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Page 1: Newsletter, January 1987

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FORUM ......... _ ___ _ , I I \I C I I I I I

SllJimming to Suburbia

So m e Th 0 ugh t s o n t he New Cily lind How It [lime

t o Be Th ill llI a !j .

Cra;g Hodge tt s

" c:: CI

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:E ~ a: 0 ~

LL =

Page 2: Newsletter, January 1987

INTR

ODU

CTIO

N TO

THE

FOR

UM

The

prim

ary

purp

ose

of th

e Fo

rum

is 1

0

prov

ide

a fra

mew

ork

in wh

ich d

esig

n pr

ofes

sIOna

ls an

d m

embe

rs o

f the

pub

lic

can

expl

ore

and

eval

uate

the

arch

itec­

ture

and

urb

an s

truct

ure

of th

e Lo

s An

gele

s ar

ea.

The

Foru

m s

eeks

to

prom

ote

and

coor

din a

te s

chol

arly

rese

arch

, pla

nnin

g st

udie

s, a

rtist

ic

Des

ign

111 L

os A

ngel

es k

l be

pubj

lshed

bH

nont

ll'y T

he F

orum

has

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rpor

ated

as

a n

oo-p

ro!it

pubU

c ben

efit

corp

orat

ion

devo

ted

pnm

arily

to e

duca

llona

l pu

rpos

es. W

e ar

e se

e!<Jn

g to

obt

am

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ral a

nd S

late

tax

exem

ptio

ns a

nd to

be

rlKX

lgnrz

ed a

s a

Publ

ic eh

a rity

by

the

IRS

MEM

BERS

HIP

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bers

hip

in th

e Fo

rum

is o

pen

to a

ny in

tere

sted

indi

vidu

al. T

he $

35 a

nnua

l fe

e en

title

s m

embe

rs to

free

adm

issi

on to

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um e

vent

s. to

rec

eive

the

bi­

mon

thly

new

slet

ter.

and

to p

urch

ase

othe

r For

um p

ublic

atio

ns a

t red

uced

rat

es

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bers

are

enc

oura

ged

to p

artic

ipat

e in

pla

nnin

g Fo

rum

act

iviti

es. P

leas

e

chec

k th

e ap

prop

riate

cat

egor

y be

low

if in

tere

sted

.

Nam

e:

activ

ities,

and

oth

er e

ndea

vors

whi

ch ca

n A

ddre

ss:

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affe

ct a

nd Im

prov

e th

e bu

ilten

vlro

nmen

l k1

1988

. we

II1ten

d to

coo

rdin

ate

and

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seek

to d

issem

inat

e th

e re

sults

01

thes

e ac

tiviti

es to

a la

rger

pub

jic an

d 10

enco

urag

e in

form

ed e

valu

atio

ns o

f the

ph

ysica

l env

ironm

ent o

f the

city

. Thr

ough

ou

r pro

gram

s. w

e ho

pe 1

0 pr

omot

e th

e es

tabl

ishm

ent o

f an

info

rmed

com

mun

ity

of c

once

rned

pro

fess

iona

ls an

d m

embe

rs o

f the

gen

eral

pub

lic a

nd to

prov

ide

that

com

mun

ity w

ith a

vehi

cle fo

r di

ssem

inat

ion

of in

form

ation

to th

e pu

bClC

at la

rge.

In its

firs

t six

mon

ths

of e

xiste

nce.

the

Foru

m s

pons

ored

two

high

ly su

cces

sful

e an

<! di

scus

sion

serie

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ater

ia:

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ture

eve

nts

Vi

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lor a

serie

s of

publical

lo~s

oevo

tea

to A

rchi

tect

ure

and

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part

cLy

supp

on a

serie

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stu

dies

and

prop

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pub

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pace

, tra

nspo

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bon.

