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Rational numbers and black hole formation paradox
Igor V. Volovich
Steklov Mathematical Institute, Moscow
International Workshop "p -Adic Methods for Modelling of Complex Systems“
ZiF, Bielefeld University, Bielefeld, Germany April 15–19, 2013
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PLANRational, real and p-adic numbers in
natural sciences
Non-Newtonian Classical Mechanics
Functional (random) quantum theory
Functional Probabilistic General Relativity and Black Holes
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• I. V. , “Randomness in classical
mechanics and quantum mechanics”,
Found. Phys., 41:3 (2011), 516.
• M. Ohya, I. Volovich,
“Mathematical foundations of quantum information and computation and its applications to nano- and bio-systems”, Springer, 2011.
I.V. “Bogoliubov equations and
functional mechanics”, TMF (2012) 35, 17.
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Newton Equation
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Phase space (q,p), Hamilton dynamical flow
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• Newton`s approach:
• Empty space
• (mathematical, real numbers) and
• point-like (mathematical) particles.
• Reductionism to mechanics:
• In physics, biology, economy, politics (freedom, liberty, market agents,…)
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Why Newton`s mechanics can not be true?
• Newton`s equations of motions use real numbers while one can observe only rationals.
• Classical uncertainty relations
• Time irreversibility problem
• Singularities in general relativity
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Real Numbers
• A real number is an infinite series,
which is unphysical:
.9,...,1,0,10
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Classical Uncertainty Relations
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Time Irreversibility Problem
The time irreversibility problem is the problem of how to explain the irreversible behaviour
of macroscopic systems from the time-symmetric microscopic laws:
Newton, Schrodinger Eqs –- reversible
Navier-Stokes, Boltzmann, diffusion, Entropy increasing --- irreversible
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Time Irreversibility ProblemBoltzmann, Maxwell, Poincar´e, Bogolyubov, Kolmogorov, von Neumann, Landau, Prigogine,Feynman, Kozlov,…
Poincare, Landau, Prigogine, Ginzburg,Feynman: Problem is open. We will never solve it (Poincare)Quantum measurement? (Landau)
Black hole information loss (Hawking).
Lebowitz, Goldstein, Bricmont: Problem was solved by Boltzmann
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Boltzmann`s answers to:
Loschmidt: statistical viewpoint
Poincare—Zermelo: extremely long
Poincare recurrence time
Coarse graining
• Not convincing, since the time reversable symmetry is unbocken.
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Ergodic Theory
• Boltzmann, Poincare, Hopf, Kolmogorov, Anosov, Arnold, Sinai, Kozlov,…:
• Ergodicity, mixing,… for deterministic mechanical and dynamical systems
• However, the time symmetry is unbrocken.
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Proposal of how to solve the time irreversibility problem
• Probabilistic formulation of equations of mechanics
• Violation of time symmetry at microlevel
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Singularities in general relativity
• Penrose – Hawking theorems
• Black holes.
• Black hole information loss (Hawking).
• Black hole formation paradox.
• Cosmology. Big Bang.
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• Try to solve these problems by developing a new, non-Newtonian mechanics.
• This approach was motivated
by p-adic mathematical physics
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Functional formulation of non-Newtonian classical mechanics
• Here the physical meaning is attributed not to an individual trajectory but only to a bunch of trajectories or to the distribution function on the phase space. The fundamental equation of the microscopic dynamics in the proposed "functional" approach is not the Newton equation but the Liouville or Fokker-Planck-Kolmogorov (Langevin, Smoluchowski) equation for the distribution function of the single particle.
• .
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States and Observables inFunctional Classical Mechanics
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States and Observables inFunctional Classical Mechanics
Not a generalized function.
Mean values are rational numbers
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Fundamental Equation inNon-Newtonian Classical Mechanics
Looks like the Liouville equation which is used in statistical physics to describe a gas of particles. But here we use it to describe a single particle.(moon,…). Or Fokker-Planck eq. Or…
Instead of Newton equation. No trajectories!
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Non-Newtonian dynamical systems
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Free Motion
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Cauchy Problem for Free Particle
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Average Value and Dispersion
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Newton`s Equation for Average
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Delocalization
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Comparison with Quantum Mechanics
Wigner
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Liouville and Newton. Characteristics
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Corrections to Newton`s EquationsNon-Newtonian Mechanics
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Corrections to Newton`s Equations
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Corrections to Newton`s Equations
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Corrections
E. Piskovsky, A. Mikhailov, O.Groshev,
Problem: h is fixed:Inoue, Ohya, I.V. Log dependence on time
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Stability of the Solar System?
• Kepler, Newton, Laplace, Poincare,…,Kolmogorov, Arnold,…---stability?
