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Hcp kwhmZns _mn]{Xw

Ign daZm 30v(29.082011) XnfmgvN BtKmf kabw 03.04 \mbncpp \yqaqAv tIcfn kqcymkvXabtijw 6 an\p v Ignv N{ AkvXanp. daZm HcpZnhkw sshIn Bcw`n tIcf apkvenwIv im XpSm N{e ImtWXpm

bn-cp-p. Hcp an\p-ns AkvX-ab hyXym-k-n t]mepw lnem \-t\{Xw sImv"ImWm' km[nncp tIcfn Ctm 6 an\pnepw 12 an\pnepw N{e ImWmIgnbmsX hncnpp!! AXn\m sNmmgvNv ]Icw _p[\mgvNbmWv CuZp ^nXzBtLmjnXv. N{e N{Ihmfn Dmbm aXn ImtWXn, Hcp ZriytaJebnHcnSv Im aXn, temIv FhnsS Imepw kzoIcnmw XpSnbp hmZapJ

Dbnh Bcpw Xs temIs _lp`qcn]w P\XbpsSbpw cmjv{SfptSbpw IqsSsNmmgvN(30.08.11) CuZp ^nXz BtLmjnn. tIcf apkvenw P\XbpsS AkzX]qcnXamb lrZbhnImcw Dsm apkvenw kokv kusskn P\fpsS hnizmkwsImp ta Xamifnsb kw_nv Hcp N \Sm Xocpam\npIbmbncpp.tIcfnse Fmhn`mKw aXkwLS\Itfbpw BbXnmbn Wnsnepw tIcf PwC

p Dae {]knU v F.A_vZp laoZv aZo\n Hgnv amcpw Xs BbXn\v Xmdmbn.

Fw.Fkv.Fkv.`mchmlnI lnPvd Inn Hm v Cysb kao]npIbpw im amkwBcw-`n-Xv sNmm-gvN-bm-sWv sXfn-bn-m Bh-iy-s-Sp-Ibpw lnPvd Inn BbXvkljw kzoIcnpIbpw sNbvXp. im Hmw XnbXn _p[\mgvNbmbncpp shXn\vtIcf PwCbp Dea sXfnhv lmPdmpXmsWpw Ah Adnbnp.

lnPvd Innbpw sI.sP.bphpw Xn Hcp Xpd Nv thZnsbmcpn. NbpsS

LS\ Xocpam\nm CcpkwLS\m {]Xn\n[nIfpw Fw.Fkv.Fkv `mchmlnIfpw IqSnbncptmgmWv sI.sP.bphns ]q ]pdv NmSnbXv. Ah ]dp A`n{]mb hyXymkap hnjbsf am{Xta N sNtXpq. im Hv sNmmgvNbmbncpp FXn Xv kwibansv sI.sP.bp {]knU v hyamn, am{Xhpa cphnjbn am{Xta A`n{]mb hyXymkappshpw HmatXv \yqaqWns\ kw_npw cma-Xmbn Znhkw XpS-psXtm F-Xp-amWv A`n-{]mb hyXym-k-ap hnj-b-sapwAtlw ]dp.

Akvt{SmWan \yqaq AtXm {Ik v \yqaqtWm?

ta ]dXn {Ik v \yqaqWmWv amkamns am\ZWvUsav sI.sP.bp {]knU v hyamn. Akvt{SmW-an \yqaqWmWv lnPvd Inn Xocpam\sav AtlwXs {]kvXmhnp. Nbn ]sSp Cu teJI BbXv \ntj[np. Ans\ hmZanspw Ckveman amkamw Xocpam\ntXv JpB 2:189 Bbns ASnm\nemsWpw R hyamn. XZSnm\n hniZoIcW HgnhmpIbpw amk\nWbn CkvemanI am\ZWvUw F hnjbw XncsSppIbpw sNbvXp. Akvt{Sm

Wan \yqaqWpw {Ik v \yqaqWpw HmsWpw BZytXv kw`hn \nanjw XscmatXv Dmhpsapw R hyampIbpw sNbvXp. {Ik v \yqaq BWv XfpsS ASn-m-\-am-sWv sI.-sP.-bphpw Akvt{Sm-W-an- \yqaq Fm-sWv lnPvdInnbpw hniZoIcnpsav DsSpn Icm Hnp.

