things where that should be

195401:24:01,238 --> 01:24:05,259out there and so many of these are very

195501:24:03,760 --> 01:24:07,420very detailed accounts and they're

195601:24:05,260 --> 01:24:09,400coming from very credible people who in

195701:24:07,420 --> 01:24:11,109so many cases are really reluctant even

195801:24:09,399 --> 01:24:12,549to tell me about what they saw I mean

195901:24:11,109 --> 01:24:13,658they have nothing to gain they're

196001:24:12,550 --> 01:24:15,520OneNote publicity

196101:24:13,658 --> 01:24:17,488many of them are generally frightened

196201:24:15,520 --> 01:24:19,570and many of these people had a

196301:24:17,488 --> 01:24:21,579life-changing experience because so many

196401:24:19,569 --> 01:24:23,469of these people did not believe these

196501:24:21,579 --> 01:24:25,539things could exist until they had their

196601:24:23,469 --> 01:24:27,310own encounter well like I said I don't

1967


01:24:25,539 --> 01:24:28,630want to say I saw a Bigfoot but I think

196801:24:27,310 --> 01:24:30,370I had it could have been a near

196901:24:28,630 --> 01:24:33,190encounter I don't know what it was that

197001:24:30,369 --> 01:24:35,050I saw it was too far away but later when

197101:24:33,189 --> 01:24:37,149I started doing research into this and I

197201:24:35,050 --> 01:24:39,400and I heard similar stories of like

197301:24:37,149 --> 01:24:40,089rocks being thrown and I don't mean like

197401:24:39,399 --> 01:24:41,920pebbles

197501:24:40,090 --> 01:24:44,260like these were like you know like

197601:24:41,920 --> 01:24:46,359bowling ball-sized rocks yeah

197701:24:44,260 --> 01:24:48,909Rome right into the right by the fire

197801:24:46,359 --> 01:24:51,609and and I'm in a middle of the woods by

197901:24:48,908 --> 01:24:53,738myself scared like you wouldn't believe

198001:24:51,609 --> 01:24:55,630like what the hell just happened I

198101:24:53,738 --> 01:24:57,939


thought and then I thought well it's

198201:24:55,630 --> 01:25:00,100somebody pranking me there's all kinds

198301:24:57,939 --> 01:25:01,919of people in the Appalachian Trail then

198401:25:00,100 --> 01:25:03,960I heard this knocking and

198501:25:01,920 --> 01:25:06,000and like I said I just saw something run

198601:25:03,960 --> 01:25:08,730and jump in the brush and it didn't look

198701:25:06,000 --> 01:25:10,590like an animal I know and I and I

198801:25:08,729 --> 01:25:12,869continue to hear these stories of people

198901:25:10,590 --> 01:25:15,329tell me about these huge rocks I mean

199001:25:12,869 --> 01:25:17,849some that are too heavy for a normal

199101:25:15,329 --> 01:25:20,279human to be able to pick up and throw in

199201:25:17,850 --> 01:25:22,050the distance and even the last years I'm

199301:25:20,279 --> 01:25:23,670hearing accounts like this from from

199401:25:22,050 --> 01:25:26,730people in the woods and in fact people

199501:25:23,670 --> 01:25:28,949out on boats off the shore and something


199601:25:26,729 --> 01:25:32,459throwing these huge almost like burgers

199701:25:28,949 --> 01:25:34,019at them in the water that's it it didn't

199801:25:32,460 --> 01:25:36,000like you being there maybe that's what I

199901:25:34,020 --> 01:25:37,620thought later if it was something you

200001:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,539know and maybe it just didn't like me in

