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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Natural Guide Stars (NGS) only for Adaptive Optics (AO) on ELT
Ismaning - Feb 28th 2013 by R. Ragazzoni, C. Arcidiacono, M. Bergomi, M. Dima,
J. Farinato, D. Magrin, L. Marafatto, V. Viotto
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Why NGSs for AO on ELT...?• Because are cheaper than LGSs • Because lim mag of Pyramid WFS pushed
the limits of AO... • Because the patrol field of E-ELT is huge • Because the rays from LGSs will arrive
nevertheless from a similarly skewed angle • Because NGSs are less invasive then LGS • Because MCAO can be extended a little
into Global MCAO and making this true...
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Courtesy S. Esposito - Based upon real LBT data
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Courtesy S. Esposito - Based upon real LBT data
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Courtesy S. Esposito - Based upon real LBT data
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Courtesy S. Esposito - Based upon real LBT data
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Courtesy S. Esposito - Based upon real LBT data
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
40% =>16..17
Courtesy S. Esposito - Based upon real LBT data
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Field of View comparison
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Field of View comparison
10..30 arcsec isoplanatic patch
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Field of View comparison
2 arcmin MAD-like MCAO FoV
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Field of View comparison
10 arcmin patrol FoV of E-ELT
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Field of View• SCAO: 10..30 arcsec • MAD-like MCAO 2' • x 16..144 wrt SCAO • E-ELT patrol FoV 10' • x 25 wrt MAD • x 400..3600 wrt SCAO • ....and sky coverages goes linearly with for a
fixed number of stars (1 for SCAO, 2+ for MCAO likes...)
• Still using 3..5 stars makes a gain of ~100..1000
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Field of View• SCAO: 10..30 arcsec • MAD-like MCAO 2' • x 16..144 wrt SCAO • E-ELT patrol FoV 10' • x 25 wrt MAD • x 400..3600 wrt SCAO • ....and sky coverages goes linearly with for a
fixed number of stars (1 for SCAO, 2+ for MCAO likes...)
• Still using 3..5 stars makes a gain of ~100..1000
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
39 m
92 km
1.57 arcmin
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
α
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
39 m
92 km
1.57 arcmin
α
θmax∼ 2α + 1.57 arcmin
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
θ max (arcmin)
α (arcmin) 0.785
SCAO
3.14
3.571.57 5.57 7.57 9.5710
4.21
From M. Le Louarn - ELT AO LGSs simulations
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
θ max (arcmin)
α (arcmin) 0.785
SCAO
3.14
3.571.57 5.57 7.57 9.5710
4.21
From M. Le Louarn - ELT AO LGSs simulations
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
θ max (arcmin)
α (arcmin) 0.785
SCAO
3.14
3.571.57 5.57 7.57 9.5710
4.21
From M. Le Louarn - ELT AO LGSs simulations
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
θ max (arcmin)
α (arcmin) 0.785
SCAO
3.14
3.571.57 5.57 7.57 9.5710
4.21
From M. Le Louarn - ELT AO LGSs simulations
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
θ max (arcmin)
α (arcmin) 0.785
SCAO
3.14
3.571.57 5.57 7.57 9.5710
4.21
From M. Le Louarn - ELT AO LGSs simulations
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
0 km
8 km
Dtel = 8 m N. DMs = 2 N. actuators = 8 Field of View = 2 arcmin
( )∑∫ Φ=H
F
D dffR 2
ϕ
RMAD-8m = 0.0262
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
0 km
8 km
Dtel = 40 m N. DMs = 2 N. actuators = 80 Field of View = 2 arcmin
( )∑∫ Φ=H
F
D dffR 2
ϕ
RMAD-40m = 0.0239
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Dtel = 40 m N. DMs = 3 N. actuators = 80 Field of View = 2 arcmin
0 km
8 km
13 km
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
0 km
8 km
13 km
Dtel = 40 m N. DMs = 3 N. actuators = 80 Field of View = 2 arcmin N.VDMs = 0
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Ground VDM FoV = 5 arcmin VDMs FoV = 10 arcmin
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
0 km
Ground VDM FoV = 5 arcmin VDMs FoV = 10 arcmin
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Ground VDM FoV = 5 arcmin VDMs FoV = 10 arcmin
0 km
8.6 km
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Ground VDM FoV = 5 arcmin VDMs FoV = 10 arcmin
0 km
14.1 km
8.6 km
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Ground VDM FoV = 5 arcmin VDMs FoV = 10 arcmin
0 km
14.1 km
8.6 km7.4 km
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Ground VDM FoV = 5 arcmin VDMs FoV = 10 arcmin
0 km
14.1 km
8.6 km7.4 km
17.6 km
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Ground VDM FoV = 5 arcmin VDMs FoV = 10 arcmin
0 km
14.1 km
8.6 km7.4 km
17.6 km
11.5 km
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Ground VDM FoV = 5 arcmin VDMs FoV = 10 arcmin
0 km
14.1 km
8.6 km7.4 km
17.6 km
11.5 km
4.7 km
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Ground VDM FoV = 5 arcmin VDMs FoV = 10 arcmin
0 km
14.1 km
8.6 km7.4 km
17.6 km
11.5 km
4.7 km
2.8 km
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Ground VDM FoV = 5 arcmin VDMs FoV = 10 arcmin
0 km
14.1 km
8.6 km7.4 km
17.6 km
11.5 km
4.7 km
2.8 km
15.6 km
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Ground VDM FoV = 5 arcmin VDMs FoV = 10 arcmin
0 km
14.1 km
8.6 km7.4 km
17.6 km
11.5 km
4.7 km
2.8 km
15.6 km
9.9 km
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SNR
N. Layers
• The more the considered layers, the more precise the turbulence reconstruction
• The more the reconstructed layers, the more the noise from single measurments
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Technology is at hands...• Locally closed loop WFSs makes Pyramids
working in (almost) closed loop • These devices (we called Very Linear VL-
WFSs) works around non zero • Concpetually is exactly the same problem
as MOAO • NGSs are less invasive in the scientific
focal plane
10arcmin FoV Science focal plane
Stars
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We are evaluating pro and cons of several different optical designs … work in progress
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MCAO on 2 arcmin at an 8m
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MCAO on 10 arcmin at an 8m would not give advantages other then for GLAO...
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MCAO on 10 arcmin (probably with 5+DMs) would works fine...
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GMCAO on 10 arcmin compensating only the central 2 arcmin...!!!
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Conclusions• GMCAO can be used as back-up plan or... • ...as performance mitigator (cyrrus, LGS
failure...) and can coexists with LGSs. • Performance assessment expected by
AO4ELT3 in Florence late May
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Conclusions• GMCAO can be used as back-up plan or... • ...as performance mitigator (cyrrus, LGS
failure...) and can coexists with LGSs. • Performance assessment expected by
AO4ELT3 in Florence late May • We have got a GMT model so...
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INAF – Astronomical Observatory of Padova Roberto Ragazzoni NGS only for AO on ELT
Conclusions• GMCAO can be used as back-up plan or... • ...as performance mitigator (cyrrus, LGS
failure...) and can coexists with LGSs. • Performance assessment expected by
AO4ELT3 in Florence late May • We have got a GMT model so...