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INGRAINED Monthly Newsletter of the

Knox & District Woodworkers ClubVolume 31 Number 10

45 Glenfern Road Club Phone: (03) 9758 4849 Ferntree Gully VIC 3156 KDWC Club Website: www. knoxwoodies.org.au Reg. Assoc. A0017617S Club Email Address: secretary@knoxwoodies.org. au ABN 23 621 787 437 “INGRAINED” first issue: November 1988. Formed: 5/10/88

30 year history at: http://newsletters.knoxwoodies.org.au/20181001.pdf

Executive Committee Committee Members for 2018-19 Working Groups President Rodney Williams 0448 686537 Purchasing: Dick Webb 0408 996117 Maintenance: Lindsay HorsleyVice President Jeff Smart 0409 251063 Projects: Andre Cook 0488 585970 Henk Eyssens, Dick Webb Secretary Lynette Hartley 0412 712062 Social Activities: Jeff Smart 0409 251063 Rodney Williams, Max SimonAsst. Secretary Tom Noonan 9752 2211 Karen Button 0407 556666 Barry McDermottTreasurer John Freshney 0402 400294 Committee: Bill Orpen 0411 599804 Newsletter Team:Stand-in Tres. Albert Bak 0419 384099 Max Simon 0407 747824 Gary Pope 0408994799

Membership: David Lamble 0417 151043 Bill Ireland, Dick Webb Phil Spencer, Lindsay Horsley

President's Report - Rodney Williams

The Committee are strongly requestingall Members to help reduce damage toour Thicknesser and Drum Sander.

Please ask the keyholder whenunlocking this equipment to make sureit is OK to proceed.

Then it is your responsibility to lock it when you have finished.

Please do not give the machine that you have been usingto another member without the keyholder checking thematerial. I have spoken the Keyholders about keeping themlocked when not in use.

A reminder that our AGM is coming up and we would beinterested to hear from anyone who is interested in joiningthe Committee.

The Committee is the driving force that keeps this clubrunning as well as it has been for years.

The Heavy Carving and Sanding area (pic: top right) is notquite finished but is still able to be used. There is powerand light available out there and more lights will beintroduced when the last part of the roof is on.

Kidz Korner projects have been going well. We spent amorning at the Vermont Primary School during schoolholidays and the children made a whole range of kits; totheir, and our, enjoyment.

We are also having another Kidz Korner on August 31st atthe Ferntree Gully Library.

There is a working bee on August 10th and .. allmembers are Welcome !

…...[Rodney]

Disclaimer: All still photos in “Ingrained” are "posed" without safety gear, and not operating, to avoid operator distraction.

see interview with Albert Bak about making CARVING (pg 5)plus: a discussion on STORAGE ideas (pg 11)

for big or small shed with some great TIPS!

Pg 1: Committee / Club CONTACTS, President reportPg 2: VITAL INFO. “Around the Club” - Tenders, Members Welfare/BirthdaysPg 3: Website links, Facebook, EVENTS, InterestsPg 4: SAFETY Corner. Activities around the ClubPg 5: TECHNICAL: Workshop Notes and articles.Pg 5 -9: MEMBER INTERVIEW: Albert Bak (Carving)Pg 10-15: - and STORAGE ideas (Albert/Gary)Pg 16 Around the Club – and BE-IN-IT plansPg 17: HUMOR, and CuriositiesPg 18: Open Times, Roster, projects, discounts, Diary

NOTE: ** the next monthly meeting is Sept 4th **

but NO meeting in August

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KDWC VITAL information for Members COMMITTEE EMAIL: secretary@knoxwoodies.org.auWEBSITE: www.knoxwoodies.org.ausuggestions for website/Facebook: webmaster@knoxwoodies.org.auHow to JOIN: www.knoxwoodies.org.au/membershipLINKS: www.knoxwoodies.org.au/linksCONSTITUTION/Committee http://www.knoxwoodies.org.au/committeeSAFETY: www.knoxwoodies.org.au/safetyNewsletters: (latest) www.knoxwoodies.org.au/current (archive) www.knoxwoodies.org.au/archivesArticles to Editor news@knoxwoodies.org.au

Facebook (invitees) www.facebook.com/groups/knoxwoodiesBank (Ref:name ID/purpose) Bendigo Bank BSB 633-000 A/c 1200 82748

Working with Children: workingwithchildren.vic.gov.au/home/applications/ 45 Glenfern Road, FTG 3156; Ph: 97584849; and the occupational field is:“42: Sporting, recreational or cultural clubs,associations or movements”.

Newsletters and important news by emailplease let us know if you've changed your EMAIL addressAlways check your SPAM, Clutter, Trash and JUNK folders.

Send Lynette Hartley (secretary@knoxwoodies.org.au) a requestto update your email address / records

If technical issues, call Gary: Ph: 0408 994799 anytime!

Typical questions about joining the ClubThe many emails/calls we receive enquiring about what is involvedin joining the club. Some usual questions are:- Can we teach? No. we can't, we are not allowed to. But weshare a great lot of experience with fellow members.- Are there female members? Sure are – we have plenty. Age,gender, occupations and team preferences are of no issue with'Woodies'. We're just crazy about wood!2015 count we had 25 fine female members out of the overall 200at the club. We've seen a 50% increase in recent years of femalemembers, when overall growth was 25%. - What age groups come? Well, our Secretary has worked outsome nice statistics on that. 29% are aged 45-65, 43% are 65-85.We have some younger, and older! So there's a wealth ofenthusiasm, and experience here! - How do I find out about what the club is like? Drop in on ameeting night (1st WED of the month 7:15PM) or when the club isopen, We love showing visitors how to become members! ReferNEWSLETTER last page for open times, and links to activities.- How much does it cost Latest Joining fee/membership fees are on website. Presently(2018-19) $100 pa (due 1st Sept), with 50% discount after 1st

March if a new member, PLUS a one time $50 joining fee. Latefee of $10 applies after 31st Oct, and failing to renew by 30th Novrequires another Joining Fee of $50 to be paid. - When do we meet? Refer to the last page of latest newsletters to see the times theclub is open for all the activity groups. But members are alsowelcome to use the workshops whenever there are two or morekeyholders/competent machine user attendees (for safetyreasons), to undertake their own projects, but courtesy suggeststhat priority is given to the activity groups on 'their sessions', toallow them to progress Club works. - History and Activities (See October 2018 Newsletter summary)

Got some NEWS to share with other members?If you have any articles, project notes,

humorous items to share with fellow Woodies – just drop us a line!

