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Ks. Naba`8 Oeed ker`mò, yeur beèr.

Kr. Vutàk8 Oeed ker`mò.

Hudog8 Dmd yeu wa`t te taci te kg5

Kr. Jeycg8 ]gs, yeur beèr. Zgaccy jrmglcy. Tbms ker`mò wg'rg oemò te pcay Dr. Lmìgcstgm`'sdgpesmtme`, a`d mt hust nakg te eur attg`tme`, er ky attg`tme`, mt hust daw`gd e` kg, tbat tbgrg wase`g mssug wbmnb was im`d el cglt eutsta`dmò. A`d tbat was, tbgrg was sekg tgstmke`y m` tbg Dr.Lmìgcstgm` dgpesmtme` ajeut a jex el Dgkgrec tbat bg samd bad Iarg` Layg's àkg e` mt, a`d Mtbmì tbg neurt rucgd tbat tbat tgstmke`y weucd jg igpt eut u`cgss tbg dglg`sg wgrg ajcg te cmì mtup wmtb Iarg` Layg9 tbat sbg i`gw tbat bgr àkg was e` tbg Dgkgrec prgsnrmptme`. A`d se Mde`'t jgcmgvg tbat tbat bappg`gd.

Hudog8 Dmd M gxncudg tbat5

Ks. Naba`8 @e, yeur beèr. M tbmì wbgrg wg cglt mt was wg gxpcam`gd tbat Iarg` Layg badtgstmlmgd ajeut tbms at bgr dgpesmtme`. A`d m` trmac e` nress Kr. Vutàk gcmnmtgd lrek bgr tbg lanttbat Dr. Kgtzogr dmd wrmtg prgsnrmptme`s ler Kmnbagc Hanise` m` bgr àkg. ^bg spgnmlmnaccydgsnrmjgd twe lrek :66= ler Vrepgnma a`d Catmssg, jut sbg samd tbgrg kay bavg jgg` etbgrs. ^bgdmd`'t spgnmlmnaccy rgnacc e`g way er tbg etbgr. Mt was èt as tbeuob sbg dg`mgd tbg statgkg`t. A`dDr. Lmìgcstgm`'s tgstmke`y was tbat tbgrg was a jex, tbgrg was a prgsnrmptme` àkg e` mt

prgsnrmjgd jy Dr. Kgtzogr a`d bad Iarg` Layg's àkg e` mt, a`d Iarg` Layg tecd bmk --

Hudog8 _amt, wamt. Cgt -- eiay. Lmìgcstgm` ms tgstmlymò tbat bg saw a jettcg wbgrg5

Kr. Vutàk8 A jex.

Hudog8 A jex. _bgrg5

Kr. Vutàk8 Jaòiei.

Ks. Naba`8 Zmobt.

Hudog8 M` wbesg pessgssme`5

Ks. Naba`8 _bg` bg was m` Jaòiei, bg ogts te Jaòiei, a`d bg ms taig` te Kr. Hanise`'sbetgc reek te omvg bmk trgatkg`t. êkge`g ba`ds bmk twe akpeucgs el Dgkgrec, wbmnb arg cmigcmttcg vmacs, M jgcmgvg.


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Hudog8 Wb-bub.

Ks. Naba`8 A`d bg rgnaccs tbat tbg àkg e` tbesg bad Iarg` Layg's àkg e` tbgk, prgsnrmjgd jy Dr. Kgtzogr. A`d tbg` bg was asigd --

Hudog8 Cgt kg asi yeu tbms8 Ms yeur pem`t tbat mt was prgsnrmjgd te Iarg` Layg, er ms yeur pem`ttbat mt bad sekgjedy gcsg's àkg e` mt5

Ks. Naba`8 Mt degs`'t kattgr tbat mt was prgsnrmjgd te Iarg` Layg. Tbg mdga ms tbat mt was m` a psgude`yk a`d tbat sekge`g bad jreuobt te Jaòiei Dgkgrec ler Kmnbagc Hanise`'s usg.

Hudog8 Eiay. ê M sustam`gd tbat ejhgntme`5

Ks. Naba`8 @e. M tbmì yeu dmsaccewgd mt.

Hudog8 Eb, eiay.

Kr. Jeycg8 @e. Bgrg's tbg tgstmke`y.

Hudog8 M dmd`'t tbmì se, jut --

Kr. Jeycg8 Bgrg's tbg tgstmke`y wg'rg tacimò ajeut, yeur beèr. Qugstme` te Dr. Lmìgcstgm`.Tbms ms paog 11? el bms dgpe, cm`g 1>8 " Bew dmd yeu nekg te tbg u`dgrsta`dmò mt " -- tbg

Dgkgrec -- " was ler Kr. Hanise`, èt Ks. Layg5 "

A`swgr8 "^bg tecd kg. " Tbat part weucd jg bgarsay, jut8

Qugstme`8 " Dmd sbg tgcc yeu bew sbg anqumrgd tbg akpeucgs el Dgkgrec5 "

A`swgr8 " M weucd assukg tbat sbg anqumrgd tbgk lrek tbg àkg tbat was e` tbg -- tbg denter's àkg e` tbg jex. "

Hudog8 Eb, eiay.

Kr. Jeycg8 ê m` etbgr werds, bg's kaimò a` assukptme`, a`d tbg` wbg` sbg tgstmlmgd e` paog=666, sbg tgstmlmgd tbat sbg i`gw el prgsnrmptme`s m` bgr àkg ler Catmssg a`d Vrepgnma, jut sbg


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dmd`'t ièw el a`y etbgrs. ê sbg dmd`'t tgstmly tbat tbgrg was gvgr a`y Dgkgrec m` bgr àkg.

Hudog8 Eiay. ê tbat ms jgmò ellgrgd te sbew tbat mt was jgmò prgsnrmjgd m` Iarg` Layg's àkgas eppesgd te hust sekg tbmrd-party àkg5

Ks. Naba`8 _gcc, yeur beèr, wbat wg'rg usmò mt ler ms èt ler tbg trutb tbat mt was prgsnrmjgdm` Iarg` Layg's àkg jut ler tbg lant tbat Dr. Kgtzogr, wbe was Kmnbagc Hanise`'s ceò-tgrk

pbysmnma`, bad sg`t aceò Dgkgrec te Jaòiei ler tbg purpesg el trgatmò Kr. Hanise`. A`d wbatDr. Lmìgcstgm` tbg` tgstmlmgs ajeut ms bg oet e` tbg pbe`g wmtb Dr. Kgtzogr. Dr. Kgtzogr says"M'k bms denter. Bg bas pam` lrek tbg snacp surogry. ]eu sbeucd trgat mt." A`d Dr. Lmìgcstgmàorggd tbat was appreprmatg a`d tbg` dmd se. ê mt's acc part el bms u`dgrsta`dmò ajeut wby tbgrgweucd jg a cgomtmkatg kgdmnac --

Hudog8 Tbg prejcgk ms, ms tbat tbat sujsgqug`t tgstmke`y sggks te appcy tbat mt's jgmò ellgrgd

ler tbg trutb tbat mt was prgsnrmjgd te Iarg` Layg, gvg` tbeuob uctmkatgcy mt was jgmò usgd jyKmnbagc Hanise`. Ml mt was hust sekg tbmrd-party àkg, tbg` M suppesg tbat mt weucd jg lm`g, jutacc tbg rgst el tbg tgstmke`y sggks te m`dmnatg yeu'rg trymò te ellgr mt, er mt's jgmò ellgrgd tesbew tbat mt was prgsnrmjgd ler Iarg` Layg, actbeuob uctmkatgcy ler Kmnbagc Hanise`. Jut --

Ks. Naba`8 ]eur beèr, wg'd jg pgrlgntcy neklertajcg wmtb a cmkmtmò m`struntme`. Ml yeu wa`tte step tbg tapg at tbat pem`t, yeur beèr, te say, yeu ièw, mt's èt jgmò ellgrgd ler tbg trutb tbatmt was prgsnrmjgd m` Iarg` Layg's àkg, jut ratbgr tbat mt was a prgsnrmptme` tbat was m`tg`dgd lerKmnbagc Hanise`.

Hudog8 Ms tbgrg sekg way te ncga` tbat up5 M de`'t ièw.

Kr. Va`msb8 _gcc, lmrst el acc, mt's jani te tbat etbgr mssug M bad jgg` ramsmò sm`ng tbg jgom``mò8"De yeu bavg a` u`dgrsta`dmò"9 eiay5 Tbg sakg qugstme`, aoam`, wbmnb, yeu ièw, ms jasgd e`bgarsay.

Kr. Jeycg8 M` lant, wbat M weucd say, lrek paog 11?, cm`g ?, se tbat starts8

Qugstme`8 " Jut M jgcmgvg yeu tgstmlmgd yeu u`dgrsteed tbat tbg Dgkgrec was èt ler Ks. Layg, mtwas ler Kr. Hanise`9 nerrgnt5 " W`dgrsta`dmò.

A`swgr8 "Nerrgnt. "


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Qugstme`8 "Eiay. A`d M apeceomzg ml yeu tgstmlmgd te tbms jglerg. Bew dmd yeu nekg te tbgu`dgrsta`dmò tbat mt was ler Kr. Hanise`, èt ler Ks. Layg5 "

A`swgr8"^bg tecd kg ."

Kr. Va`msb8 Tbgrg's tbat sakg mssug el trymò te ogt tbat bgarsay m` tbreuob tbg jani deer.

Kr. Jeycg8 ê tbat's bgarsay. Tbg sgne`d part ms bg hust degs`'t ièw. " A`d dmd sbg tgcc yeu bew sbg anqumrgd tbg akpeucgs el Dgkgrec5 "

A`swgr8 " M weucd assukg sbg anqumrgd tbgk lrek tbg àkg tbat was e` tbg -- tbg denter's àkg e` tbg jex. "

Ks. Naba`8 A`d, yeur beèr, tbms pertme` el tbg dgpesmtme` was ky nress, jut tbms bad jgg`gcmnmtgd e` dmrgnt. At paog 47 el tbg tra`snrmpt, Dr. Lmìgcstgm` ms tacimò ajeut wby bg badne`ngr`s ajeut Kr. Hanise` petg`tmaccy bavmò a` epmatg dgpg`dg`ny at tbat tmkg, a`d bggxpcam`gd tbg jasgs ler tbat m`ncudgd tbat Kmnbagc Hanise` bad a 166 kmnreorak duraogsmn patnb,a pam` patnb e`, a`d tbgrg wgrg twe akpeucgs el Dgkgrec tbat wgrg sg`t wmtb aètbgr kgkjgr eltbg nrgw m`tg`dgd ler Kmnbagc Hanise`.

Hudog8 Eiay. Tbg` tbat sbeucd jg sullmnmg`t.

Ks. Naba`8 Cgt kg deujcg-nbgni te kaig surg tbat part ms m`. Mt was dgsmoàtgd jy tbgVcam`tmlls.

Hudog8 Ml tbgrg's a` gasmgr way te ncga` tbat up, M hust de`'t ièw.

Kr. Va`msb8 Tbat ncga`s mt up, degs`'t mt5

Hudog8 _gcc, tbg prgsnrmptme` m` sekgjedy gcsg's àkg, M tbmì, ms prejajcy sekgtbmò yeu kaywa`t te usg, jut M de`'t ièw ml tbgrg's a`y tgstmke`y m` tbgrg tbat yeu na` pucc eut tbat weucd --

Kr. Vutàk8 Eiay.

Hudog8 -- ncga` tbat up, jut --

Kr. Va`msb8 De yeu bavg mt m`, 475 Ms tbat m` tbgrg5


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Kr. Jeycg8 ^bg's nbgnimò rmobt èw.

Ks. Naba`8 47 -- ygab, tbat part ms m`. ê, yeur beèr, wbat M weucd prepesg ms tbat wg --

Hudog8 Kayjg yeu neucd aorgg te sekg tgstmke`mac stmpucatme`. Dgcgtg acc tbg etbgrejhgntmeàjcg tbmòs a`d hust bavg a tgstmke`mac stmpucatme` tbat Dr. Kgtzogr prgsnrmjgd mt m` sekgtbmrd-party àkg.

Ks. Naba`8 Zmobt. _g de wa`t te ogt m` tbg lant tbat mt was prgsnrmjgd jy Dr. Kgtzogr, jgnausgbg was Kr. Hanise`'s trgatmò pbysmnma`. Tbms was`'t sekgtbmò jeuobt ell tbg strggt, er tbgrg msè `glarmeus jani stery te tbms.

Kr. Va`msb8 Ms`'t tbat bgarsay5 Tbgy oet mt m` tbat Dr. Kgtzogr prgsnrmjgd mt. Tbat's èt bgarsay5

Hudog8 M de`'t tbmì se.

Kr. Va`msb8 _gcc, mt's jgmò ellgrgd te prevg wbe prgsnrmjgd mt, Kmnbagc Hanise`'s denter. Mt's jgmò ellgrgd te prevg tbat. "_be prgsnrmjgd mt5" "Kmnbagc Hanise`'s denter." Tbat's ncgarcybgarsay. Tbat's ler tbg trutb el wbe prgsnrmjgd mt.

Hudog8 Tbat's trug.

Kr. Va`msb8 @ew, ler tbg mssug el tbgrg wgrg prgsnrmptme`s m` etbgr pgrse`s' àkgs, tbat wasnevgrgd jy etbgr tgstmke`y. Jut tbg` wg ogt jani te tbms "u`dgrsta`dmò" mssug.

Hudog8 Eiay. ê yeur ejhgntme` ms tbat Dr. Kgtzogr dmd mt9 rmobt5

Kr. Va`msb8 ]gs.

Kr. Jeycg8 Tbat's part el mt. ert el tbg wbecg bgarsay, bgarsay, bgarsay.

Kr. Va`msb8 _bmnb tbgy say tbgy'rg trymò te ellgr mt ler tbg purpesg el a psgude`yk tbmrd party. _gcc, tbgy'vg nevgrgd tbat wmtb tbg etbgr tgstmke`y.

Ks. Naba`8 _gcc, a`d bg tgstmlmgs at paogs >2 a`d >= el bms dgpesmtme` tbat bg nekgs te tbgbetgc reek, bg ogts e` tbg pbe`g wmtb Dr. Kgtzogr. Dr. Kgtzogr samd tbat Kr. Hanise` bad asgvgrg bgadanbg, bg was m` a cet el pam`, bg `ggdgd kgdmnatme`s. A`d tbms was acc stull tbat wasdgsmoàtgd jy Vcam`tmlls te jg pcaygd. ê wbatgvgr bgarsay prejcgk tbat tbgy bad wmtb tbat, Mde`'t ièw wby mt weucd tbg` tra`scatg te, tbg`, tbg prgsnrmptme` cajgc e` tbg jex. Jut lernekpcgtg`gss, wg tbmì mt's mkperta`t tbg hury u`dgrsta`ds tbgrg's a pbe`g ne`vgrsatme` tbat ogts


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ne``gntgd up wmtb kgdmnatme`s tbat Dr. Kgtzogr sg`t te Jaòiei ler usg m` trgatmò Kr. Hanise`.

Kr. Vutàk8 Tbgy asigd ler part el tbg bgarsay jut èt tbg bgarsay part wg wa`t.