200101:25:37,619 --> 01:25:42,149its territory or it's a territorial

200201:25:39,539 --> 01:25:46,369thing something okay it could well be

200301:25:42,149 --> 01:25:49,799but those accounts are not that uncommon

200401:25:46,369 --> 01:25:52,019and you told me that there's been a

200501:25:49,800 --> 01:25:54,000recent wave in Pennsylvania can you tell

200601:25:52,020 --> 01:25:57,240me about the recent wave of activity

200701:25:54,000 --> 01:25:59,159that you've been looking into I wouldn't

200801:25:57,239 --> 01:26:01,889call it a way but it's been steady I

200901:25:59,159 --> 01:26:03,869mean since the first of the year I'm


201001:26:01,890 --> 01:26:06,119aware of a several Bigfoot sightings one

201101:26:03,869 --> 01:26:09,479of the first accounts actually occurred

201201:26:06,119 --> 01:26:11,250January 1st of the year and this was

201301:26:09,479 --> 01:26:13,259right you know right around the holidays

201401:26:11,250 --> 01:26:15,029this was a fellow who was just passing

201501:26:13,260 --> 01:26:16,710through the area to visit relatives for

201601:26:15,029 --> 01:26:18,569the holiday did live around here from

201701:26:16,710 --> 01:26:21,199out of state and he was traveling

201801:26:18,569 --> 01:26:24,210through the area early one morning

201901:26:21,199 --> 01:26:26,069outside of Pittsburgh between Allegheny

202001:26:24,210 --> 01:26:29,039and Westmoreland County in a rural area

202101:26:26,069 --> 01:26:31,500and the cars in front of him were all

202201:26:29,039 --> 01:26:33,149moving very slow around this Bend and

202301:26:31,500 --> 01:26:34,680they were slowing down as their

2024


01:26:33,149 --> 01:26:37,049headlights was hitting something and as

202501:26:34,680 --> 01:26:39,300he goes around the bend his headlight is

202601:26:37,050 --> 01:26:41,190this huge hairy creature whether it

202701:26:39,300 --> 01:26:43,619would they had liked it first but he's

202801:26:41,189 --> 01:26:45,809too huge glowing red eyes off the ground

202901:26:43,619 --> 01:26:47,489and he got a good look at this thing he

203001:26:45,810 --> 01:26:50,850said for only probably several seconds

203101:26:47,489 --> 01:26:52,199probably six six and half feet tall give

203201:26:50,850 --> 01:26:54,360a detailed description I was covered

203301:26:52,199 --> 01:26:58,319with long hair the glowing eyes the long

203401:26:54,359 --> 01:27:00,000arms and he was just amazing he couldn't

203501:26:58,319 --> 01:27:01,590believe what he saw and he said other

203601:27:00,000 --> 01:27:04,109people had to see in it because they

203701:27:01,590 --> 01:27:07,069were slowed down to watch it before him

203801:27:04,109 --> 01:27:09,599


Wow that's another amazing encounter

203901:27:07,069 --> 01:27:11,219yeah and and there have been other

204001:27:09,600 --> 01:27:13,560Bigfoot reports including the one

204101:27:11,219 --> 01:27:16,469recently but there's been a quite a lot

204201:27:13,560 --> 01:27:18,210of UFO activity already this year we've

204301:27:16,469 --> 01:27:19,800had some of the mystery booms being

204401:27:18,210 --> 01:27:22,020reported in different parts of the state

204501:27:19,800 --> 01:27:24,210where like a localized shaking of shook

204601:27:22,020 --> 01:27:25,770homes and pictures off of walls and

204701:27:24,210 --> 01:27:27,210homes things like that that they've been

204801:27:25,770 --> 01:27:31,340covered on several local news around

204901:27:27,210 --> 01:27:34,050here and strange formations in the field

205001:27:31,340 --> 01:27:36,029just a lot of weird stuff going on

205101:27:34,050 --> 01:27:38,070already for this time of the year yeah I

205201:27:36,029 --> 01:27:39,868never I never knew before talking to you


205301:27:38,069 --> 01:27:41,488so much that there was so much strange

205401:27:39,868 --> 01:27:43,679stuff in my home state of Pennsylvania

205501:27:41,488 --> 01:27:46,198you know you don't think there's that

205601:27:43,679 --> 01:27:49,289much weirdness in one state but I guess

205701:27:46,198 --> 01:27:50,879there is oh yeah and it's again its

205801:27:49,289 --> 01:27:52,618historical I mean that's been going on

205901:27:50,880 --> 01:27:54,150for years and years now you got to

206001:27:52,618 --> 01:27:56,939remember my heart bar has been open

206101:27:54,149 --> 01:27:58,379since 1969 it was only one of the only

206201:27:56,939 --> 01:28:00,299places in the country where you could

206301:27:58,380 --> 01:28:02,520report an incident and we would have

206401:28:00,300 --> 01:28:04,289people actually investigate it so that's

206501:28:02,520 --> 01:28:05,400hard line has been open the store active

206601:28:04,289 --> 01:28:08,279since 1969


206701:28:05,399 --> 01:28:09,689so that may be one reason why we do get

206801:28:08,279 --> 01:28:12,329more reports to some parts of

206901:28:09,689 --> 01:28:14,339Pennsylvania but historically there was

207001:28:12,329 --> 01:28:16,260reports going on long before that and

207101:28:14,340 --> 01:28:17,909they continue to be reported to myself

207201:28:16,260 --> 01:28:21,420and other researchers across the state

207301:28:17,908 --> 01:28:22,738all the time well and the other question

207401:28:21,420 --> 01:28:24,750I have really wanted to talk to you

207501:28:22,738 --> 01:28:26,968about or ask you about is the smell but

207601:28:24,750 --> 01:28:30,090catch'em study she claims that she's

207701:28:26,969 --> 01:28:32,850that Bigfoot is legendary Sasquatch is

207801:28:30,090 --> 01:28:35,190human relative that arose 15,000 years

207901:28:32,850 --> 01:28:37,739ago as a hybrid cross of modern Homo

208001:28:35,189 --> 01:28:39,928sapiens with an unknown primate species

2081


01:28:37,738 --> 01:28:42,779what do you think of her and her study

208201:28:39,929 --> 01:28:45,118and her claims you know be honest with

208301:28:42,779 --> 01:28:48,300you I'm aware of it I read it I've never

208401:28:45,118 --> 01:28:51,420met the person I think the studies are

208501:28:48,300 --> 01:28:52,770very interesting but I wrote I'm not

208601:28:51,420 --> 01:28:54,658going to comment because I'm not a

208701:28:52,770 --> 01:28:56,790specialist on that I haven't really

208801:28:54,658 --> 01:28:58,469studied in great detail I'm too busy

208901:28:56,789 --> 01:29:01,628just work on cases coming in there on a

209001:28:58,469 --> 01:29:03,309regular basis yeah I kind of know

209101:29:01,628 --> 01:29:05,738on the fence with her she's in my gray

209201:29:03,309 --> 01:29:08,168basket because it seems like it's not

209301:29:05,738 --> 01:29:10,688really a peer published review and

209401:29:08,168 --> 01:29:12,760there's no real and she's not providing

209501:29:10,689 --> 01:29:14,709


enough evidence for me you know she just

209601:29:12,760 --> 01:29:17,708is making these claims like a lot of

209701:29:14,708 --> 01:29:19,599people in in a paranormal research they

209801:29:17,708 --> 01:29:21,729just kind of make make up some kind of

209901:29:19,599 --> 01:29:24,578story and we're supposed to believe it I

210001:29:21,729 --> 01:29:27,369want to see the data and see the tests

210101:29:24,578 --> 01:29:29,558that she has and and also I want to see

210201:29:27,368 --> 01:29:33,488some kind of prominence for where all

210301:29:29,559 --> 01:29:36,128these samples came from well you know I

210401:29:33,488 --> 01:29:38,049still get these reports in I'm still out

210501:29:36,128 --> 01:29:40,029there investigating as often as I can

210601:29:38,050 --> 01:29:42,029there's many researchers and many

210701:29:40,029 --> 01:29:44,828research groups in Pennsylvania now and

210801:29:42,029 --> 01:29:46,658hopefully now the communication is a lot

210901:29:44,828 --> 01:29:48,969better and and we hear more about these


211001:29:46,658 --> 01:29:50,738reports pretty often hopefully you know

211101:29:48,969 --> 01:29:52,418we still may get one of those cases

211201:29:50,738 --> 01:29:54,549where we get some really good physical

211301:29:52,418 --> 01:29:56,108evidence and you never know that next

211401:29:54,550 --> 01:29:56,859phone call might be the case is going to

211501:29:56,109 --> 01:29:58,989solve the mystery

211601:29:56,859 --> 01:29:59,889that's probably what keeps you going

211701:29:58,988 --> 01:30:02,108isn't it

211801:29:59,889 --> 01:30:04,239oh yeah yet you just never know my

211901:30:02,109 --> 01:30:06,340phone's ringing here day and night I get

212001:30:04,238 --> 01:30:08,438calls constantly on recess and pass

212101:30:06,340 --> 01:30:09,729reports and you're always hopeful it's

212201:30:08,439 --> 01:30:11,979gonna be that next call that's gonna