Editor contact: news@knoxwoodies.org.au

We thank Hon. Kim Wells MP

- Member for Rowville

for printing our newsletter as a Community Service VENTS–

Toy and Gift Making GroupTOY COUNT for XMAS Presentations: current count: 260 !

(as at July 9th) …. November is getting closer!

Learn more about what this fine bunch of Xmas toy and giftmakers gets up to, in the May 2018 edition of “Ingrained”.

Toy/Gift Making or the preparing of kits in Kidz Korner Group,are both great for 'those looking to practice new skills' atwoodworking. Keep it in mind if you've a spare few moments! ...Ed.

Member's Birthdays – AUGUST

The very best of Birthday wishes to these members.

Hope you have a top day, and enjoy the year ahead! [.... Ed!]

Member's Welfare Let's hope all goes well for any ofour fellow Woodies, who may beunwell. Please advise Committee,so that everyone is aware.

Laurie Phillips is home again in mid July after 1st chemotreatment. We trust he is comfortable.

We're all thinking of you. [… Ed!]

Social Committee Events and Enquries

Members with SOCIAL group ideas, please Contact:

Jeff Smart 0409 251063

Member day:Bill Orpen 3Scott Robertson 4Thomas Keane 5Paddy McCann 7Barry Hendry 9Anthony Horgan 12Kylie Schmidt 14Lindsay Horsley 24Pat Jimenez 25Phil Dunstan 26Allan Stanfield 26Graeme Parrott 27Hughie Gaynor 31

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Bill's Website of the Month! Bill Ireland and like-minded

Woodies who like sharing information from the web.

If you have some great woodworkinglinks to share with your mates at the

Club, don't stash them away now,drop a line to the Editor

(news@knoxwoodies.org.au) to share the good oil around!

This month there are heaps of LINKS to check in theSTORAGE article which we urge all members to check out.Other OZ/NZ club's newsletters ONLINE at their websitesfor you to share and enjoy, are obtainable via: http://webcontent.knoxwoodies.org.au/webdocs/Other_Clubs.pdf

....thanks for contributions to Bill's column […Ed]

Proudly Sponsored by

Ferntree Gully

Community Bank® branch and

Rowville branch of Bendigo Bank

Council neighbors raising the roof frame (16/7/19)

and now….Roof on, walls going up(23/7/19)

Keep thedrivewayCLEAR!

CLUB Equipment FOR SALE by TENDER** NOTHING this month **

Process: Lodge your submission to the committee, puttingyour name and best offered price in an

envelope in the MAIL SHUTE by the club doorway. Some items have a MINIMUM reserve.

Lindsay solves the problem of storing sandpaper

Sandpaperwinding machinebeing perfected

by LindsayHorsley

Events in the BIG WOODIES WORLD….

If any member or those reading our news in other Clubs,know of up-coming events, we recommend publishing it withAlison Dews as a central resourse for all, via her email:councilwoodworkclubs@gmail.com Many thanks to Alison Dews of the Council of WoodworkClubs for her regular, up-to-date list of events happeningaround Australia. They can be viewed here: https://www.councilwoodworkclubs.org/event s or: https://www.councilwoodworkclubs.org/cwc-news

Also: another good resource for up-coming events: http://cwsonline.com.au and see: https://www.cwsonline.com.au/news--upcoming-events.htmlThis is Jim Carroll's list of “Events & News”

Hawkesbury Woodcraft Scroll Saw, Pyro, Carving w/e 10th Aug - 11th Aug at 15 Wilberforce Rd Wilberforce NSWWoodturners Society of QLD Annual Exhibition & Sales 10th Aug - 11th Aug Mt Coot-tha Botanic GardensTURNAROUND – TurnSA www.sefd.com.au Fri Aug 16th - Sun 18th. (Ray/Heather Cottee 0402564209)Timber & Working With Wood (MELB) Aug 23-25th Phillip Island Down Under Turnaround 13th-15th Sept.Cooroora Woodcraft Show 20th - 21st Sep Cooroy Memorial Hall, Maple St Cooroy. 0419611565 Ballarat Woodworkers Guild Show 21st - 22nd SeptLOST TRADES FAIR – Hawkesbury NSW Sat Oct 5th – Sun 6th. www.losttrades.infoThe PIANO Transformation Challenge Oct 22nd – Nov 2nd, North Melbourne Meat MarketGoulburn Valley Woodworkers Show. 26th-27th Oct.Canberra Timber, Tools and Artisan Show Nov 1st to Nov 3rd at EPIC, Mitchell ACT/TURNAROUND, PROSERPINE QLD Fri Nov 1st – Sun 3rd. Lions Camp Kanga, 2396 Crystalbrook Rd, Crystal Brook.Jindabyne Roundtooit NSW Nov 8-10 Eltham and District Woodworkers (VIC) Annual Exhibition 9th - 10th Nov. Eltham Community Centre, Main Rd Eltham Bundaberg Woodworkers Guild Wood and Craft Expo 16th - 17th Nov at Main Pavillion, Bundaberg Precinct, QLD

Note: For a complete list of 'TurnAbout' events from last year,pending 2019 equivalents, See Feb 2018 edition of “Ingrained”

[….thanks for website tips from: Peter Vermaas]

Lighthouses of the Late John Robinson

Recently found in the wild!

Another of the dozens oflighthouses built by the lateJohn Robinson (family friendof Gaz, and relative to Dick.)

Visiting a former neighbour ofJohn, we found this sitting inpride of place at Lil Bryan's.These magnificent lighthousesjust keep emerging! Johnpainstakingly built many a fineunit for relatives, neighboursand friends. Owners take thecourtesy of lighting them onJohn's birthday each year on21st March

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2019 Victoria Day Award to Andre Cook.

Photos provided by Rodney Williams.

The citation reads:

Andre Cook started asa Brick Layer and endedas an Estimator. Bycarefully observing thebuilding trades and a lotof practice, he hasdeveloped many skills –one of them being anexcellent woodworker.

