the mayo clinic health policy center plan (robert smoldt)
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National Press FoundationWhy Pursue Health Reform One Providers View
National Press FoundationWhy Pursue Health Reform One Providers View
Robert K. SmoldtMayo Clinic
November 14, 2007
Robert K. SmoldtMayo Clinic
November 14, 2007
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Fundamental Issuesfrom a Providers Perspective
Fundamental Issuesfrom a Providers Perspective
Uninsured Uninsured
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Ian Morrison*Ian Morrison*
The U.S. is theonly country where
owning a gunis a right and
getting health care
is a privilege
The U.S. is theonly country where
owning a gunis a right and
getting health care
is a privilege
*Ian Morrison quote from Mayo Clinic/RANDHealth Reform Forum, March 6, 2007
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Fundamental Issuesfrom a Providers Perspective
Fundamental Issuesfrom a Providers Perspective
Uninsured
Variable quality
Uninsured
Variable quality
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70.270.2MinnesotaMinnesota Mortality Amenable
to Health Care
Mortality Amenable
to Health Care
International variation, 1998International variation, 1998
Deaths before age 75that are potentially
preventable with timelyand appropriate
medical care
Deaths before age 75that are potentially
preventable with timelyand appropriate
medical care
Source: Commonwealth FundNational Scorecard on U.S. Health
System Performance, 2006
Source: Commonwealth FundNational Scorecard on U.S. Health
System Performance, 2006
Deaths per 100,000 populationDeaths per 100,000 population
8181
8484
8888
8888
8888
92929797
9797
9999
106106
107107
109109109109
115115
129129
130130
132132
7575
114.7114.7
00 5050 100100 150150
FranceFranceJapanJapan
SpainSpain
SwedenSweden
ItalyItaly
AustraliaAustralia
CanadaCanadaNorwayNorway
NetherlandsNetherlands
GreeceGreece
GermanyGermany
AustriaAustria
New ZealandNew ZealandDenmarkDenmark
U.S.U.S.
FinlandFinland
IrelandIreland
U.K.U.K.
PortugalPortugal
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Fundamental Issuesfrom a Providers Perspective
Fundamental Issuesfrom a Providers Perspective
Uninsured
Variable quality
Disintegrated,fragmented care
Uninsured
Variable quality
Disintegrated,fragmented care
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Why is coordinated,integrated care needed?
Why is coordinated,integrated care needed?
Medicare patients with 4+ chronicconditions are what % of total cost?
68% Yearly per person average
13 physicians
50 prescriptions
Medicare patients with 4+ chronicconditions are what % of total cost?
68% Yearly per person average
13 physicians
50 prescriptions
Sources: WSJ, Feb 8, 2006; Archives of IM, Nov 11, 2002
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Fundamental Issuesfrom a Providers Perspective
Fundamental Issuesfrom a Providers Perspective
Uninsured
Variable quality
Disintegrated,fragmented care
High cost
Uninsured
Variable quality
Disintegrated,fragmented care
High cost
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Is U.S. only place where health carecosts are rising?
Is U.S. only place where health carecosts are rising?
Health spending per person in real terms,average annual % increase 1970-2002
Health spending per person in real terms,average annual % increase 1970-2002
Source: The Health of Nations, Economist, July 17, 2004
4.0%4.0%OtherOECDcountries
OtherOECDcountries
4.4%4.4%
00 1.01.0 2.02.0 3.03.0 4.04.0 5.05.0
U.S.U.S.
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Variability in EfficiencyVariability in Efficiency
Leapfrogs Honor Roll 39 U.S. teachinghospitals (based primarily on processmeasures)
Dartmouth data on cost per Medicareenrollee in last 6 months of life*
Most efficient hospital $15,800
Least efficient $45,600
Leapfrogs Honor Roll 39 U.S. teachinghospitals (based primarily on processmeasures)
Dartmouth data on cost per Medicareenrollee in last 6 months of life*
Most efficient hospital $15,800
Least efficient $45,600
*Dartmouth Atlas, 2006(?)