212301:30:09,729 --> 01:30:13,719help solve one of these mysteries yeah


212401:30:11,979 --> 01:30:15,969it's amazing that you have been doing

212501:30:13,719 --> 01:30:18,128this for this long that's a you've had

212601:30:15,969 --> 01:30:20,229an amazing career looking into this

212701:30:18,128 --> 01:30:22,179stuff I wanted to ask you too because I

212801:30:20,229 --> 01:30:24,059saw you do you have a background in like

212901:30:22,179 --> 01:30:27,458electronics and things like that as well

213001:30:24,059 --> 01:30:29,800yeah I work electronics all my life okay

213101:30:27,458 --> 01:30:31,958cuz that explains like for my listeners

213201:30:29,800 --> 01:30:33,340that don't know when you see Stan in an

213301:30:31,958 --> 01:30:35,618interview I don't know if that's your

213401:30:33,340 --> 01:30:36,878home or your workshop but it seems like

213501:30:35,618 --> 01:30:38,768you're surrounded by all these

213601:30:36,878 --> 01:30:41,578electronics and some of those interviews

213701:30:38,769 --> 01:30:44,260and radio equipment yeah is like that

2138


01:30:41,578 --> 01:30:46,299yeah I've had for years and years that

213901:30:44,260 --> 01:30:48,609started back when I had my first group I

214001:30:46,300 --> 01:30:50,079have a very very elaborate radio

214101:30:48,609 --> 01:30:52,149communication center in my home and I

214201:30:50,078 --> 01:30:55,148still have it today it's a hobby but

214301:30:52,149 --> 01:30:57,729also was very very something I needed to

214401:30:55,149 --> 01:31:00,429do when I had my groups active and it's

214501:30:57,729 --> 01:31:03,010still a resource for me what would i do

214601:31:00,429 --> 01:31:05,199collecting data and whatever and so I'm

214701:31:03,010 --> 01:31:07,570still very interested in electronics

214801:31:05,198 --> 01:31:10,629communications and it kind of correlates

214901:31:07,569 --> 01:31:12,399with the different research I'm doing

215001:31:10,630 --> 01:31:14,710yeah I guess it would help to be able to

215101:31:12,399 --> 01:31:16,750know how to use like Geiger counters and

215201:31:14,710 --> 01:31:18,699


thermal imaging and that kind of stuff

215301:31:16,750 --> 01:31:20,949you use a lot of high-tech stuff in your

215401:31:18,699 --> 01:31:23,409in your work don't you well you know

215501:31:20,949 --> 01:31:25,449back in the day back back in the 70s

215601:31:23,409 --> 01:31:27,430when we had the groups I mean we had

215701:31:25,449 --> 01:31:28,869some equipment but there was a lot of

215801:31:27,430 --> 01:31:30,310equipment of what's available back in

215901:31:28,869 --> 01:31:32,170those days and a lot of the guys in the

216001:31:30,310 --> 01:31:33,700group be engineers and scientists we'd

216101:31:32,170 --> 01:31:35,710go a lot of our own high-tech equipment

216201:31:33,699 --> 01:31:38,889because you couldn't buy it so we made

216301:31:35,710 --> 01:31:40,779some you know some early type of

216401:31:38,890 --> 01:31:43,420equipment that worked pretty well but we

216501:31:40,779 --> 01:31:45,429had like we had at times we had night

216601:31:43,420 --> 01:31:48,340vision we had radiation detection


216701:31:45,430 --> 01:31:50,440equipment metal detectors magnetic

216801:31:48,340 --> 01:31:52,600detectors and I'm the stuff we built

216901:31:50,439 --> 01:31:55,809because we couldn't buy it wow that's

217001:31:52,600 --> 01:31:57,579amazing and did you ever use the Geiger

217101:31:55,810 --> 01:31:59,200counters and stuff like that at the

217201:31:57,579 --> 01:32:01,300Bigfoot sightings because I know that a

217301:31:59,199 --> 01:32:03,010lot of people have reported radiation

217401:32:01,300 --> 01:32:04,659with UFO sightings but what about

217501:32:03,010 --> 01:32:06,880Bigfoot has there ever been radiation

217601:32:04,659 --> 01:32:10,510reporting from the Bigfoot sightings

217701:32:06,880 --> 01:32:13,720I've had it out on some cases where we

217801:32:10,510 --> 01:32:15,460had a Bigfoot UFO sighting I've never

217901:32:13,720 --> 01:32:18,340come across and be honest with you I

218001:32:15,460 --> 01:32:19,750have never thousands of UFO cases I've


218101:32:18,340 --> 01:32:23,050been involved with over the years and

218201:32:19,750 --> 01:32:24,789many many investigations where landing

218301:32:23,050 --> 01:32:27,130sites are reported and other evidence on

218401:32:24,789 --> 01:32:28,989the ground I never found anything other

218501:32:27,130 --> 01:32:33,520than normal background radiation we

218601:32:28,989 --> 01:32:35,679never had anything abnormal okay and so

218701:32:33,520 --> 01:32:37,510you said you've been working on these

218801:32:35,680 --> 01:32:38,829recent cases as there are other things

218901:32:37,510 --> 01:32:40,520that you've been working on besides

219001:32:38,829 --> 01:32:43,019Bigfoot lately

219101:32:40,520 --> 01:32:46,130as I mentioned there's been there's a

219201:32:43,020 --> 01:32:48,660lot of continuous UFO reports coming in

219301:32:46,130 --> 01:32:49,859last year right towards the end of the

219401:32:48,659 --> 01:32:52,109year was very active especially

2195


01:32:49,859 --> 01:32:54,869September October with many reports of

219601:32:52,109 --> 01:32:57,359large triangular boomerang shape of

219701:32:54,869 --> 01:32:58,769shaped objects being seen one case was

219801:32:57,359 --> 01:33:01,589very interesting it was a daylight

219901:32:58,770 --> 01:33:03,870sighting up in the mountains and this

220001:33:01,590 --> 01:33:05,760fellow was level rel I think 11 o'clock

220101:33:03,869 --> 01:33:07,289in the morning beautiful day sitting by

220201:33:05,760 --> 01:33:09,329his window having coffee and all of a

220301:33:07,289 --> 01:33:11,609sudden they got a road bark like a big

220401:33:09,329 --> 01:33:14,100dark cloud came over he opened the door

220501:33:11,609 --> 01:33:15,750and stepped outside and hovering right

220601:33:14,100 --> 01:33:17,880above them he's a brand Ernie thing

220701:33:15,750 --> 01:33:21,239about 500 feet above him is his huge

220801:33:17,880 --> 01:33:24,420solid black triangular object making no

220901:33:21,239 --> 01:33:24,869


sound his dog would refused to go

221001:33:24,420 --> 01:33:28,289outside

221101:33:24,869 --> 01:33:30,569he had a fully charged phone with a

221201:33:28,289 --> 01:33:32,609camera mode in it he aimed to take a

221301:33:30,569 --> 01:33:34,710picture and a completely discharged

221401:33:32,609 --> 01:33:36,659instantly lost all its power

221501:33:34,710 --> 01:33:38,340we've had other reports like that as

221601:33:36,659 --> 01:33:40,920well more recent years where people

221701:33:38,340 --> 01:33:42,329tried to take pictures and the camera

221801:33:40,920 --> 01:33:45,750would malfunction when I tried to take a

221901:33:42,329 --> 01:33:47,579photograph of the object well I've been

222001:33:45,750 --> 01:33:51,449hearing a lot more reports of these

222101:33:47,579 --> 01:33:54,479black triangles myself do you commonly

222201:33:51,449 --> 01:33:55,800people call calling it a tr-3b or

222301:33:54,479 --> 01:33:57,419something like that do you think it's a


222401:33:55,800 --> 01:33:59,550government project or you think it's

222501:33:57,420 --> 01:34:02,130dollar and what do you think those are

222601:33:59,550 --> 01:34:04,289yeah I've been getting reports on these

222701:34:02,130 --> 01:34:07,170big triangle going back to a believable

222801:34:04,289 --> 01:34:09,539east of 1970s they see them for years

222901:34:07,170 --> 01:34:10,859and years you know in the last 20 or

223001:34:09,539 --> 01:34:13,319some years are getting more and more

223101:34:10,859 --> 01:34:16,229reports of these things being seen you

223201:34:13,319 --> 01:34:18,149know my feeling is that yes on occasion

223301:34:16,229 --> 01:34:20,250there may be some type of a black

223401:34:18,149 --> 01:34:21,920projects on type of experimental

223501:34:20,250 --> 01:34:24,359aircraft passing through Pennsylvania

223601:34:21,920 --> 01:34:26,100like you know they have hundreds of

223701:34:24,359 --> 01:34:27,989miles of restricted airspace in other


223801:34:26,100 --> 01:34:30,750parts of the country where they can test

223901:34:27,989 --> 01:34:32,699fly these objects there are too many

224001:34:30,750 --> 01:34:35,699sightings over populated areas

224101:34:32,699 --> 01:34:38,069you know sightings over major cities on

224201:34:35,699 --> 01:34:40,649the Pennsylvania Turnpike hovering over

224301:34:38,069 --> 01:34:41,460people's yards over over top of people

224401:34:40,649 --> 01:34:44,339have no level

224501:34:41,460 --> 01:34:46,140there's no way in my mind that I can

