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INT: uh::(3.5)

INT: >is it good<? (addressed to person setting up video camera)(0.2)

PER: yep (set-up person leaves room)(0.3)

INT: okay(1.1)

INT: so em::(0.7)

INT: so you’ve(0.5)

INT: got(0.2)

INT: >the majority of the information anyway [I mean]< the ↑priority the most important thing really is that em

TRE: [yea](0.3)

INT: obviously you can withdraw at any (0.3)

INT: [time] (.) from this todayTRE: [yea]

(0.2)INT: apa::rt from when it goes (.) on to the

(0.5)INT: [internet]TRE: [then it’s [too lat]e then yea] ha ha if your [in trouble you change your mind then ha

ha]INT: [yes] [ha-ha-ha exactly]

(0.3)TRE: ↑oh ↓oh [ha ha ha]INT: [but up until] that [point and] will we will TRE: [yea]

(0.2)INT: sort of tell you when that point’s [gonna be after] that we couldTRE: [that’s all right just won’t watch any of it]

(0.2)INT: [yea::] (.) yea:: [maybe yea:: >I wouldn’t be able to watch] ↓mine< TRE: [ha ha] [ha ha ha ha ha ha]

(0.4)INT: em:: but yea just let you know you can withdraw at any [point] and even during TRE: [yes]

(0.2)INT: today if you don’t feel comfortable with any of the [questions] obviously you can [just

say]TRE: [mmhm] [okay]

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(0.7)INT: >that’s fine< but hopefully they are nothing too invasive=TRE: =okay yea=INT: =lets hope it wont °xxxx°

(0.4)INT: >↑yo’d’you want any< do you want a drink of [water or (.) are you all right]?TRE: [eh I’m okay thank you]

(0.6)INT: EM::: (.) and did Alasdair kind of tell you a bit about the [s:::tudy]?TRE: [eh something is if eh::]

(1.1)TRE: education like

(0.7)TRE: some kind of education thing go

(0.3)INT: yea=TRE: =about teaching and eh helping teachers eh

(0.3)TRE: [understand]INT: [yea: basically] there’s not that there’s not that many teaching em:::

(0.9)INT: sort of

(0.2)INT: eh materials for:: looking at qualitative research

(0.3)INT: quite undervalued in

(0.3)INT: undergrad[uate]TRE: [yea]

(0.6)INT: em::

(0.3)INT: teaching you know on undergraduate [modules]: to do with psychology I think it’s

become TRE: [yea]INT: more and more popular

(0.4)INT: em::: so that’s why

(0.4)INT: Alasdair set this up really just to have a go a good kind of teaching

(0.6)INT: em

(0.4)INT: sort of

(0.2)INT: ha(h) eh material [you can] use TRE: [yea]

(0.5)INT: >teach people how to do qualitative< research and how to do interviewing

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(0.6)TRE: [>yea]INT: [em]

(0.3)INT: yea different types of interviewing and stuff so

(0.9)INT: ahh::

(0.3)INT: ↑yea that’s pretty much what its about

(0.2)TRE: em=INT: =yea and that’s what’s >gonna be made available< on-line (.) [so it can] be used by by

everybodyTRE: [yea]

(0.4)INT: yea and then there’s gonna be a book (.) as well I don’t know if you’ve heard about

[that] TRE: [yea] he said some wa::: (.) other or something on it

(0.4)TRE: else just like everyone when he

(0.5)TRE: lectures so [when he mentions] stuff like eh Alasdair’s boringINT: [right]

(0.5)INT: eh he(h) ha ha teach eh

(0.2)INT: so he men(h)tions some(h)thing new you trying to

(0.2)TRE: [yea writing eh and your try(h) to eh (.) yea focus ye(h)a]INT: [xxx to xx xxx right okay (.)your trying to take everything in]

(0.4)TRE: and he goes off in a tangent and your like hang on [mmh xxx]INT: [.h eh °yea°]

(0.4)INT: yea we really wha what the book

(0.2)INT: about is em its its (.) based on these interviews em and then each individual person

gonna write a chapter (0.4)

INT: about different qualitative research methodologies so (0.3)

INT: grounded theory eh interpretative phenomenological analys(h)is ha ha its called (0.3)

INT: .hhh em and then at each say each >individual< writes a chapter about different so its basically a good kind of methodology metho methodological (0.3)

INT: handbook (0.2)

INT: on how to carry out different sorts of qualitative research so its really used for that

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(0.6)INT: as well which is gonna be used for undergrad[duate] TRE: [right]

(0.6)INT: research methods as well

(0.8)INT: so that’s what its about [really] TRE: [rig]ht

(0.3)INT: Yep?

(0.7)INT: okay so I’m need just close this window cause xxx slight noisy its not

(0.7)INT: really too bad we’ve just got a massive

(0.2)INT: waste (noise of closing window).

(0.2)INT: eh

(0.3)INT: uh:

(0.4)INT: truck

(0.2)INT: that’s [stopped outside] (.)↑Yea::↓ all good (.) timing TRE: [eh good timing]

(0.2)TRE: [xxx]INT: [xxx]

(0.6)INT: I think its quite quiet now there’s not students around has everyone gone [home]? TRE: [well]

(0.2)INT: [xx pretty much]TRE: [en we have our] exams at the:: (.) beginning of ↑May so

(0.4)TRE: [so they’ve all finished xxx xxx ] (.) INT: [right:: so back home time isn’t it]? [but] your obviously from Liver[pool]TRE: [em] [yea] I live [in]INT: [yea]TRE: just by the ((LOCAL PLACE)) (.) so:[:::] not to far for me to get [to] INT: [okay (.) nice] [mmhm]

(0.7)TRE: oh yea I’m I’m originally from here so

(0.2)INT: right (.) this is not too far for you to [travel] (.) so you don’t have to go home

[anywhere] TRE: [yea]TRE: [no]INT: cause your already [here] ha ha ha

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TRE: [no] (0.2)

TRE: this is ho::me [a ha ha ha] around around [the city centre] so INT: [yea] [around here]

(0.2)INT: aw:: bri[lliant]TRE: [mm]

(0.8)INT: okay well like I said em::

(1.5)INT: yea (.) basically: you know any questions or any any (.) anything you wanna kinda

(0.3)INT: °you know°

(0.7)INT: eh:: say or if you want a break or anything [just just tell me] and we can stop the

recordingTRE: [yea okay]

(0.2)INT: an that’s fine

(0.2)TRE: okay=INT: =does that sound [alright?]TRE: [that’s great] thank you

(0.4)INT: okay so as you know this this (.) >this project is about< friendship

(0.8)INT: em I want you to think about one of your ↓friends: (.) and can you tell me how you

became (0.2)

INT: friends with this ↓person(0.7)

TRE: eh::(0.9)

TRE: he’s on top of my uh (0.7)

TRE: best friend I suppose uh (0.5)

TRE: I was a(0.3)

TRE: I was working as a fitness in↑structor (.)°for the°(0.6)

TRE: council and he was er uh(0.3)

TRE: he was a customer >an he< (.) he used to ↑come in like every day so we just eh (1.5)

TRE: its what(0.2)

TRE: its about twelve ↑years ago (0.6)

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TRE: and eh::(0.7)

TRE: and we just got to know each other an then like he came on a few of the staff nights out and then eh (0.6)

TRE: an eh were still friends ↑now (.) an that although I’m m m (0.2)

TRE: not a fitness instructor cause (0.4)

TRE: I got ill:: an (0.3)

TRE: you know we(0.2)

TRE: you know (.) I hope always (.) stay friend:::s eh (0.5)

INT: [okay::]TRE: [there are so] we’re still good friends::: eh

(0.5)TRE: ↑although he he lives in Runcorn now

(0.5)TRE: I still live in Liverpool and I would eh

(0.5)TRE: post to us or speak to you on the phone:: an

(0.4)TRE: see each other like

(0.3)TRE: once a month twice a month

(0.6)TRE: for a night out talk

(0.3)INT: uh okay

(0.2)INT: and does he tend to go to Liverpool or d’you [tend to] go to:TRE: [eh put]

(0.6)INT: Runcorn=TRE: =if we g go for a night out he tends to come over here and he’ll stay in my’ome and

four xxx xxx (0.2)

TRE: but he lives like in the middle of nowhere↑ we tend to go [where an xxx] it’ll be like house party or a barbeque so we’ll stay over there an

INT: [eh::::n](0.3)

INT: ri[ght::]TRE: [if we’re having] a night out he’ll come over here cause the:::

(0.8)TRE: he prefe::rs like Liverpool cause

(0.2)TRE: it’s where we always used to go when we were younger anyway

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(0.2)INT: and bit more going on [in Liverpool] as [well] TRE: [yea] [mmhm]

(0.2)INT: ye[a]TRE: [yea] I think it might be the memories when we were young and mad as [well (.)

ha ha ha]INT: [ha ha ha

ha](0.2)

TRE: and ha:::ir an:: [ha ha ha ha]INT: [ha ha ha ha]

(0.2)INT: .hh

(0.2)INT: >there’s quite a< there’s quite a nice [variation] as well I guess isn’t it so you’ve got

kinda your place TRE: [yea]INT: over here or you [can]TRE: [yea]

(0.5)INT: have a bit more of a party

(0.5)INT: and then his place:: in the middle of nowhere but [you can] still have TRE: [yea]

(0.2)INT: like mates [around]TRE: [go round] play on his Wii and [stuff an] INT: [yea hu ha]

(0.2)INT: barbeque an

(0.2)TRE: yea it it’s nice it’s good (.) good good friendship y’know it’s good to have a friend

that you know you can always (0.8)

TRE: turn to an that [y’know eh]INT: [mm::]

(0.4)INT: yu if you pick if he picks up the phone like an now you know

(0.7)TRE: I’ll be there an like

(0.4)TRE: vice versa so

(0.5)INT: yea:

(0.2)TRE: lucky in that sense so

(1.6)TRE: you know (.) best friend like Tom so

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(0.3)INT: ye[a]TRE: [its] why he springs to mi:nd cause he’s he’s more like a brother↑

(0.2)TRE: relationship that a friendship I suppose

(0.6)TRE: ach you know when you get that really

(0.2)TRE: close friend (.) and [given that] you know all each other’s things an stuff INT: [yea]

(0.4)INT: mmhm

(0.5)TRE: you know

(0.4)INT: an an does that does that differ (.) em from your ↑other friendships that you’ve got?= TRE: =eh

(0.4)TRE: I’ve got I’ve

(0.8)TRE: I’ve got lots of frien::ds but

(0.3)TRE: I’d consider about like one or two

(0.5)TRE: best friends Tom’s probably like

(0.4)TRE: best friend cause he’s he’s got come to be me best man I’m planning on getting

married two thousand and ten so(0.2)

TRE: [I’ve been a he’s like] the INT: [ah eh okay]

(0.3)TRE: the best man type of

(0.4)TRE: friend and I’m just like

(0.2)TRE: other friends you know but

(0.4)TRE: like

(0.5)TRE: friends that blokes friends that are gi::rls that are (.) friends you can talk to them but

(0.5)TRE: you know you’ve just like different

(0.3)TRE: almost you have like friends where you wo::rk

(0.4)TRE: [now and I’m xxxx] build relationships like in University an wo::rk an INT: [mmhm]

(0.4)

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TRE: so they’re sort of friends but eh yu you know you have (1.0)

TRE: different types of frie::nds (0.8)

TRE: >d’youse< know what I’m [say::ing like] asINT: [yea different groups] an [like xxx relationships]TRE: [yea like different relation]ships

some are more like family [and] some are people you go out and have a drink with INT: [mm]

(0.4)TRE: no somebody else will

(0.2)TRE: some you’ll see like in a wo:::rk relationship and

(0.3)INT: yea

(1.2)INT: yea=TRE: =yea

(0.6)INT: so what what kind of (.) em:: so you’ve been friends with Tom for twelve years=TRE: =yeaINT: this friend

(0.4)INT: em::

(0.8)INT: and

(0.3)INT: what what kind of things would you do together to yea sort of pass the ti::me what

kind of=TRE: =yea

(1.1)TRE: ↑eh:

(0.4)TRE: we’d play golf:: eh

(0.8)TRE: eh

(0.2)TRE: poo::l

(0.2)TRE: bow::lin

(0.4)INT: mm=TRE: =eh

(0.8)TRE: now when we see each other (.) na we we used to play eh

(0.8)TRE: when we were young before we’d go

(0.3)TRE: xx club xx he’s married now (.) my ad um

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(0.3)TRE: and >I’m engaged< an

