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Appendix A: Issues Raised During Scoping
Scoping Comment Received Interdisciplinary Team Response Theme
Treat hazard trees along haul routes The Forest Service cannot require a timber purchaser to treat hazard
trees besides those that pose an imminent threat to thinning
operations and haul.
Roads
Use temporary and spur roads to make timber harvest
economical
The interdisciplinary team is seeking access management solutions
for efficient harvest of timber while still minimizing the extent of new
disturbance in the project area.
Roads
Do not decommission any roads Currently the Forest Service is unable to fully fund the maintenance
of all existing roads on the Forest. Lack of road maintenance poses
environmental and safety risks. It is important to address these
issues through decommissioning or closure and stabilization, where
appropriate, such as where future management activities are not
expected to occur. The line officer has asked the team to consider
only closure and stabilization, not decommissioning, based on public
and interdisciplinary input. A preliminary list of road to propose for
closure is being derived from a variety of criteria based on known
future management needs, aquatic and terrestrial risk posed by the
road, and feasibility to analyze within the scope of this project.
Roads
Create 1-3 acre openings in stands to stimulate early
seral habitat for wildlife/big game; explore “linear
meadow” and Franklin/Johnson Moist Forest Strategy
The Nisqually Thin project area does not contain suitable conditions
to create early-seral openings, given that the area is predominantly in
the LSR land allocation. In addition, adjacent state and private lands
currently offer ample opportunity for big game forage, as they are
generally in an earlier state of forest regeneration along much of the
FS boundary.
Thinning prescription /
Wildlife
Consider winter logging/ easing timing restrictions to Winter closures and timing restrictions will be required for this project
to limit disturbance to endangered species (northern spotted owl,
Economics / Timing
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Scoping Comment Received Interdisciplinary Team Response Theme
make for a more economical thinning project marbled murrelet) and other wildlife, in addition to preventing damage
to soil and water resources during the wet season, as required by
law. Economics are only one facet of the purpose and need of the
project, and a variety of resource concerns must be considered in
implementation.
restrictions
Use smaller (25-50 ft) no-cut buffers in riparian zones
to increase harvest volume and improve riparian
structure
The thinning prescriptions proposed are consistent with direction
provided in the NWFP and Forest Plan for Late Successional
Reserve and Matrix, are consistent with the National Forest
Management Act, and are based on a synthesis of established
silvicultural science. Timber production for economic benefit is only
one goal of the Nisqually Thin project; ultimately the purpose in LSR
is to help stands develop more quickly into “old growth” stands.
Riparian Buffers /
Economics / Thinning
prescription
Thin more heavily overall than what is in proposed
action
The thinning prescriptions proposed are consistent with direction
provided in the NWFP and Forest Plan for Late Successional
Reserve and Matrix, are consistent with the National Forest
Management Act, and are based on a synthesis of established
silvicultural science. Timber production for economic benefit is only
one goal of the Nisqually Thin project; ultimately the purpose in LSR
is to help stands develop more quickly into “old growth” stands.
Thinning prescription/
Economics
Close roads (but do not decommission) Currently the Forest Service is unable to fully fund the maintenance
of all existing roads on the Forest. Lack of road maintenance poses
environmental and safety risks. It is important to address these
issues through decommissioning or closure and stabilization, where
appropriate, such as where future management activities are not
expected to occur. The line officer has asked the team to consider
only closure and stabilization, not decommissioning, based on public
and interdisciplinary input. A preliminary list of road to propose for
closure is being derived from a variety of criteria based on known
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future management needs, aquatic and terrestrial risk posed by the
road, and feasibility to analyze within the scope of this project.
Look for as many opportunities to decommission roads
as possible
Currently the Forest Service is unable to fully fund the maintenance
of all existing roads on the Forest. Lack of road maintenance poses
environmental and safety risks. It is important to address these
issues through decommissioning or closure and stabilization, where
appropriate, such as where future management activities are not
expected to occur. The line officer has asked the team to consider
only closure and stabilization, not decommissioning, based on public
and interdisciplinary input. A preliminary list of road to propose for
closure is being derived from a variety of criteria based on known
future management needs, aquatic and terrestrial risk posed by the
road, and feasibility to analyze within the scope of this project.
Roads
Supportive of pre-commercial thinning to improve
health and vigor of younger stands
Pre-commercial treatments will be included in the proposed action Thinning prescription
Supportive of variable density prescription, gaps and
skips, in LSR. Supportive of timber-production oriented
prescription in Matrix. Supportive of leaving quality
down wood and snags in all units.
The thinning prescriptions proposed are consistent with direction
provided in the NWFP and Forest Plan for Late Successional
Reserve and Matrix, are consistent with the National Forest
Management Act, and are based on a synthesis of established
silvicultural science. Timber production for economic benefit is only
one goal of the Nisqually Thin project; ultimately the purpose in LSR
is to help stands develop more quickly into “old growth” stands.
Thinning prescription
Consider closure of trails that receive little use in
project area (Cave Creek #225, Big Creek trail #252
from #251 to Rd 8440 and redesignate remaining
portion of #252 as part of #251, Greenwood Lake
#253, Allen Mountain #269)
The team developed a purpose and need that focused around
thinning and restoration treatments to achieve primarily ecological
objectives. Specific resource concerns were not cited in this
comment.
Recreation
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Consider improvements to certain trails (#251 trailhead
on FR 8410, trailhead for Cora Lake on FR 8420).
The IDT and line officer see the value of making recreation
improvements in the area of the Nisqually Thin proposal. However,
we felt that these types of projects are somewhat outside the scope
of the goals of this project and would not be practical to analyze.
Recreation
Evaluate safety , access, and use of High Rock
Lookout
The IDT and line officer see the value of making recreation
improvements in the area of the Nisqually Thin proposal. However,
we felt that these types of projects are somewhat outside the scope
of the goals of this project and would not be practical to analyze.
Recreation/Heritage
Revisit watershed prioritization process and evaluate
all needed watershed restoration work for this project
area
The watershed analysis from 2002 is a key reference tool the team is
using to build a list of potential restoration projects. “All” restoration
work needed in this project area cannot not be surveyed and
analyzed for practical reasons, but the team is seeking a suite of
projects that would balance various resource objectives and
restoration concerns.
Restoration
Close/Stabilize and Decommission more roads Currently the Forest Service is unable to fully fund the maintenance
of all existing roads on the Forest. Lack of road maintenance poses
environmental and safety risks. It is important to address these
issues through decommissioning or closure and stabilization, where
appropriate, such as where future management activities are not
expected to occur. The line officer has asked the team to consider
only closure and stabilization, not decommissioning, based on public
and interdisciplinary input. A preliminary list of roads to propose for
closure is being derived from a variety of criteria based on known
future management /access needs, aquatic and terrestrial risk posed
by the road, and feasibility to analyze within the scope of this project.
Roads
Evaluate selection/creating gaps around potential
marbled murrelet nest trees; fully evaluate impacts to
Marbled murrelet is an important wildlife concern in the Nisqually Thin
area, and effects on the murrelet will be evaluated.
Wildlife/Endangered Species
Act
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murrelet
Thoroughly evaluate thinning effects on Northern
Spotted Owl and Critical Habitat, and potential
interaction with Barred Owl
NSO, critical habitat, and barred owl interactions will all be
considered through this analysis process.
Wildlife/Endangered Species
Act
Use Variable Density Thinning framework for stand
prescriptions in LSR and Matrix; use skips and gaps,
retain down wood and snags, etc.
The thinning prescriptions proposed will be consistent with direction
provided in the NWFP and Forest Plan for Late Successional
Reserve and Matrix, are consistent with the National Forest
Management Act, and are based on a synthesis of established
silvicultural science. Timber production for economic benefit is only
one goal of the Nisqually Thin project; ultimately the purpose in LSR
is to help stands develop more quickly into “old growth” stands.
Thinning prescription
Do not thin in Riparian Reserves unless treatments will
benefit aquatic and riparian resources
The thinning prescriptions proposed are consistent with direction
provided in the NWFP and Forest Plan for Late Successional
Reserve and Matrix, are consistent with the National Forest
Management Act, and are based on a synthesis of established
silvicultural science. Timber production for economic benefit is only
one goal of the Nisqually Thin project; ultimately the purpose in LSR
is to help stands develop more quickly into “old growth” stands.
Aquatic/thinning prescription
Minimize construction of temp roads The interdisciplinary team is seeking access management solutions
for efficient harvest of timber while still minimizing the extent of new
disturbance in the project area.
