Interview Transcript; Qualitative Analysis

Candidate no. 753490

Interviewer . I would like to introduce myself. I am from University of Oxford

and have an assignment; qualitative research assignment to record an

interview regarding consumption of different kinds of music and how and I

would like you to introduce yourself a little bit about yourself what you do and

your age group and all these kinds of demographics and characteristics; so

do you live in Oxford or like?

Respondent. No I don’t live in Oxford and I live about 30 miles north in the

countryside.

I. Ah countryside and what kind of work do you do?

R. I am a commercial director for a Chilean wine company

I. Okay and I mean are you basically from this area, Oxford shire?

R. Ahhh no I am from well I was born in, I was born in south of England so

you know I am south of England and my sort of childhood was more spent

around London and lived most of my life in this area.

I. And are you married?

R. Yes I am. My wife lives in Oxford shire which is why we sort of live around

here

I.Ahh, and what kind of education do you have?

R. I have a degree in agriculture

I. Agriculture?

R. From Reading University. I am half French half English so I can speak both

languages most certainly.

I. Okay.

R. And, and I was 50 in September.

I. Can I ask you what age group you belong to? Are you in 40’s?

R.I said I was 50 in September

I. Oh 15th of September?

R. I was 50 in September (emphasizing loudly)

I. Ohhh okay thank you very much. I did not get that. Sorry about that. So

basically I have seen you on that venue Jazz, so basically you like Jazz music

R. A lots

I. A lots? And do you listen to any kind of other music?

R. Yes I listen to classical music, a lot. I listen to a little bit of folk music but

not very much. Aand I quite like suppose it’s called ethnic music but see it

does not have to be ethnic from Asia. It can be ethnic from Spain or ethnic

from Morocco. And I quite like African music, and reggae I like reggae quite a

lot as well.

I. Ah, you like reggae. So when you were growing up, like in teens, did you

have the same taste?

R. No then I liked the rock music a lot and I used to go as a boy, I used to go

concerts; often on my own about twice a week or three times a week because

I lived in London and very easy because there were lots of bands in the clubs

and you could go and see the bands in clubs so there was quite a different

scene in those days. Well I always liked reggae

I. Okay

R. And then I have always very easy going about musical tastes and so I

have always liked pop music as well and I always liked classical but I agree

but I really really developed a liking for classical and opera I guess in the last

15 years. So Jazz I always liked.

I. So you always liked Jazz?

R. Yes.

I. So you also go to opera and classical music concerts too?

R. I have been, have been to both of those in the last month.

I. Pretty terrific; so it looks like you like live music a lot?

R. No substitute for live music. You can listen to those CDs as often as you

like but see people playing music and to, when you when you see people

perform music, there are only certain times that of which I would describe as

there are in the zone as they are on another plane

I. Right

R. Just playing musical instruments they are all blending together and some

of the past , the hall is greater than some of the past so that’s what I like but

you don’t see it every time.

I. That’s right

R. You know the evening we met you we left we left in half time because we

didn’t enjoy it that much.

I. Okay

R. But this evening I hope it is going to be much better than that.

I. Do you go there often a lot?

R. When we first started going there, nineteen, eighth years ago, and we

used to then because it was a brand new club and it did not have that many

people coming to it and we used to go every week if we could

I. Ahhh

R. Every week, because we thought if we did not go it might stop. There was

nothing of that quality in the area that we could go to on regular basis so we

so we thought we owed it our support. We used to go every week. And it was

one of those days when my job was not so stressful and my wife was not so

stressful. We were free without time so we were able to come on regular

basis. More recently we have been coming probably coming once a month

rather than once a week.

I. Ah; so it is like this place always played jazz music; Right?

R. That venue has many other types of music on other nights of the week.

I. Okay

R. Thursday night is always jazz music

I. So you always; also go to other kinds of music in their?

R. Not their

I. You have other places to go?

R. Yes; I have place to go in Oxford, umm, for classical music and the what

it’s called, the big concert hall on the on Broad street, ah the Shelledonian.

