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Ray Kurzweil: In The 2030s, Nanobots In Our Brains WillMake Us 'Godlike'Once we're cyborgs, he says, we'll be funnier, sexier and more loving.
Posted: 10/01/2015 08:47 AM EDT
Futurist and inventor Ray Kurzweil predicts humans are going to develop emotions andcharacteristics of higher complexity as a result of connecting their brains to computers.
“We’re going to be funnier. We’re going to be sexier. We’re going to be better at expressingloving sentiment,” Kurzweil said at a recent discussion at Singularity University. He is involvedin developing artificial intelligence as a director of engineering at Google but was not speakingon behalf of the company.
Kurzweil predicts that in the 2030s, human brains will be able to connect to the cloud, allowingus to send emails and photos directly to the brain and to back up our thoughts and memories.
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This will be possible, he says, via nanobots -- tiny robots from DNA strands -- swimmingaround in the capillaries of our brain. He sees the extension of our brain into predominantlynonbiological thinking as the next step in the evolution of humans -- just as learning to usetools was for our ancestors.
And this extension, he says, will enhance not just our logical intelligence but also our emotionalintelligence. “We’re going to add more levels to the hierarchy of brain modules and createdeeper levels of expression,” he said. To demonstrate, he gave a hypothetical scenario withGoogle co-founder Larry Page.
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“So I’m walking along, and I see Larry Page coming, and I think, ‘I better think of somethingclever to say.’ But my 300 million modules in my neocortex isn’t going to cut it. I need a billionin two seconds. I’ll be able to access that in the cloud -- just like I can multiply intelligence withmy smartphone thousands fold today.”
In addition to making us cleverer in hallways, connecting our brains to the Internet will alsomake each of us more unique, he said.
“Right now, we all have a very similar architecture to our thinking,” Kurzweil said. “When wecan expand it without the limitations of a fixed enclosure" -- he pointed to his head -- "we wecan actually become more different."
“People will be able to very deeply explore some particular type of music in far greater degreethan we can today. It’ll lead to far greater individuality, not less.”
This view is in stark contrast to a common perception, often portrayed in science fiction, thatcyborg technologies make us more robotic, less emotional and less human. This concern isexpressed by Dr. Miguel Nicolelis, head of neuroengineering at Duke University, who fears thatif we rely too much on machines, we’ll lose diversity in human behavior because computersoperate in black and white -- ones and zeros -- without diversion.
But Kurzweil believes that being connected to computers will make us more human, moreunique and even godlike.
“We’re going to expand the brain’s neocortex andbecome more godlike.
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“Evolution creates structures and patterns that over time are more complicated, moreknowledgable, more creative, more capable of expressing higher sentiments, like being loving,”he said. “It’s moving in the direction of qualities that God is described as having without limit.”
“So as we evolve, we become closer to God. Evolution is a spiritual process. There is beauty andlove and creativity and intelligence in the world -- it all comes from the neocortex. So we’regoing to expand the brain’s neocortex and become more godlike.”
Nanites? Robots.
But will brain nanobots actually move out of science fiction and into reality, or are theydoomed to the fate of flying cars? Like Kurzweil, Nicholas Negroponte, founder of the MITMedia Lab, thinks that nanobots in our brains could be the future of learning, allowing us, forexample, to load the French language into the bloodstream of our brains. James Friend, aprofessor of mechanical engineering at UC San Diego focused on medical nanotechnology,thinks that we're only two to five years away from being able to effectively use brain nanobots,for example to prevent epileptic seizures.
However, getting approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration would likely be verydifficult, Friend told The WorldPost. He thinks approval would take “anywhere from only a fewyears to never happening because of people being concerned about swimming mysteriousthings into your head and leaving them there," he said.
Other scientists are skeptical that brain nanobots will be safe and effective anytime soon or atall, largely due to how little we currently understand about how the brain works. One suchscientist is David Linden, professor of neuroscience at Johns Hopkins University School ofMedicine, who thinks the timing of Kurzweil’s estimation that nanobots will be in our brains inthe 2030s is premature. Linden says there are huge obstacles, such as adding a nanobot powersource, evading cells that attack foreign bodies and avoiding harming the proteins and sugarsin the tiny spaces between brain cells.
Although the science is far from application in brains, nanotechnology has long been heraldedas a potential game changer in medicine, and the research is advancing. Last year, researchersinjected into living cockroaches DNA nanobots that were able to follow specific instructions,including dispensing drugs, and this year, nanobots were injected into the stomach lining ofmice.