(0.3)TRE: marry her (.) when we were living at home like and that it was eh

(0.3)TRE: it was different >it would< it would be like Friday Saturday an Sunday an

(0.3)TRE: now we like we play golf couple times a week where as you grow up an you get all

the commitments=INT: =mmhm=TRE: =and I think (.) things change but we still get the odd game of golf em:

(0.7)TRE: like ↑work commitments like he’s he’s working like he runs his own business now so

I mean(0.4)

TRE: your commitments are different so its hard to try you know (0.3)

TRE: you can’t just decide >oh I’m gonna fo gonna play golf< couple times this week an(0.3)

INT: yea::=TRE: =and stuff so

(0.6)TRE: and like the weekend when I’m like you sort out spending time with your partner and

em cause you haven’t seen (0.5)

TRE: they cause they’re working or out an that so you don’t really feel like saying (0.2)

TRE: aw I’m just gonna I’m just gonna leave you for four hours and go and play golf and(0.2)

INT: yea:(0.3)

INT: yea you want to spend more time=TRE: =yea

(0.2)INT: time with your partner=TRE: =yea

(0.3)INT: yea

(0.5)INT: so is that em (.) so you feel li like the the activities that that you do to get the have (.)

changed since since you’ve known each other (0.3)

TRE: They have changed we’re lucky eh even (.) mi my partner and his partner they get on really well so (0.2)

INT: [mm:]TRE: [I mean]

(0.3)TRE: like (.)they can have girlie night and

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(0.6)TRE: ah um

(0.2)TRE: we can go off like eh (.) to the pub or something or

(0.8)TRE: now so so so it work works quite well so

(0.2)INT: yea=TRE: =and for eh

(0.5)TRE: I think for quite a lot of it we just like to have barbeques now sitting around drinking

[rather than] going out INT: [°ha ha ha°]TRE: down the [slow xxxx xxx] INT: [ha ha ha ha]

(0.9)INT: [that’s age for you eh::]TRE: [for we did we used to] (.) and you get older and your fin::d that it takes three of four

days to recover and its just like no(0.2)

INT: yea::[ha ha ha] ha ha ha TRE: [don’t want a hangover]

(0.2)INT: .hh can’t cope with that [much] to [di:]TRE: [yea] [especially] if you

(0.3)TRE: when you’re wo::rking the next day or [something its just] like oh I won’t mhm and

you just wanna die::=INT: [mmhmm]

(0.2)INT: [yea:: ha ha]TRE: [it’s it’s all right] when your before twenty one and you know

(0.5)TRE: you di >you just don’t get<

(0.3)TRE: you just don’t get hung↑over and then (.) you know

(0.2)TRE: after twenty one each year slowly gets worse I find

(0.2)INT: yea (.) [yea] TRE: [mhm]

(0.2)TRE: either that or or I’m drinking more mhm [eh ha ha ha ha] INT: [ha ha ha ha]

(0.3)INT: .hhh so would you say that think that the (.) the (.) the activities you do together as

friends now:: (0.4)

INT: tend to be sort of mo::re

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(0.4)INT: em relaxed:: (0.8)TRE: [yea] INT: than [than] what you used to [previously] in terms of [like say drinking after xxx xx]TRE: [yea] [def definitely more that’s for

sure] when a(0.2)

TRE: eighteen nineteen an that we’d go (0.4)

TRE: go ous go about (0.4)

TRE: seven o’clock at night we’d go till two three o’clock in the morning an=INT: =mmhm

(0.2)TRE: like eh

(0.4)TRE: I’ve ave

(0.7)TRE: I I’d got a a i::ll eh (.) I’ve got M E so

(0.3)INT: [okay]TRE: [like I] was different pe::rson before so

(0.3)TRE: I could I could go all night I’d be like dancing from eight o’clock at night till three

o’clock in the mor::ning like a foo::l an(0.3)

INT: yea=TRE: =whereas now like an xxx

(0.4)TRE: you know u:: (.) just go out

(0.2)TRE: prefer to go to restaurants and sit there and talk:: and then you know go to a club

afterwards and (0.5)

INT: [okay]TRE: [I just] spend a few hours there:: an

(0.6)TRE: we ↑[like to go somewhere where we tal::k I su::

(0.4)TRE: don’t know don’t know if it’s an a::ge thing but

(0.4)TRE: yu did (.) you didn’t ta::lk so much when we were young we just go out and we stand

there and have a drink an(0.4)

INT: [yea]TRE: [but now] I couldn’t xxx

(0.3)

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TRE: dunno if its >cause we don’t see each other< as much we [(.) had to] go out and catch up an

INT: [mmhmm](0.7)

TRE: ta::lk(0.4)

INT: [yea]TRE: [like old men] with our with out ↑pints and [we ha ha ha ha]INT: [ha ha ha ha]

(0.2)TRE: put the worl::d to [rights:]INT: [ha ha]

(0.2)INT: .hh does you think it do you think it (.) then::

(0.4)INT: cause it sight sounds like you say you activities you do together have changed [so]TRE: [yea]

(0.2)INT: from going kinda

(0.2)INT: clubbing and partying (.) obviously seeing each other a lot [more prob]ably then TRE: [yea]

(0.4)INT: so no::w more relaxing and talking

(0.4)INT: d’you think that em:::

(0.5)INT: it was:: (.) your illness that that changed those activit::ies↓ or d’you think its just

(0.2)INT: the ↑a::ge or the circumstance or or (.) or it’s the location cause your

(0.5)INT: because you moved awa:y from each other d’you

(0.2)INT: what what what what d’you think had the biggest

(0.5)INT: impact on

(0.2)INT: [change]TRE: [on me yea] (.) I think

(0.5)TRE: things

(0.2)TRE: getting ill or I (.) I lost ma jo I got

(0.3)TRE: I got fired from my job [cause] (.) cause I worked for the cou::ncil INT: [okay]

(0.6)TRE: eh

(0.4)

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TRE: and then a:d to come to terms wiv (0.2)

TRE: being(0.8)

TRE: I was one I was (0.4)

TRE: cam fifth in Britain’s fittest ma::n(0.4)

TRE: just before I got ill so I went from being fit to(0.3)

TRE: this so I ha::d to come [to be]INT: [mmhm]

(0.2)TRE: terms with my life again but

(0.3)INT: yea=TRE: = like I had

(0.3)TRE: you know you loose a lotta friends when [that happens] you know people that you

trai::n with INT: [mmhmm]

(0.3)TRE: that’s why I say Tom’s a really good frien::d cause you know

(0.5)TRE: he

(0.6)TRE: he respected as if xx what was going on and he was there to support me but he wasn’t

in my fa::ce so (0.2)

INT: yea=TRE: =I don’t think for me now

(0.4)TRE: >good to< I just had to grow and cha::nge but I think that a:: ge affects it

(0.4)INT: yea=TRE: =as well an::

(0.5)TRE: I think when you settle dow::n and your in a relationship an

(0.3)INT: yea:=TRE: =you

(0.3)TRE: you know like eh

(0.4)TRE: you know your part::ner sort of becomes your bu your best friend like his wife will be

his best friend and like (.) Stephanie’s like (0.2)

TRE: I suppose you’d say my proper best friend now cause (0.4)

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TRE: you’re the::re together all the time an you talk and you share stuff and=INT: =yea

(0.2)TRE: you know (.) although you know you talk to your friends about some things you

wouldn’t (0.2)

TRE: say that you wouldn’t sha::re with your partner and stuff so (0.3)

INT: yea(1.8)

INT: okay(1.0)

INT: em(0.4)

INT: so ↑how how how about other friends I mean do you do similar (.) thing::s with other friends=

TRE: =eh::(0.4)

TRE: yea I go out (.) spread my xxx xxx ai::r(0.4)

TRE: eh (.) go out for a meal eh (.) or (.) go for a (.) drink around tow::n and(0.9)

TRE: and at wo::rk(0.4)

TRE: eh m To Tom’s still the person I will sit there till four o’clock in the morning eh::(0.6)

TRE: to ha uh ha put the wor::ld to rights with but wh when I go out like (.) it’s a (0.4)

TRE: I tend to eh:(0.3)

TRE: still get up an(0.8)

TRE: make a fool out of myself and dance and (0.6)

TRE: mm but eh(1.2)

TRE: its:: like some friends and I used to see like em (0.2)

TRE: like eh(0.2)

TRE: like Univer::sity and stuff and you know (0.5)

TRE: and:: you don’t you don’t really go for a drink with em and stuff so there’s eh=INT: =mmhmm

(0.4)TRE: so that’s nice as well you just go for a coffee an

(0.5)TRE: stuff and that cause eh

(1.4)

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TRE: no its its its its a nice xxx its just xx thin:::g(0.4)

TRE: you (.) you know you (0.5)

TRE: not gonna get hango::ver or anything like [ha ha ha ha]INT: [ha ha ha ha]

(0.4)INT: your safe in [that knowledge] that coffee over here [yea]?TRE: [mm yea] [yea]

(0.5)INT: yea so there kinda slight sort of slightly different things than you [do with] other

friends yea TRE: [yea]

(0.3)INT: .hhh em

(0.6)INT: so you say you’ve got different groups of friends so you’ve got University pe people

you met at [University↓ ]TRE: [yea]

(0.6)INT: eh::: and then you’ve got work colle::a[gues] TRE: [yea]

(0.4)INT: em

(0.5)INT: is there any is there anyone else i in that in that partic in the particular group of friend

that your(0.3)

INT: that your close to?(0.6)

TRE: eh::(2.1)

TRE: no I >did have another best friend< but eh I’d known him for a long ti:me but eh (0.3)

TRE: he started taking drugs and he changed so em we haven’t well (0.2)

TRE: we e:: xxx gone through it(0.5)

TRE: like I was to ill to be my friends eh best man so I was meant to be the best man an I let him down a week before the wedding (0.4)

INT: oh [eh::]TRE: [every]thing then

(0.3)TRE: wi we tried to be friend carry on being friends you know but he cha::nged so much

that eh (0.7)

INT: ri[ght::]TRE: [you] know eh::

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(0.8)TRE: I had to walk away::

(0.6)INT: aw okay so so you so he started (.) taking [drugs] before before th his [wedding] TRE: [yea] [yea]

(0.5)INT: and then you couldn’t be his best [man because] of the TRE: [yea mhm]

(0.2)INT: [because of your illness] (.) [and] how did how did he react to that TRE: [ yea I was too ill] [yea]

(0.3)TRE: eh

(0.6)TRE: ↑oh it ↑was a horrible situation cause I cause I ended up having to tell my friend I did

(1.2)TRE: me other frien(h)d ha ha ha an be his best man an

(0.4)TRE: I felt I felt worse and I was like

(0.2)TRE: look if you really need someone to do it I’ll do it and he was like no:: you can’t do it

your too ill an(0.4

INT: [mmhmm]TRE: [it it was just a] nightmare an

(0.8)INT: yea:: and how did that make you feel [know knowing] that you couldn’t TRE: [eh::]

(0.2)INT: [couldn’t be the °best man for him°]TRE: [oh and you feel crap and that] cause especially when you’d eh

(0.8)TRE: know you’re close friends cause you’d feel you you to be sort of in the middle cause

(.) you know like cause you’ve got two best frien::ds an was like (0.3)

TRE: hang o(h)n ha (.) you know phe ha(0.3)

TRE: ha(0.2)

INT: [yea absolutely]TRE: [what do you do] hmhph

(0.2)INT: yea::: so and then

(0.3)INT: so

(0.4)INT: em what what do you feel that changed then after that incident well not being able to

be best man what how d’you feel that (0.3)

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INT: .hh that changed your friendship?(0.6)

TRE: eh:::(1.8)

TRE: I don’t re::(0.5)

TRE: I don’t ↓know mean just eh:(0.2)

TRE: you know eh(0.5)

TRE: Jim he you just eh(0.3)

TRE: he just kept getting worse and worse and more selfish and selfish and(0.3)

TRE: [he was] saying nasty things about (.) my friends ehINT: [mhm]

(0.5)TRE: wife behind her back an

(0.4)TRE: like and that an

(0.2)TRE: you know and then he used to come to my friend saying stuff about me like trying to

play us off an (0.7)

TRE: like I >didn’t say anything< (.) I was just like (.) you know (0.5)

TRE: I’ve had enough(0.2)

TRE: [my friend] carried on an he’s like INT: [mmhm]