Roads
Seriously consider climate change in project analysis;
especially re: increased stream temps and earlier peak
flows effect on fish; how to create a more resilient
ecosystem with this project; disclose effects of natural
disturbance versus harvest regarding release of
The analysis will not attempt to quantify carbon emissions or
sequestration. However, the proposal will seek to create resilience in
forest and riparian ecosystems to a variety of climatic conditions and
potential future scenarios.
Climate change
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carbon
Evaluate cumulative effects. Cumulative effects of the proposed action will be evaluated at the
appropriate temporal and spatial scales for the resources analyzed.
NEPA/Cumulative effects
Evaluate an adequate range of alternatives The IDT is discussing the need for additional alternatives. NEPA/Alternatives
Eliminate all harvest within 0.7 miles of historic or
existing Northern Spotted Owl site centers to
ameliorate potential adverse impacts to NSO
NSO, critical habitat, and barred owl interactions will all be
considered through this analysis process. Harvest buffers/restrictions
based on NSO sites will be evaluated and consulted with FWS, and
will rely on the best available science.
ESA/Wildlife
Consider an alternative that eliminates construction of
temporary roads entirely, or at least removes units 1,
29, and 34 from the unit pool due to high percentage of
temp roads within.
The team is investigating ways to minimize new temporary road
construction wherever possible. After discussing this comment, the
team reviewed units 1, 29, and 34 and others to identify possible
ways to reduce the need to use temporary roads to accomplish the
purpose and need.
Roads
Establish a minimum 75-ft buffer between 52 road and
unit boundary to mitigate visual impacts
This suggestion will be included as design criteria to protect visual
quality.
Recreation/Visual
Creation/preservation of snags and down wood should
only be in Purpose and Need if there is certainty that
these activities will occur – since these activities are
dependent on uncertain funding, they should not be
displayed as a positive benefit or mitigation for sale-
related impacts
The planning and NEPA for any project does not ensure its
implementation on the ground, given the vagaries of federal
appropriations and how and which operations on the National Forest
are funded every year. It is reasonable to expect that creation of
snags and down wood will occur as proposed, based on the
expectation that timber harvest in the Nisqually Thin area would be
As of this writing, snags and down wood are not being viewed a
“mitigation” for sale-related impacts, but as a separate component of
the proposed action.
Proposed Action / Effects
analysis
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EA should include consideration and protection of
species and habitat occurrences in nearby area (same
townships), as mapped by Washington Dept of Fish
and Wildlife, particularly for elk forage
The wildlife analysis will include the best data available at the scale
relevant to the species for which we manage. If other agency data is
available and relevant, we will do our best to integrate it into the
analysis.
Wildlife data / analysis
Encourages practices that will maintain habitat and set
forest stands on a trajectory toward contributing to
NSO and marbled murrelet habitat where possible and
appropriate
A majority of the vegetation prescription must be consistent with
developing late-successional characteristics given that much of the
project lies in LSR. Project design criteria for improving wildlife
habitat where possible will be included.
Wildlife
Commercial thinning harms “countless natural
resources… especially aquatic resources” –
(numerous views and citations opposing timber
harvest are attached to this assertion)
The thinning prescriptions proposed will be consistent with direction
provided in the NWFP and Forest Plan for Late Successional
Reserve and Matrix, are consistent with the National Forest
Management Act, and are based on a synthesis of established
silvicultural science. We understand that public perception of timber
harvest is controversial; however, there is a solid scientific foundation
for use of thinning in this region to enhance ecological values and
provide economic benefit.
Thinning (effects)
Roads damage the proper ecological functioning of the
natural resources in a forest (numerous views and
citations opposing forest road construction are
attached to this assertion); temp roads should be
obliterated after use
We acknowledge that roads can cause impacts to natural resources,
and these will be analyzed and disclosed in the EA. Any temporary
roads needed for the proposed action would be closed and stabilized
following use for harvest. The team is also looking at additional roads
to close and stabilize in the project area to reduce risk to natural
resources.
Roads (effects)
Scoping was conducted improperly / Comment period
is required for pre-decisional EAs
Scoping was conducted through a legal notice at the discretion of the
line officer, and was not intended to limit the time frame for providing
scoping input. The EA had not been drafted, and the proposed action
was not refined. The public has the option of providing input up until
the point at which a decision is made, but we requested scoping
NEPA/ Scoping process
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responses be provided within a timeframe that would allow them to
be most helpful to integrate into the analysis.
Law requires that USFS obtain a NPDES permit and
disclose that the permit has been obtained
National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System (NPDES) is a permit
program that helps control water pollution by regulating point sources
that discharge pollutants into waters of the United States. The EPA
has revised 40 CFR 122.26(b)(14), its Phase I storm water
regulations, to clarify that storm water discharges from logging roads
do not constitute storm water discharges associated with industrial
activity and that a NPDES permit is not required for these storm
water discharges.
NPDES/ Water quality
Convert roads to trails (RT) suited for OHV (off-
highway vehicle) use rather than closing or
decommissioning.
Currently the Forest Service is unable to fully fund the maintenance
of all existing roads on the Forest. Lack of road maintenance poses
environmental and safety risks. It is important to address these
issues through decommissioning or closure and stabilization, where
appropriate. The line officer has asked the team to consider only
closure and stabilization, not decommissioning, based on public and
interdisciplinary input. A preliminary list of road to propose for closure
is being derived from a variety of criteria based on known future
management needs, aquatic and terrestrial risk posed by the road,
and feasibility to analyze within the scope of this project. The
purpose and need for this project is focused around thinning and
restoration treatments to achieve primarily ecological objectives.
Addition of new recreation opportunities, such as the suggested
conversion of routes to recreational OHV use, are not connected to
ecological restoration and beyond the scope of this project.
Roads
Allow motorized vehicle access for recreation. Roads
Convert currently closed and/or decommissioned
roads to OH (off-highway vehicle) trail
Roads
Seed timber harvest landings for wildlife This analysis will include provision for seeding of temporary roads,
landings, and other areas of heavy disturbance.
Roads/Wildlife
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Appendix B: No Commercial Harvest Buffers No commercial harvest buffers for stream and wetlands by harvest unit (Note: stream buffers of
“0*” are stream channels that fall within a larger stream buffer of a fish bearing channel).
