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1/7/14 5:We called for help, and they killed my son,' North Carolina man says - CNN.com

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j_m_h

When the police "don't have time" to allow an "improving situation" to resolve

itself without violence we as a society don't have timeto allow such officers toremain out of jail.

512Kirk

Three grown men couldn't subdue one teenager without use of a firear

Unbelievable. Murder one.

someguy223

what's worse, is that this kid was a twig, he barely weighed 90

pounds from what I've read

ancv1992

And he was a "tased" twig, at that.

bob

I'm surprised they tased him before shooting him. Cops

are really trigger happy lately!
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snobsuncle

"Authorities have not released the exact sequence of

events......."

................and won't until they all get rehearsed to sell th

cover-up to the public.

UrbanFlatuanceFighter

"we don't have time for that"... shoot the cop!

snobsuncle

"Everything was going good, then this fat cop from

Southport walks in the room.............

This was probably interrupting Tubby's donut run.


Tubby has issues.

snobsuncle

It's time that we stop tiptoeing around and start talking

about the elephantin the room........


At first I thought Zimmerman had a job.
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LadyScot

So because the dad claimed the cop said that, it must b

gospel.

Jackson Lewantowicz I'll believe the father over the cops on this one. I think m

others will too.

LadyScot

The father who called the cop fat, and can not keep his

story straight, and thinks his dangerous violent son is

innocent and sweet. Right.

RS1983

The same step father who said that his son didn't have a

violent bone in his body calls 911 and tells them that the

boy's mother is "scared to death of him right now" and "

wants to fight his mother." More objective facts need tocome out before people rush to judgment...but hey,

where's the fun in that?

Chris James

I know.. Lets all jump over the Cops on account of what

the family said. Because obviously it must be the truth,

right? They're always good people when they're dead.


Gospel? ...I don't trust anything that has to be re-

interpreted over and over.
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Demoneater

You're taking the cop's innocence for gospel and there

hasn't even been a word spoken in his defense by his PD

or any of the witnesses. Doesn't seem to bother you mu

Fiddy

A psycho attacks his parents and cops with a screwdriv

and suddenly the cops that saved normal people are

villains.

News flash, if your kid is a psycho and is attacking youwith a screw driver, and you don't want the cops to shoo

him, you don't call the cops.

If this kid ended up killing his parents, which they obviou

felt was possible since they called the cops, everyone

would boohoo about mental health and about how the

state should have done something earlier.

Nobody wins with crazy people anymore.

E. Ellet

it was a very small screw driver, and he did not attack

anyone. He did threaten to attack his mother, though. Th

officers name is Detective Byron Vassey, though the

police chief did not confirm whether he pulled the triggeObviously, Vassey took the kid's life. He is also under

investigation by the feds for other killings.

Fiddy
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If the "kid" were so helpless, the stepfather could have

restrained him. Obviously, the guy was a menace to his

family and a man couldn't do anything about it, so he

called men with guns into the situation.

lazrrocketarm

The stepfather said "she is scared to death of him".

sounds like neither the mom or stepfather thought he wa

helpless before.

Chris James

Of course after the fact: He was a helpless, "good kid"

Who was "awesome" and just happened to attack peop

with screw drivers and fight his parents. People make m

sick.

Marta Rizzo

OK lets shoot and kill all the kids that are mean and nastto their parents. Way too many cops killing innocent USA

folks each day. Bad cops belong in JAIL.

bridget

he was mentally handicapped and not taking his medicin

he wasn't a gangbanger on heroin.

he was also 90 pounds.

he was also shot point blank in his mother's home.
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Fiddy

He wasn't mentally hadicapped, he was psychotic, and

attacking his family with a weapon.

disqus_B2rbNA5XAm Is the cop your father or are you a cop wannabe? You

seem to be obsessed.

SeeingStars

Some people make me sick, too, but you cant compare

someone with a mental illness, especially schizophrenia

an otherwise mentally healthy person. This is a condition

that does not usually appear until people are in their teen

20s or older. Prior to this, they are typically stable,norma

functioning people. Untreated schizophrenia can cause

people to become extremely delusional, paranoid and

frightened. Millions of people have experienced psychos

related to various mental disorders. Having a psychotic

episode has no correlation whatsoever to ones characte

and it makes me very sad to see that there are still peop

who unfairly judge those with mental conditions.

Considering how frequently the police encounter the

mentally ill, its appalling that they are not required to

complete extensive mental health training.

