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Contents

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Veio-Ceo a Fogfn-Va of oalm-Ne Yok

o Utopacecte: Beween Nostalgia nd ntcpao(Awa)

econ Povoo eeThe Metmoos ochiecte

e Aeeic o MoeCle Heoc Acal Ac?-

checte ad oode-a appoe eetaDOet-e ee o DpparcImags of

Modiy ioo o te be Ne do?

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eO odcao Maon o ReaboncieReon-e i o omoowVi ee e Achietue

ompte Moen nd hieuness nd eave-Wa

op-ete a Dse o Onpoenceen d

Eopu a e A o (onsaapancyig

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at-Neat Uies and Gobito-De ad

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Wome Queo o Ste-nambe olci

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Foreword

K M H

Sinlr Oj cc shold not eae he expectat a eiher aceue or ilosoy w be reated n

ths daue anhg ke a adtona way (whc, wee tte case wold see not so muc old-asoned as eactoa

cog o o of te ew cua es acn todata we coud sll e t ca posve). Indeed t s ette

to state te revese: wat st srkes one tarnay aout

ts conveaon s at arctece and osopy ae eated

w any sncton at y pesse nes n resentea e te de-eenaon o dsces ad

te tendeos easue o bes betwee specc cuaeals and acces ose to ooenze dtcton

deence and oteness o obae neualed se

nes Muc o at cas to be poesse ot apo aesece ts stuaon to acceeate eects and

ade ay eag ndat o sgay o ougto a anozed spreaout deu Te ate seeso ave een csen Besd any dscplay autooy o e

pee at t ce s leelg endenc s dted to

b csed anay e e ssve oveent o te wdste se e ese aong wt eeng ese nto

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h be foud rtecte nd losoy"We're ot eadg o dsste were rdy he s o

to dse; Nouve deres oe ot Ye neihe e noBudd eve lmes the oss o a ea or deazd ps noo they ce ot even fo moet te icay compaentreemon o te te. Te secod srpise of e nObje of Ahece wat is ofered, as oaad actce epled n tis ptica aoue s re-new of opn toght revived ttemt evsionin

osible e ot of o dsasous rese, wy o tink-i at as ee under ow for moe ta o decaes.Ast e egemoy o he topin, ee tngof o onteoy echoctc posvsm and eerieia

os (ats e s e nd yo can feel i hes obec ms be ctory inexase, ad shaed must destoy cte (o wht hs ecoe o d es-bte te leovers. Ad so we actee and osoyae eated toete as as of a peiod pobe scpls

and prctices w specc hsoes rasons and rasor-matons subected to the deoy ees of istory now ourow erodhey ot rem ueed or chged is iloe. f e si obect s to be oth uto ddestuve re drected and sitey represetatve of theesen t e cul oject dee ts ode w be neiher aceue nor phosoy eestandig s dtoypaced b a poducve enfod o oe to e oher

even more ha object, a cosona operto whiceach discours ierets e ote but eveees prc new, redcle sinl n: pec t we ca eoyI feel tog, theor is echaeble says BurIt cat be ched for trh or fo e. Ecge s imossbe Its bece of ts tt eo eve exists Teoy ishe dagr of te sgua ojec of rcitectre Ts at estso come s o srrse, for wo o suc le ao as


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i edenced ere is o be foun oda aost wee hera e.

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cse e sy ts maea eag betwee specccua pcces ad specc scal ces, eeca cscts as pes a ucay aac o cos ove exad acoss cipnes however mh auho insu-on' and otodoxes t to cone te Teo s aos CCechgeabe) i is nose by raonby

br ad adg by

consos inence or woleappropriaon Toug e ccdets o scrse a body oeoy ca as be dse ped into he eice o aqute eret oe evted wh upeed conen, ndencoed for ected vocaon

No eas ag suc aacions i ha etween cecre phosophyroed we esa l npae sese o clde ubis siooy and ce sas o posscts ug; o t s a -sio (wha we now cl, s tece eoy) a scee md-196s as s eerged aecta dscrse a-ec a roe ccle tung s away om an eaerncos epict oundatona wa o g d

wad ew eses f sgco By e 9805 eceeoy a coveed aniie e baces o eoyd deveoed coces w t eges consucosof subjevy ad eepwe apropey ecs, adoe ees a were aeady of e genera ssrcrs eperoe b woe spat es ws ow fe

roed. Ts entaied ha e ess on e pduioo cecu becs whch aed o ecre noaiveanads or eg andayou es nd otvs fo peea) sod gve way to emphas o e proucono hectue as a sec wede The ook on tesk o eeag e uede eoogipesus tarcteca prcdres ad ecques aeaey enabe ore to emve om he poss o g,whch s o sy


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hat teoy understoo rchecte as one of cture's pary

representaonal ses.Te conce wit the speic inenl worgs of arc

ecewc tend o e syconic syec pjectivewas not abanoe so c as foed no aros

scoses of cotex ad exeroi recabraed ccorg to

what was sayabe o kbe n e idioect o Marxs de

constctio psycoys a oer poted syses. Btese sstems were not meey oe ogete wt arcitecte

Rahe soetig of a s of level as perspecve,too place, w achtecues specic fos opeatos,

an pracces cou now ore cea be see as podcg

oncep wose tae oron o ee lay ose ctecte "prope: a moe gene socioctrl e is new

acy of teory emanded not new eas o bngs u

the inveno o ltogeer new ecqs for etg isses

of epresenton, odo sbecvy, srcue ad orame maeraty, mei ad moe Wa ed o be cled p

osop e beg o ik is probles rogh arcecerae han te ote way arod Ad nevaby ataesome of he most poan ters of or time (digod Bahes he Foc Jacqes Derd, an edic

Jameso) to ponder aeca probes

Tere has arely e a susane convesaon bewee ailosope n an acte o te scope ad ocs a we

ae ee e agai, a certan ooaly of hog ongwt the desre to epre te oaly seems deded by our

crent sion o a te appaey wd ltiplcy o our

prsent sysem of oecs ee is also te constn maetc

po e single go ake a a coroatecontroed retoalizaion of te ispesed os ad nos of so

e io a sigle spacee of conspton a comncao O ieent dayo-day actes are no longer ed odeterate needs o to secc exchages betee peope a

oecs, bt aer to a toal verse of sis nd siaca

oag economc ctl-iomaon ds Een teconscous ieooges of rebllo and egave crque see o


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e no so uh cooted by e ssem as a staeg pat of tesyem's ienal orkings. A cea oents, in eran sgula objecs ahitecte tsef poduces the perepon of hs

contedly ovedetemied stuaon; acete ecoes akid o pectae of te vao at we used to ca e soa

The wn ness o te Wo rade Cete o examplea l-

g a w a repca o itefs aleay, he 1960s whee owes ee bit an antciaty sgn o e ome-ze genetcal newoked oing sociey tha w emerg-ing In the ne dede e Cene Pomdo even oe eepy

onced sgnals the aastrophc sig o o mass cueby e masses teseves: a ew eed o ulta cosuerwho s aso along wh he antgs d e ash, both he

a ae and the pdt o the ne mseum Ad hen heachiectue o o own me (e Gggenhe Mus Bbaopeas oe o te ossibe lones o chimeas spun ot

of a sowae pacage) seems o eome aogehe tua, for auence that s evoe evewheenot uch an

aheca eadymade ( te snse of Dum as an a-chtete aead made a ansaen co that is s owemae

hei convesao Badld and Nove tun oeand over agn poe ay o ndestandg ths siuaond ts agens ang it thogh the anguages of achte-ue hosophy an o togee (n it is fasciag oegster te sppages o pesecve ween he htec dhe phlosophe o oe o he mnd feels pefomngok on e obe one a and he he oe b aso toeoe awae o he preeene ta bo have for a escr

on of te otai over he seae absa pats Bt epovocaons, resposes ad oes ae no eant o cte ways hih checre smpy reliaes e aseand

spesuce appaus o hh i s a rmay og heoe wods fo sh eooga eprodon de "sceen

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l Achectua h isnt a trt or a realty i e sese taacee g ehaus tsel i eeeces s ales,

s desato its ode s pocees Doesn achitectue

tsced a o ta eectively ehasn itself i omehese i ue y o someth hat wold eable to oeyod its e naly .. oe chee exs eyod hs

lt o e e?

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l 've eve bee ieeted chee.I have o specceeigs ot t oe way or he ohe. I teesed spaceyes an ang i socaed "cosuced oects atenales me o eperec he nsabiy of spa 'm most i-

tereted n bldngs lke Beaborg the Wold Tae Center,Bosphee 2snga oec bt obje at e' exalyace wones as I cocerne ts ot te ar

cte sense of tese bidgs at aptvates e bt ewold tey tansae If exae he th of the tw towesof he orl Tade enter for exaple I see at ta locaio citece expresses sgnes, asates a d o costcted for, he cotex of a sociey areay experienc

ing hyerealsm. Tose wo towes esemble two eroatedads Today wed pobably say eyre clones o each oter

tat tey've aeay been loed Dd ey ancipate o pesent Does hat ea a actecte is no part o realy bt

p of e con of a socey a ticipatoy illuio O dosachece smpy traslate what s aleady there Thats why Iaske s tee uch a tng as achecra u?" i the sestat there wou e a saesle desiaon fo achee

ad or space

Beoe answerig yo qustion I woul jst le to com-men hat ts daoue povids a uniqe opportuty to ds-

cu achtee i ote a he cusoay tes Yo owta I conside yo to be te oe ieecal who s acally oing s job Yo rpo to he ay disubng qes-tios e real quos wh quesions and answes tat o


