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I'IOUSE OJ? JIEPRESENTATIVES

SEVENTY-SEVENTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY

ONE HUNDRED THIRTY-SECOND LEGISLATIVE DAY

MAY ll, 1972

9:30 o'cL' ocK A .M .

THE HONORABLE W. ROBERT BLAIR,

SPEAKER IN THE CHAIR

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A roll call for attendance was taken and indicated that

aAl were present' with th'e excep:ion ef the following:

Representative Horace Gardner - death;

Representative Henry Klcsak - 'illneBs;

Representative Michael H. McDermott illness;

Representative Edward J. Shaw - death.

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Doorkeeper: '.Ncw, al1 who are not entitled to the Ilouse cham-

ber, will you please retire to the gallery. Th'ank you.'' .

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The House will be in order. The in-

vocation this morning will be by Dr. Johnson.''

Dr. John Johnson: ''We pray. Almighty God, our merciful

father. we thank you first of all this morning for the

protectïon of the past night and the health and the vigor

with which we now undertake the important tasks before us

in this session. We acknowledge your guidanee and your

providence over this legislative body in the past. And so

we ask your continuing provisions and protection cf promise

this day and throughout the future. Restrain, O Lord, with

your overruling providence those of confused minds; pèr-

verted hearts and of evil hands who endanger lives énd in-

stitutions which are devoted to puslic governmentk At'the

same time fill us with the renewed sense of duty anc obli-

gation to legislate and to serve on behalf of those whom

we represent and also as those who must ultimately gives

accounts before you, the judge and the Lord of a'll men and

of al1 nations. Be pleased now to dwell with us in our

midst and uphold and keep us by the strong arm of y6ur

majesty and strength. O God save and kee/ this House as we

pray now in the name of our redeemer and Lord. Amen.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Roll call for attendance. The gentle-

man from Cook, Mr. Madigan.''

Miehae l J . Madiga n : ''Mr . speaker , wou 1d the record show tha t

Representative McDermott is excused because of illness.''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The Journal will so indicatp. House

Bills second reading. 2545...

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 2545. A bill for an act to

amend Section 58 of'an act concerning public utilities.

Second reading cf the bill. No committee amendments.'l

HOn. W. Robert Blair: HAny amendments from the floor? Third

reading. 3796...

Fredrlc B. selcke: ''House Bill 3796. A bill for an act to

çegulate and control or prevent off shore dredging, con-

structicn, dumping, drilling and salvage operations in the

waters of Lake Michigan falling. in the part of the State

of Illinois. Second reading of the bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Take it out of the record. Do you

want to take it out of the record? Take it out of the

record. 4181..'


amend 'The Schocl Ccde'. Second m ading of the bill. No

committee amendments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor? The

gentleman from Peoria, Mr. Day.''

Robert G. Day: ''Mr. Speaker.

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Ah one committee amendment. Amend House

Bill 4181 on page 1, by deleting lines 11 and 12 and in-

serting in lieu thereof the folloking: 'paper ballots,

except that such information may be in vertical or horizoqz

ta l rows , or in a number o f ' ; and so f orth . ''

Robe rt G . Day : ''Mr . Speaker , Ladi es :' nd Gentlelnen o f tlAe

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Housey this amendment simply makes the ballot for'zat which

is provided for by this Yill optional with each.county

clerk. That's all the amendment does. I move the adop- '

tion of Committee Amendment Numbet Oner''

Hcn. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? Al1 those in favor of

the adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas', the opposed 'No'#

the 'Yeas' have it and the amendment is adopted. Are there

further amendments? Third reading. 4264..'

Fredric B. Seleke: ''House Bill 4264. A bill for an act to

amend 'The School Code'. Second reading of the bill. One

Committee Amendment. Amend House Bill 4264 on page l by

deleting line l and inserting in lieu thereof th e following

'an act to add Section 18-8.2. and so forth.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Lee, Mr. Shapiro.''

David C. Shapiro: ''Take it out of the reeord.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Take it out of the record. 3271. No4

take it out of the record. 4079...

Predric B.'Selcke: ''Hcuse Bill 4079. A bill for an act to

amend 'The school Code'. Secon'd r ading of the bill. No

colmnittee amendments.''

Hén. W. Robert Blair: HAny amendments from the floor? Third

reading. 4348.''

Predric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4348. A bill for an act to

amend Section 1 of an act in relaiion to county zoning.

Second 'reading of the bill. One Committee AmencW ent.

M end llouse Bi 11 4348 cn page 3 . by adding a f ter line 14

the following: 'This amsndatory Act of 1972 dgzâ. ngL.

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applv to any county which is a home rule unit'.'..

Hon. W. Robert Blairz '$Thè gentleman from Cook, Mr. Moore.''

Don A. Mocre: ''Mr. Speaker. I move the adoption of Colmuittee

Amendment Number One to House Bill 4348.''

Hon. W. RobertBlair: ''Is there discussion? All those

favor of the adoption of thé amendment say 'Yea/', the

opposed 'No' the 'Yeas' have it and the.amendment is#

adopted. Are there further amendments? Third readingr

4 345 . ''


establish a comprehensive program for the treatment and

rehabilitation of alcoholics and eliminating the crime of

public intoxication. Second readin: of the bill. No com-

mittee amendments.''

Hcn. W. Robert Blair:' ''Any amendments from the floor? Third

reading. 4375 through 4382..'

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4375. Second reading of the

bill. No committee amendments. House Bill 4376. Second

reading of the bill. No committee amendments. .House Bill

4377. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments

' House Bill 4378. Second reading of the bill. No committee

amendments. House Bill 4379. Second reading of the bill.

No committee amendments. House Bill 4380. Second reading

of the bill. No committee amendments. House Bill 4381.

second 'reading of the bill. No clommittee amendments. Hous

Bill 4382. second reeding of the bill. No committee amend

ments . ''

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HOn. W. Robert Blair: HAny amendments from the floor? Third

reading. 4388.'.

Fredric B. selcke: ''House Bill 4388. A bill for an act to

amend section 9.9 of an aet to provide for licensing and'

i bile home parka. Secondregulation of mobile homes n mo

reading of the bill. One Committee Amendment. Amend House

Bill 4388 on page by striking Aine 13 and inserting in

lieu thereof the following: 'and regulations adopted by

the ' 't

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijev-

ich.''

John S. Matijevich: ''Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, this

is eommittee apendment which was requested by.the Depart-

ment of Public Health, it places the rules and regulations

regarding fire fighting equipment under the fire marshals

added the Department of Public'Hea1th. move the adop-

tion of Committee Amendment Number One.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''All those in favor of the adcpticn of

the amendment say 'Yeas' the cpposed 'No' the 'yeas' have# #

it and the amendment adopted. Further amendments? Thir

reading.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amçndment Number Two, Matijevich. Amends

Ilouse Bill 4388 on page 1. line 11 by deleting 'fire prqm

vents on and . ''

Hon . Robert Blai r : '' The gentleman f rom Lake , Mati jev-

5. ch . ''

John S . Mati jevicl: : ''AIR . Mr . speaker and Members of the

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House, this, too, is at the suggestion of the Department

of Public Health, but I'hadn't had time to preppre it in

committee. It deletes fire prevention so that the fire

mars'hals' rules and regulations shall be as the fire fight-

ing equipment but not fire prevention. I move the adoption

of Amendment Number rvo to kouse Bill 4388.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: HDiscussion? All these in favcr of

the adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas'/ the oppcsed 'No%the 'Yeas' have it and the amendment is adopted. Are there

further amendments? Third reading. 4389.''

Fredric B. Selcken ''House Bill 4389. A bill for an act to

add Section 3-2 and amend the title CE an act providing the

use cf credit cards. second reading of the bill. No com-


Hon. W. Robert Blair:' ''Any amendments from the floor?''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment Number One, Dyer. Amend House

Bill 4389 cn page 1, by deleting al1 of lines 9 through 12

and inserting in lieu thereof the following: 'Section 3.

In every case where an applican't for credit from a credit

,card issuer is rejected such applicant shall, upon request '

be informed of the reasons of his or her rejecticn'.''Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The lady from Dupage, Mrs. Dyer.''

Mrs. Robert C. 'Giddy' Dyer: ''Ah, Mr. Speaker, this exact-

ly the language that was requested by the members of the

committèe. We are fullfilling our agreemente this amend

ment and I would move for its ppssage.''

Hon . W . Robe r e. Blair : '' Dis cus s icn ? Al l thcs e in f a vor o f the

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' a dopt ion o f the amendment s a y ' Ye p s ' , the oppo s ed ' No ' , the

' '' it and the amendment is adopted. Are there any !Yeas have

further amendments? Third reading. 4391.'.

Fredric B. selcke: ''House Bill 4391. A bill for an act tc

add sections 1834 and to amend the title of an act regard-

ing the use of credit cards. second reading of the' bill.

No committee amendments.'' '

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor? Third

reading. 4395.''


amend an act in relation to the alcoholic liquor. Second

reading of the bill. No committee amendments.n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nAny amendments from the floor? Third

reading. 4397...

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4397. . A bill for aq act Xo'' amend Section 1 of an act to provide for the distributio'n

of township fundse which the township collectors and annual

setting- for a township meeting determines. Second reading

. of the bill. No corcittee amendments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair : HAny amendments from the floor? Third

. reading. Oh, amendment.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment Number Onee Kptz. Amends House I

Bill 4397 by deleting lines 16 and 17 and inserting in lieu

f llowing: 'section 1. V lenever the board ofthereo the fo

auditors of a township in a coqqpy containing a'; and in

line 19 by deleting the word 'dete rmine' and inserting in

lieu thereof ' dekermi'nes ' ; alAd by dez.eting lines 2 2 throlzglà

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Current fiscal year: the board of auditors direct that al1

or any portion ofl.n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Katz.''

Harold A. Katz: ''Ah this is an amendment suggested by the

Copnlittee on Townships and Counties in which they propose

simply that the Board cf Auditors rather than the special

town meeting be the source of authority fcr making expen-

ditures in question. Ah, this is in accordance. as I under

stand this, with the program of transporting the salary t o

the Board of Auditors to the ones that are responsible for

the expenditure. I would move the adoption of the amend-

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: nIs there any discussion? All those

in favor of the adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas' the

opposed 'No' the 'Yeas' have it and the amendment is adop-#

' ted. Are there any further amenelents? Third reading.

4418.'''*


amend 'The school Code'. Second reading of the bill. Nokcommittee amendments.'.


reading. 4419..'

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4419. A bill fcr an act to

amend 'The Insurance Code'. Second reading of the bill.

Nc coMnittee omendments.''

Hon . W . Robert B1a ir : ''Any amendments f rom the f loor? Tlzird--------------------------------------

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reading. 4426.'.


amend 'The Lgca'l Library Act'. Second reading of the bill.

No committee amendments.''


reading. 4429..'


amend Sectio'n 4 of 'The Timber Buyers Act'. Second reading

of the bill. No committee amendments.''


reading. 4430..''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4430. A bill for en act to

regard to the unauthorized removal of transportation of

trees and forest productk. Second reading of the bill.

No committee amendments-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amezdments from the floor? Third' reading. 4446.''

Fredric B.''selcke: ''House Bill 4446. A bill for an act to

amend 'The civil Administrative Code'. Second reading of

the bill. No committee amendments.''

Ron. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor? Third

reading. 4465.'.

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4465. 'A bill for an act to

amend 'The School Code'. Second reading of the bill. No

committee amendments.n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor? oh no

take it out of the record. Take it ou* of the record.

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4508 . ''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4508. bill for an act to

amend an act re'lating to 'The Illinois State Fair.' Seeond

reading of the bill. No committee amendments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Take it out of the record? Oh, all

right, take it out of the record. 4539.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4539. bill fcr an act to

in relation 'to the loss resulting from autcmobile accidents

insurance recovery from such loss. second reading of the

bill. No committee amendments-''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor? Third

reading. 4510.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Hcuse Bill 4510. A bill for an act to

amend 'The Court of Claims Act'. Second reading of the

bill. No committee amendments.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor? Third

reading. 4547.''

Fredric B.-'selcke: ''House Bill 4547.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Take it out of the record. 4549.:'


amend 'The school Code'. second reading of the bill. One

committee amendment. Amend House' Bill 4549 on by adding

the words 'not exceeding' before thë number '30' on line

9 ; and by striking lines 11 through 16.'.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The qentleman frqm 'cook, Mr. Berman.''

A/thur L. Berman: ''A1u Mr. Speaker, Amendment Number One

a Commi ttee Amendment which broadens the power of the Super

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intendent after a hearing to deten line whether there should

be a firing or merely suspension. mcve the adoption of

Committee Amendment Number One to 4549.'.

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''Is there discussion? All those in

'favor of the adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas', the op-

posed 'No' the 'Yeas' have it and the amendment is adop-

ted. Are there further amendments? Third reading. 4551.''

fredric B. selcke: .'No.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Take it out of the record. 4563.''

Fredric B. selcke: ''Hcuse Bill 4563. A bill for an act to

amend Secticn 1 of an act in relation to the compensation

of sheriffs, coroners, county treasurers, county clerks andLso forth. Second reading of the blll. No ccmmittee amend-

ments.''


reading. Any discussion? Third veading. 4573..'

. Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4573. bill fcr an adt tc

amend 'The'civil Administrative Code'. Second reading of

the bill. 0ne Committee Amendment. Amend House Bill 4573

on page l by striking lines 23, 24 and 25 and inserting in

lieu thereof the following: 'which may be applicable.

The Department shall report its findings and recommenda-

ticns to the General Assembly by February 15th of each odd

numbercd year.'''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman frqm'ccok, Mr. J. J.

Wolf . ''

Jacob John Wolf : ''Mr . Speaker and Members of the House : this

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is a Col%ittee Amendment Number one and al1 it does is re-

state that the Departmehts report its findings .and recom-

endations to the Genera 1 Assembly by February 15 of eachm

odd numbered year and I move its 'adopticn . ''

Hon . W . Robert Blair : ''Discussion? All those in f avor of

the adoption of the amendmeht say 'Yeas', the opposed 'No',


further amendments? Third reading. 4361..,

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Housë Bill 4361. A bill for an act to

amend sections 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 10 of the 'County Pro-

perty Extension Law'. Second reading of the bill. No

committee amendment.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floora''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment Number One, Hunsicker. .Amends

House Bill 436 l on page 5,' line l . .by inserting i.mmediately

after the word 'fund' the words 'or from an existing exten-

sion education tax'-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Livingston, Mr.

Hunsicker.''

Carl T. Hunsicker: ''I move that Amendment Number One be adop-

ted, Mr. speaker.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A11 right, discussion? All those in

favor of the adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas' the op-#

posed ' No ' , the ' Yeas ' have and the amendment is adop-

ted . A're there f urther amendments ? ''

Fredric B . Selcke : ''Amendment Number 'l'wo . Brinknteier . M ends

House Bill 4361 on page 3, line 29 by strikinq 'or qkher. os-:j=774% vs'$ c) q .-. -- : ' G E N E It A L A S S E 51 B L Yt ) ;?), è $11 :t- t; ; svavri os Iui-lso'st 6 u. .# .

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Hon.'W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Ogle, Mr. Brink-

meier . ''

b t E Brinkmeier: ''Mr. Speaker, Membdrs of the House,Rc er .

Amendment Number Two to House Bill 4361 provides that only

agricultural premium funds can be used for the property of

extension servicese nor dpes it prohibit 'the diversion of

funds from such sources as motor fuel tax fund and I urge

the adoption of Amendment Number Two to 4361.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? A1l those in favor of

the adopticn ofqthe amendment say 'Yeas' the opposed 'No'

. the 'Yeas' hùve it and the amendment is adopted. Are there

further amendments?''

Fredric B. selcke: ''Amendpent Number Three, Brinkmeier.

Amends House Bill 4361 on'page 6, b'y striking all' of l/ne

1 and inserting in lieu thereof the following: 'shalk I

annually fom'zard to the Governor, the Speaker of the House

of Representatives, the Minority Leader of the House of

Representatives, the presiding officer of tbe Senate, and

the Minority Leader of the Senate, a report of thed.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentlempn frcm Ogle, Mr. Brink-

meier '' '

Robert E. Brinkmeier: ''Mr. Speaker, Melnbers of the House, ahI

as stated previously this would provide that the leadership: i

on b0th sides in b0th Houses would plso receive reports !

which are now provided for the Govçrnor. I would move for' j

the adoption cf this amendment . ''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? All those in favor of

the adoption Cf the amendment say 'Yeas' the opposed 'NO'ê '.


further amendments? Third reading.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment Number Fcur, Hunsicker. Amends

House Bill 4361 on page 4, by striking line 35 and insert-

ing in lieu thereof the fpllowing: 'appfopriate and pa-z

three-fourths of the total so determined from the'; and

cn page by striking line 33 and inserting in lieu there-

of the following: 'equal to one-fourth of the total funds

needed as provided'.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentlempn from Cook, Mr. Hunsicker ''

Carl T. Hunsicker: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, this amendmept is in line with wcrk from 'the

Governor's office that he would sfgn the bill wikh this

amount in, but not with the original $750,000.00 and I move

for that the amendment be adopted.''

Hon. w. Robert Blair: ''Is there further discussion? All

those in favor ot the adoption of the amendment'say 'Yeas',

the opposed 'No% the gentleman from Ogle, Mr. Brinkmeier.''

Rcbert E. Brinkmeier: ''Wil1 the sponsor yield to a question?n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates he will.'''

Robert E. Brinkmeier: ''Carl, I'm wondering if my understand-

ing at the present time 43% these funds come from the

federal govermnent. Ncw, they're .rbeducing by the amount

of your amendDent, so does that mema that wetre going to

loose that amount of federal funds?''

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Ca rl T . Hunsicker : .'We l1. that isn ' t 1ny understanding o f the

amendment, of course, is' in line with what the .Governor

indicated he would sign and this would go through the en-

tire waiting and he wouldn't sigh the bill at all. That

was the understanding that I had that some of the members

that had been in contact with the office. I don't think

welll loose any federal funds. See, the.bill originally

increased what the state in turn had been getting from the

state of Illinois.''