224601:34:44,340 --> 01:34:48,420conceive that the government is letting

224701:34:46,140 --> 01:34:51,630these very large secretive objects being

224801:34:48,420 --> 01:34:53,880seen on a regular basis and take a

224901:34:51,630 --> 01:34:55,409chance of something like this being you

225001:34:53,880 --> 01:34:57,390know falling to the ground of some

225101:34:55,409 --> 01:34:59,789accident it just doesn't make any sense

2252


01:34:57,390 --> 01:35:01,920yeah I tend to agree with you I think if

225301:34:59,789 --> 01:35:04,229they were going to test an object or

225401:35:01,920 --> 01:35:05,609some kind of exotic aircraft they

225501:35:04,229 --> 01:35:08,129wouldn't be doing it over populated

225601:35:05,609 --> 01:35:10,259areas or major cities but one thing that

225701:35:08,130 --> 01:35:12,600I come back to time and time again is I

225801:35:10,260 --> 01:35:14,610talked to somebody again as this

225901:35:12,600 --> 01:35:17,160person's off the record but he told me

226001:35:14,609 --> 01:35:19,500that if the American people knew how

226101:35:17,159 --> 01:35:21,269many drones were in the United States

226201:35:19,500 --> 01:35:24,899sky it would make the Snowden

226301:35:21,270 --> 01:35:26,550revelations look timid oh yeah that was

226401:35:24,899 --> 01:35:28,289very possible I mean I've I've been

226501:35:26,550 --> 01:35:30,810getting reports released the last couple

226601:35:28,289 --> 01:35:32,609


of years different types of drones being

226701:35:30,810 --> 01:35:36,390reported as UFOs around the Pittsburgh

226801:35:32,609 --> 01:35:38,069area so I believe it there there are

226901:35:36,390 --> 01:35:39,930some truths out there being flown around

227001:35:38,069 --> 01:35:43,500by probably different at different

227101:35:39,930 --> 01:35:45,270levels yeah so I you know some of the

227201:35:43,500 --> 01:35:47,220reports of the UFOs I think our

227301:35:45,270 --> 01:35:49,890government projects that they don't want

227401:35:47,220 --> 01:35:52,800to acknowledge who are these drones that

227501:35:49,890 --> 01:35:54,420they you know that they are and the

227601:35:52,800 --> 01:35:56,630other thing I always come back to is the

227701:35:54,420 --> 01:36:00,510Blackbird and the stealth aircraft

227801:35:56,630 --> 01:36:02,670that's 1970s technology that we got to

227901:36:00,510 --> 01:36:04,260learn about 30 years later so it makes

228001:36:02,670 --> 01:36:07,440me wonder what do they have right now


228101:36:04,260 --> 01:36:09,480that we don't know about oh yeah well

228201:36:07,439 --> 01:36:11,279you know you hear all kind of stories

228301:36:09,479 --> 01:36:13,799out there that and I have no doubt over

228401:36:11,279 --> 01:36:14,939the years I'm sure in some situations it

228501:36:13,800 --> 01:36:17,010could well have been a government

228601:36:14,939 --> 01:36:20,129project some type of experimental craft

228701:36:17,010 --> 01:36:22,079that people saw but you know if you go

228801:36:20,130 --> 01:36:23,730to the detail of some of the UFO case

228901:36:22,079 --> 01:36:26,689I've investigated which have been very

229001:36:23,729 --> 01:36:29,219detailed daylight large structured craft

229101:36:26,689 --> 01:36:31,649sometimes some type of interaction with

229201:36:29,220 --> 01:36:34,170the environment sometimes landings on

229301:36:31,649 --> 01:36:35,729the ground and back you know in the

229401:36:34,170 --> 01:36:38,039sixties and seventies you got a lot of


229501:36:35,729 --> 01:36:40,079reports on landings and and sometimes

229601:36:38,039 --> 01:36:41,819occupants or small humanoid creatures

229701:36:40,079 --> 01:36:45,119being seen with some of these crafts so

229801:36:41,819 --> 01:36:45,649some of them are very interesting yeah

229901:36:45,119 --> 01:36:48,050and I

230001:36:45,649 --> 01:36:51,139I would be remiss if I didn't ask you

230101:36:48,050 --> 01:36:53,890about my favourite case of UFOs ever I

230201:36:51,140 --> 01:36:57,440know we did that whole show on Kecksburg

230301:36:53,890 --> 01:36:59,960and my listeners I had so many emails

230401:36:57,439 --> 01:37:02,029about that looking into it and wanting

230501:36:59,960 --> 01:37:03,560more information so I sent them links to

230601:37:02,029 --> 01:37:05,479some of your some of the stuff on

230701:37:03,560 --> 01:37:07,670YouTube but has there been any new

230801:37:05,479 --> 01:37:10,819developments lately or any new evidence

2309


01:37:07,670 --> 01:37:14,719in the case well in the last year's last

231001:37:10,819 --> 01:37:16,908year was the 50th anniversary and we I

231101:37:14,719 --> 01:37:18,770did get some very interesting new leads

231201:37:16,908 --> 01:37:21,799on the case one was a military source

231301:37:18,770 --> 01:37:25,310which pretty much as I indicated to me

231401:37:21,800 --> 01:37:27,560that this was a legitimate source I know

231501:37:25,310 --> 01:37:29,449there was some other people who after 50

231601:37:27,560 --> 01:37:31,789years broke their silence and gave me

231701:37:29,448 --> 01:37:33,799some very interesting information which

231801:37:31,789 --> 01:37:36,439suggested which I've heard for years

231901:37:33,800 --> 01:37:37,640that you know back at the time of 65

232001:37:36,439 --> 01:37:38,928when this happened now you know you

232101:37:37,640 --> 01:37:41,390gotta remember a little hundreds of

232201:37:38,929 --> 01:37:42,949people involved in this case I mean we

232301:37:41,390 --> 01:37:44,420


don't even know how many witnesses I've

232401:37:42,948 --> 01:37:46,879interviewed hundreds of people over the

232501:37:44,420 --> 01:37:48,980years but there were many people came to

232601:37:46,880 --> 01:37:50,810the scene that that day after hearing

232701:37:48,979 --> 01:37:53,119all the news breaking about a UFO

232801:37:50,810 --> 01:37:54,620falling from the sky there Kecksburg PA

232901:37:53,119 --> 01:37:57,800and then the military arriving on the

233001:37:54,619 --> 01:37:59,420scene area being cordoned off so there's

233101:37:57,800 --> 01:38:01,039no way the government could have known

233201:37:59,420 --> 01:38:03,140at that time all the people who were

233301:38:01,039 --> 01:38:05,510involved but it may well been for what

233401:38:03,140 --> 01:38:07,429we know that they did get to certain

233501:38:05,510 --> 01:38:10,550individuals around the area for whatever

233601:38:07,429 --> 01:38:12,050reason and apparently you know some

233701:38:10,550 --> 01:38:13,460people there may have been some threats


233801:38:12,050 --> 01:38:15,140to people to keep their mouth shut and

233901:38:13,460 --> 01:38:17,239that's why I've heard from some pretty

234001:38:15,140 --> 01:38:18,949good sources now over the years but the

234101:38:17,238 --> 01:38:20,448majority people think have never ever

234201:38:18,948 --> 01:38:22,219gotten to because they could have known

234301:38:20,448 --> 01:38:24,469who they were and a lot of these people

234401:38:22,219 --> 01:38:26,989even today the majority people I've

234501:38:24,469 --> 01:38:29,300interviewed have never gone public and

234601:38:26,988 --> 01:38:31,869then some others have gone I look at

234701:38:29,300 --> 01:38:34,340many unfortunately are now deceased but

234801:38:31,869 --> 01:38:36,859there is no doubt whatsoever that

234901:38:34,340 --> 01:38:38,539something fell from the sky whatever it

235001:38:36,859 --> 01:38:41,059was it was important up for the military

235101:38:38,539 --> 01:38:43,579respond very quickly to the scene they


235201:38:41,060 --> 01:38:44,150recovered the object it was taken out on

235301:38:43,579 --> 01:38:46,579a large

235401:38:44,149 --> 01:38:48,799a flatbed tractor trailer with a tarp on

235501:38:46,579 --> 01:38:50,929it now one o'clock in the morning the

235601:38:48,800 --> 01:38:52,730next morning and we know when the lock

235701:38:50,929 --> 01:38:55,940cornea of course based near Columbus

235801:38:52,729 --> 01:38:57,408Ohio and what I got from sources who

235901:38:55,939 --> 01:39:00,649were at the base and now I have the

236001:38:57,408 --> 01:39:02,059independent sources who all confirm this

236101:39:00,649 --> 01:39:03,408but there are different stories and none

236201:39:02,060 --> 01:39:04,909of these people know each other as far

236301:39:03,408 --> 01:39:07,639as I know and I'm pretty certain they

236401:39:04,908 --> 01:39:10,519never did know each other and they all

236501:39:07,640 --> 01:39:12,770confirmed that they went through a gate

2366


01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:13,790not normally used at the base during the