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A view that health spending does yieldbenefits
A view that health spending does yieldbenefits
NY Times, August 22, 2006:Making Health Care the Enginethat Drives the Economy
By 2030, predicts Robert Fogel, NobelLaureate at the University of Chicago, about 25%of GDP will be spent in health care making it thedriving force of the economy. Dr. Fogel is notalarmed. Americans can afford it. He explains,
At the end of the 19th century, food, clothing andshelter accounted for 80% of the family budget.Today it is about a third.
NY Times, August 22, 2006:Making Health Care the Enginethat Drives the Economy
By 2030, predicts Robert Fogel, NobelLaureate at the University of Chicago, about 25%of GDP will be spent in health care making it thedriving force of the economy. Dr. Fogel is notalarmed. Americans can afford it. He explains,
At the end of the 19th century, food, clothing andshelter accounted for 80% of the family budget.Today it is about a third.
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A view that health spending does yieldbenefits
A view that health spending does yieldbenefits
NY Times, August 22, 2006:Making Health Care the Enginethat Drives the Economy
Says Robert E. Hall (Stanford) andCharles I. Jones (University of California, Berkley),We have to spend our money on something.So we get older and richer, which is morevaluable: a third car, yet another television, more
clothingor an extra yearof your life?
NY Times, August 22, 2006:Making Health Care the Enginethat Drives the Economy
Says Robert E. Hall (Stanford) andCharles I. Jones (University of California, Berkley),We have to spend our money on something.So we get older and richer, which is morevaluable: a third car, yet another television, more
clothingor an extra yearof your life?
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Mayo Clinic Health Policy CenterMayo Clinic Health Policy Center
Goal
Influence stakeholders to implement
substantive health care reformbefore 2011 that will preserve qualityand availability of health care for allpatients
Goal
Influence stakeholders to implement
substantive health care reformbefore 2011 that will preserve qualityand availability of health care for allpatients
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Top Issues from SymposiumTop Issues from Symposium
Baker Center Univ. of TennesseeBaker Center Univ. of Tennessee Health insurance for all Americans Health insurance for all Americans
Improving effectiveness and
efficiency
Improving effectiveness and
efficiency
Improving integration of care Improving integration of care
Pay for value Pay for value
Harvard Kennedy Health Policy CenterHarvard Kennedy Health Policy Center
RAND CorporationRAND Corporation
Dartmouth Evaluative Clinical SciencesDartmouth Evaluative Clinical Sciences
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Individual Ownershipof Insurance for All
Individual Ownershipof Insurance for All
Provide health insurance and access to basichealth care for all Americans regardlessof their ability to pay
Require individual ownership of insurance Provide sliding-scale subsidies for those in need
Create a simple mechanism (FEHBP) tocoordinate insurance offerings
Appoint an independent health board to defineessential health care services
Allow people the option to buy more coverage
Provide health insurance and access to basichealth care for all Americans regardlessof their ability to pay
Require individual ownership of insurance Provide sliding-scale subsidies for those in need
Create a simple mechanism (FEHBP) tocoordinate insurance offerings
Appoint an independent health board to defineessential health care services
Allow people the option to buy more coverage
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Are there models of this approach?Are there models of this approach?
NetherlandsNetherlands
FEHBPFEHBP
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Effectiveness and EfficiencyEffectiveness and Efficiency
Increase quality and patient satisfaction.Decrease medical errors, costs and waste.
Develop a common definition of value
Measure and display outcomes, patientsatisfaction scores and costs as a whole
Create a trusted mechanism to synthesizescientific, clinical and medical information
Reward consumers for choosing high-qualityhealth plans and providers
Hold all sectors accountable for reducingwaste and inefficiencies
Increase quality and patient satisfaction.Decrease medical errors, costs and waste.