]s, Fm [mcWIfpw sXnv BSns\ ]nbmn, ]nsb t]nsbv hnfnv Xnsmp ImS coXn XsbmWv sI.sP.bp ]WvUnXam kwhmZn kzoIcnXv.

sI.-sP.bp/sI.-F.Fw t\Xm- t\cn v lnPvdm Inn {]Xn-\n-[nsb hnfnv kwhmZw

kulm]camhWsav A`ynv A\pIqemh krjvSnm X{w sa\ncppshnepw kwhmZev AhcpsS IpX{ambncpp AsXv hyambn. Icm HnSpthfb BZyw Xm {]kwKnpsapw cmaXmbn kn.]n.Da kpan {]kwKnpsapw

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sI.sP.bp {]knU v Xdnp ]dbpIbpmbn. lnPvd Inn `mKv \npw A_vZpdjoZvtkew {]kwKnpsav Adnbnp. Fm hmnv bmsXmcp hnebpw Iev]nm sI.sP.bp.A_vZp laoZv aZo\nsb tPnencpn ap cpt]sc sImp {]kwKnnpIbmbncpp. AXn Hcm sI.sP.bp/ sI.F.Fw AwKwt]mepam F.hn.kcn Fbmfmbncpp FXmWv AXnibw. amkndhn hnjbw ssIImcyw sNm sI.sP.bphnv

]WvUnXmatam? FpsImv sI.sP.bp ]WvUnXam hnjbw ]Tnpn. ]TnmsXFn\v amkndhn {]Jym]nm t]mIWw. sI.sP.bp.\ne]mSnv hncpamb A`n{]mbamWv P.F.hn.kcbn auehn {]ISnnnpXv FXpw {intXmWv.

sI.sP.bp {]_w

]ckv]c hncpamb A`n{]mbfmWv P.akqden sNmSv AhXcnn {]_nepXv. {Ik v \yqaq Fm kqcymkvXabtijw N{Ihmfn N{ DmhpI FXmsWpw ImW \n_\bspw Icm Nbn aZo\n hyamnbXmWv. Fm{]_n ]dbpXv lnem Im t\mp XpSm\mWv Fm ]WvUnXamcpw ]dnpsXmWv. Fn v ImWm km[nm IeIsf Ip F IkmynsASnm\n Ign 35 hjw tIcfn amkndhn Xocpam\npp F hkvXpXkuIcy]qw aqSnshbvpIbpw sNpp.

]eLfnembn i_m_n FgpXnb teJ\ Xpntv XmdmnbXmWvsI.sP.bp.{]_w lnPvd Inn CXns\mw adp]Sn FgpXn i_m_nv Ap Xs \InbnpXmWv. AsXmpw apJhnebvsSpmsX ]gIn ]pfn Inshw ]pXnb Nnbn hnfnbncnpIbmWv. JpB 2:189 Bbnse ahmov F hmn\v kab\nWbsamWv Ctmgpw Aw ]dbpXv. N{eI t\mn kabw \nWbnp

coXn Hp ]Tnnp XcWw. ""N{eIsf Ime\nWbnmbn Amlp \nbnncnpp.'' F lZokn taLw aqSnbm 30 ]qnbmWsav ]cn`mjsSppp. Fn vtIcfnse Ign 35 hjs Ncn{Xn taLw aqSnb k`n Hcnsenepw

lnem t\mtXnsv lnem Inn/sIsPbp ]dnptm? temIshnsSsbnepwCu \nbaw \Sneptm? FmWp {]apJ kzlm_nI sNbvXncpXv. N{e 29mwZnhkw ImWmsX hm ASp Znhkw t\msSppIbmWv Ah sNbvXncpXv. kzlm