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o wans t ea I don't kw be ab t provoke anysponses a a aar wi adsnt ray eest y ut t vnig ' gg Re-

c ha ok at some yo boks a I was lea o t you eve spe aout citct ecp n itr

view hat took la lve yes ag betwen us. Its i at trvew that I scovee nuber yu ida about rcitc-

tu d om you tig o New Yor or Beuboug tookot some of yu hogs aout r citcual mo-

sos an some of yo more adica pts view wch

c spply us th a me of quts w ttpt o tl abo achicture as a litand

at' what eally eets mewe s y lways sitiog ousve o h nge f knwg gace Tha'st e vere actecure Ad hat advetu s sit

at n a r wrd, a wod tha p a cnss o ad

smwhr hat a coesus s exs in er o secito oc Now, the ld o achitectue i by he vyna of g, volvs ao wo seducio e -

cite s i a uniu stion Hes not a ais i he tdi-

oa se Hs ot omeo who eitats o of blaae. H doet wok o a cvas I oe comare cec

h diecto, cse w hve ruy h am lita-os W'e sito wh we o oduce bjecwh ven io of te wih a g buget fo spcgrup vs d w wor as a ea We'e a sa-

n wre w c be censed rcy recy reasos saety r oney evn bce eberae rsp s

a e w thre are ofssion cenr We c ve ca

n cc wo dgs buig Face a "Fech big cesor Its exacly te sa g. We ar sitatd nviron t i oun, ime Whi h eviomn,

we we d n esrite sac an te mens to ovcme toe aos?

my ca ve loke for it th clati of viog, esecialy foio o a certan way of g

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o eazig a e word is posophicy appopae. Te

we ay wa o iouce e es ((peepf' a "ae

eeece o Delee bu as not te e poem e

pole es o a o atae a poje aou a eiay ocep o dea, using a vey specc saegy a n

sergizo somemes eenjuxapose-peepios a w

eac w one oe ad dee a pace we ae u

w We ae s deag wi veio, e now is

Ts ua lae f we ueed n gg out wt's gong

on oud e e los o a sece d mgt, ssg tas

e se, en oney ceai ngs gs we cano coo,

tings a e aa vouy conoed We eed o d

a omose beween wa we conro a wa we povoke

A e ungs Ive ie to uil i now ae ased o eatculaton o ese ee igs ey so ee o a onepa I ow eess yo e coce o uson.

s VJ eay

o aga, u I ty o eae a space ta isn egle

a space ta woks as e men enson of sig s sed

tve space, s ua space o so s ased o vey ecise

saee steges ta e oe vesoa I eqe use

wa nd oud me clug you ow wok d a o aew oes so ae se o nem So we say a I play

wi deh o ed s eause I yig o oego a seies

o es a co ead weea nd o eaaav

ut om a o o te ec gs o aco hs isot eel veio Look at e Japee gde hee

s always a vng ont te ont a wch we do w

whee he gden sos o cones I g o povokea so o esponse

I we ook a e henomeno o pesecive-I g

o e proec o supeosig a gd on e oon wc

I ad peed o e ens-I w atepg o seosde Aes lgc ote wo, I was g o oge e eees suc a way a e coud e ead in see

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the ewer wold become consious of e space a pens

esce hose limit Wha I sy ht e blg snt be-twee the hoizon an he osee but s part o hat horizon?

ssug his w ppens f oses its mtealty?eteto is something hat wold ieest you; he

endless skape" is one exale [Noves oec or a Toursa o eness skyscae was desige or Dfense jstoutsde cetrl Pais Alough is desg won inteaonacoeti the bldi was neve cstce] Agi, tisst setg I inveted Delee rut ad g.spke aot rm a dee nt o ew s versi,wc etes o ercetio o eea o te ateial

to e ate, a et t achtete shoud oiate or ise. Using these kins o concepts we can ceate moreh what we see his oe what we see s mes

i ad thrgh sil txt Wih espet t what ahte-

tre borowed o cea, he onept of sequence is verypott s aul V io emins us I ote wors coetssuch s spcemen seed, meoy seen tems of a -

posed aeto, or a kow ajecoy eble s ompose chiect sace bsed t only o what we see b on wat we

ae memoed as a scceio of seences at e eceivedo ow e aohe Fro his int on ee re cotrastsewee wat s created what ws iy ese oereto spce

he Versles ee, you enter thoh a stone ordor,wc is absolutely ea, pi, devo o ecoaton awch opes suenly ino somethin asoltely stu ntes o i eoraon, its reiosty he perd w this

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eyes So we ca pa h aytg h eye ca egat hough

sigt, nd we ca ool e eye Classical ulr as on mad

use o ts nd o sleght o h I bdig i h Cati

Fodatio whee I ntntioaly bln te age d v age t sges a wh a gv pae o ong

now f oog t e vit mag o e ea imag I Iook t e fcde, sc ts gger th e budg, I t tl

I'm looig a e eecto o te s or he sk trog egs ... I ook a a tee og te hre gs pns, cv te m og at t tee ough te gs nont o it, behd i or e lctio o te tre Ad wh Ila wo tees ral eve accidety to te glass plaeI cant tel f t's a scod te o f ts a ra tree Thse aek hgs we c put o ou bag o tk o atectu ag o trcks an wh we nev suposed to alabout but whh om e to tie mt be td bot Tse

e eas y wch achitectre ceaes a itual sace o amea sce; s a way o cg te sess Bt ts alyway of preseving a stabed area

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o vetigo ough w sos o thigs ca occr: aects,

coceps prsects, weve b ways someg solbe

soeing nesove In tis sese es, ea ojecs

or at east yurs oes at ae even ore ndoescatede at o a chere tout a efeent is ees teiquaty o beig "ideed' and tately ndetiae

obecs. Ths s one aea whee we ca comend no ee

ly y deberate aalogwrtg, cion rcitecure and a

ner f oter swe, oosy, weher ths invoves

t is societ, even o a b coe I ageeha we choose he eve we c ony coose the concep,

t we rea he ght o mae is coice Te coice o co

cep is soehing tha sol conic wth the coext with

he sigaios (posiive, nctional ec) a dg c as

se or a heoy, ayhg else

Deeuze ee he cncet as e atasc H-

ever wh resect o the evet it is ven t is seen, s isdecipered overdetemed by e edia o oe voces by

omaion, he concept is that whch creaes the noneve

t creates even o the extet hat it xaposes he socalled

Ce event wt heorec r cton oevent of sesrt c se how s ca hape wit ut I ave amc hae e w arcitectre I yo wok I eel i te eect poced y ts lson yo soe o eare; ot in

e sese o a sion or a ome l'oe-we ltately yes

of cose ut ot a usion he sense o a siation-of

soeg ta takes pace beod te reeon o higs o

bed e sceen Tay we ae sureby seens fac

ts ae o succee i ceg a sace o pace at oes'

serve as a sceen d c exet he prestige of seywhot te icttosip

d e o me a dsiction ee regrdg or eiology Illusio is not he sae as the vrtal, whic y op

on is olc wth hereit hat is e vsibiiy o a

osed srey, te sace o e scee ent sce,

ad so o Ison serv a sig o hi es. t sees toe hat evetig you do, and do we is anoher achtectre


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seen through a screen. Preciely be/to ceate somethng ikean invee univere yo mt competely desoy tat sene

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es tha see o ipe si ta overigonwimpe tg

d here d ike to now as prt of s qestion f contewhat appens to soial and poc data, o eveig thatcontran hgs when achere is epted to beome heresio o even he soioogal o potcal aforer, ofa ci reat, wh is an ion he egave e ote te I oe sese even f chectre w o spon ta ptca proga o ocia eeds, it wi neve succee

bease it s cooned otately y someing a i alo ala ole Ad tis ba hole simply means tat he "asses)ae ti there nd hey ae not at a recipents, o concios orreected or anhg; t etemey peerse opeato wih

repect to evehg hat i csed S eve f achtecew what t w ad ts to igi what t w t esit wbe electe. You, however ive fo i eectio anddestailzatio and you're ight Ad a we scusse its gongto happen aay Ts is tre of poitcs it's tue o ohercategories a we Somehng is preent hat oetg nog tee nothg on te othe side Bcae wee we seepentde a ppon tatic ad o ees a-

wa eecion t ts eecon of he opeat for exapethat i a work of achecte o at tansoms he way we useit bt alo aely, sorms he meag hat was oigi-nay give o he wor Ad wheher t eside the workof t or i oething ese at y given moment te ingul

obje s rendered engac eigbe even to the e whoceted it wic ossses ad deig us

Fotatey, s is alo the eon why we can coe tove a iers ha is as detered, s ncton ashis Our wold wod be nvale wout this owe of naeeeton and hs has ohg to do h socioo On he con-tay ocoogy ecors d tas p oc eavo beoe ao e to tats m eavg e chiecaobe omewh eve tou y awae hat when we


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eate soeg we have to a i soe sense by aying toosevs ta een ee is o ey pile o tuth i-cipe o tose o wom te obje is ntened ere be a

aa deeo, here w be euton And we have to ake sretat te tgs hat ae hey e dentical o emselvs opeople wo hey ae ieng wh hei own chaae,ei own ges e eected esaze, seced. yopinon sedcto alwa tes ac is sens its ostgene fo Howeve, m not sue a te vituied woof ew tecoogi oaon a e meda disticdecpherabl reatos of sedcton ta pace as t

did eore s osible that he sece yo soke abot wod coletely ailate y aohe pe o ivese It's sossle tat i iv o e r, wich we aotoday cee wodnt s a a tis sbolc ow ays wit weig e gavy o gs nd te absence

tei o tasarence, wol be aohed No, I' no ogerse is cod occ te v vese We are cometelysceene e pobem of arciece s expee deenySo aye here's a d o comeey secia achitectetat is coned wh tis vee. Ts wod e a chitec-e o aay, o vtuay t ca e oga as we but iwoldt bepat o te sme concept

Cao a Fgul

J One o e g olems w acitece is at t usot exs abe qucly ogotten; hat is, ve spaces ae oesged to b expeeced conousy e actecs po-e s tat he is aways e pocess of anayzg e pacs

he discoves, oserving the which isnt a noral ostioha soy le aot ec ci i wodte he as molss hat yo ca go hogh em w-ot tg aout te arctecte Yo ont aothe

aeshetic sie wit is soy) and so on Yo can ove wthem as if yo wee a eert, a i yo were i a bc ofoter tgs, wiout ting abot tis woe busess o at,aeshetcs the histoy o art the sory o achitecte eri


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ciies enae s o rer to a d o a sene o saeNatally n se of eveing, tis aitece is aso sc-tured by vos eaies, b i terms o e atl esee

tose ces as e evet, e obje avod te petese o sel-cosos citecte.