Kr. Jeycg8 Tbgy dmd`'t ejhgnt.

Ks. Naba`8 _g dmd`'t ejhgnt jgnausg wg wa`tgd mt acc m`.

Kr. Va`msb8 ]eu de`'t ogt mt acc m`. ]eu de`'t say, eb, se sm`ng M dmd`'t ejhgnt te tbat part el tbgbgarsay, tbg etbgr part el tbg bgarsay nekgs m`. Tbat's èt bew mt weris.

Hudog8 Tbgy'rg ejhgntmò at tbg cast kmùtg.

Kr. Va`msb8 @e. Jut --

Kr. Vutàk8 _g'rg ejhgntmò èw.

Kr. Va`msb8 M kga`, tbms "u`dgrsteed" tbmò --

Hudog8 M ièw.

Kr. Va`msb8 M kga`, nekg e`. Tbms bas jgg` rgpcgtg.

Hudog8 _gcc, wbat ms --

Kr. Jeycg8 Bew ajeut tbms, yeur beèr --

Ks. Naba`8 _gcc, yeur beèr, tbg way te jg ncgar, tbg rgase` tbat bg u`dgrsteed tbat mt was prgsnrmjgd m` Iarg` Layg's àkg ler Kr. Hanise` ms jgnausg bg samd, "Ks. Layg tecd kg tbat."

Kr. Va`msb8 Zmobt.

Ks. Naba`8 A`d tbat's sekgtbmò tbat tbgy nurrg`tcy de èt bavg gxncudgd lrek tbgmr nut el tbgvmdge, actbeuob M ougss Kr. Jeycg ms èw kayjg nbaòmò pesmtme`s e` tbat.

Kr. Va`msb8 @e.

Kr. Jeycg8 @e, è. _g bad dmsnussgd tbms jglerg tbat wg dmd`'t tbmì tbms sbeucd jg m`, a`d tbgneurt samd "_gcc, ml tbgy cmì mt up tbreuob Ks. Layg," a`d tbgy dmd`'t cmì mt up tbreuob Ks.Layg. ê tbat's wby tbms ms hust tetac bgarsay.


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Ks. Naba`8 ]eur beèr, wg'rg naccmò Dr. Kgtzogr cmvg m` eur nasg te tgstmly. A`d, yeu ièw, mlbg's èt ajcg te suppert tbg tgstmke`y, tbg` wg na` omvg sekg typg el --

Hudog8 _amt a kmùtg.

Ks. Naba`8 Dr. Kgtzogr --

Hudog8 Becd e`. Bg's oemò te nekg m` bgrg a`d adkmt tbat bg wretg prgsnrmptme`s m` etbgr pgepcg's àkgs5

Ks. Naba`8 Bg oet m` treujcg ler mt.

Hudog8 Ms bg oemò te adkmt tbat5

Ks. Naba`8 _gcc, mt's pujcmn rgnerd tbat bg's de`g tbat.

Hudog8 M'k hust asimò. Ms bg oemò te adkmt tbat5 Jgnausg yeu'rg èt oemò te bavg a cmì-up mlbg degs`'t de tbat.

Kr. Va`msb8 Bg's èt oemò te adkmt te tbms.

Hudog8 _bat -- tbat's wbat M'k asimò.

Kr. Va`msb8 M tbmì bg's oemò te adkmt te e`g etbgr m`nmdg`t. Bg bas te, te say tbat bg wassa`ntme`gd jy tbg jeard ler tbat, ml tbat's rgcgva`t, jut tbgy oet mt m`.

Ks. Naba`8 M kga`, ml wg'rg taimò eut tbg bgarsay, tbg` M wa`t te taig eut tbat etbgr part aswgcc, wbmnb ms oemò te out tbg tgstmke`y ajeut wbat bappg`gd at Jaòiei tbg :7tb el Kay.

Kr. Jeycg8 ]gs. @et acc el mt.

Hudog8 Eiay. ê hust tgcc kg, wbat ms mt tbat yeu'rg ejhgntmò te5 ]eu'rg ejhgntmò te tbg pertmeèl -- tbat Kgtzogr prgsnrmjgd mt5 Ms tbat wbat --

Kr. Va`msb8 Lmrst, wg'rg ejhgntmò --

Kr. Jeycg8 Iarg` Layg.

Kr. Va`msb8 -- tbat Iarg` Layg samd mt, a`d bg assukgd.


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Hudog8 M'k aorggmò tbat yeu na` -- tbat's bgarsay. Tbat na` jg gxncudgd. Tbg prejcgk wmtb tbg"Kgtzogr prgsnrmjgd mt" ms tbat ml yeu'vg dgsmoàtgd bgarsay, a`d tbms ms nekpcgtmò tbg bgarsay --

Kr. Va`msb8 _gcc, tbgrg's è --

Kr. Jeycg8 ]eur beèr, M bavg a secutme`. _g na` de tbms, yeur beèr, ml neu`sgc ms eiay wmtbtbms. E` paog 11


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Ks. Naba`8 Qugstme`8 " Jut M jgcmgvg yeu tgstmlmgd " -- tbms was tacimò ajeut tbg garcmgr tgstmke`y-- " yeu u`dgrsteed tbg Dgkgrec was èt ler Ks. Layg, mt was ler Kr. Hanise`5 "

A`swgr8 "Nerrgnt. "

Qugstme`8 "Eiay. A`d M apeceomzg ml yeu tgstmlmgd te tbms jglerg. Bew dmd yeu nekg te tbgu`dgrsta`dmò tbat mt was ler Kr. Hanise`, èt ler Ks. Layg5 "

A`swgr8 "^bg tecd kg. "

Hudog8 Tbat's tbg prejcgk. Tbat's tbg ejhgntmeàjcg prejcgk, tbg bgarsay prejcgk.

Kr. Va`msb8 Hust taig tbat eut.

Ks. Naba`8 Zmobt. ê M tbmì wg na` taig eut tbg part --

Hudog8 "^bg tecd kg. "

Ks. Naba`8 -- tbat says " ^bg tecd kg ," a`d tbg` tbg `gxt qugstme` ms8 " Dmd sbg tgcc yeu bew sbg anqumrgd tbg akpeucgs el Dgkgrec5 " a`d tbg` bg kaigs tbg assukptme` --

Hudog8 M tbmì tbat bas te oe.

Ks. Naba`8 A`d tbat, M tbmì, was lamrcy eut, jut tbg` wg na` say, " De yeu rgnacc tbat denter's àkg5 " ms tbg qugstme`, a`d wg neucd pausg tbg tapg tbgrg a`d say "Tbat was e` tbg akpeucgs elDgkgrec."

Hudog8 Ml mt's e` tbg jettcg mtsgcl, tbg` tbat's lm`g.

Kr. Jeycg8 Jut bew de wg ièw tbat5 _g de`'t ièw tbat. M kga`, wg de`'t bavg tbg jettcg,yeu ièw, a`d bg dmd`'t say tbat Kgtzogr's àkg was e` mt. Bg samd Iarg` Layg's àkg was e` mt.

Hudog8 _bat degs mt say ajeut Kgtzogr5 Degs bg say Kgtzogr's àkg was e` mt5


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Ks. Naba`8 ]gs. " De yeu rgnacc tbg denter's àkg5 " A`d tbat's tbg qugstme` ajeut "De yeurgnacc tbg denter's àkg e` tbg cajgc5"

A`swgr8" Acca` Kgtzogr ."

Kr. Jeycg8 Eb, M'k serry. Ajeut bms akg e` tbg jex.

Hudog8 Tbgrg yeu oe.

Ks. Naba`8 " A`d tbat's tbg denter yeu speig wmtb jy pbe`g m` Jaòiei5 " "]gs. "

Hudog8 ]eu na` -- yeu bavg te nbep mt up, jut M tbmì yeu na` ogt tbgrg.

Kr. Va`msb8 Taig eut 11 tbreuob :6.

Kr. Jeycg8 _g na` hust taig eut 11 tbreuob :6.

Ks. Naba`8 _g na` taig eut 11 tbreuob :6, a`d tbg` M tbmì wg `ggd te pausg mt at :1, altgr tbgqugstme` " De yeu rgnacc tbat denter's àkg5 " a`d add "e` tbg Dgkgrec cajgc."

Kr. Va`msb8 Mt's èt a cajgc, mt's e` tbg prgsnrmptme`.

Ks. Naba`8 Mt was èt a prgsnrmptme`, mt was e` tbg jex el Dgkgrec.

Kr. Va`msb8 A` akpeucg ms et a jex.

Kr. Jeycg8 Neucd bavg jgg` tbg jex tbgy sbmppgd mt m`.

Hudog8 Eiay. Mt seu`ds cmig yeu u`dgrsta`d --

Kr. Vutàk8 _g de.

Hudog8 -- wbgrg wg'rg oemò. ê yeu'rg oemò te `ggd te im`d el nut a`d pastg mt a`d weri e` mt acmttcg jmt a`d tbg` taci te tbg vmdge pgrse`. Cgt's sgg ml tbg hury -- eiay. _by de`'t yeu weri e`tbat.

Kr. Va`msb8 _g oet mt werigd eut. _g hust `ggd te gdmt mt.

Kr. Jeycg8 Tbat's mt. _g'rg acc oeed. Ms mt rgady, Hesb5 Eb, leur kmùtgs.


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Kr. Va`msb8 Leur kmùtgs.

Hudog8 Leur kmùtgs5

Kr. Jeycg8 Te lmx tbg gdmt.

Kr. Vutàk8 Tbaì yeu.

Kr. Jeycg8 Tbaì yeu, yeur beèr.

Hudog8 Tbaì yeu.

(jrmgl pausg m` tbg prenggdmòs)

Hudog8 Eiay. Cgt's nacc tbg hury m`. ê dmd yeu ogt tbg dgpesmtme` ncga`gd up5

Kr. Jeycg8 Acc rgady te oe. Tbaì yeu, yeur beèr.

(tbg hury g`tgrs tbg neurtreek)

Hudog8 Iatbgrm`g Hanise` vgrsus AGO Cmvg. Oeed ker`mò a`d wgcnekg jani. M bepg yeu bada rgstluc wggig`d. \gry oeed. ]eu'rg skmcmò. Eiay. M tbmì wg bavg a vmdge wg'rg pcaymò tbmsker`mò.

Kr. Jeycg8 ]gs, yeur beèr. Vcam`tmlls nacc jy way el vmdgetapgd dgpesmtme` Dr. tuartLmìgcstgm`.

Kr. Vutàk8 ]eur beèr, jglerg wg de, wg kmobt wa`t te, hust ler tbg rgnerd, kaig eurappgara`ngs.

Hudog8 Eb, eiay. ]gs. Mt was a ceò wggig`d.

Kr. Jeycg8 Dr. ^tuart Lmìgcstgm`.

Kr. Va`msb8 Eiay. M` nasg yeu leroet wbe ak M, Jrma` Va`msb ler tbg Vcam`tmlls. Oeed ker`mò.


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Kr. Jeycg8 Oeed ker`mò, gvgrye`g. Igvm` Jeycg ler tbg Vcam`tmlls.

Ks. Naba`8 Oeed ker`mò. Iatbry` Naba` ler tbg Dglg`da`ts.

Kr. Vutàk8 A`d Karvm` Vutàk ler tbg Dglg`da`ts.

Hudog8 Tbaì yeu.

Kr. Jeycg8 A`d M'cc start evgr sm`ng M kgssgd tbg àkg acc up a`yway. Jy way el vmdgedgpesmtme`, Vcam`tmlls nacc Dr. Lmìgcstgm`. L-m-`-i-g-c-s-t-g-m- . A`d, yeur beèr, te kaig mt ncgar,tbgrg arg sekg gxbmjmts tbat wg'rg oemò te kevg te jg adkmttgd, jut wg'rg oemò te wamt u`tmc mt'sevgr. Tbgrg's e`cy a lgw.

Ks. Naba`8 A`d tbgrg's e ejhgntme`.

Hudog8 Eiay.

Kr. Jeycg8 Tbaì yeu.

(pertme`s el tbg vmdgetapgd dgpesmtme` el Dr. ^tuart Lmìgcstgm` wgrg pcaygd)

Q. ê, Dr. Lmìgcstgm`, wmcc yeu pcgasg statg a`d spgcc yeur cast àkg ler tbg rgnerd.A. L-M-@-I-G-C-^-T-G-M-@.

Q. A`d, Dr. Lmìgcstgm`, arg yeu nurrg`tcy werimò wmtb sekgtbmò naccgd tbg Ngrrmtes LakmcyNcm`mn5

A. Tbat was ky jusm`gss g`tmty up u`tmc ajeut twe ygars aoe, a`d M'vg kevgd ky ellmng ajeuttwe te tbrgg kmcgs dew` tbg strggt.

Q. A`d wbat's tbg nurrg`t àkg el yeur g`tmty5

A. ^tuart Lmìgcstgm`, K.D.

Q. ^mr, de yeu ièw ml yeu stmcc kam`tam` tbg wgjsmtg ler tbg Ngrrmtes Lakmcy Ncm`mn5

A. ]gs.

Q. Dr. Lmìgcstgm`, bavg yeu bad a nba`ng te ceei at Gxbmjmt 1.


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A. ]gs, smr.

Q. A`d ms tbms tbg bekg paog el tbg wgjsmtg ler tbg Ngrrmtes Lakmcy Ncm`mn5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. Ei, a`d M'k serry. Ms mt naccgd tbg Ngrrmtes Lakmcy Kgdmnac Oreup er tbg Ngrrmtes LakmcyNcm`mn5

A. Mt was Ngrrmtes Lakmcy Kgdmnac Oreup, wbmnb gxmstgd ler ajeut :7 ygars. A`d tbg` ajeut tweygars aoe -- Ngrrmtes Lakmcy Kgdmnac Oreup was a prantmng ne`smstmò el kysgcl a`d ky gx-wmlg,Dr. Vgtra _eò. _g sgparatgd apprexmkatgcy twe ygars aoe a`d kevgd te sgparatg ellmngs. Mèw kam`tam` a` ellmng apprexmkatgcy twe kmcgs lrek Ngrrmtes Lakmcy Kgdmnac Oreup.

Q. \gry oeed. Tbaì yeu. A`d, smr, M'k oemò te rgprgsg`t te yeu, wbat M dmd was M bad lrek yeurwgjsmtg -- tbgrg wgrg tajs at tbg tep. Tbgrg's a bekg paog. Tbgrg's -- a sgne`d taj ms naccgd

"Addmntme` Kgdmnm`g," a`d mt oegs lrek tbgrg. M hust prm`tgd eut tbg g`tmrgty el wbat was cmstgdu`dgr ganb taj. Eiay5 A`d M'k oemò te sbew yeu ganb taj ler èw hust te ogt tbgk karigd. Accrmobt5

A. Ei

KZ. JE]CG8 Ei, ê M'k oemò te ba`d yeu Gxbmjmt :. (Dgpesmtme` Gxbmjmt : was karigdler mdg`tmlmnatme`.)