I. Okay

R. You know the Sheldonian, yea, the Hollywell Music rooms

I. Aha

R. I go there as well and occasionally around Oxford there is music in some

unusual venues like some, some of the churches

I. Okay

R. Ahh yes that’s it in the Oxford really. And then we go to the Oxford for

Opera at the new theater as well.

I. Okay

R. And we were there three weeks ago.

I. So when did you start developing; you always liked Jazz. But then you

started loving classical and opera a lot later on. So when did you start you

know developing taste for opera and classical?

R. Aha; Opera I guess, twenty years ago

I. Okay

R. But it has been building. You know the voice is like anything; the more you

know the more you like. The more you are willing to try other things. And so, I

suppose it was the classical music that was my first real concert, was in Italy

when I was invited to concert in Verona and the then it was just a splendid

evening and I could see the opera comes, sorry classical music comes with a

comes with atmosphere that is traditional

I. Aha

R. And that rock music comes with reggae that it comes with that it is specific

and it is the same with opera music as well.

I. Aha Aha Aha so do you still listen to pop music rock music

R. Only in only in nostalgic terms so I don’t listen to new rock music. Very

occasionally I will put on one of my old old CD’s. But no I don’t listen to new

pop music music. I listen to occasionally on radio so I will hear some pop

music that I quite like it but I don’t go to listen to it.

I. So you don’t go to live music anymore pop?

R. Or rock

I. Or rock? That is like when did you start going to?

R. When I was in University I was the entertainments chairman so I used to

organize all the concerts and I organized concerts with many many famous

groups, the groups so that are still famous today.

R. And

R. And I suppose once I stopped having the opportunity to going free and the

music moved on to completely new types of music I lost interest there in

going to see it live and started again to Jazz, Jazz again.

I. I think we should start with the food and talk along a little bit or later more.

R. Yes you are the boss.

R. Bon appetite; what do you say in; what language do you speak

I. Ah we speak basically Urdu

R. Urdu; What do you say in Urdu for bon appetite?

I. There is nothing specific word for

I. Yea

R. There must be an expression

I. Yea

R. Is there a religious expression

I. No not really

I. It is like more like enjoy your food

R. Enjoy your food?

I. Yea like “please khain” (laughs)

R. Enjoy your food

I. It is like “bon appetite”

R. Yea

R. How long you here for?

I. I am here at least for one year

R. Okay

I. For my masters; I will see yea if I can get funding then I will go for my D Phil

but at least one year

R. Okay

I. So who do you go to this club with; I mean your wife?

R. Ahh with my wife and we have developed friendship their over the years.

I. Okay

R. So we always sit at the same table and several of our friends will come or

not come; depending on you know in the early days we used to e mail each

other and say we are going tonight; see you their now we take pot luck so

they are their then there and if they are not their then not there. And that it is

not strictly true because I e mailed someone who regularly used to go saying I

was going tonight and was he coming along and he said yes he probably

would .

I. So you met them at the same venue like by inviting people?

R. In the beginning there were not many people who supported the club

I. Aha

R. Like to try to make sure to go in a group and today there are still many

people there you know used to go in the beginning

I. Okay

R. I would say a dozen people who go their regularly who have going since

the very beginning

I. It was like that they were the pioneers of that who built the club from the

early time but they are still going?

R. Yea; I think for the quality of the music I think that was exceptional

I. Did the club had the same owner for the last eight years? the same owner;

or did they change; the same owner yea, like the guy who owns the place?

R. Oh owner sorry, umm no; so the pub itself has been through many many

changes of ownership till the time but it was not the pub that puts the music

on

I. Aha

R. The pub has the room

I. Okay

R. And then either less sit down or less people use it because they bring

customers in for the drinks. So there have been ups and downs over the

years some strange periods when we have not felt that the pub was well

committed to the jazz. My be may be the manager of the pub saw pop music

or local rock bands something they would prefer to have

I. So were people like giving owner lots of inputs? or did they ask lots of input

from you?