J Te same is te i at pning I ar te stogestwoks e hose at aado ts whoe bsiess o at ad athstoy n aeshecs. I wrg t's te sae tg. Wat oeaestezed imension t s etese o eagr uh I le most wen s ost nvisibe I nk thago actecte do s as we; s ot so u a gevgocess as a poess of iserae o oo isapea-e as c as aearae

Vale Fn asm

We need to eoe tatwere soude y a reat deal oaideta atecte Ad eire sis o oe or moderns aitudesi te hstoal sensehave been fodedon ths palar ety Tere are outess mers o seswose aeseic lacks any sense o ntenion We d ths samepeoeon otse o archtetre is a ve of tol-soday we we oo a a race , we don pay tnau its beuy eteeeury tectre s wat sand teequaes o he e t's no ake by ny d ofaeseic itenoly The same apies o ndstial onesa te end o he wene centy wch ae, o intentsa puposes adica tera forms ot onessos,abrpt, i whh we ca deiely loate a etai ar.

B Iwant to get bac to yor des abot citee, seyoue eitely presse oo aou For exapleyou ite ta "i artectre te stao st be ooed atbacars, we need o deti a re: Yo lso wote I a-ctecte te accomanyg dea s a sategc niu. dew o is te epicenter o te e of te word intel-euswe st wor to sve tat endofthewod uopia Iany se, youe a o hat eo


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B We I refe to New Yor s e epcenter of e ed o eworl, I referng to an apocse A te same te s away of ookg at as a reaed opia Ts s the paox oreay We ca dre abo apocapse bt s a perspevesoeg uezabe, wose power ies i the fac at t sezed ew York provd e ind of spefacon charac-ered a wo a is aready accompse, a asouey

apocypic wor b oe ha is epee is verctyad

n ths sese imaey i egees a fom of ecepo becase i is ebode ecse is aleay here and we nologer esoy . s esructible Te o is pae ot, its

olve s own seess s een reaed eve beyon tsow ls Teres eve a o beraon a desrucig ospace at o onge seves s a li o vetcaty or as oer

places, oronaly t does aiecue ste we spacehas becoe nney ndeermae n evey denso?Here, n Face, weve got soeg feren We ave a

ostous obec soehng sperable, soeng we areabe o ep eaorg Theres oig be an NewYok Oe gs wi appe a e' make he taso o

a dere uvese oe as uc oe u t w

ore we neve o be a c, a arecrewch a he sae e apocypic Person I le scopeey abigos gue o he c wc s slteosy caasphc ad sbe bese t h assue an almoseatc force

JN And wen yo wrte As eectals we ms work o saveat edofeworld utopa?

J Do we ell eed to save ieas A eas we shod save thepo of a fom f e iea as fom Its ue a whe

ace wi someing ats oeee a eru wee e-ce o ecsasy a pre cotempaio Is oa awe eiscover the oept e e, n te menal space o


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crves." That's a vy potant setnc fo m An nalyPovoaion wol be mch too seios o o seto"Yo d a c o ac b the wy

A So, Provocation, ScJB Fonaty I havn' ee al o boks ( thgs ce" hats th a o sat i cas e a no npoints o d poi o n a crve o A ig, s s he ow c

ovoo, duon oge setio osntst so t osn ma ch Seuton sho v,coa of tt nagons at cont;

so boh av sese ad mpt i H oo yod ot a plmnto s ovosy coactoyScto ca b pod n sapaa whth ococd igs o ad abvc a b od

zd It hs to secet h od o sec, whch s tho o seon obvosly ess oy tho povaon;its aost excy e opposte Povoato a a om sohg vsble hogh conao og cdanc; to ak sothg viib tht so pehps uadits st po to ahv ts aw o s hele s ely n he sece ovosy ecos n

snly di a o k o o w vng gvn to s oy poscosly so at a o gap ovoid no otngness oig o o , ad ot

gss s whe y an ac w ng oi ma et-not oy wod h assu aoib anngs he bu y wod ma ty

liibl o I tn tha v bldg v stt t s omtg

a a v d whav ts v is tegble hs c lso cc stons o vl bhavo; s soethg yo on't aze, song you cant po

ga Yo av mo ece o ba ow ag spata fro t sp o d; a o

pogas a ovosly absolutely conado S a botto,


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the seet exiss whereve peope ie t 's aso possbe n u-

astic amvalent reations, for at that mome soetg -omes utegile oe agan le some peious aeia

We a oe by alg ao te aesteti o isap-peaance I like o qote you one again ut ths tme ot w

respect o archecte n I wa to provoe yo a le as weYo wite eg a ihist s beg obsessed y he oe o

dpeaae ather ta he ode of proctio te Im a

s o aso e (I a o everyhg tat is oppose octre." is bgs s ack i a way to cetn contepoay

ies . . I ca say te sae hg about aetre: m foreveyhg tat s oposed o acietre wey years ago I

bean a bo that wy The e o ahitetre s o artec-

ral" The key is to agee on wha arhete is ad hee

ts gog Te key is to agee o wa re s a where 's

og

Th Mp f A

JN hiecture is pey easy Let me eplain Oe o he gs

I consder eseti is e idea ta ee been a omplete

age archtetre urng tis cenry he sense hat a-ee ad as its ita goa te ostro o te aia

wo wc e ve is apene ae spytee

was an epeent oy of owedge somehg ear, tee

wee recipes. Vvis prced a boo o repes; e tells you

cy ow o onsct a bulg te er of ols, he

popoons, a so o Acaemism onsisted rog

te use o hese ingedents slghly hee were sos fo

uildi cites as we archite mae use of ierent polo-ges deren reipes o rban ar et etea Then, suey,

there as a si he eogrphics Yoe ite amlia wt

this Eveone moved to he cies te es loded, we trie

to maitan a eta nmber o rles, ic were genealy

based on laing Tese too eloed oe e te other Weave epeience a kd o ba big bang and d ta we ae

ae to se he sg e Eveg ae wih os


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exsg ecipe n ote wod aciteture h capita ':has ome bsoty ridlous As soon yo itegrte

strutua od to ts ys, t eom asu

S i is sese I aganst eveg t is pa o thesae odeAee Tis mans at om ts point o u e u o anoe satgy, we quid to sligy oe eln-to e tet tt we an breqired

to costntly dagnos e stuo eid o face e t arcttue is o onge t nto o o t tt sts simpy wi espect to ooca aye pple to h ces trogot the plaet. Arttue no onev gol t ansomo moton, o tisaccmd teal Fo so its olerab; ey eel le

tey've e ed rom h omnt e it his iosehowee it a i we aaist o o antral we thow ot e by wih the bwtr You ct genete ay

postive eect wn s ewo Some o eve teWr faced it te generc ci tat e way it s and snoig to doe bo t

I suspec tat yo're pety mc agent wth s ypeo approah h by e wy hapen to nestand Ivt aaid t rdu o optimsm th t

u ovemts e ca aceve a ecs wheeby testuaion bcom slghtly o positive every time we teve We y to oa kn o joymet o pe ycldg ng t ween't consdeed preously whic aeetly accida, and iventng stties of povemete pots o ato e a evt ompeey random

elment ad decl ta wee dag wih a geograpy: "Its

be og o ve t to yo . . Ths i asheticsof revelato wy of ta ece o od d gIm appopiag tis m givin bk o you o yorappeion n a eet y' s centuy ier dsie ad wit inoensable, mephysa enions Apoi ant o aytg abot at It in he sae stuon

as phiosophy o scence it's no an adlt We need to eveopother strages.


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Wih abacton we had th impresson at a lbrato atakn place an og o modern. That bok apat n a dof sdd imposon a velg o the aestec's sse o he

sulm Ad i h ed whn tis aehetic of te scet disap-peard we ad cu

Clu

J Cu s whe. y case, a ts pont e its ahomoogu of idusty ad echoogy s a menta tecnqe

a meal echnology tat was emblishd og achical

srvces, muss et cra I case o potograpy I wasereste in tis istory at one pot. . We Baes spo

aout potogapy e og p te quon o e "puc

tm: Trog ths pncu, e photograph ecoms a evt

o ead ou mnta l, wh is someting dnt asigula eaon absolut sgai Ts pctm whi

accoing to Ba is a oplace nog he nohgess at a o th phooap dsappe ad in s plac we con-

suctd a usu o potogapy s eat wic Bar

sad w te eat of potogaph th phoogaph itl t

bolc powe o te potogaph disapped, it ased tesae o a monuent or a mus ad is ti a cocrete

ah matiaed Ths was a cultal opration, ad at op-erao yes I a agais it, empatiy wth no concios

wtot co romsWe are stck an uite meastac eelopmet o

ce wch has haviy ivet chu Bt o wha we judge t? Toa t's vey dcut to ienti, a

given bng, wat elogs to ts sct, ts siguai hat

at eay dappad I think hat a a o it is estrucle bu is nceasigy consmd by culu. s y voayconscos esistance posse Yes thin hat each of us can

sst B i would dcult fo such sistace o bcome

politc I dot g ipeio the cod b ay organedpolc resistance as suc It wold ways b a xcepton an

waever yo do w always xcepoal i tat senA wok of t is a sgulty ad tes sgue c


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eae oles itersties vois et cetera, e etat -

of e Bu dot ee e cecg cbiig it a

nd atwe tat o vs e ote No e re ei

vely mese i e orde o cltue, tha i utl e apaypse arives We an thnk, ombine ts whi te eonept ti hat eve otical eony te om t hasasse, whc s so copletely skewed, d wi ot at

a pe f en ay ut oe e pecata p enmy at ates a seatve v s a

aestet ow Walter Benjain already anayzed s e

ld of os ha ense, we e wessg an aestecain of eha n sce. But aesetio is n pat

of te ea; on he cntay, sgnes hat higs ae becmig

vaes ase vae e an no longer opare an interplay

of fs. s neigbe ad c't e assge ay tateeig bease t's a ge, a le somethig deret

geeaze astetiatin os aust ad becevale B alu aesthetis te e etera, are nitely negtable ad eveone a et hee we ae whi theda o order equivaee, he coplete leveg of

sa I beee we ae pa f at de o wh n

g a epe I s st fee that ste su n

nton eve hough they assue what ae fequenty mn

strs sfor exaple tose onsters" you spoke abou

hat teests e s atectre onste, hse obets hat

ave bee aapltd ito he i fm seplace ls I a wayI apeate hs mstus ate. Te st was Bebrg.We ou vde a utua descrpto Beauboug on-

sder Beaborg as the sesis of his ota lturatio"

n s case be copeey opposd t it Nohss heBebg ojc s a sigua eve n istoy, a onst.Ad t is a nste becase t dmonsats notng ts a mn-ste ad n at sense a nd o siglait

