scottish independence forum 3 june13 (first half)
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Informing “The Question”
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Event Team
T. Grossardt(ComDec)
M. Marra(U. Dundee)
B. Gall(U3A)
K. Bailey(ComDec)
M. Whatley(U. Dundee)
D. Torrance(5MQ)
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Event Attendees
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Aims of the Event
• 1. To help those present to gain a better understanding of the underlying issues associated with the referendum in September 2014, and
• 2. To use the Structured Public Involvement (SPI) approach to assess what themes the audience deems most significant in determining their stance on the independence question.
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Plan for Today
• Introduction and Background of the Question
• What Would Help Us Decide: What Matters for the Future of Scotland?
• Exploring Questions in Depth
• The Way Forward
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Why We’re Here
• Introduction of SPI Background and Applications
• Relevance to This Question
• Why We Came and What We Hope to Contribute
• AND: Which Side is Ted On, Anyway?
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Using the keypads
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Who’s Side is Ted On, Anyway?
My S
ide
Their
Side
When D
id They .
..
32%
49%
19%
1. My Side
2. Their Side
3. When Did They Move Holyrood to Kansas, and Has Anyone Told the Authorities?
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What Have Been Your Primary Sources for Information About the Question? (pick 3)
Radio
New
spaper
Tele
visio
n
Onlin
e-Websit
e
Socia
l media
Disc
ussio
n wit.
..
Oth
er
28
22
38
5
32
0
7
1. Radio
2. Newspaper
3. Television
4. Online-Website
5. Social media
6. Discussion with friends, family, others
7. Other
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How Young Are You?
76 +
66-7
5
56-6
5
46-5
5
36-4
5
26-3
5
16-2
5
22%
61%
17%
0%0%0%0%
1. 76 +
2. 66-75
3. 56-65
4. 46-55
5. 36-45
6. 26-35
7. 16-25
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Male or Female?
Fem
ale
Male
33%
67%1. Female
2. Male
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Some Things I Do (choose up to three)
Busin
ess O
wner
Studen
t
Retir
ed
Work
Part
Tim
e
Work
Full
Time
Lookin
g for W
o...
Par
ent
Volu
nteer
2
7
43
1718
022
1. Business Owner
2. Student
3. Retired
4. Work Part Time
5. Work Full Time
6. Looking for Work
7. Parent
8. Volunteer
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Have You Decided How You’ll Vote Yet?
Yes,
I’m Q
uite...
I’m
Pre
tty Sur..
.
I’m
Leanin
g To...
I Reall
y Hav
e ...
37%
9%
33%
22%
1. Yes, I’m Quite Certain
2. I’m Pretty Sure I Know How I’ll Vote
3. I’m Leaning Toward A Particular Decision
4. I Really Have No Idea
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Prof Chris Whatley, Vice Principal
• The Union and referendum in historical
context
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Michael Marra, Director
David Torrance, Deputy Director
• Our history
• Our economy
• Our state
• Our nation in the world
• Our governance and culture
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1. How does the experience of union over the past 300 years matter?
2. Do we need a new vision for the union now?
The most relevant questions to be answered about Our History.
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1. How will an independent Scotland pay her way?
2. What will our economy look like? - financial services, oil, renewables, manufacturing
3. How much income will North Sea Oil provide for an independent Scotland?
4. Will we use the £, the Euro, or a new currency?
The most relevant questions to be answered about Our Economy.
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1. Would our welfare system change? – the NHS, benefits for unemployed, tax credits.
2. Would the education system stay the same?
3. What about our pensions?
The most relevant questions about Our State.
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1. Will I need a Scottish passport? How much will that cost?
2. Will we immediately join Europe / NATO?
3. Would we have an army?
The most relevant questions about Our Nation In the World.
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1. Will we still have the Queen as our figurehead?
2. Would we have a constitution – who would write it?
3. What would our media look like?
4. Who will govern us? - political institutions
5. Will our cultural output change?
The most relevant questions about Our Governance and Culture.
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Relevance?How does the experience of union
over the past 300 years matter?
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2% 2%
7%
4%
13%
15%
20%
11%
26%
1. Not relevant at all
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9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?Do we need a new vision for the
union now?
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Extre
mely
relev
ant
17%
0%
5%
2%
19%
14%
19%
7%
17%
1. Not relevant at all
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9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?How will an independent Scotland
pay her way?
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Extre
mely
relev
ant
3%0% 0% 0%
77%
8%8%
3%3%
1. Not relevant at all
2. ...
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5. ...
6. ...
7. ...
8. ...
9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?What will our economy look like?
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Extre
mely
relev
ant
2%
0% 0%
4%
47%
13%
20%
9%
4%
1. Not relevant at all
2. ...
3. ...
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5. ...
6. ...
7. ...
8. ...
9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?How much income would North
Sea Oil provide?
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Extre
mely
relev
ant
7%
4% 4%
9%
22%
20%
9%
11%
13%
1. Not relevant at all
2. ...
3. ...
4. ...
5. ...