R. Umm

I. Like you were like all patrons of the club

R. Well the people who organize the jazz the organizers who also mostly play

take play from the three evenings out of four, they would play with a play with

a guest artist but they would provide the backings for the guest artists. And

then every fourth week a complete band would come so they don’t they don’t

play. Those people we know personally people people who organize the club

they would not do anything without asking for a opinion. The people who own

the venue really own the pub with a big room upstairs that they have to do

something with, otherwise it is a waste of space they are not making any

money out of that space. And I don’t think I don’t think the jazz well I am going

to say the jazz patrons may be don’t drink very much. Probably they do may

be I am underestimating

I.Is there any kind of music which you don’t like or never liked in your life?

R. Yes the answer but what it is is hard to define ah and there is a lot I mean

because classical is a broad spectrum, there are classical music I don’t like.

Often if I am listening to radio 3 with my wife at home if there is a music on

that I don’t like I often say sure heard it another day switch it off so she says I

don’t think you are liking this so yes but defining it is over my heart. So you

want some quantitative quantitative results then I am not sure I can give this

to you. I tend to like more things more restoration sorry not restoration,

enlightenment period so 16th century, 17th century, 18th century classical

music. And rather than more recent music. And I don’t like phantom music

that much

I. You don’t like phantom music that much?

R. I do like jazz piano but I don’t like classical piano that much.

I. What you call that music genre or genre its like the different kind of music

you call it. It’s like classical I mean you you don’t like some forms of classical

but what about what about any other kind of music?

R. Type of music?

I. Type of music.

I. I mean its like lots of people dont like classical, opera, don’t like hip hop or

or.

R. Well if it is good I like it so, it does not matter matter what type of music it

is.

I. Yea.

R. If it is well done I like it

I. Research shows that people who do like one kind of music and they don’t

like other kinds of music. People who classical or opera it’s like they are not

much into listening to hip hop or what you call ah, other kind of music you

know

R. Yea, I think, Maybe we are confusing what we are listening to than like it.

I. Oh

R. Because I like listening to quite a lot of music but I don’t like go to listen to

and I don’t search it out; but if I hear it on the radio, oh that’s good I like that,

then its slight difference there.

I. You also listen to opera and jazz, especially jazz on CD’s, tape recorders or

radio?

R. Yes.

I. What kind of mode do you like like besides live what kind of mode do you

prefer?

R. What kind of?

I. The mode you know like what kind of like CD, DVD or while driving you

listen to radio

R. Ah, I listen to radio a lot

I. Okay

R. I believe jazz as much

R. Not so much, not so much jazz on the radio.

I. Okay.

R. It’s mainly classical and radio 3 has jazz late at night which is too late for

me. And on Saturday afternoon, when I am driving on Saturday afternoon or

when I am sitting down reading a book on a Sunday afternoon I listen to the

jazz then but it most often clashes with what I am doing on a weekend.

I. Okay.

R. So I mainly in the week I listen to classical music and and and modern

programming from radio 3 tends to include a little more ethnic music and its

more what we say catholic in its approach to programs and I would not switch

on the radio if there is hip hop program and if there any hip hop program on

the radio that then I would it is good. I love indie music as well but I don’t

much about it much about it but I like it.

I. So you would listen to all kinds of music on the radio?

R. Exact.

I. So but it when it comes to a live you prefer to go to certain kind of music?

R. Yea.

I. Well there are different kinds of jazz music; I was just going to jazz music

profile yesterday like I was reading yesterday Latin jazz, New Orleans jazz

and still other kinds of. Is there any particular kind of jazz do you listen to?

R. Mostly b bop, b bop influence

I. Okay aha

R. And I don’t really listen to New Orleans jazz

I. Okay; Aha

R. I like it but if I see it being performed live but probably I would like it for an

hour and after an hour I wanna go and listen to something else and the next

thing I am going to say is highly contradictory but this evening the

performance I am going have very very strong on improvisation very strong

improvisation like this key board player I know a bit.