236701:39:12,770 --> 01:39:15,739early morning hours

236801:39:13,789 --> 01:39:17,899they backed the flatbed truck with the

236901:39:15,738 --> 01:39:20,029object into a hangar they set up a

237001:39:17,899 --> 01:39:22,099security perimeter they were given a

237101:39:20,029 --> 01:39:23,479shoot-to-kill order to anybody

237201:39:22,100 --> 01:39:28,219approached that hangar without the

237301:39:23,479 --> 01:39:29,629proper security level and Dennis didn't

237401:39:28,219 --> 01:39:31,069stay at the base much longer and

237501:39:29,630 --> 01:39:33,350continue on to wright-patterson Air

237601:39:31,069 --> 01:39:35,809Force Base and then later others who

237701:39:33,350 --> 01:39:37,340slide at the base contacted me and told

237801:39:35,810 --> 01:39:39,679me exactly what building they took it to

237901:39:37,340 --> 01:39:42,679and was not hangar 18 that you hear

238001:39:39,679 --> 01:39:45,020


about a lot on television Wow and these

238101:39:42,679 --> 01:39:47,329new these new sources like you mentioned

238201:39:45,020 --> 01:39:50,810one from military sources they're been

238301:39:47,329 --> 01:39:53,569new revelations or new information about

238401:39:50,810 --> 01:39:57,080what you know what it might have been I

238501:39:53,569 --> 01:40:00,109can't say new revelations but gave me

238601:39:57,079 --> 01:40:03,469enough detail to confirm that this

238701:40:00,109 --> 01:40:05,539person was directly involved was able to

238801:40:03,469 --> 01:40:07,969confirm what other people had told me

238901:40:05,539 --> 01:40:09,679and was able to give me some detailed

239001:40:07,969 --> 01:40:12,500information what took place at the scene

239101:40:09,679 --> 01:40:14,270which I already had known about but even

239201:40:12,500 --> 01:40:16,039that person I told him some things later

239301:40:14,270 --> 01:40:17,840after you talk to me that he didn't know

239401:40:16,039 --> 01:40:21,198about and it confirmed a part of his


239501:40:17,840 --> 01:40:23,119story so I believe that it just adds

239601:40:21,198 --> 01:40:25,129more and more information to the account

239701:40:23,119 --> 01:40:28,760wow that's amazing

239801:40:25,130 --> 01:40:32,480and I guess the other question and I

239901:40:28,760 --> 01:40:34,460would ask you about is where where are

240001:40:32,479 --> 01:40:36,819you going with the Kecksburg case from

240101:40:34,460 --> 01:40:40,219here do you think it will ever be solved

240201:40:36,819 --> 01:40:42,769you know you're I'm hopeful that you

240301:40:40,219 --> 01:40:45,079know somebody out there is still living

240401:40:42,770 --> 01:40:46,389that may have the evidence can close the

240501:40:45,079 --> 01:40:48,849case I mean I

240601:40:46,389 --> 01:40:51,069for years and years and I taught the

240701:40:48,849 --> 01:40:53,559people over the years who told me that

240801:40:51,069 --> 01:40:55,359many years ago they saw black-and-white


240901:40:53,559 --> 01:40:57,399photographs of the object down in the

241001:40:55,359 --> 01:40:59,978woods were taken that day none of those

241101:40:57,399 --> 01:41:02,829pictures has ever surfaced rumors

241201:40:59,979 --> 01:41:05,289continued for years that some families

241301:41:02,828 --> 01:41:06,849in this area have the pictures but for

241401:41:05,288 --> 01:41:08,590whatever reason they've refused to

241501:41:06,849 --> 01:41:10,659release them and we're just Billy

241601:41:08,590 --> 01:41:12,668hopeful that you know maybe next

241701:41:10,658 --> 01:41:14,708generation of the family you know

241801:41:12,668 --> 01:41:16,418knowing what's going on now will will

241901:41:14,708 --> 01:41:18,219bring those pictures forward because

242001:41:16,418 --> 01:41:18,760those pictures could help solve the

242101:41:18,219 --> 01:41:20,679mystery

242201:41:18,760 --> 01:41:22,239yeah that's pretty frustrating to me

2423


01:41:20,679 --> 01:41:24,639that net to know that sitting in

242401:41:22,238 --> 01:41:26,529somebody's attic or junk drawer could be

242501:41:24,639 --> 01:41:27,939a roll of film that could solve the

242601:41:26,529 --> 01:41:30,550whole mystery because if we had pictures

242701:41:27,939 --> 01:41:32,349we could rule out a lot of things I mean

242801:41:30,550 --> 01:41:34,779I don't know if we could confirm it was

242901:41:32,349 --> 01:41:36,489an alien spacecraft from photos but we

243001:41:34,779 --> 01:41:39,038could say it's not a satellite or

243101:41:36,488 --> 01:41:40,418something that's right it would help to

243201:41:39,038 --> 01:41:45,118determine if it was something man-made

243301:41:40,418 --> 01:41:47,889or something extraterrestrial Wow and so

243401:41:45,118 --> 01:41:50,288you keep looking into this into the

243501:41:47,889 --> 01:41:51,609Bigfoot cases you said that you're

243601:41:50,288 --> 01:41:53,198leaning towards it something

243701:41:51,609 --> 01:41:56,648


interdimensional you don't believe that

243801:41:53,198 --> 01:41:59,049it's just a creature that's unknown out

243901:41:56,649 --> 01:42:01,899in the woods and organic regular

244001:41:59,050 --> 01:42:03,189creature well you know like I said I

244101:42:01,899 --> 01:42:05,919have to keep an open mind all

244201:42:03,189 --> 01:42:08,229possibilities and you know could there

244301:42:05,918 --> 01:42:09,908be more than one species maybe maybe

244401:42:08,229 --> 01:42:11,800we're dealing more than one thing but

244501:42:09,908 --> 01:42:13,448I've seen more and more nothing in

244601:42:11,800 --> 01:42:15,788different patterns and different cases

244701:42:13,448 --> 01:42:17,618and even what other cryptids now which

244801:42:15,788 --> 01:42:19,688suggests to me that what we're dealing

244901:42:17,618 --> 01:42:22,569with has a physical and a non-physical

245001:42:19,689 --> 01:42:24,099component to it which is yes some of the

245101:42:22,569 --> 01:42:25,840cases I have talked about and there's


245201:42:24,099 --> 01:42:27,880others I haven't so no we haven't talked

245301:42:25,840 --> 01:42:29,739about on the air which again suggests

245401:42:27,880 --> 01:42:31,418that these some cases these things

245501:42:29,738 --> 01:42:33,069appear to be other than a normal flesh

245601:42:31,418 --> 01:42:35,439or blood animal

245701:42:33,069 --> 01:42:37,418I keep an open mind all possibilities

245801:42:35,439 --> 01:42:38,949but I think we need to keep an open mind

245901:42:37,418 --> 01:42:41,828and look into all the different aspects

246001:42:38,948 --> 01:42:43,688of the phenomena and the other thing

246101:42:41,828 --> 01:42:45,819that I've heard and I don't know if

246201:42:43,689 --> 01:42:47,739you've heard this but what do you think

246301:42:45,819 --> 01:42:49,630of these theories that there's some kind

246401:42:47,738 --> 01:42:51,879of interdimensional gateway and what

246501:42:49,630 --> 01:42:54,139people are seeing is sort of like a


246601:42:51,880 --> 01:42:56,868missing link or like

246701:42:54,139 --> 01:42:59,748you know some kind of pre human creature

246801:42:56,868 --> 01:43:01,609from thousands of years ago and I don't

246901:42:59,748 --> 01:43:04,519know like I've heard people say that

247001:43:01,609 --> 01:43:07,158like you know worlds or colliding or

247101:43:04,519 --> 01:43:11,179another time is being viewed by these

247201:43:07,158 --> 01:43:12,978people when they see these things again

247301:43:11,179 --> 01:43:15,139there are so many series out there and

247401:43:12,979 --> 01:43:16,610what some people have told me is that

247501:43:15,139 --> 01:43:19,099especially up along the Chestnut Ridge

247601:43:16,609 --> 01:43:20,630with so many sightings occur they swear

247701:43:19,099 --> 01:43:23,149they've seen something like some type of

247801:43:20,630 --> 01:43:26,359vortex or some type of like a doorway

247901:43:23,149 --> 01:43:27,860open and you know the speculating that

2480


01:43:26,359 --> 01:43:29,988maybe these things come in and out of

248101:43:27,859 --> 01:43:33,049that opening yet one thing I discovered