A very complicated scale-model crane won our “Be-In-It”competition. The next year he made a multi-wheeled,adjustable trailer to transport his crane! This competitiondisplays the skills of our members.

He helps make kits for the Kidz Korner and enjoys helpingthe children assemble them. These are done at schools,libraries, and community events.

Andre has recently taken on the task of Project Officer,attending to requests from the community for help with theirrepairs/small projects.

Recently a school lost their woodworking teacher. Theyapproached us to supply bulk material to make tables.Andre made a plan and jigs so the students could cut to theright length, and then they could drill and assemble. Manythanks Andre for all your amazing work.

Andre wrote a reply to the Club (extract)

…..I feel utterly humbled by the support from the club andmembers who suggested that I should be honoured by the receiptof this award and also for those that added their support. It wassomething out of the blue and something that I would never havethought of receiving as there are plenty more notable people whowould equally be worthy. I guess that that shows what a great clubwe all have. …. […. Andre]

Onya Andre – well deserved!

Disclaimer: All still photos in “Ingrained” are "posed" withoutsafety gear, and not operating, to avoid operator distraction.

SAFETY Corner

Knox “Woodies” SAFETY CORNER

Safe Storage This month, I thought that I couldcontribute some words todemonstrate how this month’snewsletter theme of storage andsafety can relate to each other. I feel like an imposter,writing on storage because my wife would describe myattitude to storage as “hoarding wood’! OK, I’m not perfectbut she does deserve safer access to the driver’s side doorof her sawdust-covered car!

Many will remembermy earlier mention of5S business principlesshown in this image.The application of 5Sprinciples is aimed atachieving ongoingefficiency, wastereduction and safety.Proper storage is a

significant contributor to achieving the best of elements S1and S2 .. “Sort” and “Set in Order”. What may not be soclear, is the safety benefits of proper storage.

So what does your storage actually do for you and your stuff?

• You have the right “stuff” closeby

• You know where your stuff is atall times

• You have a better idea howmuch stuff you have

• Your stuff is safe and secure• Your stuff is kept in good

condition

All these might be called “motherhood” descriptions of whatstorage is meant to do for you; but also consider thatexcess storage space is not necessarily a good thing. It canencourage you to hold items excess to needs, perhapslimiting your future safe storage choices. Safe storage willusually refer to having preferred locations for specific itemslike purpose built racks, tubs and shelves. Purpose builtracks are an essential way to support your dressed timberguarding against it warping and bowing whilst acclimatisingto its environment. Ground level storage is also preferredbecause items are less likely to cause serious damagewhen falling from height. When we think about your ownworkspace, holding just the things you need in yourworkspace should be your objective and removing themback to their dedicated place when no longer needed.Perhaps we can think about this process of “ins and outs”as if you were always presenting your workspace to impressimportant visitors from your peer group or even yourinsurance assessors. How good would it be to enter yourworkspace, spik and span to commence your new project?You’d never lose a pencil again!

I knew I would eventually say it; “A place for everythingand everything in its place”

… John Freshney

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Kidz Korner flat out with lots of activities… again!

Many of the events are recorded as they happen on theClub's FACEBOOK page, but for posterity, we like to recordthem here as well in the “INGRAINED”. June 26 th saw theKK team running a Cub & Joey Scout night at theClubrooms. It was great fun for both the scouts and theClub helpers on the night! (entry from Dick Webb)

July 8th then saw theteam over at VermontPrimary School.

74 children enjoyedbuilding lots of kits with theKK team. A greatSUCCESS! (Pics fromDick and Rob Baldock)

Tony Walker TASMANIAN TIMBER visit 12th AUGMark this date in yourdiary for Tony Walkervisiting the ClubroomsMONDAY 12th AUGUST 10:00AMSo, if you do have aspecific request, perhaps:boards for furnituremaking, slabs etc. then contact Tony directly and discussthe possibility of him bringing things over!

Tony Walker Phone: 0418 598 095Email: Sales@TasTimber.com.auWebsite: http://www.TasTimber.com.au

Workshop Notes - “members helping members”

Phil Spencer provides inspiring technical articles for thisregular TECHNICAL column.

So, what's your project presently? Drop a line withpictures to the Club via news@knoxwoodies.org.au toinclude in the Newsletter to share your experiences.

For this month's edition of “Ingrained”, we're looking behindthe scenes into the work done by some of our members, tolearn from their experiences that we might not otherwise getto see. ....[Phil]

An interview with member: Albert Bak

This month is a visit to Albert Bak and wife, Gerda to seethe artisan work he does as a Carver. PLUS: we look intothat tricky question of STORAGE in the Shed, and how tomake it more effective and safe to access. We're looking atStorage thru the eyes of a Carver who has less bulkyrequirements for his shed than most. But irrespective, thesolutions need a lot of thought. More on that on page 10.

So, whilst on the topic of Carving, let's set the scene with arecent observation from Andre Cook on his far northtravels, He writes:

….We came across the man at the Longreach Hall ofFame and I guess that our carvers in the club would beproud to have this in their collection…...” …. Andre

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An interview with member: Albert Bak

In past months the INGRAINED has covered projects thatMember's get up to when away from the Club, in their ownsheds, to share experiences and knowhow with othermembers., This month has a twist. As well as wanting toexpose some of the CARVING skills Albert Bak has tooffer, there was another angle. STORAGE. Carvers havevery modest tool requirements (in terms of the storageneeded for them). That is, in comparison to furnituremaking which deals with many tools and large machines,and all the storage needed for a vastly different size hobbyso to speak. Well that was the expectation for this article.

Back in July 2018, an article on the CARVING Group at theClub was undertaken, so that new members, in fact allmembers who hadn't seen that side of woodworking, couldgain an appreciation of 'CARVING'. In that edition, thefocus was more on the entire group and what washappening at the Clubrooms. Refer:http://newsletters.knoxwoodies.org.au/20180701.pdf

This month's article is focussed more on Albert Bak and hispersonal experiences in CARVING. Let's explore whatskills and inspirations lead Albert into his field of interest.

What skills do you see as important to have?