Harvest Unit Nbr
Harvest Unit Size (ac)
Stream or waterbody
Stream Type
Interim Riparian Reserve width (ft)
No Commercial
Harvest Buffer
Width (ft)
No Commercial
Harvest Buffer in Unit (ac)
Percent Buffer
in Harvest
Unit
Total % of Buffer area in Harvest
Unit
1 125 Big Creek Perennial 360 180 1.2 0.96
125 Wetlands Wetlands 180 60 38.44 30.75 31.71
2 16.9 Big Creek Perennial 360 180 7.3 43.20 43.20
3 17.6 None None 180 0* 0 0.00 0.00
4 108.7 Stream 1 Perennial 120 15.3 14.08
108.7 Stream 1a Perennial 180 30 0.56 0.52
108.7 Stream 1b Intermittent 180 30 0.14 0.13
108.7 Berry Creek
Perennial 360
180 1.2 1.10
108.7 Wetlands Wetlands 180 60 4.4 4.05
108.7 Nisqually
River Perennial
360 180 6.4 5.89 25.76
5 19.9 Stream 1 Intermittent 180 30 0.85 4.27
19.9 Stream 2 Intermittent 180 30 0.14 0.70
19.9 Berry Creek
Perennial 360
180 1.87 9.40 14.37
6 40.3 Stream 1 Intermittent 180 30 1.5 3.72
40.3 Stream 2 Intermittent 180 30 1.28 3.18
40.3 Big Creek Perennial 360 180 3.08 7.64 14.54
7 13.7 Stream 5 Intermittent 180 30 0.02 0.15
13.7 Big Creek Perennial 360 180 5 36.50 36.64
8 4.78 Stream 6 Intermittent 180 30 1.25 26.15
4.78 Stream 7 Intermittent 180 30 0.21 4.39 30.54
9 52.85 Stream 1 Intermittent 180 30 0 0.00
52.85 Mesatchee Intermittent 180 180 4.19 7.93 7.93
10 114.52 Stream 1 Perennial 180 30 1.32 1.15
114.52 Stream 2 Intermittent 180 30 0.4 0.35
114.52 Stream 3 Intermittent 180 30 0.19 0.17
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Harvest Unit Nbr
Harvest Unit Size (ac)
Stream or waterbody
Stream Type
Interim Riparian Reserve width (ft)
No Commercial
Harvest Buffer
Width (ft)
No Commercial
Harvest Buffer in Unit (ac)
Percent Buffer
in Harvest
Unit
Total % of Buffer area in Harvest
Unit
114.52 Stream 4 Intermittent 180 60 0.34 0.30
114.52 Stream 5 Intermittent 180 30 0.14 0.12
114.52 Stream 6 Intermittent 180 60 0.47 0.41
114.52 Stream 7 Perennial 180 60 2.46 2.15
114.52 Stream 7a Perennial 180 30 0.26 0.23
114.52 Stream 7b Intermittent 180 30 0.13 0.11
114.52 Stream 8 Intermittent 180 30 0.31 0.27
114.52 Stream 9 Perennial 180 60 0.83 0.72
114.52 Stream 9a Intermittent 180 60 1.45 1.27
114.52 Stream 9b Intermittent 180 60 0.83 0.72
114.52 Stream 9c Intermittent 180 60 0.33 0.29
114.52 Stream 10 Perennial 180 30 0.15 0.13
114.52 Stream 11 Perennial 180 30 0.16 0.14
114.52 Wetland 1 Perennial 180 60 1.6 1.40 9.93
11 17.35 Stream 1 Intermittent 180 60 0.67 3.86
17.35 Stream 2 Intermittent 180 30 0.7 4.03
17.35 Stream 3 Intermittent 180 30 0.71 4.09
17.35 Mesatchee Perennial 360
180 2.69 15.50
17.35 Wetland 1 Perennial 180 60 0 0.00 27.49
12 113.6 Stream 1 Intermittent 180 30 0.41 0.36
113.6 Stream2 Perennial 180 0* 0 0.00
113.6 Stream 3 Perennial 180 0* 0 0.00
113.6 Stream 4 Perennial 180 0* 0 0.00
113.6 Stream 5 Intermittent 180 30 0.38 0.33
113.6 Stream 6 Perennial 180 0* 0 0.00
113.6 Stream 7 Intermittent 180 30 0.31 0.27
113.6 Stream 8 Perennial 180 0* 0 0.00
113.6 Stream 9 Intermittent 180 0* 0 0.00
113.6 Stream 10 Intermittent 180 30 0.35 0.31
113.6 Stream
10a Intermittent 180 30 0.16 0.14
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Harvest Unit Nbr
Harvest Unit Size (ac)
Stream or waterbody
Stream Type
Interim Riparian Reserve width (ft)
No Commercial
Harvest Buffer
Width (ft)
No Commercial
Harvest Buffer in Unit (ac)
Percent Buffer
in Harvest
Unit
Total % of Buffer area in Harvest
Unit
113.6 Stream 11 Intermittent 180 0* 0 0.00
113.6 Stream 12 Intermittent 180 30 0.33 0.29
113.6 Stream 13 Intermittent 180 30 0.27 0.24
113.6 Stream 14 Intermittent 180 0* 0 0.00
113.6 Mesatchee Perennial 360
180 24.73 21.77
113.6 Wetland 1 Perennial 180 60 0 0.00 23.71
13 151.3 Stream 1 Intermittent 180 30 1 0.66
151.3 Stream 1a Intermittent 180 60 0.44 0.29
151.3 Stream 2 Intermittent 180 60 2.37 1.57
151.3 Stream 3 Intermittent 180 30 2.14 1.41
151.3 Stream 4 Intermittent 180 30 0.86 0.57
151.3 Stream 4a Intermittent 180 30 0.25 0.17
151.3 Stream 6 Intermittent 180 30 1.01 0.67
151.3 Stream 6a Intermittent 180 30 0.52 0.34
151.3 Stream 8 Intermittent 180 30 0.58 0.38
151.3 Stream 10 Intermittent 180 30 0.51 0.34 6.40
14 316.03 Stream 1 Intermittent 180 60 13.51 4.27
316.03 Stream 1a Intermittent 180 30 0.47 0.15
316.03 Stream 1b Intermittent 180 60 4.79 1.52
316.03 Stream 1c Intermittent 180 60 0.16 0.05
316.03 Stream 1d Intermittent 180 30 0.4 0.13
316.03 Stream 2 Intermittent 180 60 2.92 0.92
316.03 Stream 3 Intermittent 180 120 28.55 9.03
316.03 Stream 3a Intermittent 180 60 2.68 0.85
316.03 Stream 3b Intermittent 180 60 0.25 0.08
316.03 Stream 3c Intermittent 180 60 3.12 0.99
316.03 Stream
3c1 Intermittent 180 30 0.29 0.09
316.03 Stream
3c2 Intermittent 180 30 0.31 0.10
316.03 Stream 3d Intermittent 180 60 0.69 0.22
316.03 Stream 3e Intermittent 180 60 0.62 0.20
316.03 Stream 4 Intermittent 180 60 1.38 0.44
316.03 Stream 4a Intermittent 180 30 0.58 0.18
316.03 Stream 5 Intermittent 180 60 0.58 0.18
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Harvest Unit Nbr
Harvest Unit Size (ac)
Stream or waterbody
Stream Type
Interim Riparian Reserve width (ft)
No Commercial
Harvest Buffer
Width (ft)
No Commercial
Harvest Buffer in Unit (ac)
Percent Buffer
in Harvest
Unit
Total % of Buffer area in Harvest
Unit
316.03 Stream 6 Intermittent 180 60 0.12 0.04
316.03 Wetland 1 Perennial 180 60 5.7 1.80
316.03 Wetland 2 Perennial 180 60 2.25 0.71
316.03 Wetland 3 Perennial 180 60 0.58 0.18
316.03 Big Creek Perennial 360 180 14.8 4.68 26.82
15 36.87 Stream 1 Intermittent 180 60 3.96 10.74
36.87 Stream 1a Intermittent 180 60 0.32 0.87
36.87 Stream 1b Intermittent 180 60 0.53 1.44
36.87 Stream 2 Intermittent 180 30 0.62 1.68
36.87 Stream 3 Intermittent 180 30 0.56 1.52 16.25
16 100.43 Stream 1a Perennial 180 30 1.43 1.42
100.43 Stream
1a1 Perennial 180 60 2.12 2.11
100.43 Stream
1a2 Perennial 180 60 1.18 1.17
100.43 Stream
1a3 Intermittent 180 30 0.11 0.11
100.43 Stream 1a1a
Intermittent 180 30 0.07 0.07
100.43 Stream 1b Intermittent 180 30 0.19 0.19
100.43 Stream 1c Intermittent 180 0* 0 0.00
100.43 Stream 2 Intermittent 180 30 0.26 0.26
100.43 Stream 3 Intermittent 180 60 0.97 0.97
100.43 Stream 4 Intermittent 180 30 0.02 0.02
100.43 Big Creek Perennial 360 180 6.25 6.22
100.43 Wetland 1 Perennial 180 60 3.63 3.61 16.16
17 80.01 Stream 1 Intermittent 180 30 1.09 1.36
80.01 Stream 2 Intermittent 180 60 0.63 0.79
80.01 Stream 3 Intermittent 180 30 0.5 0.62
80.01 Stream 4 Intermittent 180 60 1.77 2.21
80.01 Stream 5 Intermittent 180 60 8.4 10.50
80.01 Berry Creek
Intermittent 180 180 1.74 2.17 17.66
18 15.48 None - 180 - 0 0.00 0.00
19 59.79 Stream 3 Perennial 180 60 5 8.36
59.79 Stream 3a Intermittent 180 30 0.74 1.24
59.79 Stream
3a1 Intermittent 180 30 0.24 0.40
59.79 Stream 4 Perennial 180 30 0.46 0.77
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Harvest Unit Nbr
Harvest Unit Size (ac)
Stream or waterbody
Stream Type
Interim Riparian Reserve width (ft)
No Commercial
Harvest Buffer
Width (ft)
No Commercial
Harvest Buffer in Unit (ac)
Percent Buffer
in Harvest
Unit
Total % of Buffer area in Harvest
Unit
59.79 Stream 5 Perennial 180 60 4.13 6.91 17.68
20 56.57 Stream 1 Intermittent 180 60 0.62 1.10
56.57 Stream 2 Intermittent 180 30 0.32 0.57
56.57 Berry Creek
Perennial 360
180 0.78 1.38 3.04
21 256.77 Stream 1 Intermittent 180 60 1 0.39