248201:43:29,988 --> 01:43:36,978years ago and I continue to see this is

248301:43:33,050 --> 01:43:39,649that many low level UFO encounters many

248401:43:36,979 --> 01:43:42,499close range Bigfoot sightings many other

248501:43:39,649 --> 01:43:45,499krypton crypt encounters occur in the

248601:43:42,498 --> 01:43:48,380vicinity of high energy sources so

248701:43:45,498 --> 01:43:50,898they'll occur close by the power plant

248801:43:48,380 --> 01:43:55,550high tension power lines gas wells gas

248901:43:50,899 --> 01:43:57,800lines with windmill farms now railroad

249001:43:55,550 --> 01:44:00,050tracks water reservoirs in areas of

249101:43:57,800 --> 01:44:01,969energy I believed for a long time

249201:44:00,050 --> 01:44:05,329there's a direct energy connection

249301:44:01,969 --> 01:44:07,189related to lobby's phenomena yeah that

249401:44:05,328 --> 01:44:08,988


could be that could be and that's

249501:44:07,189 --> 01:44:11,389interesting to find that kind of

249601:44:08,988 --> 01:44:13,428information because the data speaks

249701:44:11,389 --> 01:44:15,649volumes I think more than some of the

249801:44:13,429 --> 01:44:19,130first-hand accounts and stories that you

249901:44:15,649 --> 01:44:20,899hear oh yeah well you know that's the

250001:44:19,130 --> 01:44:22,219whole thing you know like I said you

250101:44:20,899 --> 01:44:24,079know I have a lot of scientists and

250201:44:22,219 --> 01:44:26,269research people who are very skeptical

250301:44:24,078 --> 01:44:28,308of these reports and again I have never

250401:44:26,269 --> 01:44:31,880seen one personally but I've seen the

250501:44:28,309 --> 01:44:33,288evidence but after they spent years some

250601:44:31,880 --> 01:44:35,958of these guys spent years only out in

250701:44:33,288 --> 01:44:38,359the field they came in very skeptical

250801:44:35,958 --> 01:44:40,849but as they had the opportunity to get


250901:44:38,359 --> 01:44:43,188to the scene they saw the evidence at

251001:44:40,849 --> 01:44:45,170the scene they interviewed the witnesses

251101:44:43,189 --> 01:44:47,449they began over a period of time

251201:44:45,170 --> 01:44:49,850see the different patterns of the

251301:44:47,448 --> 01:44:51,738phenomena they began to realize that

251401:44:49,850 --> 01:44:54,920there is something going on here all

251501:44:51,738 --> 01:44:57,259these people can't be wrong yeah I think

251601:44:54,920 --> 01:44:59,449there's just so many and the thing that

251701:44:57,260 --> 01:45:01,219always gets me about the Bigfoot stories

251801:44:59,448 --> 01:45:03,738is that it's not a recent phenomenon

251901:45:01,219 --> 01:45:06,289it's like it's not like this started in

252001:45:03,738 --> 01:45:09,948the 1960s I have some newspaper articles

252101:45:06,289 --> 01:45:13,130that are like from the 1800s about about

252201:45:09,948 --> 01:45:15,079things like this exactly that's what I'm


252301:45:13,130 --> 01:45:17,420saying it's I mean the Native Americans

252401:45:15,079 --> 01:45:19,340have talked about it it's in the papers

252501:45:17,420 --> 01:45:21,619like it's ever the 1800s they talk about

252601:45:19,340 --> 01:45:23,710seeing hairy giants and woods and big

252701:45:21,619 --> 01:45:26,479footprints in the woods it's a long

252801:45:23,710 --> 01:45:28,429historical phenomena the earliest

252901:45:26,479 --> 01:45:29,869first-hand account that I have of a

253001:45:28,429 --> 01:45:33,050Bigfoot encounter it's very detailed

253101:45:29,869 --> 01:45:35,448goes back to 1931 and of course where

253201:45:33,050 --> 01:45:37,640that's from a Fayette County so again

253301:45:35,448 --> 01:45:40,639that those areas have a lot of history

253401:45:37,640 --> 01:45:42,739of where the thing is going on Wow and

253501:45:40,640 --> 01:45:45,350and again with the with it's such a

253601:45:42,738 --> 01:45:47,178mystery and it's it's it's really kind

2537


01:45:45,350 --> 01:45:49,160of entertaining to keep looking into it

253801:45:47,179 --> 01:45:51,619and I keep going back to it when I hear

253901:45:49,159 --> 01:45:53,300some new report or new stories is that

254001:45:51,619 --> 01:45:56,599what keeps you interested just the

254101:45:53,300 --> 01:45:57,860mystery of it well it is a mystery I've

254201:45:56,600 --> 01:46:00,699been doing this knowledge it's been a

254301:45:57,859 --> 01:46:03,649lifetime interest a lifetime pursuit and

254401:46:00,698 --> 01:46:04,849the reports continue to come in you know

254501:46:03,649 --> 01:46:06,948if you went for two or three or four

254601:46:04,850 --> 01:46:09,020years and there's no reports coming in

254701:46:06,948 --> 01:46:10,969and nothing news happening but it's

254801:46:09,020 --> 01:46:13,310ongoing it's all year round I get

254901:46:10,969 --> 01:46:15,289reports all year round all hours of the

255001:46:13,310 --> 01:46:17,539day and night and all type of weather

255101:46:15,289 --> 01:46:19,460


conditions from all types of people you

255201:46:17,539 --> 01:46:21,859know people comment police officers I've

255301:46:19,460 --> 01:46:23,920interviewed commercial military pilots

255401:46:21,859 --> 01:46:27,019air traffic controller state troopers

255501:46:23,920 --> 01:46:29,630farmers doctors nurses children I mean

255601:46:27,020 --> 01:46:31,190all kinds of people and I'm telling you

255701:46:29,630 --> 01:46:32,270I look at some of these people some of

255801:46:31,189 --> 01:46:34,759these people have tears in her eyes

255901:46:32,270 --> 01:46:36,679they're so reluctant to talk about it

256001:46:34,760 --> 01:46:38,719some of them were petrified and scared

256101:46:36,679 --> 01:46:40,579or talk to hunters and spend years out

256201:46:38,719 --> 01:46:41,689in the woods and after having a Bigfoot

256301:46:40,579 --> 01:46:43,750encounter would never go back in the

256401:46:41,689 --> 01:46:46,789woods again people have life-changing

256501:46:43,750 --> 01:46:48,738experiences and once again so many of


256601:46:46,789 --> 01:46:50,659these people were non-believers so they

256701:46:48,738 --> 01:46:52,268had their own encounter and they have

256801:46:50,659 --> 01:46:54,399trouble dealing with it

256901:46:52,269 --> 01:46:55,719yeah you know I always think this too

257001:46:54,399 --> 01:46:57,788like if somebody's trying to write a

257101:46:55,719 --> 01:46:59,649book or sell something and they come up

257201:46:57,788 --> 01:47:01,448with this story that's one thing but so

257301:46:59,649 --> 01:47:03,279many these people don't want anything I

257401:47:01,448 --> 01:47:05,109mean they don't what possible benefit

257501:47:03,279 --> 01:47:07,268could they have besides being in

257601:47:05,109 --> 01:47:11,078ridicule to come forward with a story

257701:47:07,269 --> 01:47:12,760like this you know exactly exactly and I

257801:47:11,078 --> 01:47:14,948mean over the years I mean I'm number

257901:47:12,760 --> 01:47:17,050years ago I had I had a group of


258001:47:14,948 --> 01:47:19,748commercial pilots at Metheny privately

258101:47:17,050 --> 01:47:21,730they all had very close range encounters

258201:47:19,748 --> 01:47:23,979with UFOs while they were flying and

258301:47:21,729 --> 01:47:25,388they are all reluctant than filing

258401:47:23,979 --> 01:47:26,828official report because they don't want

258501:47:25,389 --> 01:47:29,559to lose their jobs and they all do what

258601:47:26,828 --> 01:47:31,569they saw I mean they had no motive to

258701:47:29,559 --> 01:47:33,699make up these stories yeah it's

258801:47:31,569 --> 01:47:35,198unfortunate but I've heard that time and

258901:47:33,698 --> 01:47:37,388time again that especially commercial

259001:47:35,198 --> 01:47:40,388pilots like they'll just get grounded if

259101:47:37,389 --> 01:47:42,400they tell the story so they just keep it

259201:47:40,389 --> 01:47:44,199to themselves you know maybe until they

259301:47:42,399 --> 01:47:48,698retired and then they tell people what

2594


01:47:44,198 --> 01:47:50,169they saw yeah and you know now again you