Robert E. Brinkmeier: .'okay.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there any further discussion? The

allthose in favor of the adoption of the amendment say

'Yeas' the opposed 'No' the 'Yeas' have it and the amend-' #

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ment is adopted. Are there further amendments? Third

reading. 4575..'


amend 'The School Code'. Seccnd reading of the bill. One

committee amendment. Amend House Bill 4575 on page 2, by

striking a11 of lines 5 thrcugh l7; and inserting in lieu

thereof the following: 'the following: (a) any employee

who has attained the age of 75 years on or before December

31 1973 shall be retired no later than December 3l, 1973)

and so forth.n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Mepartlin fî

Rcbert F. 'Mcpartlin: ''Ah, Mr. Speaker and Members of the

House, the amendment extends compulsory retirement under

the refuse pay scale until December 31, 1981 from 1978.

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move for the adoption cf the amendment.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? A11 thosc in favor ef the

adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas' the opposed 'No%


further amendments? Third reading. 4592..'


amend 'The schopl Code'. seéond reading of the bill. One

committee amendment. Amend Hcuse Bill 4592 on page 1,

line 21 by inserting immediately after the period the fol-

lowing, 'Once a person qualifies as a dependeht under the

terms and provisions cf this paragraph there shall be no

situation such as the return of the father or the reported

death of the father that will remove the dependent from

provisions or benefits of this paraqraph.'''

Hcn. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Lawrence, Mr. Cun-

ningham.''

Roscoe D. Cunningham: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House,

I move adoption of Committee Amendment Number One.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? those in favor of the

adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas' the opposed 'No' the' . #

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'Yeas' have it and the amendment is adopted. Are there

further amendmentsa''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment Number Two, R. Cunningham.

Amend House Bill 4592 on page 1, line by deleting 'whom

and inserting in lieu thereof: 'prior to or durin: the

time'; and on page 1, by deletinlf line 12 and inserting in

lieu thereof: 'declared the husband or fathery after Jan-

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uarv 1, 1960, to be either a prisoner ofiand on page

line l5, by deleting 'not for profit' and inserting in

lieu thereof; 'state supported'; and on page lines 16

and by doletinc lfrom funds a ro riated to the Illinoi

SYXYO Schoiarship Commission' and insertinc in lieu therolf

'. ' after the word 'study'; and on page line 18 by'

inserting after 'by' the following: .'and paid out of

funds available to' .n#

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentlemgn from Lawrence, Mr.Cunningham.''


I move adoption of Amendment Number Tw0.''


the adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas' the opposed 'No'# #

the 'Yeas' have it and the amendment is adopted. Are

there further amendments? Third reading. 4593.1.


amend 'The Election Code'. Second reading of the bill.

Nc committee amendments.n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments frop the floor?'.

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment Number One, Phil Collins.

mnends House Bill 4593 on page line 27 by inserting the

words 'except during the 28 days immediately preceding any

election and' and so forth.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Collins.''

Philip W . Collins : ''A1à, Mr . Speaker, Ladies aïld Gentn lemen of

the House, House Bill 4593 deals with the public instruc-

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tion of precinct finders. It was pointed out in committee

that there are times when this would not be possible due

to election being imminent so this would add the language

except during the 28 days immediately preceding eny elec-

tion, so it would not interfere wikh the election machines

and I wculd move for the adoption of Amendment Number One.''


the adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas', the opposed 'No%


further amendments? Third reading. 4603.1'


amend 'The School Code'. Seccnd reading of the bill. No


Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments .from the floor? Third

reading- House Bills third reading. We'11 go down to

third reading for a while now, we'll be coming back to

second. But we're going to go to third for a little bit.

4218.'.

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4218. bill for an act to

add Section 51.1 through 51.4 to the 'Rqvenue Act of 1939..

Third reading of the bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: HThe gentleman from Wayne, Mr. Blades.''

Ben C. Blades: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House

House Bill 4218 is a bill designed to give personal propert ,

tax relief to al1 individuals and corporations by qranting

$7,500.00 standard deduction. Basically what 4218 does

in establishing a standard deduction for a11 is to also

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provide that the state of Illinois out of the general

revenue fund rebate to those local taxing bodies the amount

of revenue lost' by the standard deduction. Chronologically

the way it provided in the bill it beccmes a law is

by the terms cf the bill the standard deduction is taken

from the 1972 assessment on personal property taxese which

are due in 1973. Then the treasurer of each county deter-

mines exactlk how much at the law and personal property1

taxes was collected in 1970. These bills are based on the

1969 assessment and where last year the taxes were collect-

ed on a11 goods without the benefit of the car and furnitur

exemptions. The treasurer then computes the bills again

using the $7,500.00 standard deduction and must.have this

figure to the Department of Local Affairs on or before

December the 3lste 1972. Then the Department ef Local Af-

fairs takes an audit of the dounty treasurer's books on

the 1970 collections and computes a percentage for each

taxing ''disfrict. The General Assembly appropriates funds

for fiscal 1974 to pay back taxing districts for the amount

lost by the standard deduction. This figure is a fixed one

and must be reapportioned each year, every year to the

taxing districts. Ah, 'that is the order and what is pro-

vided the bill, Ladies and Gentle'men, and I solicit your

support.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The vgentleman from Christian, Mr.

Tipsword.''

Rolland F. Tipsword: ''Would Representative Blades yield for

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a question, please?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He'indicates he wil1.''

Rolland F. Tipsword: nRepresentative Blades, I believe you

indicated that this bill would al'so previde or there is

provision for the refuhd for this money to the local gov-

ernments from the state, is that correct?''

Ben C. Blades: ''That's that is correct. These taxing bcdies

that lcse revenue, it will be made by the State to that

local taxing body-''

Rolland F. Tipsword: ''Now, that will be made back on the

basis of the 1969, is that on assessments, or for what?''

Ben C. Blades: nIt is based on collections, Representative

Tipsword.'.

Rolland F. Tipsword: ''Any it will not, you can assure .me that

this will not be based upon assessments, but on collections ''

Ben C. Blades: ''That is correct.''

Rolland F. Tipsword: HAnd consequently will there be any

shift of this tax burden to the real estate taxa''

Ben C. Blades: ''There will not.''

Rolland F. Tipsword: ''Thdnk you.'.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentlema'n frcm Cook, Mr. Matagos.''

Samuel C. Maragos: ''Wi11 the sponsor yield to a questiona''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: '1He indicates he wi1l.''

samuel Maragos: ''Representative B'lades, the question that

I have Pegarding this the ah is the present budget of

tlàe Governor . . ''

Ben C. Blades: ''I can't understand him, Mr. Speaker.''

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Samuel C. Maragos: ''Is the budget presently presented by the

Governor cover the revenua that will have to be given to

thes e taxing bo'dies ? ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Mr. Blades.''

Ben C. Blades: ''No, this budget will be appropriated in fis-

cal 1973, Represantative Maragos. This is applicable to be

dedueted from the 1972 assessment, which will be payable

in 1973.'.

Samuel C. Maragos: nBut I mean you are making .

Ben Blades: nThe fiscal 1974..'

Samuel C. Maragos: .'tFiscal 1974 that's what I wanted to

know.''

Ben C. Blades: ''Al1 right, thank mu.''

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''Is Ehere any discussion? The gentle-

man care to close?'.

Ben C. Blades: ''I ask for your Yavorable support.''

Hon. W . Robert Blair: 1'Al1 right, the question is shall House

Bill 4218 p'ass? A1l those in favor will vote 'Yeas. and

the opposed 'No'. Have a11 voted who wished? The Clerk

will take the record. On this question, there are 152'Yeas' and no lNays' Barry, 'Yeas' and this bill having

received the constituti6nal majority is hereby declared

passed. 4273.''


add Sections 614 through 6.26 to and to ,re'peal Sections 6OO'through 613 of 'The Illinois Insurance Code'. Third read-

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''T1Ae gentlcman from Cook, Mr. Moore.''

Don A . koore : ''Thank you , . Mr . Speaker, Laciies and Genhl.emen

of the House. Mr. Speaker. Hcuse 4273 is a bill that '

probably known more by the members of this body than

any other bill that we have on the calendar. We went

through this bill at length in the last session, or pardon

me, last year. We did pess out no fault insurance bill.

As I explained yesterday, Mr. Speaker, al1 this bill is

the same bill that we passed last year removing therefrom

parts that the Illinois supreme Court, Judge Covelli of

the Circuit Court of Ccok County felt unconstitutional.

Other than that, the benefits are Ehe same, the provisions

are the spme. The we did it last year. It is my opinion

that the people of the Stat-e of Illinois want no fanlt in-. ' .

surance which has Deen endorsed by every major neFspaper'

in the state, more recently by the Chicagc Sun Times and

the Chicaqo Today in editcrial fotr . I think that everyone

in this body is aware of wiat the bill does and Mr. Speaker

at this time I would move for the passege of Hopse Bill

4273.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bçrman.'t

Arthur L. Berman: ''Would the sponsor yield?n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Ah he indicates he will.''#

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Arthur L. Berman: ''Ah, Do'n, under this bill I'm a passenge

on a C.T.A. bus and I get injured, is there any way thatI will get my medical bill paid?''

Don A . Moore : '' 'lfhis was ' one o f the objections Lhat tl3e bi 11. . .àaj,? . '? : --- Ve ' . G E N E It A L A S S 1! M 8 L Y; ) t-> , Cyç 4

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cures , Representative Berman . As you recù' 11 , under Lhe

o1d bill, it pertained only to automobiles. This bill

covers al1 moto'r vehicles. A C.T.A. bus would be a motor

vehicle and your bills would be paid to you.''

Arthur L. Berman: ''We1l, ah, cculd you explain further where

that applies. I see that it talks about every insurance

policy that is used for motor vehicles: but I don't see

where this b'ill would apply to such insured as the C.T .A.''

Don A. Moore: ''We1l, as I recall, I believe that there is

that provision. aboard self insurancez either by bond or by

ctherwise. don't I can't put my finger on it at the#

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Arthur L. Berman: don't see any position in hexe for self

insurance, talks about policies that are delivered.''

Don A. Moore: OWel1 a person had his own auto policy and#

was injured on the bus, he wovld be covered, you may have

a point there, Representative Berman.''

Arthur Berlan: nAll right, if I may address myself to the

bill, Mr. Speaker. Now, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,

we have a bill here that is very similar to the bill that

we passed last year and that's the problem with it The

bill that >:e passed out' last year was found to be uncon-

stitutional for several reasons. Wfether we agree whether

we agree or disagree with the conclusions of the court, the

Supreme Court has said th.at there were. Yeveral fable de-

fects in that bill and T would point out to you that those

a number of those defects pre not cured by this bill. For

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example. brought out in the question that asked of

the principal sponsor, if I'm a passenger on a C .T.A. bus

or any other vehicle in which there is a self insurance

program, there would be no first party benefits available

to me. And yet my right to sue the C.T.A. or anyone else

would be mueh limited by the tenls of this act. I think

the Supreme Court said if that's a denial of the equal

prctection of the laws and this bill today does not cure

these defects. I would point out to you few cther things

Number one, this bill does ncthirzg for several categories

of our citizens. Number one, it does nothing for retired

people. There would be no wpge law that could be collected

by retired people. There would be no medical expenses that

could be recovered from these people, they are covered by

medicare. Therefore, the retired or senior citizens would

probably receive no first parèy benefits, but would be re-

stricted from his rights to sue for his injuries. Children

under 16 would sustain no wage law, therefore they would

not be compensated for such although under our current

court 1aw there could be a measure of wage law that they

might have earnqd, had they not been injured. Self emplcy-ed persons can recover loss of income today

, but under the

provisions of this bill, because the/e is no wages lost,they could recover nothing and that applies to a lar

genumber cf the people that sits in this body, such as self-

'employed insurance men, self-employed attorneys, doctors

or any other professional categories where you don't haveqq 1 nâ % 1 z ,,>: * ) .....:-. ': ' jï jt a j

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wages and therefore I do not think yourll be able to col-

lect anything under the first party benefits of. this bill.

If you lcok at other states that have adcpted nc fault, the

amcunt of benefits payable to the' citizens has been reduced

drastically and yet the profit margin to insurance compan-ies have increased dramatically. That is what this bill is

all about. It's to take away the rights Trom the citizens

of the State of Illinois, the right to recover what they

are entitled to, to give the insurance companies greater

profit and yet to impose a fictional first party benefit

and I say fictional, Ladies and .Gentlemen, because under

the existing automobile proeedures, 75 to 80 per cent of

al1 automobile insurance policies written in the State cf

Illinois before the passage of no fault carried medicalpay insurance, where we were paying .for the benefits to''

protect ourselves from this kind of calamity tc cover our.

own medical benefits. This bill merely does the same thing

but at a. price which I submit to you is too dear to pay

mainly the deposition of our life to collect in a court of1aw our riqhtful damages. And 1'11 point out one other

ething. One of the greatest arquntents for the bill that was

passed last year was the argument that our .ccurt backlog

would be reduced through the elimination of court eases andthe institution of arbitration throu' gh those bills. Thebill that we have before us today

, Ladics and Gentlomen,. has nothing in it regardkng a rbitrati

eon , so that you ' re

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number 1aw suits that wi 11 be càogging our cotlrè system

where there are sericus'injuries involved. And. one other,

think very very fatal situation hereyif you look at the

amendment to the bill, it gives to an insurance company

the right to determine what is reasonable medical expenses.

and the way the language is phrased and I'm referring to

page 5 of the amendment, says the reasonable value of

necessary medical treatment expense may be more than or

less than the actual dollar amount of medical treatment

expenses. Ladies and Gentlemen, this opens the door to

every insurance adjustor coming in and when ycu show them

that you've paid a medical bill of $100.00 for medical

treatment, he's going to tell you that that's an unreason-

able amount, all that they want to pay is $75.00 or.$50.OO

and there's no way that you're going tc be able to argut

with him. because you don't even have the right to go to

court to sue on it. This is giving the insurance company

the carte blanclae that follows what their obligation is

even under this watered down so=called no fault bill. I

think thot the bill should not be passed. think it re-

quires a great deal of work to glve to the people of the

State of Illinois the kind of relief from .the accident and

court situation, but this is not the answer. I urge a

'No ' vote.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Maragos.''

samuel C. Maragos: ''Mr. Speaker, would the sponsor yield to

a several questions?''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yese he indicates he wil1.''

Samuel è. Maragos: ''Don, could you please explain to me how

this amendment in this new bill here overcomes some of the

objectives that were in the supreme Covrt case of Grace v.

Howlett? First of all, now that you have eliminated evid-

ently the arbitrary the arbitrator's provisions khich

were compulsory'under the o1d bill which failed, why are

you substituting without going to court in order to show

what is reasonable expenses and whether there's reasonable

claims?''

Don A. Moore: HI didn't understand all of your question. Ah,

but to go over the bill briefly, you will see where we

eliminated the word automobile and inserted the words motor

vehicle. This was one objèction that was raised by the

court. The provision dealinq with arbitration which the '

court held rendered the original bill unconstitutional ah

has been completely removed from the bill that we have

under discussion now. Ah/ the third point insofar asreasonable value of qecessary medical expenses under the

o1d 1aw it was tied in as I recall, as the court said some-

thing that it discriminated against the poor people because

of the amount of eompensation that an individual eould re-

cover from pain and sufferings directly tied to the cost

of medical expenses which may vary from time to time . That

is remedied on page 5 lines 5, 6 and 7 where we say the

reasonable va lue of neces sary medj.ca 1 tre atment may be more'.jaor less than the aetuàl va lue and t a t the court on

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own motion or on the ntoticn e f eithçr party slza l2. designate

impartial medical panel of not more than three licensedan

physicians order to testify in order to remedy this pro-

blem. Those are the three basic objections to the SupremeCourt has that have been remedied by this bi11.'1

Samuel C. Maragos: ''I'd like to ask, however, Mr. Moo're,

would you please explain to me whether this medical panel

going to take the place the arbitraries arbitrators

on the Board of Arbitration which was in the old bill which

may be more opport to the court legal procedures that were

set up on the arbitration procedures before. Are you tell-

ing me that the three doctors are going to detennine the

reasonableness of this thing and are going to be a part

this act?''

Don A. Moore: '1Wel1, the arbitration provisions, agree, I

thought was a good provision to the old bill, but the Covrt

said no since so we just wrote out old secticn 602.''

samuel C. Maragos: ''But what makes you think that the three

panel medical three member medical panel will be anymore

likeable or more ah I mean will be agreeable to the court

than the regulation arbitration law?''

Don A. Moore: ''We11, it deals with pain and suffering, your

medical panel and I don't know who would be more qualified

than than panel of licensed physicians to examine the

individual and to until they pre familiar with a severe

whip lash case , the pain that is involved in it and ah much

more so than a panel laymen . ''

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Samuel Maragos: ''But the point is are they going to deter-

mine the amount of money to be awarded?n

Don A. Moore: ''No, they determine what the reasonable value

of the medical services are.''

samuel C. Maragos: ''And then in order to get the other ah

relief you have to so to court in any case, wouldn't you?'l

Don A. Moore: ''I'm sorry, didn't hear you.''

Samuel C. Maragos: ''In order to get the additional relief

you as far as payment fcr these injuries, you'd still have

to go to court, wouldn't you? In case you had a whip lash?'

Don Moore: is the same as it was before. If it can

be settled out of court, fine, if you have to go to court,

that's a1l right, too.''

Samuel C. Maragos: nAl1 right, one more questione on this

particular point. What makes you will the medical panels

be paid for their services in determining the reasonablenes '

of the fee?''

Don A. Moo/e: ''Wi11 the amount determined for. .''

samuel C. Maragos: ''Wi1l the medical panel for the Board of

Arbitration will that reconstitute will .they repay for the

services to determine whether these are reasonable or not

to by go the arbitration that stage?''

Don A. Moore: ''I think that that they would be part of the

court costs would be determined and proved by the ccurt.''

Samuel Maragos: ''Well the reason I'm bringing ths.s out#

why would they be why would they not in fact not be ob-

jectionable under the Constitutional Amendment Number 1962iko, ,,.''YXJL ' -.w''r G E x IT It A L. A s s E M 8 L. Y.j(.' v j y .. .: , j.(tJ % ) r .4 . x, I sv x, x. s o s I u t. j pp o 1 s

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YXDC Yh0XC ShOWiZ YC nO UOQ Offered under Yhe judicial

system which is objectio'n j.n the past decision of a court?''

A Moore: ''We1l the this medicàl panel provisions wasDon . ,

in the o1d law and until we passed last year and the Suprem

Court made no mention about that whatsoever. And the only

point that they touched on was the arbitration, so we can

only assume that there was no constitutional objection in-

sofar as a medieal panel was concerned.''

samuel C. Maragos: ''Wasn't there one other objection by the

court's decision that that automobiles of ah doctors and

lawyers and professional people, salesmen and architects.

who use their cars were excluded and under the section 600?'