It began very young, back in primary school, makingwalking sticks out of willow, doing 'green bark carving'.Everyone was into it! As a young man, his first projectsincluded making a double bed out of Tasmanian Oak. Itwas all done with hand tools in an open shed, with a dirtfloor, on an old bench. But the perfection and interest inachieving a fine result, was the focus from these early days.

Albert recalls his first attempt at dovetailing back in 1971with just a saw and chisel. His collection of tools wassimple: Mallot, chisels and a finetooth hand saw.

Coming from an IT/computing background with a stronginterest and acumen in mathematics and science, thisbecame the driving force behind Albert's precise ways andhis patience. Sure, things were done out of necessity, suchas making furniture in early married life. But, wood hasalways been his passion, and he has no interest inmetalwork. His attention to detail and desire for perfectionaccounts for his low tolerance of chipboard, MDF andMelamine – always preferring solid real wood. And, plyhas to be the 'right quality'. Albert states: “Hollow ply isworse than chipboard!”

He joined the KDWC 21/8/2012 when Willy Schlaf wasaway, but it was not long before Albert and Willy startedsharing some great times with Carving at the Club.

The drive has to come from “Within', says Albert, whenasked about what spurs him on in the field of Carving.Ever since he started 'whittling' he discovered that whenyou're working on something you really like, then younaturally have the patience and enjoyment of the job. (Forinstance, building a chess set recently was a 6 monthexercise, but each day was an enjoyment.

“With Carving, you start, but have no idea of when a jobwill end, but you have enjoyment throughout.”

An interview with member: Albert Bak

What special equipment do you rely upon?

“ A carver does not need a shed to carve, but musthave a shed to store the materials!” (more on this inthe Storage article next). But it does highlight an importantaspect of this type of woodworking. Its small/portable!

Unlike the articles in previous months where members workon quite larger sized project jobs, and need a broader rangeof tools, Carving, by comparison, is a hobby that you cantake a modest set of tools anywhere you want, to enjoy thehobby.

For instance, the Club has enjoyed many a Facebookphoto or article from Albert, showing him working awayhappily all over the place in Australia, with simply his smallselection of materials and precious case of carving tools.Quite different to wood turning or furniture making, that's forsure.

The items a carver needs:- knives are for whittling (right) (such as the chessmen)

- gouges are for carving (left)

- flat chisels

- bent (Long bent, short bent, dog leg bent) (right)

- sharpening machine (ie: Proedge 21 degree bevel edge)- sharpening stone- wood mallot- portable “carving bench” made to suit. ie: used in conjunction with Triton Jaws, for portable use. Or adapt to suit your preferred bench- different platforms for holding the job on knee, table etc. Albert believes: you should buy the best from the outset! Think aboutthe purpose of the tool, research and buy the best.

You could buy a cheap set of chisels to see if carving issuited to you, but they'll have a poor bevel angle, lackquality of steel, and the tool won't hold its 'edge', and theresult will be a bad experience. But worse, it will have yourisking a bad hand position, trying to control the badly madechisel and you'll end up with a bunch of bad habits.

A compromise mentioned by Phil Spencer is to considerold, but good quality 2nd hand tools and learn how tosharpen and care for the tools. That's one approach tolearn more about the tools and cope with what might be alimited budget.

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An interview with member: Albert Bak

What equipment/resources at the Club do you rely on?

As a carver, the Clubroom facility to meet up with others isthe real benefit as a 'Carver'. Carvers have their ownspecific tools they bring with them, and that makes thempretty self-sufficient.

Perhaps access to a bandsaw or docking saw for preparinga square piece of wood for a new job, is where the KDWCworkshop comes in handy for a Carving enthusiast.

What satisfaction do you get from Woodworking?

An interesting conversation on this topic took place…… but Albert summed it up as:

“It's got to look good!”

From a layman's perspective like me [Gaz], carving is allabout making something look reallly nice to admire, first andforemost. So many other woodworking projects are aboutconstruction, strength, functional use and so forth, butcarving has a primary objective of making something that isreally terrific to look at. …. [Gaz's new understanding]

Albert can 'copy' and and if you want to call that'artistic', well it depends on whether it is a new item or

not, developed by the artisan.

Albert's exacting, mathematical and precise nature, cancopy a known idea and make an item that is a

“beauty to behold.”

So, where does the question of 'functionality /practicality fit in, you may ask? Well, for carving, that

is SECONDARY.

An interview with member: Albert Bak

What wood/glues/finishes do you like/recommend? Materials (best for carving)

- Huon Pine- White Beech- Jelutong (it has no grain, great for carving lily flowers)

Glues:

Albert uses the whole range of Titebondproducts

- Titebond I and II and III (for food platters)

Finishes:

Albert enjoys using these finishes

- Loves to use the Tung Oil (Organoil) with the natural Citrus Terpene 50/50 mostly, especially the 1st coat.

Note a good article on their product range is at Page 8 of Feb 2018 Ingrained at: http://newsletters.knoxwoodies.org.au/20170201.pdf

- The other great one is Feast Watson “Wipe-on Poly” A number of the members have mentioned this one.

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An interview with member: Albert Bak

Did your involvement with KDWC, and its fellow members, help with your pursuit?

Albert saw a local advertisement for the “BE-IN-IT”competition and came to the club, joining up straight away(21/8/12). At that time, Hurtle Lupton was President, and itwas the year of parking crowds when the local Footy Finalswere on next door.

Retirement presented the opportunity for a hobby, and“Woodworking” became the pursuit. Albert started comingin of a Thursday night but the numbers for the Group hadwained. Albert took the helm of the Carving group in Feb2013 where many a member has enjoyed carving with like-minded Carvers. It is from that comraderie and sharingideas with other skilled members like Willy Schlaf and ofcourse the Late Gerry Daelmanns, that help is availableand more importantly: shared back.

Albert fondly talks of many fine times shared with fellowmembers like Mary Reynolds and George Knight, workingon projects together.

Club contributions

Talking of sharing back, Albert's retirement time soon gotquickly absorbed, as he joined the committee at the 2012AGM. And then became Secretary during 2013-14 and asecond & third term in 2014-15, and 2015-16. In 2016-17he was on committee, but during that time, developed a fullbookkeeping system for the Club and a competitiontracking system used for BE-IN-IT. In 2017-18 Albert tookon the Treasurer role.