259501:47:48,698 --> 01:47:51,788know not that you can believe everything

259601:47:50,170 --> 01:47:53,498on the internet but now you've got a lot

259701:47:51,788 --> 01:47:55,389more resources you see what's going on

259801:47:53,498 --> 01:47:56,769around the world I mean every day

259901:47:55,389 --> 01:47:58,449there's more reports coming in from

260001:47:56,769 --> 01:48:00,940around the world and some of these

260101:47:58,448 --> 01:48:02,259stories are very interesting some of

260201:48:00,939 --> 01:48:04,479them they're going to be skeptical about

260301:48:02,260 --> 01:48:07,300but it just shows you we're done with an

260401:48:04,479 --> 01:48:09,308ongoing phenomena with UFOs and Bigfoot

260501:48:07,300 --> 01:48:13,748and cryptids and its unending it's

260601:48:09,309 --> 01:48:16,090always going on yeah yeah and it sure

260701:48:13,748 --> 01:48:19,448keeps you busy you told me you've been

260801:48:16,090 --> 01:48:21,130


busy lately right yes all the time and

260901:48:19,448 --> 01:48:23,288no like I said just your suspense steady

261001:48:21,130 --> 01:48:25,170since the first day as a year and it's

261101:48:23,288 --> 01:48:27,729it's been steady with reports coming in

261201:48:25,170 --> 01:48:29,730well I can't thank you enough for taking

261301:48:27,729 --> 01:48:32,078the time to talk to us again about

261401:48:29,729 --> 01:48:34,029Bigfoot it's been an honor and a

261501:48:32,078 --> 01:48:37,058privilege to talk to you you're my

261601:48:34,029 --> 01:48:38,529favorite home state researcher yeah and

261701:48:37,059 --> 01:48:40,510I should mention for the benefit of my

261801:48:38,529 --> 01:48:42,908listeners and Stan gives some amazing

261901:48:40,510 --> 01:48:45,730lectures on Bigfoot and the Kecksburg

262001:48:42,908 --> 01:48:47,738incident and UFOs and the paranormal in

262101:48:45,729 --> 01:48:49,748general and again if you're interested

262201:48:47,738 --> 01:48:51,909in this subject make sure you visit his


262301:48:49,748 --> 01:48:53,859website at Stan Gordon dot info

262401:48:51,909 --> 01:48:55,869because he has some amazing books on the

262501:48:53,859 --> 01:49:00,009subject and he autographed them for you

262601:48:55,869 --> 01:49:01,779on request that's right and anyhow let's

262701:49:00,010 --> 01:49:04,000keep checking the website for updates on

262801:49:01,779 --> 01:49:06,729sighting reports and I events coming up

262901:49:04,000 --> 01:49:08,829okay great thanks Dan I appreciate you

263001:49:06,729 --> 01:49:16,809taking the time to talk to us now we

263101:49:08,829 --> 01:49:19,899enjoyed it well my friends that music

263201:49:16,810 --> 01:49:22,900means that our time is once again

263301:49:19,899 --> 01:49:26,579running short here on the midnight hour

263401:49:22,899 --> 01:49:29,949show I want to thank you sincerely for

263501:49:26,579 --> 01:49:34,210taking the time to join us for another

263601:49:29,949 --> 01:49:37,050night of incredible mysteries I also


263701:49:34,210 --> 01:49:40,329wonder once again thank my guest tonight

263801:49:37,050 --> 01:49:43,600mr. Stan Gordon you can visit his

263901:49:40,329 --> 01:49:45,909website at Stan Gordon info to get

264001:49:43,600 --> 01:49:48,840information on his books lectures and

264101:49:45,909 --> 01:49:51,789more and I encourage you to do that as

264201:49:48,840 --> 01:49:55,960for me here on our show a lot of people

264301:49:51,789 --> 01:49:58,630have been trying to contact me to be

264401:49:55,960 --> 01:50:02,319possible guests or to send me some

264501:49:58,630 --> 01:50:04,810documents or pictures of UFOs or strange

264601:50:02,319 --> 01:50:07,179creatures and I wanted to just mention

264701:50:04,810 --> 01:50:09,120it really the best way to get ahold of

264801:50:07,180 --> 01:50:11,800me is through our Facebook page just

264901:50:09,119 --> 01:50:13,989search for the midnight hour or the

265001:50:11,800 --> 01:50:16,000midnight hour show on Facebook and you

2651


01:50:13,989 --> 01:50:18,969will find our new Facebook page please

265201:50:16,000 --> 01:50:20,529do like our page and if you want to send

265301:50:18,970 --> 01:50:23,250me a message you can do it through there

265401:50:20,529 --> 01:50:26,349that's probably the best way to reach me

265501:50:23,250 --> 01:50:29,350or you could reach my consulting

265601:50:26,350 --> 01:50:31,660producer also through there mr. Richard

265701:50:29,350 --> 01:50:35,010Charles who I also like to thank for his

265801:50:31,659 --> 01:50:35,010help on the show

265901:50:35,488 --> 01:50:40,319a lot of people have been asking what's

266001:50:37,679 --> 01:50:44,460in store what's next for the midnight

266101:50:40,319 --> 01:50:46,229hour show well I have to be honest you

266201:50:44,460 --> 01:50:48,300know I mentioned this before but when we

266301:50:46,229 --> 01:50:50,459started the show we're still in pilot

266401:50:48,300 --> 01:50:52,559mode here we're still producing pilot

266501:50:50,460 --> 01:50:55,319


episodes and we'll continue to do so for

266601:50:52,559 --> 01:50:57,119just a little bit longer but I'm happy

266701:50:55,319 --> 01:51:00,538to say that we've been working really

266801:50:57,118 --> 01:51:04,738hard on getting more widespread

266901:51:00,538 --> 01:51:07,408distribution and an easier format I mean

267001:51:04,738 --> 01:51:11,069I'm one to think that where we're at now

267101:51:07,408 --> 01:51:15,299is everybody can find it but in order to

267201:51:11,069 --> 01:51:18,058spread our show and reach a greater

267301:51:15,300 --> 01:51:20,010audience of course we're looking at all

267401:51:18,059 --> 01:51:22,590these different new platforms and we're

267501:51:20,010 --> 01:51:26,369putting a lot of things in place that

267601:51:22,590 --> 01:51:30,179will vastly vastly increase our listener

267701:51:26,368 --> 01:51:32,189base and our ease you know the ease at

267801:51:30,179 --> 01:51:33,809which you would find us if you just

267901:51:32,189 --> 01:51:35,908Google us on the Internet


268001:51:33,809 --> 01:51:41,159so we're working really hard on that and

268101:51:35,908 --> 01:51:42,929we'll continue to do so and you know I

268201:51:41,158 --> 01:51:45,089also have to say that every once in a

268301:51:42,929 --> 01:51:47,190while somebody asked me why aren't you

268401:51:45,090 --> 01:51:49,949on so-and-so Network or so-and-so

268501:51:47,189 --> 01:51:52,069Network and the truth is we reached out

268601:51:49,948 --> 01:51:55,348to a bunch of those networks after

268701:51:52,069 --> 01:51:57,059producing just a few episodes and the

268801:51:55,349 --> 01:51:59,130initial reaction we got was

268901:51:57,060 --> 01:52:02,370pleat and total rejection then that's

269001:51:59,130 --> 01:52:04,829sad but the news is not all bad and

269101:52:02,369 --> 01:52:06,420listen I had a conversation with a few

269201:52:04,829 --> 01:52:08,279of these organizations and one of them

269301:52:06,420 --> 01:52:10,380was very reasonable and that's the one


269401:52:08,279 --> 01:52:12,659that I want to be on and we're still

269501:52:10,380 --> 01:52:14,909trying to work it out but some of these

269601:52:12,659 --> 01:52:17,399other organizations I'm just sure I

269701:52:14,909 --> 01:52:19,619don't want to be a part of honestly I

269801:52:17,399 --> 01:52:22,259they have hosts that had a hundred or

269901:52:19,619 --> 01:52:24,599200 listens and years of their stuff

270001:52:22,260 --> 01:52:26,310being on the internet and they had

270101:52:24,600 --> 01:52:28,530attitudes towards me and told me

270201:52:26,310 --> 01:52:31,620everything that I was doing wrong and

270301:52:28,529 --> 01:52:34,380why my show would not be a good fit and

270401:52:31,619 --> 01:52:37,019why my show will never work and why I

270501:52:34,380 --> 01:52:40,619can't be a part of their prestigious

270601:52:37,020 --> 01:52:41,520organization it's a joke folks it's a

270701:52:40,619 --> 01:52:43,470total joke

2708


01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:44,790and everybody is putting on airs and