256.77 Stream 2 Intermittent 180 60 2.66 1.04
256.77 Stream 3 Intermittent 180 30 0.49 0.19
256.77 Stream 4 Intermittent 180 30 0.26 0.10
256.77 Stream 5 Perennial 180 60 4.4 1.71
256.77 Stream 5a Intermittent 180 30 0.28 0.11
256.77 Stream 5b Intermittent 180 30 0.05 0.02
256.77 Stream 5c Intermittent 180 30 0.18 0.07
256.77 Stream 5d Perennial 180 60 2.3 0.90
256.77 Stream 6 Intermittent 180 60 3.2 1.25
256.77 Stream 6a Intermittent 180 60 1.76 0.69
256.77 Stream
6a1 Intermittent 180 30 0.11 0.04
256.77 Stream
6a2 Intermittent 180 30 0.03 0.01
256.77 Stream 7 Perennial 180 60 4.88 1.90
256.77 Stream 7a Intermittent 180 60 0.54 0.21
256.77 Stream 7b Perennial 180 30 1.36 0.53
256.77 Stream
7b1 Intermittent 180 30 0.24 0.09
256.77 Stream
7b2 Intermittent 180 60 1.43 0.56
256.77 Stream 8 Intermittent 180 30 0.86 0.33
256.77 Stream 9 Intermittent 180 30 0.64 0.25
256.77 Stream 9a Intermittent 180 60 2.54 0.99
256.77 Stream 10 Intermittent 180 60 5.56 2.17
256.77 Stream
10a Intermittent 180 30 0.13 0.05
256.77 Stream
10b Intermittent 180 60 1.04 0.41
256.77 Stream 11 Intermittent 180 30 1.13 0.44
256.77 Stream
11a Intermittent 180 30 0.56 0.22
256.77 Stream 12 Intermittent 180 30 0.99 0.39
256.77 Stream
12a Intermittent 180 30 0.59 0.23
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Harvest Unit Nbr
Harvest Unit Size (ac)
Stream or waterbody
Stream Type
Interim Riparian Reserve width (ft)
No Commercial
Harvest Buffer
Width (ft)
No Commercial
Harvest Buffer in Unit (ac)
Percent Buffer
in Harvest
Unit
Total % of Buffer area in Harvest
Unit
256.77 Stream 13 Intermittent 180 60 3.98 1.55
256.77 Berry Creek
Perennial 360
180 2.53 0.99
256.77 Wetland 1 Perennial 180 60 3.51 1.37
256.77 Wetland 2 Perennial 180 60 0.73 0.28 19.46
22 53.89 Stream 1 Perennial 180 60 4.33 8.03
53.89 Stream 1a Intermittent 180 60 0.1 0.19
53.89 Stream 1b Intermittent 180 30 0.36 0.67
53.89 Stream 2 Intermittent 180 30 0.07 0.13
53.89 Stream 3 Intermittent 180 30 1.05 1.95 10.97
23 47.21 Stream 1 Intermittent 180 30 0.72 1.53
47.21 Stream 1a Perennial 180 30 1.32 2.80 4.32
24 35.94 Stream 1 Intermittent 180 30 0.71 1.98
35.94 Stream 2 Intermittent 180 60 0.46 1.28
35.94 Stream 3 Perennial 180 60 4.85 13.49
35.94 Stream 3a Intermittent 180 30 0.36 1.00
35.94 Stream 3b Perennial 180 60 0.85 2.37
35.94 Stream 4 Perennial 180 30 0.32 0.89 21.01
25 13.73 Stream 1 Intermittent 180 30 0.11 0.80 0.8
26 41.56 Stream 1 Intermittent 180 60 2.06 4.96
41.56 Stream 2 Perennial 180 60 1.88 4.52
41.56 Rocky Creek
Perennial 180 120 0.13 0.31 9.79
27 35.18 Stream 1 Perennial 180 30 1.36 3.87
35.18 Stream 1a Perennial 180 60 0.22 0.63
35.18 Wetlands Wetlands 180 60 1.22 3.47
35.18 Berry Creek
Perennial 360
180 0.1 0.28 8.24
28 95.13 Stream 1 Intermittent 180 30 0.08 0.08
95.13 Stream 2 Intermittent 180 60 0.71 0.75
95.13 Stream 3 Intermittent 180 60 5.66 5.95
95.13 Stream 3a Intermittent 180 60 0.18 0.19
95.13 Stream 3b Intermittent 180 30 0.86 0.90
95.13 Stream 3c Intermittent 180 60 0.82 0.86
95.13 Stream 3d Intermittent 180 60 1.87 1.97
95.13 Stream 4 Intermittent 180 60 4 4.20
95.13 Stream 4a Intermittent 180 60 0.07 0.07
95.13 Stream 5 Intermittent 180 60 3.18 3.34
95.13 Stream 5a Intermittent 180 60 0.38 0.40
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Harvest Unit Nbr
Harvest Unit Size (ac)
Stream or waterbody
Stream Type
Interim Riparian Reserve width (ft)
No Commercial
Harvest Buffer
Width (ft)
No Commercial
Harvest Buffer in Unit (ac)
Percent Buffer
in Harvest
Unit
Total % of Buffer area in Harvest
Unit
95.13 Berry Creek
Perennial 360
180 7.88 8.28
95.13 Wetland 1 Perennial 180 60 1.08 1.14
95.13 Wetland 2 Perennial 180 60 0.6 0.63 28.77
29 446.27 Stream 10 Perennial 180 60 3.58 0.80
446.27 Stream
10a Perennial 180 60 0.35 0.08
446.27 Stream
Complexes
Intermittent and
Perennial 180 30/60 152 34.06
446.27 Wetlands Wetlands 180 60 1.2 0.27 34.41
30 92.13 Stream 10 Perennial 180 60 1.14 1.24
92.13 Stream 13 Intermittent 180 30 2.85 3.09
92.13 Stream
13a Intermittent 180 30 1.63 1.77
92.13 Stream
13b Intermittent 180 30 0.25 0.27
92.13 Stream 14 Intermittent 180 60 0.29 0.31
92.13 Stream
14a Intermittent 180 60 0.98 1.06
92.13 Stream 15 Intermittent 180 30 0.13 0.14
92.13 Wetlands Wetlands 180 60 12.3 13.35 20.00
31 80.97 Stream 1 Perennial 180 30 1.22 1.51
80.97 Stream 1a Perennial 180 30 1.7 2.10
80.97 Stream
1a1 Intermittent 180 60 1.58 1.95 5.56
32 118.79 Stream 1 Intermittent 180 60 1.21 1.02
118.79 Stream 2 Intermittent 180 60 0.72 0.61
118.79 Stream 3 Intermittent 180 30 1.93 1.62
118.79 Stream 3a Intermittent 180 30 0.19 0.16
118.79 Stream 4 Intermittent 180 60 0.94 0.79
118.79 Stream 5 Intermittent 180 60 1.1 0.93
118.79 South Fork Catt Creek
Perennial 360
180 14.13 11.89 17.02
33 69.79 Stream 2 Perennial 180 60 1.6 2.29
69.79 Stream 3 Intermittent 180 30 1 1.43
69.79 Stream 3a Intermittent 180 60 0.43 0.62
69.79 South Fork Catt Creek
Perennial 360
180 21.55 30.88
69.79 Catt Creek Perennial 360 180 3.63 5.20
69.79 Wetland 6 Perennial 180 60 0.48 0.69 41.11
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Harvest Unit Nbr
Harvest Unit Size (ac)
Stream or waterbody
Stream Type
Interim Riparian Reserve width (ft)
No Commercial
Harvest Buffer
Width (ft)
No Commercial
Harvest Buffer in Unit (ac)
Percent Buffer
in Harvest
Unit
Total % of Buffer area in Harvest
Unit
34 106.43 Stream 1 Intermittent 180 60 2.56 2.41
106.43 Stream 2 Intermittent 180 60 3.66 3.44
106.43 Stream 8 Intermittent 180 60 4.65 4.37
106.43 Stream 8a Intermittent 180 30 0 0.00 10.21
35 52.27 Stream 1 Intermittent 180 60 0 0.00
52.27 Stream 3 Intermittent 180 30 0 0.00
52.27 Stream 4 Intermittent 180 60 5.27 10.08
52.27 Stream 4a Intermittent 180 30 0.14 0.27
52.27 Stream 4b Intermittent 180 60 1.09 2.09
52.27 Stream 4c Intermittent 180 60 0.84 1.61
52.27 Stream 4d Intermittent 180 60 0.38 0.73
52.27 Stream 5 Intermittent 180 30 0 0.00
52.27 Catt Creek Perennial 360 180 22.6 43.24 58.01
36 56.87 Stream 1 Intermittent 180 30 1.07 1.88
56.87 Stream 1a Intermittent 180 30 0.13 0.23
56.87 Stream 1b Intermittent 180 30 0.63 1.11
56.87 Stream 1c Intermittent 180 60 1.06 1.86
56.87 Stream 2 Intermittent 180 60 2.56 4.50
56.87 Stream 2a Intermittent 180 30 0.96 1.69
56.87 Stream 3 Intermittent 180 30 0 0.00
56.87 Stream 4 Intermittent 180 60 0.09 0.16
56.87 Stream 4a Intermittent 180 30 0.14 0.25
56.87 Stream 4b Intermittent 180 60 0.33 0.58
56.87 Stream 4c Intermittent 180 30 0.13 0.23
56.87 Catt Creek Perennial 360 180 0.77 1.35 13.84
37 30.79 Stream2 Intermittent 180 30 0 0.00
30.79 Stream 3 Intermittent 180 60 0.22 0.71
30.79 Stream 4 Intermittent 180 30 0.15 0.49
30.79 Stream 4c Intermittent 180 30 0.05 0.16
30.79 Stream 4d Intermittent 180 60 0 0.00
30.79 Stream 5 Intermittent 180 30 0 0.00
30.79 Stream 6 Intermittent 180 60 0.26 0.84
30.79 Stream 7 Intermittent 180 60 0.4 1.30
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Harvest Unit Nbr
Harvest Unit Size (ac)
Stream or waterbody
Stream Type
Interim Riparian Reserve width (ft)
No Commercial
Harvest Buffer
Width (ft)
No Commercial
Harvest Buffer in Unit (ac)
Percent Buffer
in Harvest
Unit
Total % of Buffer area in Harvest
Unit
30.79 Stream 8 Intermittent 180 60 0.35 1.14
30.79 Catt Creek Perennial 360 180 21.37 69.41