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treet

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tern

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les

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hope

to o

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nding

lo

r t'le

se re

sear

ch p

roje

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from

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eral

an

d St

ate

orga

niza

tions

, to

deve

lop

them

in

COI

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ith th

e Fo

rum

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to p

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nt th

em to

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Page 3: Newsletter, January 1987

L .II."s streets and auenues are stitched together from a monic of discrete clt!J grids which ere dlscontinuousl!J linked b!J dlslotll­tlons, swerulng aKes and polar rotations. These grids open ulstas, freme trlulalltles and reueal anomalies. It Is e system of eltertlltlons end Inconsisten­cies - of thoughtless breadth end pregmatlc entlclpatlon which has bred, albeit tIIrelessl!J, the culture of cruising. hatchbec:ks and conuenlence corners which eKempllf!J the present ulslon of the future clt!J.

In short, the city grid Is the medium from which all other media

emanllte. People do things with It:

they plan eHcurslons and funerals,

meditations lind trysts, with the

abandon of an action pflinter. The

city Is perhflps less fin flrtlfflct

thfln fI beneuolent fluH In Which to

pursue indiuidufll destinies. Yet It

seems thflt our flbility to under­

stand find modify urbfln destiny

hfls in both theory find practice

been hopelessly mired in the

trflmped spflce of our most ele­

mentflry perceptions. In other

words, giuen the uniuerse of

energy find Its corollflry mlltter,

we fire only able to measure find

perceiue the "physicfll" world, and

consequently hllue deueloped

systems of archltecturlll "order"

reillted to the IIblllty of ullrlous

urbfln Objects, buildings find so on

to reflect light. Becfluse of this

flHfltion, the plflnnlng of most

cities is still at the toy block

stflge, While much of the rest

of the world hfls dlscouered

electricity.

We generfllly see wfllls lind roofs flS shflping our cities, but there fire

those of us who are frustrllted by

the limits of construction and its

control of mflking find memory, lind

there fire others who recognize

the inconuenient weight find the permflnence of stone flS fI naturfll

way to dominflte the culture as II

whole. I would propose thflt our

idefl that the stone image confers

Stfltus by Its simple eHistence must

be re-eHflmined in light of the relfltiue effort required for its

refllizfltion.

Imflgine, for fI moment, the pon­

derous tflsk of coordinfltion In the

times when euen bflsic size find

shflpe could only be communicated

with difficulty. A world Iflcklng

FAH find stah, limited to messen­

gers toting papyrus rolls In bOflts

up the Nile, could hflrdly be blamed

for the rigid geometry which cflme

to signify clulllzation. That

geometry was a useful tool. It got

things done, enabling legions of

people to work on a single prod­uct, euen a simple, elemental one:

there was fI necessllry symbiosis

between the monolithic communi­

cations network and the task at

hllnd. So It comes as no surprise

to find the design for the network

Itself carefully Incised Into the

rock, In effect memorifllizing the

"chain of command" which may

hllue been the real inuentlon of

such II culture. Thus the definition

of power and rllnk came to reflect

the rigidity of the medium In which

early clulllzlltions worked !Imag­

Ine the consequences of People

Magazine in stone), with the

resulting geometry Inferring a like

status fit some future time.

By the late Middle Ages, the

routines lind sub-routines of city

building inherited from the Aomllns

had become the structure by

Which urban life was eualuated. The medieual city became II

familiar IIrtifact, so much so that

Giollo's toy-like depiction of

formerly monumentfll edifices as

tilted, colored, euen charming

obJects-at-pIIlY defies their StlltUS, reducing them to the

engaging companions to urban life

that they had become. Buildings

themselues becflme entertaining

pleasure object~, as plentiful liS

Wlllkmen; they made you feel

gOOd, dressed up your life, lind

prouided II defined conteHt In

which you could relate to others.