(0.2)TRE: well you got to make an effort so I made the effort and each time it was just like your

getting more and more (0.3)

TRE: let dow::n I was just like you know there’s no point=INT: =yea

(0.2)TRE: and that was it you know you xxx

(0.6)TRE: and it start effecting

(0.3)TRE: you an (.) per::sonally an how you fee::l and

(0.9)INT: [yes]TRE: [cause] people do change over ti::me an

(0.2)INT: yea

(0.2)TRE: you know events and life affects people so you

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(0.7)TRE: no its its understandable but when you get to a certain point where you think hang on

this is (0.2)

TRE: its just not wor::king=INT: =mm

(0.5)TRE: ss

(0.5)TRE: suppose like you know when you had em (.) bad relationship in the past you know

and it comes to the time when you say hands [up] you know INT: [mm]

(0.2)TRE: not not doing me eh:: (.) any good you gotta

(0.2)TRE: >you gotta< walk away:

(0.2)INT: yea

(0.5)INT: how how when when d’you think you know when that points is (.) [would you say?]TRE: [yea]

(2.3)TRE: eh when you start getting angry about it I’d say and you know you know and it it

(0.3)TRE: it can have

(0.3)TRE: s’more bad things than positive things [about it] INT: [mmhm]

(0.2)TRE: [of of a] relationship an its just like INT: [mmhm]

(0.3)TRE: >you know<

(0.4)TRE: he

(0.3)TRE: its just like hang on he’s really

(0.7)TRE: making hay may hay hate him and its just like

(0.2)TRE: no

(0.4)TRE: when you start feeling like that you know it’s a bad place to go so

(0.5)TRE: I mean

(0.2)TRE: I think its better to walk away than

(0.8)TRE: keep getting hu::rt an you know an (.) getting into (.) fights and arguments an s

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(0.6)TRE: [life’s] too short for that INT: [yea]

(0.4)INT: so you kinda weigh up

(0.3)INT: the think [kind of negatives and positives] in that in that [sense when] it becomes

more detrimental to you:: TRE: [pros and cons] [yea]

(0.5)INT: that’s [when you] think it’s time to to [walk away] TRE: [yea] [cause when its] affecting your friends and your

[relationship with] other people as well an INT: [mmhm]

(0.7)INT: yea::

(0.5)TRE: naw >you gotta gotta< (.) s:uppose it’s like the greater good you gotta take everything

into consideration and an=INT: =mmhm

(1.2)TRE: you just harra make the choice sometimes choices in life aren’t easy but I mean you

know (0.8)

TRE: you have to make them (0.4)

INT: absolutely so how’d (0.2)

INT: how did you go about then (0.3)

INT: em (.) ending that friendship? (0.3)

INT: in that sense(0.4)

TRE: eh::(2.4)

TRE: dunno it wa it was weird the levels xxx xxx(0.2)

TRE: past the last year I was eh taking ah(0.4)

TRE: a friend and and his wife out to dinner(0.6)

TRE: in it cause they had taken myself to dinner a few times cause I’d become a student an all (0.2)

INT: yea=TRE: =wasn’t wor::king so I was oh like ah like a thank you for you know

(0.4)TRE: you know (.) look helping us out an stuff so

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(0.3)TRE: >he was just like<

(0.3)TRE: xx a xxxx

(0.3)TRE: I’m coming along an I was like (.) yea de I said this this dinner is y’know

(0.5)TRE: eh a thank a thank an havin a going out another date for my birthday an

(0.3)TRE: I just felt he was being abusive to me so I just like oh

(0.3)TRE: I tell you what

(0.4)TRE: forget it an

(0.5)INT: [right]TRE: [I’m no(h)] eh >I was like I was like< don’t don’t don’t call me we’ll call you I was

just like (0.3)

TRE: the fact that I was that I was (0.4)

TRE: that was it an(1.1)

TRE: no(0.7)

TRE: he (0.4)

TRE: but I think I think he got the message that I were just (0.7)

TRE: had enough(0.2)

TRE: nothing at all in my voice an (0.6)

TRE: that haven’t bothered (0.4)

TRE: calling him and he hasn’t called me so(0.2)

INT: okay(0.4)

TRE: that’s not definitely not friendship it was eh (0.4)

TRE: I always think it was sad cause it all(0.7)

TRE: known him since I was eh (0.5)

TRE: sixteen in ↑college [so I mean it was] it was a long (.) [it was a long eh] INT: [okay] [you’d know him] for [a long time] TRE: [old friendship an]

(0.2)

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TRE: so we hadn’t(0.4)

TRE: di di did [but he’d changed] so much into someone I didn’t recognise any more an INT: [mmhm]

(0.4)INT: ye[a:::]TRE: [an that that] (.) that’s the problem with him

(0.5)INT: yea

(0.7)INT: yea:

(0.8)INT: and em

(1.6)INT: and then

(0.2)INT: you you sort of mentioned that you know not not being able to be best best man

(0.5)INT: you felt had some impact on the relation[ship]TRE: [yea]

(0.2)INT: .hh did this coincide with him (.) him taking

(0.7)INT: drugs as [as we::ll] TRE: [I think that’s what I eh he went to Australia earlier

(0.8)TRE: and an: (.)°mphm°

(0.2)TRE: that’s when our relationship bit eh [change it] was (.) eh few years ago two thousand

and threeINT: [mmhm]

(0.5)TRE: um

(0.3)TRE: like

(0.3)TRE: for us pu (.) I I started going out with eh

(0.8)TRE: Stephanie my partner an

(0.5)TRE: eh

(0.5)TRE: like he was always like

(0.7)TRE: oh:: you gonna go up on Saturday you coming out it was like ho::me

(0.3)TRE: I’m wi Stephanie an

(0.5)

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TRE: you know I’d when I’d want when I was like eighteen I was like are you coming out and he’d like (.) oh I can’t come out I’ve got no pants cle::an and stuff like [that an]

INT: [right] okay

TRE: eh and this sorta changed like when I when I when I got a relationship he wanted to go out all the time I was like(0.2)

INT: ok[ay]TRE: [hang on] you know ha ha

(0.2)INT: yea:

(0.30)TRE: >don’t know< and then he went to Australia little but I think he started dabbling with

drugs and stuff over ther::e (.) with some of his friends an(0.3)

INT: ok[ay] TRE: [and he] came back and he do but he was different but

(0.3)TRE: you know (.) I kept on

(0.7)TRE: trying:: [an]INT: [mmh]mm

(0.3)TRE: >but it was getting< you don’t you don’t a good friends a good friend an=INT: =yea

(0.5)TRE: but

(0.3)TRE: s’only so much you can

(0.6)TRE: d[o]INT: [you] can take

(0.2)INT: yea (.) absolutely so you feel like

(0.2)INT: .hh that when when you got into a relationship (.) that had an impact as well

(0.2)INT: for him [became he] felt like he didn’t [have] TRE: [yea] [yea] before he felt he probably felt hurt like

(0.3)TRE: and he Trev us Trev was always there you know just give him a call and he’d be on a

Saturday night and I’d be like uh (0.3)

TRE: hang on you know(0.2)

TRE: some night I was a wassa (0.2)

TRE: I wasn’t [the::re an] INT: [yea]

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(1.1)TRE: you know an

(0.4)TRE: but I was older eh him was nearly twenty-one you know and you sounding like you

start (.) settling down anyway (0.4)

TRE: and I don’t wanna go out drinking till four five o’clock in the morning em=INT: =yea

(0.5)TRE: you know come out for a few hours an

(0.8)TRE: but again I got i::ll so

(0.3)TRE: everything was changing for me anyway so=INT: =yea

(0.5) TRE: so

(0.5)TRE: its just eh

(0.2)INT: [so it wasn’t]TRE: [its complicated]

(0.3)INT: ye[a]TRE: [m]

(0.5)INT: an eh absolutely

(0.5)INT: em

(0.2)INT: so that so em::

(0.3)INT: T↓o↑m (.) the guy you were talking about a eh the beginning

(0.3)INT: em how how long how long can you imagine staying friends with Tom for

(0.5)TRE: probably be friends forever me and Tom an

(0.3)TRE: we’ve had two

(0.2)TRE: but eh some we’ve had our eh

(0.3)TRE: we’ve fallen out eh an you know as mates (.) as family do an that

(0.2)TRE: [we’ve had] ar::guments we’ve disagreed and stuff an that but INT: [yea]

(0.4)TRE: you know

(0.3)

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TRE: we’ve always both (.) I suppose you could say it’s a (1.0)

TRE: don’t know if its my life an like eh he’s he’sees his like (0.3)

TRE: texted each other an I said I’m sorry I’ve gone like (0.3)

TRE: yea yea we’re a bit were a bit stupid an you know we’ve just sort of like [put up our hands an]

INT: [made up](0.3)

INT: [ha ha ha]TRE: [cat and] carried on an

(0.6)TRE: that’s why I suppose that’s a sign of a

(0.6)TRE: a >good friend< cause you have a like other friends so when I trained used to have

lots of training(0.3)

TRE: friends the (.) the people I trained about(0.2)

TRE: [once I was] unable to tra::in INT: [mmhm]

(0.7)TRE: like a lot lot of my friends

(0.2)TRE: stopped being friends and all the fitness instructors that were friends with were just

like=INT: =mmhmm

(0.5)TRE: the sort of

(0.2)TRE: slo slowly and slowly and that you might be contacting them and like you know (.) its

stu get its getting longer and longer for them to contact you back [and its jut like] INT: [yea::]

(0.6)TRE: oh you know they’re not really

(0.5)TRE: true friends they’re only friends

(0.6)TRE: from

(0.5)TRE: like that eh

(0.2)TRE: a community sense of

(0.3)TRE: you know you’ve

(0.5)TRE: once you’ve lost the that things that’s in common=INT: =yea

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(0.3)TRE: and that that the sort of breaks the eh

(0.3)TRE: tie:: I suppose

(0.2)INT: I was just gonna ask you why why

(0.2)INT: why d’you think then that

(0.3)INT: that

(0.3)INT: what what’s different within those within those friendships so there’s friendships at

wor::k (0.3)

TRE: yea=INT: =and then like you say someone like Tom whose a very close friend

(0.3)INT: who stuck by you when you got ill

(0.5)INT: em::

(0.5)INT: what what what d’you think is different within those those those two sort of

friendships that makes: (.) Tom more long stan[ding if you like]TRE: [yea (.) I think] with eh

(0.3)TRE: Tom is eh

(0.2)TRE: I was like his instructor an I helped him lose weight an=INT: =mmhm=TRE: =you know I

(0.2)TRE: I helped him when he was going through a bad [time so:]INT: [mmhm]

(0.2)TRE: you know and em he’s helped helped me an

(0.3)TRE: whereas other frie:nds and that you know

(0.2)TRE: they’re your friends cause you see them every day and your training and your doing

stuff [but] INT: [ye]a

(0.4)TRE: I think cause I went

(0.4)TRE: outside of them all although I wasn’t there like (.) six seven days a week train::ing

with them an (0.5)

INT: mmhmm=TRE: =you know

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(0.3)TRE: its sort of like

(0.3)TRE: ↓aw I’d left the group kin:d of thing if you understand what=INT: =yea

(0.2)INT: so its almost [like] you’ve got just that one thing in common with [those] people TRE: [mhm] [yea]INT: whereas with somebody that your

(0.6)INT: closer to you’ve got [(.) mo::re things]TRE: [you’ve got all those tie:s]

(0.2)INT: yea

(0.2)TRE: cause I mean

(0.3)TRE: training with people (.) an you know going out for a drink with them ssus stuff

(0.2)TRE: its like a

(0.3)TRE: a social thing more I suppose suppose like the bond was the train::[ing an] working

with INT: [mmhm]TRE: with these people

(0.4)TRE: you know

(0.2)TRE: like when you go outside them all and you know you

(0.4)TRE: you know like when your deployed to another depa::rtment its just like

(0.3)TRE: oh he’s he’s not with us anymo::re an=INT: =yea

(0.8)TRE: cause I went from being a fitness instructor

(0.5)TRE: I was off for a year an that an end of pe

(0.5)TRE: come back and work in eh en mackin in the management office (.) of

(0.7)TRE: the accounts of the sports centre so it was like [it was one] of them as well ehINT: [right okay]

(0.4)TRE: oh he’s not one of us any more he’s he’s with the managers an

(0.3)TRE: type of thing an [you know how] people get its like its like INT: [right]

