Technical Committee on Hazardous Chemicals AGENDA

Pre-FD Meeting December 1-2, 2015

8 AM-5 PM Sheraton San Diego Hotel and Marina

San Diego, CA

Note - Continental Breakfast served every morning at 7:30 AM. Lunch will be provided on day one only.

1. Welcome and Agenda Review. Bob James, Chair.

2. Introductions and Update of Committee Roster (attached).

3. Approval of Second Draft Meeting Minutes from August 5-7, 2014 (attached).

4. Task Groups established at SD meeting - Reports and Status.

AN Task Group - Noel Hsu.

Chapter 15 Task Group - Tony Ordile.

Chapter 14 Task group - Paul Iacobucci.

Chapter 6 Extracts from 5000 - Pat McLaughlin.

Common Path - Marty Gresho.

Separation Distance Task Group and Research Foundation Report - Ron Thomas

and Elizabeth Buc.

NFPA 40 Task Group - Milt Shefter.

5. Update on Research Foundation Project Proposals - Tony Ordile, Paul Iacobucci.

6. TDSD Facilities Report and Status Update - Elizabeth Buc and Janna Shapiro.

7. TIA to correct error in Flammable liquids in Table 5.2.1.6. Other issues for TIA? - Nancy Pearce.

8. Presentation NFPA 40 Update Wisconsin Study Findings - Heather Heckman and Katie Mullen.

9. Other Issues to be addressed in upcoming revision-(also see attached To Do list).

How does NFPA 400 address “handling” - Marty Gresho.

NFPA 55 extract issue - Marty Gresho.

Footnote g in Table 5.2.1.1.3 - Lynne Kilpatrick.

Other issues noted in attached.

10. Old Business.

11. New Business.

12 Staff Review of Timeline for Annual 2018 Revision Cycle for NFPA 40/400 (attached).

13. Scheduling Next Meeting.

12. Adjourn.

Committee Roster

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Nancy Pearce11/16/2015

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Robert J. James

ChairUL LLC8751 Ashworth DriveTampa, FL 33647-2269Underwriters Laboratories Inc.

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James C. Belke

PrincipalUS Environmental Protection Agency1200 Pennsylvania Ave. NW, (MC5104A)Washington, DC 20460Alternate: Kathleen A. Franklin

E 3/21/2006

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Elizabeth C. Buc

PrincipalFire & Materials Research Laboratory, LLC33025 Industrial RoadLivonia, MI 48150-1619

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Chris M. Connealy

PrincipalTexas Department of InsuranceState Fire MarshalPO Box 149221, Mail Code 112-FM333 Guadalupe StreetAustin, TX 78714-9221

E 10/23/2013

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Edwin D. Cope

PrincipalCope Engineering8922 Croes DriveHouston, TX 77055Alternate: David S. Shatzer

SE 1/16/2003HCS-AAA

Dirk Der Kinderen

PrincipalUS Department of TransportationPipeline & Hazardous Materials Safety Administration1200 New Jersey Avenue, SEEast Building, 2nd FloorWashington, DC 20590-0001

E 8/9/2011

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Mark J. Dossett

PrincipalSan Diego Fire-Rescue Department1010 Second Avenue, Suite 300San Diego, CA 92101-4903California Fire Chiefs AssociationAlternate: James Carver

E 7/28/2006HCS-AAA

Robert Fash

PrincipalLas Vegas Fire & Rescue500 North Casino Center Blvd.Las Vegas, NV 89101-2944Fire Code Committee

E 3/21/2006

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Henry L. Febo, Jr.