Is bvius at sc obets wee aitecr or ot,

ape thei prged eistene te re yu ave gve

e

. tamoposis can me a snga persnntuto o e est f an oell ee that one ntended


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Stl, he obect (archeca o o) n qesion w pouce a

gaping hole n hs cututy

A Hoic Achcua1 Ac?J We ig ask ourseves why thee s o equivaent o Du-champ i the wod of acece There s no evae eca tere is o toahiee Thee is no actec wocod ke an ede scos gese t ws accept-ed ects ve te o oo ese tsta was hestang ont o postmodety e o say at is oway Venu ted to o t He too e sples bng t exised basic bdg om te sbubs of Phaelphiavente lcaon wasnt ipotant, wa e least sgnct loca-to possblmde of brck wth standa widows nd soo an he sd: "is s the achecue we must ake todyd hs gesture iped an ene heoy a heoy at was op-

posd to the eroc acte act oug n tes of de-so t was a wea ppiao of he dadast evoluton (onte Rhte se t ws one o to; Ducamp is seve) But te atempts cinate in noable fues sice we as tects ae nae to ata te se stce o e oec I

ve o d w wo enae s to dei Dps o-t f t wee a seogapc spae It eman ceareadng condtons ad a ce dsace wch ont sto chtecte At most we co y at act of copetevlgzaon g occ spte o e clients intenos Theoy pobe s that if you do hat and yo epeat it it becoesinsignicant. o rthe ealy, no rther reading of e act spossibe youve become part of te toa disappeaanc of he

areral ct

JB champs act also ecomes sgicant was to sgnia, wants sgncace an ecomes nsgcant seo t ough epeon, we as og ocsyrods Te event t s e sgua an hat's hee o Is epheer e ee's a woe stg o e as we se o that moen on te pah wa ceae


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vae eve a some pot a sp vae wout con

sideig he mare, whch soo taes contol of . 's e op-

posite i one sense. Dcamps gestre was o educe gs

o insigcace I a way hes no esponsibe fo what apene aewar. So we other ass tae ossio of this

"nogess o, tog his ohgne ake posseon of

bnal waste he worl e rea wo ad hey rsgehe baa ealy o te world ino aeshec objec, is ecoice ad s wohless i ta sese, bu s so aoyng

becase I wol aher associae an aa wh woessnes

w noges:' Ts ogness s act sog. Is

wa asnt been aesetcized. Its wat, one way o aohent be redce to any for o aesheon Rae is his

higly focsed saeg of otgess an wotlesne ha

m opposed to The deece eween Whol d he oers

wo i the ame hngatog i isn't the sae tgis

based on he act a e taes a iage ad edces o oth-ing He he tecc medi o evea he nsignce

e ack of obje the usion of he age itel. Ad he

oher ass make use of he ecnqe to ecreae a aesheic

ohe tecnologi mea og sciece sel, oughscienic images ey epoce the aeshei Tey o ectly

te oposie of wat Wrho was abe o do ey eatetcize

te tecqe wie Waol og echie evealed tech-

nqe itslf as a aical usion

Hee e tem wolessness is biae abiousI n efer o the best o he wost Pesona I aig geat

impoce o woressness e sense o nothgness i

he snse ha we aceve s r of dsppeace weve

aciee a, wees al te straeg sed to mage os ohe s were showwere eres usy og o see in

ay evetes pecisey o cove that wolessness io

sptacle o aesheic, o mae ve io a fom o co-

plee unconscosn e collecve sdroe of aheci

o kown as cure We t sy is he ae bu he excepios can only be momens Fo e, Dcamp is one of em;

Who s aoe Bu hee e oe sngutes Facis


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Bacon, peas, aybe otrs Bt is not a ustion o nas

of artists can nv anyting t a onti evnt atacts s i ts old satat t vas ad asetics

Fo hat oe on the is no oe histoy o r W sehat arad tis s on aspc of its olessssth its

tograde sto, exhausts tself i is o histo g to r-

susitate a hos fos t a pols dos in oh aas ts

a for of ersson an ntemnal pase of ptton

g hch e ca alas brg back ay old or o at, orstyle o teiue as a ason o aesetica pocess of nd-

lss rg

IN Cold't e sa tat he tntieth centy as se a sfei

o at Becaus duig th cety, ay st o aaged o

e a foa eld has bco a gat as? l aks s a

i o ash on a a it taes s t abil to pienc so-

tn it spec o th as o conteiz it dsance it ath concep appears Th ast ho as scceed ding is eld hs eco idenabl, gs notice as a kt

value, t tera Ths as n a cntr o gganc exoraon:

xpoaon o t ra oration o snsaions o verthn

aon a sach or sensao Soe scceded; others dd

A of tis as ten x up th eag ad th conceptaat en Laece Wienr hangs a snnc n spac itout

oung t, atv appns appns s pa o h rato

been h snnce and t space I's not a big del bt its

a ld i ad o isf We'v ve toug tis ggatic epo

aon Evo ca d ti val syste, has eperncd

evnts facs, odes, and nteracions tat sots rsultd

ae pova, or pop at or concpta at t cetea Bt alltat xporaton kp etg tned t vryoe is

loog o hateve t ca gab Does this a tat lthisepoatio is pat o tha "otssness

Wll th a b a history o at thats not progssivebt hic dpns h analytic sie o a ad abstactionis still a eduction o the vse o, o the object, ito ts


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coelees It's a way of retig o a pra goetr. Isexacy te sme tg as he search or ayc h i thesoc scis ts t d of roc W goe rom

h vdec o apae to t undaen aal natureof gs Ts is th istory o absaon an tis sch eadscty o aoter menson wch s o loge hat of ap-

eaace or a saeg of apeaces b o a ned cterd on

indeth atc owdge o objet an e worl, wich,in a sse, puts a ed to se atios ts e xrmaoo h sesb, but i sconstts a sec, I agre

Oce wee aved at his pot howee its oer . Weave artcial recosucon o edence, o prcio b

the cruci ac t deteig factor is abstracton Aeardwere no longr eally a wor of ors; wr in a mcro-wor At ee anicipat scitic scovey it wnt ern deeer o e a word to geoe I ot en

hat sesby perceon disappeared s always possible for anyoe ay obec o hae a sglar latio ut ot

an aec on to hae a primt reaton, song to dowh is pnctum anyone ca exerence tt . . Socaedaeshec ediaion s over wit The atis s soeo wo

exots the om o sglariy at apopiat

it an s it iteractiely ot ough te arket stcureand though a umbe of ote higs as wl But uistic

relation o any nvdual wth any obje eve te most wothle s sgla it retns i owr a t ca be rdisoveed.I do' fee hat hs bee lost hats not he pob wit ssbe he fat. y tis I mea hat h ata atio wthgs wit appece cn scoveed but if t is today

hat discovey w be conct th ashtic wih at. n ee snse, you ca rdiscoe duistic relation soety oe doms, tei But ths doest ke pace toughpoic or ecooics hose tgs are behd us they ha

hir istoy we e ao world whe thos t-ig stcts ave eir moooized he te mt at that oint shod be dtoyed or ave arady dsoyed


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nverse ha surouds wi age obarig s roevery sde ye, I reset ta.

N. ave te impesio hat e ense of soethi' ei"wotles wortess, wotes acitecture o t! t ijs a overwhei b, paadoxcay, peap for he oppo-

te eaon. Tat o ay, wh chaactezs hs worhes acitecte oay eeqarers of he e, he pictreue

Or is e eio o a pae moe of meaig d enby Oe of e cet amas rchere s modeg co-g en we do ow what to o; e conte s opee

Not oy the geographic ra con te hua cotet

a we, the cott of e coio te cil cot,evehin s hopels A tane arce ae foce to co-frot tat realty hat remds e of ometg Jud was ay

i I looed i he I Paso poe oo Tee are weyve

ded actect, ad Ive neve een any arctectre i EIPso A grea nber of arciects orow a oe that comerm a maazie or a cotactor o cet d a hat oet

we ave to ieti a ue of etig paraetes a aeeag, ecase we do actecte, we wat to e ed at e ae e we do' w to ake wave However

te jory o chere poc today aen't e oose pe avage, ac re tat you abo yo oo o ew Yok Most of te e eyre a coage of

ojec, the oe ta preets te fewet prolem ethe fo teone wo deig t, o for te oe who recevi it o for

he ier d fo oe tree rsos, ts worthes, worhe wore Were loog for ometig ele

Maye were looig for that aethetic of dappearce hatPau Vrilo dscses Bt o eceiy i te ee Vio i-

ted hat val, iformc pace wee iorato crclate ater ta , ot a rtua space ecae toe

objes e comeely acg eai Tat' te pmay

caaceic o eveg beig t toay he rox at e os poec hgs ae, on e soci eve, e ost


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da That is te mos auten gs e tues wbefod te es of e Sout wee they are ade out of e-ey t lso oneo a ute a's vey h

lve The e obes hat ae hed nateojets hat orespod to soe iteul onvento eprobe o he wortessness of aitetre peses ite wtat least te same aut as i the eld of a b etaiy not onthe same ss

h Ahe Dsapp a ra

Obvosly we need to e abot wat we ea by eaestes o disppeaane . . Its re ha ere ae a tou-d was o dpea but we n at lest ompe te ndof dappee hat ult n eeowh is oneof te ideas ndel Pal Vs worknd e y tinsdspper ewo" wh aes o s d oud e

onsdeed a nd of sbaon he dsapeaane -n aot wh eslts te onept o worhessess oroess entoed eer es at one fom disappes to noer s a nd o meaorhoss: apearanedsapr Te eanism is opletey derent s ohe same s dsape witn a neo where everyonebeoes e loe or esss of soet ese; ts a hof erinked ors o wh we dsappe where evelies ts own disapeaae Its abo te at of dp-peane. Unfotnately ees only one wo to desbe tand he e s tue for the tem wohssness We an use dieet nses st as we an e ter notnne: butno atte ens we ener el o sose at

no loe be y eaied weve o o play he ae weefoed to

Ima Mde

N Do o s have a osie outook o moderiy?