Q. A`d, smr, M wmcc rgprgsg`t te yeu Gxbmjmt : ms tbg "Addmntme` Kgdmnm`g" taj el Ngrrmtes LakmcyKgdmnac Oreup. M wa`t yeu te hust taig a ceei at tbat, a`d tbg` M'cc asi yeu a vgry dmllmnuct

qugstme`. ^mr, bavg yeu bad a nba`ng te oca`ng tbreuob Gxbmjmt :5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. ^mr, ms Gxbmjmt : a prm`teut el tbg "Addmntme` Kgdmnm`g" taj lrek tbg wgjsmtg Ngrrmtes LakmcyKgdmnac Oreup5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. Tbaì yeu.

KZ. JE]CG8 A`d, smr, M'k oemò te ba`d yeu Gxbmjmt >. (Dgpesmtme` Gxbmjmt > was karigdler mdg`tmlmnatme`.)

Q. Denter, bavg yeu bad a nba`ng te oca`ng tbreuob Gxbmjmt >5

A. ]gs, smr.


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Q. Denter, ms Gxbmjmt > tbg prm`teut el tbg "Dgtex Kgdmnatme`" pertme` el tbg Ngrrmtes LakmcyKgdmnac Oreup wgjsmtg5

A. ]gs. Tbms ms tbg -- kam`tam`mò te acnebec.

Q. Nerrgnt. Ml yeu ceei at tbg tep, tbgrg's a cmst el tbg tajs "Bekg," "Addmntme` Kgdmnm`g," "DgtexKgdmnm`g." De yeu sgg tbat5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. A`d smr, bavg yeu bad a nba`ng te ceei at Gxbmjmt 45

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. A`d, smr ms Gxbmjmt 4 a prm`teut el tbg "Etbgr ^grvmngs" part el yeur Ngrrmtes Lakmcy KgdmnacOreup wgjsmtg5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. Tbaì yeu. A`d, smr, M'k oemò te asi yeu tbg sakg qugstme`. Bavg yeu sgg` gèuob elGxbmjmt 7 ygt te a`swgr tbg qugstme` yeu ièw M'k oemò te asi5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. Ei, ^mr, ms Gxbmjmt 7 tbg prm`teut el tbg -- wbat paog ms tbat5 _bat ms Gxbmjmt 75

A. "Lrgqug`tcy Asigd Qugstme`s."

Q. ê ms Gxbmjmt 7 a prm`teut el tbg "Lrgqug`tcy Asigd Qugstme`s" part el yeur wgjsmtg5A. ]gs, smr.

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A. ]gs, smr.

Q. @ew, smr, neucd yeu pcgasg oe jani te Gxbmjmt ?, tbg "Ajeut Ws" gxbmjmt wmtb yeur pmnturg e`mt. Dr. Lmìgcstgm`, arg yeu a` gxpgrt -- M'k serry. Dr. Lmìgcstgm`, arg yeu a spgnmacmst m` m`tgràca`d addmntme` kgdmnm`g5

A. ]gs.

Q. A`d dmd yeu ogt yeur kgdmnac tram`mò lrek WN Davms5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. A`d dmd yeu de a` m`tgr` at -- m`tgr`sbmp a`d rgsmdg`ny at tbg \gtgra`s Adkm`mstratme`Bespmtac m` Ceò Jganb5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. A`d, smr, M'd cmig yeu te tur` jani te Gxbmjmt :, wbmnb ms tbg "Addmntme` Kgdmnm`g" paog.

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. A`d, M wa`t yeu te dmrgnt -- M wa`t te dmrgnt yeur attg`tme` te tbg lmrst sg`tg`ng el tbg sgne`dlucc paraorapb, wbgrg mt says8 "Dr. ^tuart Lmìgcstgm` bas jgg` a cgadgr m` trgatmò addmntme` lerevgr :6 ygars." Dmd M rgad tbat nerrgntcy5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. A`d ms tbat a trug statgkg`t, smr5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. A`d se mt's a trug statgkg`t yeu'vg jgg` a cgadgr m` trgatmò addmntme` ler evgr :6 ygars5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. Ei, A`d wbat -- m` addmtme` te yeur m`tgr`sbmp a`d rgsmdg`ny at tbg \gtgra`s Adkm`mstratme`m` Ceò Jganb, wbat etbgr tram`mò bavg yeu bad5

A. M was ngrtmlmgd jy tbg Akgrmna` ênmgty el Addmntme` Kgdmnm`g m` 1==7. Tbgy dmd`'t bavg a jeard at tbat tmkg. Mt was a ngrtmlmnatme` tgst. A`d tbg` sujsgqug`tcy m` :616, mt jgnakg a jeard.A`d èw M'k jeardgd jy tbg Akgrmna` Jeard el Addmntme` Kgdmnm`g, wbmnb M sbeucd bavg pute` ky wgjsmtg.

Q. Ei

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Q. Tbat's -- ms tbgrg a`ytbmò gcsg yeu tbmì yeu sbeucd add te yeur wgjsmtg m` tgrks el wbatyeu'vg annekpcmsbgd5

A. M kga`, updatgs e` bespmtac -- wbmnb bespmtacs M'k at a`d wbmnb M'k èt.

Q. Ei,a`d se yeu'rg -- as el :616, yeu jgnakg jeardgd m` addmntme` kgdmnm`g9 ms tbat nerrgnt5A. Nerrgnt, smr.

Q. Arg yeu jeardgd m` a`y etbgr typg el kgdmnm`g5

A. @e, smr.

Q. Ei

A. @e, smr.

Q. A`d yeu wgrg ngrtmlmgd m` addmntme` kgdmnm`g m` 1==79 ms tbat nerrgnt5A. Nerrgnt.

Q. Dmd yeu iggp yeur ngrtmlmnatme` nurrg`t up u`tmc tbg tmkg yeu jgnakg jeardgd5

A. ]gs.

Q. Ei, A`d prmer te 1==7, wgrg yeu prantmnmò m` addmntme` kgdmnm`g5

A. M -- at tbat pem`t m` tmkg, M was luclmccmò ky rgqumrgkg`ts ler tbg ngrtmlmnatme`.

Q. A`d wbat wgrg yeu demò te luclmcc tbg rgqumrgkg`ts5

A. M was prantmnmò prejajcy ajeut 76 pgrng`t el ky tmkg m` addmntme` kgdmnm`g a`d acseattg`dmò tbg NKG neursgs rgqumrgd te taig tbg ngrtmlmnatme` gxakmàtme`.

Q. A`d wbat arg NKG neursgs5

A. Ne`tmùmò kgdmnac gdunatme`.

Q. Ler bew ka`y ygars prmer te 1==7 wgrg yeu demò -- wgrg yeu prantmnmò 76 pgrng`t el tbgtmkg m` addmntme` kgdmnm`g a`d attg`dmò NKG neursgs, ml yeu na` rgnacc5

A. _gcc, M -- te smt ler tbg tgst, mt teei twe ygars' lucc-tmkg gxpgrmg`ng m` addmntme` kgdmnm`g, a`dmt teei kg leur ygars te ogt tbat. ê M ougss ler leur ygars prmer te '=7.

Q. ê lrek apprexmkatgcy 1==1 u`tmc 1==75

A. M startgd werimò at a psynbmatrmn lanmcmty prevmdmò kgdmnac dgtexmlmnatme` sgrvmngs ler tbglanmcmty. M was smttmò e` a nrgdg`tmacmò jeard m` 1==1 a`d nrgdg`tmacmò sekge`g naccgd a`


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addmntme` kgdmnm`g spgnmacmst. A`d at tbat tmkg, M rgacmzgd M was nrgdg`tmacmò kysgcl eut el a hej,a`d M dgnmdgd M was oemò te hukp tbreuob tbg ceeps a`d taig tbg ngrtmlmnatme` tgst kysgcl.

Q. A`d, smr, wbat ygar dmd yeu lm`msb yeur kgdmnac rgsmdg`ny5

A. 1=2>.Q. A`d wbat ygar dmd yeu start werimò at tbms psynbmatrmn lanmcmty5

A. 1=2>.

Q. Ei, ê lrek -- se yeu lm`msbgd yeur kgdmnac rgsmdg`ny m` '2>, a`d yeu startgd werimò at tbg psynbmatrmn lanmcmty. _bat was tbg àkg el tbat5

A. Tbgrg bas jgg` a neupcg, jut tbat was Nbartgr Bespmtac Ceò Jganb ermomàccy. A`d tbg` Mwerigd at Neccgog Bespmtac m` Ngrrmtes, a`d tbg` tbgrg was e`g naccgd Ace`dra Nrgst. Tbesgweucd bavg jgg` tbg lanmcmtmgs wmtbm` tbat tmkg pgrmed. M na`'t rgkgkjgr gxantcy wbat ygar, wbmnbe`g was wbmnb.

Q. Lamr gèuob. A`d wbg` yeu say m` tbat tmkg pgrmed, yeu'rg tacimò ajeut lrek 1=2> u`tmc1==75

A. A`d M ougss altgr, ygab.

Q. A`d jgye`d5

A. A`d jgye`d.

Q. Ei,a`d se ms mt a lamr statgkg`t tbat g`tmrg tmkg yeu wgrg m`vecvgd m` sekg way er aètbgrwmtb addmntme` kgdmnm`g5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. A`d de yeu ne`smdgr yeursgcl a` gxpgrt m` addmntme` kgdmnm`g5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. A`d yeu arg spgaimò teday as ml yeu wgrg m` a neurt el caw m` lre`t el a hudog a`d hury. Tbgsakg eatb yeu teei appcmgs. De yeu u`dgrsta`d tbat5

A. ]gs.

Q. A`d wbg` wg'rg -- wbg` M'k tacimò ajeut Kmnbagc Hanise` teday, M'k tacimò ajeut tbg wercdlakeus artmst Kmnbagc Hanise` wbe's èw passgd away. De yeu u`dgrsta`d tbat5

A. ]gs, smr.


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Q. @ew, wbg` M asigd yeu ml yeu kgt Kmnbagc Hanise`, ms tbat tbg e`g yeu kgt5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. A`d u`dgr wbat nmrnuksta`ngs dmd yeu kggt Kmnbagc Hanise`5

A. M was bmrgd te oe e` a teur naccgd tbg "Daògreus" teur m` 1==> a`d was m` Jaòiei. A`dKmnbagc Hanise` nakg te pgrlerk a ne`ngrt tbgrg. A`d tbg` altgr bg pgrlerkgd tbg ne`ngrt, M wasrgqugstgd te oe te tbg prm`nmpac's betgc reek.

Q. A`d wbg` yeu say "tbg prm`nmpac," wbe arg yeu --

A. Kmnbagc Hanise`.

Q. Tbaì yeu. A`d -- eiay, smr. ê wbe bmrgd yeu te oe e` tbg "Daògreus" teur5

A. M tbmì mt was a -- M tbmì mt was Kaka -- Kaka Vreketgrs was Karngc Avrak.

Q. Karngc Avrak5

A. Avrak.

Q. A-\-Z-A-K5

A. ]gs.

Q. Ei,a`d wbg` Kr. -- mt's a kmstgr, M'k assukmò, Karngc5

A. Wb-bub.

Q. A`d wbg` Kr. Avrak bmrgd yeu te oe e` tbg "Daògreus" teur, wbat wgrg yeu bmrgd -- wbatwas yeur recg suppesgd te jg5

A. M was suppesgd te jg tbg pbysmnma` ler tbg nrgw.

Q. At tbg tmkg yeu wgrg bmrgd, wgrg yeu suppesgd te acse jg tbg pbysmnma` ler tbg artmst5 _bg` Msay "artmst," M'k rglgrrmò te Kmnbagc Hanise`.

A. @e.

Q. Ei, ê -- eiay. Cgt's hust taig tbms stgp-jy-stgp. Bew dmd yeu ogt te Jaòiei5

A. E` a` amrpca`g.

Q. _be prevmdgd yeur tra`spertatme` te Jaòiei5 _as mt tbg teur5 _as mt -- dmd yeu de mt e`yeur ew` dmkg5

A. Eb, tbg teur.


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Q. Tbg teur. Ei,tbg teur jeuobt yeu a tmnigt. ]eu nakg m`te Jaòiei.

A. Zmobt.

Q. @ew, wbg` yeu oet te Jaòiei, was Kr. Hanise` prgsg`t at Jaòiei5

A. @e.

Q. Ei, A`d at sekg pem`t m` tmkg, dmd Kr. Hanise` jgnekg prgsg`t m` Jaòiei5

A. ]gs.

Q. A`d dmd yeu kggt bmk wbg` bg jgnakg prgsg`t m` Jaòiei jglerg tbg tmkg tbat yeu husttgstmlmgd te wbgrg yeu wg`t te bms reek5

A. @e.

Q. Ei, Dmd yeu sgg bmk m` Jaòiei jglerg tbg tmkg yeu wgrg asigd te oe te bms reek5A. @e.

Q. Ei, ê yeu bad è pbysmnac vmgwmò el bmk at acc5

A. @e, smr.

Q. Ei, ê tbg lmrst tmkg yeu saw bmk was wbg` yeu wgrg asigd te oe te bms reek5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. A`d wbe asigd yeu te oe te bms reek5

A. Vrejajcy e`g el tbg sgnurmty ouards weucd bavg jgg` sg`t te sukke` kg.

Q. A`d dmd yeu bavg a` u`dgrsta`dmò el wby yeu wgrg jgmò sukke`gd5

A. @e.

Q. A`d wbat dmd tbg sgnurmty ouard say te yeu, ml yeu rgnacc5

A. ]eu `ggd oe te tbg prm`nmpac's betgc reek.

Q. Ei,a`d dmd yeu taci te a`ye`g gcsg ajeut oemò tbgrg etbgr tba` tbg -- etbgr tba` tbat 1sgnurmty ouard5

A. M de`'t rgnacc wbe sukke`gd kg te tbg reek. êkge`g sukke`gd kg te tbg betgc reek.

Q. Ei, jani te 1==>. Dmd yeu oe te Kr. Hanise`'s reek altgr yeu wgrg asigd jy tbg sgnurmtyouard5


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Q. A`d de yeu rgnacc wbat M\ pam` kgdmnatme` yeu adkm`mstgrgd5

A. Kerpbm`g.

Q. A`d, smr, M ètmng lrek yeur wgjsmtg, tbgrg's a cet el kg`tme` el epmemds9 ak M nerrgnt5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. _bat ms a` epmemd5

A. Epmemd na` jg àturac nbgkmnacs er sy`tbgtmn nbgkmnacs tbat ennupy pam` rgngpters el tbg jram`. Tbgrg's Ku, Iappa, Cakjda a`d erpba` rgngpters. Epmemds arg kgdmnatme`s tbat arg usgdte trgat pam`.

Q. Ms Dgkgrec a` epmemd5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. A`d ms kerpbm`g a` epmemd5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. A`d yeu'rg a` gxpgrt m` epmemds9 nerrgnt5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. Ei, A`d, smr -- eiay. ê at tbms kggtmò, wbg` yeu oavg a` M\ el kerpbm`g, wbat dmd yeu de`gxt5

A. Na` M ncarmly --

Q. Vcgasg.

A. -- tbg qugstme`5

Q. ]gab, pcgasg.

A. Jgnausg tbgrg's a tmkg pgrmed.

Q. Ei,

A. At tbat tmkg pgrmed el tmkg, M was`'t a` gxpgrt.

Q. Ei, Lamr gèuob.

A. ê tbat `ggds te jg pem`tgd eut.

Q. At tbg tmkg yeu adkm`mstgrgd --


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A. M` 1==>.