30.79 Wetland 4 Perennial 180 60 0.07 0.23
30.79 Wetland 5 Perennial 180 60 0.26 0.84
30.79 Wetland 6 Perennial 180 60 0.59 1.92 77.04
38 109.07 Stream 1 Intermittent 180 60 5.47 5.02
109.07 Stream 1a Intermittent 180 30 0.55 0.50
109.07 Stream 3 Intermittent 180 30 1.66 1.52
109.07 Catt Creek Perennial 360 180 5.9 5.41
109.07 South Fork Catt Creek
Perennial 360
180 3.38 3.10 15.55
39 82.78 Stream 1 Intermittent 180 60 0.54 0.65
82.78 Stream 5 Perennial 180 60 3.09 3.73
82.78 Stream 5a Intermittent 180 30 0.26 0.31
82.78 Stream
5a1 Intermittent 180 60 1.5 1.81
82.78 Stream
5a2 Intermittent 180 60 0.8 0.97
82.78 Stream
5a3 Intermittent 180 60 0.5 0.60
82.78 Stream 5b Intermittent 180 30 0.59 0.71
82.78 Stream 7 Intermittent 180 30 0.65 0.79
82.78 Stream 8 Intermittent 180 30 0.74 0.89
82.78 Stream 8a Intermittent 180 30 0.17 0.21
82.78 Stream 9 Intermittent 180 60 1.24 1.50
82.78 Catt Creek Perennial 360 180 11.19 13.52 25.69
40 70.75 Stream 2 Intermittent 180 60 0.83 1.17
70.75 Stream 3 Intermittent 180 60 0.84 1.19
70.75 Stream 4 Intermittent 180 60 3.6 5.09
70.75 Stream 4a Intermittent 180 30 0.11 0.16
70.75 Stream 5 Perennial 180 60 1.55 2.19
70.75 Stream 5a Intermittent 180 60 4.93 6.97
70.75 Stream
5a4 Intermittent 180 30 0.16 0.23
70.75 Stream
5a5 Intermittent 180 30 0.08 0.11
70.75 Stream
5a6 Intermittent 180 30 0.22 0.31
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Harvest Unit Nbr
Harvest Unit Size (ac)
Stream or waterbody
Stream Type
Interim Riparian Reserve width (ft)
No Commercial
Harvest Buffer
Width (ft)
No Commercial
Harvest Buffer in Unit (ac)
Percent Buffer
in Harvest
Unit
Total % of Buffer area in Harvest
Unit
70.75 Stream
5a7 Intermittent 180 30 0 0.00
70.75 Stream 5b Intermittent 180 30 0.94 1.33
70.75 Stream 6 Intermittent 180 30 0.77 1.09 19.83
41 53.92 Stream 1 Intermittent 180 60 3.01 5.58
53.92 Catt Creek Perennial 360 180 8.01 14.86 20.44
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Appendix C: Interdisciplinary Team Members
Name Specialty
Aldo Aguilar Soil Resources
Kevin Flores Heritage and Cultural Resources
Steve Hansen Logging systems
Jennifer Harris Fire and Fuels
John Jakubowski Wildlife Biology
Mike McConnell Hydrology
Sarah Rockey Roads and Engineering
Kevin Senderak Silviculture and IDT leader
Linda Swartz Botany and Invasive Species
Erica Taecker NEPA
Jack Thorne Recreation
Ken Wieman Fish Biology
Additional participation and review by:
Adam Dailey – Engineering
Carol Chandler –Wildlife
Jessica Hudec – Fire Ecology
Dave Olson – Natural Resources
Jamie Tolfree – Pinchot Partners
Joe Gates – Silviculture
John Squires – Pinchot Partners
Marie Tompkins – Wildlife
Paul Smale – Hydrology/Aquatics
Ruth Tracy – Water Resources
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Appendix D: Response to Comments Received on the Draft EA
Number Theme Comment Response
Dick Artley
1-1 Omission IDT members are not listed in draft EA. Team list was inadvertently omitted, but added to EA and
posted online immediately upon receipt of comment.
1-2 Effects
analysis
The biologists, ecologist and soils scientist… use the
following unsubstantiated terms in Chapter 3 to minimize or
eliminate the near-certain damage that timber sale
implementation will inflict on their resource: Short-term, Not
measurable, Temporary, and
Minor… they must have data to support their claims that
the impacts are trivial
Given the experience and professional background of the
scientists on the team, we believe the analysis of effects
disclosed in the EA was based upon appropriate scientific
literature, valid data, and professional judgment.
The EA discloses the measurable effects to resources
from pages 35 through 179, including data and
summaries from which effects determinations were drawn.
Resources in which data or surveys are lacking were
disclosed in the EA, and the potential effects were
estimated based on peer-reviewed science and
representative data sets.
1-3 Effects
analysis
Please assure that the biologists, archaeologist, recreation
specialist, ecologist and soils scientist rewrite their effects
analysis in Chapter 3 of the final EA so the effects are
honest and accurate. Please ask them to describe the
effects to their resource rather than the length and
magnitude of the impact. Indeed, impacts that are short-
term can inflict major, long-term adverse effects.
1-4 Public
involvement
The Responsible Official has loaded her collaborative
group with people who support public land development at
a much higher ration than the public at large support forest
The opportunity to provide input during scoping and
comment periods was offered to the general public via
mail, email, and website, not exclusively to the
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development…
Request for final NEPA document modifications :
1) Please include the names of the group members and
who they represent.
2) Please explain to the public why a USFS hand picked
collaborative group was needed when the public scoping
comments as required by NEPA serve the same purpose
as Supervisor Clayton says she relied on the collaborative
group to provide.
3) Please explain to the public why the collaborative group
members were not chosen at random and explain why
people chosen randomly would not represent the public
better than the collaborative group members chosen by the
USFS.
collaborative group. The proposed action was developed
from scoping feedback received, in writing, from a variety
of sources and interests, including citizens and entities
based outside the local area. The public meeting held
during scoping was open to the general public, as were
field trips to the project area. Collaborative group
concerns were not given more weight than those
expressed by any other member of the public who chose
to provide input.
1-5 Best Science The Attachments contain the statement by over 600 well
respected Ph.D. scientists who describe the damage to the
forest ecosystem caused by logging and road construction
activities. Why do you reject best science and instead act
on the advice of 4 to 5 of your timber employees who will
benefit financially if the Nisqually Thin timber sale is offered
and sold?
Request for final NEPA document modifications:
Please review this project in light of the best science
attached to the objector’s comments and acknowledge the
The collection of quotes provided by the commenter is not
referenced to any particular finding or statement within
this document. This makes it impossible to determine the
intent and context of each quote as it relates to our
detailed analysis. Given the experience and professional
background of the scientists on the analysis team, we
believe the specific references to scientific, professional
and other literature found throughout this document
demonstrate an appropriate and unbiased analysis.
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science conclusions of 421 independent, unbiased
scientists regarding the impacts of timber sale activities.
The attachments deal with one issue. The scientists
quoted in each attachment provided their viewpoints on the
issue. When acknowledging the science conclusions
please organize them by issue (i.e. timber, roads,
insects/disease & fire etc.).