Don A. Moore: ''l believe theyire covered.''

samuel C. Maragos: ''Was ambigucus whether they were cover-

ed under the o1d act which was found unconstitutional?l'

Don A. Moore: ''I'm sorry, Sam, did not hear.''

samuel C. Meragos: ''In the decision of Grace Hqwlett, did

not theecourt say that the automobiles of doctors, lawyers,

engineers, architects and saleslen, for example/ are in-

cluded in the provisiohs of Section 600? Uncertain, was

it ambiguous? And what language are you bringing into this

bill that would take away that uncertaintya''

Don A. Moore: ''I don't know. Perhaps the question was raised

>as something that was part cf your formal decision in this

or somebhing, Sam, I'm not familiar with it.''

famuel C. Maragos: ''We1l, that was cne of the ambiguities

thak er was expressed of klle servi ce wlnen they covered the

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question of motor vehicles as to what motor vehiçles we

were'taking at that time, and even though you included

now buses and other types vehicles this particular

bill, the bill does not say whether they are for business

purposes or personal purposes and there may be a question

in as to the uneertainties raised in the old decision.aga

Mr. Speaker, I#d like to address myself to the question

and state that although a gcod effort has been made by the

present draftsman of thenew bill to overcome some of the

objections to the unconstitutionality of the o1d act, I

still think there are many areas which are still negligent

and many areas that are still uncertain and I think that

this bill is successful and will meet the same fate as the

previous bill did and I thfnk we should wait until npxt

January, maybe bripg about a much bçtter bill better

bill to meet the objections of the Supreme Court after we'

have time to study it fully . I don't think we should ram-

rod the initial session, a bill something just to have of

record, which to me is objectionable inah many other areaslet alone the title we have not ëh ah let alone we never

have the time to properly study this bill. Therefore, I

would request that we vcte against this particular bill at

khis time.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The' gentleman from Sangamon. Mr. Lon-

drigan.''

Japes T. Londrigan: t'Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the Housc . 'l'hi s bi 11 i s sti l 1 uneonstitutiona l f or a ).l the

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reasons b<e argued last year. And for al1 of tbc reasons

given in a recent court'case. This bill was written by

the insurance industry. Aley were written by the industry

for two reasons. They're going to sell more insurance and

second reason and a big hooker here, which I can not see

why we can not see what is in front of the Massachusett

experience has showed they will pay less claims, they will

pay less claims, and that is why they are so interested in

this bill. In Massachusetts they paid five times less

claims in the same pericd. That is why the insurance in-

dustry wants this bill. Now, another point, they say we

can only recover general damages in sufficient amounts for

permanent disability. Klat about other serious injuries

that are net permanent? Broken erms, broken legs, teeth

out, spleen cut, many many other injuries will nct be com-pensated for and that's why the insurance companies want'

this bill. Also, theyire selling insurance like that. Loo

what will happen. The retired person who doesn't have a

job, the housewives who don't have jobs, the sta dents andanyone else who is not'employed and they would not have

loss of wages, must pay, must pa# this insurance prqmium.

No wonder insurance companies want it. What's the hurry in

effecting this bill? There are other bills that are bet-

ter that requires more stu dy and I have not received one

letter from a constituent asking me to vote for this bill

Why? Tlàey do not understand it . But we should unders tzand

it by now and w e shoul.d understand that no t a bill

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that the peoplo want alAd you vote this tllrough year

from now or two, you're going to hear from us when the

premiums do not go down as they said they would and when

they have a claim that is not properly compensated for,

.you're going to hear about it then. Iuet's defeat this

bill pnd ccme up with really good no fault bill. We're

a1l for a no fault bill where the people will pay reason-

able premiuM and are paying reasonable compensation where

there is interest. So, I suggest that we vote down this

bill and let's get on with it and get to a good one later.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from McHenry, Mr. Lind-

berg.''

George W. Lindberg: '.Mr. Speaker, it occurs to me that we're

rehashing much of what's already been said about this bill

and that's why I'd move the previous question.''

HOn.W. Robert Blair: .'Al1 those in favor of the previous

question say 'Yeas' the opposed 'NO' the 'Yeas' hive it# ê

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and the previous question's been moved.''

George W. Lindberg: ''Thank you.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentlemDn from Cook, Mr. Mocre,

to close.''

H h k 'ou ' Mr. Speaier, Ladies and GentlemenDon A. Moore: T an y ,' of the House. Mr. Speaker, I will be the first to admit

that this no fault bill is not the perfect bill. But

is a start. It's the first step. We took the first step

last year and the cou' rts làave held that there a re objectj.ve

in it which we have removed in this bi 1.J . We . re now taking

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I'm sure will be eontested in the courts again, if it is

held to be constitutional, we then can go ahead, expand the

coverage, dc the things tM t we really want to do insofar

as true no fault ccncerned. Now, it's interesting,

there were some remarks made as far as this being ah insur-

ance industry blll and so forth, it will sell more insur-

ance, I want to make it clear that the compulsory insurance

aspect of my original bill has been removed from the bill

under consideration today and interesting to note,

Mr. Speaker, that on January 1, 1972, when our present or

our o1d 1aw went into effect, there were voluntary reduc-

tions by the insurance industry on the bodily injury andproperty damage premiums tha * were paid by the poople of

the state of Illhois. Thqse were voluntarv, thev had !ào

experience, but they do know they are fully due premiums'

and reduced premiums and save the people of the state of

Illinois some $4 million, Vr. Speaker, $4 million on a loss

that the courts have held unconstitutional, that the

surance industry has assume because the contract has

been written. The Supreme Court noted three specific cb-

jections raised by the Illinois Supreme Court have been

removed from that that bill. They are not in our present

bill. It's my feeling, the feeling of other ccnstitutional

attorneys who have studied this problem, that this

constitutional bill and as far as waiting until January,

Mr . Speaker , the people of tbe Stat'e o f Illillois don ' t

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want to wait until Jannary to consider this matter. They

want no fault now. vast majority of those five millicn

policy holders in the State of Illinois are looking forward

to reduction in rates. They're looking forward to having

their claims paid within 30 days as they submit their bill.

They're lcoking forward to eliminating or reducing the.

, taseback log of cases that we have in the courts of th s s

and unless we do act Mr. Speaker, you know what's going to

happen, I know what's going to happen, the federal govern-

ment and the U. S. Congress knows what's going to happen,

they're going to move in and we'll have to accept their

type of no fault insurance. I think this is a good bill

and it's familiar with al1 of us and received some l16

votes when it was voted upon last year and Mr. Speaker, I

request favorable roll ca11.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nThe question is shall House Bill 4273

pass? A11 those in favor will vote 'Yeas' and the opposed

'No'. iave all voted who wished? The gentleman from Chris-

tian, Mr. Tipsword.''

Rolland F. Tipsword: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladiss and Gentlemen,

I'd like to explain my vote. I'm going to have to be re-

corded as voting 'Present' on this bill. And going to

do it for the reason that what 1, one of the things that

have objected to in the original bill was the limitationon payment of suffering which has now been expanded to gen-

. era 1. damages , so that the people are little more limited

in that respect under thj.s bi 11 tllan they were the pre -

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vious one. Also, there is no provision for the control of

premiums in the State of Illinois on this kind of no fault

insurance. I'm votinq 'Present' in addition because the.

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people ot this state want a no fault insurance. but they

want a no fault insurance law that gives an adequate pro-

teetion that does not rob them, that assures them that .

their claims are going to be paid and the coverage most

of the aspects of the damage they receive in an automobile

accident, and this is not do so, so consequently, I would

ask the Speaker that I may be recorded as voting 'Present'

on this bil1.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Record the gentleman, record the

gentleman as voting 'Present'. The gentleman from Cook,

Mr. Kosinskia'' .

Roman J. Kosinski: ''Mr. Speaker, will you also record me as

voting 'Present'.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Kosinskie 'Present'. The gentleman

from Cook, Mr. Welsh.''

Raymond J. Welsh, Jr.: ''Mr. Speaker, would you record me as

voting 'Present' ''

. Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Reeord the gentleman as voting 'Pres-

ent' The gentleman from Bureau; Mr. Barry.''Tobias Barry: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

!House, I think weire al1 big boys down here and even the

freshmzn have some considerable experience now. We well

recognize that no f ault 'isn ' t going anywhere vzithcut the

coopera tion o f both po q.itic a 1 pa rtie s . I think we a l l re -

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cognize that the people are tired of paying high premiums

and they want some kind of change in the systom. I really

believe that primarily they if they had their wish would

suggest to this legislature, and this is going tc strengthe

that their premiums on automobile insurance be controlled

by the Department that they are paying for. Now, I'm votin

'Yeas' as you will see up there, even thcugh I've never

voted for a no fault bill before, well recognizing that if

this no fault bill passes and goqs over to the Senate, it's

going to die there until next year and probably a committee

or a commission is going to determine what is good for the

people under the circumstances. No fault is not a popular

piece of wordfng in my opinion and there are better systems

in this assembly, I might mention wh'ile I'm on my feet that

before the day is out, will have a referation fund on thi. )

system to add to my so-called no fault, pure no fault bill

which will change entirely, but which will, think. in

fact, give the committee or the commission either here or

in the Senate or b0th, a start into doing something for the

people for a change and that is the reason for my green

=Ote.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Mcpart-

lin.''

Robert F. Mepartlin: ''Mr. Speaker, I'd like to be recorded

as votin: 'Present'.''

Ilon. Robert Blair: ''Record the gentlempn as voting 'Presen '.

The gentlema n f rom Ra ndolph , Hol loway '. ''

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James D. Holloway: ''Mr. Speaker, would you have the Clerk

reeord me as 'Presentî .'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Record the gentleman as 'Present'.

The gentleman from Ccok, Mr. Leon.''

John P. Leon: ''Record me as 'Present' please.''#

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Record the gentleman as 'Present'. .

The gentleman from Cook, Mr. èapparelli-''

Ralph C. Capparelli: ''Reccrd me as 'Present'.'' . l

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''Record the gyntleman as 'Present'.

The gentleman from Maeon, Mr. Alsup.'' '

John W. Alsup: n'present' ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Record the gentleman as 'Present'.

The gentleman from Champaign, Mr. Hirschfeld.''

John C. Hirschfeld: ''We11 Mr. Speaker,and Ladies and Gen- 'r

tlemen of the House, I would like to support this bill,

because I think it's a step in the right direction. But

unfortunately, in the last session of the General Assembly

we passed a no fault bill and subsequent to that time a

member of this particular chamber saw fit to leak a storyë

to the press that there was a rumor that a number of legis-

lators had accepted money in return for voting for no fault

Now, I consider that kind of a statement on the part of

any member of the House of Representatives most unfair to

the other members of this House, particularly since ik was

never substantiated. No follow up stcry was ever substan-: .

' , tiated or printed nor was a reLraction ever made and until

suclA time as one is made . I ' m (joing to vo tne ' Presen U. ' cn

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this bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentlemavn from Cook, Mr. Peter

Miller.'.

Peter J. Miller: ''Wel1, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, too, would admit to the stories about the

no fault insurance passed in the Committee on Insurance

or on the floor here where the Daily News called me. I

offered to take a lie test that I or any member of the In-

surance Committee that I know of had nothing to do with

the rumors or accepted any gratuity. However, I believe

when you want to defeat something, you start a rumor about

something. And some of the fellows stand to lose if this

beccmes law are going to start rumors, but what about the

little John Q. Public at home that has to wait three to

five years to get a settlepent and then lose a third of

it to the attorney who repre/ents them. Now, I don't

. sell insurance, I'm not an attorney, I'm just a litile

John Q. Public, but I'm down here and I try to measure my

thinking about how it affects the fellow who sends me down

here. This is the first time that the insurance industry

is living up to its clear responsibility, up to its charter

in granting something. Sure, they're going to save some

money on investigations and court côsts and other things,

but if we're also stopping tougher standards that you'll

get from the federal government. Now,. I can say is

when you go back home' and you've left this subject to the

gray area, how are ycu going tc answer your constituents?

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What side of the fence are you 014? I'm not worrying about

the insurance companies or the attorneys, I'm worrying a-

bout the fellow that says to me go down there, and he ex-

pects us to do something about this. This has been the

induced problem ever since I've been in this House, that

I've read editorial after editorial saying this was a do-

nothing legislature on insurénce and it says that we are-

not responsive to the needs of the little people. Now that

we àccept to do something, what happens here? You're list-

ening to the trial lawyer, you're listening tô other people

who start rumcrs, and you're defeating the supreme Court,

yes the Supreme Court's legislating who don't know what

they're doing but they did and we're following their re-

commendaEions here in correcting this and what happens?

You allow the rumors, you allow a certain influence here to

cloud your thinking. Get with it, you're going to face

the election in November and theylre going to say again in

truth, you shirk your responsibility. I'm happy to vote

' Yeas ' ''

Hon. Rcbert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Yourell-''

Harry Yourell: ''Thank ycu, Mr'. Speaker, as you notice by the

board, I have not voted on this fill yet. And since I con-

sider Representative Scariano very knowledgeable, I would

like to yield my time to him with leave of the House .''

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''The gentleman from Calhoun, Mr. Hart,

Ccrbett . ''

Jerry Corbett : '''present ' . ''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: nRecord the gentleman as dpresent'.

The gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich.''

John s. Matijevich: ''Ah. Mr. Speaker, Melabers of the House,

I want to explain my vote because Peter Miller did say we

ought to vote the way the people whom we represent would

like us to vote. I've always felt that that's the way I

voted on every issue. think what we ought to remember

is that the people are most concerned that the premiums con

tinue to rise as far as the insurance companies. Thpt's. *

what they're really concerned about. We have no guarantee

when we debated this bill last year that there would be a

reduetion. Where do a11 these savings go when there will

be lessor claims, when there will be lessor attorney fees,

what do the people have to benefit if they're already sav-

ing, why aren't the premiums reduced? Why isn't there a

guarantee? Representative Miller says that we do nothing.

the people think that we do nothing. If we wanted to do

something with regards to these high premium rates, why

didn't we as a legislator say that the Deparlnent of Insur-

ance ought to control rates? That's what the people are

really concerned about. Yhis bill provides no guarantee,

no protection that the rates wili decrease and not only

that it's not even a good no fault bill. And because of

that, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I vote

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea.''

Gerald w. shea : ''I ' d like ' to rise point of personaz

privilege, Mr. Speaker.''

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Hon . W . Robert Bla i r : '' Sta rt . ''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Pardon më?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''start, go ahead.'' ''Gerald W. Shea: ''Mr. Speaker, you're the.speaker of all the

House, on b0th sides of the aisle-n

Hcn. W. Robert Blair: ''That's not a point of personal privil-

C V C * ' '

Gerald W. Shea: '.1'11 get.

Hcn. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from .''

Gerald W. SMe a: ''Mr. Speaker.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''We1l get to your point.''. #

Gerald W. Shea: .my point is that there is a member on

my side of the aisle requesting to the right to explain

his vote. .''

Hcn. W. Robert Blair: HAnd I expect that when I get to him,

1.11 get to him. There are other members on the floor,

too, and the Speaker is the one that is charged with the

responsibility of running the House. Now, I know that

gentleman is over there and ah people are explaining their

vote and wedll get tc him sometime. The gentleman from

Lawrence, Mr. Cunningham.''

Roscce D. Cunningham: HMr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen

of the House , if the principa 1 of truth in advertising

were applicable tc bills, this bill would have to be lobel-

ed an aeL to resoive negligent motorists of financial re-

sponsibility for their acts in doing, or an autcmobile

driver ' s immunity act . This c4 lleged panns.ng of tlle pulalic. . .. . .

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for the benefit of no foult insurance is predicated on the

proposition that the premium rate would be drastically re-

duced. Yet, last year we found after we enacted a no fault

bill that the insurance company only made small insignifi-

cant, inconsequential reductions. Nobody's policy was re-

duced as much as a $5.00 bill. And yet in the insurance

committee, it was brought out by one of our leaders, Repres

entabive Epton, that Continental Insurance for a $5.00 bill

will sell you an accident policy that that will bring al1

the benefits required under this policy. Before we ïm sh

head long into this breàch of passing a bill that we think

is a public law, let's take a little while to be sure the

public understands that they are forever relinquishing thei

rights of recovery for injury that have always been the lawin Illinois since time began. There's nothing wrong with

the principle that a person should be held financially re-

sponsible for his own negligent acts. I say to you that

the supreme Court is giving us another chance. Let's not

fall for this huckster's gim'mick. Let's put off until anothe

day until a period longer until we're better i n'formed,

let's not pass the bills that the senete have already told

us won't pass. urge you to vote .No' ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from McLean, Mr. Bradley ''

Gerald A. Bradley: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, it has been said here today that we should re-

member the people that ke represent here in Springfield whe

we're voting on this particular bill and I certainly intend

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to do that . I do IA ave in my D re :3 1.a rge st automobi le

insurance company in the world, however, I'm very happy

that it was brought out that there were some rumors about

green dollars being passed out and it certainly has never

happened as far as I am knowledgoe le about in my area. I

rise, though, Mr. Spèaker, to make a point tc some of the

members who evidently'. buy their insurance from other

companies, because the state Farm Insuranee Company gave a

10 per cent dividend reduction last year that would apply

e their auiomobile insurance to everybody that had state

farm automobile insurance. Now, just like, not here to

stand up and fight for the insurance eompanies by any such

an i'magination, but how many other businesses do you know

that have' made a cut of 10 per cent in what they're selling

to the people tcday? And they mde that reduction because

they did have a premium a gocd year the year before, they

still were paying al1 of their claims and my main point in

rising here today is just to say to you that one company

that know of that has done business in the State of 111-

incis gave a ten per cent reduction aeross the board to #1l

automobile insurance policy holders of that particular com-

pany. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Will Mr. O'Brien.''#

George M. O'Brien: ''Ah Mr. Speaker, Members cf the House, I#

think we meet the point in some respects about talking abou

a variety of issues and Vot getting to the heart cf a matte

which is the person who is injured in an automobile acciden .

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doesn't want to make a coreer 1aw suit out of just

wants to be mpde whole again and be pllowed to go his way.

Now, these are the great faults of the people who are

fected by this legislation. Secondly, I think we debate

things like this which have a flare ofderring-do in them

because of the phrases that we might be making a mistake.

