Monday, March 28, 1966 Chaitra 7, 1888(Saka)

Third Series, Vol.LII, No.29

LOK SABHA DEBATES

TIURD SERIES

'Volunu Lll, 1966/1887-88 (Saka)

(Matd 16 to Z9t 1g66/P""""1to 25, 188710 Cltaitro 8, 1888 (SoAll)

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(Vol. UI 1"""*1 N"" z.1-30)

LOK SABHA SECRETARIAT NEW DELHI

CONTENTS

No. 29-Monday, March 28, 1~(6,'Chiua 7, 1f~8 (Sch)

Columns

Oral An~wers to Questions -

•starred Questions Nos. 802 to 804, 806 to 809 and 813 8077-81II

Short Notice Question No. 13 81J1-15

Written An•wers to Questions-

Starred Questions Nos. 805, 810 to 8r2, 814 to 826 and 828 to 831

linstarred Questions Nos. 2885 to 2889 and 2891 to 2930

Re: Oilling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importunce-

81I6-29

8r29-56

Health of Shri A. K. Gopalan .8r57, 826g-75

Re. Motions for Adjournment and Calling Attention Notices-

Bastar Incident .

Papers Laid on the Table Statement re. Food Aid by Canada :

Shri C. Subramaniam

Estimates Committee-Report of Sub-Committee on Defence Research and Development Labora-tory, Hyderabad.

. Re. Statement on Food Position in West Bengal Committee on Public Undertakings-

Twenty-first Report

Demands tor Grants-Ministry of Information and Broadcasting

Shri D. S. Chaudhuri Srui H. N. Mukerjec

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8r91-92

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•The sign+marked above the name of a member indicates that the queation was actually aaked on the floor of the House by him.

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• Shrimati Maimoona Sultan Shri Ansar Harvani Shri Prakash Vir Shastri Shri Kasinatha Dorai Shri Onkar Lal Berwa Shri Shree Narayan Das , Shri Sezhiyan Shri Hanumanthaiya Shri Kishen Pattnayak Shri S.C. Samanta Shri H. C Soy Shri S. M. Banerjee Shri A. N. Vidyalankar Shri J. P. Jyotishi Shri Basappa Shri Balmiki . Shri Hukam Chand Kachhavaiya Shri Raj Bahadur

Ministry of Defence Shri Krishnapal Singh

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LOK SABHA Monday, March 28, 1966/Chaitra 7,

1888 (Saka)

The Lok Sabha niet at two 1Jl,inu.tes pa.,t Eleven of the Clock

lMR, SPEAKER in the Chair]

Mr. Speaker: We are two minutes late

Shrl Hem Buua: I think you should say something about this lack of quorum every day in the begin-ing.

Mr. Speaker: The House should be mindful of its dignity. It does Rot look nice that I should wait here and thto How~e should start later than II O' Clock. I would request hon. Members that they should make it a point to be here by 11 O' Clock.

Shri Dwivedi.

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS

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from state to state. But there is defi-nitely a change i.n the attitude of the governments as well as the dis-trict officers regarding this matter about the wel!are of the jawans' families. There is more conschus-ncss among thcs public nt large and it is also reftected in the officers.

Shri Banca: Why should there not be some uniformity?

Shrl S. C. Samanta: May I know whether the district sailors and soldiers' board a1 it is at present constituted has on_ly civili~n autho· rities and if so are any enquiries made by them or throlllh ~·district magistrates?

Sbrl A. M. Thomas: 'fheso boards have got their own machinery for enquiry. Apart from that there are welfare officers. RecenUy after tne commencement of hcstilities with Pakistan WC' hav{' appointed some retired officers, majors and captains, released officers, to look after their welfare especially.

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Shri Swaran Sinch: I will require notice for it, because I have not got these details.

Sbrl P. C. Borooah: May I know whether Hindi units are ·proposed to be ~et up in the embassies and, if so, what Li;; thr provision made in the budget for the curn•nt Yl!ar?

Shrl Swaran Slnrh: I am sorry I hav\' nor got this.

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sections of British Guiana's popula-tion?

The Minister Of External Affairs (Shrl Swarm 131Dl'h): (a) At the con-clusion of the British Guina Constitu-tional Cor\ference held i~ London from November 2 to 19, 1965, it was announ-ced by the British Colonial Secretary that agreement had been reached on the form of an independent cons\itu-tion for British Guiana, "which pro-vides for a sovereign democratic State with a Governor General: appointed il;>y the Queen·~.

After independence, British Guiana will be known as Guyana.

Although the Constitution is still In a draft stage, it is expected that the independent State of Guyana will control its foreign and defence policies.

(b) The Draft Constitution which was di•cussed at the Londoh Constitu-tional Conference, contains in Chapter II provisions for equal rights to the various sections of British Guiana'• population.

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from time to timl! that this is some-thing which is not in accordance with our way of lo.:>kirlg" at -- d'emocratic institutions.

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Shrl D. N. MukerJee: Sir, l expect that in the name of non-intervention in other countries' affairs our Govern-ment has not given up entirely the anti-imperialist and anti-rolonial stand which has been th~ traditioonl feature of our policy. If they have given it up it is n different matter. If they have not given it up, how is it that in view of th" questions put by Shri Madhu Limaye and Shrl Kishen Pat-tnayak, which he did not deny-as a

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matter of fact, he said that there were those elements in it- we did not take up this anti-colonial aspect of the matter with the British Government when Britain and we are members of the Commonwealth which is supposed Ao be an association?

. Shrl Swaran Singh: 1 would like to ~assure the hon. Member, it a.my assur-ance at all is necessary, that we stead-fastly .adhere to our strong poliay of w-0rking against colonialism in a•Y form, in any shape and in any part of the world, whether the colonial pDWer is the British Government or any other ciJl>nlal power. On that there should be no doubt at all.

The second point is about our con-. veying to the British Government our

views about certain aspects of the . constitution which will be a basi• of transfer of power. We have made this position quite clear to the British

"Government from time to time. We have also publicly stated, on occasions

, more than one, our view o! the provi-~ion or proportional representation. I thjnk we have also made our position

·quite clear in the internatiomd gatherings about our position in rcla-

. tion to the introduction or these divi-sive for-.es which are generally adopt-ed when transfer of power takes place "Bnd which creates ~ permanent sC'hism between people of the countries which &:ain their frf'rdom.

Shrl Hem Barua: In view of the 1 fact that whenever she has granted Independence to her colonies, except in the case of lndiu, Britain has al-ways• tried to perpetuate a sort of racial segregation in the respective l'Ountries may I kno\'I." why is .t ti1at our Gov~rnmenl havt' not told Bri-tain in a very straightforward way that at this rate it would not be pos· ~ible for India to continue as a mem-ber of the Commonwealth?

Shrl Swar1111 Slnch: Thal is ~pparatc question altogetber.

Sbrl Hem Barua: How is it a dif-1erent question, Sir? He may ily thMt

it is a 'tight' question, but it cannot be a different question. 11 we really believe in the liquidation of coloni-alism and in the liquidation of racial segregation, we must be able to tell Britain, which is trying to perpetuate these forces, that we arc not going to tolerate these things and as a result of that we a:re not going to continue as a membe& of the Ct>rmnonw.utll.

Mr. Speaker: Now that he has made these observations, the Minister would considet' that.

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Shri Baj Bahadar: I repudia~ il do not know Of any paper which is

a Congress paper. . . . (Interruption).

Shri Rem &1'11a: I did not say, the Congress paper; I said, the paper with which !ilome Congressmen are connec-ted He i·•• (lnteTTUption).

Mr. Speaker: Order, order.

An hon. Member: 1t is unparlia-mentary.

Shrl Hem Baraa: It might be un-parliamentary .... (]ntarruptions). I

did not say that it was the Congress paper. He is putting words in my mouth ....

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questioru. Apart from that, when the Home Ministry is considering a schen'(~ which would be applicable to all Min-istries, in fairness and when there is 1!mme possibility of that be-ing ~e~tled in the near future, we have to await Wle recommc:idations of thp Hon:e Ministry also.