E. Ellet Good point, but the police murdered a kid and they will

have to pay for that.

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But it doesnt mean go and kill the kid. USA cops are kill

too many innocent folks for small infractions or mistakes

Those cops are terrorist and belong in jail or on death ro

j317

k

MRASoldier

very small screw driver..

A Chicago jewelry designer was brutally

stabbed to death by a screwdriver-wielding parolee w

broke into her

apartment hoping to steal her DVD player, police have

revealed.

if it's not a big deal then why did the parents call the cop

E. Ellet

Why did the cops kill the kid, when he was already

subdued by two other police officers? Why?

MRASoldier

if you are saying he was not a threat then why call the

police...the reality is he was a threat..i have a feeling thestory isn't quite what the media is claiming and while I a

no lover of cops i think the facts will show this was a

ustifiable homicide.
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Marta Rizzo

Europeans, Canadians and even in Japan or Cuba cops

dont go around killing innocent citizens they way is done

the USA. THe kid had issues but it didnt merit to had be

killed. Cops should be able to talk and subdue a child.

disqus_B2rbNA5XAm

It's always justifiable when American cops shoot. This so

of incidents do not happen in the rest of the civilized wo

Cops shooting blue trucks, cops shooting drunk unarme

students, cops shooting 100 year olds, cops shooting

mentally ill, cops shooting wheel chair patients... Americ

cops are always shooting in self defense.

Marta Rizzo

THe key world is PAROLEE. This was an innocent kid th

ha some issues like most kids. Tell me any top nation

where cops go around killing innocent citizens each day

they was is done in the USA. Cops are the #1 terrorist in

the USA! They belong in jail or in death row.

PETER

I'm sure he'll find nice accomodation's when they put hi

in jail.

Chris James

How would you know?

E. Ellet
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Hey, Chris, CNN is not the only one to have covered this

story. Others have done a better job of it.

bridget

all they wanted was help getting him to a hospital.a 90 pound kid with a screwdriver is hardly a threat agai

3 cops.

i am sure that these 3 policemen could have saved a life

rather than took a life...right in front of his own mother.

i cannot imagine his mother's pain right now.

E. Ellet

The fatdonutsucking cop wanted to kill the kid. That's al

there is to the story. The cop is a murderer with a badge

Marta Rizzo

Too many bad cops in the USA going around killing

innocent folks each day. They have become the #1 formterrorism in the USA. No other top nation have cops goin

around killing so easily the way is in the USA. They belon

in jail and congress need to step up.

Fiddy

I'm sure the 90 pound kid was hardly a threat to real me

like police or the stepfather, which is why the stepfather

handled it without calling the cops, right?

Dazy

First of all, there is no evidence at all that he attacked
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anyone. Parents of adult mentally ill children have to pro

their child may be a danger to themselves or others in

order to force them to get treatment. They are told to ca

the police when there's episodes to document them. Th

is why they called the police. Not because they couldn't

handle him.

Fiddy

Again, 18 is NOT a child. There was a psychotic MAN in

their home with a weapon. THAT is why they called polic

Rayne Millaray

Just because the law says 18=adult doesn't mean the ki

was mentally mature. Our society keeps some of our kid

children well into their twenties.

derpleton

Absolutism and Technicalities are usually just desperateustifications for stupidity.

E. Ellet

I wish I was standing right in front of you so I could give

you a good punch in the stomach, and then a knee to th

nuts.

Fiddy

Because you're a violent psychopath, and you think that

committing violence against others is a good way to

behave. No wonder you're crying in defense of the death
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a psycho who was threatening his family with a weapon

m brunner

sounds like the cop who didn't have time to resolve the

situation without gunfire is the violent psychopath. Do yowant that murdering cop coming to your property?

E. Ellet

lol only kidding about the gut punch and the knee to the

nuts, cause you are probably have a huge beer belly and

you would not feel a thing, and about the punch to the

nuts, well, you wouldn't feel that either as you don't hav

any.

Bn

You are a pathetic internet loser. Go run to the police

station with a screwdriver and do us all a favor.