Page 4: Newsletter, January 1987

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Los Rngeles Is frustrllting beclluse

the wllys In which we hllue studied cities In the PIISt - IInll­

Iyzlng their solids lind uolds, their bumps lind ulllleys - Is no more

releullnt todll!J thlln lire the fingers of phrenology which IIttempt to "sclentificlllly" plumb

neurologiclIl depths by describing

the surfllces of the sleull. This Is beclluse cities hllue become liS

QUllsl-electronlc liS the brllins they house. Rny IInlllysis must IIddress this rellllty. Rs Keith

Jllrrett hilS remllrleed: "There's electricity In 1111 of usl"

Slmllllrly, If Los Rngeles Is reduced to II Noill mllp, It seems 0plIQue

lind uninspired when compllred to

Its [uropelln cousins . Yet we must remember thitt the func­

lIonlll shllpe of the new city Is best described by the flUH of Its electronic networle. The city Is mllde up of ullrlegllted, constllntly

chlln glng rh yt hm s of b 0 ole ing s, orders, trllnsllctlons lind contllcts too rich In Informlltlon to be

sUbjected to holistic IInlllysis. The "sleull" of the modern city cllnnot be cleuerly sliced for dlllgnosis

lind cure: It Is lin entity requiring the sophlstlclltlon of II brllin-sclln

rllther thlln the mlnlstrlltlons of II trlple-O pen. Los Rngeles Is II hologrllphlc city.

Let me glue lin eHllmple of the

Impllclltions of such lin IInlllysls

by compllrlng three muslclIl compositions: II Gregorilln chllnt, the [rolclI Symphony, lind com­poser Terry Riley'S "In 'C'."

\ 1

In the chllnt, we lire offered II

ulsion of unllnimlty: II single melodic line thicle with uoices of

euery timbre, without so much liS II rhythmic defection, reflects the QUlliity of MedleulIl IIgrllrllln

society.

In the music of 8eethouen II mllrleed tension Is IIppllrent liS

themes lind sub-plots ule for IIttentlon, yet the Whole Is clellrly domlnllted by II single powerfulldell - much, It would

seem, "lee the Renlllssllnce city .

Flnlllly , In the worle of Terry Riley , ellch of II series 0 f th ree­

lind four-note phrllses Is pillyed liS often liS ellch member of the

ensemble chooses, producing II slowly euolulng field of hllrmonlc

euents often chllrllcterlzed liS non-music. In fllCt, liS Is the

cllse In II hologrllphlc Imllge, the reilltionship of ellch unit of the piece to the whole Is IIbsolutely typiclIl. [llch moment Is th'e

whole lit the slime sCllle, euen , though the, whole Is IIrticulllted

In Its pllrts .

I belleue thllt los Rngeles hilS the QUllllties of the Riley piece.

Here , II grllb-bllg of style, conuenrence lind opportunity surrounds ellch IndluldulIl lllee II microcosm of the whole city , offering short-rllnge choice from

tllcley to flllmboYllnt, cllterlng to

lifestyles from monlelsh to rllfflsh, crelltlng opportunities euen II chllmplon self-stylist

could neuer eHhllusl.

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[onsum p tilJe, com pe tltIlJe, lind crenUue, the mythic nuenues of this city, lined with frees of nil species nnd I:lIleldoscoplc homes, hllue II logic born of the Indluld­

UIII. One mlln's fllntllsy Is IInother's rlllliity In n clnsh of IIduertlsements, decor, wide screens lind IIrchltecturlll brnundo which flicl:ers preposterously

ilion g tree-lined IIU enues with nil

the glludlness of screen gems.

Or do they1 Isn't this cllpsule re­

crention of erns long gone, tnl:en ns II whole, n differentinted style

unto itself1 Isn't It II distinctly post-modern IUHury to dwell In the midst of shnm relliity where the only consensus Is In dluer­slty1 Are Trigger's hoof prints

Just nnother hleroglyphlc1 At th e_[ hlnese_Then t er1

Los Angeles is n city committed to

Imnges, but nelJer to sources. An nduertlsement shows the bull: of

the new Beuerly [enter ns the ch npenu on n dressed-to -I:ill model. A Illter lid shows It in

stellmbollt drllg, complete with StIlCI:S. A few miles nWlly n IlIndlocl:ed nineteen-thirties [oca [oln bottling plant renders the stenmboat in stucco. A snucer­shaped restaurant rotating atop a

seuerely modern office slab bills Itself as n crenellated IIntlque. A

serious downtown hotel tnl:es "Things to [orne" too seriously, with comic results. A gigantic Man on Horsebacl: lights II cigllrette at the focus of n long aHls while

multi-million dollar homes 1001: on.