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l!lhrt ~t GllP&a: What are the baste polnta ol. liift'erence between the Interim machU>ery which is now pro-posed and the previow negotiatin~ maehlnery whi'* e~te\I prior to !NO?

Sbrl A. M. Tbomas: There was pro-vision for voluntary arbitration under the previous scheme. Under the pre-sent scheme, the subjecta that would be dealt with by cOmpuloory arbitra-tion would be with regard to pay and allowances, weekly hours of work,

len\le of a class or grade of employee-a, etc Only. such matters will be refer-red for arbitration.

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Shri A. M, Tbomas: As far as the Second Commission is concerned, their recom111endation5 relate to both indus-tri: .. .tl c::-iployeC's as well as non-indus-trial employees. In the case of indus-trial employees. they had liberalised the leuve cntitlemmt and other things, but in the C"ai:;e of non-indus-tria I employees, there was n certain amount of dclibd as an award. If 1he I"L"Commendations are not acceptNI, then what will be the :sanctity of an award?

Shri A. M. Thomas: Normally, we would certainly like to implement all the recommendations of the Pay Commission. That is what we were doing also. But the hon. Member perhaps did not hear whnt I said. The Pay OcmuniS9i-0n them9elvd,, while they 1i heraliscd lhe thing with regard to o:ie sector, had deliberalised it with regard· to ariother sector; so, Government thought that It was bet-

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components in terms o! number of items are made in India for Gnats, but certain items like instruments and ac-cessories have still to be imported. An Aircraft Accessories Division has recently been sanctioned in HAr. Bangalore. W.hen this g0ing manufactured under licence. First it was from Holland; now that company has been merged in Hawker Slddeley Aviation. In fact, as far as their parts are concerned, we are manufacturing even perhaps cent per cent. But thal company itself is dependent on certain -other parties ;for supplying r.crtain parts. We will have to import those. That aspect may also be kept in mind.

Shrl Kami Sln1hJI: The hon. Min-i•ter knows perfectly well that ns long as we import one single screw and that screw is withheld from aid l-0 Indio, our aircraft-the whole fleet of the air force-can be held up at the most crucial moment. Ia there any proposal to ~t the private ""ctor to help in the production of these parts?

Sbri A. M. Thomu: I have •!ready stated in the beginning ttlat we are keeping that aspt'Ct In mind. That 3048

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In fact, in these matters to the extent possible, we would like to shan. with the House all the informa-tion. But is it worthwhile to give details of stockpile with regard to components and other things? I do not think it proper.

Shrl IDdraJlt Gupta: Are th"8e im-ported accessories and components for the Gnats obtained as an integral part of the original contract with the Armstrong Siddeley firm or· are they obtained from time to time by com-merria l purchases, and may I know whether the supply has been steadily continuing since the Indo-Pak. war or it ha• been held up?

Shrl A. M. Thomas: It is as per commercial purchase that we a.re getting these. At the time of the lndo-Pakistan war, there were some difficulties because these were all put under licence and th.ere has been a great deal of difficulty in getting clearance of licences. But now, as is known, they have lifted that ban, although it is still kept under licence.

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Shri D. C. Sharma: Sbrl P. &. Cbaluaverti:

Will the Minister of Information aad Jlrm"ea•llll' be pleased to state:

(a) whether a scheme has been drawn up for development of televi· Ilion including the setting up of 16 to 18 T.V. Centres with a number of relaying stations in India;

(b) if so, the broad out-lines and cost of the scheme; and

(c) the locations of the television centres to be set up?

The Deputy Minister In tile Minis-try of Information and Broadcastlnr (Shrlmatl Nandlnl Satpatl): (a) to ( c). The matter is under considera-tion and details are being worked out.

Shri P. C. Borooah: By what time is this scheme going to be implement-ed and to what percentage of India's population will tilis TV service! be available under the scheme?

The Minl..ter of Information aad Broadcasting (Shri Raj Bahadur): We have got three proposals, one by th~ Ministry, wh.i.ch has been incorpo':'at-ed in the Fourth Plan proposal•, which envisages the setting up ot television centre• in Bombay, Cal-cutta, Madras and Kanpur and cxpan. sion of Delhi, with possible extension to Ahmedabad and Srinagar. The Bhagavantam Committee hag advised that in the next 7 to 10 years, 16 station• should be set up. The Chanda Committee has advised that 113 town• and about 2i lakh villages should be covered. We have to decide, lak-ing into account our ftnan~ial limita-tions, how far we can go in thj' matter.

Shrl P. C. Boromh: May I know on what basis the location of theao television centre! will be t11ken up, whether there is any chance of Northeast India getting its share, and lf IO, what?

Shri x.J ~Ill': I think :.fter these four centres which have bet?D incorporated iD the Fourth Plan, tbc next priority is for all the State capitals, one .c1111tre in each State. and in that particular matter, no discrimi-nation will be shown.

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fortunately, in some cases fortunat.·ly I should •ay, those who were deciar-cd missing and even killed have \,,(,en found to be in the list or prisoners of war and repatriated. The total num-ber is about 16 or 17 people like thnt. When the number of persons killed, wounded and missing runs to thous-ands. I think the number 17 is not much. I am sorry for this also be.-cause even this percentage is not good because we have to be very careful in each and every case, becausc th~ feeling and the sentiment o! the family members are involved. I have issued necessary instructions to see that no •ucb mistake is repeated.

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in!onned 111 missing, he is treated 111 missing for a minimum perid of 1i.x months.

Sbrl latlerjlt 'Gupta: That · perfod is over.

8hri Y. B. ChavB.ll: In case there 1s no further information coming after six months, intimation is sent that he is missing, believed killed. This the procedure that we fellow. After nine months, it is confirmed that he is kill-ed. That is the procedure .that we follow.

Sbri Hem Bal'ua: The Home Minis-ter of Kashmir has revealed in the floor of the House that he knew that the Pakistani infiltrators got into the State some three years back and he &l.so revealed • that Pakistani army officers visited the State and their whereabouts could not be known. In that context, may I know whether thv Government is convinced by this, that the wrong in!ormat10n supplied to tho families of the jawans is the outcome or i~ the result of the general chain of incompPtence so far displayed?

Shrl Y. R. Cha van: This is another type of question that he has raised. I would certainly think tpn\ '\his is cer-tainly not a good thing. We will have to lake note of' ii.

Shri S. M. Baaerjee: :,r,i:ay I know whether the hon. Mlllimr 141 · aware that only one letter has been sent to the kith and kin of the these jawans of ~rmy officers 11nd that was .also in the month of Novembe~. 1965, . and after that no intimation has been cnt~ l wou.kl like to know whether o;:m'.y.o. !Jlep has beep taken to lnfor!I) tl\em: of the correct posi.tion or the p01itibnl from day to day?

, Shri ~;:ii,.:Qha_van: After six months . a"' o,vef, , "'ii;.:. will have to inform ~very member of the family who is involved in thLc; case. We will tak~ necesu.ry ~ ,about it.

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WRI'ITEN ANSWERS TO QUESTTONS

People of lndlan Oril'lll ID Zamlbar

•805. Shrimatl Savitri · Nlgam: Will the :r.'..inister of ~ Aftalrs be pleased to state:

(a) whether any diP!omatic ateps have been taken to ensure that proper treatment is meted out to the people of Indian origin living in Zanzibar by the Tanzanian Government; nnd

(b) if so, the details thereof? The Mlnlsler Of State ID the Mla-

lstry of EUernal A.lralr1 (Sbrl Dlnesh Singh): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) Our High Commissioner in Tanzania has taken up from time to time questions relating to citizenship, payment of pensions to Civil Servants, and the takeover of properties of persons of Indian origin with the Government of Tanzania.

Pension payments to Zanzibori pensioners have now been resumed and the citizenship issue is under nctive consideration of the Tanzanian authorities.