1-6 Public
comments
Please assure that the Responsible Official’s responses to
public comments are posted online as well as hardcopy in
the Project File.
Comments and responses will be added to the EA as an
appendix and posted online, in addition to kept in a
hardcopy project file.
1-7 Alternatives /
Roads
The pre-decisional EA does not analyze an alternative in
detail that does not construct any new roads (temp or
system)… Please analyze an alternative in detail that does
not construct any new roads (temp or system). The no
new roads alternative stands out among the infinite number
of alternatives because it reduces the adverse
environmental effects of the proposed action while still
meeting the purpose and need for the project even though
slightly less output would be generated.
Section 102 [42 USC § 4332] (2) of the National
Environmental Policy Act states “all agencies of the
Federal Government shall—…(E) study, develop, and
describe appropriate alternatives to recommended
courses of action in any proposal which involves
unresolved conflicts concerning alternative uses of
competing available resources.” (bold italics added for
emphasis).
Issues brought up during public and internal scoping and
review, including a proposed alternative to eliminate any
construction or reconstruction of non-system roads, were
resolved through revising the silvicultural prescriptions
and project design criteria, or through dropping units or
portions of units, resulting in the one proposed action
alternative rather than multiple alternatives to meet the
purpose and need of this project. Any roads constructed
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or reconstructed for the project will be returned to a closed
and stable condition following timber harvest.
1-8 Aquatics /
Streams
There were not an adequate number of stream surveys to
predict whether the streams were subject to major adverse
effects when they are monitored after the sale is
completed. Before and after data is essential.
Request for final NEPA document modifications:
Before activities start, please conduct stream surveys for
all perennial streams in the project area which will include
measured values for 1) stream temperature, 2) turbidity,
and 3) stream flow.
Given the experience and professional background of the
scientists on the team, we believe the analysis is not
biased and uses appropriate scientific literature and
professional judgment. A channel inventory and stability
assessment was conducted on all channels within unit
boundaries based on field review. Detailed notes are
available in the project record. Data was also used from
the official Forest fish distribution map which combines
WDFW and USFS fish presence data including migration
barrier details.
1-9 Economics Most American recreationists will avoid areas that have
been logged. U.S. Undersecretary of Agriculture Jim
Lyons states that recreation revenues from national forests
significantly exceed timber revenues (sources cited in
attachments).
There are more businesses in communities near the
Gifford Pinchot National Forest that depend on recreation
revenues than there are businesses that depend on timber
revenues.
Please omit the Purpose & Need statement that tells the
public this project is needed to “create a sustainable supply
of timber and other forest products that will help maintain
The Gifford Pinchot National Forest provides many
recreation opportunities. Please visit
http://www.fs.usda.gov/recmain/giffordpinchot/recreation
for more information.
Logging and employment in other timber related jobs are
10-12% of the local economy (Census Bureau, 2011),
considerably greater than the importance of this sector on
employment nationally (Figure 19). While travel and
tourism related employment accounts for around 15% of
local employment, this is similar to the national average,
and is likely due primarily to the presence of Mt. Rainier
National Park in Lewis County. The timber industry
provides stability to the local workforce as a source of jobs
that typically pay more than the service industry jobs
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the stability of local and regional economies.” associated with tourism.
1-10 NEPA/
Alternatives
and
Proposed
Action
The range of alternatives in the pre-decisional EA is
inadequate and is clearly intended to make it easier for the
Responsible Official to select the Proposed Action that was
chosen as the alternative selected for implementation
before the NEPA process started. Please analyze in detail
and display the effects in Chapter 3 of another action
alternative to the Proposed Action that would really restore
the Riparian Reserves in the Catt Creek, Mesatchee
Creek, Big Creek,and Berry Creek drainages. This
alternative will meet the objectives of a legally written P&N
that’s not written to exclude reasonable alternatives to the
Proposed Action.
Section 102 [42 USC § 4332] (2) of the National
Environmental Policy Act states “all agencies of the
Federal Government shall—…(E) study, develop, and
describe appropriate alternatives to recommended
courses of action in any proposal which involves
unresolved conflicts concerning alternative uses of
competing available resources.” (bold italics added for
emphasis).
Issues brought up during public and internal scoping and
review were resolved through revising the silvicultural
prescriptions and project design criteria, or through
dropping units or portions of units, resulting in the one
proposed action alternative rather than multiple
alternatives to meet the purpose and need of this project.
The project addresses restoration priorities to restore
channel conditions to the extent possible given planning
and implementation constraints. The restoration projects
were vetted in public scoping and subject to the IDT
process
1-11 Economics Please include an economic analysis showing of Nisqually
thin is a below-cost timber sale. This will include ALL
USFS costs including Clayton’s salary when she worked
on the project.
Between 2003 and 2012, there were 36 commercial thin
timber sales across the Forest that were not part of
stewardship projects, of which half were allocated to
companies that are registered with the Small Business
Administration. None of the sales were sold below-cost.
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Over half of the sales had 2-6 bidders and were sold for
up to 3.5 times the advertised value.
It is true that thinning trees does not provide the greatest
dollar return that could be received. It is a land
management tool to improve forest health and provide
wildlife habitat. However, this project is expected to be
harvested through several timber sales, over several
years. The purchasers will have the opportunity to
determine when the best time to bring the logs to market
would occur.
1-12 Invasives Herbicides Containing Glyphosate must Never be used on
Public Land for Any Reason. The Nisqually Thin sale area
is no exception. The pre-decisional EA at pages 24-24
discuss measures to deal with Invasive Weed
Management. This section mentions “treatment” of
infested sites several times but hides the treatment
methods from the public…
Request for final NEPA document modifications:
Please either:
1) treat non-native plants with alternatives to glyphosate-
containing herbicides, or
2) if these types of herbicides must be applied, analyze the
effect in Chapter 3 because scientific research indicates
Management direction regarding treatment of invasive
weeds for the Nisqually Thin project comes from the R6
Final Environmental Impact Statement for the Invasive
Plant Program, Preventing and Managing Invasive Plants
(2005) and Gifford Pinchot National Forest and Columbia
river Gorge National scenic Area (Washington portion):
Site Specific Invasive Plant Treatment Project and Forest
Plan Amendment #20 (2008). Changing Forest protocols
for addressing invasive plants is not within the scope of
this project; however, Mitigation Measures related to
noxious weeds prevention and treatment (Table 4) were
clarified to emphasize that only approved chemicals at
application rates specified in above-mentioned direction
may be used.
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there might be a link between glyphosate-containing
herbicides and CCD [Colony Collapse Disorder]. As you
know environmental effects must be analyzed and divulged
in Chapter 3 if there might be an effect.
1-13 NEPA/
Amenity
values
Simply stating that amenity resource values have been
considered in the NEPA document is not enough. The
Responsible Official must “identify the methods and
procedures used to assure appropriate consideration.”
Request for final NEPA document modifications:
Please identify and discuss the methods and procedures
used by the Responsible Official to insure that presently
unquantified environmental amenities and values are given
appropriate consideration.
There were multiple methods and procedures followed for
identifying environmental amenities and values, as
presented in the Nisqually Thin EA. These included
deriving the project need from the Gifford Pinchot National
Forest Land and Resource Management Plan, Nisqually
Watershed Analysis, landscape-scale assessments, best
available science, and local resource data collected.
These sources also provided information about an array
of difficult-to-quantify environmental amenities and values,
such as recreation, visual quality, and climate change.
In addition, the Forest Service invited collaboration and
public comments, surfacing other values within the
Nisqually Thin project area. Input from the collaborative
group and public was considered during development of
the proposed action and alternatives and will be
considered in the decision.
1-14 Wildlife The pre-decisional EA does not discuss how the timber
sale’s harvest and slash/RX burning activities will affect
protected bird species or if there will be potential adverse
effects how they will be eliminated.
Request for final NEPA document modifications:
The EA (pp. 119-121) discloses the potential effects of the
Nisqually Thin project on migratory birds, with a list of 20
focal bird species known to occur in the Pacific Biome
Region. The focal species represent the habitat
requirements of any other migratory birds that are
assumed to exist in or near the project area where habitat
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Please identify the birds that exist in and near the project
area that are protected under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act
and discuss how these birds will be protected during
burning and timber harvest operations.
exists. The effects are disclosed as neutral in the short
term for species associated with early and late seral
structure forests because the treatment units are in mid-
seral structure stands with high canopy closure. Species
associated with the mid-seral structure will likely have
short term detrimental effects to habitat.
In the long term, species associated with late-
successional structure stands will benefit as the beneficial
effects to stand growth are realized in the next 50 to 100
years.