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And we are learning how to enhance our brains, albeit not with nanobots. Researchers havealready successfully sent a message from one human brain to another, by stimulating thebrains from the outside using electromagnetic induction. In another study, similar brainstimulation made people learn math faster. And in a recent U.S. government study, a few dozenpeople who were given brain implants that delivered targeted shocks to their brain scoredbetter on memory tests.
We’re already implanting thousands of humans with brain chips, such as Parkinson’s patientswho have a brain chip that enables better motor control and deaf people who have a cochlearimplant, which enables hearing. But when it comes to enhancing brains without disabilitiesand for nonmedical purposes, ethical and safety concerns arise. And according to a survey lastyear, 72 percent of Americans are not interested in a brain implant that could improve memoryor mental capacity.
Yet, some believe enhancement of healthy brains is inevitable, including Christof Koch, chiefscientific officer of the Allen Institute for Brain Science, and Gary Marcus, professor ofpsychology at New York University. They use the analogy of breast implants -- breast surgerywas developed for post-mastectomy reconstruction and correcting congenital defects but hassince become popular for breast augmentation. Brain implants could follow the same path,they say.
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Here are Kurzweil’s answers to a couple of the questions he took at the Singularity Universitydiscussion:
You have predicted that in 2029, we will reach the singularity -- the point at whichartificial intelligence outpaces human intelligence. Your opening remarks suggest thatyou’re fundamentally positive about AI in the post-2029 world. Other speakers havebeen a little more ambivalent, certainly regarding the future of employment. Would youelaborate on your overall sentiment on the post-2029 world?
I’ve actually written about the dangers of AI more than most. But I’m also optimistic, havinglooked at the positive impact that technology has had on human life.
When it comes to the existential threat of AI, the primary strategy comes from governance andsocial systems. We will have conflict between different groups of humans, each enhanced by AI.We have that today with humans using intelligent weapons. The best tool we have to combatthat is to continue to work on our democracy, liberty and respect for each other.
When it comes to potential unemployment caused by AI, it’s always been the case that we canclearly see the jobs that are going away. This started 200 years ago in the textile industry inEngland. The weavers, who had enjoyed a business model passed down for centuries, weresuddenly losing their jobs to machines that could spin thread or weave cloth. You could look atalmost every job, and it would not be long before it’d be automated. The reality is thatemployment went up, and prosperity went up. The common man or woman, rather than justhaving one shirt, could now have a whole wardrobe. Life became better, and there wereactually more jobs.
Ray Kurzweil: A.I. Will Result In More Human Jobs, Not Fewer
If I were a futurist in 1900 and said, “OK, about [40 percent] of you work on farms and a thirdwork in factories. I predict, by the year [2012], only about two percent of us will work on farmsand [nine percent] in factories,” everyone would go, “Oh my God, we’re going to be out ofwork!” I’d say, “Don't worry. You’re going to get new jobs creating apps, web sites, chip designsand data analysis” -- nobody would have any idea what I’m talking about.
We’re destroying jobs at the bottom of the skill ladder and creating new jobs at the top. We’veinvested more in education in the U.S. over the last century. We’ve increased per capitainvestment in K-12 education significantly. We had 50,000 college students in 1870; we have[20 million] today.
It’s a difficult political situation because people can see the jobs that are going away, and that'spainful. You say, “Well but there will be new jobs,” and people say, “What new jobs?” And you
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say, “Well, I don't know; they haven’t been invented yet.” It’s kind of a weak argument. But it’strue.
We’re also creating jobs that move up Maslow’s hierarchy so we can spend more time doingthings that give us gratification. People a century ago for the most part were happy if they couldhave a job and provide for their family. Today, to an increasing degree, people get gratificationfrom what they’re doing. They look for a career that meets their passion -- lots of people arepursuing entrepreneurial ideas. We have 20 million college students and an equal amount ofpeople who teach them and support that infrastructure, all to think about knowledge andorganize knowledge. That’s not something people spent much time doing a century or two ago -- we’re going to keep moving in that direction.
Most things are becoming information technology, including clothing, which will be printed on3-D printers. We’ll be able to grow food in vertical agriculture and print it on 3-D printers,which are pennies for pounds. In the 2020s, 3-D printing designs will be open source and freeso you can live extremely well and print out everything you need, including printing outhouses.
People say, “Great, there goes all these industries, like fashion and construction.” But look atindustries that have already gone from physical products to digital products, like music, moviesand books. There’s an open source market with millions of free products but people still spendmoney to read Harry Potter, see the latest blockbuster and buy music from their favorite artist.Fueled by the ease of distribution and promotion, you have a coexistence of a free open-sourcemarket and a proprietary market. That's the direction we’re moving in.