_v a\nemnbXmtWm apPmlnZv ]WvUnXamcpsS A`n{]mbamtWm icn? NnnpI.P\sf ]camh[n sXncnnpI FXmbncpp P.F.hn.kcn auehnbpsS ZuXyw.bmsXmcq a\mnppanmsX AkXy{]kvXmh\IfndpIbmWv Atlw sNbvXXv.apPmlnZv ]WvUnXamv imkv{Xhnjb kw_nv sXmb [mcWI ]TnnpsIm-Sp-p-Xv Ct-l-am-sWv tXmp-p. alm-Jv, t\maq XpS-nb ]Z-fpw \yaqIgnv Htm ctm Znhkw Igntijw ZriyamIpXmWv lnem F Bibhpw

Ctlns hIbmWv. Cu hmZapJ icnbspw \n Xs {]mIvSokv sNpXvCXnp hncpamsWpw \yqaq kw`hn DSs\ Xs lnem Dmhpsapw ]e XhW]dp sImSpnpw Ctltam Ctls Aambn XJveoZv sNp sI.sP.bp t\XrXztam XfpsS A_ [mcWI Xncpm XmdmImXmWv apPmlnZv {]m\t\cnSp henb {]iv\w. Ctlns {]kwKn ]cmain h A_ ImWpI.

BiqdmAv

C_v\p Amkv(d)tbmSv BiqdmAv t\mv FmWv FSptXv F tNmZynv""\n Ie IXpapX FpI, 9mw Znhkw t\mpImc\mhpI'' FmWv ]dp sImSpXv. CXn\w lnem IZnhkw Hmw XnXnbmsWmWv. Ie IXnptijwFnbm 9mw Znhkw BiqdmAv(apldw 10) Bbncnpw. Fm kcnm auehnbpsS

hn[n ckIcamWv. BiqdmAv FmsW tNmZyn\v XmkqdmAv FmsWv C_v\pAmkv (d) adp]Sn ]dphs{X!! auehnam Imcy XeIpn\nmWv a\nemp

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sXw.

almJpw lnemepw

hopw almJpw sImmWv Ch- hn-cn-p--Xv. almJv Jp-B-\n ]d-n-n-.lnem JpB\nepw kpnepw hnps Hcp I {]mh\ \Snbncnpp.JpB\n HcnSpw lnemens\ kw_nv ]dnn. lZokn am{XamWpXv. Jp

B\n Aln FpWpXv. almJv F ]Zw JpB\nepw kpnepan. almJv \yqaqWmsW ChcpsS {]mh\ P\sf sXncnnm thn am{XapXmWv. Hcp N{amknse Ahkm\ 3 Znhkn\v ]dbp t]cmWv almJv. 28mw XnbnXnbpw 29 mw XnbXnbpw Nne k`fn N{e ImWm km[npXmWv. AsXns\ \yqaqWmhpw.\yqaq ImWm ]psav BcmWp ]dXv. \yqaq FXns \nLphnse Aw]cXpXv hnUvVnamWv. imkv{XkmtXnI ]Zv AhsImptinp kmtXnImw FmtWm AXv am{Xta ]dbm ]mSpq. "inJv'FXns UnjvWdnbnse Aw]pshbv, IqpIqS XpSnbhbmWv. Ckvemanse kmtXnImn IqpIhSw"inm'hptam? N{amknse Ahkm\ Znhkw `qanpw kqcy\panSbn IqSn Hcp t\tcJbn N{ adnISp {]Xn`mknmWv \yqaq, IN, {KlWw Fsmw]dbpXv. CXv Npcpnb an\ppI am{XsaSpp Hcp {]m]nI hyhbmWv. Amlphns \nb {]Imcw \Sp {]] \nbasf \ntj[npIbpw P\sf sXncnnpIbpw sNpXv Amlphns\ Xs \ntj[nembn XocpXns\ hnizmknII`bsSWw. hmZnpthn \yqaq Ad_nbn almJmsWv shbvpI. JpB\nepwlZoknepw almJv Fp ]dnnmXn\m kzoImcyasn ]ns Fns\bmWpi_m_v/kpapemw IedpIfn N{mkvXabw IWpIqn tcJsSpnbnpsXv