My motion is that this has bëen debated and debated and de-

bated. It's high time we gave it a whirl and see whether o

not it works reasonably well. If we don't do it, the fed-

eral government will and prefer to see us'do it in

Illinois.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman from Cook, Mr. B. B.

Wolfe.''

Bernard B. Wolfe: ''We're getting close.. Thank you, Mr.

Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. A brief expla-

nation of my vote. First of all, I'm a practicing attorney

34 years. I've spent some time in the insurance business

and found out two things. The problems created in the

State of Illinois of today are the results of the settle-

ment procedures of the insurance companies. Now, I'm going

tc repeat that. The settlement procedures of the insurance

companies create a11 of the probiems of the policy holders

and let's not hear on the floor of this House about what

the policy holders want. don't think one in a thousand

has ever read policy. I don't think any. .I'm going

tell you something téat somebody asked me just the other

day. Have I read my current policy and I told them no and

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I ' m a lawyer c'nd tlli.s i s the th is is what is happening

throùghout this state and every other state in the union.

Not only as to automobile insurance, bu* most insurances

. sold by a relative or a friend and they tell them it's a

good thing, ycu take it on face value whether it's a life

insurance poliey, an automcbile policy, or a homeowners

policy. The first time you find out that you've been mis- '

represented is when you make a claim and this is where thes

companies have an edge. In the Wall Street Journal, Friday

May 28, 1971, a lead story on page 1, believe it or not,auto insurance rates fall as concerns reap underlining pro-fits. And this is the name of the game

. We passed two

bills out of this House in this session, followed up in com

mittee on the other side which would bring to the people ofthe State of Illinois a new concept in this whole

.field. and. which would provide quiek settlernents

. And what's the re'-

sult of those two bills? Sure, it's going to hurt the in-

surance çomppnies and theylv'e got it bottled up. Now , we

ihave got to make up our minds today whether we're going towrite the laws for the people or whether the insurance com- :

panies are going to write the lawg for the peopl

e of the. 1State of Ilkinois inconneetion with automobile insurancee l

:life and aL1 the rest of the insuranees . This proposition

has not been submitted tb our own study commission and itto me is.a grievous error. And I say that this House

should stand and vote against this bill until there's beena deliberation of stud: by those that sqe have put int

o re--Ym, .

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sponsibi lity in this area . '''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''i.lave a11 voted who wished? The gentle

man from cook, .Mr. Scariano.''

Anthony Scariano: ''I thought I had the loudest jacket in the

. House of Representatives, Mr. Speaker, but apparently I

don't ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: 'IThat took ten seconds.''

Anthony Scariano: ''The U. S. Department of Transportation,

ah, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, has

within the last three years exhaustedly redocumented the

short comings of the pres ènt . court liability system which

applies to auto accidents concerning many other studies

conducted since 1932. The lack of payment to many, the

over payment to the critically injured, the underpayment toIithe seriously injured, the long delays of payment, the par- k

. itial payment of the claims of the pecple, and fcr insurance '

overhead, the effect on court calendars and so forth. The

solution reccmmended by the U. s. Department of Transporta-

i is also one that follows many other subjects. Itt on

calls for substantial no fault benefits, that is parnent.

' by one's own insurance company without regard as to who is

at fault in the accizent, for medical expenses and wage

loss. Correspondingly, according te the recommendation,

the fault or so called court appearance should be elimina- '

ted unless the injured party has suffered very severely to. injury. This bill stprted out that way. This bill was a

gocd bill when it was inkroduced. And professional staff

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drafted my bill. This bill follows very closely to keeping

the original bill in its original fcrm. But everything

after the enacting clause was stricken in colmnittee and

they substituted a retreaded Ogilvie bill which was found

to be unconstitutional. I have no pride of authorship' I

would have gone for either the original bill sponsored by

Representative Moore, or my bill. They were 10th good

bills and prbfessional talent said so. But what good did

retreading that bill violating the Department of Transport-

ation criteria the Nixon ae linistration's Department of

Transportation, if you please, and you violate sound prin-

ciple by not going far enough because it presexves the

fault system, it preserves fault claims and publication.

You have two systems standing side by side now under this

bill. You have a so-called modified no fault in additign

to the present fault system dnd i% simply can not exist.

There is no property damage covered: despite the fadt that

75 to 80 per cent of the claims are property damage. There

is no protection against a drunken driver. It is fully a

no fault bill as you can find and humbly the title is no

fault. This was drafted by the enemies of no fault. The

insurance industry itself and I s'ay that if this bill had

remained in its criginal form. I wcùld have supported it

on the floor as I supported it in committee and that as

professional talent said that it was a good bill. You may

make it ccnstitutionalw you can't make a good bill.

The Supreme Court said what you could do to make it con-

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stitutional, but it didn't say what you could dc to make it

a good bill. It's a phony no fault system, it's a hoax on

the People of the State of Illinois and it ought to be de-

feated until we get.@

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A11 right.

Anthony Seariano: .original bzll

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''. . .the gentleman, pne one one mom-

ent. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Hyde.''

Henry Hyde: ''Ah, I was about to raise a point that the

gentleman had exceeded his time, however, he did terminate

his remarks. I guess he X d. It reminds me of the wedding

feast at Cana in reverse. Ah, they saved the best wine

until last and you can reverse that procedure, but it's

always a pleasure to hear irom ycu, Tony.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Sangamon, Mr. Gibbs ''

W. Joseph Gibbs: HWell Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemèn#

of the House. I serve on the Insurance Committee and ah

last term we had this no fault bill which I voted for and

supported, as a co-sponsor. Welre all critical here amongs

ourselves of the court, especially the Supreme Ccurt in the

decisions in ethics and no fault 'and some of the other

bills that they struck down. But then serve on this com-

mittee and a1l of the sudden we ah were in one day and then

a half hour later we get an amendment. We're not told any-

thing about it and ell of the sudden they say this is what

it does and we don't have time to review it or hear wit-

nesses or hear opposièion on it. To mee I thilG we bzgve

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to sit back and look at the court's decision a little may-

be little more objectively. They did find some difficul-

ties in the bill and then when Professor O'Connell, who is

supposed to be one of the foremost authorities in the coun-

try on no fault insurance was asked a question by me as to

whether or not a certain provision which allowed the Dir-

ector of Insurance to negate, mind you to negate, the pro-

visions of your policy if he thought the public policy de-

cided that. He stated right as speaker and a propcnent

of the program, that he didn't think it was quite constitu-

tional. Now, when scmeone with that type of a reputation

who is for this bill makes a statement to me. I'm not going

to vote for a bill that I'm going to push out again and be

criticized. The people aren't saying now , they're not

criticizing the court so much, they,'re getting awey from

that. And they're saying why don't those idiots in the

t legislature pass something that's legal, 1ot of them are

lawyersp. they should kncw what is going on . Another reason

I today: Mr. Speaker, the way I'm going to vote As because

of the fact that I think needs a lot of study and in

addition to that, think Represe'ntative North made a very

good point when he eame out. I think last time and had an

amendment to the bill. That was to the effect that here

' tting the insu/ance benefits are going to the insurwe re ge

ance company immediately. They get the benefits right

conformity with the policy. ïThy aren't they required to

reduce their premiums 'at the same time in this bill? Now

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that type of statement ah I think makes a gocd .lot of

good logical sense and i think it requires further study

by a commission and for that reasdn 1.11 vote 'Present'

today.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Have a1l voted who wished? Choate,

'Present'. Calvo, 'Present'. Will talk.''

Horace L. Calvo: ''I'd like to briefly explain my vote, Mr.

Speaker. I've heard a 1ot of talk here today about this

is a great clamor of the public, kbey want this bill and

they need it and it will save them money, etc. However,

it is interesting to me to note that am not received one

communication by way of telephone call or letter or anythin

else from my constituents. I would like to tell you as

certain as standing here that the two companies.. one

of' them is the number three company. in the State of Illinoi

as far as policies written, particularly downstate, they

told me after the passage of the last no fault bill from

their office in the city of one of the gentlemen that spoke

in favor of this bill, that we have promised we.will not

increase premiums this yearz but there's no question that

we will have tc increase premiums as a result of the adop-

tion of this program. Now. is this what weire voting for

for our constituents and for the people and policy holders,

an increase in premiums? If you vote for this program,

that's What you're voting for. Another company also told

me this, who writes the next largest number of policies in

my col=mnity and in my district overall and it's the same#

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size district population wise as the rest of .us, but

let's not increase the Sremiums and this is the reason I'm

voting 'No'. Thank you.''

kon. W. Robert Blair: ''Take the record. .The gentleman from

Cook, Mr. Moore.''

Don A. Moore: ''Ah, Mr. Speaker, would you be kind enough to

poll the 58 absentees.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The Clerk will poll the record of the

absentees.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Arrigo, Barnes, Caldwell.. ''

Hcn. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Lake, Barnes,

'Present' n

Fredric B. selcke: ''You got that, George?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Caldwell, 'Present'.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Capparelli, 'Present'. Yeah. Capuzi;

Carrigany.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''carrigan there, 'Presentl.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Richard Carter, Choate's present, isn't

he? Otis Collins, Corbett, William Cunningham- .

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Present, yeah.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Davis.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Present-''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Diprima, Epton.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Present, Epton,

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Ewell, Flinn.

Hcn. W. Robert Blair: ''Flinn,

Fredric B . Se lcke : '' Granata , Hirscl'lf e1d Ron 110 f fman . . ''. . .. .

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Hirschfeld, 'Present'.''

Fredrie B. selcke: ''Holloway,. .''

Hcn. W. Robert Blair: nPresent, Holloway-''

Fredric B. selcke: ''Iloulihan, Janczak, Kahoun, Kannazyn,

Klosak, Kosinski.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Kosinskiy 'Present'.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Lehman, Lehard, McDermott, McDevitt,

Mcpartlin, present, isn't he? Redmond, Ropa, Schlickman,

Ike Sims, Springer, Taylcr.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Taylor, 'Present'.n

Fredric B. selcke: ''Jack Thompson,.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: Hpresent: Jack Thompson, 'Present'.''

Fredric B. Selcke: nRobert Thompson: Tipsword,.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ' ''Robert Thompson., 'Present'.n

Fredric B. selcke: ''Yeah, Richard Walsh, W. Walsh.

Hpn. W. Robert Blair: ''William Walsh. 'Present'.''

Fredric B. selcke: ''Harold Washington.n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Harold Washington, 'Present'.''

Fredric Selcke: .'Ah, Frank Wolf..

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Frank Wolf, 'Present'.''

Fredric B. àelcke: nAll right, you got a11 them presents?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''We're on 68, yeah, the gentleman from

Cook, Mr. Mocre.t'

Don A. Moore: ''Mr. Speaker, like this bill to be taken

from the record at this time-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: 'fAl1 right, objection has been heard.''

Don A. Moore: ''In that case, Mr. Speaker, I'd like to move

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to postpone ccnsideration on House Bill 4273.''

Hon. WxRober: Blair: ''A11 right, does the gentleman have

leave to postpone. right, there is leave. The bill

will be placed on the order of postponed consideration .

Go back now tc second readings, then of House Bills. House

Bills second reading. House Bill 1602, Repres-.

Fredric B. Selcke: HRon Hoffman. House Bill 1602. A bill '

for an act to require the labeling of certain products with

their ingredients and provide penalties for violations

thereof. Second reading of the bill. One one committee

amendment. Nnend.

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: HIs Representakive Hoffman on the

floor? No, take it out of the record. House Bill 3781.'.

Fredric B. Selcke: nHouse Bill 3781. A bill for an aqt to

amend 'The Vehicleqcode'. . Second rpading of the hil1..' No


Hon. W. Robert Blair: HAny amendments frcm the floora''

Fredric B..Se1cke: 'îAmendmeni Number Three. Amend House Bill

3781 as amended on page 2, by striking lines 22 and 23,

and inserting in lieu thereof the following: 'must provide

that the owner is primarily liable'.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman frcm Cook Representa-. '

tive Carter, this bill was a read a second time.

Could you refresh our memories at this time as to what

amendments were adopted and which were not?''

James Y. Carter: HAh believe Amendment Nuneer > zo was

adopted. That ought to be tho long one .''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Representative Simmons, for'what pur-

pose do you rise?''

Arthur E. Simmons: ''I believe Amendment Number One and Two

were adopted.''

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''Proceed .''

Eredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment Number Three.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Carter.''

James Y. Carter: nAh Mr. Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen of. '

the House, ah we've fcund we made an error in Amendment

Number One. I believe at this time I would like to move

the House have leave of the House to toble, al1 right,

need a point of parliamentary inquiry back here. At this

time: I don't think I know what I'm doing.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''state' your point, sir.''

James Y. Carter: ''Ah Amendment Number Two changes the lines#

that would affect the amendment thak is going to.be have

to be adopted now. Is it necessary then that I table Num-

ber One?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Amendment Number %gc, Representative.carter or.

James Y. Carter: ''There was no conflict originally, but when

I took it back from third reading and brought it back to

second for the purpose of amendment , the amendment that was

going to'be offered changed the lines entirely.'.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: HRepresentative Carter, it appears as

though there would be no conflict, perhaps we could label

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Amendment Number Three an amendment to House Bill 37814 as

amended, that perhaps would clear it up.n

James Y. Carter: ''Then: Mr. Chairman, I would like to move

forthe adoption of Amendment Number Thçee .

Hon. W . Robert Bloirz ''Is there any diseussion? The gentle-

man from Cook, Representative Sillncns.''

Arthur E. Simmons: HWould the Clerk read Number Three briefly ''Fredric selcke: ''Amendmen't Nuneer Three

. Amend House Bill3781, as amended, on page 2. by striking lines 22 and 23

and inserting in lieu thereof the following: 'must pro-

vide that the owner is primarily liable'.''

Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Is there further discussion? If notthe gentleman has offered to move the adoption of Nnendmm tNumber Three to House Bill 3781, as amended. Al1 thpse in

favor signify by saying ''yças', the opposed 'No' the 'Yeas, . #' .

have it and the amendment adopted. Are there further

amendments? Third reading. House Bill 4264.'1

Fredric B. Selcke: nHouse Bill 4264.. A bill for an act to.A'

amend 'The School Code' Second reading of the bill. One

Committee Amendment. Amend Hcuse Bill 4264 cn page l by

deleting line 1 anà inserting lieu thereof the follow-

ing: an act to add Section 18- 8.2 and so fprth .''

Hon. Robert Blairz ''The gentleman, take out of the re-

cord, Representative Smith? Take it out of the record.House Bill 4397.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 43-, we've moved that. ''

Hon . W . Robert B1a ir : ''Hou s e Bi l l 4 3 96 .

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amend Section 13 of an act to provide fcr the creation

and management Df a forest preserve distriet. Second read-

ing of the bill. No committee amendments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Are there any amendments from the

floor? Third reading . House Bill 4412.''

Fredric selcke: ''House Bill 4412. A bill for an act to

amend an act'relating to coroners. Second reading of thebill. No committee amendments

.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Are there amendments from the floor?Thiid reading. House Bill 4462. '.

Fredric B. selcke: ''Hcuse Bill 4462. A bill for an act to

amend 'The Pension Code'. Second reading of the. bill. Nocommittee amendments.

''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Are thpre arnendments frcm the floor?Third reading. House Bill.

Fredric B. Seicke: ''Amendment Number One, Sims. Amend House

iBill 4462 on page 1, line 20 by deleting one and inserting

in lieu thereof seven, and on page 3. line 3 by deleting

cne and inserting in lieu thereof seven.''

Hon. W. Robert Blaiy: ''Is Representative Sims on the floor?Take it out of the record . House Bill 4465.''

Fredric B. selcke: ''House. .

''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Take it out of the reeord. House Bill

4486.''

Fre'dric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 44what? House Bill 4486. A

bill for an act to amend 'The Election Code '. Second read-. <.---ê'è l ? ,.

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ing of the bill. Nc committee amendments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor?''

Fredric B. Selcken ''Nnendment Number One, P. W. Collins.

Amends House Bill 4486 on page 1, line 13 by deleting 'or-'- ;and on page line 14 by deleting 'lists'; and cn page 1

,

by deleting lines 16 and l7; and on page line by de-

le/ing 'the supplemental lists' and by inserting in lieu

thereof 'this supplemental list'; and so forth-''


tive Phil Collins.''

Philip 'W. Collins: ''Ah, Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, House Bill 4486 deals with the colleetion of

judges of electicn and that's in the power of thp countychairman to designate such persons to serve

. Ah, frcm the

list or supplemental lists. Ah, Amenonent Number One willstipulate that if the Chairman doe: not make appointmentsfrom the supplemental list within 10 days

, then the p'oint

of power will revert tc the election authority and I wouldmove for adoption of Amendment Number One. ''

Fon. Robert Blair: ''Is there any discussion? not, thegentleman has offered to move the adoption of AmendmentNumber One to House Bilb 4486. A11 those in favor of adop-

tion signify by saying 'Yeas', the ogposed tNo' the gentleman from Cook: Representative Berman

.''

Arthur L. Berman; ''Could we ah we have twç amendments here,.could you tell me whiéh one is being offereda''

Hon. W . Roberl Blair: ''Amendment Number One is being offered.

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Well, right now.

Arthur L. Berman: OWel1. they're not numbered, could you ahread.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Could the Clerk read a few lines or

words, ah.

Fredric selcke: ''Amendment Number One, Phil Collins. A-

mehd House Bill 4486 on page 1, by deleting 'or'; and onpage 1, 1ine.l4 by deleting 'lists'; and on page 1, bydeleting lines 16 and l7; and on page 1

. line 19 by deletin' the . - ''

Arthur'L. Berman: '1No, that's ah, could you read further down ''

Fredric B. Selekel ''How .

Arthur L. Berman: nls there any change on page 1, line 30,.

that's one of the differenees.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Page 1, line 3O? Not on the amendment I

have . ''

Arthur L. Berman: ''All right. A1l right, 1et me refer 'to

the line-l4 .on the amendment then, is that start on page 2,line 17''

Predric B. Selcke: ''Page .''

Arthur L. Berman: ''Line 14 of the amendment?''

Fredric B Selcke : '.Ah ' ye.s . '.

Arthur L. Berman: ''That's the one we're talking about.''Fredric B. Selcke: ''On page 2, line l by inserting the words

'if, upon receipt of such notifieations', .the ehairmon of

the . . . ''

Arthur L. Berman: ''Oh al1 right, thank you.''#

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: there further discussion? The

gentleman has offered to move the adoption of Amendment

Number One to House Bill 4486. A1l those in favor of adop-

tbn signify by saying 'Yeas' the opposed 'No' the 'Yeas'#

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have it and the amendment is adcpted. Are there further

amendments? Third reading. Hcuse Bill 4508...