Develop a common definition of value
Measure and display outcomes, patientsatisfaction scores and costs as a whole
Create a trusted mechanism to synthesizescientific, clinical and medical information
Reward consumers for choosing high-qualityhealth plans and providers
Hold all sectors accountable for reducingwaste and inefficiencies
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Improving IntegrationImproving Integration
Patient care services must be coordinated acrosspeople, functions, activities, sites and timeto increase value
Center care around the needs of the patient
Form coordinated systems to deliver effectiveand appropriate care to patients
Develop incentives to encourage teamwork
Increase support for health care delivery science
Provide accurate information so patients canmake informed decisions
Patient care services must be coordinated acrosspeople, functions, activities, sites and timeto increase value
Center care around the needs of the patient
Form coordinated systems to deliver effectiveand appropriate care to patients
Develop incentives to encourage teamwork
Increase support for health care delivery science
Provide accurate information so patients canmake informed decisions
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Mayo/Dartmouth ForumMayo/Dartmouth Forum
Principles for Payment Reform
Payment systems should be designed toprovide patients with no less than the care
they need and no more than fullyinformed, cost-conscious patients wouldwant
Pay providers based on value
measurable outcomes, safety and servicecompared to the cost over time
Principles for Payment Reform
Payment systems should be designed toprovide patients with no less than the care
they need and no more than fullyinformed, cost-conscious patients wouldwant
Pay providers based on value
measurable outcomes, safety and servicecompared to the cost over time
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Mayo/Dartmouth ForumMayo/Dartmouth ForumProvider scores on the importance of continuing
development of the payment approachProvider scores on the importance of continuing
development of the payment approach
00 22 44 66 88 1010
Score (10 = very important)Score (10 = very important)
FFS with shared savingsFFS with shared savings
Overall capitationOverall capitation
FFS with outcomes rewardFFS with outcomes reward
5.65.6
5.85.8
5.95.9
Mini-capitationMini-capitation
Shared decision makingShared decision making
Chronic disease coordinator(medical home)
Chronic disease coordinator(medical home)
7.57.5
7.67.6
8.68.6
Present Medicare P4P based onprocess delivered by individual provider
Present Medicare P4P based onprocess delivered by individual provider
1.81.8
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Dr. Len M. Nichols(New America Foundation) testimony to U.S.
Committee of the Budget, June 26, 2007
Dr. Len M. Nichols(New America Foundation) testimony to U.S.
Committee of the Budget, June 26, 2007
The secret is not, however, to re-jigger10,000 prices in 3,000 counties so that we
get them right once and for all (untilmedical knowledge or technology or inputprices change again). The secret is
tobundle ever-larger sets of services into
one payment, which frees clinicians andproviders to find the most efficient way todeliver health.
The secret is not, however, to re-jigger10,000 prices in 3,000 counties so that we
get them right once and for all (untilmedical knowledge or technology or inputprices change again). The secret is
tobundle ever-larger sets of services into
one payment, which frees clinicians andproviders to find the most efficient way todeliver health.
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Hypothetical example of problemwith line item pricing emphasis
Hypothetical example of problemwith line item pricing emphasis
MDTeam A
$7,200
0.5
$18,000
2,500
$45.0 M
MDTeam A
$7,200
0.5
$18,000
2,500
$45.0 M
MDTeam B
$6,500
1.2
$21,000
4,400
$92.4 M
MDTeam B
$6,500
1.2
$21,000
4,400
$92.4 M
CoronaryAngioplasty
Fee
ICU days
Cost per episode
No. per 1 million
populationCost per 1 million
population
CoronaryAngioplasty
Fee
ICU days
Cost per episode
No. per 1 million
populationCost per 1 million
population
Cost of Bas % of A
-10%
+17%
+105%
Cost of Bas % of A
-10%
+17%
+105%
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Total Cost =Price x Use Rate
Total Cost =Price x Use Rate
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Price Controls: Graysons MaximPrice Controls: Graysons Maxim
Add (price) controls and you will see newservices appear. Expect unbundling ofservices with the price of individual units,
when added together, totaling more thanthe original services.