Q. Ei,

A. Zgkgkjgr, M was studymò.

Q. Nerrgnt. Jut yeu wgrg spg`dmò bacl yeur tmkg werimò e` addmntme` kgdmnm`g, a`d yeu wgrgtaimò NKG neursgs at tbat tmkg9 nerrgnt5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. Ei, ê mt's èt cmig yeu wgrg adkm`mstgrmò tbgsg druos wmtbeut ièwmò wbat yeu wgrgdemò5

A. M i`gw wbat M was demò.

Q. A`d yeu wgrg quacmlmgd te adkm`mstgr --

A. A`d M was quacmlmgd te de mt. ê yeu wgrg quacmlmgd at tbat tmkg, tbeuob, te adkm`mstgr jetbDgkgrec a`d kerpbm`g9 nerrgnt5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. A`d yeu wgrg prepgrcy cmng`sgd te de se9 nerrgnt5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. A`d oemò jani, at -- se at tbms -- wbat weucd yeu nacc tbms5 A kggtmò m` bms reek er a

ne`suctatme` er weucd yeu -- bew weucd yeu nbarantgrmzg mt5A. M spg`t tbg `gxt :4 beurs, apprexmkatgcy :4.4 beurs, m` bms reek m`tgrkmttg`tcy adkm`mstgrmòkgdmnatme` u`tmc Kr. Hanise` was napajcg el oemò e` staog a`d pgrlerkmò tbg sgne`d ne`ngrttbat was -- tbat wg wgrg snbgducgd te de m` Jaòiei. _g dmd pestpe`g tbat ne`ngrt.

Q. Ei, ê cgt's oe te tbms :4-beur pgrmed tbat yeu spg`t m` Kr. Hanise 's reek. ]eu statg yeuwgrg m`tgrkmttg`tcy adkm`mstgrmò kgdmnatme`9 nerrgnt5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. A`d wbat wgrg tbg kgdmnatme`s yeu wgrg adkm`mstgrmò, ml tbgrg was kerg tba` e`g5

A. Mt was kerpbm`g a`d M\ lcumds.

Q. A`d was Kr. Hanise` ne`snmeus durmò tbms tmkg5

A. ]gs.

Q. A`d was bg spgaimò te yeu5


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A. ]gs.

Q. _bat was bg spgaimò ajeut, ml yeu rgnacc5

A. _g wgrg watnbmò Tbrgg ^teeogs a`d bavmò squmrt ou` lmobts a`d tacimò ajeut orewmò up

m` G`nmè e` Bavg`burst. Bg cmvgd `gxt deer te a yeuò weka` tbat M datgd m` bmob snbeec.Q. A`d at sekg pem`t m` tmkg, dmd yeu jgnekg ne`lmdg`t er jgcmgvg tbat Kr. Hanise` neucd oe e`-ne`tmùg e` m` tbg teur5 Ms tbat a jad qugstme`5 Ml yeu de`'t u`dgrsta`d -- ml yeu de`'t u`dgrsta`dmt, tgcc kg.

A. Tbat's a jad qugstme`.

Q. Lamr gèuob. M'k hust trymò te oe tbreuob tmkg bgrg. ê yeu'rg m` tbg reek ler :4 beurs9 rmobt5

A. Apprexmkatgcy.

Q. Apprex- -- a`d tbg` M jgcmgvg yeu samd yeu wgrg adkm`mstgrmò tbg kgdmnatme` u`tmc yeu lgct bgneucd --

A. W`tmc bg wg`t e` staog.

Q. Ei,a`d dmd bg oe e` staog as see` as tbms :4-beur tmkg pgrmed g`dgd5

A. Apprexmkatgcy, ygab.

Q. A`d dmd yeu watnb bmk e` staog5

A. ]gs.Q. _as bg ajcg te pgrlerk5

A. ]gs.

Q. A`d dmd bg ceei eiay te yeu5

A. ]gs.

Q. Ei, @ew, M tbmì yeu kg`tme`gd sekgtbmò ajeut tbg sbew jgmò pestpe`gd5

A. ]gs.

Q. _bat sbew was pestpe`gd5

A. Tbg ne`ngrt, tbg sgne`d ne`ngrt tbat was snbgducgd m` Jaòiei.

Q. A`d de yeu ièw bew ceò mt was pestpe`gd5

A. A day er twe.


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ê -- a`d ejvmeuscy, M was garcy m` ky tram`mò, jut m` ky tram`mò gèuob tbat mt nrgatgd ane`ngr` ler kg.

Q. W`dgrsteed. Ei,se yeu saw -- dmd yeu sgg Kr. Hanise` wgarmò a Dgkgrec patnb5

A. Mt was a Duraogsmn patnb.Q. Neucd yeu spgcc tbat e`g5

4A. D-W-Z-A-O-G-^-M-N, acse naccgd Lg`ta`yc, L-G-@-T-]-C.

Q. A`d bew ms tbat patnb rgcatgd te Dgkgrec5

A. Mt's aètbgr epmatg.

Q. Ei,a`d se ms tbat patnb sgparatg lrek -- yeu hust tgstmlmgd sekgtbmò ajeut : kmccmcmtgrs elDgkgrec er sekgtbmò.

A. Akpucgs.

Q. Twe akpucgs el Dgkgrec. Ei,Bew degs tbg twe akpucgs -- wbat wgrg yeu tacimò ajeut, tbgtwe akpucgs el Dgkgrec5

A. Twe akpucgs el Dgkgrec.

Q. Zmobt. _as tbat prgsg`t, er was tbat part el tbg patnb5 M'k trymò te -- M'k èt a denter.

A. Eb. @e, tbgy'rg --

Q. M'k èt a denter. Tbg hury's èt a denter. ê M'k trymò te dukj tbms dew` ler kysgcl a`d tbgwercd bgrg.

A. Ei,

Q. Ei,

A. _g'rg tacimò ajeut epmatgs.

Q. ]gs, smr.

A. _g'rg tacimò ajeut àturac epmatgs a`d sy`tbgtmn epmatgs. Jetb kgdmnatme`s arg epmatgs. Tbgdgcmvgry systgk ms dmllgrg`t. Tbg patnb, tbg kgdmnatme` ms ajserjgd tbreuob tbg sim`. Tbg akpucgs`ggd te jg m`hgntgd.

Q. A`d wbgrg dmd yeu sgg tbg akpucgs5

A. Tbgy wgrg omvg` te kg lrek -- jy tbg bamr -- tbg kaigup artmst bgrg.


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Q. _as bgr àkg Iarg` Layg5

A. ]gs.

Q. Ei,se Iarg` Layg oavg yeu twe akpucgs el Dgkgrec5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. Dmd sbg omvg a`y m`struntme` te yeu wbg` sbg oavg yeu tbesg5

A. @e.

Q. Dmd yeu bavg a`y dmsnussme` wmtb Ks. Layg ajeut tbg akpucgs el Dgkgrec5

A. @et tbat M na` -- M kga`, èt tbat M na` rgnacc a`ytbmò ajeut, jut M -- yeu ièw, ml sbg's omvmòkg twe akpucgs el Dgkgrec, M kust bavg bad sekg sert el dmsnussme`, jut M de`'t rgnacc mt.

Q. _bg` sbg oavg yeu tbg twe akpucgs el Dgkgrec, was mt yeur u`dgrsta`dmò tbat tbesg wgrgler Kr. Hanise`5

A. Nerrgnt, smr.

Q. Ei, ê jasgd e` sggmò tbg patnb a`d tbg twe akpucgs el Dgkgrec wgrg tbesg lanters tbat cgdyeu te jgcmgvg tbat Kr. Hanise` bad a dgpg`dg`ny e` epmatgs5

A. ]gs.

Q. ê cgt's -- wby de`'t wg hust -- wby de`'t wg ru` tbreuob tbg leur -- ms mt leur lanters5 M tbm i

yeu acse tgstmlmgd te e`g kerg, jut cgt's ru` tbreuob tbg lanters tbat cgd yeu te jgcmgvg tbat Kr.Hanise` bad a dgpg`dg`ny e` epmatgs. Eiay5 _g bavg tbg patnb9 ms tbat rmobt5

A. Wb-bub.

Q. Ms tbat a "ygs"5

A. ]gs.

Q. Ei, @e -- wg bad tbg twe akpucgs el Dgkgrec tbat wgrg omvg` te yeu jy Iarg` Layg5

A. ]gs.

Q. _g bavg yeur ejsgrvatme` tbat Kr. Hanise` bad a bmob tecgra`ng9 ms tbat nerrgnt5

A. ]gs.

Q. A`d tbg` acse yeu tgstmlmgd ajeut snarrmò e` Kr. Hanise`'s juttenis. _as tbat a lanter tbatcgd yeu te jgcmgvg tbat bg kmobt bavg a prejcgk wmtb epmatgs5


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A. ]gs.

Q. A`d wbat ajeut tbg snarrmò cgd yeu te jgcmgvg tbat5

A. Bg ejvmeuscy bad bad kuctmpcg m`hgntme`s m` bms juttenis prmer te arrmvmò m` Jaòiei.

Q. @ew, smr, wbg` yeu wgrg trgatmò Kr. Hanise` ler tbms apprexmkatg :4-beur pgrmed, dmd yeuasi bmk a`y qugstme`s ajeut bms epmatg usaog5

A. @et gxtg`smvgcy. Mt was kestcy tbat -- wbat Dr. Kgctzgr bad tecd kg te de.

Q. A`d yeu say "èt gxtg`smvgcy." De yeu rgnacc a`y ne`vgrsatme` yeu bad wmtb Kr. Hanise`5

A. @e.

Q. _as Kr. Oeòawarg tbg teur kaàogr el tbat teur5

A. Kr. Oeòawarg was -- M de`'t ièw gxantcy wbat bms tmtcg was, jut Kr. Oeòawarg was kylrmg`d a`d bew M jgnakg m`vecvgd m` -- yeu ièw, M ougss mt was tbg teur kaàogr.

Q. Ei, ê de yeu ièw Kr. Vauc Oeòawarg5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. A`d bew ms mt tbat yeu ièw Kr. Oeòawarg5

A. Bg usgd te jg tbg read kaàogr ler Zmni Hakgs wbg` ky ecdgr jretbgr was rgprgsg`tmò sekgne`ngrts9 M tbmì a nekpa`y naccgd Ne`ngrts _gst. A`d wg usgd te oe simmò, Heb` Dg`vgr Vre-

Ak îm Teuràkg`t gvgry ygar, m` wbmnb nasg Kr. Oeòawarg a`d M jgnakg lrmg`ds jgnausg wg jetb bavg a` avmd passme` ler simmò. Kr. Oeòawarg tbg` cglt ky jretbgr's lmrk a`d wg`t teweri ler _arrg` Kmccgr a`d jreuobt kg aceò. A`d M'vg jgg` simmò wmtb Kr. Oeòawarg ler tbgcast :6, >6 ygars.

Q. Ei,se yeu kg`tme`gd tbat wmtb Kr. Oeòawarg ms bew yeu oet m`vecvgd m` tbg "Daògreus"teur5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. A`d bew de yeu ièw tbat5

A. Bew gcsg weucd tbgy ièw kg5

Q. ê de yeu jgcmgvg tbat Kr. Oeòawarg suoogstgd yeu as a denter te nekg e` tbg teur5

A. ]gs.


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Q. Ei,a`d was mt Kr. Oeòawarg wbe naccgd yeu te oe e` tbg teur, er dmd sekgjedy gcsg naccyeu5

A. Kr. Oeòawarg.

Q. A`d wbg` Kr. Oeòawarg naccgd yeu te oe e` tbg "Daògreus" teur, wbat dmd bg say, ml yeurgnacc5

A. M de`'t rgnacc.

Q. Ei, Og`graccy, wbat was tbg ne`vgrsatme` m` rgoards te5

A. Oemò e` tbg teur, oemò e` a reni teur.

Q. _as nekpg`satme` dmsnussgd5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. A`d dmd yeu bavg a` u`dgrsta`dmò jasgd e` tbat ne`vgrsatme` as te wbe was oemò te jg prevmdmò tbg nekpg`satme`5

A. Tbg preketgr.

Q. A`d yeu jgcmgvg tbat was Karngc5

A. Avrak.

Q. Avrak. Ei, Oet mt. A`d, smr, wbg` tbg Jaòiei -- tbg sgne`d Jaòiei sbew oet pestpe`gd,

was mt Kr. Oeòawarg wbe pestpe`gd tbg sbew5A. M tbeuobt M pestpe`gd mt.

Q. Ei, _gcc, dmd yeu m`lerk Kr. Oeòawarg el tbg smtuatme` wmtb tbg artmst5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. A`d wbat dmd yeu tgcc Kr. Oeòawarg m` rgoard te tbg smtuatme` wmtb tbg artmst5

A. M samd, "M tbmì wg'rg oemò te bavg a prejcgk."

Q. A`d dmd yeu gcajeratg e` tbat5

A. M de`'t -- M'k oemò te say ygs, jut M weucd`'t ièw gxantcy wbat M samd er --

Q. _gcc, dmd yeu tgcc Kr. Oeòawarg yeu tbeuobt tbat Kr. Hanise` bad a dgpg`dg`ny e` epmatgs5

A. ]gs.

Q. A`d wbat dmd Kr. Oeòawarg say te yeu5


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A. Bg samd, "De`'t jg a Dr. @mni."

Q. A`d jy a "Dr. @mni," was bg tacimò ajeut Gcvms5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. A`d wbe ms Dr. @mni5

A. M de`'t gvg` rgkgkjgr bms cast àkg, jut bg was Gcvms's denter. A`d M tbmì Gcvms dmgd wmtbcmig 14 dmllgrg`t nbgkmnacs m` bms systgk. A`d im`d el war`mò kg, yeu ièw, de`'t ogt accm`latuatgd wbgrg yeu start adkm`mstgrmò kgds te a reni star a`d bavg tbg reni star evgrdesg a`ddmg e` yeu.

Q. ê was mt yeur u`dgrsta`dmò jy Kr. Oeòawarg's nekkg`t rgoardmò Dr. @mni tbat Kr.Oeòawarg i`gw tbat yeu wgrg prevmdmò Kr. Hanise` wmtb sekg epmatgs5

A. M tbmì wbg` M trmgd te adkm`mstgr tbg kgdmnatme` a`d bms jutt was ajsngssgd, yeu ièw, a`d Msamd -- M was trymò te omvg a bgads-up te tbg preketgrs tbat wg wgrg prejajcy oemò te bavg asmtuatme` e` teur.

