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1. Attached are draf c.yies of interviews held bymember:: of C-C Linz withlakor. -, r, Amt nlank_asesentative inAustria, and st HarirRast, forner

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2. On 2age 2 of the 27 March 1553 interview of LoisEder, i t will be noted that ',Aar alleges that Koettl ;iad contactwith a Soviet Colonel name. Stern and cl4nej,that the inter-mediary between Hoettl and . the C.:lene) wagnOiocialey,Lcz, who isidentical with the individual (Dcrodajl:ewycz) reported byGrossbahn source as a mutual Zriend of , :oettl and CC-21..

3.,_AA further lead which d-2 is folicwinF down is thatone RafeerThialla, a reporter in Linz and a casual in.faritof T-, riicated to CIC Linz (S/A kill) that onE"Ton,,el.fnu a former partner of Hoettl in the ILibolungen Verlag :id

nish information on oettl. Tongel alleedly has a residencein Alt Aussce and works from 1 .:cnday until Thursday weekly in theViinna Slauchterlious t Narz (sic). Another lead Du-nisi-led by

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On 27 March 1953, Baron Beinvich con Maat, nice. F ,trr.,,- l'oro 26

December 1897 in Ling/Donau, residing Linz, 1-ethlehtzxtrass.t H. was inter-

viewed by this Agent at the offices of the Ribeluncenverlag, Linz, Sethlehem-

strasse 68, and stated in substance as follows:

• He met SUBJECT in late 1949 or early 1950 throughk.Dr9Ottt`filhott.

Both SUBJECT and Mast are historians and, as such, have common interests which

brought them togethei- for frequent meetings and, discuasions. At that time

Mast, a close friend of Dr. Schott, was advisor at the NibellIngenverlag. In

January 1952, SUBJECT and a former major in the German General Staff. Gerhard

Schacht from Munich, approached Mast and asked him to join the German Intelli-

gence Agency Amt Blank. Mast accepted the offer and severed his relations

with the German intelligence organization o uenera von/ ehlen, with whom he

had allegedly been working since 1947. After that time, Mast's ties to SUBJECT

became closer, not only on an official and business basis, but also personally.

In November 1952, Mast was appointed manager, with rower of attorney,, for the

Nibelungenverlag. Mast referred to his relations with SUBJECT during this

period as a comradeship, whereby he pointed out that he, as the older one, was

frequently consulted by SUBJECT for advice, not only on matters pertaining to

the publishing house, but also on matters pertaining to SUBJECr i s: private busi-

ness. Mast also stated that SUBJECT has always been very reserved and discreet

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SUBMG2 worked for CIC from 1948 to 1949 thronch one Erich Kernmnier, at

Gmanden, Upper Austria, and from early 1951. to October 1952 SUBJZCT worked

for the German Intelligence Service Amt Blank. His chief at that time wasCii:I4rint,;:altattrum

,s.C2.1.onel sins, who was in charge of the Austrian Desk, Amt Blank, and who

was working closely with the chief of the Munich office, Gerhard Schacht, a

former major in the Gerzian General Staff. Liaison officer between this croup

and the main office of Amt Blank at that time wan a(c_Toor .eajor in the German

lOcrGeneral Staff named Oster ;-1(

In, November. 1952, after SUBJ102 lost his job with Amt Blank, HOBTTL took

up contact with the organization von Gehlen and tried to arrange for an incmr-

poration of HCBTTI's intelligence net into the organization of von Oehlen.

Mutt stated that to the beet of his knowledge thesc. geotiations have not been

concluded and that SUBJEM is also presently negot i.ating with an AmerivIr.

agency etgaged in the observation of Last-West Trade. The name ,f this 'ri-

station is unknown to Mast..

Concerning 513JECT's irdelligance contact:. in Itn1;/, P.ast tha;to .

:ICBM took a trip to Born in Hay l9521nerotiete uaticar

officials. Rnwever, SUBJECT never cave the naz.i.: of : sa y ..0;41

Intelligence, only his number, which Past

SUBJBCT had node plane for the establishment of an intelligence net

Vatican, but he allegedly never received permission from Amt E.ittnr:

this net, which was to extend depp into the Balkan countries, .

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HOMTTI. Dr. Willi

27 March 1953

A short time after newspaper publicity bad been given t'se Ponger

'Porter espionage case, Mast received la letter from SUBXMOT in which he asked

Mast for his advice and opinion concerning the Ponger affair, since SUBJRCT

had known Ponger personally and had been in journalistic contact with his.

In this letter S1Th.T2C2 pointed out that he was in possession of correspondence

with Ponger which would always prove his harmless connections with the man,

but as SUBJMO? stated, at this moment of his negotiation. with the von Gehlen

organiustion, it could possibly be eabarrassing to be involved in the Fenger-.