(0.4)

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TRE: °it’s a o::h° (.) he’s turned on us and that you know (0.2)

TRE: you know he’s friends with the managers and he talks and he has a laugh and joke with them (0.6)

TRE: then I got transferred to education and then it was like (0.6)

TRE: oh he’s a he he’s nothing to do with spo:rt any more an=INT: =right [(.) in like] he’s in the dark side or [someth(h)ing] ha haTRE: [that’s it] [xx hu xx] yea cause I got redeployed to

education so >you end up< making new friends and (0.2)

INT: [yea]TRE: [an then en] then I went back to spo:rt an then like the friends like you made in

education was like (0.3)

TRE: ow you go back to spor(h)t you know you go you go back to another department its just like (0.2)

TRE: eh I’m still the same per::son but eh [yu:: sac sac] its how people INT: [yea]

(0.2)TRE: in their own mi::nds

(0.5)TRE: as if they form their own eh opinions and stuff an

(0.3)INT: [yea]TRE: [no like]

(0.2)TRE: their own bonds yea suppose suppose like you know

(0.2)TRE: your part to you an he’s like he’s not part of our team >he’s on another he’s on a he’s

got< (0.5)

TRE: its just like you being in football like an you play for Everton and you go and play for Liverpool and the fans are like (0.6)

TRE: you know eh ha [ha ha ha ha em:: and] it’s just like hang:: on you know INT: [yes choose between (.) either side]

(0.2)TRE: where where does his loyalty lie:: an

(0.2)TRE: [when yous sent to these] places you have no contro::l over you just INT: [yea:: en]

(0.6)TRE: your your just a sheep aren’t you when you’re the pawn you just go whatever they tell

you to do to try and keep your [job an] INT: [not easy yea]

(0.2)

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TRE: but (.) people are (0.5)

TRE: some people are I suppose you could say people are shallow an (0.6)

TRE: in some senses I and stuff but (0.8)

TRE: never to learn next way ensuring you learn from them (0.7)

TRE: you grow so(0.5)

INT: so di so did you form any lasting friendships from the times when you moved from (0.4)

INT: em:: like you say from the management side to then the education side did you form any [friendships?]

TRE: [eh]=INT: =when you were changing job (.) s::?=TRE: =>I didn’t< the management I worked with an that they still email me now >an I see

around<(0.3)

TRE: I do because eh (.) they didn’t want (1.2)

TRE: to s:: to eh (0.3)

TRE: other called er eh(0.6)

TRE: incapacity (0.2)

TRE: I was incapable of doing my job as a fitness instructor [so]INT: [right]

(0.4)TRE: I got my contract terminated >they didn’t wanna do it< but it was eh

(0.6)TRE: cause it was the council and they were short of

(0.5)TRE: money

(0.4)TRE: mwam

(0.3)TRE: um

(0.6)TRE: my job was eh:

(0.4)TRE: fifteen grand they could sa:ve so [eh it was sort] of INT: [right]

(0.5)TRE: bye-bye

(0.2)INT: yea

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TRE: and I app xx (.) I still get the odd email an how you doing how’s Univer::sity an (0.7)

TRE: [you know] but putINT: [okay]

(0.3)TRE: it was eh I di did form friendships with them while I

(0.2)TRE: but (.) I think cause I was like (.) you know

(0.2)TRE: a few of the managers I was the same age like

(0.8)TRE: their sons and daughters so I thought

(0.3)TRE: like I’m you know cause

(0.3)TRE: I was ill an (.) I did make the effort to

(0.2)INT: mmh[m]TRE: [to] work and stuff I think they sort of respected that so they all stayed in

(0.5)INT: stayed[ in contact]TRE: [in touch but]

(0.2)TRE: ↑but I wou wouldn’t

(0.8)TRE: call them proper friends cause they’re just like you know associates that you know

that you know (0.2)

TRE: [how easy] you know how’s your wife and daughter and you know INT: [yea]

(0.3)TRE: act it’s like (.) oh how are you and Stephanie and in an email an

(0.2)TRE: an you email back and if you saw them an that you’d have a pint with them an you

know=INT: =yea=TRE: =saw them in the street you’d stop them and shake hands an so walk on

(0.2)INT: yea=TRE: =you know its that

(0.3)TRE: you know its just the:re

(0.2)TRE: it’s a friendship but its not a

(1.1)TRE: a best friend type of [(.) friend]ship INT: [yea]

(0.3)INT: yea

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(0.4)INT: and [> its very<] different TRE: [mmhm]

(0.3)TRE: yea its different relationship

(0.2)INT: yea::

(1.3)INT: okay

(0.7)INT: em::

(0.8)INT: and then >can you think about the< friends that you had at school

(0.3)TRE: oh (.) [god eh schoo::l?]INT: [eh ha ha ha ha]

(0.3)INT: [.hhh .hhh ha ha ha ]TRE: [oh we’re talking a long ti::me ago now I would have thought eh ha] ha ha [heh he

ha]INT: [can you tell meINT: anything about the friends that you had a [school]TRE: [eh::]

(0.9)TRE: school? eh

(0.4)TRE: well I

(0.4)TRE: not a: lot

(0.4)TRE: quite a few friends in

(0.4)TRE: school but I went to an all boys school so eh::

(0.3)INT: tsk okay

(0.2)TRE: well (.) I went to a rough all boys schoo::l I went to ((SCHOOL NAME))

comprehensive schoo::l (0.2)

INT: right=TRE: =eh

(1.2)TRE: quite rough

(0.6)TRE: eh yea: so eh:

(1.2)TRE: eh

(0.4)TRE: I had lots of friends but eh

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(0.8)TRE: well they

(0.6)TRE: suppose no one I had really wanted to stay an

(1.0)TRE: so truth cause of the

(0.4)TRE: it was like eh

(0.4)TRE: three classes of people you had there

(0.2)TRE: the people who were really rough and really nau::ghty >you’d have the< (.) really

intelligent ones that the teachers gave the (0.3)

TRE: attention and there’s the quiet ones like me and=INT: =right=TRE: =yea

(0.2)TRE: so eh (.) I just eh

(0.6)TRE: I was I was dyslexic as we↑ll and:: I didn’t know at that times I thought I was thick so

at school I was qui::et an (0.4)

TRE: I just kept myself to myself although I did have friends an (0.7)

TRE: stuff like that but eh (0.4)

TRE: school wasn’t eh one of my favourite (0.9)

TRE: [pla::ces]INT: [so it wasn’t] a great experi[ence]TRE: [no::w]

(0.3)INT: yea

(0.3)TRE: °no::w°=INT: =em:::

(0.7)INT: and

(0.7)INT: did you have the same group of friends throughout school or:: did you change:::=TRE: =eh

(0.7)TRE: eh it’s funny (.) ad a friend’s a junior school and I went to senior school so we’d sort

of all stay friends (0.6)

TRE: all the way through [school] but there’s other friends you know from other schools INT: [mmhm]TRE: and

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(0.4)TRE: other classes and

(0.5)TRE: >and I would<

(0.3)TRE: xx

(0.2)TRE: we’d go up tow::n and you know and stuff an

(0.4)TRE: no go round to each other’s house an

(0.8)TRE: stuff an

(1.0)TRE: I’ve::eh

(0.3)TRE: I put in

(1.2)TRE: I I do don’t suppose we’re friends enough to eh::

(0.3)TRE: you know we all went off and did our own different thing::s we’ve

(0.3)TRE: [like some went ]off to eh a:: levels at Univer::sity have INT: [mmhm]

(0.3)TRE: like I went

(0.4)TRE: I went (.) I went to college cause eh

(0.7)TRE: I didn’t do that well in my g c s ee::s >cause I was<

(0.5)TRE: I was dyslexic an=INT: =mmhm=TRE: =and so you know we just all (.) sort of went our own

(0.6)TRE: separate way after schoo::l

(0.3)INT: yea

(0.5)INT: so did you stay in contact with any of your friends from [school]? TRE: [eh::]

(0.3)TRE: tsk (.)↑talk to a few of them on ↓facebook [and eh:: msn] still an:: (.) what (.) er::INT: [right]

(0.3)TRE: you know (.) we’d catch up an that you know how you doing like eh

(0.4)TRE: when I moved back to Wa::les eh

(0.4)TRE: one one lads eh:: in the police force now an

(0.3)TRE: [>you know< so] we do eh:: INT: [okay]

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(0.2)TRE: eh we do stay in touch eh

(0.3)TRE: but

(0.6)TRE: now eh I wouldn’t say we were friends like eh (.) we used to be we’ve (.)

(0.2)INT: [mmhhmm]TRE: [we were] kids then and you know

(0.3)TRE: as a kid you don’t really know

(0.9)TRE: mhm

(0.2)TRE: much about anything you think you d(h)o but

(0.7)TRE: [but I mean it a:::ll changes when when when you grow up you start wor::king an INT: [xx]

(0.2)INT: yea::: absolutely >its just when you go< in different directions [as w as well] from school TRE: [yea]

(0.4)INT: so are you in (.) are you in close contact cause facebook’s an interesting one in terms of

friendship I [think because] TRE: [yea]

(0.5)INT: em you can kinda be friends with somebody but also eh from like you say have that

(0.4)INT: that [distance] as well so that you can[catch ]up TRE: [eh] [yea]

(0.2)TRE: yea

(0.3)TRE: you catch up when you want to or rather you know you can just like

(0.5)TRE: >yea like<they’ll message you you can actually stand back an

(0.2)INT: yea=TRE: =naw:: I wouldn’t say its like a close friendship its just like

(1.5)TRE: you get them like wo::rk all times eh::

(0.4)TRE: well what what is nice that you know

(0.8)TRE: naw in touch with him we do keeps

(0.3)TRE: se::

(0.3)TRE: eh Trevor and I we’re gonna meet up and have a [dri::nk an ]INT: [ha ha aha]

(0.2)INT: [has it happened] yetTRE: [we live]

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(0.2)TRE: eh we haven’t got around to it yet no (.) ha ha ha

(0.2)INT: its hard when you’ve got different life [styles] going on as well isn’t it= TRE: [yea]TRE: =yea

(0.6)INT: so have you have you done that since then school have you met up with your school friends

since school?(0.3)

TRE: I’ve met a few eh:: around town and stuff (.)[ just bumped into] them and we’ve had a drink INT: [mmhm]TRE: and stuff and that but eh

(0.4)TRE: haven’t all really gone out more

(0.5)TRE: know why:: mmhm ha (.) ha [he ha] ha ha I was gonna say cause eh am umINT: [yea]

(1.3)TRE: no I’m um quite different to eh em a lot of the eh people I went to school with an

(0.3)INT: mmh[m]TRE: [I] try to distance myself from

(1.3)TRE: that world I don’t know whether that’s good or eh

(0.6)TRE: av done xx a few people I suppose you could say but eh

(0.3)TRE: I’d class as

(0.4)TRE: scallies and you know and I had nu nothing to do with that side so I’ve moved

(0.8)INT: moved away [from there] TRE: [moved away] an you [know] I moved to the city centre anINT: [yea]

(0.5)TRE: you know trying to go

(0.5)TRE: my caree::r going I get eh (.) but

(0.3)TRE: >I had a< (.) really good career an

(0.5)TRE: I lost that so I’m trying to rebui::ld

(0.2)INT: yea=TRE: =my career and everything so

(0.8)INT: and you feel that those friendships might not (.) be::

(0.8)INT: particularly sort of productive

(0.3)INT: for you then (.) [with this new change]

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TRE: [eh (.) eh it’s a different life] wasn’t it and eh your [different] when your at school an

INT: [mmhm](0.4)

TRE: and I’ve (.) and I’ve changed a lot more than what they eh (0.5)

TRE: the quiet person who’ll sit there anymore an (0.4)

TRE: °en don’t° (.) don’t get me wrong I’m not eh (.) overally loud or anything (0.3)

INT: [yea]TRE: [yea]

(0.3)TRE: I’ve

(0.2)TRE: I tend to sit there and take things in but if they’ve got something to say I’ll

(0.3)TRE: say it whereas when I was younger I’d just be like

(1.0)TRE: yea whatever

(0.3)INT: yea=TRE: =and that fraid

(0.9)TRE: sometimes I still think that

(0.2)TRE: people would prefer me the way(h) (.) I am am I am now cause eh

(0.7)TRE: now

(0.3)TRE: >cause if say something< I’m like that

(0.3)TRE: I don’t like that I’ll just like yea okay whatever and that’s (h) life an ha ha (.) eh ha see you

later an [ha ha ha] INT: [yea]

(1.0)INT: so d’you think without facebook then d’you think you’d have

(0.50)INT: been in contact with the people that you ↑are in contact with from school?