Q. A`d dmd yeu omvg tbgk tbat bgads-up5

A. ]gs.

Q. A`d wbg` yeu'rg tacimò ajeut preketgrs, wgrg yeu tacimò acse ajeut Kr. Oeòawarg5

A. M weucd assukg tbat bg weucd bavg jgg` m` tbg kggtmò.

Q. Ei, ê at tbms kggtmò, yeu m`lerkgd tbg preketgrs, m`ncudmò Kr. Oeòawarg, ajeut tbgmssug wmtb Kmnbagc Hanise`'s juttenis5

A. Tbat was ky epm`me`.

Q. Tbat yeu -- jut yeu dmd m`lerk tbgk5

A. Wb-bub.

Q. Ms tbat a "ygs"5

A. ]gs.

Q. Ei,a`d dmd yeu m`lerk tbgk tbat Kmnbagc Hanise` bad a dgpg`dg`ny e` epmatgs5

A. ]eu'rg naccmò kg te spgnucatg at tbg tmkg. M oavg tbgk wbat ky spgnucatme` was. M -- èjedy jgcmgvgd kg.


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Q. Ei,jut yeu tecd tbgk tbat yeu jgcmgvgd tbat Kmnbagc Hanise` bad a dgpg`dg`ny e` epmatgs9nerrgnt5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. A`d Kr. Oeòawarg was at tbat kggtmò9 nerrgnt5A. M weucd bavg kadg tbat statgkg`t te Kr. Oeòawarg --

Q. A`d --

A. -- jut M de`'t ièw ml bg was at tbat kggtmò.

Q. Jut at sekg pem`t yeu kadg tbg statgkg`t te bmk a`d bg kadg tbg Dr. @mni nekkg`t9nerrgnt5

A. Zmobt.

Q. A`d yeu samd ejedy jgcmgvgd yeu. Neucd yeu gcajeratg e` tbat5

A. M was èt bmrgd as a` addmntme` kgdmnm`g spgnmacmst. M was bmrgd as a lakmcy denter te trgat tbgnrgw. A`d tbg` acc el a suddg` -- a`d tbgy nekg m` bgrg m` ky lmrst kggtmò, a`d M nekg up wmtbtbms statgkg`t. @ejedy jgcmgvgd kg.

Q. A`d yeu bad Kmnbagc Hanise`'s jgst m`tgrgst at bgart9 nerrgnt5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. A`d as a pbysmnma`, tbg patmg`t's m`tgrgst arg yeur -- ms yeur prmkary ne`ngr`9 nerrgnt5A. Nerrgnt.

Q. A`d jgnausg el tbat, yeu lgct mt appreprmatg te m`lerk tbg preketgrs, m`ncudmò Kr.Oeòawarg, el yeur ne`ngr`s9 nerrgnt5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. A`d at sekg pem`t, dmd tbgy nekg te jgcmgvg yeu5

A. ]gs.

Q. At wbat pem`t dmd tbgy nekg te jgcmgvg yeu5

A. Kgxmne Nmty.

Q. _as tbat -- was Kgxmne Nmty part el tbg "Daògreus" teur5


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A. ]gs, smr.

Q. _bat bappg`gd m` Kgxmne Nmty5

A. Altgr M teei narg el Kr. Hanise` a`d bg wg`t e` staog, aètbgr denter lrek Gòca`d nakg a`d

assukgd rgspe`smjmcmty ler Kr. Hanise`. A`d wg wgrg m` Kgxmne Nmty ler tbrgg wggis' pgrmed eltmkg. A`d M nakg jani lrek a trmp te tbg pyrakmds, a`d ky sumtnasg, eut el wbmnb M bad acc kykgdmnatme`s m`, was jreig` m`te. A`d at tbat tmkg, tbg denter, yeu ièw, tecd kg wbat -- tbat bgbad jreig` m`te ky sumtnasg te ogt kgdmnatme`s. A`d bg was a cmttcg ne`ngr`gd. Bg dmd`'t wa`t teogt im`d el jcakgd ler a prejcgk tbat bg lgct tbat bg m`bgrmtgd. A`d wg startgd te im`d elneccajeratg jgnausg wg dmd`'t wa`t te taig tbg bmt ler sekgtbmò tbat sekgjedy gcsg bad de`g

jglerg us, a`d wg startgd te stratgomzg e` bew te dgac wmtb tbms smtuatme`.

Q. A`d dmd yeu nekg up wmtb a stratgoy5

A. M nakg up wmtb ky stratgoy.

Q. _bat was tbat5

A. M wa`tgd te9 yeu ièw, dgtex bmk m` a nbacgt m` ^wmtzgrca`d a`d oe e` wmtb tbg teur.

Q. A`d was -- a`d tbms etbgr denter lrek Gòca`d, was tbat a ka` àkgd Dr. Lergnast5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. A`d dmd Dr. Lergnast tgcc yeu wby bg jreig m`te yeur sumtnasg5

A. Te ogt tbg kgdmnatme`.Q. A`d -- jut wbat -- wby dmd bg `ggd tbg kgdmnatme` se jadcy tbat bg jreig m`te yeur sumtnasg teogt mt5

A. Bg dmd`'t bavg a`y.

Q. A`d -- jut wbe was tbg kgdmnatme` ler5

A. Tbg kgdm- -- M bad a sumtnasg lucc el wbatgvgr kgdmnatme` M tbeuobt tbat 1


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Q. _bat spgnmlmn kgdmnatme` dmd bg jrgai m`te yeur sumtnasg te ogt5

A. Tbg pam` kgds.

Q. Dgkgrec5

A. M de`'t rgnacc ml mt was Dgkgrec er kerpbm`g er jetb.

Q. Ei,a`d dmd bg jrgai m` te ogt tbg pam` kgdmnatme` te omvg mt te Kr. Hanise`5

A. ]gs.

Q. Ei,se yeu saw Dr. Lergnast omvg tbg kgdmnatme` te Kr. Hanise`5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. A`d mt's -- wg'rg èw m` Kgxmne Nmty5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. _as tbat tbg lmrst tmkg yeu kgt Dr. Lergnast5

A. @e.

Q. _as bg e` tbg teur wmtb yeu m` Jaòiei5

A. Bg hem`gd altgr Jaòiei er -- mt weucd bavg jgg` -- mt was gmtbgr -- mt kmobt bavg jgg` -- tbg`gxt step was ^mòaperg. Aoam`, degs mt rgaccy kattgr wbgtbgr mt was ^mòaperg er Jaòiei5

Q. Lamr gèuob.

A. Jut mt was rmobt altgrwards.

Q. Ei, _g'cc oe jani te bmk hem`mò. Jut m` Kgxmne Nmty yeu saw Dr. Lergnast adkm`mstgrmò tbgkgdmnatme` te Kmnbagc Hanise`9 nerrgnt5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. A`d -- eiay. Tbg` cgt's oe e` wmtb tbg Kgxmne Nmty stery. Tbg` wbat bappg`gd5

A. Tbgy oet teogtbgr, tbg pewgrs -- tbg bgad pewgrs oet teogtbgr. Tbgy naccgd m` GcmzajgtbTaycer te de a` m`tgrvg`tme`. A`d mt's ky u`dgrsta`dmò a`d jgcmgl tbgy teei Kmnbagc te tbg jgstbespmtac m` tbg wercd, wbmnb tbgy jgcmgvgd te jg Nbartgr @mobtmòacg m` Ce`de`.

Q. @ew, wbg` yeu say tbg pewgrs tbat jg oet teogtbgr, wbe arg yeu tacimò ajeut5

A. M de`'t -- M de`'t ièw, jut mt was tbg pgepcg ajevg ky pay oradg.

Q. Jut tbg preketgrs el tbg sbew5


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A. M de`'t ièw ml mt's preketgrs, kaàogrs.

Q. _as Vauc Oeòawarg part el tbat oreup5

A. M weucd èt ièw.

Q. Ei, Dmd Kr. Hanise` neccapsg er sekgtbmò m` Kgxmne Nmty5 _as tbgrg -- was mt cmig -- wastbgrg a` mssug er hust -- wbat bappg`gd, M kga`5

A. Bg dmd èt neccapsg.

Q. Ei,

A. Mt sggkgd tbat mt -- M -- mt sggkgd tbat Dr. Lergnast was bavmò a bardgr a`d bardgr tmkgiggpmò up wmtb tbg dgka`d ler tbg pam` kgdmnatme`s. Acse at tbat tmkg m` Kgxmne Nmty, M dergnacc tbat tbgrg was a vmdgetapgd m`tgrvmgw ler a dgpesmtme` ne`ngr`mò Nba`dcgr e` tbg nbmcdkecgstatme` nbarog, a`d at tbat tmkg, tbgy bad a vmdgetapgd dgpesmtme` m` Kgxmne.

Q. El Kr. Hanise`5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. _grg yeu prgsg`t at tbat --

A. M` tbg --

Q. -- dgpesmtme`5

A. M` tbg dgpesmtme` --Q. ]gs, smr.

A. -- mtsgcl5 @e.

Q. A`d arg -- dmd tbat dgpesmtme` nausg Kr. Hanise` sekg strgss5

A. ]gs.

Q. Eia`d de yeu jgcmgvg tbat tbat strgss acse m`nrgasgd bms urog te taig tbg epmatgs5

A. ]gs.

Q. A`d se tbgrg was è -- tbgrg was è neccapsmò er a`ytbmò m` Kgxmne Nmty. Mt was hust jasgde` Kmnbagc -- yeur evgracc ejsgrvatme`s el Kmnbagc tbat cgd te a na`ngccatme . Ms tbat wbatbappg`gd5

A. M`tgrvg`tme`.


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Q. M`tgrvg`tme`. A`d se dmd Gcmzajgtb Taycer antuaccy pbysmnaccy nekg te Kgxmne Nmty5

A. ]gs.

Q. Dmd yeu spgai wmtb bgr5

A. @e.

Q. Ei, _grg a`y el tbg sbews m` Kgxmne Nmty na`ngcgd5

A. Vest- -- ml tbgy wgrg 't na`ngcgd, tbgy wgrg pestpe`gd. M de`'t ièw gxantcy bew ka`y wgwgrg snbgducgd, jut M ièw tbat wg bad a` gxtg`dgd stay m` Kgxmne Nmty, kunb ceògr tba` wasa`tmnmpatgd.

Q. A`d M'k assukmò yeu wgrg`'t m`vecvgd m` tbmòs cmig tmnigts er rglu`dmò tmnigts er kevmòtmnigts er a`ytbmò cmig tbat9 rmobt5

A. @e, smr.

Q. Ei, @ew, dmd yeu bavg a` u`dgrsta`dmò el wbat Dr. Lergnast's recg was e` tbg teur5

A. ]eu'rg naccmò kg te spgnucatg5

Q. @e. M'k saymò jasgd e` yeu jgmò tbgrg a`d ejsgrvmò wbat was oemò e`, dmd yeu oam` sekgu`dgrsta`dmò wbat bms recg was5 A`d M'k et asimò yeu wbat bms tmtcg was er -- wbat dmd yeusgg bmk demò5 _bat was bms recg5

A. Bg teei narg el tbg prm`nmpac, Kr. Hanise`.

Q. De yeu ièw wbe was gkpceymò Dr. Lergnast5

A. Ler surg er ler ky spgnucatme`5

Q. Ler surg.Ler surg. M kga`, de yeu ièw wbat -- de yeu ièw wbe was paymò bms nbgnis5

A. @e, M de`'t.

Q. Ei, @ew, was Kr. Oeòawarg m` Kgxmne Nmty5

A. ]gs, smr.

Q. _gcc, dmd yeu spgai te Kr. Oeòawarg a cet e` tbms teur5

A. Bg's ky lrmg`d.

Q. Ei, Dmd yeu taci te bmk gvgry day prgtty kunb e` tbg teur5

A. Vrgtty kunb.


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Q. A`d weucd yeu taci te bmk ajeut wbat was oemò e` wmtb tbg artmst5

A. ]gs.

Q. ê ms mt a lamr assukptme` tbat yeu weucd bavg tecd Kr. Oeòawarg wbat was oemò e` wmtb

Kr. Hanise`'s epmatg prejcgks e` tbg teur5A. ]gs.

Q. ]eu staygd m` Kgxmne Nmty5

A. M wg`t bekg.

Q. ]eu wg`t bekg. Ei,

A`d yeu wgrg cmvmò m` C.A. at tbat tmkg5

A. Nerrgnt.Q. De yeu ièw ml tbg rgst el tbg teur oreup wg`t bekg er staygd, er de yeu ièw5

A. _g acc wg`t bekg.

Q. ê tbat was tbg g`d el yeur m`vecvgkg`t m` tbg "Daògreus" teur5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. Ei, ê de yeu ièw bew ceò a tmkg mt was jgtwgg` tbg tmkg yeu wgrg m` Jaòiei u`tmc tbgtmkg yeu wgrg m` Kgxmne Nmty5

A. Apprexmkatgcy tbrgg a`d a bacl ke`tbs.

Q. Ei, @ew, m` tbat tbrgg a`d a bacl ke`tbs, was tbg teur ne`tmùmò te oe lrek nmty te nmty5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. A`d yeu wgrg e` tbg teur tbat g`tmrg tmkg5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. A`d was Dr. Lergnast e` tbg teur tbat g`tmrg tmkg5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. A`d wgrg gmtbgr yeu er Dr. Lergnast adkm`mstgrmò pam` kgdmnatme` te Kr. Hanise` tbg g`tmrgtmkg5

A. M ièw tbat M adkm`mstgrgd pam` kgdmnatme` e`g etbgr tmkg wbg` Dr. Lergnast was ètavamcajcg. A`d M ièw tbat M saw Dr. Lergnast adkm`mstgr kgdmnatme` m` Kgxmne Nmty durmò tbg


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dgpesmtme`. A`d Dr. Lergnast a`d M wgrg im`d el m` nekku`mnatme` jgnausg bg dmd`'t im`d elwa`t te taig tbg bmt ler wbat etbgr denters bad de`g jglerg bmk.

Q. Ei,a`d dmd yeu bavg a` u`dgrsta`dmò tbat Kr. Hanise` bad prgvmeuscy bad a jur` m`hury e`bms bgad5

A. ]gs.

Q. Ei, _bat ms tbg jasms ler yeur u`dgrsta`dmò tbat Kr. Hanise` bad a jur` m`hury e` bms bgad5

A. Vgpsm-Neca nekkgrnmac.

Q. A`d wbat's tbg jasms ler yeur u`dgrsta`dmò tbat Kr. Hanise` startgd taimò pam` kgdmnatmeàltgr tbg jur` m`hury5

A. Kayjg ne`vgrsatme`s wmtb Iarg` Layg.

Q. A`d wbat ajeut ne`vgrsatme` wmtb Dr. Kgtzogr5

A. @e.

Q. _bat ajeut Dr. -- ne`vgrsatme`s wmtb tbg artmst5

A. @e.

Q. _bat ajeut Dr. Lergnast5

A. @e.

Q. Ei, @ew, smr, neucd yeu pucc eut Gxbmjmt 7, wbmnb ms a paog lrek yeur wgjsmtg. A`d, smr, M jgcmgvg yeu prgvmeuscy tgstmlmgd tbat tbms was yeur "Lrgqug`tcy Asigd Qugstme`s" paog lrek yeurwgjsmtg. De yeu sgg tbat5

A. ]gs.

Q. Ei a`d M wa`t te asi yeu, wbat -- tbg sgne`d qugstme` ms8 "Ms sujsta`ng ajusg a nbarantgrlcaw5" De yeu sgg tbat5

A. ]gs.

Q. A`d M assukg tbat as a` addmntme` kgdmnm`g spgnmacmst, tbat's a qugstme` yeu ogt asigd a cet a`dtbat's wby mt's e` yeur "Lrgqug`tcy Asigd Qugstme`s" paog9 rmobt5

A. ]gs.

Q. @ew, ms mt a nbarantgr lcaw ler sekge`g te jg addmntgd te a` epmatg5

A. @e.


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Q. A`d wby èt5

A. Jgnausg M jgcmgvg mt te jg a jram` dmsgasg. M jgcmgvg tbat pgepcg -- tbgrg's twe dmllgrg`t typgs.Vgepcg arg og`gtmnaccy prgdmspesgd jgnausg tbgy -- tbgmr jedy degs et predung gèuobg`deogèus g`derpbm`s. A`d tbg` M jgcmgvg tbat pgepcg tbat ogt gèuob gxpesurg te tbgsg, quetg,

nbgkmnacs jgnekg -- tbgmr jram` nbaògs se tbat tbgy jgnekg pbysmeceomnaccy dgpg`dg`t upe`tbgk.