'Ferber affair. Nast explained to SWINT that in his opinion the entire affair

was not to be taken seriously at all and he advised HCMTTL to hold back all the

information concerning the case and not to turn it over to the Americans at

this time. When asked by this Agent why he gave HOBECTI this advice, Mast

exTlained that in his opinion both Fonger and Verber, as former U.S. Army

officers, had probably been assigned by U.S. intelligence to penetrate Soviet

intelligence and thdf the U.S. Government probably felt that the time had now

come to close this 'Play" by officially arresting both men and returning them

to Washington. Mast said that he never knew that HCMTTL had never been in con-

tact with Ponces and that he had never net the man. HORTTI also informed Mast

that be has written a memorandum covering his connections with Ponger and has

turned this memorandnis over to a representative of the organisation of von

Gehlen to be covered in case an investigation should reveal his connections to

-Ponger. Hest allegedly did not agree with this tyym of "back insurance" but .

there was nothing he could do about it. In closing, Haut told this Agent that

Dr. HORTTI has been questioned sereral times during the past few weeks by CIC

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t his documents have been examined, and that SOMJSCTIe

vits,(414 Heettl, has informs& Mast hy telephone from Selzberg tbat

eMeathisg is going fine end net to worry.

In conclusion. the undersigned briefly questioned at *encomia& his

can intelligence activities to the present date and he gave the following

information:

to 1917 - Intelligence Officer, Austrian-anngarian

Prior to 1938 -Oeraandlembhr, Military Intelligence

1947 to Februegy 1992 - German Intelligence, Organisation von Oehlan

Miuitsi and Political Intelligence.

Aitirrier to 50'Oeteber 1952 - Marked under Dr. HCOMPL as deputy for the

AnntriNak Section of the Ant Blank.

Avail * Totems It is this Agent's opinion that Mast is in a position and reedy

to give a lot more informstion than he has given so far. Mast has made an

ettoept during the course of this interview to "uhlterash o SOW= as much as

Feasible in order to corer up his own association with HOITTL and their intelli-

gence activities. Ault has been cooperative, but it hes been impossible for

this Agent to obtain sore information from his without any 133 4 . whatsoever. It

is therefore rstoneended that detailed = I sle furnished this Agent to be able

to cow:3mA a thorough inderrogetien of Hera Matt..

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11011TTL, Dr. 1111/1 27 Nara 1953

Reference TX from Hq 430th 010 Operations, dated 26 Marsh 1953.

On 27 March 1933, the undersigned interviewed nye?, born 17

Yebruary 1919, St. Plorian, near Linz, at his home, Lins, lyeeneteinerstrease

13, in the presence of SA Richard. B. Davis. During the interview Eder stated

in substance the following:

He net SUBJECT in July 1952 through Dr. Otto Schott at the Nib:dungen-

Werlag, Linz, Bethlehematresse 68. Since that time Eder has seen SUBJECT only

ePProximat ely once a month during the period July 1952 to October 1952 and

Eder has had no personal contact with SUBjECT since. He explained the reason

for the sudden break and stated that he found out that HOETTL had been spread-

tog elazifous rumors and lies about him. They had a number of arguments over

personal natters, and HOETTI accused him of being a radical woo-Iasi, adding

a number of personal insults. Since October 1952 he has occasionally Cor-

responded with SWIM and Eder explained that if necesaary he would. be willing

to provide this Agent with copies of the letters.

During conrersationa which Eder had with Dr. Schott. he found out that

5011.12CT had been working for a German intelligence agency , presumably Sat Blank,

SUBJDOT allegedly furnished this agency anti-Soviet intelligence, which he

obtained from various Sub-eouxces, including Edar, who has been working as a

representative and traveling salesman for a candy firm named /Inbar& CompanY.

During the course of his travels to the Soviet zone of Austria, mostly in lower

Austria and the Ntehlviertel area of Upper Austria, Eder collected positive

intelligence information and turned over to HCRITI OB information concerning

Soviet troops in Urfahr, Sohrbach, St. Valentin, and Innadorf. SUBJECT pre-

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Us Sunday, 22 March 1953. Eder had a asetindIvith an acquaintance

whose name he did not wish to divalge. 'During the Genres of thim coorrersa-

. tion, this unnamed Source told him that SUN= had leen in contact with

Pamir. an American rho vas operating a nave Mgnsny and photo laboratory in

Vienna. mem allegedly net Fenger in Nuremberg during the War Crimes

trials, where ?anger worked ea an interrogator and HOETTL vas a witness. This

unnamed Source told Eder that material allegedly vas found in Banger's posses-

sion which originated with SUBJECT. HOEPTI has allegedly given Fenger numeroue

reports of a political nature which he had compiled for the Ant Blank Es gare

copies of these reports to Fenger.