C. Jackson Grayson Jr.Chair, U.S. Price Commission (1971-1973)
Add (price) controls and you will see newservices appear. Expect unbundling ofservices with the price of individual units,
when added together, totaling more thanthe original services.
C. Jackson Grayson Jr.Chair, U.S. Price Commission (1971-1973)
Source: Wall Street Journal, 29 Mar 1993
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Annual Rates of Increase in Physician Feesand Expenditures/Fee-for-Service BeneficiaryAnnual Rates of Increase in Physician Fees
and Expenditures/Fee-for-Service Beneficiary
Source: Letter to Medicare Payment Advisory Commissionfrom Herb B. Kuhn, Director, Center for Medicare Management, CMS 4/7/06
as referenced by Dr. Stuart Guterman, The Commonwealth Fund
.4
-0.7
7.4 7.4
-
0
4
6 Fees
SGR-related
expenditures/fee-for-servicebeneficiary
Fees
SGR-related
expenditures/fee-for-servicebeneficiary
Annualpercentchange
Annualpercentchange
1997- 0011997- 001 001- 005001- 005
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Price Controls: Graysons MaximPrice Controls: Graysons Maxim
No matter how simply you begin,your controls will get morecomplex and voluminous.
We started with3 pagesof regulations and ended with1,534. In an effort to correct oneinequity, you create another.
C. Jackson Grayson Jr.Chair, U.S. Price Commission (1971-1973)
No matter how simply you begin,your controls will get morecomplex and voluminous.
We started with3 pagesof regulations and ended with1,534. In an effort to correct oneinequity, you create another.
C. Jackson Grayson Jr.Chair, U.S. Price Commission (1971-1973)
Source: Wall Street Journal, 29 Mar 1993
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Patient/Public Input Focus GroupsPatient/Public Input Focus Groups
Six sessions in Atlanta, Cincinnati,and Los Angeles with chronicdisease patients
Reviewed cornerstones of MCHPCrecommendations without identifyingthem with Mayo Clinic: Insurance
for all, coordinated care, value
Six sessions in Atlanta, Cincinnati,and Los Angeles with chronicdisease patients
Reviewed cornerstones of MCHPCrecommendations without identifyingthem with Mayo Clinic: Insurance
for all, coordinated care, value
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Public Views OverallPublic Views Overall
Cornerstones accepted when explainedbut are not self evident
When changing delivery system,concerned about major shifts
Recommend a phased approach trynew things, see if work, then put in playmore broadly
People are dissatisfied with U.S. healthsystem, BUT are happy with their providers
Change could make things worsefor them
Cornerstones accepted when explainedbut are not self evident
When changing delivery system,concerned about major shifts
Recommend a phased approach trynew things, see if work, then put in playmore broadly
People are dissatisfied with U.S. healthsystem, BUT are happy with their providers
Change could make things worsefor them
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YOUR VOICE, NEW VISION ProgramYOUR VOICE, NEW VISION Program
Nine city tour to collect letters and filmand record woman/man on the streetviews
Mayo organized, but other partners:
Partners
American Hospital Association
American Medical Group Association Kaiser Permanente
Nine city tour to collect letters and filmand record woman/man on the streetviews
Mayo organized, but other partners:
Partners
American Hospital Association
American Medical Group Association Kaiser Permanente
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Mayo Clinic National Symposiumon Health Care Reform
Mayo Clinic National Symposiumon Health Care Reform
Brief review of forum principles
Review/analyze major health reform proposalsfrom presidential candidates
Identify/prioritize actions that different sectorscan take to contribute to positive health carereform
Begin creating an action plan for change
Brief review of forum principles
Review/analyze major health reform proposalsfrom presidential candidates
Identify/prioritize actions that different sectorscan take to contribute to positive health carereform
Begin creating an action plan for change
March 9-11, 2008Leesburg, VA
March 9-11, 2008Leesburg, VA