Q. @ew, el tbesg twe dmllgrg`t typgs el pgepcg tbat yeu hust kg`tme`gd, dmd yeu bavg gèuobm`tgrantme` a`d ejsgrvatme` el Kmnbagc Hanise` te dgtgrkm`g wbmnb el tbesg twe nakps bg lgccm`5

A. M dmd èt bavg gèuob m`lerkatme` er ejsgrvatme` te kaig tbat ne`ncusme`.

?>8:6 Q. Ei, Jut yeu wgrg ajcg te dgtgrkm`g tbat yeu lgct tbat bg bad a dgpg`dg`ny e` epmatgs9nerrgnt5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. Bg gmtbgr bad a og`gtmn prgdmspesmtme` te mt er bms jram` nbaògd jgnausg bg bad jgg` taimò mt9nerrgnt5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. Ml a -- yeu ièw, ml a pgrse` wgrg te try te kaig tbg aroukg`t tbat tbg rgase` Kmnbagc Hanise`was dgpg`dg`t e` epmatgs was jgnausg bg was a wgai weucd yeu aorgg wmtb tbat5

A. @e.Q. A`d na` yeu gxpcam` te us yeur mkprgssme` el Kr. Hanise` as a pgrse`5

A. Bg was a swggtbgart, yeu ièw, im`d, og`tcg, lu`.

Q. _as bg e`g el tbgsg artmsts yeu bgar ajeut wbe arg ygccmò at pgepcg a`d dgka`dmò tbmòsa`d antmò cmig tbat e` teur5

A. @e.

Q. _as bg im`d te gvgryjedy lrek tbg cewgst -- jasgd e` yeur ejsgrvatme`, was bg im`d tegvgryjedy5

A. Jasgd e` ky ejsgrvatme`, bg was im`d te gvgryjedy.

Q. A`d bg dmd`'t trgat pgepcg jad jgnausg tbgy kmobt bavg jgg` at a cewgr raì el tbg teur9nerrgnt5

A. Nerrgnt.


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Q. ê lrek tbat pgrmed jgtwgg` Jaòiei a`d Kgxmne Nmty, tbat apprexmkatgcy tbrgg te tbrgg a`da bacl ke`tb pgrmed -- Nerrgnt5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. -- was Kr. Oeòawarg e` tbat teur tbg wbecg tmkg5A. ]gs.

Q. A`d yeu bad lrgqug`t m`tgrantme`s wmtb Kr. Oeòawarg tbat wbecg tmkg5

A. ]gs.

Q. A`d mt was yeur u`dgrsta`dmò tbat Kr. Oeòawarg was awarg el tbg epmatg prejcgks tbatKr. Hanise` was bavmò9 nerrgnt5

A. ]gs.

Q. A`d dmd yeu gvgr dmsnuss wmtb Kr. Oeòawarg yeur tbeuobts e` bew yeu neucd pgrbaps, yeuièw, bgcp Kmnbagc ogt jgttgr5

A. _g weucd bavg bad tbat dmsnussme` wmtb Dr. Lergnast.

Q. Ei,a`d de yeu rgkgkjgr wbat was dmsnussgd5

A. _g tbeuobt tbat wg `ggdgd te de a` m`tgrvg`tme`. Bg `ggdgd te jg dgtexgd.

Q. A`d ms tbat wbat cgd te Gcmzajgtb Taycer nekmò m`te Kgxmne Nmty5

A. ]gs.

Q. @ew M sgg. _grg tbgrg a`y -- jgtwgg` Jaòiei a`d Kgxmne Nmty, wgrg tbgrg a`y sbew pestpe`gkg`ts er na`ngccatme`s tbat yeu rgnacc5

A. ]gs.

Q. Na` yeu rgnacc spgnmlmnaccy a`y el tbg etbgr sbew pestpe`gkg`ts er na`ngccatme`s jgtwgg`Jaòiei a`d Kgxmne Nmty5

A. Tbgrg wgrg lrgqug`t pestpe`gkg`ts a`d "na`ngccatme`s."

Q. _gcc, cgt kg asi tbms8 _bg` tbg m`tgrvg`tme` bappg`gd a`d tbg sbews wgrg na`ngcgd m`Kgxmne Nmty -- rmobt5 Arg yeu wmtb kg5

A. ]gs.

Q. Eia`d tbat m`tgrvg`tme` bappg`gd jgnausg el tbat ne`vgrsatme` yeu tacigd ajeut wbgrg yeusamd wg `ggd a` m`tgrvg`tme` jgnausg el tbg epmatgs9 nerrgnt5


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A. @e. Tbat bappg`gd jgnausg Dr. Lergnast -- rgkgkjgr tbms was m` Jaòiei a`d e` vmsmt e`g,a`d èjedy jgcmgvgd a`ytbmò M samd. Altgr Kgxmne Nmty, eiay, yeu `gvgr rghem`gd tbg"Daògreus" teur5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. De yeu ièw ml tbg "Daògreus" teur ne`tmùgd e`5

A. Mt dmd èt.

Q. Altgr tbg "Daògreus" teur, dmd yeu gvgr weri e` a`y etbgr teurs wmtb Kmnbagc Hanise`5

A. @e.

Q. Altgr tbg "Daògreus" teur, dmd yeu gvgr weri e` a`y etbgr teurs at acc5

A. Teurs, è. @e.

Q. Dmd yeu gvgr weri e` a`y kusmn-rgcatgd gvg`ts5

A. Lrgqug`tcy.

Q. A`d neucd yeu omvg kg gxakpcgs el sekg tbat yeu werigd e`5

A. M lrgqug tcy oe eut te tbg -- ogt naccgd eut te cmig tbg ^tapcgs Ng`tgr. êkge`g bas a sergtbreat, sekge`g ogts p`guke`ma, sekge`g spram`s a` aìcg. M was tbgrg wmtbm` tbg cast twewggis.

Q. ê tbat's nurrg`tcy bappg`mò5A. ]gab.

Q. A`d arg yeu -- yeu say yeu oe te tbg ^tapcgs Ng`tgr. Arg yeu ogttmò naccgd eut jy AGO erAGO Cmvg pgrse``gc5

A. M'k jgmò naccgd eut jy preketgrs as a reni den. Neucd jg AGO, neucd jg Oecdg` \emng. Mde`'t ièw, jut sekgbew ky àkg ms eut tbgrg, a`d M ogt naccgd.

Q. Ei, A`d --

A. A`d M de`'t ièw spgnmlmnaccy wbe naccs kg er wby tbgy nacc kg, jut prejajcy jgnausg M'vg jgg` demò mt ler >6 ygars.

Q. A`d bavg yeu jgg` naccgd dew` te Eraòg Neu`ty te de smkmcar weri5

A. ]gs.


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Q. _bg` dmd tbat start, tbat yeu startgd ogttmò naccgd eut te ^tapcgs Ng`tgr te weri as a reniden5

A. Mt im`d el startgd jani m` 1=- -- wgcc, mt's et tapcgs Ng tgr. M na`'t gvg` rgkgkjgr wbg`^tapcgs Ng`tgr was jumct, jut mt -- prejajcy sm`ng 1=26 er '2> wbg` ky ecdgr jretbgr was

kaàomò Ne`ngrts _gst.

Q. A`d yeu tgstmlmgd yeu dmd è etbgr teurs wmtb Kmnbagc Hanise`5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. _grg yeu gvgr ne`tantgd jy a`yjedy te -- m` rgoard te aètbgr Kmnbagc Hanise` teur5

A. ]gs.

Q. A`d wbg` dmd tbat bappg`5

A. Mt was prejajcy wmtbm`, sekgtmkg wmtbm` a ke`tb te twe ke`tbs jglerg bms dgatb.

Q. Jglerg Kr. Hanise`'s dgatb5

A. ]gab. M de`'t rgkgkjgr. M kga`, tbat's a tmkg ler yeu te

Q. Lamr gèuob. M'cc rgprgsg`t te yeu tbat bg dmgd e` 7 Hu`g :7tb, :66=. Eiay5 Degs tbat seu`drmobt5 De`'t ougss. M'cc hust tgcc yeu, bg dmgd e` Hu`g :7, :66=. Eiay5 ê M'k hust oemò te put mt m`sekg pgrspgntmvg. ê assukmò tbat M'k nerrgnt tbat Kr. Hanise` dmgd e` Hu`g :7tb, :66=, yeurtgstmke`y ms yeu wgrg ne`tantgd bew ceò jglerg tbat5

A. A ke`tb te twe ke`tbs.

Q. A`d wbe ne`tantgd yeu5

A. Vauc Oeòawarg.

Q. A`d wbat dmd Kr. Oeòawarg say5

A. "Bgy, ^tumg, yeu kay bavg aètbgr nba`ng. Kmnbagc's demò aètbgr teur te Ce`de`, a`d bg'soemò te wa`t te taig a pbysmnma`."

Q. A`d wbat dmd yeu say jani5

A. "Orgat."

Q. _grg yeu m`tgrgstgd m` oemò e` tbat teur te Ce`de`5

A. \gry kunb se.

Q. A`d tgcc kg ajeut tbg rgst el tbat ne`vgrsatme`.


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A. Tbat Kmnbagc -- e`g el tbg --

Q. Cgt kg asi tbms8 Bew ka`y ne`vgrsatme`s dmd yeu bavg wmtb Kr. Oeòawarg rgoardmò tbgCe`de` teur5

A. Gstmkatg lmvg te tg`.Q. Ei, ê wbat gcsg de yeu rgkgkjgr ajeut tbesg ne`vgrsatme s5

A. M rgkgkjgr asimò ml bg tbeuobt Kmnbagc was ncga`.

Q. ]eu asigd Kr. Oeòawarg tbat5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. Ei,a`d wbat dmd Kr. Oeòawarg say5

A. Bg tbeuobt ygs.Q. _by dmd yeu asi tbat5

A. Jgnausg ml tbat was`'t tbg nasg, M weucd èt bavg jgg` m`tgrgstgd m` oemò e` teur.

Q. Oet mt. Jgnausg yeu dmd`'t wa`t a rgpgat el tbg -- wbat bappg`gd m` "Daògreus"9 nerrgnt5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. Ei, A`d --

A. M dmd`'t wa`t te jg a Dr. @mni.

Q. ]eu asigd Kr. Oeòawarg ml bg tbeuobt Kmnbagc was ncga`. Kr. Oeòawarg samd bg tbeuobtbg was.

A. Bg was ncga`.

Q. Ei, Tgcc kg wbat gcsg yeu rgkgkjgr ajeut tbg ne`vgrsatme`s.

A. M wa`tgd te ièw wby bg tbeuobt tbat. Bg samd jgnausg bg bad a prg- -- a pbysmnac lrek a`m`sura`ng nekpa`y a`d tbat bg bad passgd mt. M ougss bg was m` ne`tant wmtb tbg pbysmnma` tbat

was nurrg`tcy wmtb Kmnbagc, a`d tbat pbysmnma` was tgccmò bmk tbat gvgrytbmò was oeed a`dKmnbagc was streò a`d rgady te oe.

Q. A`d de yeu ièw --

A. A`d bg acse asigd kg wbat M weucd nbarog te oe, te oe e` teur.

Q. A`d wbat dmd yeu tgcc bmk yeu weucd nbarog5


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A. 46 ora`d a ke`tb, 16 ora`d a wggi.

Q. A`d dmd Kr. Oeòawarg kaig mt ncgar te yeu tbat bg wa`tgd yeu te oe e` tbg teur5

A. Kr. Oeòawarg ms ky lrmg`d. M weucd mkaom`g tbat bg weucd wa`t kg te oe e` tbg teur.

Q. Jut bg asigd yeu te oe e` tbg teur5

A. Bg weucd bavg wa`tgd kg te oe e` tbg teur, ygs.

Q. Dmd bg asi yeu te oe e` tbg teur5

A. Bg was werimò e` ogttmò mt se tbat M neucd oe e` tbg teur.

Q. A`d ejvmeuscy, yeu g`dgd up èt jgnekmò part el tbg "Tbms Ms Mt" teur9 ms tbat nerrgnt5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. A`d wgrg yeu -- dmd -- as part el tbgsg lmvg te tg` ne`vgrsatme`s yeu bad wmtb Kr. Oeòawarg,wgrg yeu gvgr m`lerkgd tbat yeu wgrg èt oemò te jg bmrgd te jg e` tbg teur5

A. M kust bavg jgg`.

Q. De yeu rgkgkjgr mt spgnmlmnaccy5

A. @e.

Q. Ei, De yeu rgkgkjgr bew yeu cgar`gd tbat yeu wgrg èt oemò te jg tbg denter te oe e` tbgteur5

A. M was `gvgr bmrgd.

Q. Arg yeu -- M'k trymò te asi ew wbat yeu cgar`gd lrek antuaccy spgaimò te Kr. Oeòawargas eppesgd te wbat yeu kay bavg cgar`gd altgr tbg lant. ê ky qugstme` was, de yeu rgnacc ml Kr.Oeòawarg tecd yeu wbat Dr. Kurray was asimò ler te de tbg teur5

A. M de`'t -- M rgkgkjgr tbat mt was a cet el ke`gy.

Q. Eia`d bg tecd yeu sekg akeu`t el ke`gy, yeu tbmì5

A. ]gs.

Q. Ei, Dmd yeu -- m` tbgsg ne`vgrsatme`s, dmd yeu dmsnuss wmtb Kr. Oeòawarg tbg past prejcgksyeu jetb i`gw ajeut rgoardmò Kmnbagc a`d bms epmatg dgpg`dg`ng5

A. M tbmì M tgstmlmgd te tbat M asigd ml bg was ncga`.

Q. Ei, Zmobt. ê -- jut dmd yeu taci kerg ajeut mt5 ]eu ièw, dmd yeu gcajeratg e` mt wmtb bmk5


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A. _gcc, bg gcajeratgd te kg tbat bg tbeuobt Kmnbagc was ncga` jgnausg, yeu ièw -- a`d tbgrgase` was bg bad passgd a` m`sura`ng pbysmnac --

Q. Zmobt, jut --

A. -- a`d bg weucd assukg tbat yeu weucd nbgni ler sekgtbmò cmig tbat.Q. M was hust trymò te asi ml, e` tbat tepmn, was tbgrg a`y lurtbgr dmsnussme` cmig, "Eb, rgkgkjgrwbat bappg`gd m` Jaòiei," er a`ytbmò cmig tbat. De yeu ièw wbat M kga`5 De yeuu`dgrsta`d wbat M'k saymò5

A. @et rgaccy. M kga`, ejvmeuscy, wg rgkgkjgr wbat bappg`gd m` Jaòiei.

Q. ê mt was u`dgrsteed jgtwgg` tbg twe el yeu tbat yeu jetb i`gw wbat bappg`gd m` Jaòiei5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. Ei, Denter, ms prepelec a` epmemd5

A. @e.

Q. Ei, Jasgd e` yeur gxpgrmg`ng m` addmntme` kgdmnm`g a`d gxpgrtmsg m` epmemds, weucd sekge`gwbe ms epmemd dgpg`dg`t sggi eut etbgr druos etbgr tba` epmemds te bgcp sert el nurj tbgk -- nurjtbgmr prejcgks5

A. ]gs.

Q. @ew, gxpcam` tbat te kg.

A. \gry nekke`.

Q. A`d bew degs mt weri wmtb tbg epmatg-dgpg`dg`t pgrse`5

A. Ler sekg rgase`, tbgy sggk te oravmtatg te OAJA rgngpter druos. A`d mt's prejajcy jgnausgtbgy -- OAJA rgngpter druos arg oemò te petg`tmatg tbg gllgnts el epmatgs a`d ms acse vgrybgcpluc m` jrmdomò tbg ajstm`g`ng sy`drekg tbat ennurs wbg` yeu step epmatgs.