Study or Problems or Defence Per-SOllDfll In Forward Areas

•810, Shri Vishwa Nath Pandey: Will the Minister of Derenee be pleased to atate:

(a) whether it is a fact that the Defence Scientists have gone to the forward areas of the country to study the problems of the Defence personnel there:

(b J the forward areas which the1 visited and studied;

(c) whether they have submitted their report to Government; end

(d) the reaction of Government thereto?

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The Minl9ter ol Sliate In the Min· 151.ry ol Defence (Sbrt A. M. ThOmasl: (a) and (b). A number of

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Command. Ev en its limited role a& a holding depot on behal1 of other depots ha• come to an end.

Manulacture of War SblpS

0 814. Sbri Ramachandra Ulaka: Sb.ri Dhuleshwar M..,na: Shrl Hukam Chand

Kachhavaiya:

Will the Minister of Defence be pleased to state:

(a) w!icther there is any proposal lo ·build war ships with foreign collaboration;

(bl the types of ships proposed to be manufactured; and

( c) the names of finris--w11h which talks are at present going~ on?

The Minister of State In the Min-!'ltry of Defence ( Shrl A. M. Thomas): (a) to (c). A Collaboration Agreement was concluded in Decern~ bcr 1964 with M/s. Vickers-Armstrong (Ship-builders) Ltd., and M/s. Yarrow &· Co. Lta. of U.K., for the construction Of Leander Class Fri-1tates at Mazagon Dock Ltd., Bombay.

ltelaxatlon of Censorship RegulaUons

0 815, Shri D. ll. l'uri: Will the MinisU!r of Information and Broad-casting be pleased to s1ate:

(a) whether Government have any proposal under consideration to relax

the existing censorship regulations for foreign nnd Indian films; and

(b) i~ not, the reasons therefor!'

The MIDlster of Information and Broadcasting tShri Raj Bahadar): (a) und (b). No difficulty ha; so far been l'ither experienced by the Board in the certification of foreign and Indian films or brought to the notice nf the Government in regard to the operation of the existing censorslliP reguL::..tions. As such it is not eon~ indered necessary to take up the question of revisi' 1 of these rulel, for the present.

Viet.um

•111. Shrl Bameshwar Tantla: Sb.rl l'. Venllatasabbalah:

Will the Minister of Ex&ental !Uraln be pleased to state:

(a) whether it is a !act that the Gov-ernment of Canada is considering a proposal in consulttion with the Gov-ernment of India on the role the Inter-national Control Commission could play to bring about the cessation of hostilities in Vietnam;

(bl if oo, the details of the proposal; and

(c) the eonclusions arrived at in the mo.ttcr?

The Mini.!lter ol State in the Minis-try of External Mairs ( Shrl Dlne!lh Singh): ( 3) The Government of Canada have be specific details were worked out. The proposal is not being pressed.

Netajl Ja7anti

•817 Sb.ri Harl Vishnu J[amath: Shri S. M. Banerjee:

Will the Minister of hl!ormatlon and Broadcastlnr be pleased to refer to the discussion on the Constitution (Am-endment) Bill on the 3rd December, 19115 and state:

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The Minister of llllormatlon and Broadcutlai' (Shrl. Baj Bahadurl: (a) No, Sir.

( b) According to the adv1ce of the Central Programme Advisory Commlt-tea attached to the Ministry of Infor-mation and Broadcasting, given in 1961, Netaji J ayanti Celebrations are to be held every 5 years. But in punuance of my predecessor's statement in the House in December, the advice of the Central Programme Advisory Com-mittee will be sought at its next meet-ing in April, and a decision will be taken in the light thereof.

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Distu.rbanoes ID Mizo Hill District

0 11Zl. Shrl C. I[. BhaUacbar71a: Sbrl Bari Vlsllna Kamath: Shrl P. C. Borooah:

Will the Minister of External Atralrs be pleased to state:

(a) whether his attention has been drawn to a news bulletin in Bengali announced by the Pakistan Radio on the 6th March, 1966, describing the disturbances in the Mizo di.strict of Assam as a "War of Liberation";

( b) whether he has taken any step• to tell Pakistan that this is highly Im-proper and entirely inconsistent with the Tashkent declaration; and

(c) if so, Pakistan's reply thereto?

The Minister of External Atralrs (Sardar SWllJ'IUI Singh): (a) to (c). Government have seen press reports to thi5 effect, but no authentic informa-tion is o.vailable as to whether ~uch a broadcast was actually made. Never-lhcless, thfa matter was taken up with the Pakistan authorities who denied th(• use of nnv such expression hy Pnkistan Radio.

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Shri DaJI:

Will the Minister of Defeace be pleased to state:

(a) the further progn,s• made to manufacture Avro-748 in Kanpur;

(b) whether it is a fact that th• speed of production is slow;

( c) if so, the steps taken to speed it up; and

(d) the number of Avros manufac-tured during 1965?

The MlDlster ol State I.a the Mln19U7 of Defence (Shri A, M. Thomu): (a) to (d). In answer to Unstarred Qn. No. 60 on the 16th August 65, it was slated that the production of aircraft at Kan-pur was somewhat behind schedule and that the delay had been caused by non-receipt of components from abroad as well as to some extent to a smaller rate of build up of te

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istan Air Force, Marshal Nur Khan, recently v.i.l!ted New Delhi to have talks w:ith their counterparts in India in pursuance of the Tashkent Declara-tion; and

(b) if so, the result of the talks so fnr?

The Mlnl9ter of Defence (Shrl Y. B. Chavan): (a) Yeo, Sir, from 14th to 16th March 1966.

( b) These talks were in continuation of the talks held at Peshawar in Feb-ruary 1966 during the visit of our Chief of the Air Staff. A statement in-dicating the decisions reached aJ a re-sult of these talks is lnid on the Table of th" House. [P;accd in Libra~u. See Nv. LT-5n11;;ouj.

Withdrawals 11'0llll Chhamb-Jauriu Areas

•829. Sbrl Bukam Chand Kacbbaval1a:

Shrl Praltub Vlr Shastri:

Will the Minister of Defenc• be pleased to slate:

(a) whether any delegation from Jammu and Kashmir State hns met Government;

(b) whether Government have re-ceived some memoranda whereir.. it ha1 been slated that while withdrawing from Poonch, Chhamb and Jaurian areas, the Pakistani troops told the peo-ple there that the Hindus should not construd pucca houses there as they would be returnina to those places after some days;

( c) •whether the withdrawing Pak-istani troops raised anti-Indian slogans and some of them even wrote on the walls also; and

(d) il so, the reaction of Govern-ment in this regard?

The Mlnlster of Slate ;n th• Minis-try of Defence : (a) to (d). No delegation from

Jammu and Kashmir State or memo-randa have been rrceiv2d '>y the Government of India relating to the

subject indicated in part (b) of the Question. While some anti-Indian slogans were found scribbled on t.he walls of some buildings in the Chhamb Sector, no report has been received by Gov»rnment about •logans raised by Pakistoni troops while withdraw-ing. There was a vacuum for some time in the areas from which Pakis-tani troops withdrew and it is not likely that slogans, if an}' were rais-ed, could have come to notice.

Shooting at an Army Helicopter by Mi2o Bo.9tlles

•830, Sbrl Harl Vishnu Kamatb: Will the Minister of Defence be pleased to refer to the statement made in reply to Call Attention No-tice over the Mizo Hills situation on the 8th March, 1966 and to questions raised thereon and state:

(a) the circumstances under which an Army He lie opt er carrying the G.0.C. Eastern Command, was snip-ed at, and shot by Mizo hostiles; and

(b) the details of the incident and lhc damage caused th'erchy?

The Minister of Defence ( Sbrl Y. B. Chavan): (a) and (b). There was no sniping at or shooting of an IAf' Heli-copter. However on the 4th March 1966, an aircraft was on a reconnais-sance-cum-supply dropping Jnission with the GOC-in-C, Eastern Com-mand on board. While on its supply-dropping run, the aircraft was fired at by the hostiles from the ground. The aircraft received some bullet hits but returned to lhe airfield safely.