(1.0)TRE: probably never really bothered no: it’s just eh

(0.3)TRE: found em (.) when I signed up put my eh

(0.3)TRE: now you put your school and [everything in] INT: [mmhm]

(0.5)TRE: most people start a message eh uh like a oh

(0.2)TRE: how are you doing> and I is like eh<

(0.4) TRE: oh god I haven’t talked to you since like eh

(0.4)

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TRE: nineteen ninety fi::ve (.) and you kn(h)ow [what I m(h)ean] INT: [ha ha ha]

(0.3)INT: >eh yea<

(0.2)TRE: en n:: cause that’s like when I left schoo::l I was like

(0.3)TRE: so so its like you know you catch up and then like you know

(0.3)INT: mmhmm=TRE: =like eh

(0.3)TRE: pom send me msn address and if your on-line like and that an

(0.3)TRE: yea we like an that

(0.5)TRE: >and maybe we’ll<

(0.2)TRE: like at first with a catch up and say why haven’t we done that and now its just like a

(0.3)TRE: pop eh or how’s things going and all that one of one of thems now a teacher so I was like

(0.3)TRE: how’s your job going as a teahe::r and you know

(0.5)TRE: the [other one] like I was say::ing is in the police I was like INT: [yea]

(0.3)TRE: you know

(0.7)TRE: how how’s your arrest rate doing and stuff like [th(h)at ha ha]INT: [ha ha ha]

(0.2)INT: so ↑quite kind of [casua:::l]conversations:: [(.) y]ea TRE: [↑yea] [yea]

(0.6)INT: yea

(0.2)INT: and >how how how <how does it feel to catch up with people

(0.2)INT: [over something] like facebook?TRE: [eh:::]

(0.8)INT: eh

(0.2)TRE: its ↑interesting cause you know

(0.2)TRE: I mean

(0.2)TRE: its just those (.) people still ali::ve and stuff isn’t it an [em:::]INT: [yea]

(0.8) TRE: you know its interesting seeing what people have gone on

(0.5)

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TRE: to do: cause eh(0.3)

TRE: you know eh(0.5)

TRE: eh (.) they’ve gone off in completely different directions that have xxx xx(0.7)

TRE: that I thought they [was like eh]INT: [okay]

(0.4)TRE: the lad who en lives in Wa::les and that >he always wanted to be a vet< an en

(0.2)TRE: he turned out to eh

(0.5)TRE: no he’s went

(0.2)TRE: it you know (.) got eh school and A levels and Univer::sity

(0.3)TRE: he went off and he’s a truck dri::ver for like eight years and [then he star started to do] his ehINT: [oh ↑wow↓]

(0.3)TRE: access course and went off to be a teacher

(0.3)INT: aw [oh okay]TRE: [the other] lad he’s meant to be like a

(0.9)TRE: eh you know quite (.) academic and that eh

(0.4)TRE: you know he

(0.4)TRE: he was like he went of and he was a mechanic an

(0.6)TRE: [and an e] like he’s gone to the police now an INT: [okay]

(0.3)TRE: like eh like I’m the (.) academic one and that I’ve come to [xxx ha] an em atINT: [ha ha-ha ha] TRE: eh Univer:::sity (h) [ha em] ha ha hm mm (.) and [all sorts] just asINT: [you’ve got to stack] and [everything] TRE: its like everything an you know everythings right mixed arou::nd swapped arou::nd an

(0.2)INT: ye[a::::]TRE: [so I did have] qualifications through eh

(0.4)TRE: I worked my way up from

(0.4)TRE: you know basic fitness instructor qualification an

(0.3)TRE: I worked loads it’s like the equivalent of

(0.3)TRE: the sport ↑science degree an=INT: =okay=TRE: =em

(0.4)

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TRE: I’ll (.) you know(0.3)

TRE: I was like O::w all all the fitness qualifications in sport psychology (0.5)

TRE: I can’t do that anymore an I was like (.) what am I gonna do I’ve(0.4)

TRE: >lost my job<(0.2)

TRE: I know I’ll go to Univer::sity so(h) I d(h)id the access course (0.5)

INT: [yea]TRE: [and yea so I wanna go back] on to rehabilitation but on the

(0.5)TRE: on the other si::de so [but]INT: [okay]

(0.2)TRE: ↑all your friendships and everything an

(0.3)TRE: how you from what you learn from other people helps you to

(0.7)INT: ↑yea:: ↓h=TRE: =help yourself and eh get a direction in

(0.4)TRE: [in life]INT: [okay]

(0.4)TRE: and do you think that would have been if you:

(0.02)INT: hadn’t had been in contact with your friends from school do you think it >°would have been

done°< it would have made a difference:: to your::=TRE: =no

(0.4)TRE: no:

(0.4)TRE: I wouldn’t ave ah (.) I make any xxx (.) you know eh

(0.3)TRE: all these people eh::

(0.2)TRE: I’ll make a plan ah

(0.5)TRE: and I decide I’m gonna do it and that

(0.4)TRE: [I’ll]INT: [mmhm]

(0.8)TRE: you can do anything if you put your mind to it it might be har::d and you migh you might fail

on the way but you’ve just got to keep eh(0.7)

TRE: keep going and you get there eventually(0.2)

TRE: yea(0.4)

INT: °unless°

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(1.0)TRE: that’s my ha ha that(h)’s what I’ve learned through through life an friendships and everything

(0.2)INT: yea=TRE: =you know you go

(1.1)TRE: but

(0.2)TRE: NO:: it won’t make any difference to me it was ↑nice nice eh

(0.7)TRE: catching up with them when I went on< facebook last year an cause it was like

(0.5)TRE: like lots of people and that you know

(0.2)TRE: oh you gotta go on faceboo::k and you know

(0.3)TRE: its like a

(0.3)TRE: like eh I was on like you find them you know when you (.) meet mature students before you

[come to Uni:: and stuff]INT: [↑oh right okay]

(0.3)TRE: like eh

(0.2)TRE: there’s one person on but I mean you come >on eh on that course that you met on<

(0.2)TRE: you find wi some of your friends before we came to Uni:: which was

(0.4)TRE: but on the first day it wasn’t (.) [it wasn’t lik but ] INT: [aw righ::t okay ]

(0.2)TRE: I’m I’m a all ↑there by myself [with all th(h)ese kids an] INT: [he ha ha ha]

(0.2)TRE: .hhh but eh (.) so I was like oh fo went on facebook and played around on there didn’t know

again I wouldn’t wouldn’t (0.3)

TRE: really(0.2)

TRE: bothered me but meet up all the [same as xx] and I thought[ it’s nice] its just nice know that you know

INT: [yea] [yea](0.30)

INT: mmhmm(0.5)

TRE: that(0.9)

TRE: he was still arou::nd and that you know its nice at least they’ve still got the respect and that (0.2)

INT: yea=TRE: =you know to to wanna

(0.3)TRE: ask about me an

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(0.2)INT: ↑yea[h]TRE: [you] know an its nice to have the interaction and you [know] maybe I supposeINT: [yea::] TRE: it makes you feel a good in a sense that you’ve got interaction with eh

(0.3)TRE: people that you used to know although you know

(1.1)TRE: like

(0.5)TRE: I say friends like when we were in eh

(0.8)TRE: school and we were all like all a little gang of mates and stuff and now its nice to know that

(0.4)TRE: you know

(0.2)TRE: people still willing to talk to you an=INT: =yea

(0.9)INT: [and they’re still arou::nd and doing well and (.) yea absolutely yea]TRE: [now remember you and them (.) xxx (.) yea]

(0.5)INT: so d’you think the friends that you a:: friends with on facebook how long can you imagine

being friends with (0.2)

INT: these old school friends for?=TRE: =eh

(0.3)TRE: well I eh

(0.3)TRE: °don’t know°

(0.50)TRE: see what happens

(0.2)TRE: for as lo(h)ng as I’m using facebook [ha ha]INT: [ha ha ha] but yea

(0.2)TRE: [an eh I thought] facebooks more for eh INT: [yeah]

(0.3)TRE: games and distractions you know when your having a break from your coursewor::k an d you

go for a (0.3)

TRE: xx=INT: =its more [procrastination] than anything ha ha ha TRE: [yeah] (.) you shouldn’t you know I shouldn’t really say that on camera [should I] INT: [ha ha]TRE: [I study really ha::rd ha ha ha en ha ha]INT: [ha ha ha ha ha ha] so this this website that you said you met with mature students and you

developed a [friendship] (.) from the::[re]TRE: [yea] [yeah]=INT: =can you tell me a bit more about that?=TRE: =it was one of those (.) you know when you sign to UCAS and UCAS emails an I was as like

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(0.3)TRE: eh

(0.6)TRE: you find find five people you

(0.2)TRE: you going to (.) Univer::sity and

(0.3)TRE: from on your course and you put like your

(0.8)TRE: like eh

(0.2)TRE: I’m

(0.2)TRE: I’m going ta

(0.3)TRE: I’ve applied for like eh (.) John Moo::res to do applied psychology=INT: =right=TRE: =I

(0.6)TRE: you can go on and see other people that have eh

(0.8)INT: [okay]TRE: [yu ka]

(0.2)TRE: you know

(0.2)TRE: ts: (.) have applied to psychology and just like

(0.4)TRE: so you just start talk::ing to them I was like you know

(0.2)TRE: but how d’ya think I’m like

(0.2)TRE: lucky there some more eh (.) mature students I was like

(0.3)TRE: oh what d’you think its gonna be like and you know an

(0.3)TRE: and its like on the fi on the first day

(0.2)TRE: aw should we meet up befo::re and get it on eh

(0.3)TRE: and eh get a coffee an en like

(0.3)TRE: go in together and so so we we did that

(0.6)TRE: supu I suppose it was eh better than you know eh going in and being by yourself into

(0.1)INT: yea abso[lutely ]TRE: [eh se] like eh coming in to education I was

(0.4)TRE: I suppose its different

(0.3)TRE: aw its different like (.) going straight from school to

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TRE: Uni::ee and you know(0.8)

TRE: like(0.2)

TRE: wor::k and come doing access cou::rse and then coming to(0.4)

TRE: Uni it’s like a (0.2)

INT: [yea] it’s a different route isn’t it[that your] taking TRE: [xx] [yea] (.) and you don’t

(0.2)TRE: you know what’s expected but you don’t know what to

(1.0)TRE: exp[ect so]INT: [yea]

(0.5)TRE: hmmhn

(0.4)TRE: but unluckily eh (.) I’m I’m quite friendly anyway so

(0.3)TRE: its been its been a good experience for me an

(0.2)INT: I was just about to ask you well first of all how did em

(0.2)INT: so did did (.) did did a friendship develop then?