• Solar System is unstable, chaotic (J.Laskar)• an error as small as 15 metres in measuring the position of the
Earth today would make it impossible to predict where the Earth would be in its orbit in just over 100 million years' time.
• Asteroids. Chelyabinsk. Apophis, 2029, 2036.
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Fokker-Planck-Kolmogorov versus Newton
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Einstein equations
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BLACK HOLES in GR. Schwarzschild solution
• Asymptoticaly flat• Birkhoff's theorem: Schwarzschild solution
is the unique spherically symmetric vacuum solution
• Singularity
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Gravitational collapse
Oppenheimer – Snyder solution
Uniform perfect sphere of fluid of zero pressure (dust)
The total time of collapse for an observer comoving with the stellar matter is finite, and for this idealized case and typical stellar masses, of the order of a day;
an external observer sees the star asymptotically shrinking to its gravitational radius (infinite time is required to each event horizon).
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Applications of this non-Newtonian functional mechanics to the black hole formation paradox :
It is believed that observations indicate thatmany galaxies, including the Milky Way, contain supermassive black holes at their centers.
However there is a problem that for the formation of a black hole an infinite time is required as can be seen by an external observer.
And that is in contradiction withthe finite time of existing of the Universe.
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Fixed classical spacetime?• A fixed classical background spacetime
does not exists (Kaluza—Klein, Strings, Branes).
There is a set of classical universes and
a probability distribution
which satisfies the Liouville equation
(not Wheeler—De Witt).
Stochastic inflation?
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Functional General Relativity
• Fixed background .
Geodesics in functional mechanics
Probability distributions of spacetimes• No fixed classical background spacetime. • No Penrose—Hawking singularity
theorems• Stochastic geometry?
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Geodesics in Functional Mechanics
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Example
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BH Complementarity or Firewalls?
`t Hooft, Preskill, Susskind: `BH complementarity. AdS/CFTholography.
Postulate: The process of formation and Hawking evaporation of a black
hole, as viewed by a distant observer, can be described entirely within the
context of standard quantum theory.
Almheiri, Marolf, Polchinski, and Sully: once a black hole has radiated
more than half its initial entropy (the Page time), the horizon is re- placed
by a “firewall" at which infalling observers burn up.
Non-deterministic functional general relativity. Probabilistic scenario.
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• Newton`s approach: Empty space (vacuum) and point particles.
• Reductionism: For physics, biology economy, politics (freedom, liberty,…)
• This non-Newtonian approach:
• There is no empty space.
• No classical determinism.
• Probability distribution. Collective phenomena. Subjective.
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Single particle (moon,…)
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ConclusionsArbitrary real numbers are unobservable. One can observe only rational numbers.
Non-Newtonian classical mechanics: distribution function instead of individual trajectories.
Fundamental equation: Liouville or FPK for a single particle. Irreversibility.
Newton equation—approximate for average values.Corrections to Newton`s law.
Stochastic geometry, general relativity,…
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Arbitrary real numbers are unobservable.
Therefore the widely used modeling of physicalphenomena by using differential equations, which was introduced by Newton,does not have an immediate physical meaning.
What to do?One suggests that the physical meaning should be attributed not to an individual trajectory in the phase space but only to the probability distribution function.
This approach was motivated by p-adic mathematical physics andthe time irreversibility problem.
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Even for the single particle the fundamental dynamical equation in the proposed "functional" approach is not the Newton equation.
In functional mechanics the basic equation is the Liouville equation or the Fokker - Planck - Kolmogorov equation. Langevin eq. for a single particle.Random parameters.
The Newton equation in functional mechanics appears as an approximate equation for the expected values of the position and momenta. Corrections.
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In the functional approach to general relaivity one deals with stochastic geometry of spacetime manifolds.
It is different from quantum gravity or string theory.
Probability of formaion of ablack hole for the external observer in finite time during collapse is estimated.
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Newton`s Classical Mechanics
Motion of a point body is described by the trajectory in the phase space.Solutions of the equations of Newton or
Hamilton.
Idealization: Arbitrary real numbers—non observable.
• Newton`s mechanics deals with non-observable (non-physical)
quantities.
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Rational numbers. P-Adic numbers
Vladimirov, I.V., Zelenov,
Dragovich, Khrennikov, Aref`eva, Kozyrev,,…Witten, Freund, Frampton,…
Vladimirov, Volovich, Zelenov “p-Adic analysis and mathematical physics”
Springer, 1994.
Journal: “p-Adic Numbers,…”(Springer)
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• No classical determinism
• Classical randomness
• World is probabilistic
(classical and quantum)
Compare: Bohr, Heisenberg,
von Neumann, Einstein,…