sI.sP.bp hniZoIcnWw. \yqaq ]cnKWnmsX Iednse IWv XmdmnXcmsI.sP.bphns\ lnPvd Inn shphnfnpp. \nXnp km[nnsn Amlp(kp.X) {]]kwhn[m\ns `mKambn \nbnXpw lnkm_v(10:5) \Sm A\nhmcy

hpamb \yqaqWns\ \ntj[ncpXv. \yqaqWn\v Ad_nbn almJv F CJvXndm FmWp]dbpI. aZo\n Xs ]pkvXIn Cmcyw kXnppsnepw ]TntX]mSpIbpq.

\yqaq kw`hnp AtX \nanjn lnem P\nppshpw AXn\m Akvt{SmWan \yqaq, {Ik v \yqaq Fns\ ]dbpXn kmwKXyanspw ]ehwhyamnbnpXmWv. djoZv tkew kpapemw Ie ImWnpsImv kwhmZthZnbn Cmcyw hyamnbnpv. F{Xtbm {]mhiyw \yqaq Znhkw \nfpsS almJvZnhkw Xs lnem IXmbn sI.sP.bp lnem Inn Xocpam\apmbnpv. F.hn.kcn Xs ITn\mzm\w sNbvXv. 1426 CuZp ^nXz Xocpam\nncpXv almJv

Znhkambncpp. kcnpw sI.sP.bphn\pw almJv kzoIcnmw lnPvd Innv ]mSnFmtWm hmZw?

DPq\p JZow

hn.JpB\nse BbpIsftmepw XfpsS PmfyX Xom F{XemLh _pntbmsSbmWv Ch ssIImcyw sNpXv Fv \mw XncndntbXpv. bmko 39mw hN\n N{s a\mknepIsf kw_nv ]dtijw Ahkm\s Iesb DPq\pJZow Fp ]cnNbsSpnbncnpp. ZriyamIp Ahkm\s IesbnbmWp JpB ]dbpXv. {]kvXpX Iesb Hcm Im ASp Znhkw "Kp' Fp \_n(k)]Tnn Ie ImWm Znhkhpambncnpw. AtZnhkw amkw Ahkm\npw FXp XobmWv. \n`mKyhim XfpsS C_veoknb hmZs \ymboIcnm JpB Bb

ns\tmepw Ch Xndbm {ianpIbmWv. sI.sP.bp. {]_nse Cu hcnI{inpI. "\yqaqWns\tmse DPq\p JZow Fsmcp am\ZWvUhpw amkamn\v lnPvd

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In-n-m Ctm {]tbmKnp hcp--Xmbn ImWp-p.(-JpB\n N{s hrn-b-sfn ]dtm \Snb Hcp D]asb N{s Hcp Lambn ]cnNbsSppXvFpam{Xw A_amWv)''. N{v Alnbpw a\mknepw \nbnncnpXv AmlphmWv. Ahkm\w ImWp akn DPq\p JZow BsWv JpB\ns Iev]\bmWv.(36:39).ASp Znhkw Xosc ImWm Ignbm "Kpn'bmb akn BWv. A_w sNbvXXv

lnPvd Innb, sI.sP.bp BsWv hmb\m a\nemWw.Iedns {]m[m\yw:

""JpB\n Iednt\m {]m[m\ytmsS hniZoIcn \nch[n hnjbfpv.\akvImcw, t\mv, lv apXembh DZmclWw.'' (sI.sP.bp.{]_w) Ch ]dbpsXsv Ch Adnbpn. Amlpsh Chv \o s]mdpp sImSptWta Fv \apv{]mnmw.