His attention to detail was impeccable, and his legacy was acomplete set of document templates and computer tools forthe next incoming Executive to enjoy, to ensure continuity ofmanagement services within the Club.

Inspiration came from the unscheduled seconding of formerfine Secretary Michael Talbert, and that unavoidable 5-minute handover of the role, prompted Albert to come upwith a solution to avoid that in the future. And that, hesurely did!

Albert's view is that, to be partof a Club, you owe it to the Clubto 'put in' and then you enjoy ittoo.

Well, Albert has most definitelyticked those boxes! … [Ed]

An interview with member: Albert Bak

Some of Albert's many projects.

Carving is only one side of Albert's skill, as will be seen in the Storage article following this, with the cabinetry made at the KDWC Clubrooms for instance.

- Albert enjoys camping and travelling, and fitted out aToyota HiAce with dismantlable cupboards.

- This lead to a similar exercise on an IVECO van, fitting itout with cupboards, beds, and kitchen cupboards usingmarine ply. Albert recalls his cabinetry proved to be thebest part of this van.

- Albert's first carving at the KDWC was: ”The Mouse”

- Tool case I and Tool case II

These are a goodproject to learn how tobe ACCURATE!

- Encapsulated balls, ornament, (above left)- and a jigsaw playing area with 8 storage drawers

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An interview with member: Albert Bak

What projects are you most proud of ?

An interview with member: Albert Bak

Thanks Albert for sharing so many insights into your worldof carving! ……… [Gaz]

BUT: Stay tuned now, as STORAGE ideas are viewed fromthe eyes of Albert as a neat CARVER versus a Hoardingovercrowded furniture hacker, Gaz!

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A discussion on STORAGE: Albert Bak/ Gary Pope STORAGE of MATERIALS Storage was mentioned on Page 4 of the May 2017 editionof INGRAINED. But there was no focus on shelving/storageideas particularly if you want to AVOID LADDERS!

So, what comes to mind, is to throw some niceexamples/ideas down, like the KDWC storage in thelunchroom/library and the thought processes that went intothe KDWC wood store. Then, tackling the same issue butfrom a small shed point of view that many members havethese days (like Albert) versus: my disaster of having over-weight object's d'art way above my head, and beinginaccessible. (in the case of Gary)

This might serve to help others who have overcrowdedgarages that have not seen a car in them for years.

But then there are other smart people putting all theirwoodwork machinery on wheels, allowing the other carwheels to use the same concrete floor at night...... That'sa top solution!

Keeping things in reach and TIDY and SAFE ........

This article is an opportunity to play with some of the'planning' tools and identify some websites that deal withstorage for 'Woodies' - whether it be a garage or adedicated shed. So let's start with Gary's garage.

checkout: grizzly.com

A couple of years ago, Phil Spencer mentioned this cooltool from the Internet at: https://cdn0.grizzly.com/shopplanner/v1-4/1/shopplanner.html

and it's only been in the last couple of weeks that I've givenit a test drive. There's plenty of tools around likeSketchUP, Autocad and probably a hive of floorplan tools. Iknow I've used a few, and I bet you'll know a heap too...

The point is, let's show a couple to allow members to haveas much fun with the 'planning' as we have tried.

I was able to drag-n-drop pretty much an example ofeverything I use, without too much trouble. Sure, it's aUSA tool in imperial with their brand of tools, but Imanaged to find things that were about 80% in accordancewith the size and features of the Ozzie home made tools Ihave! (And I still like imperial anyway!)

A sadly lacking icon was a BEER-FRIDGE!!! Hence thesquare midway down the right side of drawing (right)!

Maybe USA doesn't think it's safe to have a beer fridge inthe 'shop'..... Never mind.

In my case, I've got a 33' long x 4' deep LOFT runningdown the complete right side over all the equipment, about8' shelf level. I'm lucky to have a garage with a 11' ceiling,and so I have that yard of space along that entire loft.

But now I'm having 2nd thoughts about reaching upthere for materials these days!

A discussion on STORAGE: Albert Bak/ Gary Pope

Referring to the draft sketch below: Top right downwards: lathe in corner with adjacent grindingwheel mounted on wall, Triton Router table, woodbenchwith huge jigsaw, 4-drawer filing cabinet for electrical handtools, FRIDGE, Vertical Drill, benchsaw, storage area.

Left top: Cleanroom. Then below it, dirty electrical testingbench with adjacent wood-vice bench on wheels, and thentall double-door filing cabinets (about 4 of them) - but theyare only 18" deep, and not thought practical for 'wood'.

**BUT** At 64 I shouldn't be climbing ladders anymore, surely not whilst balancing some priceless BURL orwhatever! Suddenly those BENDIGO BANKSPONSORED huge rolling stairs in the KDWC woodstore make so much sense!

Meantime, the wall behind all those tools on the right, hasNOTHING hanging on it! Maybe there's part of the clue forsome shadow boards, behind machines on wheels...… (allowing access to the next 'piece' of wood needed)

Try grizzly.com out for your shed, and use it to start ahealthy discussion with mates! It's online and shareable.

The bottom right corner was the storage solution.

Firstly a re-birthed solid bookcase in the corner, leaving anarea long enough to store 2400x1200 sized sheets againstthe wall, all behind the table saw that can rollout for accessto this material. Other smaller offcuts of ply, MDF andsimilar, all stacked within a standup area measuring 3' x 4' x8' tall against the fridge with the pedestal drill in front.

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A discussion on STORAGE: Albert Bak/ Gary Pope Let's look at OTHER 'planning tools'….. Some input fromAlbert's experience.

“That [Grizzly] certainly is a bit of fun especially because itis easy to pick out a range of equipment to put on the floor.It’s easy to use. However, for me, having been brought upwith mtrs, cms and mms, it’s not that easy. I prefer myTurbo CAD, it’s definitely more cumbersome to use, buthaving used it for so long it’s not that bad. If you keep upwith the new versions that is. (Like Microsoft with theirWord, Access and Excel versions)

I haven’t tried Sketchup yet, as sadly, time at the moment isat a premium, believe it or not. The age old saga of beinginvolved with too many things at a time in your life you wantto take it easy. (Who said that?)….”