Ware Board for Cantonmeat Board Emplorees

•au. Sbrl s. M. Banerjee: Shrt Daji:

Will the Minister of Defence be pleased to state:

(a) whether it is a fact that Can-tonment Board employees throughout the country have demnnded th~

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Unit in collaboration with the State in Kerala State with Norwegian Government and the matter is being collaboration has been tlnali!ed; and investigated.

(bl to (d). Do not arist• at this stage.

Radios tor Mysore Puic~u

Z888. Sbrl Linea Bed4r: Will the Minister ol IntormaUon 1111d Broad· castinir be pleased to state:

(a) the number -Ql rural "Droadcaat-ing sets supplied to the village Panchayafs ·1n Mysore State so farj

( b) the dmai>i! maC!e by State Government so far to meet the needs of the village Panchayats;

(c) the extent to which the demand ha..-; been met;

( d) the cost of each rural radio set; and

( e) how much ot n. has to be paid by thP Village Panchayat and bow much by the Central and State Governments?

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Pw.bllc sector Inclutrles ucler Defenee Mhll9UJ

Z89Z. Shrl Siddlah: Will the Min-ister of Defence be pleased to state:

(a) the names of the Public Sector Undertakings and other limited com-panies under the control of his Ministry;

(b) the number of employees working in class I, II, III & IV cate-gories in each of them as on the 1st March, 1966;

(c) whether reSl!rvations have been made for Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes in each · of them; and

(d) i1 10, the number of ScheduJed Castes and Scheduled Tribes in each category as on the 1st March, 1966?

The Mlnlster of State ID the Min-istry of Defence

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come forward to manufacture rural radio• at very cheap rates; and

(b) If w, the detail• of the scheme?

The Minister of State In the Minis-try of Defence (Shrl A. M. Thomas): (a) No, Sir.

(b) Doc~ not arise.

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IdeoiOrY Dlvfslon

ZOOl. Sbrt Yasbpal Slnrb: Sbrt Barri: Sbrl Klshen Pattnayak: Sbrl Ram Sewak Yadav: Dr. Ham Manobar Lobla:

Will the Minister ot Defence be pleased to refer to the reply given to Unstarred Question No. 767 on the 8th March, 1965 and state the nature ot studies and the extent ot progress made towards evolving a test tor assessing the state of morale of the Armed Forces?

The Minister of State In the Minis-try ot Defence (Shrl A. M. Thomas): The Ideology Division has completed a number of studies related to the morale of our Armed Forces and allied issues. Some other studies nre under way. It would not ,be in the public interest to give details concern-ing these studies.

International Co-operation Year

290Z. Sbri D. C. Sharma: Will the Minister of External Affairs be pleased to state:

(a) whether it is a fact that a large sum was provided for celebration of International Co-operation Year in India during 1965;

(b) if so, how much;

(c) the details of the expenditure;

(d) whether a statement on the celebrations will be laid on the Table;

(e) whether it is a fact that a num-ber of non-Government organisations had' come forward to join hands In making the celebrations more success-ful but their offers were not accepted;

(f) if so, the reasons therefor; and

(g) whether there are any proposais to sustain the enthusiasm and spirit of the International Co-operation Year in the years to come?

Tbe Mlnlster of E:o:ternal Affairs (Sbrt swaran Slnsbl: (a) and (b). During the year 1965-86, a sum of

Rs. 31,500 was sanctioned for the Im· plementation of certain projects ap-proved by the Indian National Com-mittee for the International Co-opera-tion Year.

(c) and (d). Two statements are placed on the Table of the House. [Placed in Library. See No. LT-5919/ 66].

(e) and (1), No, Sir. In fact non-official organisations played a leading part in the celebration of the Inter-national Co-operation Year.

( g) It is expected that various organisations will continue to make efforts to sustain the spirit of the International Co-operation Year.

Safety-belt alonr the Border

2903. Shri Karnl SlnsbJI: Will the Minister of Defence be pleased to state:

(a) whether Government propose to set up a safety-belt immediately ail along the border in view of the situa-tion arising out of the Indo-Pak con-flict on the border in Rajasthan; and

(b) if ~o. the details thereof?

The Minister of Defence (Shrl Y. B. Cbavan): (a) and (b). The implica-tions of the question of the hon. Member are not clear. However. measures for the safety of the Rajas-than border, as indeed of all our borders, are duly taken and kept under review from time to time.

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(b) ·The number of applications granted during the Slime period was 65,983.

(c) The .number of applications under . consideration, irrespective of the dates of receipt, at the end ol February, 1966, was 42,980,

Relildent Miasion in MOOColla

2908. Shrl Vlshwa Nath Pandey: Will the Minister of bternal lllfalrs be plea1ed ·to r.efer to the reply given to Unstarred Question No. 1837 on the 6th December, 196S and state:

(a) .whether the ·queotien of open-ing a Resident Mission in Mongoli•a has since been considered; and

·tb) .if sD, the decision taken in the n1atter?

The Minister of EJ

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( b) 18 vehicles and 1 trailer were lost and 43 vehicles were damaged on account of enemy action, out of the vehicles requisitioned. None of the vehicles hired or volunteered was lost or da!llaged.

( c) The following amounts have so .far been paid: -

(i) Rs. 67,96,085.94 in respect of hire charges for vehicles hired or volunteered;

(ii) Rs. 7,14,910.96 as compensa-tion for use of vehicles re-quisitioned.

(iii) Rs. 1,943.94 for requisitioned vehicles damaged for reasons other than enemy action.

Compensation for the requisitioned vehicles and also for such vehicles lost or damaged due to enemy action has to be assessed and paid by the civil authorities and the amount thereafter recouped from the Defence Estimates. This assessment has not yet been completed and the concerned State Governments have been re-quested to expedite settlement.

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The Minister of External Allaln (Shri Swaran Singh): (a) No, Sir. The decision applies to all member States.

(b) and (c). The economy elfected by the revised scales of reimbursement of travel expenses would result ID a marginal saving of $ 250,000 out of a total U.N. budget of $ 120,000,000. Since Member States contribute to the U.N. budget according to their capa-city to pay, the benefit which would accrue to the developlni countrleo aa a result of the consequent reduction In their contributions to the U.N. budget would be more than oft'set by the addi-tional expenditure they will have to incur on provision of appropriate travel facilities to their delegates to the U.N. As most of these countries are located far from U.N. headquar-ters the decision tends to discriminate against them. It was on theoe grounda tbat India had certain reservations In regard to the adoption of' the cevlaed procedure.

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(b) if so, the steps taken by Gov-ernment in the matter?

The Minister of External Alfaln (Shrl Swaran SlnJb): (a) No, SJr.

(b) Does not arise.

De-reqlllsltion of a Plot Jn ValcaHa

29%1. Dr. Ranen Sen: Shrl D1Den Jllbattaeharya:

Will the Minister of Def- be pleased to state:

(a) whether it is a fact that the owners of the 'K site' plot ot Tolly-gunje, Calcutta are repeatedly de-manding de-requisition of their land held by the Defence Department for the last twenty years; and

(b) If so, Government'1 reaction thereto?

The Mlnlster m Defence (Sbrl Y. B. Cbavan): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) The landowners have been In-formed that the land Is now aurplua to defence requirements and wlll be de-reqlsitioned after displaced persons from East Pakistan, who are in un-authorised occupation of the land since September. 1948, have ~n evicted. The qu.,,.tion of evicting the squattera Is under the consideration of Govermnent.

In case however the landowners affected by any requisition order are

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prepared to accept the return of the entire land along with SQUatters and deal direetly with the squatters and further agree not to claim any com-pensation for damage, if any, done to the property during the period it re-mained with Government. Government have no objection to de-requisition such plot of land. The landowners wllo have represented to Government have been informed accordingly.

PoL•on in Foot! of N.C.C. Cadet.

2922. Shri Bart Vishnu Kamatb: Will the Minister of Defence be p!ea's-cd to refer to the reply given to Un-starred Question No. 475 on the 21st February, 1966 regarding poison in Food of N.C.C. cadets and state:

(a) whether the investigation has since been completed; and

(b) if so, with what result?