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J.N. Yo did, yo're goig to m we I e ou ese

is soethng you wrote ad it's not iist at a In fct it'sther otimsti sice ou about modey as the ativ

sm of weeig:

JB I ge e reo ye sti tk bo o eThts rety good! . . Webeg it ws an o concet evehe; ow I wee beod hainess e robem s oone te ideion of oherene og ees objes

hose s uon wi cei coception of rte

ue so deended y he way T's een "nued, b he sese of av deae se a ewor e o loersk wee y or ot tn ewor, ore sil rtof te h, d you ove om oe er to note oueranspoted way b yo're no ecessry hpp

e qetion o pess ie that o eeom o respos

bit a hos of other qesions bo moern the desof odetese e o oger rey eevt at es

terms o expecg eose sese, I o oe oen If odert is oeive ths w, wc ws to suje

tive ensurweter i was the subecvty of te inividor te op mmum o acumtio ama nu-ber of gs hen moernity hs oversho he go s or it-sef May it did't i t be seede oo we, t

roelled s we eyd our go . . now l e esosae o ost ojects.

h By Vs

JN Coceps of oerit hee re vey bious

ese te re i o istori ocets, weres moert s vey nte s oeng va tog oay I s riy onerned wt te aesthei fors o diseane I red "Every re hg is reared to isea thts

t for' I fee tht te e o ere d ore tnrcheue desig he boes sese, we re exereniga estheti of srice I woud s, the sacrce of e vi

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atrzatio or nceasng doao o matte wtae se beg creasngly edce o ts smpes e

so Its qte obos a o objecs e e copte, w

has ben natie to an astonding degee, coae to thecahoe-ray screen he teesio ts eventy gong o en

up as t a a piece of rolg aper. We ca' see he thgs asty aen; we can oy see te resut. Thats al we have Whe

we'e succe we have is acto he s to ahieve it aeoteate ey cease to b eestng Ts cetuy once ookeito te or o a ecasc moert ad re excted atloog ie gsmoos, geas caway dagsow

tha's ove wth o loge nteess s we wnt is e esta's a isturg kd of macle

JB Youe orgeting at were sll ookng sde he geneccode, g to decode gees et ceea We wnt to ae ose

ds o hgs visile, u there's o echsm eer heea tes pace the eld of bioogy o geetics te fasy

is he same I dont now f ts he cunation of moeniyo n excescce Maybe his eo to get at the anc eato gs s desie to evea he eior o matter tsel, twe eac tose pces hat at es, e copeey iew vent ld s to iateriay or ay case to soe

ng that can no longe e eesented: pare, oee etceta Praccally speng bioogy o us its pre uche sae hg cet hat weve rasposed to he huan alo eots a coalyss alzao et cetera . a way,s modey at has educed tse o ts os bsic eeens,

tatey cag a agebra o e vbe

J wose comley s oe o he esseta paadgs

B These e eemens a ae "elsewhere i he sese hathy ae o onger ereptble, o onge art o percepto o

epesetato Bu they ae ot esewee e sense hattey coe om nothe ace te sese tat tey ightealy eese another fo whch we wold have to el


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in dc te I egs o aoher lae wee to aea

ee wd be a enewed pby f nterac but even

hee, neactio is oibe on e leel of te code of gene-

ic, bc elees, e cetea. ee is n re nteaction ethee s iite combatio ad wel go a a we in tadectinno despagly f ce N qe the ctray.

Thee even a knd f collective fascian w te age

ta i ealy ers us eturn Bu we ca n loge cam

tat me n f happiness r eed w lmatel envlved becae theyve disapeaed ey've volaized t

tat nalic reearc wee een ag ab S tat eed f erny?

A ?

N We c have a mre tstc visn of tng eecay

oce we manage to dmate maer sc a way at it enabe

s t relve pactc blems obem ted to ceta kidsof easue eve te ital easue ervered b ecess e wieles eephne good ame Y can ca eein te world fo ay oter oi te wo, ust as s o-

sible day t pe a iece f gas ad me spaentor oaque ad feel yor and w p o cotac Eveig

ke lace ver a srface f a few ilmeter . tec

lo ovons ae eadg he deon of ew senos

and added cfot, e rect f ew rms of pleae.S aybe te san snt a depeate a a hat!

B I wasn' ag abt dea I spl d at tere atrange atan, a fcat w sc tngs . s faca

in a f of apne F me i bt t not e happess scated w sedctin; it's sethg else he vetgo

ta e t go ter and the in ta drectn ests

clealy and we a sare n i cectvely bt we ave to eue tat we we rc te bndare f u exlorans, we

do't gge pocee at ae lete obterag Wenwe reac the mc even n bly, we ed u tiggeng

es Tey ay ave bee tere a aong bu weve aaged


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to eacve he, we've bog e o le. We so-

ere te hey disoeed us s we and ee re soso was igs bcke ing ose le to wt

ma e a kid o a eversibi We ae o longer e sersI ont ie to pa pophet but we shont eeve ta these aayi aves will d o geate ool o te wo

or o icrese apps. On the coary eve siece ecog-nizes tha i has less a ess onol ove e e e ojet

ceass to exsta some pot sip isappeas So weedo we k? OK, so ts bt e hat de obec discussed du-

ig e Enightement: pogess he ighs of an theest . o hee we ve ou oe doesnt mea its been

lost s sti ostagi visio its jst at its coe at itseen dspersed, wen wat we waned was o ore ino its

mae eiy d in hat sese has dsappee, goneogh t oe ac ne ieent o at or

in he worst sense of e wodwe s dont now . Wasgoig o apen wh all he negaive expe procees tthave een ggered and whi we kow ae og mh oeqc han te osiive poesses? I ay case he ouk fee s one s one of omple abiiy. Tha's l he end

o moerniy As ong as moden ws ae to beieve a

tee ws s postie decion and te negtive wold e

bued deepe and deee in positity we wee stver u

n e wh moey. B once eg wee searchig obecoes bos ivlnt evesible no ten mo-

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e nla: C we speak of trth rcitee? No, at

least not e ee tat aritete woud ave trt as its

goal o iao. Tee are igs a aitete wt to

y, tigs t ams to accois signi Wee e radi

a o arhitece? at s ta osti te raiiy oritectre? Ta' ow we o ose te qeso o trt

i aiecte Tat i to oe exte wat citectre s

ig to aive witot wig to sy t-wi i a om o

iota radicai oe wods t wha e er akeso it, wat aes to i tog se we i e gi o a

otroabe acto is eds me to troce ote aset o

ig wich is tei iera To y mi eat mes tat

sde o tehia proge aide o oci itor

eloet e aitectra oject a a eve ta as ake

pace s o loger setie o eig oetey iereted o

eaed S oects erss tgs e ses tao easve teetao i posile


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at does "ter e? use te expe of Beaborg

aga. OK we have Beauoug. wat doe t exre Ceoicon No ont hk o Beauoug exrese

oage euon, and Pano and Roges tetue ex-pees ose g leraly. at it eesse lealy osthe revese of he mege it uppoey exee. Beaorgrepreents ot te a o te n the tg hat ed cul-e, te tng it cmbe o i oe wos, te oon

o gn te ee e pofsio t t inena ontad-on hat taa aog ere, wi I a tet: Sr we n y at he Word Trae Centerone xpresses the piit o New York Cty is os radcorm vertcalty Te ower ae ke wo peorated ss heyae he y sel ad a he same e he vehce y means

of whh te cty a a stor d syo for ha beelqdatedrepeon onng Te twi tower are ones o

ea oher I e end o he y u it' a e etl endnd actete expresse both, bot he en a te -ment o ta e. hat ty, w is both solc ad rea,ad state we outde e pojet tt te arhe drawg

ede, beyon e nii deno o te ae

obet, is epese eay

Aoher Twe fo Bub ug oel: t' worh akig aubourg ea gned cul-e When ou look Beauboug om in the woldof artecre yo reze ta is oe o the rst atepts ooncree he heory of Argam ciyamacne In a way,Beauourg s te ao o ctionalst teore whee

architeture tranae the tuth o the bldg wic is akd of hyperh The seleton s vsble, t a it gs onte ouside ad the nees, eveyhg xoed to vew to aegree tat ee ee psse Egsh hgeh eahea pe n the eente, b eabog is te on bdg attoo h of a rk, aside o te Loy bdg, eas

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g g i the Beabog cocept oginally was he eedowt, the way he ace wa coceve We et ta tache or hosing a-or opelly fo manacuing

a-was gog to work. Copey pedible event wereuppoed to ake ace wt e buig te oor eas werepoed o cot w aed seos spports ovae extenios everg wa upoed o e opmay ogazehn a diectc o posppy. Beauborg wa rmarilya sppot. But e ace seqeny ae "ncona;' cometey ee meng Is worh og o a Juy 1999 an was desed-whle ey wee wogo he rstoraon-wch o e t te comey coverede de t enomos otogah on cnva ta wmoe ha wo nred eters long a hr meter hgBeaubougs io s to cre tese eeror ad eroreens, events of k whc e spose to be ee o of

mte duraton The mploson poke aot occue acometely epece y. he g tat was killed beore eve go o te on wa he osue o oter ossbilesthe pa ee i he osiie o ace it toa vacyThe fact hat tey ecostced e inteior space ung oinar aon tug i to a space at s completely covento meant at Buboug woud become the oppoeof a smpe arctectura ppo to te etent that theyve nowt G-i o e eam o ey aa moe e soe cn ease any idsia or mecanical eerence! Eveyeedo at exste wit the sace as een wee by tere erten whc ised th te oor aea whc w15 by 5 meer-wich is hgebe divde y a wal e

pace was sy ct n wo hs erao one removedthe ecesit, d erefoe he meanng o putg te dcson the osie-tey coud jut we have been tuck ee servce core or beee to ws Bt i the egit was c moe eva veg at w sppose onteac wth this support a chage rapy hapeand Beaboug s peenced if it were a buidg made

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cedibe nbe of vstos evey ea, s eomos sie eb has ee exhausted vey qicky. Ts cceeted

s o a chaaesc o e bn B s eesin to ee

he eormous screpcy ewee hechtecua ntentosd te eay At te sae me it wa Reno Pio oe o heo ctecs wo esed Beubour who s esponse fohe is too- o ca it hi s curetae ts cocept, ste Is d cut o ae e eey o e sevenes today

JB Ye t exty, Bborg d eect s ora ten

No hasnt ped s oe; e bd sttc Mab itw pen one dy But o one wated to pa wh ey it was oo deros too spontaneous Evehhas bee eed eseed ne ud wh ae w

ows but n 3 Te se woud hve happee enin hee ws a le roof wt bea bevedeeO cose ts staus as a u atact reas Buog

cios as a cater is tresses a nave a paz"'s ca o e uc to oe se o cosue he es o

Ps a he a A c to cosuton

A fo Cu?JB Yes s so o a pll hins lon n ts wake

oc s sl a knd o oe, ar e As o se- o povok clue I seca . How ca yo ep

e he subvesveess a he sce seeed o c orh as was ora esed?