270901:52:43,470 --> 01:52:48,000pretending to be something they're not

271001:52:44,789 --> 01:52:49,890and this is not new to me man I came up

271101:52:48,000 --> 01:52:52,319in the entertainment field like you

271201:52:49,890 --> 01:52:55,020think I haven't seen people who made

271301:52:52,319 --> 01:52:58,139their whole you know image out of

271401:52:55,020 --> 01:53:00,840bullshit before like that that is not

271501:52:58,140 --> 01:53:03,420new to me that is not new to me but the

271601:53:00,840 --> 01:53:06,840difference here the difference here is

271701:53:03,420 --> 01:53:09,840that you could see the difference

271801:53:06,840 --> 01:53:12,480between somebody who just made up their

271901:53:09,840 --> 01:53:15,680image out of bullshit and somebody who's

272001:53:12,479 --> 01:53:19,889doing well because numbers do not lie

272101:53:15,680 --> 01:53:24,060math doesn't lie okay and this is maybe

272201:53:19,890 --> 01:53:26,730


it's 21st century form of radio or audio

272301:53:24,060 --> 01:53:30,600entertainment but it's still just like

272401:53:26,729 --> 01:53:32,279radio back in the old days ratings see

272501:53:30,600 --> 01:53:34,710that's what some of these organizations

272601:53:32,279 --> 01:53:36,929didn't want to talk about because you

272701:53:34,710 --> 01:53:38,930know we really thought the way for us to

272801:53:36,930 --> 01:53:41,369go was to become a part of some existing

272901:53:38,930 --> 01:53:43,409organization like this but there was one

273001:53:41,369 --> 01:53:46,050in particular that talked to me like I

273101:53:43,409 --> 01:53:48,420was a complete and total idiot they

273201:53:46,050 --> 01:53:50,279treated me horribly

273301:53:48,420 --> 01:53:52,890they talked down to me they were

273401:53:50,279 --> 01:53:55,349insulting they told me my show would

273501:53:52,890 --> 01:53:56,940never work and here's all the things

273601:53:55,350 --> 01:53:59,760you're doing wrong and all these things


273701:53:56,939 --> 01:54:01,679and I don't know but you know after

273801:53:59,760 --> 01:54:03,600getting completely and totally rejected

273901:54:01,680 --> 01:54:05,130by them I wanted to I looked into them a

274001:54:03,600 --> 01:54:07,110little more you know because I thought

274101:54:05,130 --> 01:54:08,600you know maybe they're right maybe I'm

274201:54:07,109 --> 01:54:11,569not doing good enough to be

274301:54:08,600 --> 01:54:13,190a part of their thing I'm you know and I

274401:54:11,569 --> 01:54:16,159started doubting myself but then I

274501:54:13,189 --> 01:54:17,809looked into their numbers the numbers

274601:54:16,159 --> 01:54:22,130folks the numbers don't lie

274701:54:17,810 --> 01:54:24,320because I think they have 10 or 12 hosts

274801:54:22,130 --> 01:54:26,119that have shows that have been going on

274901:54:24,319 --> 01:54:29,899for years and years and years so their

275001:54:26,119 --> 01:54:31,670existing shows with I would I would have


275101:54:29,899 --> 01:54:33,170assumed had some kind of built-in

275201:54:31,670 --> 01:54:34,760listener base because those shows been

275301:54:33,170 --> 01:54:37,699going for years and years and years but

275401:54:34,760 --> 01:54:39,650then I looked at you know let's take one

275501:54:37,699 --> 01:54:43,429month like let's take a month that I

275601:54:39,649 --> 01:54:45,259released a show and let's you know look

275701:54:43,430 --> 01:54:48,650at all the shows that their hosts

275801:54:45,260 --> 01:54:51,530released and what we found is you could

275901:54:48,649 --> 01:54:54,649add up the lessons or the ratings from

276001:54:51,529 --> 01:54:57,050ten or twelve of their hosts all the

276101:54:54,649 --> 01:54:59,569hosts on in their organization for one

276201:54:57,050 --> 01:55:02,779episode and around the same timeframe I

276301:54:59,569 --> 01:55:04,969had an episode and my one episode beat

276401:55:02,779 --> 01:55:07,579all ten or twelve their hosts added

2765


01:55:04,970 --> 01:55:09,980together and you know it's just this

276601:55:07,579 --> 01:55:12,559kind of stuff just drives me crazy like

276701:55:09,979 --> 01:55:15,319this is the this is an organization

276801:55:12,560 --> 01:55:16,640that's gonna treat me so terribly it's

276901:55:15,319 --> 01:55:18,889gonna talk down to me like they're

277001:55:16,640 --> 01:55:20,360experts and how to do this and I'm an

277101:55:18,890 --> 01:55:22,490idiot and I don't know what I'm doing

277201:55:20,359 --> 01:55:23,389and I've never you know what I'm doing

277301:55:22,489 --> 01:55:26,119is never gonna work

277401:55:23,390 --> 01:55:28,880then somebody needs to explain to me why

277501:55:26,119 --> 01:55:31,399I'm beating ten or twelve their hosts on

277601:55:28,880 --> 01:55:33,050a per episode basis they can add up all

277701:55:31,399 --> 01:55:35,269ten or twelve their hosts and I still

277801:55:33,050 --> 01:55:37,699beat their numbers by myself I don't

277901:55:35,270 --> 01:55:39,680


understand it folks and you know what

278001:55:37,699 --> 01:55:41,899I'm just not gonna try to understand it

278101:55:39,680 --> 01:55:44,600we're gonna keep going and doing what we

278201:55:41,899 --> 01:55:48,049do and doing it well and you know folks

278301:55:44,600 --> 01:55:51,740I had an incredible mentor some time ago

278401:55:48,050 --> 01:55:53,390who sadly has passed on but he had an

278501:55:51,739 --> 01:55:55,909incredible saying and I will always

278601:55:53,390 --> 01:55:58,070remember and I think it's relevant here

278701:55:55,909 --> 01:56:00,920he used to tell me over and over again

278801:55:58,069 --> 01:56:02,659it's always best to be the lion son it's

278901:56:00,920 --> 01:56:04,670always best be the lion

279001:56:02,659 --> 01:56:07,369and eventually I guess than what he

279101:56:04,670 --> 01:56:09,380meant because I just didn't get it then

279201:56:07,369 --> 01:56:12,800he told me why it's always best to be

279301:56:09,380 --> 01:56:16,039the lion because a lion does not ask


279401:56:12,800 --> 01:56:18,380permission to win a lion always wins

279501:56:16,039 --> 01:56:21,170because that's just in the nature of the

279601:56:18,380 --> 01:56:21,980lion the lion does not ask the

279701:56:21,170 --> 01:56:24,949permission

279801:56:21,979 --> 01:56:28,219the sheep to win a fight with the Sheep

279901:56:24,949 --> 01:56:32,750he just kills them and eats them because

280001:56:28,220 --> 01:56:34,520that is the nature of a lion a lion just

280101:56:32,750 --> 01:56:38,029always wins

280201:56:34,520 --> 01:56:41,300I gotta tell you folks he was the best

280301:56:38,029 --> 01:56:43,309teacher mentor and friend in the

280401:56:41,300 --> 01:56:46,340entertainment field that I've ever had

280501:56:43,310 --> 01:56:49,370in my entire life and I miss him with my

280601:56:46,340 --> 01:56:50,779entire heart and soul and every once in

280701:56:49,369 --> 01:56:52,670a while when I'm feeling a little bit


280801:56:50,779 --> 01:56:54,710too challenged or I'm feeling down or

280901:56:52,670 --> 01:56:57,829beaten up or that the odds are really

281001:56:54,710 --> 01:56:59,270stacked against me I just remember him

281101:56:57,829 --> 01:57:02,750and some of the things that he taught me

281201:56:59,270 --> 01:57:05,660and I smiled to myself and I remember to

281301:57:02,750 --> 01:57:07,850always be the lion and that my friends

281401:57:05,659 --> 01:57:10,069is kind of where we're at right now and

281501:57:07,850 --> 01:57:12,470you know what I'm really good with that

281601:57:10,069 --> 01:57:16,039and now I'm still a little bit in fight

281701:57:12,470 --> 01:57:18,470mode mostly I'm in gratitude and I want

281801:57:16,039 --> 01:57:20,359to thank you all you guys that keep on

281901:57:18,470 --> 01:57:23,210tuning in they keep on encouraging me

282001:57:20,359 --> 01:57:27,289sending me information helping me get

282101:57:23,210 --> 01:57:29,000new new guests and especially my new

2822


01:57:27,289 --> 01:57:30,920consulting producer Richard Charles

282301:57:29,000 --> 01:57:33,649who's largely responsible for the

282401:57:30,920 --> 01:57:34,670success of this show man I'm feeling you

282501:57:33,649 --> 01:57:37,789know somebody asked me do you feel

282601:57:34,670 --> 01:57:39,079vindicated not really I don't understand

282701:57:37,789 --> 01:57:42,409that's how I feel

282801:57:39,079 --> 01:57:45,050but mostly I feel gratitude towards all

282901:57:42,409 --> 01:57:47,000my new friends and listeners who are

283001:57:45,050 --> 01:57:49,699tuning in and supporting us and I want

283101:57:47,000 --> 01:57:51,890to sincerely thank you for that coming

283201:57:49,699 --> 01:57:55,099up we've got some incredible shows and I

283301:57:51,890 --> 01:57:58,700hope that you will join us again for the

283401:57:55,100 --> 01:58:02,300midnight hour I'm Stephen cambian also

283501:57:58,699 --> 01:58:04,939known as the mystery man your host here

283601:58:02,300 --> 01:58:08,360


on the midnight hour thanking you for

283701:58:04,939 --> 01:58:10,939tuning in and reminding you that if you

283801:58:08,359 --> 01:58:12,289ever have a time in your life when you

283901:58:10,939 --> 01:58:14,479feel

284001:58:12,289 --> 01:58:18,170that there are just too many tremendous

284101:58:14,479 --> 01:58:21,829challenges ahead of you when you feel

284201:58:18,170 --> 01:58:25,880like you just don't know the right road

284301:58:21,829 --> 01:58:29,140to take when you feel like the entire

284401:58:25,880 --> 01:58:32,300world has told you you're gonna lose

284501:58:29,140 --> 01:58:35,270when the whole world that seems has

284601:58:32,300 --> 01:58:37,520counted you out don't let that affect

284701:58:35,270 --> 01:58:41,000you shake it off

284801:58:37,520 --> 01:58:48,760smile to yourself and remember remember

284901:58:41,000 --> 01:58:52,880my friends to always always be low lying

285001:58:48,760 --> 01:58:57,760you'll be glad you did til next time


285101:58:52,880 --> 01:59:03,038folks I'm Stephen Campion good night

285201:58:57,760 --> 01:59:03,039[Music]

285301:59:05,789 --> 01:59:11,289[Music]

285401:59:14,470 --> 01:59:42,930[Music]

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