…. Albert

SKETCHUP

Now for those interested in Sketchup, there is aBROWSER BASED version for free these days Manymembers like Max Holt, have been singing the praises ofSketchup for years. Once a Windows only desktop product,with the introduction of an internet browser based tool, itnow opens the door to users who use other technologieslike Android Tablets or Unix.

https://blog.sketchup.com/article/weve-enhanced-sketchup-layout-see-whats-new-20192

Using it: https://app.sketchup.com/app?hl=en

Notice the feature of adding pre-designed components likeworkbenches. This allows you to add and move thingsabout on the design, to work out where to ultimatelyplace all the storage items.

A discussion on STORAGE: Albert Bak/ Gary Pope Wheels are great. Put them under anything you have, andyou can roll your equipment into the middle of the floor to dowoodwork, and then put everything away to let the cars in atnight. Recently acquiring some really nice solidtrunks/toyboxes, I put this DOLLY under the box, and use itto store special tools that can roll up to where ever you'reworking next. Supporting 300kg – great for the price!

And so, to the problem of all that storage everywhere that'shard to get at, or too high to reach like in these originalphotos. Finding a place for those unnecessary ladders, andputting less used equipment like the router table out of theway. But with the storage of 2400x1200 sheets, and allmanner of offcuts, and the many pesky round dowels andso forth. They became the quest for the solution mentioned.

And below, we see the far back corner lathe areasurrounded by boxes in wrong places due to the lack ofdecent storage. All this just adds wasted time to the nextjob being done in the shed!

That rarely used router table is taking up valuable space!

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A discussion on STORAGE: Albert Bak/ Gary Pope

Inspiration drawn from the shelving in KDWC Woodstore. On the left with access from the door is an area for lengthsup to 6Mtrs long. Meantime, from the side of the sameshelves, there are bays for items of about 1 – 1.5M long.Access is made safe for reaching higher items with theladder platform shown at the back of the right photo.

Another KDWC inspirational cabinet set is the long wallunits built some years back by Albert Bak with help on thedisplay cabinets by ColinStewart, Tom Noonan andGeorge Knight for thefinishing/venerring. (If we'veoverlooked other helpers onthat occasion, then blameGary's notes here). But to thedimensions and thereasoning. Naturally therewere constraints of wall size,adjacent seating requirementsand the library opposite. PLUS,with the Club having 6 mainactivities of quite diverse needs(carving, horses, furniture, toys,Kidz Korner, and woodturning) –this presented some interestingchallenges to decide upon ashelf height and material andaccess style.

Solution was three drawers: 315mm,330mm, and 420mm.Depth for all: 500mm. Framing:42mm x 19mm pine.Shelving is all 16mm MDF.

Another consideration is being able toSEE what is in each drawer. Sohaving a shallow front face, permitsseeing what's inside quickly.

Runner systems: 12mm thick plus16mm support (loses 28mm x 2 per).

Security locks (on drawers inside)PLUS: common outer locks.Timber: Veneered MDF glued 4-side edging. OR: Invest in solid timber for 'Enjoyment” if you can afford it!

A discussion on STORAGE: Albert Bak/ Gary Pope

Boards in garage workshop: (Some more inspirations!)

https://www.pinterest.com.au/news_hub/5047186756791744943/?utm_campaign=CATEGORY_RECOMMENDED_BOARDS&utm_medium=2902&utm_source=67&e_t=nFVR9miuE%3A76

JACKPOT!

You see what happenswhen you start cleaningout the shed?

You stumble across apreviously dismantledheavy duty library casewhich turned out to be theperfect size for storing allthose loose short lengthsof timbers.

And, it had roomunderneath for a rollroundtool case!

Moreso, thanks to playingaround with theGrizzly.com plan, itallowed plenty of space toits left, for storing2400x1200mm sheets.

A couple of leftover old wardrobe doors sitting on pavingbricks off the ground, made for a useful offcut area framing.

Then we positioned the drill press in front, with plenty ofSWING SPACE for drilling long pieces, in front of thestorage. Meantime, the saw bench is on wheels and rollsout for access, and use. Nothing left up on the loft exceptsome wine racks I'm storing for my son!

No more ladder needed – YEH!

Note: Toolbox now on that low cost DOLLY, now sitting leftof the drill press, ready to roll anywhere.

Loft for rent: Good rental rates, bring your own ladder!

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A discussion on STORAGE: Albert Bak/ Gary Pope

before:

After: (Lathe, router and jigsaw ready for use now!)

Albert's use of Triton WRA001 brackets

One of the best and least expensive solutions observed, iswhat Albert has done along the entire side of his shed.Using the Triton WRA001 brackets (described next),Albert has very cunningly joined small, low cost 42mm x19mm spacers between a series of long length pieces ofsame dimension.

This adds strength andall important FLATNESSto the unit, allowing forthe storage of longlengths of materials ifneeded. (Avoids bowing)

Then, Albert has added aseries of strong plasticcontainers, leaving 50%of viewing area, so thatall containers can show-off what's inside beforebeing taken off the shelffor use. All this fitsalong a wall with 300mmdepth and 160mmspacing betweenshelves. Ideal for his1.8M x 3.6M shed.

And everything is OFFTHE FLOOR to avoidspillage issues.

A discussion on STORAGE: Albert Bak/ Gary Pope

WHEELS AND SHELVES! Definitely the way to go!some inspirational thoughts to start a coffee session!

https://www.beyondtools.com/product/wood-storage-rack-wra001-by-triton/

Description:

Wood / Storage Rack WRA001 by Triton

Provides generous storage capacity for timber, pipes andother long items. For internal or external mountingapplications in workshops, garages, sheds, on fences andwalls etc. 6 levels of storage. Easy installation.