Fiddy

Right, you're a violent psychopath who should be shot b

cops.

bridget

the parent's need to document the mental issue in order

get help for their son.

also, police are trained in this, or should be.

i once called the cops on my 14 year old daughter becau

i could not get her to stop screaming her head off at 1am

without having to hurt her.
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she never screamed and woke up the whole building aga

and she is now a 24 year old well on her way to being a

special ed teacher.....not a societal deadbeat.

have you seen any pictures of this boy? he is, or was, th

size of a 13 year old girl.

please look them up as well as images of the cop who shim. the cops name is byron vassey.

all in all, a 90 pound boy who the cops knew had menta

issues was shot dead in front of his mother.

he didn't need to die that day.

Tactful

Right on point and well said!

Marta Rizzo

So call the cops and kill the kid? Cops should be helping

instead of shooting abusing and killing. Bad cops belong

JAIL.

m brunner

real men like the police, that is laughable. don't call the

police, they cannot help anymore, they just resort to

violence and murder.

Marta Rizzo

Many bad USA cops are the #1 form of terrorism in the

USA. THey keep killing innocent folks each day when no

other top nation is doing that. Heck not even in Cuba. Th

belong in JAIL!.
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derpleton

If a police officer cant disarm a child with a screw driver,

then they might want to consider a new line of work. If th

shoot and kill a child with a screw driver then they shoul

never have been a cop in the first place.

E. Ellet

Especially three of them, when the kid was small and lig

weight to begin with. This is a tragic story of a killer cop

the lose who committed murder, if the step father's story

found to be true.

Fiddy

The kid was so small and lightweight and nonthreatening

that the stepfather called the police rather than handle it

himself. Gotcha.

E. Ellet You're probably the kind of cop who has probably alread

murdered an unarmed kid or adult already.

Fiddy

No DA ever charges police with the shooting of a psycho

during a call about a psycho with a weapon. It can't be

murder unless there are charges.

Dazy

That's what parents of adult mentally ill children are told

do. It doesn't mean he couldn't handle him. It means the
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needed documentation of his instability.

Fiddy

He wasn't a child.

derpleton

You have repeatedly called him a kid. Now he isn't a kid

Fiddy

I called him a kid seeing that he's near half my age. That

doesn't make him a child. 18 is a grown man.

Marta Rizzo

They call so they could get help and the cops could talk

with the kid. Not for them to shoot and kill. They are

murderers who belong in jail.

Fiddy

They're heroes that saved a family from a psycho with a

weapon and deserve medals.

Fiddy

18 years old isn't a child. On top of that, the stepfather

couldn't disarm the psycho, so why should the cops be

expected to?

derpleton
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18 years old is only "not a child" on a technicality alone.

Regardless, he was very small, had mental problems, an

for all intents an purposes has the physicality of a child.

my point still stands.

Fiddy

Wrong according to almost every sense of definition of

adulthood in any law on the books in America.

derpleton

The legal definition of child is irrelevant in this matter.Attempting to dismiss a point because of a semantical

error is hardly a valid argument.

Fiddy

There's no point. He wasn't a child. He was a grown ma

with a dangerous weapon who was an active threat to h

family. That's why they called the cops, who then saved

them from a psycho nutcase.

derpleton

There is a point you simpleton, it's that the officer used

excessive force. He could have "saved" the family via no

lethal means, and if he didn't antagonize the 18 year oldadult male the other two officers may have been able to

talk him down to a point they could have taken him in

without incident. He screwed up, and then he shot him.

The person may have been an adult but they were also

physically small and therefore much more easy to detain
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without deadly force. They were also mentally ill so spec

consideration was due.

And before you try to straw man my argument, no I dont

mean that officers should let crazy people attack them. I

mean they should come into the situation knowing that iwill be tense, and ready to use any means necessary to

deflate the situation without lethal means.

You can call me a nutcase all you want but it is better th

being a fool.

Fiddy See, this is where you have no concept of reality. I called

the psycho that police shot a nutcase, not you. It's clear

day. If you can't even follow that, I don't expect you to

understand the nuances of how the police saved a famil

from a psycho murderer with a dangerous weapon.

derpleton

Christ, misreading your post has no bearing on my or

anyone's concept of reality. Do you understand what

concept of reality is? I dont think you do, a concept of

reality is someones idea of how the world works what is

real to them, a misinterpration of someones post in a for

has no bearing on my concept of reality. But saying

concept of reality makes you feel smart right?

Furthermore you again, don't attack the argument you

attack a fallacy in the argument, you are committing the

fallacy of fallacies, furthermore the faults in my statemen

that you are pointing out are ultimately irrelevant to the

actual argument. I can be the dumbest SOB on the plan
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and that doesn't mean that you are right or that I am

wrong.