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill '4508.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Let's take that out of the record.

Hcuse Bill 4510.'.

Fredric B. selcke: ''House Bill 4510. 4510.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''House Bill 4537.'.

Fredrie B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4537. A bill for an act to

amend 'The Schocl Code'. Second reading of the bill. No

colmuittee amandments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor? Thirdreading. House Bill 4544.

'1

Fredric B. Selekel ''House Bill 4544. A bill for an act to

amend 'The Vehicle Code'. Second reading of the bill. No


Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Are there amendment: from the floor?Third reading. House Bill 4547.

''

Fredric seleke: ''House Bill 4547. A bill for an act to

amend 'The Election Code'. Second reading the bill. Nocommittee amendments.

''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Are there any amendmqnts from the

floor?''

Fredric Selcke: ''Amendment Number One, Juckett. Nuend

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62.

House Bill 4547 on page 2 by deleting lines 14 through 33

and inserting in lieu thereof the following: Lincorporated

towns and townships, but there shall be no registration in

the offices of city, village, incbrporated town and town

offices during the 45 days ina ediately preceding anz elec-

tion which is to be held throughout the countyl.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook. Representa-

tive Juckett.''

Robert S. Juckett: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, this in fact comes this bill to the agreement that

we had in Elections Committee to allow 45 days prior to the

any eleetion held by the county and it has been cleared orconformed with the county clerk of Cook County and

,1 wouldurge the adoption of Amendment Number One to Hcuse Bill

4 5 4 *1 . 'f

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there any discussion? The gentle-

man has offered to move the adoption of Amendment NumberOne to House Bill 4547. A1l those in favor signify bysaying 'Yeas', the opposed 'No'

, the amendment is adopted.

Are there further amendments? Third reading. Hcuse Bill

.4535.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bi11 4535. A bill'for an act to

in relation to consumer credit information. Second readingof the bill. No committee amendments. t'

Hon. W . Roblrt Blair: ''Are there amencY ents from the floor?''

Eredric B. Selcke: ''Amendmant Number One, Hill. Nnend House

Bill 4535 on page 1, by striking lines 23 and 24q $ . S) ., ,S ') : --- 'r)' G E N E lt A L 2: S S E M 11 L Y. ;; jx! - . .) -( . >. ' ' )t* i k s w n v' Iz t:f e 1 u u , pl o 1 si .,v . . y -. . .' . . .

' V/ H G k' 5 IZ O P' F? C P R i 7 S VS N Y A T ' V C 65' s>

and inserting in lieu thereof tlae f ollowing : ' c. oncerning

a consumer slàaz.l send to the cpnsumer, by mail, - a form

letter containipg the name and address cf such. . and so

forth.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Kane, Representa-

tive Hill.''

John Jerome Hill: 'tThis amendment will take out of the orig-inal bill the registered mail and they ean send a form let-ter with this amendment. I'd appreciate it being adcpted

.''

Hcn. W . Robert Blair: HIs there any discussion? The gentle-man'has offered to move the adopticn of Amendment Number Onto House Bill 4535. Al1 those in favor will signify bysaying 'Yeas', the opposed 'No% thb amendment is adopted.A there furthev amendments? Third reading

. House Billre

House Bill 4557.'1


amend Section 5-701 of 'The Illizois Highway Code'. 'second

reading pf the bill. One Committee Amendment. Amend House

Bill 4557 on page 1, lines through by striking '5- 701 l2'where it appears in those lines and inserting in li

eu thereof '5-701.16' and so forthi.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Qhe. gentleman' from Cook, Representa-tive J. Y. Carter.''

James Y. Carter: ''Ah Mr . Speaker and Lodies and Gentlemen of

the House, the ccmmittee amendment makes .some technical

ehanges which were left out in drafting t4e bill and alsoehanses some numbering whieh had to be done in tem s of

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the sections . I ' d like to move f or its adopts.on . ''


man has offered' to move the adoption cf Amendment Number

One to House Bill 4557. All in favor of adoption signify

.by saying, the gentleman from Bureau, Representative Barry,

requires recognition on this matter?''

Tobias Barry: ''No, thank you-''

Hon. W. Rcbert Blairz tlAl1 those in favor of the adoption of

theamendment signify by saying 'yeas' the opposed 'No'# # .

the amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments?

' Third reading. House Bill 4573.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4573..,

James Y. Carter: ''Mr. Speaker? Mr.' àpeaker?''Hon. W. Robert Blairz ''Yes, sir?''

James Y. Carter: ''May I make an inquiry of the Chairr'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yes: you mayo'' '

James Y. Carter: ONow, this there's a series of bills khich

. were a1l introduced together that was 4557, 4558 and 4559.. !

INow, 4557 has been on the stand, there has not been objec-

tion to it. Now, if there is an objection to -8 and -9,. ' E

. I think the administration, and I don't mean this body, I

think the Executive Department shbould 1et me know what 7.

they're objection is what is, because after all, this is I

the last I've got to take this off of second reading. And ' 1I insist upon that, that if the Governpr can't make up his

' mind wllat 11e wants t6 do , tllen this House can do it . .'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: HHouse Bill 4574...

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65.

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Hcuse Bill 4574. A bill for an act to

to.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Representative Simmons, for what pur-

pose do you risea''

Arthur E. Simmons: ''Did we do anything with 45737''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''It appears that it had been moved

previously and the Speaker had neglected to mark it on the

calendar.''

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 4574. A bill for an act to amend

an aet in relation to administration of assets' fcr Illinois

rural rehobilitation corporation. second reading of the


Hon. Robert Blair: ''Are there amendments from the fioor?

Third reading. House Bill 4533.''


Sletions of the Revenue Act. Seccnd reading of the bill.


b i ''Are there amendments from the floor?Hon. Ro ert Bla r:

A11 right, point of information. The Clerk has informed

me that this bill appears on your calendar under House Bill

second reading: first legislative day, that was an error. i

should be second reading, second fegislative day. Are ther

amendments from the floor? Third reading. House Bill

1701.'1

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 1701. A bill for an act in re-

lation to payment ot statè costs of higher education. sec-

ond reading of the bill. No ccmmittee Dmendments . ''

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Hon. Robert Blair: ''Are there amendments from the floor?

Third reading. House Bill -he's not. House Bill

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 1924. bill for an act relating

to the sale of gasoline. Second reading of the bill. No

committee amendments-''

Hon. W. Robert Blalr: ''Are there amendments from the floor?

Third reading. House Bill 3078. ''

Jack O'Brien: 'tflouse Bill 3078. A bill for an act to amend

secticns of 'The School Code'. second reading of the bill.

No cornittee amendments.''

Hcn. W. Robert Blair: ''Are there amendments frcm the floor?''Jack o'Brien: ''Nnendnlent Number One, Hoffman. Amends

House Bill 3078.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Dupage, Representa-

tive Gene Hoffman.n

Gene L. Hoffman: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, the amendment to Hou'se Bill 3078 simply changes the

reporting date in terms of establishing eost limitations bythe schoolbuilding commission on vote check centers from

April 1,1972 to 1973 and from Jul? 1972 to 1973 to up-date this bill since was introduced Junq of last

year.I move the adoption of Amendment Number One.

''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there any discussion? The gentle-man has offered to move the adqption of Nnendment Number

one to House Bill 3078. A1l those in favor of adopticn

signify by saying 'Yeaé', the opposed 'No% the amendment. x V ' > ,,.. '-.1 ze 3 . - .-n 'e ' ï G E N E lt A L A S S E 51 B L Y. y-. : .. k ,#

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adopted. Are there further amendments? Third reading.

Hpuse Bill 3554..'

Jack O'Brien: HHouse Bill 3554. A bill for an act to in

relation to firearms training for' peace officers. Second

reading of the bill. One committee amendment. Amends

House Bill 3554 on page 1, by deleting line 7 and insert-

ing in lieu thereof the fcllowing: 'or public employment

is vested by 1aw with a primary duty to maintain'; and

qo forth.''

Hon. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Kosinski.''

Rcman J. Kcsinski: HMr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, ah the amendment is my own amendment added

committee to my own bill which deletes the Department of

Law Enforcement as'the acting agency and inserts the Dep' art

ment of the Illinois Local Governmental Law Enforcement

officers Training Board which is geered to have this type

of material. I move the acceptance of the amendment .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there aùy discussi on? The gentle-

man has offered to move the adoption of Amendment Nuneer On

to House Bill 3554. All those in favor of adoption signify

by saying 'Yeas', the opposed 'NOL the umendment is adopt-

ed. Are there further amendments? Third reading . House

Bill 3609...

Jack O'Brién: ''House Bill 3609. A bill for an act to amend

sections of a bill in relation to skate finance. second


!.s& .71:12' > I I;;> .) . -> Ac G E N E It A L A S S E M 11 L Y' tf ' -. . t ' .l i ? ?- )'t, - s'rn'r'z o e ' uutm o 'sh . S >. -.. ' . . . . 1' '* . M o kl IJ i: C) r7 IR EP 1: C SE NT A T I V CS,, < . . sex,'' l

Hon. W. Robert Blair: HAre there any amendments from the

floor? Third reading. House Bi11. .on the order of

second reading, first legislative day there is another

error, House Bill 4506, whieh should be on second reading,

second legislative day. House Bill 4506.1'

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4506. A bill for an act io

amend seetions of 'The Revenue Act'. Second reading of the

bill. No committee amendments- ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendmen#s from the floor? Thirdreading. House Bill 4507.''

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 4507. A bill for an act to umend

sections of 'The Revenue Act'. Second reading the bill.

No ccmmittee amendments-'' jHon. W. Robert Blair: ''Are there amendments from the floor?

Third reading. Hcuse Bill 4508.',


sections of an act relating to the Illinois State Eair.

Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Are there amendments from the floor?n

Jack O'Brien: ''Amendment Number One, Jones.. Amend House Bill

4508 on page 1, by deleting lines 13 and 14 and inserting

in lieu thereof the following: 'a State Fair Burd composed

of the Dean of a State University Cclle e of A riculture an

6 other members, all 7 of whom are appointed'; and on page

line 33, by deleting 'may' and inserting in lieu thereof

'Shall' ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from sangamon, Repres-f'.. A ! t

' ). $ '-'-' 'e G E N E R A L /% S S E M 14 L Yi r. ... . 'ik : N f '%; J ) s'ra-rc o1e I uu1 N o Isî Y, .A't ' ,2$,),/ .n. '

uowsa os a ceacscavnv ' v cs yW .,'$

entative Jones.''

J. David Jcnes: ''Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. This is

an amendment to the state Fair Aplaointing Board and the

original draft said that the Dean of the Department of

Agrieulture at the University of Illinois, and this wouldchange so that it would be the Dean of a State University

college of Agriculture, so that then they could come frcm

anyone of the state universities, and I move its adopticn-''

Hcn. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there any diseussion? The gentle-

man has otfered to move the adoption of Amendment NumberOne to House Bill 4508. All those favor of the adoption

of the amendment signify by saying 'Yeas' the opposed 'No'#and the amendment is adopted . Are there further amendments

Third reading. House Bill 3798.0


sections of 'The Illinois Insurance Code'. Seccnd reading

of the bill. One Committee Amendment. Amend House Bill

3798 on paqe 1 by deleting lines and 2 and inserting inlieu thereof the following: 'AN ACT to require certaininsuranee policies and ccntracts issued by hospital service

corporations to provide coveraqe for charges for blood andits components, and amending certain Acts i

n ccnnectiontherewith.'; and so forth .

Hon. Robert Blair: 'lThe gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Terzich.''

Robert M. Terzich: HMr. Speaker, Members of the Hcuse,

m'ove the adoption of Anlendment Number One, Connittee Amend-. 7-: 7):1'' >',). .

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RIOIRY . ''

Hcn. W. Robert Blairz 'lls there any discussion? The gentle-

man has offered to move the adoption of Amendment Number

One to House Bill 3798. A1l in favor of adoption signify

by saying 'Yeas' the opposed 'No' the amendment is adopt-' #

ed. Are there further amendments? Third reading. House

Bill 4126.''

. Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 4126. A bill for an act to amend

sections of 'The Illinois Pension Code'. Second reading

of the bill. No committee amendments.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Are there amendments frcm the floor?

Third reading. House Bill 4136. .1

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 4136. A bill for an act to prohibi

the employment in this state to aliess who are in the U.S.

illeqally. Second rending of the bill. No committee amendments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blairl ''Any amendments from the floor? Third

reading. House Bill 4156.''

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 4156 . A bill for an act to amend

'The school Code'. Second reading of the bill. No com-

mittee amendments.n

Hon. W. Robert Blair:. ''Are there amèndments from the floor?''

Jack O'Brien: nAmendment Number One, Pierce. Amend House

Bill 4156 on page l by striking line and inserting inlieu thereof the following: 'section 14- 7.02. If beeause

of 1zi s ha ndicap tl4e spec i'.al edue ation progr-am- o f a distrie.'j-is unable to meet the needs of a child and the chi 1c.1 zt ttend ; ' '.

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tive Pierce.''

Daniel M. Pierce: ''Ah, Mr. Speaker, Amendment Number One is

to tighten up the bill a bit to make sure the schocl dis-

trict will use the bill to circumvent the mandatory private

ineâtution responsibility that it has and make sure that

this school not used by public schools, to shirk its

responsibilities. The only time school district will be

able to pay for the special education of schools under this

bill is when because of the nature of the child's handicap ,

pubkic schools aren't able tc meet the child's need. This

will help the bill and I'd move for the adoption of the

Amendment Number One as suggested by the Illinois Associa-

tion for the Retarded.''


man has offered to mcve the a'doption of Amendment Number

One to House Bill 4156. Al1 those in favor of adoptkon of

the amendment signify by saying 'Yeas', the opposed 'No'


further amendments? Third reading. House Bill 4212...


sections of 'The Illinois Governmental Ethics Aet' second

reading of the bill. No committee aluendments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Are there amendments from the floor?

Third reading. House Bill 4240.''


amend sections and 6 of an act to prcvide for the law in-.. - . .

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relation to marriages. second reading of the bill. No


Hon. W. Robert Bluir: ''Are there amendments frcm the floor?

Third reading. House Bill 424G.''

Jack O'Brien: nHouse Bill 4246. A bill for an act to add

sections to the 'Township Zbning Act'. second reading of


Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Are there amendments from the floor?

Third reading. House Bill 4271.'.

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 4271. A bill for an act to dmend

sections of 'Thç Illinois Pension Codel. Second reading of

the bill. No ccmmittee amendments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Arzy amendments from the floor? Third

reading. House Bill 4285..'

Jack O'Brien: ''House. Bill 4285. A bi.ll for an act to amehd

sections of an act in relation to the compensation of thç

sheriffs and county officers. Seccnd reading of the bill.

No committee amendments. One committee omendment. Amends

House Bill 4285 on page 1, line 28, by striking .' 11,500.00

and inserting in lieu thereof the following: '$8,500.00'7

and so forth.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from St. Clair. Repres-

entative Krause.''

James G. Krause: .'Mr. Speaker, all tlais amendment does is to

put the'minimum salaries back to where they were and I'd

move f or the adoption of tlle amendment ''

Hon. W. Roberu Blair: ''Is there discussion? The gentleman ha

? : . -'-. . G p: N E It A la A S S E M 8 L, Y@ k)- -. ., t; . k 4. > , svwvs. o s 1 uul x o1s! î ' .g. y$ * ' ? V ' 'u ../ ' H o t.l :7 E: o P' Fp C P 1: r2 :5 if N 7* % 'r 1 W LQ :;#r.l'z:lzGlNW

offered to move the adoption of CoMnittee Amendment Number

One to House Bill 4285. Al1 those in favor signify by'

' ' the opposed 'uo' khe amendment is adopted.saying veas , ,

Are there further amendments? Third reading. House Bill

ah on the order of House Bills second reading, first legis-

lative day appears more bills that belong on second legis-

lative day. House Bill 4311,.'

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 4311. A bill for an act to umend

section cf 'The Retail Occupational Tax Act'. Second read-

ing of the bill. No ccmmittee amendments.''


Jaek O'Brien: ''Amendment Number One, Schliekman. Amend House

Bill 4311 on page 1, by deleting lines 1 and 2 and insevt-

ing in lieu thereof the following: and so forth .''


tive schlickman.''

Eugene F. Schlickman: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen

of the House. House Bill 4311 amends the Retailers Occupa-

tional Tax by exempting drugs and medicines. House Bill

4312 amends the Use Tax by doing the same thing. In com-

mittee, it was pointed out to me that we should have also

amended the Service Occupaticnal'Tax Act in concurrence

with the Use Tax Act. By Amendment Number One we amend

4311 by incorpordting in it House Bill 4312 and the amend-

ment to the Service Occupational Tax Act and the Service

Use Tax, thereby accomplishing the original objective.

move, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, for the adop-

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tion of Amendment Number One to House Bi 11 4311. ''


man has offered to move the adoption of Amendment One to

House Bill 4311. Al1 favor of khe adoption of the amend'ment signify by saying 'Yeas' the opposed 'No' the amend-t

'

'

ment is adopted. Are there further amendments? Third

reading. House Bill .Representative sehlickman, for

h t urpose' do you rise, sira''w a p

Eugene F. Schlickman: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen

of the House, by Amendment Number One to House Bill 4311,

we corporated into it the contents of House Bill 4312. I

therefore, Mr. Speaker and Lpdies and Gentlemen of the Hous #

would move at this time that House Bill 4312 be.tabled.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''A11' right, does the gentleman have

leave to table House Bill 4312? Hearing no objection, thebill will be tabled. Ah, on 'the order of seccnd reading,

first legislative day also appears House Bill 4279,

Representafive Jones on the floor? I don't see him , take

it out of the record. House Bill 4372.''

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 4372. A bill for an act tc'amend

sections of 'The School Code'. Second reading of the bill.

One Committee Amendment'. Amend House Bill 4372 by deletiv

lines 14 through 35 on page 4 and lines 1 through 24 on

page 5 and inserting in lieu thereof the following: and

so forth-''

Hon . W . Robert Blair : '' The gentleman f rom Cook , Representa -

tive Bill Waq.sh . ''

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Willium D. Walsh: ''Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Com-

mittee Amendment Number'one to House Bill 4372 corrects

some technical errors to this bill and informs the rates

to other bills that have been offered on this subject and

I move the adoption of Committee Amendment Number One . ''

Hon . W. Robert Blair : '' Is there further discussion? The gen-

tleman ha s of f ered to move the adoption of Amencknent Number

One to House Bill 4372 . Al1 those in f avor of adoption

ignify by saying ' Yeas ' the opp' osed ' No ' the ' Yeas ' have# . ,

it and the amendment is adopted . Are there further amend-

ments ? Third rçading . House Bill 4328 . '.