For internal & external mounting applications. Suitsworkshops, garages, sheds, fences & supported walls

Six levels of storageHolds 50kg / 110lbs of material per levelQuick & easy installation

Specification:-

Holds 50kg maximum weight (of material) per level;Each Rack Support = 300mm Depth;Height: 1040mmTube Size (uprights): 25mm x 1.6mm in mild steelTube Size (racks): 30mm x 1.6mm in mild steelWeight 7.8kgStandard Accessories:-

Includes 2 x 25mm / 1″ Square Metal Section Uprights (for Mounting to a wall)4 (x 2)Metal Rack Supports for 4 x shelf levels;

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A discussion on STORAGE: Albert Bak/ Gary Pope

the mobile storage yard!https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/474707616955149569/?lp=true

Next photo: Why this, when the TRITON steel framesoffer more use of space (ie: the 1" TRITON struts areless than the 100mm on edge supports)

https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/613334042981449968/

https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/788341109753870838/

https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/297941331597269083/

A discussion on STORAGE: Albert Bak/ Gary Pope

for someone with far too many PLANES!https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/322992604525949790/

Nice access to overhead - but is a ladder needed ?

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A discussion on STORAGE: Albert Bak/ Gary Pope

Some excellent reviews from the Internet:

One of the best articles observed, about the quest forstorage control! Readers are advised to look at this wholearticle at:

ht tps: / /www.woodmagazine.com/workshop/out f i t -organize/organize-your-shop-in-a-weekend

(acknowledgement to: Wood Magazine .com )

Of particular interest are these points:(with the best in red, which I bet we're all guilty of!)

Workshop Rules of Order

✔ If you can’t decide where to store something, ask yourselfif it had a purpose in the first place.

If you don’t want a mess waiting for you when you enter✔your shop, don’t leave one when you go.

There’s no sin in leaving empty spaces inside your shop.✔You’re not loading the dishwasher.

Maintain your shop by work zones. Tidying the sanding✔area sounds a lot more doable than straightening the shopwhen you only have a few minutes to spare.

Respect the work zones you’ve created and store✔everything in its place.

✔ Forget multitasking. When two projects occupy yourworkbench at the same time, one of them isn’t getting done.

You can’t build a project unless you can find its plan. So✔file patterns and plans by broad categories, such as“furniture,” “boxes,” or “toys.” ✔ Store only the lumber you need for an upcoming project,or find lumber storage outside the shop. Let the lumberyardstore the rest.

If clutter begins to spread, reverse it by making a habit of✔putting away three things for every object you pull out ofstorage.

Thanks to Albert Bak for openly discussing his storageideas at both his home shed, and all the cabinets at theKDWC Clubroooms too. And, thanks go to the variousmembers we've been interviewing in the past 6 monthsin earlier editions of INGRAINED, where we observedmany useful and different storage techniques and theirchallenges that lead to this article being prepared.

….. [Gaz]

(Off now to do some long overdue downsizing!)

A discussion on STORAGE: Albert Bak/ Gary Pope

LADDER AVOIDANCE

And from a SAFTEY perspective, this website outlines theLADDER RISK aspects of your shed you should heed.

https://prod.wsvdigital.com.au/sites/default/files/2018-06/ISBN-Prevention-of-falls-accessing-shelves-2005-06.pdf

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Happenings around the Clubrooms…..

Making 8mm DOWELLS with router and drill

Looking for a creative design/usage:

A donation of over100 of these bookrests, needs somecreative thinking asto how best makeuse of this reallysolid wood.

And “Scrollman”Frank Collins has made some great drink coasters

BE-IN-IT Competition – Sunday 8th SEPT

BE-IN-IT will be on the SUNDAY 8th September, as the 1stSeptember is Father's Day. The football calendar of theneighbours and the impact on parking, has resulted in thisnew date this year.

If you are still seeking inspiration, then refer to the results oflast year's competition that is availabe in the Sept 2018edition of INGRAINED at Page 4 onwards ofhttp://newsletters.knoxwoodies.org.au/20180901.pdf

At this stage, it is understood the categories will be thesame as for the last two years, as follows:

Boxes Jewellery

Wooden

Carving Relief

In the round

Clocks Large

Small

Turned

Furniture Large

Small

Ornamental Garden

Other

Toys Large

Small

Woodturning Spindle

Bowl Small

Bowl Large

Platter

Lidded Container

Natural Edge Item

Miniature Item

Segmented Item

Matched Pair

Pens

Other

Scroll Sawing General

Miniature

Rocking Horse Gareth

Carved

Musical Instruments

Games

Boards Kitchen/Bread

Cheese/Fruit

Rustic/Recycled/Australiana

General

BEST IN SHOW - MAJOR

BEST IN SHOW - Minor

Access to the Club on the Friday 6th, and Saturday 7th

prior to the event on the Sunday 8th, will be outlined inthe next newsletter.

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HUMOR

The Two ladies conversation

Two well-dressed ladies happened to start up a conversationduring an endless wait in an Airport Terminal.

The first lady was an arrogantyoung woman married to awealthy business man.

The second was a well-mannered elderly woman.

After a little while the youngwoman started by saying, "When my first child was born, myhusband built a beautiful mansion for me."

The older lady commented, "Well, isn’t that fantastic?"

The first woman continued, "When my second child was born,my husband bought me a beautiful Mercedes-Benz."

Again, the older commented, "Well, isn’t that fantastic?"

The first woman went on, "Then, when my third child wasborn, my husband bought me this exquisite diamondbracelet."

Yet again, the older lady commented, "Well, isn’t thatfantastic?"

The first woman then asked, "What did your husband buy foryou when you had your first child?"

"My husband sent me to charm school," declared the olderlady.

"Charm school?" the first woman cried, "What on earth couldthey teach you??"

The older lady responded, "Well as an example... instead ofsaying, "Who gives a [Proverbial]? I learned to say, ..Well,isn’t that fantastic?”

Don't let me catch any of you Woodies saying this around thecoffee table at the club to fellow mates! …... [Ed]

HOW THE "GREY BEARDS" HAVE DESTROYED THE PLANET

Checking out at the supermarket, the young cashiersuggested to the much older woman that reusable grocerybags were a good idea as plastic bags weren't good for theenvironment.The woman apologized and explained, "We didn't have this'green thing back in my earlier days."

The young cashier responded, "That's our problem today -your generation did not care enough to save our environmentfor future generations."

She was right our generation didn't have the 'green thing' inits day.

Back then, we returned milk bottles, lemonade bottles andbeer bottles to the shop.

The shop sent them back to the plant to be washed andsterilized and refilled, so it could use the same bottles overand over. So they really were recycled.

But we didn't have the "green thing" back in our day.