The early and late season nesting restriction that applies
to the majority of the treatment units will minimize
disturbance to nesting migratory birds in the project area.
Burning occurs in late summer and early fall, after the
nesting season, so burning will not impact nesting
migratory birds.
1-15 Temporary
Roads
Since temporary roads are outsloped with no ditch,
sediment that is generated during precipitation events, find
its way to streams and harms the aquatic resources for
decades until the next timber sale reconstructs the so-
called “temporary” road. Then the riparian resource cycle
of destruction begins again. The final EA should clearly
state these roads will be obliterated after use such that the
sideslopes are as they were before construction. The
CMPs will be removed and a running surface does not
Any temporary roads constructed or reconstructed for the
project will be returned to a more natural state following
timber harvest, as asserted in the Proposed Action (EA
p.11). Refer to Project Design Criteria 5.14 (and others) in
the Nisqually Thin EA.
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exist.
Request for final NEPA document modifications:
Please obliterate temporary roads to reduce sediment
generation rather than decommissioning them.
1-16 Timber Any national or regional poll or survey indicates the vast
majority of the public doesn’t want their public land
harvested for any reason. In the final EA EIS please tell
the public why this sale is an exception.
Request for final NEPA document modifications that
appeared in the objector’s comments: Please include a
discussion and supporting data in the final EA showing
either:
1) the majority of the general public approves of logging
their national forests, or
2) majority of the general public does not approve of
logging their national forests.
The issue of general public support of logging national
forest is outside the scope of this particular project, and
subject to a broad spectrum of beliefs and attitudes. The
purpose and need stated in the EA clearly provides the
legal framework and agency guidance under which the
proposed action was derived.
Respondents to scoping and comment periods of this
project represented a range of viewpoints about the
logging proposed in this project, from “thin more heavily
than what is proposed,” to “do not cut timber at all.”
1-17 NEPA Some lay members of the public will not be able to
determine if all practicable means to avoid or minimize
environmental harm to the natural resources in the forest
unless the Responsible makes this statement.
Request for final NEPA document modifications: Please
assure that the selected alternative avoids or minimizes
environmental harm and state in the EA that “all practicable
The Responsible official is only required to make a
statement as to “whether all practicable means to avoid or
minimize environmental harm from the alternative
selected have been adopted, …” in cases with a record of
decision (ROD) for environmental impact statements
(EIS), as per 40 CFR 1505.2(C). This regulation does not
apply to preparation of the decision notice prepared for an
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means to avoid or minimize environmental harm from the
alternative selected have been adopted.”
environmental assessment.
1-18 NEPA The Purpose & Need is written so narrowly that it excludes
all reasonable alternatives to the Proposed Action. Such a
narrow Purpose & Need allows you to reject all (emphasis
added) alternatives submitted by the public in good faith in
the “Alternatives considered but eliminated from detailed
study” category.
Request for final NEPA document modifications:
Please write a new (expanded) Purpose & Need that
allows alternatives to the Proposed Action to be analyzed
in detail. Then reinitiate the NEPA comment and analysis
process to analyze the new reasonable alternatives,
especially those suggested by the public during the
comment period.
In an EA, Federal agencies must briefly specify the
underlying purpose and need to which the agency is
responding in proposing the alternatives including the
proposed action. Without a clear purpose and need, the
range of alternatives could be considered infinite and thus
impossible to analyze within a reasonable timeline and
budget. In the Nisqually Thin EA, the Responsible Official
determined that one of the project’s underlying purposes
is to provide wood fiber for local and regional economies.
This purpose is responding directly to the Gifford Pinchot
National Forest Land and Resource Management Plan
regarding timber output. The Forest Plan and Watershed
Analysis describe producing timber as part of a program
of activities consistent with specific direction and
standards and guidelines to achieve a desired future
condition through silvicultural activities.
Mount Rainier National Park (MRNP)
2-1 Support Proposed Action is supportive of ecological processes that
are connected to national park system lands, and the plan
has the potential to improve stand health and habitat
conditions on overstocked stands that were harvested 30-
N/A (Support).
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70 years ago.
2-2 Information Park helibase is located at Kautz Creek near the Nisqually
River, so units harvested with helicopters that have the
potential to conflict with park operations would require
some coordination with appropriate park aviation
personnel. Helicopter activity is typically heaviest during
spring and fall for park operations, but may occur any time
of year if we have a search and rescue operation.
A mitigation measure (12.1, EA page 31) has been added
to ensure coordination with the Park in the event that
helicopter harvesting operations take place.
2-3 Information Information Statement #2: NPS is proposing to release
Pacific fishers from within the park near Longmire. This
release may occur as early as next fall, if the project is
approved. We would be concerned about timing of harvest
and log truck traffic during timber harvest if it overlaps with
fisher release. However, we believe that planned harvest
activity designed to promote stand health and late
successional conditions will benefit the fisher in the long
term.
We agree that the Nisqually treatments should benefit the
Pacific fisher in the long term by developing late
successional characteristics. We appreciate receiving
regular updates on the status of release activities. It is
unlikely that harvest activities and traffic will be occurring
until 2015.
2-4 Opportunity Information Statement #3: We are proposing to install
engineered log jams (ELJ) on the Nisqually River and
adjaced to the Nisqually to Paradise Road three to five
years from now, depending on funding. Locations would be
immediately downstream of Longmire, at one locations
approximately 1.5 miles downstream of Longmire, and at
Sunshine Point, immediately east of the Nisqually entrance
station. We would like to explore opportunities for
The timing might be right to collaborate on this
opportunity. Please keep us informed as plans to install
the ELJs develop. Note that effects of removing full trees
with intact root wads (which are often desirable in
engineered log jams) were not analyzed in this project EA,
so only logs removed above the ground could potentially
be made available to the Park based on the proposed
action.
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collaboration (purchase of logs, use of slash if needed) if
timing of harvest aligns with construction of ELJs.
American Forest Resource Council (AFRC)
3-1 Support We are pleased to see the project allow ground based
mechanical harvesting on slopes up to 45% and we
encourage the consideration of this in future projects.
Mechanical harvesting has benefits economically,
improved ability to protect residual trees during felling
operations, and increased safety for harvesting personnel.
N/A (support).
3-2 Timing
Restrictions
We encourage the expansion of the Normal Operating
Season (NOS) in the upland areas identified in the draft EA
document, Item 5.1 (pg 19). Seasonal, recreation, and
wildlife restrictions often make timber sales extremely
difficult to complete within the contract timelines. Fire
season restrictions on top of other operating restrictions
can often limit work to 4-5 hours per day. All of these
restrictions have a cost to the purchaser and result in a
lower bid for the stumpage. Additionally these seasonal
restrictions become an even larger issue on units
scheduled for helicopter yarding. Scheduling helicopters for
logging can be difficult due to conflicting demands for
equipment during fire season…Soil compaction,
displacement, and erosion are factors cited for the timing of
the NOS. In the units identified for helicopter use, these
issues can be reduced due to the full suspension of the
Helicopter yarding does reduce soil disturbance, and is
preferable over ground based logging to protect that
resource. However, other components of helicopter
yarding would still remain as factors in soil damage and
erosion, including log landing operations, log hauling, road
maintenance, and industrial soil contaminants, all more
sensitive at times of high soil moisture. NOS restrictions
are the most reliable way to meet the protections needed,
therefore, on the ground monitoring and waivers are a
better way to expand operations when appropriate
conditions exist.
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turn of logs during yarding activities with the helicopter. On
these units the lack of ground or cable yarding systems
should be a factor in extending the NOS.
3-3 Support We are pleased to the see the option included to potentially
allow the operator to operate under the guidelines
identified in Item 5.22 (pg 24) – “Over the Snow operation.”
Assuming the project area is accessible during winter
months, without significant snow plowing expense, winter
operation can be very beneficial to prospective bidders.
N/A (Support).
3-4 Economics /
treatment
prescription
We are hopeful the Nisqually Thin Project units will provide
adequate volumes. Light thinning of 4 -8 mbf /acre makes
units difficult to economically log. Light thinning, particularly
in the older stands (45+ years old) has the potential to
extend the time needed to achieve late successional forest
characteristics.