Q. A`d wbat arg sekg gxakpcgs el OAJA rgngpter druos5

A. Tbesg weucd jg yeur tra`qumcmzgrs, Raàx, Atmva`, \acmuk, Cmjrmuk, Tra`xg`g, ^grax. Tbatweucd acse m`ncudg yeur jarjmturatgs.

Q. A`d wbat arg sekg gxakpcgs el jarjmturatgs5

A. Lmermàc a`d prepelec weucd weri e` tbesg rgngpters, tee.

Q. A`d ms prepelec a jarjmturatg5


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A. Mt's èt rgaccy a jarjmturatg, jut mt --

Q. Jut mt's a OAJA rgngpter druo5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. ê weucd a pgrse` wbe bas a` epmatg dgpg`dg`ng, jasgd e` yeur gxpgrmg`ng, sggi eut prepelec5

A. Vrepelec ms a -- bas a vgry jad -- yeu ièw, tbgrg's vgry -- tbgrg's èt a cet el nasgs el prepelecdgpg`dg`ny jgnausg mt's hust èt rgadmcy avamcajcg. @ejedy ièws ajeut mt. Wsuaccy e` tbg nasgsel prepelec dgpg`dg`ny, mt's oemò te ennur wmtb a denter er a ùrsg a`gstbgtmst er sekge`gassenmatgd wmtb tbg kgdmnac nekku`mty. Mt bas a -- mt bas a rgaccy bmob pgrng`taog el latacmty ratg.]eu na`'t pcay areu`d wmtb tbat druo. Ml yeu oe tbreuob tbg cmtgraturg, mt na` jg, yeu ièw, ajeuta` 26 pgrng`t kertacmty ratg. Mt's a vgry daògreus druo te usg eutsmdg a` EZ sgttmò. Tbgrg's èrgvgrsmò aog`ts te mt. Ml sekge`g taigs tee kunb, yeu bavg te jg rgady te pcang tbgk e` avg`tmcater a`d suppcgkg`t tbgmr jrgatbmò. Tbgrg arg sekg, yeu ièw, studmgs el ajeut -- cmig 26nasgs el prepelec dgpg`dg`ny bavg jgg` rgpertgd. At e`g pem`t m` tmkg, M i`gw acc tbg gxantstatmstmns a`d de`'t bavg mt gxantcy m` ky km`d rmobt èw.

Q. Ei, Tbat was mkprgssmvg, tbeuob. ê wbat ajeut acnebec, de pgepcg wbe bavg epmatgdgpg`dg`ng sekgtmkgs ajusg acnebec as wgcc5

A. Acnebec weucd jg ne`smdgrgd aètbgr OAJA rgngpter typg druo.

Q. @ew, yeu wgrg tacimò ajeut bew sekgtmkgs yeu sgg tbg ajusg el prepelec m` pgepcg wbebavg anngss te prepelec, cmig denters, ùrsgs, gt ngtgra9 rmobt5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. Ei,a`d ms tbat -- yeu ièw, wg wgrg tacimò garcmgr ajeut -- serry. _g wgrg tacimò garcmgrajeut bew pgepcg wmtb epmatg dgpg`dg`ng arg èt jad pgepcg hust jgnausg el tbgmr epmatgdgpg`dg`ng. De yeu rgnacc tbat5 ]eu na` a`swgr.

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. Ei,a`d jasgd e` yeur gxpgrmg`ng, de yeu sgg pgepcg lrek acc wacis el cmlg wbe bavg epmatgdgpg`dg`ng5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. Denters5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. Cawygrs5


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A. Nerrgnt.

Q. Hudogs5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. Ketbgrs5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. Latbgrs5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. _gcc, M'k oemò te asi yeu tbms8 Dmd yeu watnb a`y el tbg Ne`rad Kurray nrmkmàc trmac e`T\5

A. @e.Q. Ei, Dmd yeu rgad a`y `gwspapgr artmncgs ajeut tbg Ne`rad Kurray nrmkmàc trmac5

A. ]gs.

Q. ê yeu weucd `gvgr bavg de`g wbat Dr. Kurray dmd9 nerrgnt5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. Dr. Lmìgcstgm`, yeu usgd tbg gxprgssme` m` eur garcmgr sgssme` "reni den." De yeu rgnacc demòtbat5

A. ]gs.

Q. _bat ms a reni den5

A. M de`'t rgaccy ièw, jut tbgy put -- tbg Akgrmna` Kgdmnac `gwscgttgr bad kg e` tbg lre`t paogel tbg nevgr as a reni den.

Q. Ei,Arg tbgrg etbgr pgepcg wbe arg ne`smdgrgd reni dens --

A. ]gs.

Q. M` tbg m`dustry5 De yeu ièw sekg el tbgk5

A. Tbgrg's sekge`g m` Tgxas tbat M ogt a nacc lrek pgrmedmnaccy, M ougss. M de`'t ièw bew yeuràkg ogts e` tbgmr cmst, a`d M de`'t ièw wby tbgy nacc. Mt's usuaccy a kaher m`ne`vg`mg`ng.

Q. _be's tbg denter m` Tgxas5


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A. M de`'t ièw bms àkg, jut M ièw tbat bg's naccgd kg a`d samd, "Bgy, tbgrg's sekgjedy bgrg,na` yeu oe te tbms vgùg a`d" --

Q. Ei, Dmd yeu ogt m`te tbg reni den jusm`gss lrek Vauc Oeòawarg5

A. @e, M tbmì M oet m` mt lrek Jej Lmìgcstgm`.Q. Lrek Jej -- eiay. Oet mt.A`d Jej Lmìgcstgm` usgd te jg part`grs wmtb Kr. Oeòawarg5

A. @e. Kr. Oeòawarg was a read kaàogr wbg` Jej Lmìgcstgm`, M tbmì, was prgsmdg`t elNe`ngrts _gst er -- Ne`ngrts _gst er -- na`'t bgcp kg eut, bub5

Q. M u`dgrsta`d.

A. Kaàogkg`t >.

Q. Kaàogkg`t >, oet mt. M'k oemò te asi yeu ml yeu ièw sekg pgepcg. Eiay5 De yeu ièw

Jra`de` er Za`dy Vbmccmps5

A. ]gs.

Q. _be ms Za`dy Vbmccmps5

A. Bg bas sekgtbmò te de wmtb A`snbutz G`tgrtam`kg`t Oreup.

Q. A`d bew ms mt tbat yeu ièw Kr. Vbmccmps5

A. M'vg sgg` bmk at jmrtbday partmgs. M saw bmk at a jmrtbday party ler Heb` Kgocg`. M ièw tbat

bg weris -- M de`'t ièw wbat bms hej tmtcg ms er gxantcy wbat bg degs, jut M ièw tbat bg werisler AGO.

Q. Bavg yeu gvgr sgg` bmk at e`g el tbgsg sbews wbgrg yeu'rg antmò as tbg reni den5

A. Jgsmdgs m` tbg baccway a`d, yeu ièw, bm a`d senmac5

Q. Zmobt. ]gab, M kga` --

A. ]gs. Bavg M bad -- gvgr bad a kga`mòluc ne`vgrsatme` wmtb bmk5 @e.

Q. Dmd yeu gvgr omvg bmk a lcu sbet5

A. Vessmjcy.

Q. Ei,

A. Vrejajcy M weucd bavg de`g tbat.


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Q. Ei,a`d jani te tbg ne`vgrsatme`s yeu bad wmtb Kr. Oeòawarg m` rgcatme` te tbg "Tbms Ms Mt"teur. M de`'t ièw ml M lm`msbgd asimò yeu qugstme`s. Etbgr tba` wbat wg'vg dmsnussgdacrgady,was a`ytbmò gcsg dmsnussgd wmtb rgoard te tbesg ne`vgrsatme`s5

A. ]gab, M --

Q. M ièw. M apeceomzg. Cgt kg oe jani te ky ètgs.

A. _g weucd bavg dmsnussgd simmò ne`dmtme`s. _g weucd bavg dmsnussgd tbg dmllgrg`ng jgtwgg`^èwjmrd a`d Kakketb a`d wbe bad tbg jgst pewdgr.

Q. Kayjg a` gasmgr way te de tbms ms ml M asigd sekg spgnmlmn qugstme`s. _as tbmòs cmig -- was mtdmsnussgd, ler gxakpcg, wbgtbgr beusmò weucd jg prevmdgd ler yeu m` Ce`de`5

A. @e.

Q. _as mt dmsnussgd bew -- yeu ièw, wbgtbgr tra`spertatme` weucd jg prevmdgd ler yeu te oe teCe`de`5

A. @e. _g -- tbgrg wgrg`'t a cet el dmsnussme`s e` tbg dgtamcs. M dmd`'t ogt bmrgd.

Q. Ei, Zmobt. Oet mt.A`d M jgcmgvg yeu tgstmlmgd jglerg tbat yeu wgrg`'t tecd jy Kr. Oeòawargwby yeu wgrg èt ogttmò bmrgd9 nerrgnt5

A. Nerrgnt -- wgcc, ygs, M was. M tbmì Kmnbagc wa`tgd sekge`g gcsg.

Q. _gcc, jut M'k èw asimò wbat Kr. Oeòawarg tecd yeu.

A. M tbmì bg tecd kg tbat Kmnbagc wa`tgd a dmllgrg`t denter.

Q. Dmd Kr. Oeòawarg tgcc yeu tbat Dr. Kurray was a nardmeceomst5

A. M de`'t rgnacc a`y ne`vgrsatme` te tbat. M dmd`'t ogt tbg hej.

Q. Ei,

A. Kr. Oeòawarg was ky lrmg`d. Bg g`heygd jgmò e` teur. Bg was trymò te ogt kg tbg hej. Mdmd`'t ogt mt.

Q. A`d mt's yeur u`dgrsta`dmò tbat Dr. Kurray oet tbg hej, èt yeu5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. Hust a lgw leccew-up qugstme`s ajeut sekg el tbg mssugs tbat yeu wgrg tgstmlymò ajeut jglergtbg cu`nb jrgai. ]eu tgstmlmgd tbat yeur m`mtmac adkm`mstratme` el kgdmnatme` te Kr. Hanise` m`Jaòiei was kerpbm`g tbat yeu prevmdgd m`travgèuscy evgr -- m`tgrkmttg`tcy evgr a :4-beur

pgrmed. De yeu rgnacc tbat tgstmke`y5


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A. Tbg m`mtmac sbet was Dgkgrec. Tbg

Q. De yeu rgnacc wbat desaog el Dgkgrec yeu prevmdgd5

A. M rgnacc mt weucd bavg jgg` a raòg lrek 76 te a bu`drgd.

Q. A`d ms tbat a typmnac startmò desg ler sekge`g wbe's àmvg te epmatgs5

A. ]gs.

Q. A`d dmd yeu adkm`mstgr tbat sbet m` bms -- Kr. Hanise`'s juttenis5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. ]eu tgstmlmgd tbat tbgrg was a smo`mlmna`t akeu`t el snarrmò tbgrg a`d tbat was e`g el tbg jasgs ler yeur ne`ngr` tbat bg bad a` epmatg dgpg`dg`ng mssug5

A. Nerrgnt.Q. Arg yeu ajcg te gstmkatg er epm`g sert el bew ka`y sbets bg bad bad a`d evgr wbat tmkg

pgrmed jasgd e` tbg snarrmò yeu saw5

A. ^mo`mlmna`t.

Q. Ei,

A. Gxtg`smvg.

Q. A`d arg tbgrg etbgr typgs el kgdmnatme`s etbgr tba` epmatgs tbat arg typmnaccy adkm`mstgrgd m`tbg juttenis5 _by dmd yeu tbmì mt was a` epmatg -- smo` el a` epmatg dgpg`dg`ng mssug5

A. Jgnausg bg bad a Duraogsmn patnb e` a`d jgnausg tbgrg was aètbgr pgrse` e` teur tbat badtwe akpucgs el Dgkgrec tbat wgrg èt m` bms àkg jut wgrg -- tbat was sg`t wmtb bmk.

Q. Ei, A`d ganb akpucg el Dgkgrec -- tbgrg wgrg twe, M jgcmgvg yeu samd5

A. M jgcmgvg tbat tbgrg wgrg twe.

Q. De yeu rgnacc m` wbesg àkg tbg Dgkgrec was prgsnrmjgd er ml tbgrg was a àkg e` tbgDgkgrec akpucgs5

A. ]gs.

Q. De yeu ièw tbg àkg5

A. ]gs.

Q. _besg àkg was mt5


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A. Iarg` Layg.