Who's I:iddlng whom1 Are the inhabitants of this place simply

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scenographic

gullible? Or are they nhle to roUJ

merrily through this shipUJreclc of

Icons ns though It UJere n Sunday

cruise? [uery UJeelcend nbnn­

doned corner lots In uacnnt

corners of cities-UJithln-the-city

UJith nnmes lilce [ngle Roclc,

Rlhnmbrn nnd Rrcndla are blasted

by the glnnt lights nnd motor

generntors of mobile furniture

shoUJrooms. Without the benefit

of so much ns n tent, UJlth NCR's snfely In the truclc, nnd UJhile soft

sculpture surrounds them on the

crumbling nsphalt, the omnipres­

ent Unlley houseUJlfes solemnly

confer UJith their designer

counterpnrts. They nre nfrald It UJon't go UJlth their UJall hanging.

The color Is UJrong. The color is

money. Surely the creUJ of the

Dlscouery could not hnue felt

more Incongruous hnd they

uncouered a grandfather cloclc rnther thnn n blaclc monolith in

thnt pit on the moon.

If one auoids freeUJays, UJhich

promise reassurance in the form

of n gunrnnteed destination, the surface of this planet l.R. is

endlessly reUJarding. It is an

en cycloped in of min i-g n rde n san r1

b n re I y t h ro It led po UJ e r bon t s. It

is lilce stepping off the Rue

Montparnasse to eHplore the bnclc nlleys of Pnris. No matter

thnt Melrose Auenue is 120 feet

UJ.lde, that it seems to carry more

traffic than the nutobahn, it is an

nlley nonetheless, and the

pattern of freeUJays nnd street grids is topologically, emotionally,

nnd urbanistically BeauH-Arts. No

UJonder Banham loued them.

FreeUJays focus traffic as if they

UJere lenses, beaming the cars

directly to the neHt interchange,

blitzing the nHls UJlth n mega­

dose of cnr-energy so Intense It

ouerUJhelms. Whnt UJould loom as

opportunities In the landscape of lesser cities - sites chnrged UJlth n

uleUJ, perhaps a prominent bend, a

ulsta - here are flung nt the

passing tide In n uolley of UJords

and images UJhlch ricochet from

billboard to billboard, dazzling UJlth a ulsual raclcet as uiolent as

a Prohibition shoot-out.

1 Question the fact that nobody

"eHplolts" those locntlons. Why

do so feUJ buildings address the

shifts In aHls UJhlch mnrlc sub­

diuislons long since anneHed? Rnd

then I remember that there nre

cars in front and behind. There Is

n blonde In that one, the radio Is

on, and in the distance a string of cobra-lilce lamps stretches IIlce a

uell ouer a parade of billboards.

And the carphone Is In my ear.

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In fac t, unless there Is som e particular fiwed asset out there

Iilee oil - which must be consumed

on the uery spot, euery bl'lcleYllrd

Is eWllctly eQulI1 to euery other

bllcleyard. And it Is the producer

sunning blJ the pool , surrounded

by telephones lind bileinl'd cuties

of either sew , who mlllees 1111 the

dellis .

The mllgnlficent iml'lges of cities

designed to emull'lte , lind euen mllgnlfy, the mllnlfold processes

of industry I'Ind culture lind crime

I'Ind Indulgence I'Ire not unlilee

Gl'linsborough's pllintings . They

trl'lnQuillze, mystify , lind roml'ln ­

ticize the uitlliity of lin liS of yet

uncongel'lled city which could be

getting you off.

In this contewt, phlJsiclIl ml'lnlpu ­

Il'Itlon of the gross city fllbric

seems superfluous I'It best. Presumptuous lind potentillily

dllmllging, cosmetic IIduentures

lilee the Bunleer Hill ewerci se seem

destined to I'Ippellr, Iilee tidied - up

office lobbies, whereuer deuelop ­

ers hllue 1'1 stlllee.