The Minister of . State In tbe Minl.o-try of llef~n~e (Sbrl A~ M, 'lbomas):

(a) Investigation of the case by the Police has been completed.

(b) It is understood that a charge-shcct against the accused is being filed in Court. shortly.

Manufacture of JWckets

29ll3. Sbrt D. C. Sbanna: Sbrt Llnra Reddy: Sbrl Ram Barkb Yadav:

Will the Prime MIJUs&er be pleased to slate:

(a) whether it is a fact that the first India made rocket used for space re-search will roll out of the assembly plant before June. 1966;

(b) if so, the special features of the rocket under manufacture; and

(c) whether Space aci~nce and Technology Centre will be set up at Veli Hill near Thumba?

T.be Prime llltolster and. Mlolster of Atomic Enercy h: Will the Minister of Iatornw.tlw and Broad-castlnr be pleased to st~te:

(a) whether two new transmitters of the All-India ltadio have been set up at Shillong and at Pasigllllt (NEFA); and

(b) if so, their respective transmit-ting capacity?

The llllnl9ter of, IntcnmaUoo and Broadcastl,nc (Sbri_a.,j ISllbadur): (a) Yes, Sir. ·

(b) The transmitters set up at Shillong and Pasighat are both Jow-power medium-wave transmitters which will serve the respective cen-tres and their environs.

National Defence Academy Examblattons

21125. Sl>rt P. R. Cbaluavertl; Sbri P. C. Borooab: Sbrt s. Ill. Banerjee:

Will the Minister of Defence be pleased to refer to thP reply given to Unstarred Question No. 1,512, on the 29th November, 1965 and state:

(a) whether it has since been decid-ed to revise the minimum qualifica-tions for eligibility for admission to

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custody of the Indian High Commis-sion in Burma; and

(b) the progress so far made for repatriation of these assets?

The Minister of External Allair. (Shrl Swarao Singh): (a) Eight pack-ages of jewellery are still in the cus-tody of the Indian Embassy.

(b) The owners can claim thei~ jewellery at any time.

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RE: CALLING ATTENTION TO MATTER OF URGENT PUBLIC

IMPORTANCE

HEALTH OF Sum GoPALAN

Mr. Speaker: I have received a Calling Attention Notice from Dr. Lohia and others about the health of Shri A. K. Gopalan. Is the Minister ready with any statement?

The Mlnlster of Rome Allah-ii (Shl"I Nanda): In the afternoon, I shall give the information.

Mr, Speaker: The statement would be made in the afternoon,

Sbrt Hem Barua (Gauhati): By what time, Sir?

Mr. Speaker: At what time could It be made?

Sbri Nauda: 5 O'clock.

An hon. Member: What is it about, Sir?

Mr. Speaker: About Shrl Gopalan's health. Will 4 O'clock be all right?

Shl"I Nanda: Yes, Sir.

Mr. Speaker: At 4 O'clock, the sta-tement would be made.

12.09 hrs.

RE. MOTIONS FOR ADJOURNMENT AND CALLING ATTENTION

NOTICES

BASTAR INCIDENT

Mr. Speaker: I have got six Ad-journment Motions and 18 Calling Attention Notices about the Baster incident. Of course. the matter is serious and Is of urgent Importance as well. But I am not satisfied so far that this is the Centre's responsi-bility. Shri Lohia may satisfy me on that point. He need not go into other matters.

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[Shri H. N. Mukerjee] the responsibility of the Government Of India is very definitely attracted over what has happened in Bastar. During his life time, the former Maha-raja of Ba.star was subjected to all kinds of activities on the part of the Government of India, rightly or wrongly, and now that he has died in very deplorable, almost dastardly, circumstances, surely it devolves on the Government of India to give some explanation for the situation that pre-vailed in that part of the country which has Jed to these events happen-ing. It also stands to reason that where our tribal people are concern-ed-and in that part of Madhya Pra-desh there is a contiguous region where thry Jive in very large num-bers-since they have been known to be devoted to the person of the late Maharaja of Bastar, it becomes a very serious matter, particularly In view of the Chief Minister of Madhya Pradesh having already stated that it was some thing in the nature of a Mizo or Naga upsurge.

Shrl Bade (Khargone): No, no.

Shrl B. N. Mukerjee: That was so. We saw it in the papers and we can only proceed on the basis of informa-tion which is supplied to us by repu-table press agencies.

The Maharaja of Bastar also used to be in the receipt of privy purse payments from the Government of India and when somebody who be-longs to that category of Indian prin-ces wto at one time enjoyed a certain position tn the country, the hangover of which has not gone altogether-surely, the Government of India Is very responsible for it-when a per-son belongs to an order of people who were in a special category, and that Is a fact of life, and when such a per-son dies in this kind of circumstances, surely something ought to be done. But the more important consideration is that our tribal people are con-cemed and in re11ard to the tribal

people this Government has shown such egregious failure in execution and implementation of Its policies and this very poignant circumstance, melancholy circumstances gives us an occasion for discussion of this matter.

Shrt Banumanthalya (Bangalore city): Sir, I want to submit to you two points. The first point is that this is a matter coming under the rule of sub iudice.

Some hon. Members: No, no.

Shri 1111.numanthalya: So far as the tragedy is concerned, all of us dee-ply regret it and we do not want such things "to happen. But the ques-tion is who is at fault or whose res-ponsibility it is. The State Govern-ment has already appointed an In-quiry Commission.

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[Shri Nath Pai) no Indian patriot should use about any other Ihdian-1ellow Indians, twelve of them, were killed. We tried to raise it and your worthy predeces-sor, 'Shri Ayyangar, was Jn the Chair, Shri Lal Bahadur ·Shastri was the ·Hbme Minister. The matter ·was al-lowed to be diseusSed, ttot on an ad-journment motion, but the rigidity of the rule was not so strictly enforced against us because the matter was too serious. Shri Shastri came for-ward and said that he shared the an-xiety and would like to m:ike a state-ment because the killing of twelve Indians was not to be spurned aside .and avoided in this l'!ousc 'by taking shelter beHind the 'Indian Penal Code ·end some provisions of the Constitution 'That is a precedent which should have the sancity and tho authority of a

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The •econd important thing is the admission of the Chief 'Minister of Madhya Priadesh who himself says tbat conditldns bordering on re'bel!ion prevail in India. This !s the admission of the Chief Minister for the justillca-1ion of the hcfnous murder of twelve men. Then, that is the just'i'fication for the Hnu•e to interlere and the au-thority j!'; the admiSslon of such con-ditions prevailing on the 'port of the Chi

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sided' The Prime Minister. before leaving the country, expressed this hope, "When I am abroad, I hope, nothing wHI go wrong in this coun-try." Do they think that this will enhance our prestige abroad when the world headlines will be, a Maha-ra; i massacred in his Palace? Will it enhance the prestige and the image of India? I want that this House be given a fair opportunity to discuss th15 affair. This trigger-happy men-tality has to bt~ C'Urhcd. Thr rC"p~y from that side should not be that there is going to be an inquiry into this affair. We want that inquiry so far as this particular episode is can .. cerned. But we want a wider in-quir j, over and above the judicial in-quiry i!lto this firing and ruthles::: killings which makes us hang down our heads in shame, into what had been happening in Bastar and what forces had been in operation to eli-minate and liquidate this man who hed been wronged. I hope Mr. Nanda will not try to take shelter behind this rule or that rule but will boldly say, "We will face any In-quiry, not only this judicial inquiry but a wider inquiry."

Some hon. Members ~o••-Mr. Speaker: I cannot allow all.

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•ions of Inquiry Act has been appo-inted to enquire into the matter. A &itting Judie of the Madhya Pradesh High Court has been nominated by the Chief Justice of Madhya Fradesh lligh Court and appointed by the Madhya Pradesh Government to con-duct the enquiry. (Interruptions).