Q. Jut M jgcmgvg yeu tgstmlmgd yeu u`dgrsteed tbat tbg Dgkgrec was èt ler Ks. Layg, mt was lerKr. Hanise`5

A. Nerrgnt.Q. De yeu rgnacc tbat denter's àkg5

A. Acca` Kgtzogr.

Q. Ei,a`d tbat's tbg denter tbat yeu speig wmtb jy pbe`g tbg lmrst tmkg yeu trgatgd Kmnbagc m`Jaòiei9 nerrgnt5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. Ogttmò jani te tbg tmkg tbat yeu trgatgd Kr. Hanise` m` Jaòiei, de yeu rgnacc wbat tbg

kerpbm`g desaog yeu adkm`mstgrgd was5

A. 16 kmccmoraks.

Q. A`d dmd yeu adkm`mstgr rgpgatgd ? 16-kmccmorak desgs5

A. ]gs.

Q. De yeu rgnacc apprexmkatgcy bew ka`y evgr tbg :4-beur pgrmed5

A. @e.

Q. Ms 16 kmccmoraks a startmò -- typmnac startmò desg ler kerpbm`g5

A. @e.

Q. _bat's tbg typmnac startmò desg5

A. : te 4.

Q. Dmd yeu adkm`mstgr jgnausg yeu bad ejsgrvgd tbat Kr. Hanise` bad a bmob tecgra`ng lerkerpbm`g5

A. ]gs, ler epmatgs.

Q. Ler epmatgs. Dmd Kr. Hanise` say a`ytbmò te yeu wmtb rgoard te bms epmatg tecgra`ng, er dmdyeu dgtgrkm`g tbg desg jasgd purgcy e` yeur ejsgrvatme` el bew bg rgantgd te tbg kgdmnatme`5

A. M jasgd tbg desg purgcy e` tbg ejsgrvatme` el bew bg rgspe`dgd te tbg lmrst m`hgntme`.


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Q. Ei,a`d dmd yeu bavg a`y deujt tbat Kr. Hanise` was antuaccy sullgrmò pam` at tbg tmkg yeuadkm`mstgrgd tbesg pam` kgdmnatme`s te bmk5

A. @e. M jgcmgvgd bg was m` pam`.

Q. Ei, Dmd yeu gvgr adkm`mstgr pam` kgdmnatme` te Kr. Hanise` at a tmkg wbg` yeu dmd`'t jgcmgvgbg was gxpgrmg`nmò pam`5

A. @e.

Q. Hust jgnausg M asigd tbat wmtb a cet el `goatmvgs, cgt kg rgpbrasg mt m` tbg allmrkatmvg. Gvgrytmkg yeu adkm`mstgrgd pam` kgdmnatme` te Kr. Hanise`, dmd yeu jgcmgvg bg was sullgrmò pam` attbat tmkg5

A. ]gs.

Q. Ei, ]eu wgrg asigd ajeut wbat Kr. Oeòawarg i`gw ajeut Kr. Hanise`'s epmatg mssugs tbg"Daògreus" teur. De yeu rgkgkjgr tbat sgrmgs el qugstme`s5

A. ]gs.

Q. Ei, De yeu rgkgkjgr bavmò a`y -- sgttmò asmdg tbat lmrst kggtmò m` Jaòiei tbat yeu jgcmgvg Kr. Oeòawarg attg`dgd wbgrg yeu speig ajeut yeur ne`ngr` tbat Kmnbagc bad a` epmatgmssug, de yeu rgkgkjgr a`y etbgr spgnmlmn ne`vgrsatme`s tbat yeu bad wmtb Kr. Oeòawarg ajeutKr. Hanise` a`d epmatgs durmò tbg tbrgg a`d a bacl, apprexmkatgcy, ke`tbs jgtwgg` Jaòieia`d wbg` tbg teur dmsja`dgd m` Kgxmne Nmty5

A. @e.Q. Ei, ê te tbg gxtg`t tbat yeu tgstmlmgd tbat Kr. Oeòawarg kay bavg ièw` wbat was oemòe`, mt was jasgd e` wbat yeu samd te bmk a`d etbgrs m` Jaòiei wmtb rgoard te yeur ne`ngràjeut Kr. Hanise`'s epmatg dgpg`dg`ny5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. Ei, Dmd yeu gvgr adkm`mstgr prepelec te Kmnbagc Hanise`5

A. @e.

Q. ]eu tgstmlmgd tbat yeu wgrg -- hem`gd tbg "Daògreus" teur m` 1==>. De yeu bavg a`yu`dgrsta`dmò as te wbgtbgr tbg "Daògreus" teur bad kuctmpcg cgos5

A. ]gs.

Q. A`d yeu hem`gd tbg tbmrd cgo el tbat "Daògreus" teur e`cy5 A. M hem`gd tbg teur tbat wg`tlrek Jaòiei te Kgxmne Nmty, a`d yeu bavg tbg -- M sgg yeu puccgd tbg _mimpgdma tbat bas tbg


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datgs e` tbat. A`d M was tbg denter ler tbg sgokg`t tbat wg`t lrek Jaòiei te Kgxmne Nmty. Mwg`t as a teurmst te ^wmtzgrca`d a`d Lra`ng e` aètbgr cgo, jut M bad è m`tgrantme`. Mt was hustvmsmtmò a`d baòmò eut a`d oemò te tbg sbews.

Q. Ei,se yeu u`dgrsteed tbg cgo tbat yeu wgrg e` èt te jg tbg lmrst cgo el tbg "Daògreus" teur9

nerrgnt5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. M jgcmgvg yeu tgstmlmgd prgvmeuscy, jut M'k et surg, tbat yeu dmd`'t partmnmpatg m` tbgm`tgrvg`tme` m` Kgxmne Nmty. Ms tbat nerrgnt, yeu dmd èt partmnmpatg5

A. Tbat's nerrgnt.

Q. M` 1==>, wbmcg yeu wgrg trgatmò Kmnbagc e` tbg "Daògreus" teur, dmd yeu gvgr nekg te jgcmgvg er suspgnt bg was`'t jgmò lertbrmobt wmtb yeu ajeut bms kgdmnac narg5

A. Ky m`tgrantme`s wmtb Kmnbagc wgrg vgry cmkmtgd. As --

Q. Ei,

A. -- M samd, Dr. Lergnast was tbg -- kerg te spgai, tbg attg`dmò pbysmnma`.

Q. _bat pbysmnma`s vmsmtgd e` teur5 De yeu rgkgkjgr a`y el tbgmr àkgs5

A. Ar`mg Icgm` a`d Begllcm`, M jgcmgvg mt was -- kmobt bavg jgg` ^tgvg Begllcm`.

Q. De yeu rgkgkjgr wbg` e` tbg teurs tbgy vmsmtgd5

A. @e, smr, M de 't -- è, ka'ak, M de 't.

Q. A`d yeu rglgrrgd te tbgrg jgmò kerg prejcgks wmtb Kmnbagc altgr tbgy vmsmtgd. Na` yeu jg a jmt kerg spgnmlmn ajeut wbat tbesg prejcgks wgrg5

A. Tbg sbews weucd jg dgcaygd.

Q. Dmd Dr. Lergnast gvgr say te yeu, m` gllgnt, tbat bg was -- tbat Kmnbagc was sgnrgtmvg ajeut bmskgdmnac narg a`d wbat druos wgrg jgmò adkm`mstgrgd5

A. Gvgrytbmò was sgnrgtmvg.

Q. _bat de yeu kga` jy tbat5

A. Mt sggks tbat, yeu ièw, `gvgr dmd e`g den ièw -- yeu ièw, mt sggks cmig èjedy gvgri`gw tbg wbecg stery. Gvgrytbmò was nekpartkg`tacmzgd, a`d pgepcg wgrg sgparatgd a`dsgorgoatgd.


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Q. Etbgr tba` tbg pbe`g nacc tbat yeu tgstmlmgd te m` Jaòiei wmtb Dr. Kgtzogr, dmd yeu gvgrspgai te Dr. Kgtzogr at a`y etbgr tmkg ajeut Kmnbagc Hanise`'s kgdmnac narg5

A. ^pgai wmtb bmk, è.

Q. Dmd yeu gvgr nerrgspe`d wmtb bmk m` wrmtmò5A. ]gs.

Q. Ei, apprexmkatgcy wbg` a`d bew ka`y tmkgs5

A. E`ng, 1==7.

Q. Eia`d wbat was tbg aturg el tbat nerrgspe`dg`ng5

A. Jrad Juxgr bad naccgd kg a`d asigd kg te oe sgg Kmnbagc jgnausg bg was m` pam`. A`d Mwg`t, a`d Kmnbagc bad jani pam`. M adkm`mstgrgd a sbet, a`d tbg` M wg`t e` a dmvg trmp. A`d at

sekg tmkg, yeu ièw, bg na`ngcgd rgbgarsac a`d tbg`, ler sekg rgase`, Dr. Kgtzogr ne`tantgd --yeu ièw, oet m`te pcay. M bad a rgnerd wbmnb was -- wbmnb M laxgd evgr te -- er ky ellmng laxgdevgr te Dr. Kgtzogr e` ky gxakmàtme` a`d wbat wg`t dew`.

Q. ]eu wgrg a`swgrmò sekg qugstme`s rgoardmò at tbg pem`t m` tmkg wbg` yeu wgrgadkm`mstgrmò lmrst Dgkgrec a`d tbg` kerpbm`g te Kr. Hanise` m` Jaòiei. Eiay5 Arg yeu wmtbkg5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. Ei, ê dmd yeu bavg wmtb yeu sekg sert el a`tmdetg ler tbesg kgdmnatme`s5

A. ]gs.

Q. A`d wbat was tbat a`tmdetg5

A. @arna`.

Q. Neucd yeu spgcc tbat5

A. @-A-Z-N-A-@.

Q. Ei, @ew, was tbat a`tmdetg -- was mt tapgd te tbg jgdpest5

A. M` Jaòiei5

Q. Er a`ywbgrg.


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A. @e. M adkm`mstgrgd a desg el kgdmnatme` m` Kgxmne Nmty wbg` Dr. Lergnast was`'t areu`d, a`dat tbat tmkg, ml M'k oemò te adkm`mstgr a kgdmnatme`, M'k oemò te bavg, yeu ièw, M'k oemò tebavg a salgty pca`.

Q. A`d se wbgrg dmd yeu ogt tbg a`tmdetg5

A. M jreuobt mt.

Q. A`d, smr, yeu wgrg asigd sekg qugstme s tbat jreuobt eut tbg a`swgrs tbat Kr. -- M'k serry --Dr. Icgm` nakg te vmsmt e` tbg "Daògreus" teur. De yeu rgnacc tbat5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. De yeu ièw bew ceò Dr. Icgm` was tbgrg e` tbg teur5

A. Bg weucd nekg m` ler a lgw days rgpgtmtmvgcy.

Q. Ei,a`d weucd yeu spg`d a`y tmkg wmtb Dr. Icgm`5

A. @et at acc.

Q. ]eu weucd èt5

A. @e.

Q. _bat ajeut Dr. Begllcm`5 Bew ceò dmd bg nekg e` tbg teur5 Bew ceò dmd -- cgt kg -- serry.Bew ceò er lrgqug`tcy dmd Dr. Begllcm` nekg vmsmt e` tbg "Daògreus" teur5

A. Bg nakg -- M bad te wamt ler yeu te lm`msb tacimò. Bg nakg a neupcg tmkgs, a`d mt weucd jg lera wggig`d.

Q. Ei, Dmd yeu spg`d a`y tmkg wmtb Dr. Begllcm` wbg` bg was vmsmtmò e` tbg "Daògreus" teur5

A. @e.

Q. ]eu wgrg èt e` tbg "Bmstery" teur9 ms tbat nerrgnt5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. ^gttmò asmdg tbesg denukg`ts, eiay, de yeu bavg a`y etbgr denukg`ts rgoardmò KmnbagcHanise`, cmig, ler gxakpcg, a`y kgdmnac rgnerds el kgdmnm`gs yeu adkm`mstgrgd m` Jaòiei5

A. @e.

Q. A`d wby ms tbat, tbat yeu de`'t bavg a`y rgnerds5

A. Ler tbesg partmnucar rgnerds5


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Q. ]gs, smr.

A. Jgnausg tbgy wgrg stecg` m` Msta`juc.

Q. Eb, eiay. ê dmd yeu kaig -- yeu kadg rgnerds at tbg tmkg yeu adkm`mstgrgd tbg

kgdmnatme`s5A. Nerrgnt.

Q. A`d dmd yeu acse kaig rgnerds m` Kgxmne Nmty5

A. ]gs -- è. M` Kgxmne Nmty -- Kgxmne Nmty, M bad -- M igpt a rgnerd el gvgrytbmò, a heuràc elgvgrytbmò M dmd aceò tbg teur. A`d M was janistaog m` a sgnurg -- janistaog m` a sgnurgg`vmre`kg`t, im`d el cmig ky jani te bgrg a`d tbg deer was tbgrg, a`d M bad ky rgnerds tbgrg.A`d tbesg rgnerds wgrg stecg` m` Msta`juc. A`d tbg` M dmd bavg sekg rgnerds tbat -- wbg` M nakg

jani lrek Kgxmne Nmty tbat M cglt at ky kek's beusg tbat M rgaccy bavg trmgd te lm`d a`d rgtrmgvg,

jut M bavg jgg` uàjcg te. A`d tbg` M bad rgnerds lrek e`g vmsmt m` 1==7. Jut ky rgnerds oetlmcgd a`d ml yeu de`'t sgg sekge`g m` sgvg` te tg` ygars, M bavg a sgrvmng tbat hust -- ]eu ièw,se ky rgnerds lrek '=7 oet nuccgd eut jy hust tbg reutm`g jusm`gss el bavmò cets el kgdmnacrgnerds. A`d ml yeu bavg`'t sgg` a`yjedy m` a ngrtam` cgòtb el tmkg, tbgy dmspesg el tbgk.

Q. W`dgrsta`d. ê acc tbesg rgnerds tbat yeu wgrg hust tacimò ajeut, wgrg yeu tacimò ajeutrgnerds el Kmnbagc Hani- -- trgatmò Kmnbagc Hanise`5

A. Wb-bub.

Q. Ms tbat a "ygs"5

A. ]gs.

Q. Ei, A`d se jasmnaccy, a`y rgnerds yeu kay bavg lrek trgatmò Kmnbagc Hanise` wgrg gmtbgrstecg` m` Msta`juc, kmspcangd at yeur ketbgr's beusg, er gcsg hust dgstreygd ler tbg àturac passaogel tmkg altgr èt bavmò sgg` a patmg`t5

A. Nerrgnt.

Q. Neucd yeu tgcc kg ajeut tbg vmsmt yeu bad wmtb Kmnbagc Hanise` m` 1==75

A. M oet naccgd jy Jrad Juxgr tgccmò kg tbat Kmnbagc bad a cet el pam`. M wg`t te sgg bmk. Bgwas m` jani spask. Adkm`mstgrgd a sbet a`d tbg` M cglt.

Q. _as tbms tbg sakg vmsmt yeu wgrg hust tacimò ajeut wmtb Ks. Naba`, tbg jani pam`5

A. ]gs.


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Kr. Jeycg8 ]eur beèr, tbat's tbg g`d el tbg vmdge. A`d tbg` vgry qumnicy, tbgrg's è ejhgntme`te tbg leccewmò gxbmjmts tbat wgrg rglgrg`ngd jgmò adkmttgd m`te gvmdg`ng. Gxbmjmt 1 lrek tbgdgpe ms trmac gxbmjmt >-19 gxbmjmt : lrek tbg dgpe ms trmac gxbmjmt >-:9 gxbmjmt > lrek tbg dgpe-- gxbmjmt 4 lrek tbg dgpe ms trmac gxbmjmt >-1>9 gxbmjmt 7 lrek tbg dgpe ms trmac gxbmjmt >-149gxbmjmt < lrek tbg dgpe ms trmac gxbmjmt >-1?9 gxbmjmt ? lrek tbg dgpe ms trmac gxbmjmt >-129gxbmjmt 2 lrek tbg dgpe ms trmac gxbmjmt >-:6. A`d M simppgd gxbmjmt > lrek tbg dgpe, wbmnb mstrmac gxbmjmt >-16. Tbaì yeu.

Hudog8 Eiay. Tbaì yeu.

(Vcam`tmlls' gxbmjmt ès. >-1, >-:, >-16, >-1>, >-14, >-1?, >-12, >-:6 wgrgkarigd a`d rgngmvgd m` gvmdg`ng)

Hudog8 Cgt's taig tbg cu`nb jrgai a cmttcg jmt garcy, se nekg jani at 18>6.

(tbg hury gxmts tbg neurtreek)

(Cu`nb)

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