I can’t actually describe exactly what the new jobs will be but they will be more gratifying. Weare already redefining the nature of work. I don't feel like I’m working when I go to Googlebecause I’m doing what I’m passionate about. A lot of people today don't like their jobs. So whyare people so upset if these jobs go away? We’ve created a society where you need a job to havea livelihood. But that’s going to be redefined. We’re going to have the means of providing anextremely high standard of living to everyone easily within 15 to 20 years.
In the documentary about yourself, you are preparing yourself to transcend yourdeath. How do you explain your theory of immortality?
In the film “Transcendent Man,” I talk about bringing back my father, Frederick Kurzweil. I’mwriting a book now called The Singularity Is Nearer, and I’m talking about this concept of areplicant, where we bring back someone who has passed away. It’ll go through several differentstages. First, we’ll create an avatar based on emails, text messages, letters, video, audio andmemories of the person. Let’s say in 2025, it’ll be somewhat realistic but not really the same.But some people do actually have an interest in bringing back an unrealistic replicant ofsomeone they loved.
“In the 2030s, we will be able to send nanobots intoliving people’s brains and extract memories of peoplewho have passed away.
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By the 2030s, the AIs will be able to create avatars that will seem very close to a human whoactually lived. We can take into consideration their DNA. In the 2030s, we will be able to sendnanobots into living people’s brains and extract memories of people who have passed away.Then you can really make them very realistic.
I have collected and keep many boxes of information about my father. I have his letters, music,8mm movies and my fading memories of him. It will be possible to create a very realistic avatarin a virtual environment or augmented reality. When you actually interact with an avatarphysically, it will ultimately pass a Frederick Kurzweil Turing test -- meaning he’ll beindistinguishable from our memories of the actual Frederick Kurzweil.
Kurzweil’s comments have been edited for clarity. This is part of the WorldPost Series onExponential Technology.
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Ian Monteith · University of SaskatchewanIt's an exciting idea, but we'd better think this out very carefully at every step. Right now,our brains are physically independent, iinsulated from one another by physical barriers(like skulls). Even with that separation, mind 'viruses' (memes) like religions, ideologies,panic, mob rumours, etc. can spread through a population and cause deadlybehaviours. What would be the risk if we were to create actual links with other minds orwidespread networks of minds and servers? The wrong information, or a jolt of maliciousstimulation could have enormous and destructive consequences.
Like · Reply · 40 · Oct 1, 2015 5:37pm
Mike Barden · Ball State UniversitySo THIS Development will Weed Out Greed & the Tendency toward Violence?
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Mike Barden · Ball State Universityi MEAN i'm Still Waiting For them flying Cars i Was Promised As a Child So iAM Dubious About His Timetable BUT...
Like · Reply · 10 · Oct 2, 2015 1:55am
Chad HansonMike Barden - I found it obvious that he assumed that the mind and the soulwere one in the same thing! That is not true. The mind receives and processesand the soul creates and expresses. His bots are only going to magnify what'salready there to be worked with....not actually expand it from it's already finitepotential. The capacity of your intellect and aptitudes will remain basically thesame.
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Garth Haygood · Chief Engineer at RetiredSorry to disagree with Mr. Kurzweil. I human history has taught us anything is that newtechnology will be used in the worst possible way first, to make money next, and then ifany good is capable it will be last.
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Jon AdamThat and your wife will be able to know exactly what you are thinking at alltimes. Scarey scarey!
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Wanda LeeExactly Garth....they can keep it, I'm not interested.
Like · Reply · 6 · Oct 1, 2015 6:01pm
Jim Nation · Wheat Ridge, ColoradoNo, new technology is NOT always used in the worst possible way! Where didyou get that notion?
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Daniel Morgenbesser · Works at Mostly in the kitchenThey can't even get the weather right half the time.
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Chris MillerEarthquake predictions are even worse!
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Robert South · Seated at RetiredOh, the weather and earthquakes come as predicted, just not at the timepredicted. That snow they predict in July will come--in December. The same istrue here. Kurzweil is predicting for 2030 what will be more like 3 to 10 times asfar away.
Like · Reply · 2 · Oct 2, 2015 12:07pm
Vilk Floyd · Software Engineer at Self-EmployedDaniel, the reason for not getting the weather right is computational power.Supercomputers (clusters with 100's of 000's of CPUs) are needed to run verycomplex algorithms with tons of data. And the existing ones (see top500.org)are few, and still underpowered. But Moore's Law still applies (kind of), andquantum computing is becoming a reality.. and this is what will lead to the"technological singularity".