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Re. Ba.star MARCH 28, 1966 Incident

[Shri Frank Anthony] the Fifth schedule says, and this is a scheduled area-than a fortiarari it will extend to telling them, "we want an enquiry which will be completely

• above suspicion, we will tell you whom you . should appoint, we will tell ypu preciaely what you should do to ensure that the enquiry is ab-solutely above any suspicion, you· re-move all your local ofllc:ials". There would be an abdication of responsi-bility if the. Ce1:1tre did not auume this direct responaibility in this mat-t&!'?

Shrl Swell (Assam-A!ltonomous Districts): May a tribal Member of this House say a word in this matter?

Mr. Speaker: He will sit down.

Shri Swiell: I have been sitting. am trying to catch your eye. I have not beftl given any permission to say a word on it.

Mr. SM&ker: How can every Mem-~r exp\)ct an opportunit)'? I cannot allow every Member.

Shl'I S-11: I have tabled an ad-journment motion. Nobody from my group has spoken. I am a tri ba 1 Member of this House.

Mr. Speaker: Order, order. He will kindly sit down. I will see if I can give him an opportunity, but he will •it down drat.

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Shit N. C. Chatt•Jee (Burdwan): WllJ.the hon. Home Minister coMmuni-cat" to the Madhya Pradeah govern-ment that in the widtt interest of the nation, they shollld .not take 1'P any rigid attitude The Home minister •hould nominate a member of the S!lp-reme ourt judiciary or an ex-chief Justice. The other d&Y Justice .Gajen-dragadkar retired from the Chief Justiceship of the Supreme Court of India and he oan easily be nominated.

I am quite sure the whole of India wo!lld accept his judgment; that ·wn1 be completely above any •uspicion or any retlection of any kind. That will inspire people's conlldence (lnterrup-tiom.)

Shrl S.well: You have been pleased to accept that the responaibilit;y of the _central government is to the extent of issuing direcions to the state govern-ment with regard to the administra-tion of . these acheduled areas. 'l'hia matter of Bastar has •been before the country for the last many years and recently there has been q!lite some agitation. Tl!e ex-ruler ot Bastar, I think, has drawn the attention of the central government to the danger of his personal life. There has been aglta. lion about food and he has been on fast for so many days. Now, has the central government taken cognisance of this fact and have they issued any directions to the Madhya Pradesh gov-ernment with regard to this matter? If they have not issued any direction, it ha• been a clear failure on the part ot the Central government in not having issued any direction and hav-ing allowed the situation to develop in this manner. I have given an answer to the question you put to Mr. Frank Anthony. The central goverr.ment by not having issued any direction to the .state government with regard to his area has failed in its duty.

Shrl Na&h Pai: When I submitted to you earlier, I was handicapped be-cause I did not have a particular paper. You .know how difficult it is to get quick references in this Holl8e though under you conditions have a little Improved. I should like to point out to yo!l that th~ question whether the area is schMuled or not Is an im-portant question. Under a notification ot the Madhya Pradesh government, Ba.star i• a scheduled area.

Mr. S~er: I will ask the Minis-ter whether he agrees -.ith thD.

Sbri Nath Pai: Let me conclu~. If it I• a 11eheduled area, the queotion

Re. BG3taT CHAITRA 7, 1888 (SAKA) Incident 8186

arises. 1 am quoting now the autho-rity of the Madhya Pradesh govern-ment. They say: 'The M.P. govern-ment has declared the following all •cheduled areas in Raipur division, Bastar ...... "The whole of Bastar dis-trict is there and then other areas are given. Once we accept that it is a sche-duled area, t~ it becomes clear. The last sentence which my friend did not read is this: "The executive power of the Union shall extend to giving direc-tiona to the 1tate .... " The word is 'llhall'.

Mr. Speaker: They had these powers?

8hri Nath PaJ: Yes, and they failed to exercise thoae powers.

Mr. Speaker: There is one question about the past action or past events. The hon. Members might sit down. They did not consider it necessary to issue any instructions or any direc-tions. That is one thing. Secondly, Mr. Anthony has now argued that they have the authority and therefore, they could issue instructions that instead of a judge of the High Court, a judge of the SupNme Court might be ap-pointed to go into all the thinp. These arc two distinct things: whether by failing and not thinkjng it proper to five any direction while the area was a scheduled area, there is any failure on the part of the government. That is one thing. The second is whether the government has thoSe powers. Now, Members feel so much agitated. Will thC'y issue a direction to the state gove,_.ent now that instead of mak-ing it an enquiry by one judge, a Supreme Court judge might be •P-pointed. These are two diatinct things. Let me make clear the posi-tion to the hon. Minister.

Shrl Natb Pal: Regarding aclmial-billty, are you satl.!tled with tacts that it i1 a central relll)Ollllibillty by virtue of its beln« a 1Cheduled an111?

llr. Speak ... : He may reoume hi.I seat; I have heard him.

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Re. Bastar MARCH ZS, 1966 Incident 8188

Shrl Banca: It ;. an important matter.

8h.rl M. C. Chacla: It is important; it is vital; it deals with a weak and vulnerable section Of our society. The Centre may have responsibility. I even concede that the Centre has fail-ed to discharge that responsibility but, this is an important 'but' ..... . (ln.terruptiom.)

All hon. Member: The motion must be admitted; he concedes that failure.

Shrl M. c. Charla: Will I not be allowed to complete my sentence?

Mr. Speaker: I cannot do anytlting; Dr. Lohia might ask for permission.

Shrl M. C. Charla: May I complete what I was going to say?

More important than a discussion in Parliament is the fact that we should not in any way prejudice a tribumil which has been appointed with a sit-ting JUdge .. (ln.terruption.s.)

Shrt Ranp: It has not come into existence.

Shrl M. C. Chagla: It has .. (In-terruptions.) The question to be de-termined is: what were the facts? What were the causes; who was res· ponsible? AU this !ms to be done by a High Court judge. I am surprised that an eminent lawyer like my hon. friend Mr. Chatterjee who was a judge of the High Court should him-self cast reflections on a sitting High Court judge.

Shrl N. C. Chatterjee: I have not. I am pointing out that the govern-ment of Madhya Pradesh is itself a party; therefore it is better in its own interest to do as I said

Shrl M. C. Charla: I was a member of the judiciary; he was n member of the judiciary. I am proud of our judiciary. Is it suggested that a judge of the High Court nominated by the Chief Justice will not do ius-

tice between the State and the individual? We have been doing that all our lives. As I said, Mr. Chatter-jee himself should have decided cases when the State was a _party. l submit, Sir, it is a very serious re-flection on the independence of the judiciary in our country. We are proud of our judiciary. I do not think it can ever be said that a High Court Judge will not decide fairly be-cause one of the parties is the State Government. Every day We dispose of such cases in our Courts. Why should not a High Court Judge be appointed .. (Interruption.). Rule 59 reads:

"No motion which seeks to raise discussion on a matter pending before any statutory tribunal er statutory authority performing any judicial or quasi-judicial func-tions or any com.mission or court of enquiry appointed to enquire into, or investigate, any matter shall ordinarily be permitted to be moved:

Then the proviso is this:

Provided that the Speaker may in his discretion allow such mat-ter being raised in the House as is concerned with the procedure or subject or stage of enquiry ....

That means, the matter raised UI about the procedure to be followed by the tribunal or the subject-matter which means the terms of reference or the stage at which the enquiry is, onee a tribunal is appointed. With great respect, I submit, a motion of adjournment which deals with the matter which is pending before the tribunal cannot be allowed. It will frustrate the whole enquiry.

Shrl Nanda: May I re-emphasize the position? My colleague said •even assuming'. It is a fact that it is a scheduled area. It is also a fact that there is, under the emergency powers, Jiower which extends to the issue of a directive. But where are the condi-tions and where is the situation to issue a directive?