PrincipalFM GlobalEngineering Standards1151 Boston-Providence TurnpikePO Box 9102Norwood, MA 02062-9102

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Martin T. Gresho

PrincipalFP2Fire, Inc.1140 Indian Peak RoadGolden, CO 80403-9403Alternate: Scott M. Heyworth

SE 3/21/2006

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Rhett Jason Hesprich

PrincipalPond & Company3500 Parkway Lane, Suite 600Norcross, GA 30092-2861Alternate: Kathleen Nehmer

SE 10/29/2012HCS-AAA

Peter Paul Howell

PrincipalMark V, Inc.23 Edgewood DriveHurricane, WV 25526

SE 7/29/2005

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Nancy Pearce11/16/2015

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Noel Hsu

PrincipalOrica USA Inc.33101 East Quincy AvenueWatkins, CO 80137The Fertilizer Institute

M 10/27/2009HCS-AAA

Paul A. Iacobucci

PrincipalAkzo Nobel525 West Van Buren StreetChicago, IL 60607SPI/Organic Peroxide Producers Safety Division

M 8/9/2011

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Lynne M. Kilpatrick

PrincipalSunnyvale Department of Public SafetyFire Marshal700 All America WaySunnyvale, CA 94086

E 7/28/2006HCS-AAA

Kevin Kreitman

PrincipalAlbany Fire Department4105 Moose Run Drive SWAlbany, OR 97321-5160

E 3/21/2006

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Todd Laberge

PrincipalLawrence Berkeley National Laboratory1929 Huxley StreetSan Jose, CA 95125-5907

U 08/17/2015HCS-AAA

R. Kenneth Lee

PrincipalAxiall LLC154 Marina PointHot Springs, AR 71913Alternate: Richard H. Ferguson

M 10/10/1998

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Joyce Miles

PrincipalExxonMobil Research & Engineering22777 Springwoods Village ParkwayScience 2, 2A.353Spring, TX 77389-1425American Chemistry CouncilAlternate: Clark D. Shepard

U 07/29/2013HCS-AAA

Kirk Mitchell

PrincipalKirk Mitchell & Associates, LLC1897 Floyd StreetFernandina Beach, FL 32034Isocyanurates Industry Adhoc CommitteeAlternate: Thomas Kuechler

M 10/20/2010

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Ken Scott Mueller

PrincipalCHS - Cenex Harvest States9609 Wildwood LaneChatham, IL 62629Agricultural Retailers AssociationAlternate: Steve Ferrara

U 07/29/2013HCS-AAA

Eugene Y. Ngai

PrincipalChemically Speaking LLC26 Casper Berger RoadWhitehouse Station, NJ 08889

SE 3/15/2007

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Anthony M. Ordile

PrincipalHaines Fire & Risk Consulting Corporation1 Linda Lane, Suite BSouthampton, NJ 08088Alternate: Sergio Pineda

SE 10/1/1993HCS-AAA

Jerald Pierrottie

PrincipalLonza Group Ltd.1717 North Woodland Forest DriveLake Charles, LA 70611-3754

M 7/23/2008

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Nancy Pearce11/16/2015

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Jerrold Sameth

PrincipalCompressed Gas Association, Inc.290 DeMott AvenueClifton, NJ 07011-3749Alternate: Richard A. Craig

M 07/29/2013HCS-AAA

Milton R. Shefter

PrincipalMiljoy Ent. Incorporated13078 Mindanao Way, Suite 214Marina del Rey, CA 90292

VL to Document: NFPA 40

U 10/3/2002

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Ronald Thomas

PrincipalInstitute of Makers of Explosives15 West Oak DriveWoodland Hills, UT 84653-2034Institute of Makers of Explosives

M 03/03/2014HCS-AAA

James O. Vigerust, Jr.

PrincipalCB&I2440 Louisiana Boulevard NE, Suite 300Albuquerque, NM 87110NFPA Industrial Fire Protection Section

SE 03/07/2013

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Michael A. Viggiani

PrincipalGeorge Eastman House900 East AvenueRochester, NY 14607Alternate: Edward Stratmann

VL to Document: NFPA 40

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Jerry W. Wallace

PrincipalSafety Engineering Laboratories, Inc.27803 College Park DriveWarren, MI 48088-4879Alternate: Brian P. Sampson

SE 11/2/2006

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James Carver

AlternateEl Segundo Fire Department314 Main StreetEl Segundo, CA 90245California Fire Chiefs AssociationPrincipal: Mark J. Dossett