Jack O ' Brien: ''House Bill 4328 . A bill for an act to amend

sections of ' The School Code ' . Second reading of the bill .


Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments. from the floor? Third

readinq. House Bill 4330.''



No colnmittee amendments-''

Hon. W. Robert Blairz ''Are there any amendments from the

flcor? Third reading. Hcuse Bifl 4206..'

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 4206. A bill fcr .an act to amend

section 25 of 'The Environmental Protection Act' second

reading of the bill. No committee amendmentso''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Are there ameniments from the floor?


Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 1339. A bill for an act to in re-

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Iation to the disclosure Of Stote and 1OCa1 public records

a authorizinq a penalty for the vs.olation thereof. sec-an

ond repding the bill. Two Copnlittee Amendment. Amend-

ment Number one. Amend House Bill 1339 on page line 26,

inserting immediately before the word 'or' the following:

'biographical, personal, family history'.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Burditt.''

George M. Burditt: HAh Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen#

of khe House, khis amendment is fer the purpose of exempt-

ing personal records which really should not be disclosed,

under the Freedom Information Act. I move for the adoption

of the ameninent.''

Hon. w. Robert Blair: ''Is there anv discussion? The qentle-

man has offered to move the adoption of Amendment' Numbek

One to Hcuse Bill 1339. Al1 in favor signify by saying

'Yeas' the opposed 'No' the amendment is adopted. Are; #

there fùrther amendments?''

Georqe M. Burditt: ''Yes, Mr. Speaker.''

Jack O'Brien: ''Amendment Number Two. Amends House Bill 1339

on page by striking lines 10, ond 12 and inserting in

lieu thereof the follcwing: 'Section 2.1. 'State agency'

means all offices, officers, de artments divisions, bureau-c

boards, and co=nissions of the Executive Branch of the

state Yovernment including but not limited to all departmen sestablished by the ' Civil Administrative Code of Ill.inois '

as heretofore or hereafter amended.'n

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77


tive Burditt.'.

George M. Burditt: ''Ah, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, this amendment was alsc discussed in committee.

The purpose of it is to make a more specific definiticn of

who is meant under the definition of state agency. IE is

to clarify the definition of state agency and I move adop-

tion of the amendment.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nIs there anM discussion? The gentle-

has offered to move the adoption of Amendm'ent Numberman

Two to House Bill 1339. A1l those in favor of adoption of

the amendment signify by saying 'Yeas' the opposed 'No'

the amendment pdopted. Are there further amenelents?


Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 4132. A bill for an act to add

sections to an act requiring a1l owners of high rise apart-' ment buildings to post appropriate instructions in relation

to firei. Second reading cf the bill. One coKmhittee amend

ment. Amend House Bill 4132 on page 1, by striking lines

24 and 25 and inserting in lieu thereof .the following:

'equipment for the operation of its passenger elevators for

use when electrical power is cut off to the building or

when the electrical power within the building fails to oper

ate. The type of installation of such'.''

Hon. W. Robert Bleir: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Merlo.''

John Merlo : '' Mr . Speaker, the amendment makes elea r the main

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objective the bill and I move its adoption.''


man has offered' to move the adoption cf Amene lent Number On

to House Bill 4132. Al1 in fvvor of adcpticn signify by

saying 'Yeas' the opposed 'No' the amendment is adopted.' #

Are there further amendments? Third reading. House Bill

4184.'1

Jack O'Brien: 'nHouse Bill 4184. A bill for an act to amend



Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Are there amendments from the floor?

Third reading. House Bill 1719.',

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 1719. A bill for an act to pmend



Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Are thefe ampndments from the floor?

Third reading. House Bill. .all right, we'll dro/ downto House Bills, this is the last time on second reading,

right in order. If you don't want them called now, we/

might not be back. 559. The gentleman is not hereh take

out of tlae <ecord. 1452.,'

' ien: ''House Bill 1452. A Yill for an act to amendJack O Br .

'The Illinois Insurance Code'. Secônd reading of the bill.


Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor? Thirdl .readinq. 1589. Take out of the record. 2415.',


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'The Election Code'. Second readting of the bill. One com-

mittee amendment. Amendment Number One. Amends House Bill

2415 on page 1 by deleting line 32 and inserting in lieu

thereof the following: and so forth.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Take it out, take it out of the record

2890. Not there, take it out of the record. 3546.'.

ZZCX OfBrion: S4OUSC Zili 3546. A bill for an act to amend

SOCYYOnS Of ''The Revenue Act'. Second reading Of the bill.

One CODmiYYOQ Amendmont. Amends I'IOuSe Bill 3546 on page l

by deleting.

Hcn. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Lee: Mr. Shapiro.n

David C. shapiro: ''Take it out.''

Hon. T#. Robert Blair: ''Take it out of the record, okay.

3747.'.

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 3747. A biil fcr an act to amepd'The Illinois Vehicle Code'.' Second reading of the bill.



Jack O'Brien: ''Amendment Number One, Barnes. Amends House

Bill 3747 on page by deleting lines 29 and 30 and insert

ing in lieu thqreof the followinq: 'Section 2. This amend

atory Act takes effect 'lanuary 1, 1973.','

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Ccok, Mr. Barnes.n

Eugene M. Barnes: 'lMr. Speaker: Meneers of the House. Amend-

ment Number One simply updates the efcective date of the

bill and changing it' f rom January of ' 72 to JanuD ry of ' 73

I mcvo the adoption of Amendment Number One.''

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Hon. bq. Râbert Blpir: ''Is there discussion? A1l those in

favor of the adoption cf the amendment say 'Yeas', the op-' posed 'NO'. the 'Yeas' have i: ond the amendment is adopted

Further emendments? Third reading . 30-, 3793...

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 3793. A bill Eor an act to amend

'The Public Aid Code'. Second reading of the bill. One

Committee Amendment. Amends House Bill on page - '

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook , Mr. Shea.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Mr. Speaker, the ccmmiitee amendment removes

some of the objections that the Department of .public Aid

had. Director Weaver was there. such an amendment remcves

his objection. He had one other thought that he might want

to put in the bill. He has not contacted me yet, so 'thère-

fore, I would move far the adoption of Committee Amendment

Number One.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? Al1 those' in favor of the

adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas', the cpposed 'No' the

'Yeas' have it and the amendment is adopted. Are there

further amendments? Third reading. There are scme House

Bills on seccnd reading, first legislative day thpt are on

second reading. They were .inadvertently left on first

legislptive day by the printer's office, so wedll work on

that. 4279.''


'The Revenue Act'. Second reading of the bill. No eom-



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reading. 2630...

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 2630. A bill for an act to amepd

'The Illinozs Income Tax Act'. Second reading of the bill.

No committee amendments.n


Jack O'Brien: ''Amendment Number One, Hall. Amends Housé Bill

2630 cn page 3, line 6, by ddleting '1971%

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentlemttn from McLean, Mr. Hall.''

Harber H. Hal1: ''Ah Mr. Speaker and Ladies mad Gentlemen of#

the House, this amendment reduces the financiàl impact on

the Department of Revenue by elirâinating the roll back

feature and the roll forward feature of tax credit for our

pollution devices. It alsc changes the year from 1971 to

k it 1972 to become effective this year. And I ask forma e

adoption ot the amendment.'.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nIs there discussion? A11 those in

favor .a11 those in favor of the adcption of the amend-

ment say 'Yeas' the opposed .No' the lyeas' have it and# #

the amendment is adcpted. Are there further amendments?

Third reading. 4075.'1

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 4075. A bill for an act amend

tThe Environmental Protection Agency'. Second reading of

the bill. One committee amendments. Amend House Bill 4075

on page by striking lines 26 through 28 and inserting

in lieu thereof the following: '(d) each state agency or

institution shall include in every reconm endation ori. ''

Hon . W . M bert B1a ir : 'iThe gentlemalA f rom Cook , Mr . Katz . ''

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Harold A. Katz: ''Ah; this is a series of three amendments

recommended by the House Environment Committee to a genqral

bill that sets up on the state level the same thing that we

have on the federal level which is Environmental Impact and

study to the accompany the major state objection. These

are three committee emendments. The first amendment pro-

vides that the statements that ere filed with the federal

agency would be adequate to satisfy the needs of the state

agency and would avoid duplicatiqn. And I would urge adop-

tion of Copmtittee Amendment Number One.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there discussion? Al1 those in

favor of the adoption of the emendment say 'Yeas' the op-

posed 'No' the 'Yeas' have it and the amendment is adopted# .

Are there further amendments?''

Jack O'Brien: nFloor Amendment Number Teo, Katz. Amends

House Bill 4075 on page 2, line 9, by striking '.' and in-

serting in lieu thereof: '; provided, however, that an

environmental impact statement which has been drawn for the

same proposal for legislation or fcr expenditure of funds

under the National Environmental Pclicv Act, Public Law

91-190, Sec. 1075: 42 U.S.C. Sec. 4332 (1970) as now or

hereafter emended, shall be sufficient for the purposes of

this Subsection (d).'n

Harold Katz: ''Amen&nent Number Two also makes clear that

statement filed with the federal governmqnt may be filed

with the state governmont. I would move for the adoption

of Amendment Number Tw0.''

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Hon. W . Robert Blair: nDiscussion? All those in favor of the

adoptbn of the amendment say the opposed 'No% the

'Yeas' have it and the amendment pdopted. Are there

further amendments?''

Jack O'Brien: ''Amendment Number Three, Katz. Amends House

Bill 4075 on page lines 17 and 18, by striking 'Environ-

mental Protection Agency' and inserting lieu thereof:

'Institute for Environmental Quality'.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman from Cook, Mr. Katzo''

Harold A. Katz: ''Ah Amenetent Number Three also by the re-#

commendation of the committee thë't instead the report

being file; with the Knvironmental Protection Agency, they

be filed with the Tnstitute for Environmental Quality. And

I move the adoption of Amendment Number Three.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nDiscussion? A1l those in favor of the

adoption of the amendment say 'Yeasl the opposed 'No' the# #

'Yeas' have and the amendment adopted. Further amend

ments?''

Jack O'Brien: nAmendment Number Four, Katz. Amends House Bi1

4075 on page 1 by striking lines 29 and inserting in lieu

thereof: and so forth.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman' from Cook, Mr. Katz.''

Harold A. Katz: ''Ah, Committee Ameninent this amendment is in

accordance with khe desire of the commitkee which also car-

ries out the general purpose to have reports filed with the

federal agency be applicbble to state as well. move adop

tion of Amenckaent Number Four.''

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Hon. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? Al1 those favor of the

adoption of the amendment say 'veas', the opposed No . the

'Yeas' have it >nd the aéendment is adopted. Further amend

ments? Third reading. 4110...

Jack O'Brien: nHouse Bill 4110. A bill for an act to amend

sections of 'The Criminal Code of 1961% Second reading of

the bill. No committee amendments.n

éon. W. Robert blair: ''Any amendments from the floor? Third

reading. 4111.''

Jack O'Bri& : ''House Bill 4111. A bill for en act to relat-

ing to the ccnducting of raffles pnd chances by certain

non-profit organizations, and requiring the licensing and

subscribing regulations therefore. seccnd reading of the

bill. One Committee Nmendment. Nnend House Bill 4111 on

page 1, Section 1, at the end of line 8, by adding the word

'a'; and again on page Sedtion 1, line 9, immediately

following the word 'detennination', @nd adding the w'ords 'b

the Department'; and so forth.n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: HThe gentleman from Cook, Mr. Telcser.''

Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is this my amendment? Mr. Speaker, Ladie

and Gentlemen of the House, ah.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''This the Committee Amendment.''

Arthur A. Telcser: ''Fary.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Oh al1 right, the gentleman frcm

Cook, Mr . Fary . ''

éh G F'ary : ''The purpose of Conunittee Amendment Number OneJ n .

to strengthen the enfcrcements of the administrative future

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of the bill as was done last case of th? bilt

enacting the binqo license and tax act. It was drawn up

at the request bf Willard Ice. Regulations and Hearings

Division. I move for its adoption.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? A11 those favor of the

adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas' the opposed 'Nc' the

'Yeas' have and the amendment is adopted . Further amend

ments? Third reading. Oh, further amendmentsa'.

Jack O'Brien: ''Amendment Number Two, Telcser. Amends House

Bill 4111. as amended, by striking '5% of the net' frcm

Section 4 and insertin/ in rlieu thereof.the following:120% of the gross'.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gen tleman from Cook, Mr. Telcser.t.

Arthur A. Telcser: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen

the House. ah itseems to me that if Illinois going to.

in some future date or in the' irmlediate future adopt a

lottery type of bill so as to achieve and receive more

revenue to 'the levels of state government of giving educa-

tion a greater share of the amount of dollars that we can

generate, we should try to maximize that ah amount df re-

venue which will be obtained through a lottery. therefor

offer Amendment Number Two to House Bill 4111 to provide

that the state would get for the pufposes cf designed in

the pieee legislaticn, 2O% cf the gross on this type of

lottery game as opposed to 5% of the net' which is currently

' in the bill. I now move its adoption of Amendment Number

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Hon. W. Robext Blair: ''Discussion? Al1 those favor of. .

the gentleman from Cookf Mr. Fary.''John G. Fary: ''I would like to ask the gentleman .a questicn-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Proceed.''

John G. Fary: this ah amendment requested by the Governor 'f

Arthur A. Telcser: ''No, it is not, Representative Fary, this

amendment was worked out by myself.''

John G. Fary: ''You're a wonderful man.n

Hon.. W. Robert Blair: ''Further discussion? A1l al1 thcse in

favor of the adoption the amendment say 'Yeas' the op-#

posed 'No' the 'Yeas' have it and the amendment is adopted# .

All those in favor of the adoption of the amendment say

'Yeas' the opposed 'No' the 'Yeas' have it and the amend-

ment is adopted. Further amendments? Third reading.

4349..'

Jack O'Brien: ''Hquse Bill 4349. bill for an act to provide

for the filling of vacancies in the Circuit, Appellate and

Supreme'courts. Second reading of the bill. No committee

amendments.''

Hcn. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor?''

Jack O'Brien: ''Amendment Number One, Shea. Amends House Bill

4349 on page 1, line 2, by inserting after and so fcrth.''

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: nThe gentleman from Ccok, Mr. Shea.''

Gerald W. shea: ''Ah, Mr. Speaker, thi's bill I requested a

fiscal ilote and the information that came back on it was

that it would *oke E number of dollars to do the job. Ah,Representz tive Gla ss and I ta lked this morning and he lzad

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some different figures and I assume he is going to offer

anotier amendment and so that in lieu of that just have

to take my amendment out of the record, and I will support

his.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''All right, ah, let's just take it ccm-

pletely out of the record and ah wedll number this as amend

ment number one.''

Jack O'Brien: HAmendment Number One, Glass. Amend House Bill

4349 on page line 2, by inserting after 'courts' the

following: 'and to make appropriations in connection there

with. and on page 4, by inserting after line 22 the fol-

lowing: and so forth.n

Hon. W. Robert Blairt ''Ah, the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Gloss 1'

Bradley M. Glass: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the

House. Ah, Amendment Number One responds to the amount'

requested or the amount indieated in the fiscal note from'

the Administrative Office of the Illinois Court and ah

believe.is the correct amount. I'd move for the adoption

of Amendment Number ûne.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: HDiscussion? A1l those in favor of

the adoption of the amendment sa# 'Yeas' the opposed 'No.


further amendments? The gentleman from Cock, Mr. Shea.n

Gerald W. Shea: '.Mr. Speaier, enlight of the fact that this

bill has now been amended to include an appropriation, will

the Speaker now re-refer the bill to Appropriations com-

mittee?'.

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: 'tYes, that's the bill now has an appro-

priation on the bill and ah consistently with the ruling

that the Chair has made in the past, this bill now will be

taken from the order of second reading and referred, re-

referred to the House Appropriations Committee for con-

sideration.''

Gerald Shea: ''Thank you.'''Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Okay. 4355..'


Section 8 of 'The Workmen's Compensation Act'. Second read

ing of the bill. No committee amendments.''

Hcn. W . Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor? Third

reading. 4356.,.

Jack O'Brieù: ''House Bill 4356. A bil; for an act to amend

sections of 'The Workmen's Occupational Disease Act'. Sec-

ond reading of the bill. No committee amendments.n

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''Any amendments frcm the floor? Third

reading. 40-, a1l right, 4366.''


sections to 'The School Code'. Second reading of the bill.


Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendmen'ts from the floor?''

Jack O'Brien: nAmendment Number Oney Pierce. Amend House Bil

4366 on page 1, line 15, by striking the figure '$2,000.00.. '

and inserting in lieu thereof the figure '$1,400.00...1

Htan . W . Robert Blair : '' The' gentz.eman f rom Lake , Pierce . ''

Daniel Pierce : ''A1z Mr . Speaker p Amendment Number One make#

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clear the fact that the state reimbursement will.only be

$1,400.00 under this biil rather than $2,OOO.O0.because

local schcol districts are required to pay the first $600.0

towards the education of these handicapped children. And I

move the adoption of Amendment Number One.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nDiscussion? All those in favor of

the adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas' me opposed 'No'

the 'Yeas' have it and the amene lent is adopted. Further

amendments? Third reading. 4386. The gentleman from

Cook, Mr. Simmons.''

Arthur E. Simmons: ''Are we still on 4366?'1

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nOn 43-, what?'.

Arthur E. Simmons: ''4366.1.

Hon. Robert Blair: ''4366. No, it was moved to third.''

Arthur E. Simmons: ''I wanted to ask a questionof the spon'sor.'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Wel1, back on the back, on the amend-

ment? Well, all right, a little out of order, but, the

gentleman from Lake, Mr. Pierce, Mr. Simmons had a question

a technical question on that amendment that we adopted-''

Arthur E. Simmons: ''On that amendment we just adopted,

thought it affected only line 15, but a little farther down

in the bill you change it to $1,400.00 less any amount

offered by the state, which would be $600.00 off the

$1,400.00, unless I didn't hear of the ameninent read.''

Daniel M. Pierce: ''Ah. the amene lerlt reduces the maximum

reimbursement from the state from $2,000.00 to $1,400.00

because the local school distric*s will pay the first $600. 0...