I. Okay

R. That I heard on four or five occasions before, is a well known improviser.

Normally I don’t like improvised music too much. I like tune and Iike to be able

to follow the beat. So they play with the tune too much and they play with the

beat too much and it loses me and unless they have something else about it I

don’t like it so much. I do like, I am not sure what its called gypsy gypsy jazz.

I. Okay

R. Spandau ballet that type of jazz I like that I don’t listen to it a lot,

but I like it. And and I like big band jazz. For I like certain form of swing jazz

I. Swing jazz?

R. Swing jazz a lot and.

I. Who in swing jazz you like a lot?

R. Ah mainly b bop, b bop is my number one.

I. Okay.

R. It is this type of music they play in its b bop, post b bop b bop influence

I. So this venue plays lots of b bop music, that’s why?

R. A lot in jazz has very large b bop influence

I. Okay; beside they play your kind of music is there any special thing about

this venue that you really like about it

R. I like about it, I like the informality of the arrangements

I. Okay

R. Obviously I like the fact that I know everybody.

I. Aha

R. So it’s bit like a social social evening as well. I like about it that they always

give us a table in front if the stage.

I. Okay.

R. Because that’s where I wanna be if I am their listening to the music. Not

being distracted by the people talking. And that’s not bad. There are quite

other things I don’t like about it as well. You want me to tell you about that.

I. Sure.

R. I don’t like ventilation don’t like ventilation at all; it’s far too hot, especially

in summer.

I. Aha.

R. And you know sometimes very very difficult to stay in their because it is so

hot.

R. I don’t like the fact that it is very dirty and the chairs are bit uncomfortable

and I don’t like the fact that they serve, serve beer in plastic glasses upstairs

so you have to get downstairs if you want beer in proper glasses.

I. True.

R. These are things I don’t like well.

I. Well it seems like you know these are pretty trivial things as compared to

the music they play and you have been going there for a long time.

R. Sure

I. More than a cutomer like relationship you know. The same thing you do to

go over and over again and you like the place yea so the music the kind of

music they play is really important to you and the social setup?

R. Yea right; absolutely and as I said if we if we don’t like the music we would

probably leave in half time. Probably whenever we left in half time four times

in all the times we have been coming and if my wife would does not leave

before the end probably one time in three usually, we stay till the end.

I. Is it any other venues you know in Oxford?

R. In Oxford no really not recently.

R. Bull in the Arms has occasionally has jazz; occasionally have been there

but no not really for jazz.

I. So that is your favorite place?

R. Yea.

R. Umm the Zodiac the bar I am not sure if it is still called the Zodiac on

Cowley on the Cowley Road.

R. Umm sometimes you go their but this is the place?

I. This is the place?

R. By the quality of the music it has improved over the years.

I. Over the years?

R. You know even with very very good start with, they have never let their

standard dropped.

I. And because of people who like these things it’s like you give them your

input?

R. Occasionally, yea occasionally.

I. But does this happen a lot?

R. Well I have been to other jazz venues as well here in Oxford but

sometimes I will see another band and I will drop them an e mail and say you

should get this band if you can or you should listen to this band and see if you

like and agree for to the club.

R. And every year they put themselves forward for the parliamentary jazz

awards.

I. Aha

R. And they always come first.

I. Okay.

R. So there is always a questionnaire to provide you like the sort of questions

you are asking; why do you think it should be the jazz venue of the year etc.

And It will never win because it is too small and there are not enough people

coming or they are not enough people voting. But you know it is exceptionally

good and the fact it is small, it is little bit secret it is probably a good thing.

I. A good thing?

I. So in spite of these few things you know the music is so good that you think

like you think.