(0.2)TRE: [yea yep yea yea]INT: [out of this initial]

(0.4)TRE: [ it xx xxx]INT: [meeting]

(0.2)TRE: naw it was funny cause eh

(0.5)TRE: like eh

(0.5)TRE: were both em eh in the same eh

(0.4)TRE: oh our surnames are similar

(0.3)TRE: and that so we’ve been like in the same groups an and you know the [same classes]INT: [right]

(0.9)TRE: so its been but like I’ve made other friends and you know (.) ss some people nineteen some

people (0.9)

TRE: are older an (0.3)

INT: okay=TRE: =I’m the oldest and [ah ha ha ah] INT: [ha ha ah]

(0.20)TRE: well you know eh

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(0.4)TRE: an eh there does ss su s an that I find wi yu

(0.4)TRE: just talk to people an show them respect and they’ll respect you[ back and] that an eh that

that’s the key to INT: [mmhmm]

(0.6)TRE: being friends with people you gotta its about give an

(0.4)TRE: take and you gotta listen an

(0.2)INT: yeah

(0.3)TRE: stuff an

(0.8)INT: so >how how how< did you find coming to University as a mature student and making friends

cause that’s quite a unique experience [isn’t it?]TRE: [eh]

(0.5)TRE: I dunno I think I (.) I think I think eh

(0.4)TRE: its not too bad cause I think I’m still eighteen and that in [my mi::nd I still feel eighteen] anINT: [ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ]TRE: [and you] know uh INT: [ha ha]

(0.2)TRE: I’m always up for a laugh and a joke eh

(0.3)TRE: and that’s how its eh

(0.8)TRE: lucky luckily I seem to have

(0.4)TRE: slotted in and I’ve made some eh

(0.50)TRE: some friends and like

(0.2)TRE: we’ve all done work together an we’ve been out for dr (.) drink a few ti::mes and

(0.5)TRE: you know like ee even (.) I’ve been on holiday with we all like talk to each other on msn or

(0.3)TRE: we’ll text each other an you know an

(0.4)TRE: wu (.) sometimes even ta::lk on the pho::ne

(0.5)TRE: [or xx]INT: [okay]

(1.0)TRE: its ↑weird though cause I’m like the

(0.7)TRE: they’re all

(0.3)TRE: xx xxx

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TRE: cause I’m I’m like (0.4)

TRE: the only blo:ke cause I’m yu mean psychology course and (.) [unfortunately] the set out todayINT: [yea]

(0.2)TRE: the majority of the course is eh

(0.6)TRE: gi (.) gi::rls [so like yea] (.) [yea so eh]INT: [fema(h)le yea] (.) [ha ha ]

(0.2)TRE: but luck luckily from ah my background at work I’m with young people old people

(0.6)TRE: everything and that it doe doesn’t (.) bother me so I’ve just been able to (0.0)

(0.90)TRE: fit in wi become one of the gi::rls kind of (.) [ah Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ah ha]INT: [ah okay but do d’you think do you think then

your previous:: your previous job like you say >interacting< with so many different [varieties] of people

TRE: [yea](0.5)

INT: do you think that’s then (0.3)

INT: [helped you to (.) develop your friendship]s TRE: [yea that’s definitely helped me (.) and who I am now] and the way I form friendships cause

(0.4)TRE: when I was eighteen I used to listen in the gym I was [terrifi::ed and] you know INT: [yea::]

(0.3)TRE: like eh

(0.6)TRE: like

(0.3)TRE: the youngest person who came was fourteen and the ↑oldest person was eighty

(0.4)TRE: you work::ed with people who’d had heart attacks and stuff and at first its like

(0.8)TRE: °okay what I’ve ave I’ve°

(0.3)TRE: the

(0.2)TRE: they’re you know

(0.3)TRE: they’re eh (.) sixty five how how do I ta::lk to them you know and I gotta show them respect

an(0.2)

INT: [yea]TRE: [but]

(0.3)TRE: you know just by being

(0.4)TRE: I suppose by being [me an you know] jus just show the respect and that you know INT: [mmhm]

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TRE: you form these friendships and you know you fi::nd you can(0.7)

TRE: like(0.6)

TRE: everyone’s got their own story to tell [so its it’s a]INT: [yeah]

(0.4)TRE: I suppose that’s the psychology side you sit there and you listen to them an

(0.3)TRE: old people have stories about the wa::r and that you know

(0.3)TRE: younger people they’ve got their own stories and [and you know xx]INT: [yeah]

(0.5)TRE: its all rich

(0.4)TRE: xx good good eh

(0.8)TRE: °that’s worth°

(0.4)TRE: it’s been a good

(0.2)TRE: yeah

(0.3)TRE: like a building block to me to

(0.3)TRE: lea::rn how to

(0.7)TRE: talk to talk to people and interact with different people so I mean I

(0.4)TRE: I’m lucky I suppose (.) >I don’t know if its<

(0.2)TRE: you (.) I suppose you could call it a skill that I’ve

(0.2)INT: mmhm=TRE: =developed

(0.3)INT: yeah↑

(0.2)TRE: and one which (.) which is

(0.3)TRE: >probably gonna be important< (.) as I want to be a psychologist so=INT: =yeah

(0.3)INT: [absolutely]TRE: [and I’ve gotta be also eh]

(1.2)TRE: listen and not talk to much an

(0.2)TRE: unfortunately some times I ha ha I d(h)o talk [too much ] ha ha lucky this [is an interview]INT: [ha ha ha] [ha ha ha]TRE: [ha ha ha ha] (.)[ha ha ha ha]INT: [ha ha ha wow ha] (.) now its alright=

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TRE: =don’t worry if its [class I’ll just be sitting there] quietly but xxx [come through] but INT: [ha ha ha ha aha] [ha ha ha ha aha]

(0.2)TRE: humph

(0.5)INT: .hhh (.) so em (.) so in terms of friendships that you you’ve developed at Uni it sounds like

>you’ve developed< quite a wi::de (0.7)

INT: friendship base=TRE: =eh

(0.3)INT: would you say that all your friends are (.) em (.) different age:::s

(0.2)TRE: ehm=INT: =different groups [of people I] mean what kin (.) [okay ]TRE: [yea different backgrounds] and [everything]

(0.2)TRE: you know eh

(0.5)TRE: ss some (.) a couple of them are mature students a couple of them have (.) come straight from

schoo:l (0.5)

INT: ye[ah]TRE: [come from] different places

(0.3)TRE: some are from like eh Birkenhead some are from Liverpool some are from like Wale::s and

(0.8)TRE: lots of different places so I it its good cause you

(0.3)TRE: learn about different areas as well I knew some of the places I haven’t been too

(0.3)TRE: so it’s like ↑what’s it like in and it’s like oh well it would be nice to go there an

(0.2)INT: ok[ay:]TRE: [its just like] ah where would you recommend going would you go the::re and so

(0.3)TRE: >you know< its all that experience like (.) an

(0.7)TRE: like eh

(0.5)TRE: cause I’m from (.) you know like (.) people say

(0.2)TRE: oh where’s the best place to go out so you’ve been out >so I’ve said<

(0.2)TRE: oh go there and there but I wouldn’t go the::re and [like xxx xxx yea (.) yea (.) yea]INT: [right yea so you impart your knowledge]INT: [and wisdom cause you’ve]TRE: [yea (.) yea (.) yea] you definitely wouldn’t fit in in that place that’s a bit rough you don’t

wanna go there [and so its like its] again friendships about sha::ring you [knowledge] and INT: [yea::] [ye↑a↓]TRE: experience

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INT: and and would you say that you::r experience em of making friends at University was different from what you expected?(1.3)

TRE: ↑no(0.6)

TRE: no I would xx eh (1.9)

TRE: naw I just eh (0.6)

TRE: naw I’m friendly like I even like friends:: an an::: not being ego(0.4)

TRE: tistical or anything but I’m I’m just I’m (0.3)

TRE: I mean (0.3)

TRE: my philosophy in life is that I’m just em (0.3)

TRE: I’m ju I’m just (0.2)

TRE: the way I am I mean you know (0.2)

TRE: some people are gonna li::ke me some people are::n’t and you know (0.5)

TRE: >you know what I mean< but I can’t change for them what I here(1.6)

TRE: I am (0.2)

INT: yeah(0.3)

TRE: and that’s served me (0.3)

TRE: you know (0.4)

TRE: I’m you know um I’ve always(0.2)

TRE: been taught from when I was a kid you know (0.3)

TRE: treat people with respect (0.2)

INT: mmhm=TRE: =if you want to be treated with an I found you know that that’s a

(0.5)TRE: I mean by

(0.2)TRE: by doing that a lot people are

(0.9)TRE: you know

(0.5)TRE: willing to respect you back an you know that’s how friendship forms:: an

(0.2)INT: yeah

(0.4)TRE: yeah::

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(1.8)TRE: °mh ha h°=INT: =↑yea↓h: absolutely have you have you developed a uh a kind of close

(0.3)INT: one friend at Uni:: or have eh you

(0.2)INT: is is it just mo::re that you’ve got this [kind of] (.) close [group of friends]TRE: [yeah] [well I suppose] there’s the person

I’ve eh (0.2)

TRE: I met before Uni I suppose like (0.2)

TRE: we’re a bit closer than (0.4)

TRE: everyone else but cause we like tend to eh (0.3)

TRE: talk on eh: msn and we text each other (0.2)

INT: [okay]TRE: [by luck oh]

(0.2)TRE: my girlfriends got to know them as well an [girlfriend he] can talk to them on msn INT: [°right°]

(0.4)TRE: and that’s how we xxx xx its good good=INT: =so this is the person that [you met] just [befo::re] this is the mature student that you [met] TRE: [xxx xx] [yea] [yea]INT: just before

(0.4)INT: yea

(0.2)INT: then he came to Univers[ity so] TRE: [yea]

(0.4)INT: so

(0.2)INT: would you say that experience:: sort of sor:: solidified your relationship in that [sense] TRE: [eh]

(0.2)TRE: ↑yea I suppose so cause we’re both from different backgrounds we’ve both eh done

different things and(0.4)

TRE: you know we’ve eh(1.3)

TRE: worked hard to get here and we’ve go here an (.) you[ know]INT: [mmhm]

(1.2)INT: yea

(0.5TRE: and that’s why eh

(0.5)TRE: because we’re a similar a::ge as well I suppose

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TRE: yea(0.3)

TRE: remember the eigh::ties [and when we were kids trans]formers and INT: [ha ha ha ha]

(0.2)INT: ha ha ha ha

(0.3)TRE: no [button moon and all] that sort of thingINT: [ha ha ha ha ha]

(0.2)INT: does it say so did do does your friendship with that mature student differ from your

friendships with the ↑younger students (.) ss?(0.7)

TRE: eh::(0.7)

TRE: wiv(0.6)

TRE: I ↑don’t know I mean eh:: (0.4)

TRE: pro probably the (0.2)

TRE: they’re closer but on the other hand (0.2)

TRE: you know (0.4)

TRE: than xxx we you know (0.4)

TRE: all the will talk to the young ones about (0.2)

TRE: button moo::n but they haven’t got a clue who [button moo::n is] an INT: [ha ha ha ha]

(0.3)INT: ↑Just talk at them about it [though at favourites xxx ha ha ha haha ha ha ]TRE: [ha yea (.) go on youtu:be a ha ha ha ha ha aha ]

(0.2)INT: yea[h]TRE: [you]tube eh

(0.2)INT: [eh ha ha ha ]TRE: [yea that’s] what I said to them if you don’t understand what I’m saying just go on youtube

and it’ll it’ll be on the::re(0.3)

INT: [yea]TRE: [ah um] (.) relic of the past (.) ah ha [ha ha ]INT: [eh cause] >that that that< that can often that can often be

the divide [can’t it ]at University between mature students and [eh younger] students I know from

TRE: [yea] [yea] INT: my time at University that

(0.5)INT: you know you tend to have the mature students sit at the front and the the younger students

kind of =TRE: =oh no we sit at the back

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(0.2)INT: oh [Right oh okay you go to the ha ha ha ha ha] (.) [ha ha ha ha ] TRE: [he we broke the mould just ask Alasdair ha ha we’re in there] [ eh ha (.) I think that it

makes him worried and that cause like we just sit at the back and he jus he he(0.2)

TRE: like kinda he’s he’s like (0.4) (Student makes face gesture)

TRE: have I done something or (0.6)

TRE: we’re all shy and retiring [I suppose we are] ha ha ha ha ha= INT: [ha ha ha ha]INT: =but that seems like its been quite a different you know from my own experience and em

(0.3)INT: seems like quite a difference like you say from your [experience] from perhaps em::TRE: [yea]

(0.6)INT: you know mature students I used to think we used to think they stayed within their own

[gro:up] andTRE: [yea]INT: they just talk::ed eh you know

(0.3)INT: >and probably<

(0.3)INT: that was em

(0.4)INT: partly our fault as well >in [that sense]< cause we didn’t really interact that much with

matu:re TRE: [yea]

(0.2)INT: students you know when I was at University

(0.6)INT: it sounds like you’ve [had a very different experience] TRE: [yea] (.) [I think it’s different] with me cause eh

(0.3)TRE: yea I know I know withdra::wl: mature students like

(0.3)TRE: they’re mature students they’re young students I was like

(0.6)TRE: the young students where Whe:: eh

(0.30)TRE: we’re young students they’re mature [students an]INT: [mmhm]

(0.9)TRE: but what with mm my background it’s like

(0.5)TRE: everybody’s a per::son [and]INT: [well] yea (.) absolute[ely] TRE: [yea]

(0.2)TRE: you know if someone tal:ks to me I’m gonna talk back an (.) you[ know]INT: [yea]

(0.6)TRE: and I’m av like if you talk and that I mean

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(0.3)TRE: I mean all you have to do (.) is (.) say

(0.5)TRE: hello how are you and that and I’ll be fine and that an you know

(0.2)INT: yea=TRE: =and I use:: you know you’re probably willing to break the ice an