HUMOR

Grocery shops bagged our groceries in brown paper bags,that we re-used for numerous things, most memorablebesides household bags for rubbish, was the use of brownpaper bags as book covers for our schoolbooks. This was toensure that public property (the books provided for our useby the school), was not defaced by our scribbling. Then wewere able to personalize our books on the brown paper bags.

We walked up stairs, because we didn't have a lift in everysupermarket, shop and office building.

We walked to the local shop and didn't climb into a 300horsepower machine every time we had to go half a mile.

Back then, we washed the baby's Terry Toweling nappiesbecause we didn't have the throwaway kind.

We dried clothes on a line, not in an energy-gobbling machineburning up 3 kilowatts …….. wind and solar power really diddry our clothes back in our early days.

Kids had hand-me-down clothes from their brothers orsisters, not always brand-new clothing.

Back then, we had one radio or TV in the house - not a TV inevery room and the TV had a small screen the size of a bighandkerchief (remember them?), not a screen the size ofScotland In the kitchen.

We blended and stirred by hand because we didn't haveelectric machines to do everything for us.

When we packaged a fragile item to send in the mail, we usedwadded up old newspapers to cushion it, not Styrofoam orplastic bubble wrap. Back then, we didn't fire up an engineand burn petrol just to cut the lawn. We pushed the mowerthat ran on human power. We exercised by working so wedidn't need to go to a health club to run on treadmills thatoperate on electricity.

But she's right; we didn't have the "green thing" back then.

We drank from a tap or fountain when we were thirsty insteadof using a cup or a plastic bottle every time we had a drink ofwater. We refilled writing pens with ink instead of buying anew pen, and we replaced the razor blades in a razor insteadof throwing away the whole razor just because the blade gotdull.

Back then, people took the bus and kids rode their bikes toschool or walked instead of turning their Mums into a 24-hourtaxi service in the family's $70,000 People Carrier which costthe same as a whole house did before the "green thing." Wehad one electrical outlet in a room, not an entire bank ofsockets to power a dozen appliances and we didn't need acomputerized gadget to receive a signal beamed fromsatellites 23,000 miles out in space in order to find thenearest pub!

But isn't it sad that the current generation laments howwasteful we old folks were just because we didn't have the"green thing" back then?

Please forward this on to another selfish old person whoneeds a lesson in conservation from a smart alec youngperson...

We don't like being old in the first place, so it doesn't takemuch to annoy us...especially when the “advice” is beingoffered by a tattooed, multiple pierced smart alec who can'twork out the change without the cash register telling themhow much it is!

Thanks to members for their contributions! …..[Ed]

remember: I just share them! [ Ed]

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Weekly Workshop Hours and Keyholders (click website links to Activity HISTORY info)Note: All Members are welcome to access the Clubrooms at any of these times.

Monday 09:00AM - 12:30PM Wood Turning Henk Eyssens 5968 5119

Tuesday 08:30AM - 02:30PM Kidz KornerGeneral Access

Dick WebbAndre Cook

0408 996 1170488 585 970

06:30PM - 09:30PM Wood Turning Larry Clemmet 0417 328 425

Wednesday 09:00AM - 02:00PM General Access Dick Webb 0408 996 117

Thursday 09:30AM - 02:30PM Toymakers Tony Deabe 9774 7917

06:30PM 06:30PM

- 09:30PM - 09:30PM

Furniture Making Carving (for all!)

Mark Guscott Albert Bak

0412 558488 0419 384099

Friday 10:00AM - 01:30PM General Access Barry McDermott 9753 6157

06:30PM - 09:30PM Rocking Horses Neil Harris 9727 1413

Saturday see roster below and WORKING BEES

Sunday (closed)

Saturday Morning Roster

Opening 09:30 am to 12:30 pm

July 27th Rodney Williams 0448 686 537

Aug 3rd Ladislav Toman 0410 405 227

Aug 10th WORKING BEE

Aug 17th Peter Collins 0409 183 453

Aug 24th **swap** Ladislav Toman 0410 405 227

Aug 31st Tom Keane 9728 3230

Sept 7th CLOSED Prep for BE-IN-IT

Sept 14th Dick Webb 0408 996117

Sept 21st Rodney Williams 0448 686 537

Sept 28th Tba (Phil) tba

NOTE: If no member arrives by 10:30am, the Key Holder has the option of closing Clubrooms

Member's Discounts The Following Suppliers offer discounts to Members.

**Show some suitable KDWC / personal ID**

Budget Car and Truck Rental (FTG). Caroll’s Woodcraft Supplies.Carba t ec.Ferntree Gully BoltsJalor ToolsMitre-10 – Baysw ater. (Timber purchases only)Pop’s Shed.Screwit – Supplier of Sachy ScrewsTaits Mitre 10 Toronga / Glen IrisSonicsales (ONLINE) (Woodworking Machinery Specialists.)

Merchandise and Materials on sale at Club(effective 1st July 2018)Club Caps $12.00Club Polo Shirts $35.00Club Fleecy Tops - Half Zip $45.00Club Fleecy Tops - Full-length Zip $55.00Club VESTS (see pics in Sept 2016 news) $70.00Note: Personal embroidery, eg: names, are: $6 extra

Club Projects (ref: Andre Cook)

Project Recipient

Adult/Joint toy/gifts: Xmas Donations (Nov) Various for Xmas

Various Turnings for raffle/festival prizes Festival stock &c

Kidz Korner kits for regular sales/events KK Activities

Current jobs / recently completed

Table Kits (more being made JULY) Lilydale School

Street Sign Boronia/TheBasin

Speaker Boxes

Rabbit feeding boards **DONE** plusmore!

Maybe more...

Mitre Boxes

Possibly some presentation boxes

Possum Boxes **TBA** TBA….

Important Diary Dates and coming events

Wed 7th Aug ** NO MEMBERS' Meeting **Sat 10th Aug WORKING BEE 8:00AMWed 21st Aug Committee Meeting 7:00PM

Wed 4th Sep Members' Meeting 7:30PM

Sat 7th Sep ** PREP for Be-In-It Closed**Sun 8h Sep ** BE-IN-IT Competition**

Wed 18th Sep Committee Meeting 7:00PM

** STOP PRESS **

NOTE: next meeting: 4th September

but: ** NO ** meeting in August