R. Sure.

I. That’s interesting.

I. And who would I mean, like if you would like to listen to somebody live who

would be the first you would love to listen to

R. Jazz; some body living or dead?

I. Both.

R. Somebody dead; Mark Davis, John Goldframe. All of those are famous but

then they were in prime and I was not that interested into; like when they were

75 just playing for the sake of playing. And and living; Ahh well I prefer

saxophonists and trumpet players, I prefer brass, the strings.

I. Okay

R. And so when I do like jazz violin I do like jazz piano when it is very well

done so when we come when we come to the jazz if the guests is a guitarist,

we would not come. I particularly like jazz jazz guitar b bop style, most b bop

style but if it is a pianist we definitely come if its trumpet we definitely would

come if it is trump boniest we definitely would come, if it is a vibes player we

probably would not come and like it is a vibes player tonight.

I. Okay.

R. So will, we will see.

I. So for even those people who like certain kind of music, even within that

music there are different versions which you don’t like?

R. Yes absolutely.

I. That’s very interesting.

I. Who would be the living person you would like to listen to?

R. Live? Well there are many people who come here who are who are just

that far away from the top. There is a saxophonist called Glard Axefole who is

an Israeli; he is very good. There is a local violinist called Kristen Garret; is

very very good There is a very good English, I am sorry British trump boniest.

That is right and there are other players who come; they are very good. And I

really like the bass as well as one of the one of the people who helps to

organize is not one of the main organizers a man called Ralph Misraqi; he is a

classic player ; he is one of the I would say one of those five best in the

country

I. And he comes to play here right?

R. He comes to play here regularly.

I. Same venue?

R. Same venue; I think he is playing tonight

I. Vow that’s nice

I. Do you have I mean do you have any kind of I pod you listen to?

R. I do but I am not very good with it.

I. Oh you are not very good with it?

R. When I go on journeys, when I fly half way around the world then I make

an effort to make make my I pod you know.

I. What kind of music do you listen to in I pod?

R. Very similar; ah some African music ah mainly classical what I don’t like

about I pod is sticking ear plugs in my ear. It isolates me from the world you

know so I don’t like.

I. But do you also listen to jazz as well?

R. Yea surely

I. Rarely, sometimes or lots of times?

R. Ah

R. Like?

R. 50 percent

I. 50 percent; what like lots of classical and opera?

R. Yea opera

I. If you have to compare all the three kinds of music like jazz, opera classical,

ah which would you prefer now like most interested in?

R. I can’t say anything.

I. Or it’s like all of them are the same?

R. Well they are right for different moments so if you like this moment here

sitting here while having dinner.

I. Aha?

R. Probably ah some kind of well it could be either classical or jazz no opera

not opera when I there are people talking

I. Aha

R. So on the I pod that’s where I would definitely listen to classical and not

lying about much being separated from the world. Can’t listen to opera when

you talking more than other form of music

I. So it all depends upon say your circumstances, moods?

R. Yea moods.

I. Yea?

R. Very much.

R. And I think it all varies. And it is something which is like lot of people like

same kind of music but it all depends upon mood and venue and

circumstances and you pretty are into that as well.

I. Yea.

R. And the most frequent music that you listen to is music that is live

I listen to music every day and it is not always live I would say no.

I. But if you were given a chance?

R. No because I would not I could not spare the time.

I. Well let’s say if you have the time?

R. If I had the time I would prefer to listen to live music

I. But now it’s like beside live you listen to car or car radio. What about DVD

and CD?

R. I don’t listen to music on DVD very much

I. Aha

R. CD a lot CD is number one but radio is number one. CD would be number

two

I. Aha

R. A live would be number three

I. Okay

R. And I pod would be number four.

R. What I don’t what I don’t like about I pod there is nothing to look at and I

am quite a visual person. That’s why I like live music. But I don’t like visual

experience of watching music solely on DVD. There is not much but opera is

different because its theater as well as atmosphere.

I. Does these mediums, I mean listening to music does the medium varies

accordingly like you wanna listen to one music live more than more on CD or

maybe you wanna listen to I mean does it vary much accordingly.