Eder further told this Agent that SUBJECT has been in contact with a

Soviet colonel named Stern, a staff officer of the Historical Section of Soviet

Headqearters is Tisane. The intermediary between HCHOTG and Colonel Stern

allegedly vas ome Borodajevics (phonetic). According to Eder. Colonel Stern is

. MOW allagedly ta the Soviet Boas of Gerrienck

In October 1952. SUBJECT tried to setahlitha oentact'between 0-2 (Salm,:.

hurg) and the Amt Illesk. According to Eder, a representatAse of 'KC filarAVIrC

faingbAT tursed downIOULIECT I s offer, stating 'that Cre7lonn Intelligent.

der;rlas Le sothin4; but a big bluff'. MET% himself told thin to Eder. stating

, that the Ant Bleak had informed SUBTEIN that his **trio*, were no longer needed.

'0Vel sheet durinethie time, Liar had returned tram atlav*-week course at the

Anntituts for Political Education under ofessor Dr Bcieronsm, located at

ikcchst/Odenvald, near rrandcfurt/Nain, Germany. Upon it rilitutn WWW.41410tt

. Mir of haring denounced his to the German Intelligence Service vhdlia :da c

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HOITTL. Dr. Willi 27 March 1933

Actording to Eder, suanscr has also been in contact with the Vatican

Intelligence Service. SUBjECT allegedly received monthly situation reports:

an the world situation from the Vatican and has been in touch with a Catholic

priest, name unknown, whom SUHJECT hen known from his work with the SD during

World War II.

In addition, Eder told this Agent that SUBJECT worked with a M448-oahm -

of Salzburg, residing Altenenster, District Gmundsn, Upper Austria, who has

been writing situation reports for SUB.TECT on the economic and political situ-

ation in Anstria: SUB.TECT allegedly received these reports once es month.

In conclusion, this Agent briefly questioned Eder concerning his cannon-.

tions with any U.S. intelligence agencies and was told that he, Eder. is

'indirectly' working for an unnamed U.S. intelligence agency, explaining further

that all this information is channeled to NATO Headquarters, near Paris, for

&insemination and evaluation.

Agent's Note: It is the opinion of the undersigned that Eder is possibly in

• touch with an operative of the German Intelligence Agency of General von

Gehlen and, that Eder is reporting to this agency an political, primarily neo-

Iasi, activities in Austria. Eder was very cooperative during this interview

and promised to furnish additional information only after he has consulted with

what is believed to be his control agent.

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On 30 March 1953, Lois Eder was interviewed by this Agent in the

pressman of S/A Richard B. Davis at Ideri s home, Lins, isferfeld, Losonstein-

oretraase 13. Eder stated in substance the followint:

Mgr is presently in contact with a reprooestative of tho Ant fner

Terfassunipechuts in Bonn whose nano he did not reveal. According to !der,

this MAA has excellent connections with a U.S. intelligence stoney, name

unknown. Bier has meetings with this man once a month. Rio next sentineling

boon set for an or about 20 April 1953. According to Eder, he um told, by this

man on Sunday, 22 March 1953, that material containing information of a politi-

cal nature was found in connection with a esarch of Poneer's belongings. This

material allegedly originated with Dr. MEM In addition, the unmeant man

asked Eder at his Lnet Lasting to try and obtain additional information con-

cerning Ponger and ECETTL in Vienna and also names of possible contacts between

tha two Men.

According to Stier, MEM not only worked for German, U.S. and Tatioan

intelligence agencies, but also for a Swi p e intelligence agency. Approximately

two years ego, a former German Army officer, named Raimand Stranel, was arrested

by Soviet authorities in Viener/Neustadt. Eder did some checking on his own and

later also talked. to SUBJECT, who told his that Strome worked for the Swise,

and it is Marl s opinion that Strangl has given Bram copies of thia reports,

which Stranel gulmittod to Swiss Intellieence.

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Eder also told this Agent that HCETTL bee been working for some time

for the 3nrete. His contact to /IS allegedly was an Austrian, whose name he

does not know. MEM himself told idhr at one time that he was in contact

with Broach Intelligence.

In conclusion, liter told this Agent that HOETTL never trusted him, even

before he had accused Eder of hewing denounced his to German Intelligence.

Baron von at and Eder have been enemies mince January 1953, When Mast

allegedly tried to denounce Eder to french authorities in connection with his

publinetion witrchtlose Stinson°. Eder stated that both Hamm and Meet were

desperately trying to have the • Stbsekeer banned hy irench authorities. In this

opinion of Eder, MEM did not trust Nest in the ?anger affair and ider

believed that at does not have any detailed knowledge of EICSM's connections

with Fenger.

Agent's totes: In this interview, as well as in the .previons one. Eder has

been most cooperative and hoe volunteered other information which does not

pertain to this case. It is the opinion of this Agent that Eder is fully aware

of this fact that the representative from the °Ant fuer Vareaseungesehuts° in

Boma is a cutout working umdar this cower for ea U.S. intelligence agency in

Germany. Moring the interview, Eder stated repeatedly that he dose not desire

to work directly with U.S. Intelligence, but at the ease tius ha offered his

service* to this Agent.

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