JpB\n Ghpw apnb {]m[m\yw \InbXv Iedn\msWv Bscnepw ]dpthm? GXmbmepw Iedn\p Xosc {]m[m\yansv ]dntm? Bizmkw. kcn aue-hn-bpsS IqsS CSn-ap-gn- kwhm-Z-n ]s-Sp Da ^mdqJv F-bmCkvemanv IednsmWv hnNn\n FgpXnbncnpXv. N{e Itijw amkwXpSpXn\m Ie Dmm Ignbn, AXn\m Ie \apptht{X! JpB hn {]m[m\ytmsS Iev]n \akvImcw, kmv, lv, t\mv XpSnb \n_Iav Ie A\nhmcyamsWv auehnamv a\nembnn. Iednse Hcp bqWnmWv amkw. t\mv A\pjvTnm amkw Xocpam\nWw. kmv hjnembXn\mhjw FmsemsWdnbWw. Hcp amkns bqWnmWv Znhkw Hcp Znhkw 5 t\cw\akvIcnWw. AXn\m Znhkhpw XnbXnbpw \nWbnWw. AXn kabw IWm

Ww. lns Znhk N{eI ASnm\amn \nbnWsav JpB 2.189 t\cn v hyamnbncnpp. lnem ImW am\ZWvUamn \yqaq ]cnKWnmsXbpw Iedpmn sI.sP.bp ]ckysSppI XsthWw.

lp hnZmAv:

\_n(k)bpsS lv(Ad^)GXp Znhknembncpp F Hcp Xw Hcp hjwapv hnNn\w hmcnI sImphncpp. AtXp]nSnpsImv sI.sP.bp {]knU v A_vZplaoZv aZo\nbpw sk{Idn sI.]n.kcnm auehnbpw kwbpambn i_m_n AXmhn

sgpXn. \_n(k)bpsS Ad^ shffnbmgvNbmbncpp FmWv Ah ]dbm {ianXv.sXfnhmbn DcnXv _pJmcnbnse lZokmWv. Abuape AIvaXpeIpw... F BbvshnbmgvNcmhnemWv CdnbXv F ]cmaiw. Fm \_n(k)bpsS Ad^ hymgmgvNbmbncpp FXn\v 10 e[nIw sXfnhpItfmsS R adp]Sn \Inbncpp. R \InbsXfnhpI \ntj[nm IgnbmsX teJ\nse hcnI ZphymJym\w \Inbpw Zpcm

tcm]W Dbnpw Ah \Inb adp]Snv iamb hntbmP\teJ\w \Insbnepw BbXn\v i_mt_m, sI.sP.bpthm Cphsc adp]Sn \Inbnn. BbXnp adp]Sn \ImsX hopw ]gbhmZw DbnpXv ]cmPbt_m[w HpsImpam{XamWv. \_n(k)bpsS Ad^ hymgmgvNbmbncpp FXv kphyamb kXyamWv. JpB 2:189 ]dXp{]Imcw N{eI \ncoWw \SpIbpw 7mw XnbXn cm{Xn 7mw XnbXnbpsSIe Acm{Xnbn AkvXanpXv IpsImv InpXsbmhWw Ah an\mbntev8mw XnbXn t]mbnpmhpI. ImcWw \_n(k)bpsS PohnXw JpB Bbncpsv Bbni(d)]dnpv.

Zn\mcw`w:

Zn\mcw`s kw_nv lnPvd Inn BZyw apX Xs ]dnpXv P apXBcw`npp FmWv. Fm qanbpsS Znhkw AfsSppXv khm(\p)apXImIsWpw AXmWp bqWnthgvk ssSw Fpw ]dm AXv a\nemIm {]iv\am

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WpXv. ss{]adn kvIq hnZymnI ]Tnp hnjbfmWv bp.Sn. {]mtZinI kabw,Amwi tcJ, tcJmwitcJ, ssUv sse, \yqaq, {KlWw XpSnb hnjb.