J Ca he so accep sbveson Cn t e u-non he unoeseeabe t, th space as ope as ts,rove ss wih he cotos o soe ht s ove

se an efeence c t ee o ot et s? Aeces one g e ohe Wa oo s cteceta s o o sep coeoay e


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J S, eve toh we vy exre e eonshipo htete, o in bii, o uture, to soiey

how e w oin o dn i soil" ipa? s presely the

lk o a posbl eitio o t so that shou podean rhttr of e inenabl, ot words, a ti

ahitt hrrizd by ranoess ad he ntytht ives sol ie Aheue o lo onuent-

iz ythn toy. . . Bt t t eoentize anthher so what ol os it py

J Soe peope ve ted o prook hi rete, oitee We're y to do tis t dht eeyoe n heos, hogh is bsotey ab: roup o rl buis tht no o we Seta

oy Its aandoned ory oplex, loate i oe of thos popr uatrs o Masils ow s l Bell

Eihy tousnd squr ets o mpty spae! he plae wsepty n uns h ity ws hl seity a popha bn to squat i th idi ti o y, uit on -taneousy tist o iovpeop o theate, o-

ophrs pais a spos o now hee ws a lerr to rat a kin o open tral p ase on ivinur, jut the opposite o te kis o biis t a us-

y reve for re wh shedd hos, d desie oonson The pe wod e op dy a it isswo ive ee soe wo ivid as rop by oduers wod he an opporunty to otin r wor jointyre w a lear andae or th prot o iite ew work, preen to yonr rsts, eor, stuens, te un-

eploye wh a vey l lt iension. Bu hste o pproh nd his t o a hv the reatstuy oini nn an ui or tnead velopn h otrion s to rsov be-s h peop wo st he pot wo pr no o etinol so sort o stiuionl oprion hy

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whether tey vole he ct o he ovenmenwh ejectsuch adcaty Noneeess I think the poject is pat o the

dc o wt mst become contemporry cua spce

The hypercenalzed hypersoed laces we're surode wh are serie.

O Md: Muttion Rehabltatn

N the ebate gog on aout wt cal "modctons enta We it heavy hoout he e vey qck1y ve bay anhee yo We poce and eproducd

numer o ngs in eo e spaces ilngs, sus,n nonlcs as well. ow were i siaton n al he noh-

er cotes whee goh is jst aot ove. B r and

sur spaces he ua lnsce e cetera ae suect to

consnt modico We d ouseves wth ody of ai-ecal maerialtigs tt were bt badone, ebu

whh have o odied o emolshe; in any , thtsw we ve o work s ot qeto of y pio in-eon to conseve cetan number of sns o te past no of"rlag: i the conventoal sense o he tem some sor

o eed orgeois ste e eence o te picresue Isat cg ere eag an eene o some raw

nwoked matea I we ook at hats going on in Mseswe se istial udng ht could e consdered cltal

facily tt s 0 percnt coplete e sme fact of cngigis use sckig cea ne o objects isde, aplg

e isig toches, ios ctect sgns ates te

manig o he plce copletely o ge you a exaple hee

were lage oos 0 meters ong n 0 metes wde Befoe

the spce was tuated machine tools; now t it's empyit's smptuos. t wod e iposle to ceate a cur sace

ke o sctc tdy wod cost too mh We cose o

cosie tis ierioreero rban ensemble as a pee of teci Peope ve hee as wee a s y n we ee tatthe arciecta ct evov ound tng o repuosedacitecte s cod nove soen thas bt sie or


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on te roofor even on a tr. Nothss is pocss o simnao a orm o ratio a a complete quiatio o spae ts no oy a odao; ifs a mtaton Te spae

s o loge exeeed t sam way, tr e rt tgssie; we pay wh se eey chag e g adsng wth wat was a age, pooly ee uey tiovole we've gaduly maaged to poe a regeneav e- t no oe wol have oght possibe Ts prosso abriatig s today sod b eoragd ows s osap soa stadars to oba is ss o "ess:hs spry ta is esenl ad pned povok asese of ce oo ig t g oo dak oo gy too so adicl

J.B But s ao as yo a is o pt of a ctupa I f w w "al is ultay only a uc

f pymrpus o wo ows pe avies !

N hn aon ey a taio it becoe evese i os abtatio Rehaao n the lg sso tr is e pross o povidg sotg wh qesat had een denie to it previosy. I a p osng bi dng te sies n seventies ow "be aiad ms a hy' tai-sothg taad b ovroo or yeas-a someone ppes a iteolor e aad a cupe o w ad at "getoaonis pretaed by aowig e ua soi ai aod o deade d o o spad W tiue o pomo appoa to usig at we ow doest wok ad w sold

ad perpetue ll t poles we ave. Moeove to reeost w oat t wok ot to oaes who cap eensesas uc as possible T dng nslated o e otsieWe petend o a a m o mpovmens wen wevedo is pahd hgs up we oh i p r ad hee d tsgood o aothr wy yeas even tu t dngs weeoy digned o t twenty yes wen hey wer bt


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JB The lrge urban spaces tat have sprung into estencewit-ot any pelimny lnning, like New orks Lower Es Sideor Soo ae een tken over y e ide clss over e pst

twey years, oen rtsts wo ave cged e liesle dapeace of ose egoroods: s t rehataon orutation? I's easy to se ta tis nd of muttio s ost oenccoanie by a gencto o the negro, wic wsso te case Saor da Baa Br. The ve e c bu be tos facades everg chage

J Loo at Ps, for xame s cy hs been chaaterzey what I "emmng hs conssts prerg a seriesof fcd t ave soe soic vlue d dg new sc-tures ed temtis hapeed i Rue Qucpo, d e Mrais, ner Stal I's obvous at this seed onlyone upose o ge rid o te oo wo lived tere d epace

te t eope who hd e mens o pay We're we osidete aework o reabilitaon we we dicy cge usged oe te direcon of greater space crsed lesuree coqust of ew qutes ing s e oosite Webe p s apaments, cut he wndows n wo wh newr e cte ew Yo isnt exacy te me here e dus-tia space were uned nto dre apes, unique spacesee nred sque meters s You can ve a dgs t mers dep Once yo ave goo ghg a ethered yo cn accet te fact a ee re rer are n teceer, conay to e hygienc teories aored y odey whts appenng n s cse s more t rehbiittio;its also ao d a utaon tiaes a el s i

e way we understd pace aesteticlly n such spaces, tale tree chs d a ed ae sucient to cete a ocs osace ha es o ht it s wen it w sturted wmercnise n machiney

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N To poe t you wo ee o ceae a awaeess o

e pa of potas hey estd ad acept atevey tasatve a evey oicao is cta ac as

eet eatg smetg om scatc Can tey accepthe act at aciece s pessed a st ceasingybe appeciate om th a pveged space of ece

f ae? Hsty pvies us with beau exapes fahiteta ms that cinae i sedmeaio compe-eta The st covicig demnsaio, a biiant poo he they may e he wrk f ar Scarpa The st pt-c qesto beomes at estoy hat do peseve

a f we have the ey of tw gesqe pers f utteeess: te desty eveyhi pei o the sties adseveties e enovaon oowed y e eaig"peodLts eep eveyhg) et's ceate a pce ets tyto ecoomze e chieca act

Acieul Reso

JB Toay tigs are esied fr change; we have mobe ex-

ibe peeded evcs We nee t esg a ahitectuebased ompute gc, whic is happeng eveyhee ay-way Te hees tuaism, e pssibty f changoes idety f pg a be o cpue avats pay

hch is sppsedy an sentia aspect of e, tasmodei qite se

ve bee hg a o ab s aey Thee st be aeece bween thgs hat hage hs tat beceYes hees a daea ee beeen age ad ecm

g ngs a becme ae are epose to sestn

ng a pssiy isappeaa Becg s t the same aspotng hage itiag t watig it at ay pce ps-g impeatve o hange pepew is e e ffshn eampem which they eve escape Tas ntecessy how thgs bcme soething Can a y age

bee o eyes O cos we can tansf it mi it udoes becme smetg hen We ca say tha ites have


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ecome ngs over e. t's no a uestion o creang nos

taa t ct e ast, ended up acqung a d of s-art wie hee, now eore o eyes, hey cae at o

, i a state o consion Were watch hei chaacter-scs eode Even modcaion y be a way o einoducni o e procs of cha where ey woud ae skedbeg eher destoyed or ey and sy "mseied wic

s oe ieable fae Can we coneact hane wi an-

oher id o need? Maybe we ca o te: What wi h become

J Wong on what a yecoe mle ang a hegt-ed arene of it identi and eqes hat we e direchange Chane is at aoatic inevitale and may o ou

eaders cd i ayos demand change cause t's sn o iy a for of roh hat can excse a range of a-

srdes What a ciy becomes is decidd on the bass o whatame ore not soe hotecal ture designed by a ong-

e pannig eort. Wat t l become provdes oporunes or te eprsion o a conextua and coceal arctec

re ta is h ancored nd enn Cange for e eof ane rodes sots o ecs o js about anin;

n ta sense ts rt o he as o actectual eason Itcan come aou ouh e atoatic reprducton o maretmodels, as wel as om concepon of te ture aed on te

cog of reeisg buidings

J The apse o acitecura reason woud e cone archi

tecure

e istocl deveopen of er evouon hasaway boheed ahites ts a ne paado Achtects aeconstany mon e uan fabri yet ey esist evo-on ey geeay rerodce the reos peod ey wanto coe o bd te cy tha was ad evey e e cy

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L . . ." The evolution of e cy e wene cery s spposed o ve ee voe pva Ye we'e wessed

a cecu case as cg o e wee-cen

cy, te econsco o e Eope cy; tey s wo bd sees n ses s ey dd eoe . . B eye

see ad sqaes devo o meg.