It might instelld be more melln­

ingful to IIddress the wily dislo ­

clltions lind distortions of the

bllsic city fllbric cl'ln I'Iccommo­

dllte eccentricities Iilee the Blue Whllie or the Brown [ow . Or one

might consider how the messl'lge­beeper, phone bl'lnles I'Ind ewpress

mllil hllUI! IIlrelldy crellted II

clJbernetic city . One might asle

how chain stores can be giuen significant roles which ewploit

their cumulatiue importance .

Los Angeles has already euolued

a unique tewture in Which these

elements are the principal

determinants . We are I'IlreadlJ

the beneficiaries of 1'1 metll - urban

stllte which offers proof - positiue

thl'lt scenogrl'lphy lind urbl'ln

function lire no longer mutul'IlllJ

ewclusiue . This condition suggests

thllt uncoupling the diagram from

the ewperience ml'ly be the

catalyst which ewpllnds our

definition of urban form to

Include ewplicitly scenographic

in ten t : we c II n c re II t e "1'1 goo d

shot."

The drellm ellch of us drellm s is

the locus of ellch indiuidul'll,

heating and cooling whole dis­

tricts in 1'1 dynamic, sensory,

alwllYs interactiue ewperience linleed to the fluid nllture of the

city itself. As designers, the

I'Irchitectural project which faces

us is to disassocillte ourselues

from the flwlltion on buildings lind

to Instelld loole in the rellruiew mirror.

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Page 10: Newsletter, January 1987

Themes no less than 'Earth' , "Air", 'Fire', and 'Water' will be the Forum's topics for investigation in a series of events entitled ·Suggestive Spaces" to be held this Spring. The cosmic elements will be transposed into the local vernacular via a range of discussions and tours that will

~ "Unveiling the Sky",

explore the fundamental structures of Los Angeles. Each event will take place in a space evocative of the topic to be discussed , so please note the change in location from meeting to meeting. Events are free for members, $7.50 for non­members.

a discussion of the function, role, and place of tall buildings in Los Angeles with Richard Keating (Design Partner, S.D.M.), Seo" Johnson (Design Partner, Pereira Associates), Mike Davis (Professor of Urban Geography, UCLA), and Thom Mayne (Partner, Morphosis; Professor,SCI-ARC). Tower Reception Room, Los Angeles City Hall, 200 N. Spnng SI. Monday, January 25, 7:30 p.m.

~ Tour of Sylmar Aqueduct Al lratlon Plant and a discussion (tentatively scheduled) with Bill Morrish, Professor of Architecture at USC, whose investigations of the L.A. water system were published in Issue #16 of Modulus Saturday, March 26, 1:00 p.m.

ruI Discussion of the Los Angeles landscape with Pamela Burton, landscape architect with Burton and Spitz April 23, time and place t.b.a.

~ Tour of Union Oil Refinery, Wilmington. Limited number of places available. Call 389-6730 for information and reservations. Time and place t.b.a.

THEORY TOWARDS ARCHITECTURE

The SCI-ARC Reading Group will meet biweekly to discuss the applica­tion of particular theories and modes of thinking to architecture. Occasional guest speakers will be invited to discuss both their own work and interpretations of the relationship between theory and architecture.

Schedule (Tentative)

Meetings wfll be held Monday evenings at 7 p.m. at SCI-ARC. The cost is $20 for Forum members and SCI- ARC faculty and staff. $30 for non­members, and $10 for students. Call Ann Bergrin (213-B21-3494) or Aaron Betsky {213-93B-6826j for more information.

E:J Discussion with Mark Wigley: "Derrlda". Monday, January lB.

IE:J Text: "Plato's Pharmakon", by Jacques Derrida. Monday, February 1.

~ Text: "Thinking", by Hannah Arendt. Monday, February 15.

~ Selected texts by Svetlana Alpers, Donald Preziozl, Norman Bryson. Monday, February 29.

EJ Text: The Order of Things, by Michel Foucault. Monday, March 14.

[J Discussion with Cornel West: "Post-Moderni sm" Monday, March 2B.

B:! Selected texts by Anthony Vidler. Monday, April 11.