Re. Ba.star CHAITRA 7, 1888

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13.18 hrs. E.STIMATES COMMl'ITEE

RErORT OF Sun-CoMMITl'm 01' l'.>sr-ENCE R.mEAKCB AND Dl:W:l.onn:irr

LABORATORY, HYDERABAD

Mr. Speaker: I have to Inform the House that the Chairman of the Esti-mates Committee, Shri A. C. Guba, ha• under Clause (ix) (b) of Direction I 0 l of Directions by the Speaker pr•-sented me a report of the Sub-Cnm-mittee of the Estimates Committee on the Defence Research and Development Laboratory, Hyderabad of the Ministry of Defence. The S~bCommittee at their sitting held on 16th March, 1966 approved the repor •. As in the view of the Sub-Committee the Report contains information of classified nature, the disclosure of which is Jikely to be prPJudlcial to na-tional security, the Chairman baa de• sired that the report may be treated as secret and has also requested me to forward the report to Goverr.menl. I have accordingly forwarded the re-J>Ort to the Minister of Defence with a request that the action taken th•re-on may, in dUe course. be int:mated to the Chairman, Estimates Com-mittee.

IS.19 hrs.

RE: STATEMENT ON FOOD POSI-TION IN WEST BENGAL

Shrl S. M. Banerjee (Kanpur): What about the Minister's statement?

Mr. Speaker: Is the Minister going to make a statement on the food posi-tion in Bengal?

Tbe Mlnl9ter of Food, ~. Commualty Develop.....U and C.. operation (Sllrl C. S11bramanlam): Perhaps I maY be able to make a !ftatement tomorrow.

Mr. s-ar: All right. Shri S. M. Ballerjee: Are all the

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COMKITI'EJ: ON PUBLIC UNDER-TAK:INGS

Slut D. N. 'l'lwary (Gopalpnj): I beg to present the Twenty-fl.rrt Re-port of the Committee on Public UndertaklD418 on Air India.

IS.ZO hrs.

•DEMANDS FOR GRANTS-Contd.

M1NIST11v or INFORMAnoK .um BnoAD-CAB'l'INcr-Contd.

Mr. Speaker: The House will now resume dlacuasi0n and voting on the Demands for Grants under the con-trol of the Ministry of Information and BroadC'asting.

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leisurely ways of the All India Radio, which I do hope Mr. Raj Bahadur will see to it no longer c'Ontinues.

I know sometimes All 1ndia Radio has done good work, specially durinll the difficult times that the country went through last year, but there is a long backl"og of official apathy and misdirection, which has got to be reetifled.

All India Radio, I am sorry to have to say, has a pitiful record over ex-ternal broadcasts,· reference to which has already been made in this House. AIR has ab'nut 160 hours a week for external broadcasts, whereas China with which country we seem to be developing a fixation, has 937 hours a week, second only to the quantum of USSR and even such small coun-tries as Cuba and North Korea have more than 200 hour3 8 week. Besid-es even apart from external brond-ca'sts, does AIR want to make itself heard both literally and metaphori-cally? Their equipment is very worn out and we cannot even hear Calcutta properly. We hear about national integration and all that kind of thing. Let alone externa) broadcasts, we cannot even hear our own interna1 broadcasts. We are told about trans-mitters coming from foreign coun-tries, which is a good thing as far al it goes, but It docs not satisfy us, because the way things are being done u by no means indicative of proifess ;n !he future.

The Soviet transmitter, it seems, will not be installed till Jate in 1967 and will perhaps go on the air only In 1968. This delay has been due to the government's own inability to decide early what kind of trensmifter we wanted from the USSR. This is one aspect Of the way in which our AIR has been working.

As far as Its news reporting is con-cerned, I have been constrained to notice that It dutifully headlines and displays neo-lmperialilt propaganda, even in contrast to our new.papers, who do Dot behave too well-Am 3048 (Al)LSD-5.

quoting Teheran and Paris for ru-mours of Soekarno's overthrow, day1 before anything of the sort happened. Even now that kind of thing ha1 not happened. The overthrow of Soe-karno, a greater leader \>f Asia, hu not really taken place. But the way in which AIR puts across these things -it gloats over Soekarno having a fall and Nkrumah in Ghana goln11 th• way of all ftesh and that kind of thin& -these are howlers for which the countrys foreign policy will have to pay. All India Radio's job Is to see to it that no hinderances are placed in the implementation of our friendly and independent foreign policy.

In regard to its own d\>mestic af-fairs, AIR has staff artistes-some ~000 really capable and talented people spread all over Indin. But, unlike in other broadcasting organisatio;i5 in otht-r countric3, their service~> are not permanent. The Chief Producer has a twelve-year contract, which 11 a good thing, But a> far as the staff ar-tistes are co:iccrned, they ean ba transferred anywhere in India, but they have only a very short-terrn contract. They have insecurHy of S

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[Shri H. N. Mukerjee] B Clas• artiste, he was not considered W'orthy of that distinction! This kind of thing takes pluce in regard to people who are a by-word in the country and whom p("ople know as really representative of our culture.

We talk about Sangeeta Samme-lanis and that kind or thing. They are good as far as they go; but they do not go far enough; because the AIR does not seem to be makin1 a search for talent. After all, it is not enough only to feature established celebrities who d'o not require encouragement from AIR. AIR has to go and find out talent in the country, develop them and bring them out, so that really and truly our musical and artistic life can be enriched.

Inside the establishment, there is so much discrimination. I could not understandt ·!or instance, why at the time of the Tokyo Olympics, some-one was sent to Tokyo to ct·~ the com-mcntnry who had never done a sport!\ commentary in this country. 'I.f we wanted a sports commentator to go to Tokyo, someo:1e should have gone who had already done sports com-mentary in tiur country. A Hindi com-mentator was sent, but he was put to the ignominy-Mr. Raj Bahadur should take note or it-ot making comments only during the interval when the hockey match between India unct Paki.,tan was played in Tokyo. A Burra Sahib was there, representing a paper in India, and because he had a British voice he was ch'ose:l to make the cdrnmentary, while the Hindi commenter was asked to comment only durjng the interval. This kind o! thing ·is a little too much.

There are other failures also of AIR. When Lal Bahadur Shastri died, ""' feature programme · ""'113 ready, Ev..,.ybody has referl'f>d to it, includ-ing my friend, Mr. Hem Barua. The BBC in its World Service gave a touc!Ung and etfectiYe teat11tt, but we ~aid not do It.

I do not want to pick out only th .. deficiencies, but since there i5 very little time, I have to rush thrnugh them. We discovered during the last emeregncy period some features bein~ put up which were not by any means. good enough; on the country, ther created a contrary impression. ThcrP was feature called uthe Vacant Chair" produced by une of AIR's top men. It wa~ an interview with .t father whose son was killed in battle. 1.t was psychologically entirely inept and many Members ot Parliament. have been constrained to remark about it. A person with an excellent radio voice, who might be top-class newat reader is not necef!lsarily a good 1 fea-ture writer at the same time. But it seems to be the policy of AIR to help only those who are already at the t'op and not to help those who are thet'e who can be encouraged to develop their talenl< a great deal.

Reference has already been made m this House to certain most irrespon~ siblc acts committed by AIR-f.eaturea like the story which was not tru~ regarding the suicide dive on enemy installations during the lncfo-Pakistan confrontation, whirh was a serioua )apse. I do not think the distance bet-ween Akash Vani Bhavan and Vayu Bhavan is quite so much that they could not get in touch with the Air Force authorities, because they wen· embrrussed. When this kind of story, which was not true was featured by AIR people came t~ believe it and then they were told it was not tru., It was a most embarrassi'llg situation and whoever .was responsible has got to be ferreted out for particular pu-nishment, because this kind of thi»~ tarnishes the image ol our country. which is already badly tarnished in the eyes or many parts at the world.

As tar aa our technical people ~ concemed. the engineer11 in AIR are frustrated. They ·point out how we procure materials. "Which are easily available in the ctiuntry like simPle amplifiers. simple meuuring ilultru-

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ment.;, etc. from abroad. Recently un-der Japanese credit, an indent hao been placed for a border station !or materials which are made in 'India. We talk about import substitution and all that kind of thing, but in the meantime, this is what happens. We treat our own engineers like dirt. When tile TV installation was made at Delhi by ·the West Germans, many unplea-mt situati'ons were created because of their superior attitude towards our lfWn engineers, who have done the .!8!my a very distinguished director, Mri-nal Sen, on which a ban was put. Shr1 :Raj Baflad ur was good enough to tell · 09 that the ban has been lifted. But whoever wa• respon•ible for this kind of stupid action has to be told where he ,stands ~ause this was a film which was applauded by the late Prime Minister, Jawaharlal Nehru and Dr. :RaJendra Prasad when they A'w it, •"d, everybody welcomed it as a real-ly gcnd oontribution.