C of Tom orow

JB Yes s o conng o ook w ppens

I Is o o epoon dpcon Acecs was

sc o ee fos sed e ps eye ee of seeg

e cy ove wys eyve wospe, wys ey epoed emses Te evouon of e y eg some

wa acpoyw coe o cse e gs e

ce pocess o ompee deeoazaon g ace

We e a W arees a cy oda s sesed y a cen e of peope a gve peod of e:

e e akes o ge ee ove aod ee oe peope

Fom e mome wa of sc acces o se e

o, we eong o a eoy d eoy coms

. We eog o a cy Wee gong o end p ba eve

we ve n e coy o o e m ey oees

o e ees vage We w ao e pa of e " e

no spce wi deteme o beg a pa o e e

fe

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eed eo s ne o ee as yo ve a e s o onge e e of e cy u s e

possy va a e pyg on e keyoad oe cy as i wee a k o scee I w as e ed of acece . y psg e cocep o s m ad pay

sg e ooa as a pon of depe s s eeced

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expreson of a suject o he re of an obe bt alos

excusvely the ecica llent of its iisc oibi

tes t's e phogrpc eu ha es e w Peope

i hey're photogag a scene b the'e ony ehnicaoperaos of e devies e ualy The viu s e dece at w og e t nctn t eands

nction And o eas al i possities Doesnt e sae

thng hapen n acitetue, wi ts inie poential no on r f aeras ers of odes l te fs haae ave to citects (osmoden or moden) From tha

moen on eveg s aanged cog o We can o

oge een seak h, te sense at there g be anal o acheure, ut we ca't se of radcy, eite;

wee n te eal of pure viy.

Vu Arhte R e

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aions sae dee bu wl poduce acteure?I al eazed hat e Guggenhem in Bilbao was cay

he e f ojec ade of cex cposos a ung

eashed sg elemets whose odes e exosed a

e cmbinatos expreed. You coud ae a hunde

seus f e e tpe ogou, ooul ne of wh

wou resebe one aohe

N ou can el on Fk Ge srpr o

Hes wonder ea is maelousad Im not -ng a ve jud aot e bject iself but e sucue

f pocon and fabrcaton t ade e udg oile

I see , his achtecture no onger ossesses e lealty was ag bou ht s, he presence of a sga o haod' e sate o anoer fo e Gggenhe it-

sef s ey tansaable to many ote nds of bects,

as part f a chan . . Yo ge e po tha ee od


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cc , t dc co oc vg gre m-ges dessl. a vsl sm w hop hat

r w exep g th do't oy sdeit e lgc cno. Bt s't s s

to e rsk htetue ssd to? A oom s we wrang aot reads I wo sy t he Guggm is

a ad elms e tee om e Te yhg we ed to o s spos em pee thm, lay w

h deet wa wve e r. Oy e

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melg a w d p w o.

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bd ppo woud giv sse o e e would

lok o e mos le hs dss of hi m

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s proirag at an aag rate The ost ecie ecooi

modes are movg i t dreon. .

Co Mo de g h t eN s tr ig asir th sg stng daa give h

fact ha te ou ca od at t so qukly? You

g a paaet ere aoer ere a a f ours

t's don. Th syste is ready or a new dg Consuty

budngs re not ray ought out; ty are basd on ie-

at prol sy decso g This aso vovs

te compe sacc o a diension hat any fl beogs to

anote here s no hr ned for pubic spas no

e e o coos w ave to do s ua I ee

o by a buildig Tis is he way I ca ave it o te owest ost

and as ly s possble h arametes r sil hers o

ed fo ay eaons

Wiin th acittal se, os te possiity sl stfo he act o ke hs r

N Most o te im ther no atct n t snse genery undesoo hre are engiees who ar rety eet at

wokig wi te sds An tos stdas are assoiated

h ctan huans o behaor atides. In Ero orexample ou ca't se n o buidig hat doesnt ve rect

gh he Ue Stat or a vaie o rasos saas and onsideby o hose n Europ For xle, youre

autoriz to us ca ight In oter wods lets sy you

hve a bildg hats eers dp d yor os r

th cent o te budng you see e rs wiow ws way, and youl rtii lgt l he e Toselgs w re h ca o b sel w Asia South era Bt no onsideraon s vn o han o-for t is h "deveoe cois hve the most

dvce huas sandas! Oe s n h pooes cs

tht you d soanos acs of eaion hese c b co

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se cogaed heet meta o piees of ag Here we can eti

a oe tha is rey a om o ceatio wheea he othe

es, were getg pre fa away o ta.

l So what cot a parclr space toay assmig ac-

ecs s hae ay crve eedo?

J Fortately e codons aret in lace ye o eatg achtete Witn he oon othe y ee will ways

be a maa ace le for a o aetheesaesthetes i

teir ow le a n the behavorwn hgy veged

enonmets. a wonder mot abo is wat tose itie

ecoe . . I the er re hey won't ayg ewat we'e famlir wth oay. f te South i goig to deeop

nd catch o he evel of the ces o the Noh usig e

ae ethos t goig to tae geerao a I dot ee

whee the oey goig o come rom No, th there weegoing o wtns a re tation

L gh tnss and H eav e

eve tk tha e e architea and ra mutaonwi aect ou eatonip to mae Othe ors of edaon

wi be ivolved, d the tation l h towad te -

mateial. Eveyth a is iaer vita, sooous,

at o the wod of cocato s alreay tang o

exe aytg tha doesn't nvove te creaon o copex

ifasctres wll have a advatage eyng tha avo

puig ene ough eoos conit ghvotage es

hat so o hig O thogs fo e tre houd ocused

on autoomy lgess. Ths w lead us o te pooo oeegg ad envroentay endy fos o eey sc as

soa o wn enegy aee commcaons o te a

io o data, eveing tat oters he local eakdown of

wae ae han ts cetralzon I hs k of hig

ta ca e se o ew ateg at w coletey e ou

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s i e apence o a "onciy cty, a eoyTs o eelope a ake o aco e ee o

sabe eeopme I escring a growg tren a were

sta og way o fom is reaon b i sees o e ats s one exape o a ezabe opia

B Uforuaey I fee tha n he ureyo mentoed e

grea mao of coso o ulg eeds, wll e echno-catc modele. We also have a y arcere reseeor a and of pivilege ds We ee is aeng a ner o eds, soe, and he re s towrd ceasing discriaoncoay o wat we eieva iscrinaon a uns couner o he objecives o democacy a

oey ' ot se wher or o acecue ca paya ole al s Even so t as wed to pay a ole esedeeopes, a equag roe, no a mas oe

N Yes bu te ths wod e a resu otaey is o

rogh archece tha we'e gog o age e wod!

W Uop

B es hats ue, I' a eas stl beee we chage he wod rough acece . . Is uoia fo

es a prose es Uton rhiecte was utaey

a reae arcectre But he re does' e en rsog he opose dreco? Isn hee soe nge atece may ecoe a oo o scnao

JN Atough acetue may be abe o uece olcs

o cge he wod ocs as a resosb o e e ofartectue o acheve is soca huniara ad economc

objeies he eooc densio of cuewheher is

chtec or nos aken o acon the saecoes Sce m a ealst as wel ea ao rogs

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B Poeaio wiout seali calenges he dea o sexuai-

wio ocreationwch has been e essce of eoi-

csm & e laoratory gows potnce, he el of eroi

cis w or te os pat, start to ilode Bt sextyisnt h on n . . t enetic enneerin, e'e e

oss o stdy enes for ue modon Aericacinics aead est whee peope can ype he chacterstiof tei re int so hat it doesn't tn o hoosea . Obvosy os o s a sc ha oes ae ese

hee s ot bee te act hat we ae o ove tesee, tat s, ven aoe secies. If we ook a e hnspees as i is o achitectue as a histori for, or he city as

a sboc or, wa coes aerwrd? eonenil oeraon of ngs in cobatoi so? At tat poi, wee

enterd a asat met space ut oe hats eze ere

ot js oruas.

We ke nalogy ne te clong o geic

pogae bigs; t's eser w s peope 's a nd of ew sperntioism tio-

s, c s ot e ioais o te od oac ad soicos, se ve, et ceea s oeig dieret We eed

to etene he new data ae on to ea sgcatsince wee cey wness te rice o actectre

Percepibe are becom a th of te We be

optiists d sse tat wee oin to become true viroos

of ths ew oraing ad wel be abe to integrate a wholerage of ioraton and assmpons capabe o pocigasoltel trc space articated round he roleatic of

he envonment hats been eating at s Its qesion o surv We ave o teate odern eolog

B Te ement, ecoloy 'm euce agst he

I ee at eooy exiss eey tho te eaace o

" nat data Eveing tat is r o ate or nat ust eate we ae to d a erect c wor were

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Ae e s he Dese fo Om po

JB Yo ge he eg at e dese o omipoee tt rives

ahteuk a lage goveret oect fole

o longe has yng o do e age of itsef it wants ooe t e whas gog o geetc egieeg A ge-

ecist oy h he's ecg he oe and he er:

e's e oe who cees the hi! Hes e descina ha

ceaes e chd, a chil who ogines wit is no ong-

er eeded seqence of a dese.