You have no leg to stand on and so rely on ad hominem

and nitpicking to detract from the faults in your own

argument rather than addressing them.

tauchnitz

The only "psycho murderer" was the cop.

E. Ellet

Fiddy, you are just plain dumb. Why don't you leave theboard?

Three big fat cops couldn't disarm a kid. When they did,

the two of them. It was over when the fat donutsucker c

umped in an murdered the kid in cold blood in front of h

mother. This cop is going to prison if the step father's

version of the story is true.

Fiddy

The officer in question will never see a conviction. I'm gl

you're so upset that your supporting evidence of how fa

guys are supposed to disarm psychos applies to the

stepfather and makes you realize that there was a greate

threat present than what you want to believe. If the

stepfather had disarmed the psycho, there'd be no issuebut he couldn't, because the psycho was an active threa

Police handled an active threat for him.

m brunner
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you keep using the word psycho to describe a human

being with schizophrenia. I feel sorry for you, I truly do.

Mezzy Music

Both of you are wrong. E. Ellet is wrong to stereotype cobecause one cop seems to have obviously did somethin

wrong. Just because it appears very likely that he

unjustifiably used deadly force against someone who ha

already been tased, we still shouldn't make the George

Zimmerman mistake and try him in the media before he

has had his day in court...he is innocent until proven gui

But Fiddy is also clearly wrong to try to justify one of thr

police officers firing at a 100-pound unarmed mentally ill

person with a screw-driver, be he 18 or under 18. I don't

know why there are so many people here trying to defen

the indefensible. It's nuts. Clearly there is something wro

with these people. They are not seeing reality clearly.

tauchnitz A lot more than one cop. It happens every day in this

country. The police are out of control.

m brunner

active threat... you pajama boy

Marta Rizzo

Are you a bad cop too and a terrorist? Bad cops belong

ail or in death row. USA cops are killing TOO MANY

innocent folks in the USA and getting away with it.
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Fiddy

A psychotic man with a dangerous weapon threatening

family is NOT innocent folks. A man playing frisbee with

dog at the park being gunned down? I'd be with you the

A psycho with a weapon is only defended by the insane

Eric Conrad

because he would have gone to jail for child abuse.

Chris James

Age doesn't matter. Size doesn't matter. You don't even

know exactly what happened from that article above.

derpleton

The same defense as usual in situations like this, you jus

don't know what happened. Thanks to the blue wall we

conveniently rarely ever find out and when we do they ju

get a slap on the wrist compared to what a normal persowould get.

Anyways, there are other sources of information about t

other than the above article.

E. Ellet

That's because you're too lazy to surf over to a betternews site and get the facts from some real reporters.

DeLisi47

What, do you just assume all cops are like William
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Wallace? Yeah, let's run right at him and have the

possibility of getting shived in the neck.

derpleton

I assume all cops are trained to defend themselves withotheir firearm, I also assume they are trained with other

methods to subdue violent criminals. So no, while you

argument is a nice straw man, I do not assume everyone

going to go "William Wallace" on them. Though I will giv

you points for the obscurity of your reference.

Eric Conrad

So on the one hand we are told that to receive any sort o

medical intervention we have to go through the courts, o

the other, when you call the cops, that intervention come

in the form of gunpowder and lead.

hussein winfield who made you or them judge jury or executioner.. he wa

not an animal that needed to be put gown but a sick kid

you think they did him or his parents a favor your crazy..

that kid was sick whats the cops excuse..? even if the ki

killed his folks it would be sad and he would still be sick

at least this kid was diagnosed at least the police had an

idea what they were walking into.. this kid and many mo

people dont know what they getting into when they callpolice or get stopped by them.. the problem is the sick

people pretending to be healthy.. so these cops deserve

no consequence because they were doing a job but this

kid deserved to die for being sick at the hands of the co

that is in a cops duty to not only protect but to serve.. th
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is just proof that anyone with authority needs to have a

public mental health posting.. the police need oversight.

cops killing or assaulting civilians are almost as common

as criminal complaints.. cops are paid to put their life on

the line to serve and rotect the ublic trust.. the swea

Fiddy

That's a pretty good rambling wall of text you have there

son, and I'm sure it's good and full of all sorts of reasons

why psychokillers who threaten their family with weapon

and then threaten police officers who are respondingshouldn't be shot.

Unfortunately, that's not how the real world works.

m brunner

I don't think you know how the real world works, boy
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