JpB\pw lZokpw ZphymJym\w sNpXpt]mse imkv{Xw hfsmSnm auehnam {ianpXv tJZIcamWv. Hcp kvIq Aym]Is\ kao]nv Aev]w `qanimkv{XhpwtKmfimkv{Xhpw \mhntKj\pw ]Tnm {ianpI Fp D]tZinm am{Xta IgnbpI

bpq. CXv ]dbptm "CutKm' sImv IenXptXn. Zn\mcw`w kw_nv lnPvdInn Hm v Cy {]knoIcn ]pkvXIw hmbnm\pw \ntinpp.

lnPvd Iedpw PqX Iedpw XmcXayw:

sI.sP.bp.{]knU v A_vZp laoZv aZo\n FgpXnb "\yqaqWpw amkndhnbpw' F]pkvXIns {]Imi\ thZnbn shv aZo\nbpw P:F.hn.kcnm auehnbpw Dbn Btcm]Ww Fw.Fkv.Fkv. kwhmZ\ thZnbnepw Dbnncnpp. lnPvd IePqXIedmWs{X. Xs ssIbn PqX Iedns tImnbpsv aZo\n kmln_v AhImisXns shfnn Hcp lnPvd Inn {]hI Atlns hon sNpImWpIbpmbn. sh_vsskn \npw UutemUv sNbvX PqX Iedns Hcp tImnauehn ImWnpsImSpp. {]kvXpX Iedn 13 amkfpmbncpp. CXv lnPvdm Iedneptm F tNmZyn\v Csv auehn adp]Sn ]dp. PqX Iedn 30, 29, 30, 29Fns\ amk amdn amdn XnbXnI DXpw ImWnp sImSpp. CXpw lnPvd Iednentm Fp ]dtm Cmcyw Rm a\nemnbnnspw Xs aI s\n\npw UutemUv sNbvXv AbpXXmWv {]kvXpX Iesdpw Atlw hniZoIcnp. Fnpw kXyw a\nemmsX, AX a\nemnbnpw adpshntm lnPvd Iedns\ PqX Iesdv ]dv hopw Bt]npIbmWv auehnam. "hno]oUnb' t\mn

bm ImWmsav ]dbp kcn auehn kzambn AXv t\mn ]Tnnnsv thWwIcpXm. bYmn PqX Iednse \nba tbmPnpXv apPmlnZp IedpImWv. Ahbvv BImiv ImWp N{ebpambn bmsXmcp _hpan. JpB ]dbp

Xpw \_n(k)]TnnnpXpw BImiv ImWp N{e XnbXnI ImWnppFmWv. lnPvcn Iednse XnbXnI N{eIfpambn Hpt]mIpp. AXn\m lnPvcnIe JpB\nIamWv, imkv{XobamWv, kXyamWv.

ln cma F ]m{Xnbmokv kwhn[m\nnpXmWv PqXIe. lnemIpsImv Itijw amkw XpSpI FXv lnens \nbaamWv. ln F ]mXncnbn \nmWv lnem F ]Zw XsbpmbXv. lnem Zi\ dntmpI ]cntim[nv amkndhn \nbnm Ahcpw Inn cq]oIcnncpp. lnens \nbaa\pkcnvsshIptcw 6 aWnmWv Znhkw Bcw`npXv. Imemhbpambn tbmPnp t]mIpXn\v aqphjw IqSptm "eo]v amkw'(AXmbXv 13 amkw) tNpp. Zi\ dntmp

I Innbnsn 30 Znhkw ]qnbmn aXIob Iedpw IWpIqm sshIptcw6 aWn \nbnpw PqXIe apPmlnZv IedpItfmSp tbmPnp \npp.

amkndhnbpambn _s {][m\hnjbw N{e IpsImv ImtWXptmAX ]pXpN{s P\\w kw`hnXmb AdnhpI e`nm aXntbm FXmWv. GXp\nepw tIcfn Cv \SphcpXv {]amWhncphpw imkv{Xhncphpw bpnclnXhpamWv. kwibclnXamb ImeKW\mcoXnv apkvenw kaqlw JpB\ntepw kpntepw aSpIbmWp thXv. aphn[nIqSmsX JpB\ntepw kptepw aSpI. Amlp(kp.X)A\p{Klns.

lnPvd Inn Hm v Cy

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