(0.6)TRE: I think a lot of eh

(0.3)TRE: mature students will forbid the odd

(1.1)TRE: oh how are they gonna take me if I goes over and start talk:ing to them [whereas eh]

[yeah::](0.7)

TRE: you know its:: its just natural to me I mean I suppose cause I did all my wor:king (0.6)

TRE: life and know I mean (0.2)

TRE: I don’t feel (0.7)

TRE: any different I mean uch you know (0.6)

TRE: I could walk into a bar full(0.7)

TRE: you know all the men and I could sit dow::n talk to them have a go and see ah(0.6)

TRE: an a young place an I’ll sit down and that you know (0.2)

TRE: I’ll talk to any↑one [an ]INT: [yea]

(0.3)INT: >so I think that< maybe like you say it sounds like its been a really positive having that

experience [through] previous to coming to University TRE: [yea]

(0.5)INT: like sec excepting that people are (.) are [people] have their own life story TRE: [yes]

(0.3)INT: been quite fundamental in developing (.) friendship (.) it [sounds] like TRE: [yep] (.) that’s what some of the

young ones have thought as well (0.3)

TRE: hang on he’s a::(0.4)

TRE: yea (.) he’s no normal and that= INT: =YE(h)A=TRE: =he likes a drink an that you (.) he (.) has a laugh and that you know an

(0.4)TRE: and

(0.2)TRE: and an an you us

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TRE: like like I got go when I was your age an I tell I tell them like and that but (0.2)

TRE: and me and my mates used to go out and xxx xxx (0.6)

TRE: oh god we never (0.2)

TRE: you know [and we never (.) yea ha ha ha]INT: [didn’t expect that ha ha]

(0.4)INT: it sounds like you know its quite fundamental in breaking down barri[ers and ] preconceptions TRE: [yea]INT: as [well that we just have]TRE: [up yea a lot of people have]

(0.4)TRE: [bar]riers I mean like you get people INT: [mm]

(0.4)TRE: like eh

(0.4)TRE: form their own groups like you know

(0.2)TRE: and

(0.4)INT: ye[a]TRE: [an they] they cliques an them you know its like

(0.4)TRE: who

(0.3)TRE: we’re ol::d and

(0.3)TRE: we’re young and (.) [where] does it all mean know what I meanINT: [uh::]

(0.8)TRE: and that (.) to mean

(0.4)TRE: >I wanna get< psychology’s a people business [about ]INT: [mmhm]

(1.4)TRE: people so I mean you know

(0.3)TRE: people are pe:ople

(0.2)TRE: young old babies adults:: you [know] INT: [yea]

(0.2)TRE: you know

(0.7)TRE: °mmhm°

(0.2)INT: >and an at< this friend that you described that you are quite close to this mature student you

met prior to com[ing to] University TRE: [yea]

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INT: ..hh em::(0.7)

INT: what what kind what kind of activities do you (.) d’you do you do with them?=TRE: =eh

(0.7)TRE: eh:

(0.8)TRE: we drink a lot of coffee

(0.2)TRE: miss our lec(h)tures a lo(h)tta coffee ha ha ha ha .hhh [uh yea]INT: [keep yourself] wired

(0.2)INT: [uh ha]TRE: [yea]

(0.2)TRE: xx especially nine o’clock lectures and that [on a Friday mo:rning eh wu::w] INT: [right yeah::::]INT: [understand much more ha ha ha]TRE: [xxxx mach uch eh]

(0.3)TRE: hu(h)h

(0.3)TRE: >eleven o’clock break<

(0.2)TRE: coffee(h) he:

(0.2)INT: yeah

(0.2)INT: [so::]TRE: [and eh]

(0.3)TRE: >and I probably<

(0.9)TRE: gone down the

(0.2)TRE: pub (.) pub and eh you know [somet]::imes INT: [>yea<]

(0.6)TRE: and eh

(0.6)TRE: have eh

(0.4)TRE: have wiv eh (.) like eh

(0.3)TRE: me and my aim is to have a barbeque for people and that so that everyone could cause no ones

really remember party [eh like so (.) around] here INT: [eh uh: okay]

(0.5)TRE: so I’m gonna do something over the summer and so cause

(0.9)TRE: its cause some of them have got like (.) eh children as well and that it it’s [a (.) har::d] trying

eh INT: [°mmhm°]

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(0.7)TRE: you know like

(0.5)TRE: I live over the wa:ter so it’s hard tying to get together to do something so that’s why its like

texting and ema::ils and=INT: =yea=TRE: =you know eh

(0.5)TRE: and stuff

(0.2)TRE: and that we see each other in Uni but because you’ve other commitments an

(0.3)TRE: got

(0.5)INT: yea=TRE: =you know eh

(1.2)TRE: but it its good to being at that stage where you can respect (.) eh each other’s that you’ve got

your own (0.9)

TRE: commitments and you know and its good to [have some]where INT: [mmhm]

(0.3)TRE: I was struggling with this piece of wo::rk an

(0.8)TRE: they’ll help you if

(0.4)TRE: like eh you know

(0.2)TRE: cope if I’m xxx

(0.3)TRE: failure about the exams and like they getting themselves upset or

(0.3)TRE: and call them up and call like’s it the nights phones like

(0.5)TRE: now what’s the worst that can happen if you fai:l you can

(0.8)TRE: resit but you’ve done the wo::rk so I mean just go in an

(0.4)TRE: try not to panic and I said you know when you panic it’s the wo::rst thing cause you

(0.4)TRE: sit there for two hours panicing and

(0.7)INT: [yea::]TRE: [aware of thats::]

(0.3)TRE: put >everything you can think of< on the paper and

(0.6)TRE: fingers crossed and

(0.20)INT: °mmhm°

(1.4)INT: [so ↑ you so have do you feel like you have] a certain role then as a as a more mature

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TRE: [°mmh xxx mmh xxx mmhmm°]INT: [student] in terms of your friendships with others TRE: [oh right]

(0.2)TRE: I ↑wouldn’t say its (.) because I’m a mature student I’m sure it’s a friend as a fri::end its your

job to (0.4)

TRE: look after your other friends [I mean] INT: [°mmhm°]

(0.2)TRE: if someones being do::wn or something and you’ve got a friend and that I mean

(0.3)TRE: its your responsibility as a friend to say look okay

(0.3)TRE: but eh you (.) nee::d to ta:lk and

(0.2)INT: °mmhm°=TRE: =you know if you can offer them advice

(0.4)TRE: offer them ↑advice and=INT: =yea

(0.5)TRE: an its nothing about being younger I’ve always felt you know

(0.5)TRE: if

(0.2)TRE: I see it as your place as a friend

(0.5)TRE: like you know

(0.4)TRE: like eh:: (.) the friends I’ve I’ve made now its like they’ve helped me with wo::rk and

(0.4)TRE: I’ve done worrying and that you know an

(0.3)TRE: aw you’ll be okay >I just felt<

(1.2)TRE: for being friends support each other

(0.3)INT: ye[a]TRE: [and] you build your relationship and you need you need suppo::rt eh

(0.02)INT: yea=TRE: =just to get through things cause

(0.5)TRE: I mean you get to the stage in (.) life where your realise that you know

(0.7)TRE: you do need people aro::und you to help you an [you know] support an INT: [yea]

(0.3)TRE: like you know

(0.6)TRE: like if your worried and that if you just talk about a piece of cou::rsework and just ta::lking

about it

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(0.3)TRE: I’m like ever eh oh they’re worried about their exams well it makes it seem

(0.3)TRE: not so bad your not by yourself then an

(0.2)INT: yea

(0.4)TRE: oh that that’s the important about it (.) xx [sharing xx yea]INT: [so your kinda sharing that issue ]yea

(0.2)INT: [yea]TRE: [li’ y’sha::]

(0.2)TRE: you know eh

(0.2)TRE: if eh like eh

(0.7)TRE: some people (.) like >they’re worrying is like<

(0.3)TRE: I always torn to them I do (.) especially the young ones

(0.4)TRE: all of them (.) peep

(0.4)TRE: do: you can see them think

(0.2)TRE: how eh he’s worried and that eh it it must be natural that cause you know

(0.4)TRE: and go xxx like

(0.3)TRE: older and wiser and you know (.) people think oh you’re a bit wi::ser and you know your not

(0.3)TRE: not gonna be worried about stuff well it’s human nature to worry [an ]INT: [yea]

(0.2)TRE: you know eh

(0.5)TRE: they might as well come to think aw you do

(0.9)TRE: worry about the:: or something so I mean

(0.2)INT: yea

(0.3)TRE: and that

(0.3)TRE: so being friends like people share a:: like suppose it makes

(0.4)TRE: you know you

(1.2)TRE: eh:

(0.2)TRE: gets like you (.) bounce off each other don’t you so to say and that so

(0.3)TRE: ye you end up feeling better and=

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INT: =yea: u absolutely (0.2)

INT: yea cause then you’ve shared that that problem [as well] you’ve found some that a again TRE: [yea] INT: you’ve said about that common gro:und =TRE: =yeo::: ° I know°

(0.2)INT: being very important [as well]TRE: [it’s like when] you can share a problem and some shar:: eh problem

[shared is (.) eh problem halve::d]INT: [problem halve::d yea] absolutely

(0.2)TRE: [I mean not that’s important] that’s why INT: [°absolutely°]

(0.7)TRE: in the main thing fri: friends are::: you know you you sha:re

(0.3)TRE: learn from each other and

(0.3)TRE: that >you make a mistake you< you can share it with them=INT: =yea=TRE: and if they make a mistake you can

(0.7)TRE: ye an (.) its like who ca::res and that’s what life’s about an

(0.3)INT: yea=TRE: =you need to learn off the things you see and the people around you and your friends and

(0.9)TRE: I mean its all important for

(0.4)TRE: making you

(0.7)TRE: who you a::re and helping you learn you know to

(0.2)TRE: be better and

(0.2)INT: yea=TRE: =progress as

(0.3)TRE: you know as (.) as an individual and as a frie::nd

(0.2)INT: yea (.) absolutely

(0.3)INT: [yea]TRE: [and hop]efully like you know

(0.3)TRE: other people around you you know

(1.0)TRE: learn off some of the daft >things I used to do and say an< [you know an] INT: [ha ha ha ha]

(0.3)TRE: mu

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TRE: only going to waa::rd street ah da ah [ha ha ha ha]INT: [ha ha ha ha]

(0.2)INT: that’d be a bad idea [ha ha ha aha]TRE: [ha ha ha ha]

(0.3)TRE: god >where did you get that< jo:ke from?[ ha ha ha ha]INT: [ha ha ha ha]

(0.2) TRE: °humph°

(0.3)INT: .hhh so ↑can you think of em::

(0.3)INT: tsk

(0.3)INT: an example from your own experience that demonstrates what your friends::

(0.8)INT: mean to you::?

(1.6)TRE: eh what my friends mean to me

(0.6)TRE: eh:

(2.0)TRE: ↑I don’t its it (.) its hard to say I suppose friends are

(0.7)TRE: like the add-on to your family really an=INT: =°mmhmm°=TRE: =you know proper friends and that only its like

(0.3)TRE: like your

(0.3)TRE: family someone upsets

(1.7)TRE: member of your family=INT: =mm

(0.2) TRE: your friends and that upsets

(0.7)TRE: you xx something to say an=INT: =yea

(0.9)TRE: and you need to work hands to help your friends

(0.2)INT: mmhmm=TRE: =help them

(1.6)INT: so has a friend ever demonstrated a particular act of kindness that you’ve thought you know

that that’s really what (0.8)

INT: that epitomises to me what (0.3)

INT: what a friend[ship is] and what it means [to ↓you]TRE: [yea] [eh::]

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(0.2)TRE: I suppose ↑ again coming back to my best friend

(0.4)INT: mmhmm

(0.2)TRE: Tom and ah:: we’ve always been friends but I mean

(0.4)TRE: like eh

(1.0)TRE: un (.) couple of weeks ago it was my bi::rthday and we wen out and hi him and his wife were

(0.3)TRE: all paying for everything on their own and like

(0.2)TRE: naw we’ll go we’ll we’ll go half each and he was like

(0.3)TRE: oh no we’re paying it next ti::me and [hu ho:] INT: [xx xx]

(0.4)TRE: wa: eh li like his wi wife was I wear the trousers you shut up [and I’m like] INT: [uh ha eh ech]TRE: and that’s how I mean

(0.4)TRE: no so like next time we go ↓we’ll we’ll pay for it

(0.8)TRE: dinner an but that’s what we do like and they’ll pay one time and we’ll pay another and=INT: =yea=TRE: =you know so

(0.7)TRE: I mea:n I suppose that’s that’s like a true friendship isn’t it you know [(.) it’s a] really good

eh:: INT: [yea:::]

(0.2)INT: that that real give and [take and] an and that trust I guess as well in knowing that you wi::llTRE: [yea]

(0.2)INT: [you(h)’ll] keep your wo(h)rd:: and= TRE: [yea]TRE: =>you know what I mean< we we’re friends trust builds the long the longer you know each

other the more the trust (0.4)

INT: mmhmm=TRE: =builds up and the close the closer you get so that’s why I say you have different stages of

frien:::ds =INT: =yea=TRE: =and that and that’s why its different wi’ To::m like twelve years knowing each [other and

that you know ]INT: [mmmhhmm]

(0.5)TRE: like

(0.3)TRE: like you know (.) I can eh just by hearing his voice on the phone I can go

(0.5)TRE: what’s up?