R. If I could afford this, I would go to opera one in week or I would go as often

as I come here to jazz.

I. Okay

R. But because it costs 40 or 50 pounds for tickets, I cannot afford to go for

more than once every three months.

I. So you prefer to listening to opera live more?

R. Well; opera live is more of an exceptional experience than jazz live

because live opera live is an entire orchestra; a very large group of singers.

Ten percent of those singers will be exceptional singers of which you know

there are few hundred in the world, the top whack and you in the theater at

the same time. So an opera is much more multi , it is a multi entertainment.

I. Aha.

R. And multi music form event. Of this jazz is jazz is a little bit more mono

proposition. At jazz the visual sight that is where people need to play the

instruments . And for opera it is visual sight it is watching people perform and

act out.

I. Right.

R. Story.

I. Aha.

R. And and the stage sets on the hall are also very visually arresting and

visually compatible.

I. So that’s very interesting to note I mean we can say that a good hypothesis

that opera is visually more entertaining than any other kind of visual music

like the theater, the surrounding , the acting.

R. Yea; people who like dance I think ballet also has that and I do like that

form of body dance but not ballet I really don’t understand ballet.

I. Are the lots of people who like opera also like ballet?

R. I guess so

I. What kind of people do you think goes to goes to this venue?

R. There are lots of students they come because it’s a cheap entry for them

I. Okay but do you think they don’t like the music that’s why they are their

because of cheap entry?

R. They don’t; well by definition the student population is more transient so I

am not sure whether the same people are going week after week but I get

the feeling that the students would go for an event

I. Okay

R. To get together as friends and nothing much different to do. As far as

people like me who have been going for years don’t go so much for the social

event; go for the music, listen to the music, and don’t talk through the music.

I. Okay.

R. And yea.

I. So that’s very interesting observation, any other kind of who go their

regularly like what kind of people would go regular who would be really

interested in music and not for socialization?

R. Well seems to me that they are mainly men

I. Aha this is what I have observed

R. Oh you have really observed that; so they are mainly men. They are

middle to late middle to even quite old age.

I. Aha.

R. Quite a few men go on there on their own without their partners.

I. Okay.

R. I would say people who go there a lot know a lot about jazz, about the

world of jazz, about great players of jazz in the past that is not me where I go

I really go because what I really like what I see there. I can’t I can’t hold any

in-depth conversation about the recording or anything. So that’s not me.

I. So although you are very much interested into music but you have seen

other that they are really into history and of culture of music itself as well?

R. Yea.

I. Interesting.

I. So your wife is as interested as you are in music, jazz music as well?

R. Yea.

I. Although despite of this fact or hypothesis that women tend to like jazz

music much lesser than men

R.Is that right; who said that?

I. Well that’s what the observation was like.

R. A lot of people who come does not mean that they are only men that who

really like it you really can’t say.

I. But there are a lot of who are over there are without their partners

R. That’s right

I. So what can be like you can get out of this; is it that their partners don’t

really like jazz music or

R. Maybe they like it as much may be may be but I don’t know whether it is

true may be men like to do things more regularly than women. I don’t know

whether this is true or not but this is possible and women are too in music and

then there are other duties that men don’t have in the same way

I. So what about your wife; she also is very busy?

R. She is very busy but she loves the music.

I. And you think she loves jazz as much as you do?

R. Yea.

R. She has very different approach towards it

I. So it is not the company or for company’s sake because you like music?

R. No.

I. She would also go because of you; it is not like that?

R. No no it’s not like that. We would have stopped going a long time ago.

I. Do you play any musical instrument?

R. I used to; I used to play key boards.

I. Aha.

R. And but yea no other no other instruments

I. Nothing more; key board is like not really jazz; is it lot of jazz not really?

R. No not a lot.

I. You play key boards but you don’t play anything related to jazz like

saxophone?