6. ...
7. ...
8. ...
9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?Will we use the £, the Euro, or a
new currency?
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nt at a
ll ...
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Extre
mely
relev
ant
9%
4% 4%
7%
27%
16%
13%
9%
11%
1. Not relevant at all
2. ...
3. ...
4. ...
5. ...
6. ...
7. ...
8. ...
9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?Would current proposed changeds
to the welfare system be continued?
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Extre
mely
relev
ant
4%
2%
7%
2%
31%
22%
9%
7%
16%
1. Not relevant at all
2. ...
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8. ...
9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?Will there be more investment in
welfare in an independent Scotland?
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Extre
mely
relev
ant
0%
2%
7%
5%
28%
21%
9%9%
19%
1. Not relevant at all
2. ...
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8. ...
9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?Would the education system stay
the same?
Not r
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ll ...
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Extre
mely
relev
ant
13%
0%
5%
3%
37%
16%
3%
5%
18%
1. Not relevant at all
2. ...
3. ...
4. ...
5. ...
6. ...
7. ...
8. ...
9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?What about our pensions?
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Extre
mely
relev
ant
2% 2%0%
2%
64%
17%
0%
10%
2%
1. Not relevant at all
2. ...
3. ...
4. ...
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8. ...
9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?What about occupational
persions?
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Extre
mely
relev
ant
5%
0%2%
7%
60%
9%
5%7%
5%
1. Not relevant at all
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9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?Will I need a Scottish passport?
Cost?
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Extre
mely
relev
ant
32%
7%
10%
5%
27%
2%
7%
5%5%
1. Not relevant at all
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9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?Will we join European Union
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Extre
mely
relev
ant
3%0% 0% 0%
77%
9%
3%6%
3%
1. Not relevant at all
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9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?Will we join NATO?
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mely
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3%
0% 0%
6%
50%
3%
11%11%
17%
1. Not relevant at all
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9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?Will we join the UN
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mely
relev
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6%
0% 0% 0%
52%
13%
10%
6%
13%
1. Not relevant at all
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9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?Would we have an army?
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Extre
mely
relev
ant
6%
0%
9%
14%
26%
23%
11%
3%
9%
1. Not relevant at all
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9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?Will we remove Trident
immediately?
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mely
relev
ant
9%
0%
12%
3%
35%
3%3%
0%
35%
1. Not relevant at all
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9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?Will we still have the Queen as our
figurehead?
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Extre
mely
relev
ant
26%
5% 5%
3%
42%
5%
8%
5%
0%
1. Not relevant at all
2. ...
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5. ...
6. ...
7. ...
8. ...
9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?If not the Queen, then who?
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relev
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31%
3%
0%
8%
41%
0%
10%
3%
5%
1. Not relevant at all
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9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?Would we have a constitution and
who would write it?
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Extre
mely
relev
ant
3%0% 0% 0%
72%
11%8%
0%
6%
1. Not relevant at all
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5. ...
6. ...
7. ...
8. ...
9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?What would our media look like?
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Extre
mely
relev
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15%
10%
12%
7%
20%
7%7%
5%
17%
1. Not relevant at all
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8. ...
9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?Who will govern us? - political
institutions
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mely
relev
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5%3%
0% 0%
68%
5%5%3%
11%
1. Not relevant at all
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6. ...
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8. ...
9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?Will our cultural output change?
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relev
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17%
3%
6%
8%
28%
8%
17%
3%
11%
1. Not relevant at all
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9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?How much influence will Scotland
have on large blocs?
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Extre
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relev
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8%
13%
2%
0%
42%
15%
4%
2%
15%
1. Not relevant at all
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9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?How and when would we judge
the success of independence
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Extre
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relev
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43%
5%
0%
5%
21%
7%
5%
7%7%
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9. Extremely relevant
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Relevance?Should we consider a federal
system?
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Extre
mely
relev
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33%
9%
2%
0%
24%
7%
2%
4%
18%
1. Not relevant at all
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Relevance?
How does the experience of union over the past 300 years matter?
Do we need a new vision for the union now?
How will an independent Scotland pay her way?
What will our economy look like?
How much income would North Sea Oil provide?
Will we use the £, the Euro, or a new currency?
Would current proposed changeds to the welfare system be continued?
Will there be more investment in welfare in an independent Scotland?
Would the education system stay the same?
What about our pensions?
What about occupational persions?
Will I need a Scottish passport? Cost?
Will we join European Union
Will we join NATO?
Will we join the UN
Would we have an army?
Will we remove Trident immediately?
Will we still have the Queen as our figurehead?
If not the Queen, then who?
Would we have a constitution and who would write it?
What would our media look like?
Who will govern us? - political institutions
Will our cultural output change?
How much influence will Scotland have on large blocs?
How and when would we judge the success of independence
Should we consider a federal system?
Is the party political complexion of an independent Scotland significant?
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Phew! Now it’s Break Time!
• When we come back we’ll delve into the most important questions in more detail.
• Be back in 15 minutes.