J Its bee a ong e sice ahes ogh ey were gods

The oy a s soeoe s gog to sch a rewy ciece is siply e rt of ecessity hreees

of te e ase o e ecesy of se an cstom, ere o rcteu is scpue coemoaon

B ees a nny ie mueu sue yoe ia wth

itha was b y Ke ge Ne 's aoae a

elicios le biig th sit o oy o wate, not fa o

the ior t was bt aot ee o fo years ago a has

emaed ey sice en becase ee was nve any d

ig to y conten for t. So e mseu has emaed ey

nd its mavelos, a jewel. Ove e ast ve o six yeas enoTge has t yng hse So y be he s roec e ccepe e had eched hs enit

N Soees e nae o great hitect s e bnd So

we coe to ld de the Kezo ge ba. i a vey

goo osiio o now his because I dscovee a b cloneo oe o y oects Tokyo The sic poe voved te

gd o e oo d or he Tte Dfense, e pespeve

bckgrod o e istoc s eween e Louve ad te

c de Tiophe a ojec at ws awde second pz te

pesies coeion 198. Sekese won st pe fothe Gade Ache, wch is ow coleted

My sig ws an ept o go eyod tdona e


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g e classcal er se cavases rvealed a checeboa netwo f n les eh the paining hat ed as a

so tat he orig caoo co be eaged I ase, i a semoie k oriz ng

e oid te A de Trih i ely sle sqes heldng was a teeesona ohognal ke a gga

c Sol LeWtt sclptr The sn se alng te axis ectl to

the west to create wa I call "maemaic sss rom adisace, i ws wodiesona, wo dep; o u cos

prvie a sense o hpererspeve, a t le Eschedag So Toyo hey bt hs tree-desl g

a nle olowg he same proportios as Dese,a uig at eac But since te udig ws' careysuate wh respe to he stting s, ey u arcasu o he grid, a bal o sin stee hat, i the eveing, was

arcay lluat wh re, voet orage lgt . . We Isaw te udn o vig a isace g was

halucnatg . . Bu as ate wol ave ta yo should

ejo se fata ement s ha o h oter sde o Too

Bay jst a f loees awa sepat ony by the water ws big a ge, y owe F y ec Tyo

I ou se gd, y aheaca sst ad ta

sset!

B wa aot or rojs he Uivesal xposti

in Grma? e ave a pretty goo scpt ut te wor: tvg wor he ead w, e spec wok The spectr s

sel-pepeag k e eath s sctered og a te v

tua prdve os Soe tog w to tat poet

xplae tat to Frc laa, te coreograhr,wo is gong o stage ths ng secale le a epsio .Te bg ueso hat eas s te eedm f ass wkgw esis at oy povide acg y e hessage . . Ths s onge atna sosos Bt

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of easons to be rod of its uqenes to deose hat t

w ale o e te mos o tgc s

J.B. In Bein here hs been teaton o isorcize eveig o clde eve he most horble ngs e citys he

tge Ts eins me o the e te thoght oe of Bras

ages aveas was of te wod's aton

I Yes efoe he a o the Wa . t a the scae of enegborhood Ben hs sown a geat dea o good sense

e wa it as det wth vegetto ad wer e Gemans

ae oe sdos we are n wog o icrostategesfor iovation and magement o the cy on te da-toda

eve

J ich is ve dieent om Frat d te ohe cities.

Moeove, in 8 wen te sae ovemens wee nde wan b Gerany and e ee wee oe coues

Ge b ee were aso age patents wth oo

itchens and ng wa ease rance we eve scceeded;te g atents wee oo ensve By e way seems t

the wows n he Geie Lafayette

Architecur as e A of Cnrait IN Now if e dngs are we-know a soo s soeg

haens eveyone knows at t. S o shod e awae o

the ac a e glass s deged o al o jug ayoe

L a wndhed But I get he eeng at o age of

herer we'e going to eed oe ety gas! In act

weve rned eit io key factor Arcitece is e at oconsant we ave to de wt at I oen se e exale of

becase we nton h as movie drecoectos

ad ctecs e the oe who wok wit he ost constain

s tur uvee We have rougly te sae eaioshpto a ie, or a podce o a pooe Tey give s a cetin

aot o oey to work wit, ad ey e to see i upy

withot avg des o e hds e ve cews a


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e he idea o aspaency for exape ts soeg

etaodnay at expresses e pay of t wi soeg

at appeas d disppes) b a te sae tie you ge teession tha it lso voe a sle orm o cesosip. This

seach fo sae" w whch or era is fascated is at

e vey east abivae its reaio to powe

N Obiously thas o xacty y deoloal vew of trns-

aey! s ue tat asarey an be aw s seicorcly. Wat iteests me the evoluton o actere

rt now is te reaton bewee ae an wic can

becoe someh gy sateic Im much ore terted

e reation bewee aer ad ght exposed by the tras-paey o opacy of ass or exale a y forl spaia

paees hroghot e cety we ae epoe vare

y o tecues d ow we ow jst aot were we aread heres o appaet reaso to choose one fo rater aoe Bt e poblem of Csee" (of a or a chec-

e a ie spae s a c ore coepory poblem

aoiate wt the evolo o ou knowege about matter

nd qutu pysi, the disovey of fats et etera hese

re te conseeces of e advce scence ad tecologyave o o awaee of ow we appeen e ord, space,

tme, wc are so gog to cage ou ecea eaton o

space Te tred tody is to cosie that costucting a iece

of rcitectre eans bog par o cotu t ensbidg spce.

L e You hae to t of g as matterand ows even

fr quatu pyscs ta's e crux o e pobem Physicists

ae uenly tyi o eteme a poto as as aney' contie unt they d i ss Fo now ta mass is

eyod wat esearcers ae capale of eeg bt tey're

prety se t sts So wa doe "tanspan

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use ert aes we be e o roga a dg d-

feeiy oer tme and ay wih ephemeral eects. You codsy tt adonal o assic iecue has lwys lye wi

he peranee of rtecura eecs oe ad oe werering o wo wit coces inoling e progmmig o

compex re eecs fo he e bidng A wor

g wi ansaecy ivolves notg moe a worng wimatte o give ldng dee eaanes H am wokg

wi gass cn pror wht I gog o se ca deen

on whee I ig i o e ont or e bac; I can ay wi

eh of el, wit nsarec he stc sense o e te. c wok wt bkghg ad a nube of oe hgs

Teres a way o eng tansaen inepeng i srictly

I gong o do soeg ht wont see ad I'm gog tosee veyg ough i O e ace le s ot

g bt onogaphy.

J.B Te oposie o a secre osey.

J.N My ngs y to pay wih the ees o vrtuay ap

eance Viewes wone i e ae is esent or no We

eae vial ages we eate abiguiy A budng play

wih asae eects bt does so throgh aother ele-

met, wich is eecio A e Ce Fodaon bug,

te viewe neve nows ifey'e seeing te sky o s eeioGeneay ou see bo, ad a bigi ceates ierayof mtple peaaces A e se me e ing maes

ue o e ost riv on o raspae for e exbi-on space ee you kow at wa eod he terio

is going o hange he e o the ing, o least oe'spercetio o t is desgned o hat Walkg ont ofe dg yo see a sply

s what w so exaoy abo e oenig o eIssey Mie eib, ecause yo hd te esgners mobe ee

ets isde en yo d a gurve eresnttion oe

by te gess hemselvesos o e woen wee dese


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sy Miyakwic crat a secod lm n e ovalldg But you also d t ni g anspat wicseed as gn s dgn tdg oide e bg

o w acon o spa w its w la d w d its co an oc ion

JN wol vy trsg to ae a ic o e ud-g reveals all th xhiits ha hav plac sd Oag ge a grat da o saisaco o s o ndg Cari Fodao sace i e By ii-on ta tk lac e ee grod oor pngd ndass eaed comltly ar or hronhs T waspat o ojct Tanspancy is aso trasappaac W houdn coside is an ioo on o aty toval vrytng conol vyg

JB B sn sclded ia o ansaywhh yo wa it o o no Ad i imes a ood amo s archt I ls all ans o orma-to, a otaly o omao aou oee. Te idea o se-tg e ataons, h scts o ansarny agst e dcatosip o sany o corstng e inplay o h vsilad t ivis aganst asot visit, is qui su Trar osrons that ield o os iial saec aa vcor o powr, ocsg on h aio o sets oysrvs to rval tat i o loe t o what we see

Disppence

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Ye ow it' become a petext nd s idt jst beg

ody Stindglas wndows wee lo se to sir ect

The SaiteChapee wa thee log efoe w were! Bt f w

consider hat rcitecte nolves cetg oeic of sos saaeos mephyic, he aey asume a d

eet nig You ve te ide of he olid n he pem-

el The conce o peeniy st ei he chaeitic

o atectue tht s os oe acoweged. osider

y .

e want acecte to be ethig at ve How-

evr tha' o loger a cto o ode attuat let

s is te way t seems o me O its fco tt bee di-

gusd ivetd; it been tue o oeg e "aing

te:' Oveg he o

es ut why s buidg preerved? A dig s pesrvedas oon it's loved

Has too

Wh D oe Archi ur Ba Wiss To?

IN. We a bg eves as a wines o a ygoe r i is re-ervd. If budig i condered sitbe rospect fo beang

we, ee i vy gle ke Kt o expe coseto home he ower o Bborg, t is preved. e fac

tt we ann spuce it p, epi it, presre i i pefectcodon, is pr of ia of cosetio Once a bg

ce i dmension of erg wites it at least ia sene chve ut der el Jus bease its mae of ein-

foce coce o gate ot ean i reist the deons o tiehe bdg cocte rod he te o

the Secod Word Wa are aeay i prey ad spe waever

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Cobusiers Vla Savoy has ner een as love. s beenerecy maaed ad is more bat now ta i was oigi-ny oe aue go as fa as to say at ou arcitectu

hertage as bee erie Loo a he Orea iuence Fra oyd Wight woo n bick Cosie e desiny atwoud ae had . At the e, the avatgae i rchitecte

was ioe w ogic orms, made wh epeer mateis at ween't dested to a le Las gas o me sce e

kown e cy or y yers is ben a ea asace

J ometes e erc ae so ogeos that e esul isrey osanng Wel contue o complai aot ou

geosness e day we wake n sok any ce, citectue s, paadocay niewae; oy a vey sma par of

whats ut cou Een r loyd it wo ad con-siderabe uence on the centuy, who uit hundeds of houses

icdg Fg Wate, a and o ge udgs suh teJohnsn W un and e Gggenhe Even wi hits no so eay to uncoer s tack te Uned Staes

Singulaty

J peakg o whc, I ey mu le wat you sad abt

ou xectations o citect: tat hey are he ones st creatig "sg ojecs

ont esee he cred The obect in n u

singular objects of architecture

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