R. No.

I. So you have never been annoyed by any kind of music?

R. Annoyed by?

I. Like music “I don’t like this music, I don’t like this music. Please turn it off”.

R. Yes I do, like I told you earlier when I am on this radio quite often I say “no,

can’t stand any more of this”. That is something I frequently say, “Can’t stand

any more of this.”

I. What kind of music would be that?

R. It is hard to explain. It is sort of classical romantic music; I really don’t like

very much. I don’t like dissident music music that does not; music that is not

harmonic. I prefer, I prefer melody and harmony. Anti melody and anti

harmony which is one of those you know there are composers around who

specialize in that. And music that I really don’t like, I don’t like that soapy pop

music. There is really lots of very bad pop music around so I really can’t stand

listening to it.

I. Okay so even within the music genre; I can’t say the word which you say in

music. The same kind of music you like, within that music as well few things

like few components of that music that you don’t like?

R. Yea absolutely jazz as well, classical as well, and you know opera too.

Probably there are only a dozen operas which are I would really really enjoy

and then it might be another and there would be you know other sessions I

would happy to watch but would not remember in the same and then for the

rest of the night I would be thinking I am not sure why they bother compose

this; this is not for me.

I. But what about like the different kind of music; I mean leaving aside opera,

jazz and classical music, is any kind of special music that you would say is

stupid or annoying or boring, “no no please”?

R. Ahhh the fact is that I really don’t know the classification of it is but there is

a type of music called R and B, the modern R and B not the traditional rhythm

and blues which I like. I like blues music.

R. Aha I don’t really understand the soul; I don’t really understand the soul

music.

I. Okay, okay.

R. There does not seem to be any tune. There does not seem to be any; I

don’t know. Does not does not resonate to me.

I. So did you listen to classical, jazz and opera while you were going up or

you were listening to rock music; you liked jazz though

R. I liked I Iiked jazz though. My parents liked more singers I guess. And I

liked Frank Sinatra very much. I liked that type of music and I liked fabulous

kind of music that I grew up with. I did really grow up with classical music.

And I am not sure but my father liked singers like Jim Reese, Frank Sinatra

and you know those sorts of singers he liked. That’s what I grew up with.

I. So do you think like your family has little influence on your choice of music

as well while you were growing up?

R. Yea because I liked music I did not I did not think at any point that oh my

father listens to rubbish music like you know I would never listen to this type

of music. I just needed to understand the music.

I. So did you go to any concerts along with your parents?

R. No not really.

I. It was more of like your own independent?

R.Yea.

I. You started going to rock concerts.

R. Yea.

I. And you switched over to other different kinds of music although you liked

jazz all the time?

R. Yea.

I. And you also went to concerts like jazz music concerts even when while

you were growing up?

R. Yea.

I. Much less or ?

R. Much less yea, I used to go to punk music. And you know those were the

days when punk you know that type of music; used to go there a lot more.

I. So that can be a good hypothesis you know the age you know the age

plays a possible influence.

R. Yea; it probably does.

I. Yea.

I. In your observation of the venue; you have been going there for a long time

do you think class or education explains certain kind of music choice?

R. More of a kind.

I. What about jazz?

R. Probably.

I. Probably.

I. So what do you think what kind of people would be more interested in jazz?

R. Ahhh I would say the sort of people who like jazz these are terrible really

generalizations I can’t really back it up. It is a feel.

I. I mean it would be a hypothesis; just the feel you know.

R. Yes.

R. I think they are liberal

I. Okay

R. And I think they are they are not, they are not the people who reshape

society

I. Okay

R. And they tend to be little bit more introverted; and not necessary high

achievers

I. Okay

R. They like to drink.

I. Aha.

R. And they are probably more, more middle class, than working class.

I. Okay.

R. Or upper class whatever you may call it. But class does not have any

meaning these days.

I. Okay.

R. And probably as you rightly said they are of certain age.

I. Any particular kind of occupation?

R. I get get the feeling they are more in the public sector than the private

sector.