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Richard A. Craig

AlternateCompressed Gas Association14501 George Carter Way, Suite 103Chantilly, VA 20151Principal: Jerrold Sameth

M 8/9/2011

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Richard H. Ferguson

AlternateAxiall LLC2 Cranberry LaneCecil, PA 15321Principal: R. Kenneth Lee

M 10/10/1998HCS-AAA

Steve Ferrara

AlternateCarolina Eastern - Vail Inc.4134 State Route 22PO Box 483Salem, NY 12865Agricultural Retailers AssociationPrincipal: Ken Scott Mueller

U 07/29/2013

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Kathleen A. Franklin

AlternateUS Environmental Protection Agency1200 Pennsylvania Avenue, NWMailcode: 5104AWashington, DC 20460Principal: James C. Belke

E 7/23/2008HCS-AAA

Scott M. Heyworth

AlternateFP2Fire, Inc.10810 SW 142 Ave.Miami, FL 33186Principal: Martin T. Gresho

SE 08/09/2012

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Nancy Pearce11/16/2015

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Thomas Kuechler

AlternateOccidental Chemical Corporation520 Monsanto AvenueSauget, IL 62206Isocyanurates Industry Adhoc CommitteePrincipal: Kirk Mitchell

M 10/29/2012HCS-AAA

Kathleen Nehmer

AlternatePond & CompanyPO Box 1143Southwick, MA 01077Principal: Rhett Jason Hesprich

SE 10/29/2012

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Sergio Pineda

AlternateHaines Fire & Risk Consulting Corporation11506 East Renfield AvenueMesa, AZ 85212Principal: Anthony M. Ordile

SE 10/29/2012HCS-AAA

Brian P. Sampson

AlternateSafety Engineering Laboratories, Inc.27803 College Park DriveWarren, MI 48088-4879Principal: Jerry W. Wallace

SE 10/18/2011

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David S. Shatzer

AlternateShatzer & Associates Consulting1114 BroadwayAltoona, PA 16601-5311Principal: Edwin D. Cope

SE 11/2/2006HCS-AAA

Clark D. Shepard

AlternateExxonMobil CorporationResearch & Engineering3225 Gallows Road, Room 3A2111Fairfax, VA 22037American Chemistry CouncilPrincipal: Joyce Miles

M 7/23/2008

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Edward Stratmann

AlternateGeorge Eastman House900 East AvenueRochester, NY 14607Principal: Michael A. Viggiani

U 08/09/2012HCS-AAA

Richard S. Kraus

Nonvoting MemberAPI/Petroleum Safety Consultants210 East Fairfax Street, Apt. 600Falls Church, VA 22046-2909TCC on Flammable and Combustible Liquids

M 3/21/2006

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Kathy A. Landkrohn

Nonvoting MemberUS Department of LaborOccupational Safety & Health Administration200 Constitution Ave., NW, RM N3718Washington, DC 20210Alternate: John E. Bugno

E 7/28/2006HCS-AAA

Patrick A. McLaughlin

Nonvoting MemberMcLaughlin & Associates2070 South Fox Glen WayEagle, ID 83616TC on Industrial, Storage, & Miscellaneous Occupancies

U 3/21/2006

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John E. Bugno

Alt. to Nonvoting MemberUS Department of LaborOccupational Safety & Health Administration200 Constitution Ave. NW, Room N-3609Washington, DC 20210Principal: Kathy A. Landkrohn

E 7/28/2006HCS-AAA

Nancy Pearce

Staff LiaisonNational Fire Protection Association1 Batterymarch ParkQuincy, MA 02169-7471

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Second Draft Meeting Minutes

August 2014

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I. Attendance: (by web and conference call) Members and Alternates

II. Minutes of Meeting

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Issues to Review for Upcoming Cycle

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TO DO 2019 edition

The following items/issues have been noted by the Chair, committee members or staff as needing discussion to

determine if revisions are needed. (Several issues noted have been sent to the appropriate task group for follow up and

are therefore not included in this list). Please review and be prepared to discuss at our pre-FD meeting in December.