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Uncl MarkGreat, that's all we need...a way for the gov't to access/influence our thoughts in thecloud (i.e. a futuristic "Patriot Act"). Will we have worry about Chinese or Russianhackers too?
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Uncl MarkWould this mean that people would be able to contact you mind to mind via acloud? Could you imagine the nightmare of everyone being able to contact youall the time...anytime...being unable to be alone with your own thoughts?Sounds like a lot of futuristic insanity, if there is no on & off switch/filter to thismental cloud.
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Khoi Nguyen · Austin, Texastalking about protecting intellectual property... they can steal out thougths now.
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Adam Griffith · San Clemente, CaliforniaProbably more likely some corporation will manipulate you to purchase thingsyou don't need or want.
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William Gaskill · Works at Reliability Consultants, Inc.
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Once our brains become interwoven with AI, we will start the permanent change todigital presence, and organic bodies will eventually be left behind. Within a hundredyears, we could be totally digital, moving easily between a virtual world and interfacingwith a mechanical body in the real world. The next stage in our evolution will be learningto live in a "hive mind", where the entirety of our mind will be open to everyone else - itwill be, by far, the most loving and the scariest experiences possible.
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Ben Rubin · Williamstown, MassachusettsNo thanks.
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Don Gettys · Joliet Junior CollegeThat's actually natural evolution since a naturally evolved creature is institutingthe change. I believe that all societies reach this point and most move on.
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William Gaskill · Works at Reliability Consultants, Inc.Ben Rubin : It doesn't matter whether you like it or not - many won't. It is,however, the next step in our evolution, and the "fittest" will survive.
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Jon AdamOdd that such a smart man fascinated with increasing emotional intelligence andexpannding the human mind's capabilities can't seem to see the obvious pitfalls in hisvision of the future.
Kurzweil may indeed be a great idea generator, but it's blantantly obvious he lives a lifecloistered from reality.
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Kenneth Moore · Professor at Sookmyung Women's UniversityGood point. It's telling that Kurzweil's example of machine-enhanced emotionalintelligence consists in being able to say something clever to a colleague morequicky/efficiently. Wouldn't truly-increased emtional intelligence consist in notneeding to say something clever to gain acceptance/leverage/momentarydominance? He may have made some good keyboards in the 80s, but hisunderstanding of what it means to be human is not only cloistered but also a bitsuperficial.
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Trent BalalisWouldn't this open the door to hackers? Can you imagine planting a virus in the cloudthat causes all our brains shut down or false memories. we can't even protect ourcurrent technology from hacking.
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F-erenc Szabo · Toronto, OntarioA similar thing already happens via interaction (mass hysteria like religion forexample).
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Craig SchultzF-erenc Szabo - Or, the idea for mass shootings being planted in sick minds bythe wide broadcast of reports of mass shootings by the news media.
Religion has pretty much been OK, with dark periods every one in a while butmass shootings specifically and terrorist activity doesn't seem to be windingdown anytime soon and is more likely to escalate much more due to the abilityto instantly become world famous, or infamous by committing ever moreheinous acts.Like · Reply · Oct 6, 2015 3:12pm
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So sick of all these naive, human-centric, "thinkers" who truly believe technology willmake the world a better place. How about nanotech that will save and make life betterfor ALL creatures humans share the planet with?
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Jed Fribley · University of Mississippi ~ Ole MissYou should check out The Abolitionist Project.Like · Reply · Oct 2, 2015 8:16pm
Adam Griffith · San Clemente, CaliforniaAnd then Skynet becomes self aware.
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Joe Breaux · Lafayette, LouisianaWould be a good way to unite humanity....a common enemy.
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Edward StewResistance is futile.
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John GornSetting aside the ethical issues, I think his timeline is way off. The 2030s are 15 yearsaway and there is nothing remotely close to suggesting that technology at this level willemerge in 15 years.
Ray's vision is sort of an extension of Google - a massive collection of data. But youneed more than data to develop something like this. It also requires the intelligence toprocess it and the technology to integrate it into biological systems. Not only does noneof that exist, but those biological systems are not even deeply understood.
I think 100 years might be closer to the mark, unless the dreaded AI singularity occursand takes over from humans to accelerate the technology. I hope to be dead before thathappens and not to be "resurrected" as an avatar.
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Beth McKinney · Edmonds High SchoolMe too. Pretty sure I'll be long gone before any of this and glad of it.
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Half W. SatireIn your world, if a tree falls in the forset and YOU are not there to hear it.It makes NO sound !
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Jon AdamBrian Sharritts Not even close.
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