I. Well that’s interesting.

R. But whether this is specific to this club or jazz to general I don’t know. But

that’s definitely the strong feeling that I have.

I. What about those typical tastes which are like, for example like for Great

Full Dead music; drugs you know; any kind of specific attitudes associated

with jazz. Heavy drinkers or less drinkers, drugs or no drugs or clean; any

attitudinal things like you told me they were liberals? You know how they

behave themselves in daily life?

R. When it was okay to smoke, there were lots of ordinary smokers going to

jazz.

I. Aha.

R. Jazz has always been associated with smoky environments and that does

not happen anymore because they can’t smoke in the venue. I think to enjoy

jazz you do have to have a drink. It’s more enjoyable with the drink and.

I. Any special kind of drink like opera would be more wine and Champaign?

R. Yes! Of course.

R. But.

R. It’s more bear.

I. More bear?

R. Yes more bear.

I. So it’s more of a middle class?

R. Yea yea more basic.

I. Like opera is supposed to be very expensive.

R. It is.

I. It is more high class, specific kind of people.

R. Yea and they want to make an occasion of it. When they spend, when they

spend lot of money they then wanna make it a very special occasion so that

they will buy some Champaign; In jazz they would buy some more beer. It’s

less of a special occasion

I. Jazz is like less of special occasion but it’s more like you can have a drink.

But at the same time it’s much more than a working class. I mean it’s not a

working class?

R. I don’t think so. It is little bit more intellectual.

I. More intellectual?

R. It is little bit more intellectual and it is little bit more secretive. It is not, it is

not widely placed. For instance there is no regular jazz FM or AM. You have

to go to digital now if you are listen to jazz. Yea if you wanna all day jazz, the

only alternatives are internet or the digital radio. And there are not all that

many famous players anymore.

I. Aha.

R. The extremely famous jazz players are either dead or died. It does not feel

very contemporary someone who is young wants to get in to listening jazz

and understanding jazz the best jazz are mostly introduced at the bar. It is bit

like classical composers.

I. Right right.

R. The best classical composers are all dead.

I. All dead.

I. Do you think that makes you like all that kind of music much less popular?

R. Yea.

I. So you think

R. Because there are no personalities, living personalities that you can

comment on you know everything today is about celebrities and being able to

hear what people think; can find out what they were doing last night; who they

are sleeping with. Well that is not that is around.

I. Right but

R. It is very linear time related engagement.

I. Right; it is pretty unlike pop or rock having all the celebrities; all the gossips

about that. It’s like classical stuff.

I. So what you call these two prime musicals like classical and jazz, most of

the pretty famous people have died?

R. The big difference with classical music is that it has shifted from the

composers which being the most important people, to performers as the most

important people in the world of classical music so they perform the work of

dead composers

I. Okay

R. But if they perform as well they become very very famous in their own

lives. Now with jazz it is different. It is that the best players, the best

composers and the best recording artists are mainly from the past. That does

not feel like a terribly contemporary art form.

I. So they perform the old music?

R. Yea.

R. But there is lot less money in jazz. That’s half in it. Okay the famous

performers of classical music can make a lot of money. The famous

performers of jazz music don’t make, don’t get a lot of money. And then they

are all not that famous. If I ask ask any of my friends to name a few modern

day jazz artists they would not be able to do it. Not even one.

I. Even though that they are the people, really interested in jazz music?

R. Not no I suppose no. The people who are not interested; my

contemporaries who are not interested in jazz would not be able to name one

contemporary alive today playing on the circuit jazz musician I guess. Yea I

cannot think of name one who can me quite good. Lots of probably I can

name just from just from general knowledge one or two classical singers, one

or two classical musicians, probably one or two opera singers. So the

promotional jazz music is very much secondary than all the other music forms

I. I think, thank you very much for your time. I gained great knowledge

R. Pleasure; I hope it helped you.

I. Thank you very much. I hope you enjoyed the food.

R. I did; thank you very much