1) Define Cutoff storage, detached storage and segregated storage. Right now we define segregated and

detached for oxidizers only and there is no definition of cutoff storage.

a) Do the definitions of detached and segregated storage apply to other materials as well? b) Is there a need to define cutoff storage?

2) Question about whether or not the electrolyte in powered industrial trucks is required to count towards the

MAQ. All I can find in 400 is an exemption in 1.1.1.2 for corrosive materials in stationary batteries utilized for

facility emergency power or uninterrupted power supply OR SIMILAR PURPOSES, in accordance with NFPA 1.

a) Should we clarify that the exemption in 1.1.1.2 also applies to powered industrial trucks?

3) The footnotes in Chapter 5 tables are different for each table and do not necessarily follow NFPA’s Manual

of Style. Also few errors in footnotes. Nancy will work with NFPA editorial staff to propose new footnotes for

committee to review.

a) For consistency can we have one set of footnotes even if not all footnotes are used in the table?

b) Missing Footnote “h” in Table 5.2.1.1.3. Missing Footnotes “k” and “l” in Table 5.2.1.3

4) Advisory service question-Caller pointed out that we have a definition of combustible dust in the document

and that we mention combustible dust in 4.2.1.2.2 High Hazard Level 2 Contents and in Table 6.2.1.6.

a) Should there be an exemption in 1.1.2.2?

b) Should we clarify the difference/relationship between a flammable solids and combustible dust? Is

there a particle size that could be used to distinguish?

5) Review Annex I to compare to latest edition of NFPA 472.

a) Is this annex needed?

b) If so, anyone interested in aligning the annex with NFPA 472?

6) Look at 6.1.1.1. Should never get to chapters 11-21 if not over MAQ. Yet Chapter 15, 15.1.1.1 and 15.1.1.2

have requirements if below the MAQ.

a) Is it the intent to have some requirements for oxidizers in Chapter 15 even if below MAQ?

b) If so, how would you get to Chapter 15 if you are under the MAQ-change needed?

7) Modify flowchart to also indicate that the requirements of chapters 6-9 apply below MAQs and that

requirements of chapters 11-21 apply when above MAQ. (Nancy will bring proposed change to committee)

8) Common Path issue-Marty proposed changes to 5000 and will provide update.

9) Ballot comment from Marty related to Table 5.3.7. NFPA 400- is intended to address solids and liquids (NFPA 400 scope) as well as gases (NFPA 55 scope). This Table needs to be only a partial extract from NFPA 55 to address gases and the solids and liquids header (NFPA 400 scope) needs to be retained. The location of the extract tag in current version of the table is confusing but it is better to retain that for now than to make this edit which breaks the code and would require a TIA to fix if it passes. (Note this related to SR 34 from last ballot-Marty will propose changes) 10) From TIA ballot comment NFPA 1. Table 5.2.1.1.3 under Corrosives Gaseous (both storage and in‐use closed system the following quantities and footnotes appear__810 c,d,g . The “g” footnote specifies that it is “…only allowed where stored or used in gas rooms or approved cabinets, exhausted gas cabinets or exhausted enclosures, as specified in this code”. Neither NFPA 400 nor NFPA 55 specify enclosure/cabinet storage for gaseous corrosives under the MAQ. This appears to be a holdover from adoption from NFPA 5000. The associated NFPA 5000 footnote refers to 150 pound ammonia cylinders which are adequately covered under liquefied corrosive gas within this table. (Lynne Kilpatrick to propose changes)

11) Need to look at shading of sections in tables in Chapter 5.

a) What does the committee want shaded if anything?

b) What should note indicate about shading?

12) Section 6.1.12.1 indicates that “Incompatible materials in storage and storage of materials incompatible with materials in use shall be separated when the stored materials are in containers having a capacity of more than 5 lb. (2.268 kg) or 1⁄2 gal (1.89 L)”.

a) Do we need to clarify that it is the container size due to retail storage here?

b) What about an upper limit on quantity? For example can you store 400 lbs of material (100-4 lb containers)?