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(0.5)INT: [yea]TRE: [like you can] y’can y’can y’can

(0.2)TRE: you can just se:: (.) you know it’s like a sixth sense you can just

(1.0)TRE: sense it and I think it’s the same with me:: he’s like you know

(0.3)TRE: and he >oh aren’t you feeling too good< oh yea I’m fine:: it’s like oh don’t (.) don’t give me

crap an like he can sense you know::=INT: =ye[a::]TRE: [cause] cause you know what blokes like I’m fi:::ne like he’ll go I’m fi::ne your ↑ not fi::ne

and ju just you know (0.4)

TRE: tha::n (.) but (.) but we’re close enough to just like you know(1.0)

TRE: open up to each other then (0.2)

TRE: and after we’ve done (0.4)

TRE: the macho thing: (.) ha ha=INT: =yea=TRE: =for fi::ve minu[tes ha ha] ha ha [ha ha ha ha]INT: [yea] (.) so what what what [what do you] think changes then in the

friendship that makes you more that makes you more intuitive like that what what is it d’you think that (.) do you think that changes=

TRE: =eh:: (0.6)

TRE: dunno ↑ I think I think things been learning ech we’ve (.) we’ve got older (0.2)

INT: [mmmhmmm]TRE: [and we’ve settled dow::n and we’ve been through a lot of expe::ri[ences tog]ether INT: [mmhm]

(0.3)INT: yea=TRE: =and that but

(0.3)TRE: I think the thing is we know

(0.7)TRE: each other’s the::re for

(0.9)TRE: one another I mean

(0.7)INT: so (.) so knowing you got [that that] strong [support]TRE: [yea] [yea]

(0.2)INT: makes you feel

(0.2)INT: more [(.) emphathy]TRE: [yea:: like I said before] an that we got stuck somewhere on a Saturday night was in

trouble and we (0.6)

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TRE: like he pick up a phone and say Trev look eh::: can you come and get me and I’ll be like yea no problem or(0.3)

INT: [yea::]TRE: [like eh]

(0.2)TRE: If I got stuck somewhere and like and he he he >said in the past< I’ll jump and come and get

your or::(0.3)

INT: yea=TRE: =you know

(0.7)INT: but what does that mean to you? (.) to have that [friendship]TRE: [its eh]

(0.4)TRE: means a lot to eh being able to

(1.3)TRE: °I dunno° I suppose in a sense it’s like eh

(0.6)TRE: means more than family cause I mean it [it is closer] and that INT: [°mmhm°]

(0.4)TRE: like I ↑haven’t got a brother

(0.3)TRE: or (.) sister but I see him like a (.) brother so I mean=INT: >yea<

(0.4)TRE: .hhh he sees he sees eh like the same and close to his like Mum and Dad as well

(0.3)TRE: like [he’s close to] my Mum and Dad an INT: [°okay:: °]

(0.4)INT: yea=TRE: =that’s so: so its eh

(0.4)TRE: so↑ I say like eh it’s a eh

(0.2)TRE: it’s a really good friendship cause like

(0.4)TRE: I:: can just go round his Mum and Dad’s and you know

(1.0)TRE: and like .hh talk to his Mum and Dad for a few hou::rs and

(0.5)TRE: he’d do the same for my Mum and Dad and

(0.7)TRE: you know an

(0.3)TRE: like when ave the family barbeque like and that eh::

(0.4)TRE: like its like

(0.3)TRE: oh he’s eh (.) make sure Trev’s coming and you know [like the] INT: [yea]

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(0.2)TRE: >if they go out for a drink< it’s like oh

(0.2)TRE: let’s ask Trev and Stephanie to come

(0.5)INT: yea=TRE: =and so its eh re really goo::d an

(0.6)TRE: like wh eh (.) Tom and Tracy can be go round to us like

(0.6)TRE: my Mum and Dad and you know it

(0.9)TRE: and stuff as well so so it work::s really

(0.6)INT: [so you’ve got just as close] to his [family as well eh as you do] to (.) him [cause] of yea TRE: [ourselves] [yea that’s right] [yea] so that’s why

I said its different (0.7)

TRE: next stage stage an that’s more like a (0.6)

TRE: a family frie::nd you [know best friends] and its like INT: [yea]

(0.4)TRE: there’s friends: and

(0.3)TRE: >then there’s like< (.) where you wor:k or whether [you] (.) train with them= INT: [yea]INT: =so there’s kind of[ like a kind] of hierarchy of [ju its it’s] [a like with friendships] TRE: [just] [yea] [or you could say its eh] human nature

if your (0.7)

TRE: animals and its just like the pi pack and there’s different stages in the pack [an]INT: [yea]

(0.5)INT: yea

(0.7)TRE: suppose you could say

(0.5)TRE: that

(0.4)INT: ↑have you ever have you every been let down by a friend::?

(0.2)TRE: eh:: (0.2)TRE: yea (.) I’ve been I’ve been let down but eh (.) >yea that’s human nature< I mean people let

you dow::n I mean (0.2)

INT: °mmhm°(0.2)

TRE: ur:: eh(1.0)

TRE: but(0.8)

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TRE: you know that’s I suppose again >that shows the difference< between a (0.3)

TRE: true friend an (0.3)

INT: °yea°(0.4)

TRE: one who you know is more like a social friend I mean(0.3)

TRE: a true friend (0.8)

TRE: will do everything they can not to let you(0.6)

TRE: down whereas (1.0)

TRE: you do get let dow::n don’t get me wrong but (0.4)

TRE: other people (0.3)

TRE: you know its just like (1.5)

TRE: I’d rather go to (.) and what you meant to go an uh I’d rather go to Bingo than eh(0.2)

TRE: you know (0.6)

TRE: go (.) go wi: (0.2)

TRE: go off for a drink and that but but I’d rather go with eh out wi a family an you know you arrange to do something and (0.4)

TRE: you get let dow::n but I mean its (.) its li:fe isn’t it I mean (0.2)

INT: yea(0.5)

TRE: like you know(0.7)

TRE: is it(0.5)

TRE: is: (.) again its lear::ning isn’t it (0.5)

TRE: and its useful ou:: to dwell on things its like (0.4)

TRE: ↑oh ↓well(0.4)

TRE: um:: go >for a drink< by my↑self(0.3)

INT: [yea::h]TRE: [he ha hi (.) ha ha xxx] and a set of one [ha ha ha ha]INT: [ha ha oh ↓well] (.) [ha ha ha ha ha]TRE: [ha hahaha ha ha]

(0.2)INT: .hhh so em::: (.) so when so when you let (.) when when you’ve been let down ↓before

(0.2)INT: with within a friendship how how’s that made you (.) how’s that made you fee:l?

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(0.4)TRE: eh:

(1.6)TRE: >I’mean<:

(1.0)TRE: ↑suppose as Igot older >you know what I mean its just like<

(0.2)TRE: analysis

(0.2)TRE: oh its one of those things but when your younger and that you do get hu::rt by it

(0.4)TRE: it annoys you and its just like

(1.4)TRE: why the hell they done that and all that what does it all mean

(0.3)TRE: well it’s the stage life where you can handle like

(0.4)TRE: things happen you know people have their commitments and you know

(0.5)TRE: °help°

(1.0)TRE: its like as I said its different stages of friends and stuff and

(0.3)TRE: other things come up and their more important I mean

(0.2)INT: [yea]TRE: [>to me it’s just<]

(0.4)TRE: it it its just li:fe

(0.5)INT: right

(0.6)TRE: I know

(0.6)TRE: ha he ho ha ha ha (.) and that but eh:: he ha I’m quite easy go::ing so I mea::n

(1.2)INT: and like you say [it sounds] like (.) whi: TRE: [xxx xx]

(0.2)TRE: whe when you know the true friendships are deliberately letting you [down]INT: [yea]INT: as well that that makes a difference to actually someone

(0.3)TRE: yea=INT: =em

(0.9)INT: >you know< almost deliberately (.) sort of letting you down wi ↓within a friendship

(0.6)TRE: yea

(0.3)TRE: I mean

(0.4)TRE: ↑whu I’ mean sometimes you do get fobbed off and you know but I mean

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(0.3)TRE: it (.) again it’s part of life and y’I’mean

(0.4)TRE: there’s no point in getting angry over every little thing and that cause you know

(1.6)TRE: what’s the point in it?

(0.3)INT: yeah

(0.2)TRE: >you know what I mean< go off and xxx other friends:: an (.) stuff if someone lets you down

and that (0.3)

TRE: there’s always someone to go for a drink with an em (0.2)

TRE: I’ll finds someone of facebook or something [xxxx ha ha ha ha ha] can you get me on xx xx [ha ha ]

INT: [yea eh he ha he ha] [remember that policeman]=

TRE: =yea[ha ha ha]INT: [ha ha ha]

(0.3)INT: .hhh so in ↑summary em

(0.7)INT: can you s::: (.) can you sum up what friendship means to you?=TRE: =eh

(1.5)TRE: sum up what friendship means its eh

(0.3)TRE: suppose its about

(0.2)TRE: loyalty

(0.4)TRE: eh xxx

(0.2)TRE: loyalty between two people respect

(0.8)TRE: understanding

(0.8)TRE: eh

(1.7)TRE: eh been having war(h)m feelin(h)gs and ca(h)ring for each other

(0.2)INT: yea=TRE: =god that’s got to be in it [as well] INT: [ha ha ha ha]TRE: the hard man image [is ruined] you know (.) eh understanding sha::ring= INT: [ha ha ha ha] INT: =mmh=TRE: =yea

(0.6)TRE: bonding

(0.5)TRE: yea

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(0.5)TRE: °yea°

(0.3)TRE: bit (.) but the male thing you know

(0.3)TRE: the male hugging and all that you kno(h)w and [you kno(h)w ha ha] INT: [ha ha ha ha]TRE: but an you know its just you know about being honest with yourself and=INT: =mm=TRE: =they can be themselves and

(0.3)TRE: don’t put on an act or anything you can be who you are:: and

(0.2)INT: yea=TRE: =they respect you for that and you respect them for that an=INT: =yea=TRE: =you know

(0.4)TRE: °he could°

(0.3)TRE: yea:: you gotta understand with friends as well (.) yea they’re gonna make mistakes they’re

gonna do things you don’t like but (0.4)

TRE: hell I know (0.4)

TRE: I’m gonna do the sa::me an in ma: (0.3)

TRE: that’s about being matu::re enough to (0.6)

TRE: get me down problem to wo::rk through an=INT: =yea

(0.6)TRE: you know that’s that’s what friendship is::

(0.3)INT: yea=TRE: =it’s a

(0.3)TRE: suppose it’s a bond between

(0.8)TRE: two or more ↑people

(2.5)TRE: yea

(0.2)INT: could be=TRE: =yea

(0.8)TRE: and no(h)w uh he

(0.3)TRE: yea (.) I’m that knackered I don’t know what to say [on that one]INT: [ha ha ha ha]

(0.2)INT: .hh well ↑ perfect summary thank you [very muc]hTRE: [oh that’s okay]=

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INT: =↑okay [so]TRE: [xx]

(0.3)INT: stop recor↑ding?=TRE: =okay=INT: =okay

(0.7)TRE: delete delete delete [ha ha ha ]INT: [ha ha ha ha]

(0.4)TRE: ↑worst [interview ever] INT: [oh it’s well eh::] if [you say that it’s] well saidTRE: [ha ha ha ha]

(0.7)INT: okay:

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