In regard to television, on which I llltUst say a word. ~ do not quite under-atand whv Gover-nment does not ex-plain to ihe conntry its senoe of. prtorities. It la rio ~ saying that television would help our education.

I do not know-AIR is assistini: educa-tional processes in Delhi or •ollle1rhere -God knows what kind 'Of education-al assl•tance we get troin AIR, but I remember a pnper remarking on uua bu.•iness, ot it being more economicil according to the Chanda Committee'• report to invest in television than to build schools. The newsP11per edito-rially commented that "when Sh.rt Subramanl.am secs that food flTdlta more easily on t.he TV scre~n than a. India's soil he may, Wlro konws, be inclined to follow the Committee'• la bulous formula." Perionally I 4o not like too mu.ch of this deV'otion IO gadgetry. I have seen television; I am not too impressed. But do we at this point of time rieed to blotber fiery urgently and expensively about televi-sion, because ~ducationists in Calcutta say that Government is spel'lding hl!n-d:ed crores on television but they cannot spare a ff!w crore~ for them?

I c'Ome to my last point, Sir, becou .. I have to rush oV'er everything and. delete a good deal of things I wanted to say, and that is in relation to the question of relating our socio-eCQno-lnic objectives to tile newspoper in-dustry. But the lnform•tion and Broadcasting Ministry has never tac-kled it. 11 hes tailed to check mono-(YJly in newspaper industry. ThP Gover.1ment is not unduly anxiou. to formulate any long-term plan for • balanced growth Of the Presa and anti-monopoly activities. During Question Hour it came out that ihere was • tloUrshing blckmarket in nl"wsprint and in Calcutta a newspaper collected its newsprint but the paper hever came out. The Diwiikar eom'!nittee has made recommendtion1, for in.o-tance, about th" price-page sehedal" and a ceiling on advertiaement ~The Oiwakar Committee has recom-mended that even if the Constitution needs amendment let this be done a't once. It has also pointed out ihal on account of the emergency belnic still there we do not even need a constitut.ional amedment to have prtce-pa1e schedule. But the :M!na-ter, early this m'oming, said that the

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[Shri H. N. Mukerjee] rise in newspaper prices is a good thing. I do not know. The price-page schedule has not come. With-out a price-page sehedule being put into operation here are the newspaper magnates who are asking more money from the people. Here is the newspaper published by the Indian J'ederation of Working J\mrnalists which gives facts nd figures a bout how the newspaper price rise i• ab8olutely unjustified.

In rei:ard to publication there are many gaps. Gandhiji's collected works are brought out in English and also in Hindi. Why n·ot in the other language5? The Ministry is bringing out Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru's collec-ted works or something of that sort. We were told that roynlties would be payable to whoever is the heiress. This is a rather embarrassing thing. Af.te-r all, Jawaharlal Nehru's ideas can be spread by uther means than by the Minhler of Information and Broadcasting publishing his collected works straightaway. When the benefi-ciary is going to be the Prime Minis-ter of this co11ntry in regard to royal-ties from that, Government at least 1hould hold it,, hand. That ki•nd of thing is not done anywhere, it should not be done.

Because the Deputy Leader r>f the Swantantra Party had devoted his entire speech to the question of an independent i.elevision authority en-ti"elly independent of Government I want to say this. I know that ooo,;er Or later television is going to come to this a.Juntry. There is no doubt about it. But let not Government be Inveigled by the kind Of interest which Shri Masani represent!ll. The "ery fact that he devoted his entire 8J)

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of luxury U WU pointed out by Shrl Masani, but it ls a necessity for a developing country such as ours, and il we accept the fact, as we should, that television promotes enormous\y

the cause of education the cause of agriculture and so on then ways and means could always be found out by the Government to meet the situa-tion and to meet the challenge. There is one suggestion made by the Chanda Committee that television should be handed over to a corporation. I sup-port this suggestion. But I am of the opinion that in the initial stages of development, when television iS go~ ing to have all sorts of teething trou-ble, Government should have full authority and control over this orga-nisation. Later on, when the pace of work and a pattern has been set, it can be handed over to a corporation which could utili•e it for the benefit of the people.

Now, before I proceed any further I wish to draw the attention of the Minister to the violation of article 4 Of the Tashkent Declaration by !Pakis-tan. Sir. the world knows we are implementing the terma of the agree-ment in Jetter and spirit; but Jt is not 10 in Pakistan. The Tashkent De-claration, for various reason, ls a sac-red document for us Only the other day at one Urdu Mushaira an Urdu poet hailed the spirit of the Tashkent Declaration In these words:

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l!illriW~i.~illlP.!ffia.SilJltnl tbat it is an Qflllf.Ilii&.\.iA!I lltil"\bil»I wj tti disco.ntent and frustratiQll ill many Nspects. The All lndia Radio ia. tied l\P wiUl i'8 pMl; tMllkil; tQ. tQe a.uLb.orities wl>.9 at ,t t~ at different le.vels have e.itllel" in their i&noraoce or in aqo.&al\Ce, h.a.ve d· qllilM ·-" u-

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lhat Urdu programme for half an hour should be started from Bhopal, the''l'eason llmong others Is that Urdu i• still very close to the people of Bhopal. It is the language of the 1leCJPle and it is but fair they shoulu be ·. approached in the language they understand and appreciate. Be-·01des this, it will also help the local ta1e11t to come up. I sm sure the Minister will give it due attention.

Shrl Ansar Harvani (Bisau!i): Mr. Chairman. Sir, I have always consi-der~,d the Ministry of Information and Broadcasting as one of the must iin-.portant Ministries o! our Government because It is the function of the Miniiltry to convey the warmth and glow of 'freedom to the Indian people and. to convey the hopes and aspira-tions of the Indian people to the v-erni;Jtent. There were days when this Mini~try was presided over by a man lilw · Sardar Vallabhbhai Pale!. Then two successive MinL~ter5 came who were. given the status of Minis-ter of State. Year after year I plead-•d on the floor of this House that this Mini,ftry should be raised to the sta-tuii: Or a Ministry under Cabinet M mister. I wa.• glad that the late Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru aC1:eded to this l'

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[Shri Amar Harvani] to speak Hindi either In Delhi or in Lucknow or in Bhopal or in Reju-than. Therefore, it is necessary that the Hindi language being used by All India Radio should be simplified and made intelligible to the people.

Urdu, which is a great language of this country and which is spoken in many parts of the country, is com-pletely being neglected by All lndia Radio. Some years back the Urdu Majlis programme h&d been started by All India Radio and I will re-quest the hon. Minister t 0 examine the popularity of that programme. He will find that there is hardly any programme which is so popular as the programme of Urdu Maj!is in Urdu-speaking and Hindi-opeaking regions. But, unfortunately, Urdu Majlis is given only half an hour. I will re-quest the hon. Minister to increase the time for this broadcast and to have Urdu broadcasts more frequenUy, to give more time on the air to Urdu ·broadcasts. Hyderabad, Lucknow, Delhi-these are ali Urdu-speaking stations and I see no justification why Urdu should not be used in these regions a11d given a better place.

I would also pay my tributes to the Vlvidh Bharati programme. There were the days of puritan music of Dr. Keskar. I am glad that those days are over. They were· the days when people used to listen only to Radio Ceylon; but, now with Vividh Bharati comlniz up, people listen to All India Radio also. I hooe nnd trust that this programme will be extended to other stations also .oo that. popular mtlsic may be heard bv the p~ople who want to hear populnr music.

The News Department of All India Radio is very much criticized. It is tniP that ther

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tt'U8t that all these publications orga-nlsation1 of the varioua ministries would be brought under the control of the .Minis