13) NFPA 400 requires sprinklers for Protection Level 4 building (corrosives over the MAQ in this case). But there is an exception in 6.2.1.1.4 for those areas or rooms with non-combustible construction or content. See below.

Question about whether or not a building still needed to be sprinklered if all rooms in the building are of noncombustible construction and content. NFPA 101 40.3.2.1 requires automatic extinguishing systems for high hazard occupancies-no exception. May just be a conflict between 101 and 5000 that needs to be fixed? Comment from Pat M. This provision has been in NFPA 5000 and NFPA1 since at least 2003 and in NFPA 400 since 2010. It

appears to have originated from NFPA 55 Compressed Gases. To my knowledge it does not exist in the IFC

or IBC. I have never run into it before, probably because very few occupancies are totally non-combustible

and house nothing but non-combustible contents, i.e., a metal building with noncombustible HPM with no

packaging. Also, the exception is for rooms or areas and not the building which raises additional questions.

14) Footnote in OP tables needs to be fixed.

a) Should say NE = Not Established (insufficient data) for those OP without 704 ratings?

15) How does NFPA 400 address “handling”-Marty to discuss and propose changes.

Process 

StageProcess Step Dates for TC

Dates for TC 

with CC

Public Input Closing Date  6/29/2016 6/29/2016

Final date for TC First Draft Meeting 12/7/2016 9/7/2016Posting of First Draft and TC Ballot  1/25/2017 10/19/2016Final date for Receipt of TC First Draft ballot 2/15/2017 11/9/2016Final date for Receipt of TC First Draft ballot ‐ recirc 2/22/2017 11/16/2016Posting of First Draft for CC Meeting 11/23/2016Final date for CC First Draft Meeting 1/4/2017Posting of First Draft and CC Ballot  1/25/2017Final date for Receipt of CC First Draft ballot 2/15/2017Final date for Receipt of CC First Draft ballot ‐ recirc 2/22/2017Post First Draft Report for Public Comment 3/1/2017 3/1/2017

Public Comment closing date  5/10/2017 5/10/2017

Notice published on Consent Standards (Standards that receive No Comments). Note: Date varies and determined via TC ballot.

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Appeal Closing Date for Consent Standards (15 Days)     (Standards That Received 

No Comments)_ _

Final date for TC Second Draft Meeting 11/8/2017 8/2/2017Posting of Second Draft and TC Ballot  12/20/2017 9/13/2017Final date for Receipt of TC Second Draft Ballot 1/10/2018 10/4/2017Final date for receipt of TC Second Draft ballot ‐ recirc 1/17/2018 10/11/2017Posting of Second Draft for CC Mtg 10/18/2017Final date for CC Second Draft Meeting 11/29/2017Posting of Second Draft for CC Ballot 12/20/2017Final date for Receipt of CC Second Draft ballot 1/10/2018Final date for Receipt of CC Second Draft ballot ‐ recirc 1/17/2018Post Second Draft Report for NITMAM Review 1/24/2018 1/24/2018

Notice of Intent to Make a Motion (NITMAM) Closing Date 2/21/2018 2/21/2018Posting of Certified Amending Motions (CAMs) and Consent Standards 4/4/2018 4/4/2018Appeal Closing Date for Consent Standards (15 Days after posting) 4/19/2018 4/19/2018SC Issuance Date for Consent Standards  (10 Days)  4/29/2018 4/29/2018

Tech Session Association Meeting for Standards with CAMs 6/4‐7/2018 6/4‐7/2018

Appeal Closing Date for Standards with CAMs (20 Days after ATM) 6/27/2018 6/27/2018Council Issuance Date for Standards with CAMs* 8/14/2018 8/14/2018

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Draft)

Tech Session 

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Appeals and 

Issuance

   2018 ANNUAL REVISION CYCLE 

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