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Page 1: The Great Debate: Is There a Limit? “Yes” Physiocrats Classical economists Ecological economists Ecologists “No” Neoclassical economists Corporations
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The Great Debate: Is There a Limit?

“Yes”

• Physiocrats

• Classical economists

• Ecological economists

• Ecologists

“No”

• Neoclassical economists

• Corporations

• Politicians

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The “Information Economy”

• What is the information used for?

• How does one come to afford the information?

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And yet we hear:

“Some people just don’t get it.

There is no conflict between

economic growth and

environmental protection!”

Why do they persist?

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Goals• Replace national goal of “economic

growth” with national goal of steady state economy.

• Replace bloating economy with steady state economy.

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Revolutions 

• Magnitude of change

• Pace of change

• “When evolution won’t cut it”

• Evolution combined with revolt

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Steady State Revolution

• Academic, social

• Peaceable, not pacifistic

• Models–abolition of child labor

–reduction of smoking

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Academic Phase

• Replacement of neoclassical

economic growth theory

• Refocusing of curricula

• More public outreach

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Social Phase• “Economic growth” reconstructed

as economic bloating

• Dollar spent is dollar burned

• Castigation of the liquidating class

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Class Structure of the Steady State Revolution

•  Liquidating class

• Steady state class

• Amorphic class

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Percentile: 80 99 100

Expenditures

Consumption Classes

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Percentile: 80 99 100

Expenditures

Consumption Classes

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Percentile: 80 99 100

Expenditures

Consumption Classes

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Percentile: 80 99 100

Expenditures

Consumption Classes

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Liquidators

Steady Staters

Amorphs

                      

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Amorphic Class

Steady State Class

Liquidating Class

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Amorphic Class

Liquidating Class

Steady State Class

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Economic Rationale

• “Trickle-down consumption”

• Redistribution of wealth compensates for reduced per capita consumption

• Reduction of waste

• Leads toward steady state economy

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Liquidators

Amorphs

Ecological Capacity

PovertyLineSome Steady Staters

Most Steady Staters

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Liquidators

Amorphs Liquidators

Amorphs

Steady Staters

Ecological Capacity

PovertyLineSome Steady Staters

Most Steady Staters

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Political Rationale

• No “everyone revolt against everybody”

• Taps into predisposition

• Readily identifiable classes

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Psychological Rationale

• Darwin, Veblen, Maslow

• Cure for “liquidator syndrome”

• Ratcheting effect toward

sustainable ideology

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Maslow’s Hierarchy 1) Food

2) Security

3) Love, affection, reproduction

4) Self-esteem

5) Self-actualization

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Sociopolitical Rationale

• Ideological horse before the public

policy cart

• Supplementary to policy

prescriptions

• Replaces politicians, not system

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Ethics I • Equity (current, intergenerational)

• Consistent with religions: Buddhist,

Christian, Hindu, Islamic, Judaic

• “Devil in the details” of castigation

• Tolerance overrated

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Ethics II• “Why do they hate Americans?”

– It’s the economy, stupid!

– Conspicuous consumption not everything, but

major thing

• SSR beats violent alternatives

• “Speaking truth to power”

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