Thinning prescriptions vary by unit and management
allocation. See the explanation and summary of treatment
prescriptions and the anticipated effects on thinning in the
EA, pp. 56-63
3-5 Riparian
Reserves /
treatment
prescription
AFRC also would like to voice support for thinning
treatments in the riparian areas of the Nisqually Thin
Project. No-cut buffers of 25-50 feet can be prescribed to
provide shade to maintain stream temperatures and also
provide stream bank stability. By thinning the remaining
acres inside the riparian reserves it is possible to achieve
the management objectives of moving them into late
successional habitat faster. This method can also provide a
process to convert riparian areas primarily stocked with
hardwoods to conifer. The removal of hardwoods also
The no-cut buffers range from 30 to 180 feet and are
based on site-specific conditions by stream segment
(Appendix B in EA), along with other design criteria
specified in Riparian Reserves described in the PDC (EA
Table 4). Criteria used to determine buffers are consistent
with the Gifford Pinchot National Forest Land and
Resource Management Plan as amended by the
Northwest Forest Plan for Class I through IV streams.
These buffer widths are designed to protect water quality,
watershed (aquatic habitat conditions), and promote
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helps to fill a niche market for mills that process
hardwoods, thus further aiding the local economies. By
reducing the no-cut buffers to 25-50 feet and thinning down
to that distance, the forest also harvests more volume
during the sale, thus reducing unit cost.
stability, consistent with Aquatic Conservation Strategy
objectives.
3-6 Support AFRC is also pleased to see this project will work to
improve the road infrastructure of the forest as needed for
timber haul.
N/A (Support)
3-7 Road
Closure
We are, however, concerned over the proposed closure of
7.17 miles of road as identified in Table 3 on pages 13 and
14. AFRC understands some roads within the identified
project area need to be decommissioned and/or stabilized
for the benefit of aquatic resources. The challenge and
concern lies in assuring that closure of portions or all of a
road system does not potentially foreclose future
operations within timber stands accessed by those existing
roads. The removal of roads needed for future treatment
projects may have significant negative impacts on the
viability of these prospective operations.
System roads were considered for closure following
treatments proposed under the Nisqually Thin based upon
criteria evaluated in the 2002 Roads Analysis, which were
subsequently verified by the IDT during development of
the Nisqually Thin proposed action. The column indicating
“Access Need” in Table 3 indicates the status of that road
in 2002. A column has been added to Table 3 to disclose
the present need as verified by the IDT. In addition, the
responsible official took these concerns into account when
opting for “close and stabilize,” rather than decommission
these system roads.
3-8 Wildlife We would also ask the Forest to verify the discussion
regarding spotted owl critical habitat (pgs 89-91) is aligned
with current critical habitat evaluation protocols.
Critical habitat for the spotted owl was designated by the
US Fish and Wildlife Service based upon a suite of criteria
and evaluations explained in more detail in the Federal
Rule (50 CFR 17). The discussion in the Nisqually Thin
EA explains the degree to which the 2012 critical habitat
designation is overlapped by the Nisqually Thin proposed
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action in terms of the primary constituent elements
(PCEs). The commenter may be referring to the
methodology for estimating incidental take for spotted
owls based on Owl Estimation Methodology, which was
recently challenged in the courts, but this is not relevant to
the Nisqually Thin project because we are not asking for
any incidental take of spotted owls.
Gifford Pinchot Task Force (GPTF)* GPTF submitted comments on the draft EA after the comment period ended. While these
comments do not have standing in the objection process, the interdisciplinary team discussed and responded to them.
4-1 Watershed
restoration
There are a host of projects that are much needed in this
watershed and although we recognize the limited
resources of the Forest Service we are also keenly aware
of the need to move at a more rapid pace especially in the
face of climate change and it effect on the watersheds. We
again encourage the GPNF to revisit how the watersheds
were prioritized and incorporate many of the additional
watershed restoration work that was identified as a need.
The Forest is currently endeavoring to revisit the how
watersheds will be prioritized for a suite of management
purposes, including watershed restoration, vegetation
management, and wildlife. We appreciate your
engagement and interest as the process unfolds.
4-2 Road closure We are supportive of the Forest Service’s efforts to
increase the road restoration work in this project and
encourage the Forest Service to increase the number of
miles designated for closure and stabilization in areas such
as the Nisqually thin area that are sensitive habitats to a
wild variety of animals including potentially wolverine.
The Forest is always evaluating the need for and
economics of the existing road network, in addition to
seeking opportunities to benefit natural resources through
road restoration work. We look forward to your continued
interest and participation in the prioritization process.
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4-3 Support We are supportive of the efforts being made to produce
snag trees for the species dependent on late successional
and old growth forest trees. We are also supportive of
leaving areas with important habitat outside of the “gap”.
N/A (Support).
4-4 Wildlife The GP Task Force is concerned about the possible
proximity of some of the plantation units to active spotted
owl sites and the impact of a large-scale timber sale within
critical habitat. Right now, with the negative impact that
barred owls are having on spotted owls, there needs to be
extra caution that timber harvest activities do not add to the
pressure on the still-active spotted owl sites.
The US Fish and Wildlife Service is in charge of recovery
for this species and we have a submitted our BA
requesting a “not likely to adversely affect” determination
for this project on spotted owls. One of the key issues for
the project is to hasten the development of late-
successional habitat that will be a beneficial effect for
spotted owls in the coming decades, should they manage
to persist with the presence of barred owls. According to
the latest northern spotted owl recovery plan, the best
hope for the future survival of spotted owls is to maintain
and develop large areas of suitable habitat, which this
project is designed to help achieve with the proposed
treatments.
Recent surveys have detected barred owls in the project
area and some occupancy by spotted owls of historic
territories. We are aware of the situation with barred owl
presence and the negative effect they are having on
northern spotted owls. The proposed thinning is a neutral
effect to competition and will enhance habitat for both
species. The EA fully addresses habitat degradation for
spotted owls and does a thorough analysis of this by
analyzing quantities of suitable nesting, roosting, foraging
and dispersal habitat by historic core area and the effects
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of the proposed units on the different habitat type
quantities (EA pg. 54-62).
4-5 Treatment
prescription
While the Nisqually Timber Sale stands are a mix of Matrix
and Late-Successional Reserve, the GP Task Force urged
the Forest Service to apply a variable density thinning
(VDT) framework for all the units. We are disappointed that
the Forest Service is not considering use of VDT in the
matrix units and would request that the GPNF reconsider
its thinning protocols for the matrix. GP Task Force is
highly supportive of the use of VDT in the late successional
reserves.
The Forest Plan Management Area Categories for Matrix
is Timber Production (TS). The goal of the Timber
Production allocation is to optimize timber production, the
utilization of wood fiber and other commodities in a
manner which assures the future productivity of the land
(EA, p 7). Variable Density Thinning is a technique among
several used in Late Successional Reserves (LSR) that
increases horizontal and vertical heterogeneity of stands
in accelerating development of late-successional
structural characteristics and habitat (EA, pp.56, 59-60).
To use Variable Density Thinning in the Matrix portion of
the project would be squarely at odds with current
management direction.
4-6 Riparian
Reserves
The GP Task Force urges the district not to undertake
thinning of forests in riparian reserves—even “dry upland
portions”—without the scientific rationale to demonstrate
that such treatments are likely to benefit aquatic and
riparian resources. It is our view that riparian silviculture is
only authorized where there is a rational basis to find that it
promotes these goals.
Standards and guidelines for Riparian Reserves prohibit
or regulate activities in Riparian Reserves that retard or
prevent attainment of the Aquatic Conservation Strategy
objectives (ROD, p. C-31). Much of the science of riparian
thinning points to many benefits to dense stands less than
80 years old and even more so to stands less than 50
years old. Thinning in riparian stands does result in
accelerating the availability of live trees of pool-forming
size over time if the original treated stand was of small
diameter (Beechie et al. 2000). Recent studies of similar
treatments and buffer widths to Nisqually Thin contend
that headwaters are spatially compressed systems with a
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narrow zone of cool, moist conditions where riparian
zones do not extend far upslope and aquatic vertebrate
community along channels is retained (Olson and Rugger,
2007). Additionally, Olson and Chan (2004) found in
thinning 30-70 year old plantations in western Oregon that
riparian buffers averaging as narrow as 17 meters wide
mitigated the microclimates associated with thinning and
thinning did not affect riparian buffer soil temperature and
stream temperature.
4-7 Roads We are disappointed that the Forest Service plans to open
more than a 1 mile of new temporary roads and re-open
4.81 miles of older roads for this project. We encourage the
Forest Service to reconsider units that require road building
to lessen impacts on the watershed.
Issues brought up during public and internal scoping and
review, including a proposed alternative to eliminate any
construction or reconstruction of temporary roads, were
resolved through revising the silvicultural prescriptions
and project design criteria, or through dropping units or
portions of units, resulting in the one proposed action
alternative rather than multiple alternatives to meet the
purpose and need of this project. Any temporary roads
constructed or reconstructed for the project will be
returned to a closed and stable condition following timber
harvest.