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Arthur E. Silctons: HWe11, then I read the next sentence of

the bi11.''

Daniel M. Pierce: ''Per capita, the cost ef the actual expen-

ditures minus state reimbursement, so if the state reimbur-

sements is $1,400.00.

Arthur E. Simmons: ''so, if the state reimbursements is

$1.400.00 and you subtract $600.00, you only have $800.00..1

Daniel M. Pierce: nWell, that's less state reimbursements

under that other section, which is the section where the

state pays $5,000.00 for each teacher.''

Arthur E. simmons: ''I don't think it's inccnsistent. 1.11,

Daniel Piarce: nAre you satisfied with them?''

Arthur Simmons: ''I'm satisfied with you .the school

code . . ''

Daniel M. Pierce: nl haven 't go't n)y school code here, 1.11

review my school code.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''All right, 4.386.''


sections of an act to create sanitaxy districts. sbc'ond

reading of the .bill. No committee amendments-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Ahy amendments from the floor?''

Jack O'Brien: ''Amendment Number One, Lechowicz. Amends House

Bill 4386 on page 1, line 2O, by striking .$12,000,000. and

inserting in lieu thereof: '$8,000,0Oô.00'..'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Lechowicz .'

Thaddeus S. Leehowicz: ''Thank you, Mr. spoaker, that amend-

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ment is offered by Representative Lechowicz, nct Represent-

ative Shea. And the reason for the amendment is that upon

renewal of the total engineering costs, there was a reeval-

uation as part of the additional bond money that was simply

required, anc there was a simple reduction of $l2 million

to $8 million and I'd move the adoption of Amendment Number

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the'adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas' the opposed 'No'

the 'Yeas' have it and the amendment is adoptëd. Further

amendments? Third reading. 4403.''

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 4403. A bill for an act to in

relation to the deposit of funds for the eounty treasurer.

Second revding of the bill. One Committee Amendment.

Amend House Bill 4403 on page 1, by inserting between

lines 18 and 19 the following: 'This amendatory Act of

1972 does not apply to any county which is a home rule unit ;

and on page 1, after line 34, by inserting the following:

'This amendatory Act ef 1972 does not apply to any county

which is a home rule unit.'''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Katz.''

Harold A. Katz: ''No.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea-''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Mr. speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, this bill the proposed amendment was a committee

amendment. This follows closely with what Representative

Hyde wants to do with funds, what I want to do with public

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fands and since neither one of our bills deal with any ex-

clusion of home rule units, ah, I've discussed this with

Representative Katz and other members and I can see no

reason why Representative Katz bill should be excluded from

home rule units. Therefore, I would move for the tabling

of Committee Nuendment Number One.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A11 right, the gentleman from Cook,

Mr. Hyde.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''Wi1l the gentleman yield to a questiona''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates he wi11.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''Have you cleared this with Lee Sehwartza''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Yes.''

Hcn. W. Robert Blair: ''A11 right, the gentleman offers to

and moves the adopticn of Committee Amendment Number One:

move to table. Does the gentleman have leave? A1l right,

now that amendment is tabled.' Arç there further amendments '''

Jack O'Brien: ''Amendment Number Two, Katz. Amends Hoùse Bill

4403 on page 1, by deleting lines 16 through 18 and insert-

ing in lieu thereof the followingz 'fund of the county.';

and by deleting lines 32 through 34 and inserting in lieu

thereof 'county'.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentlema'n from Cock, Mr. S14ea.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Mr- Speaker, I'd movê for the adoption of

Amendment Number Two-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? Al1 those in favor of

the adopLion of the a'mendment say 'Yeas', the opposed 'No',

the 'Yeas' have it and the 'amendment is adopted. Are

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there further amendments? Third reading. The gentleman

from Cook, Mr. Burditt, for what purpose do you rise, sj.r?''

George Burdittr Speaker, may I have leave of the

House to withdraw to as Chief Spcnsor to Senate Bill 81.

Representative Lindberg has volunteered to be Chief Sponsor ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Al1 right, does the gentleman have

leave? Al1 right. Burditt off and Lindberg on. 4491..'

Jack O'Brien: '''House Bill 4491. A bill for an act to require

state agencies to pay fees for services rendered for them

by county recorders and registrars of title and to amend

ce/tain acts in çonnection therewith. Second reading of '

the bill. One Committee Amendment. Amends House Bill

4491 on page 9, by inserting after line the following:

'section 9. This amendatory Act of 1972 shall take effect

July 1 1974.''.&

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Macon, Mr. Alsup.''

John W. Alsup: ''I move the adoption of the Committee Amend-

mc IRC * ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: HDiscussion? Al1 thcse in favor of

the adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas' the opposed 'No'

the 'Yeasl have it and the amendment is adopted. Are there

further amendments? Third readihg. 4525.''

Jack O'Brien: HHouse Bill 4525. A bill for an act to amend

sections of 'The Unemplornent Compensation Act'. Second


Hon. W. Robert Blair: nAny amendments frcm the floor? Third

readinq. 4531...

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94.


sections of 'The Election Code'. Second reading of the


Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the flcor?''

Jack O'Brien: ''Amendment Number One, Choate. Amends House

Bill 4531 on page 1, by deleting lines 1 through 5 and in-

serting lieu thereof the fcllowing: 'An Act to con-

solidate election dates by amending.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentlemqn from Union, Mr. Choate.''

Clyde L. Choate: ''We1l, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, this is the amendment that we discussed in com-

mittee, typcgraphical errors and technical errors that

was made in the drafting of the bill by the Reference Burea

is being corrected. It also makes the effective date of

the bill January which will mean that it has no effect on

the upcoming election. I would suggest, Mr. Speaker, that

we adopt Amendment Number One tc House Bill 4531.1,


the adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas' the opposed 'No'

the 'Yeasl have it and the amendment is .adopted. Further

amendmentsa''

Jack O'Brien: ''House Amendment Number Two, P. W. Collins.

Amends House Bill 4531, as amended, in Section 5-1 by

inserting the following between lines 29 and 3O: 'section

5-1. Except as hereinafter.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook , Mr. Phil

Colls.ns.''

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95.

Philip W. Collins: ''Ah. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House. Amendment Number %%o merely strikes some sup-

erf'laous language. I have talked to the Mincrity Leader

about the amendment and we have agreed on its adoption. I

would move the adoption of Amendment Number r40.'1

u 11 those inHon. W. Robert Blair: Discussion? All right, a

favor of the adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas', the op-

posed 'No' the 'Yeas' have it and the amendment is adopted#

Further amendments? Third reading. The gentleman from

Cook, Mr. Phil Collins-''

Philip W. Collins: ''Ah Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of#

the House, may I take this opportunity to introduce a group

.) t'of students from Representative Maragos and my distz c .

In the gallery are the students and pothers of St. Francis

.Dem .lœ , lead by Sister Bernadine and Chuck Katong and I

would like them to stand so we could give them a round of

applause.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''4542.'1

Jack O'Brien: ''Hcuse Bill 4542. A bill for an act to amend

sections of 'The Election Code'. Second reading of the

bill. No committee amendmehts.''

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: l'Any amendmehts from the floor? Third

reading. 4546.''

Jaek O'Brien: ''Hcuse Bill 4546. A bill for an act to add

sections to the 'Unelnplosc ent Compensation Act' second

reading of the bill. No' conmittee amendments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Aree thero, Mr. Katz, do you have an

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amendment? ''

Ha rold A . Katz : ''Yes , do . ''

Hon. w. Robert Biair: nA11 right, b/ing it up. Is it here?

Okay.''

Harold Katz: ''If they don't have it you can take out

of the record, and 1'11 dig up thb amendment. But it.was

sent up, think.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Thank ycu.''

Harold A. Katz: '.l do have another copy of the amendment

can easily make additional copies if you'd like sir. You

can take it out of the record if they don't have it.''

Jack O'Brien: ''Amendment. Number One, Katz. Amend House Bill

4546 on page 1, in line 2 and in line 6, by deleting '220

and 302' and inserting in lieu thereof '220, 3O2 and 612%

and sc forth.''

HOn.W. Rcbert Blair: ,'fThe gentleman from Cook, Mr. Katz.''

Harold A. Katz: HAh, Mr. Speaker, this is a general bill to

provide-unemployment compensation benefits for teachers,

academic employees who are normally from public schools .

This bill makes this amendment makes clear that the pro-

visions of any form of compensation would not be applicablo

during the summer recess, but only during the regular sehoo

year. I would move the adoption of Amendment Number One.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Harold, how do they fund this? Do the

schools then required to' pay into the unemployment compen-

sation funda''

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Harold A. Katz: ù'Yes, they would have to pay the amount of

money that the fund has pa'id out in benefits to 1ay off'

itteachers. Incident ally, it covers more than teachers,

alsc covers school employees, but there is an amendment in

preparation for substitute teachers that will be included. ''

Gerald W. Shea: ''We11, how. my my question I guess would' be

when does this become effective then?''

Harold A. Katz: nThe bill itself would provide for it to be-

come effective, T believe, in 1972 after 1972 so that the

language after 1972 would cover the years 1973' and there-

after, so that would be effective in 1973 and thereafter.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Do you have any idea what it uould cost say

an average school district?''

Harold Katz: ''Wel1, it wovld not cost the averaqe school

district anything unless it actually laid off the teachers

or aeodemic personnel to due to lack of work. Ordinarily,

there is not a turn over in school districts. They remain

relatively eonstant. However, if the school district in

fact did crack and lay off a person during the regular

academic year, they would have to pay the actual benefits#

'

but in a stable situation, there would be no benefits pay-

able.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Thank you .''

Harold A. Katz: ''You're welcome.n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Furtber discussion? Ah . the question

is shall t14e House adopt 'the amon&nent? All those favorsignify by saying 'Yeas' the opposed 'No' the 'Yeas' h

ave

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and the amendment is adopted. Further amendments? Thir 1

reading. 4558.'1

JDCX O'Brien: OHOuse Bill 4558. A bilf for an act to amend

'The Civil Administrative Code'. second reading of the

bill. one Committee Amendment. Amend House Bill 4558 on

page 5, line 2O, by striking the word 'private' and insert-

ing in lieu thereof 'private'.''

éon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. J. Y.

Carter.''

James Y. Carter: ''Ah Mr. Speaker, in explaining this par-#

ticular amendment, I would like first to phrase in this

respect. You really put me in a very compromislng position

One thing, I had to apologize to you because I made a mis-

take yesterday. You greatly improved my attendance here

by making me stay here waiting for you to call this bill,

but the same: tco, you donlt'know anything about this pos-

ition. Now, the amendment.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Please.''

James Y. Carter: ''Ah, the amendment itself deletes the word

'private' and what it does is to elarify the word further

back to include a1l types of charities, b0th private and

public alone. and evidencing whai may be transferred to a

transit distriet to use as a sub caâh equivalent. And I

urge the adoption of the Committee Amendment Number One.''

Hon. W . Robert Blpir: ''Discussion? A11 those in favor of

the motion to adopt iignify by saying 'Yeas', the opposed

'NO', the 'Yeas' have and the amendment adopted.

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Are there further amendmenLs? Third reading. 4559.,'

Jack o'Brien: ''House Bill 4559. bill for an act amend

'The Civil Administrative Code'. Second reading of the


Hon. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? Any amendments from the

floor? Third reading. 4567.'.

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4567. A bill for an act in

relation tc strike breakers. Second reading of the bill.


Hon. W. Robert Blair: nAny amendments from the floor? Third

reading. 4586...

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4586. bill for an act in

relation to depositing certain funds with the county

treasurer. Second reading of the bill. One committee

amendment. Amend House Bill 4586

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman frcm Cook, Mr. Katz.''

Harold A. Katz: NAh, Mr. Speaker, will move to table House

Bill 4586 since we've plready advaneed 4403 which does the:i ah same thing.n

Hon. Robert Blair: ''A11 right, does the gentleman have

leave to table 4586? Now, the gentleman from cook, Mr.

Katz for what purpose do you ris'e, sir?''

Harold A. Katz: ''Ah I had another one to table when you

f inislled tabling that one . ''

Hon . Robert Blair : ''Go aheed . ''

Haro ld A . Katz : '' I would a' lso move table House Joint Re-

so lutïon 58 o f which I am the Chie f Sponso r . ''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Does the gentleman have leave ? All

right, table that bill. For what purpose does the gentle-

man from Cook, Mr. Palmer, rise?''

Romie Palmer: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, it is

with great pleasure that I introduce tc the members of the

House one of the best musical orqanizations in this State

the Dwight D. Eisenhower Band and Orchestra in the red

jackets sitting in the balccny and Mr. Bartucci, their band

master, and Mr. Holmes, the concert master, and also the

numbers of chaperones who came down with them. The music

that you heard in the rotunda tcday was by ihe Dwight D.

Eisenhoweu in additionewhich is now on tour, so I would

like to extend, for us to extend a friendly good heaàty

welcome.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Well we're pleased to have a member#

'

of thab organization with us here on the podium with me

and at this time I would like to introduce Stephen March

who has. just been elected the Youth Governor of the Y.M.C.ASteve, do you want to say a word.''

Stephen March: ''Thank you very much. On behalf of Dwight D.

Eisenhower High School and its ccncert band and orchestra

which are here today and Disurict High School District 218

and myself, I'd like to extend highly greetings to you and

the representatives who are present here and thank you

very much for givinq us the opportunity to be here and to

play f or you in the rotunda . Thank you very much . ''

I.Ion.W. Robert Blair: ''For what purpose does the gentleman from

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Cook, Mr. Arrigo, rise?''

Victor A. Arrigo: ''Mr. Speaker, while we have the Dwight

Eisenhower band here, I would like to acknowledge the faet

that for many years, the Dwight Eisenhower band has been

one of the leading bands to march in the Founder's Day

Paraae in Chicago. And we are indeed proud of their par-

ticipation.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''4590..'

Fredric B. selcke: ''House Bill 459Q. A bill for an act to

l te the disclosure and infot%ation conce/ning fire-regu a

arm registrants. second reading of the'bill. No co=nittee

amendments.''


reading. 4591.''


create policy with respect to environmental quality and re-

quire a11 state actions to be proceeded with full knowledge

of environmental impact and to minimize environmental harm

and to optimize environmental quality. Second reading of


Hon. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor?''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment Number One, Meyer. Amends

House Bill 4591 on page 4, line 5 by inserting immediately

after the word 'actions' the following: and so forth.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Meyer.''

J.. Theodore Meycr: ''First, thank you, Speaker. Like the

marriage feast at Cana, the best speech is last. Amendment

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Number One is an amendment at the suggestion of the Com-.

, uasmittee providing that this bill only relates to state u

and that the. federal act applies, this state act does

not apply. I move the adoption of Amendment Number One.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? All those favor of

the adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas', the opposed 'No',


further amendments? Third reading. 4648...


amend Section 2 oE an act relating to certain investment

of p' ublic funds. second reading of the bill. No committee

amendments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nAny amendmenté from the floor? Third

reading. All right, there arejust a few more bills now

on second reading that need to be advanced today so they

can be heard tomorrow. We'1l go back to those for the last

time. 559. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Richard Walsh

wish that bill read? 559? No: take itout. Okay. 1602,

Mr. Hoffman, do you want that bill read? No, all right,

take it out of the record. For what purpose does the gen-

tleman from Macon, Bcrchers, rise?''

Webber Borchers: ''To mako a motion tc suspend Rule 48 in

crder this present timea''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: '.Ah well now, wedre going to get to#' #

thcse series of things shortly. I kncw what you're talking

about now. your motion with regard to bills in committee.

We plan to handle a11 ot those at one time, so shortly.

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Let's see if we can get these House Bills second out of the

way. 2890.1'

Fredric B. selckef ''House Bill 2890. A bill for an act to

amend an act relating to judicial review. second reading

of the bill. One Ccmmittee Amendment. Amends House Bill

2890 on page 1, line l by inserting after the word 'of'

the following: 'and to add Section 17 to'; and on page

1, by strikfng line 10 and inserting in lieu thereof the

following: 'approved May 8, 1945, as amended, is amendedu

and Section 17 is added thereto, the amended and added

sections to read asfollows:'; and on page 1, by adding

after line 31 the following: and so forth.''


Gerald Shea: ''I move for the adoption of the Committee

Amendment.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? Al1 those in favor of tlae

adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas', the opposed 'ko', the

'Yeas' havè it and the amendment is adopted. Further amend

ments? Third reading. 3752...

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 3752. A bill for.an act to

amend 'The Legislative Investigating Commission Act'. Sec-

ond reading of the bill. No committee amendments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments' from the floor? Third

reading. 4335.1'

Fredric B. Seleke: ''House Bill 4335. A .bill for an act in

relation tc the licensing of ambulance and other coach ser-

vices. Second reading of the bill. No committee amendment ''

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Hon . W . Rcbert Blair : ''Any amendments f rom the f loor? Tlïird

reading. 4336..'

eredric B. selcke/ ''House Bill 4336. A bill for an act to

amend 'The Vehicle Code'. Second reading of the bill. No'committee amendments.''


reading. How about 43562 Al1 right, that one's been moved

4359.'1


amend Section 4 of an act defining the powers and duties of

the Department of Mental Health. Second reading of the

bill. No ccmmittee amendments.''


reading. 4360.1'


amend an act regarding state 'finance. Second reading of

t6e bill. No committee amendments.''

Hon. w . RoberE Blair: ''Any amendments from the flcor? Third

reading. 4462.''

Fredric B. Seleke: ''House Bill 4462. .A bill for an att to

amend 'The Pension Code'. Second reading of the bill. No

committee amendments.'''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments' from the floor? ràird

reading. K aat? 4423.''

Fredric B. selcke: ''House Bill 4423. A .bill for an act to

amend.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''For what purpose does the gentleman

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from Cook, Mr. Shea, rise?''

Gerald Shea: '.On 4462, I believe there was an amendment

on that bill, or there was supposed to be. Representative

Simmons on the flocr?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Oh yes. he's back there.''#

Gerald W. Shea: '.4462 was there an amendment from the floor?''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Thereis 'no amendment on the Clerk's

desk-''

Gerald W. shea: '$Wel1, I thought that the ah Representative

sims was going to offer it. If not, I'm gcing to offer an

amendment to it.''

Fredric B. Selcke: nHouse Bill 4423. A bill for an act to

amend Section to 'The Revenue Act of 1939.. Second

reading df the bill. No ccmmittee amendments.''

Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor? Third

reading. 4550...


amend 'The School Code'. Second reading of the bill. No



reading. 4551. 4551...


amend 'The School Ccde'. Second reading of the bill. One

Committee Amendment. Amend House Bill 4551 on page lyin

the title by striking lines 2 and 3 and inserting in lieu

thereof the f ollowin: : ' ' amend Sections .

Hon . W . Robe rt B1a i r : '' The gent l.ema n f rom Cook p Mr . She a . ''

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Gerald W. Shea: ''Mr. Speaker, I would move to table Committee

Amendment Number One and then I'm going tc propose to offer

Floor Amendment Number T<o. '1

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Al1 right, the gentleman offers to

move the adoption of Committee Amendment Number One being

moved and then move to table. Does the gentleman have

leave? All right, table Committee Dnendment Number Oney

and now, further amendments?''

d i Selcke: ''Amendment Number Two Shea. Amend HouseFre r c ,

Bill 4551 on page 1, in the title by striking .lines

through 3 and inserting in lieu thereof the following:

and so fcrth.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Sh/ax'Gerald W. Shea: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, Amendment Number Two is a bng amendment it was#

drafted in conjunction by the Chicago Schcol Board and

Chapman Incorporated. The first part prcvides for eight

months budget and levy for the period January 1, 1973 toA

August 31, 1973. This would allow the board to make the

transfer from September l to December 31 fiscal year,

beginning January 1974. The second part is that in

September of 1973 the board will pass a 12 month fiscal

year. Each year there will be two levies to support the

budget, one for the months of September thrcugh December

and a second levy for the months of January through August.

Both levies together equa.l 12 months taxes. The bill, as

amended, will declare no increase taxes. I'J move for

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the adoption of the amendment.n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''oiscussion? Al1 those in favor of

the adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas' the opposed 'No'# #

the 'Yeas' have it and the amendmont adopted. Further

amendments? Third reading. 4588.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4588. A bill for an aèt to

amend an act in relation to counties. Second reading of

the bill. No committee amendments.n


reading. 1589.,.


amend Section 15 of an act in relation to the lieensing,

regulation of home rule, maintenance and care of persons

who are il1 aged or physicdlly infirm. Second reading of

the bill. One Compittee' Amendment. Amends House Bill

1589 on page line 2, by striking 'may' and inserting

in lieu thereof 'shallf; and by striking lines 3, 4 and 5

and inserting in lieu theréof the follcwing: 'such person ,A

except the Department shall not issue a license hereunder

to any person whc, upon the Department's own determination

and so f orth ' ''

Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Douglas.u

Bruce Douglas: ''What one are we on?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ..1589...

Bruce L. Dopglas: ''No amcndments.''

Hon . W . Robert Blair : '' Conunittee amendment . ''

Bruc:e Douglas : ''No apatallftmonts . ''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Wel1 there is a Committee Amendment on

the bill.n

. Bruce L. Douglas: ''We11. I agree to.the amenluent.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: HMove for its adoption.'t

Bruce L. Douglas: ''I mcve for the adoption of the amendment,

Mr. Speaker-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A1l right, is there discussion? A11

those favor 6f the adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas',

the opposed 'No' the 'Yeas' have it and the amendment is#

adopted. Further amendments? Tsird reading. 2415.'.


amend 'The Election Code'. Second reading of the bill.

One Committee Amendment. Amend House Bill 2415 on page. 1,

by deleting line and inserting in lieu thereof the

following: 'The polls shall be open from 6:30 a.m. to

6:30 p.m.'; and on page lines 27 and

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Douglas.n

Bruce Douglas: move for the I move for the adoption of

the amendment, Mr. Speaker.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: there objection? those in

favor of the adoption of the amendment sby 'Yeas', the op-

posed 'No% the 'Yeas' have it and the amendment is adopted.

Further amendments? Third reading. Is 4451 ready Mr.

Nowlan? No, take itout cf the record. 4523.1'

Fredric B. Selcke: HHouse Bill 4523. A bill for an act to

amend 'The School Code' Second reading of the bill. No

committeo amendments.''

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Hon . W . Robert Blair : ''Any amendments f roln the f logr? ''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Anlendment NunX er One, Juckett. Nnend

House Bill 4523 on page 1, line 24, by inserting after

'agreement' the following: and so forth . ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook , Mr. Juckett.''

Robert S. Juekett: .'Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentielen of

the House, Amendment Number One to House Bill 4523 is a

product of cooperation between myself and the Superintenden

of Public Instruction and we have worked out our disagree-

ments on the bill and it provides for a more flexible and

better way of working cooperatiye agreements in special

education and I would urge adoption of Amendment Number

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? Al1 those in favor of

the adoption of thç amendmpnt say 'Yeas' the opppsed '.No'w . # #'

the tYeas' have it and the amendment is adopted. Are the're

further amendments? Third reading. The gentleman from

Cook, Mr. Simmons, for what purpose do you rise?''

Arthur E. Simmonsz ''Mr. Speaker, I have two amendmpnts on my

desk, but they both seem to be identical, Number One and

Number Two.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''There is only one on the Clerk's

desk. There's only one amendment here on the Clerk's desk.Third reading. Third réadings. 4364.''

Fredric B. selcke: ''House Bill 4364. A bill for an act pro-

viding for the interchange of public employees between and

among governmenta 1 agencies at the same or di f f erent levels

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of government, federal, state and local. Third readsmg of

the billku

Hon. W . Robert Blair: l%The gentlemaia from Cook, Mr. Capuzi.''

Louis Capuzi: '%Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlere n of the

Heuse, House Bill 4364 is an act providing for the inter-

ehange of public employees between and among governmental

agenG es at the same or different levels of government.

federal, state and local. so as to please the perscnnel

resources at the different goverlMuen/al levels in thisstate without causing harm to the employees involved

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short, the purpose of this legislakion to authorizestate and local government in Illinois to participate in

such personnel exchanges and to guarantee personnel dmploye

rights and benefits during an aetive participation. The

idea is that an employee eould have a one or two year peric

to accept a job at federal or local unit of government and

during their exehange, they lose no rights or benefits.

Now, know of no opposition. This is of help to the fed-

eral and state employees and I'd appreeiate the vote ofevery membpr of the House .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook , Mr. Shea.''Gerald W. Shea: ''Ah Representative; the provisions of this#

are not mandatory, but purely permissive, is that correct?''Louis F. Capuzi: ''That's right.

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Gerpld W- Shea: ''Thank you .''

Hon. W. Robert Bkair: ''Further diseussion? The question iss'halz House Bill 4364 pass? Alk those in favor will vote

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The clerk will take the record. On this kuestion: thereare l53 'Yeas' and no 'Nays'' and this bill having received

the ccnstituiional majority is hereby declared passed.

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add Division 5 to 'The Illinois Munici/al Code'. Thirdreading of the bi1l.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman from Cook, Mr. Glass.''

Bradley M. Glass: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gen-

tlemen of the House. House Bill 3619 would recognize the -

process that is now in effect G tmany municipalities when

buying new property for development, a subdivider or sub-

contractor develohs in the sewer, water and other author-

ities and is done so at his expense and then later as the

undeveloped property which wilk plso have the right to use '

the sewer and water facilities ah is developed and ties'

into that property a pro rata share of the original cost

is collected by the municipality and restored or repaid to

the original developer. Ah, as I say, this is a practice

that is now used by many uh municipalities, withotzt the

benefit of statute. .1 think this.is an important statute

bill, it was developed in consulta'tipn with Attorney Kent

Stonesc ipher in Chicago who, I think some cf you may know

and is an authority on special statute wqrk. I urge your

support of this bi1l..''

' Hon . W . Robert Blair : '' Is tllere the (gentleman f rom Kane o Mr .#

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John Jerome Hill: wonder you'll yield to a question?''

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''He indicates he wi1l.'' '

John Jerome Hill: ''One thing. when you pço rate this, will

it be pro rated on the amount of money that was paid for

that or is there possibility that will be as the'proper-

ty becomes more 'expensive that they can set a higher rate

for those people that wané to connect on. Is there a pro-

tecticn in therea''

Bradley M. Glass: '.Mr.

John Jercme Hill: ''In other words, maybe some of these con-

necticns won't take place for maybe ten years and ah it

would still go baek to the original contractor on a pro

rata basis.''

Bradley M. Glass: ''Ah, Jack, the only amount that the devnlop .er will be entitled to collect is a pro rata share of his'

actual cost or construction. The time and construction.''

John Jerome Hill: ''Thank you.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Dupage, Mr. Hudson.'

George Ray Hudson: 'fYield to a question? Ah, Brad, in the

event that a sub-divider: develcper, what have you should

be deceased, pass away, sometimes this will take a good

nuynber cf years t.o develop . What happens in that eventz'i

Bradley M . Glass : ''We11, the right to reimbursement al4is;

established by contact between the developer and the muni-

cipa lity and if it was an individua l contractor ratller than

corporation, then he'would say thai :he payments belong. ;% A' 1 t. , . '

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d into his heirs or his estpte, but that would be covere

the eontract, it would be signed between the municipality

and the developer-''

George Ray Hudson: ''Thank you-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Further discussion? The question is

shall House Bill 3619 pass? All ihose in favor will vote'Yeas' end the opposed Have all voted who wished?

The Clerk will take the reccrd . On this question, Madigan,

'Yeas' Ed Madigan, 'Yeas' Mcclain, 'Yeas' Pappas, 'Yeas't

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there are l43 'Yeas' and 2 'Nays' and this bill having

received the constitutional majority is hereby declared

passed. 4209.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Hcuse bill for an act to

make certain fiseal changes the student guarantee loan

program by amending certain acts and repealing part of an

act. Yhird reading of the bil1.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Rock Island, Mr.

Henss.''

Donald A. Henss: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, this bill does two things. It sets up a new

method of guaranteeing student loans under the new consti-

tution and thereby frees up $7 million that was tied up in '

student loans guarantee revolving funds. It also changes

the dollar restrictions on the amount of loans and makes

IlEnois laws ccnsistent with the federal law . The bill

supported by the I ll.inoj.: FJ tzate Seholarship Colnmission , ha sbeen checked by the H .E.W. in Washington and is approved.

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. I would appreciate

your support.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea.''Gerald W. Shea: ''As I read what I think this does, dces it

take the student loan guarantee revolving fund and returnthat money into the general rèvenuea''

Donald Henss: ''Yes, it does. It abolishes the student

lcan guarantee revolving fund and it goes to full faith andcredit of the State of Illincis to guarantee tbe loans thatare made to students. That money, $7 million whieh hasbeen tied up in that fund

, will then be placed in general

revenue.''

Gerald W. shàa: ''In other words. now the State making theloon: is that correet?''

Donald A. Henss: ''No that is not correct. Ah und er the; #former constitution, was impossible to use full faith

and credit for the state to guarantee a loan. The loans

are made by various banks to the students, but the state

and the federal government guarantee that the loan will berepaid to the bank . unéer the federal 1aw since thefederal gcvèrnment paying 80% of losses

, they have re-quired that the state maintain $9 million on deposit in thefederal or in the student loan guarantee revolving fund. n

Gerald W . Shea: ''I I understand now, Don.''

Dona ld A Hens s : ''But . . th' is wa s f a r more tha n wa s neces s a rand ah the bill has no opposition that I k

now o f.n*7) ''' 'u? $ . t t ---% ' G E N E R A L A S S E M 1) L Y? k * * . . ' .1 s a ' .2 $ sxa vrt o s y u u I sl o Isî ; .7 u. : .!. . .

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' HOn. W. Robert Blair: HThe gentleman from Cook, Mr. Juekett.'t

Rcbelt S. Juckett: HMr. S/eaker, will the sponsor yield to a

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ilon . W . Robert Blair : ''He indicates ' that .he wi l1. ''

Robert s. Juckett: ''Ah. from the syncpsis, it indicates that1

there will be an irrevocable appropriation for this partic-

ular program, in case the General Assembly refuses or does '

not act and appropriate the mcney. How much monies are

involved and why this kind of a provision?''

Donald A. Henss: ''The language which is used is that which is

appropriate to go to full faith and credit financing. It

was ah I assume that the legislature each yeor will make

the necessary appropriation to take share cf the losses E

under this program.'' . ,

Robert S. Juckett: ''Cost which run about 5% or 6% total on

the loss and the federal government pays 8O% cf that loss-''

Donald A. Henss: ''So there is a minimum amount of an approp-

riation'which will be necessary on a year to year basis '

for the state to make that appropriation. In order to

guarantee under the new constitution that the full faith

' and credit of the state would be'behind these loans and

to persuade the bankers to go ahead and make the loan and

to satisfy federal requirements, this language is necessary

However. I imagine it will never b'e used.''

Robert S. Juckett: ''So in effect we wculd be obligated each

' and every General Assembly from here on out to make the

appropriation and if not it would automatically be approp-

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riated without the voice of the legislature.''

Donald A. Henss: ''Wel1, of course, you know that the leqis-

lature is not obligated by any prior acticn, but as fact

of the matter, we really are. Al1 of us have that degree

of responsibility so that weill go ahead and pay the obli-

gations of the state. This would be an obligation cf the

state, I'm sure the legislature would want it to be paid.

I sec that this is an additional tool of the state whieh

will make funds available for use which othem/ise wculd

have to be tied up. That is the design of the bill under

the' new constitution, full faith and credit financing is

permitted, so this would abolish the student loan guarantee

revolving fund and permit the use o'f million rather thsn

requiring the non-use of. the $7 million.''

Robert S. Juckett: ''And would the Illinois State Scholarship

commission be that party which was responsible for the

administration of this bill?''

Donald A. Henss: ''Yes, it is supported by the Illinois state

Scholarship Commission. It is also supported by the H.E.W .

in Washington, which of course, is very impcrtant. They

were the scfe voice in the past in requiring that we have

a total of $9 million on deposit khich eould not be used.

We made attempts the past at reducing this amount be-

cause was far more than what was necessary and would

have on the applicable ratios which are involved, it would' have authorized loan: up to $500 million.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Further discussion? The gentleman fro

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Cook, Mr. Kosinski.''

Roman J. Kosinski: ''Mr. Speaker, will the sponsor yield to

question?''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''He indicates he wil1.''

Roman J. Kosinski: .'Mr. Sponsor, do you know what our loss

statute is presently on student loans cf this type?'.

Donald A. Henss: ''Loss or total' losses are running at 5% or 60

of the loan, the federal government pays 8O% of this loan

lost. The total lost to date from the beginning of this

program in 1966 have been something in excess 'of $3 million ''

Roman J. Mosinski: ''In which period sir?''#

Donald A. Henss: ''Pardon me?''

Roman Kcsinski: which period did you say, sir?''

Donald A. Henss: ''The program began in .August of 1966. The

losses since that time have been scmewhat in excess of

millionk''

Roman J. Kosinski: nThat is state losses or total lossesa''

Donald A. Henss: nThat would be a total loss and the federal

government pays 8O% of the loss.''

Roman J. Kosinski: ''Thank you.''

Donald A. Henss: î'That is sihce 1966. ..

Roman J. Kosinski: ''Thank you.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: '.Al1 right, the gentleman from Cook,Diprima.

Lawrenee Diprima: ''Ah, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, over here on Ebe left side of the House is a

group of students from the Nash School in Bob Mcpartlin

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Henss.''

Donald A. Henss: ''1'11 be very. .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''To close.n

Donald A. Henss: .brief, Mr. Speaker. I do not know of

any opposition to this bill. It has had approval of all

organization which are involved and what it does is to

bring up $7 million whieh will otherwise be tied up and

unusable. That money will be transferred into general

revenue and be available for education for mental health,

for environmental protection cr for health services. andfor the various things that are needed for the State'ofIllinois. I would appreciate the support

.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The question ik shall House Bill 4209

pass? those in favor will vote 'Yeas' and the opposed#'No% Have a1l voted who wished? The Clerk will take therecord. On this question, there are 153 'Yeas' and no

'Nayst and this bill having, Lechcwicz, 'Yeas', and this

Yill having received the constitutional majority is herebydeclared passed. 4301.,'

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4301. bill for an oet to

amend sections of 'TIRe State Employees Group Insuranee Act

of 1971' Third reading of the bill-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Champaign, Mr.C). abaush . ''

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' ''' Charles W . Clabaugh : .'A1r . speaker and Members of the House ,

'.u ' House Bill 4301 affects somebody in everybody's district

in the State of. Itlinois and to those 7,247 people that

would be affected, this is probably the most impcrtant bill

to them that will be before this General Assembly . When

%qe passed the State Employees Insurance Bill in the last

ses'sion, or the first part of this session of the General'

. Assembly, we.included everyone that was working for the

State and everyone that had retired since January 1, 1966,

but excludes from the benefits of those of that bill thenthe'act, the benefits that would go to the people who wereretired before January 1, 1966, and as I said, :he 7,247

of them in the State of Illinois. Ifve only foupd one per-

son on the floor oE the House or in the senate or anywhere

else in areas of government, just one person aside fromthcse in the Department of Personnel who knew that we hadleft these people out. Now, they worked fer the Stafe ofIllinois-when salaries were lower, much more than they are

now, and their pensions are eonsiderably lower, than those

persons who retired after that date and the purpose for' !.

. this bill is very simple. It simply removes that exclusion

Iand extends the healti and hospit/l benefits, not the life :insurance benefits, to those people, 'to those elderly peopl :

twho retired before 1966, January 1. Now, the estimated cos '

of this as run down by the Department of vpersonnel and in 1. . ' j

.other various vicinities, getting that cost is $1,076,000.0a year and tho bill does not toke effect until January 1 or l

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July l'of 1973, the reason being. of course. that the State

contracts that the State has with the insurance companies' can not be altered by law . The péople are very much in-

terested in this, they're very grateful for the passage of

this bill and I want I again reiterate it does not extend

to them life insurance benefits, because no life insurance

company, I suppose in the world, could take people who

range the'way frcm oh 67 and 68 years o1d up to l03

years old. There's one lady l03 and so they aren't inter-

ested in life insurance, but they are extremeïy interested

in the health and accident, health and hospital insurance .

There was no objection to it in the committee, it gotunanimous consent cf the committee and I request your

sup-port for this very worthy piece of legislation

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentlempn from McLean, Mr. Bradley ''

Gerald A. Bradley: ''Ah Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, I was wondering if the sponsor would yield for

one question?''A

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates that he wilk.n

Gerald A. Bradley: ''Representative Clabaugh, I was wondering

if this ah included the retired teachers of the State ofIllinois, b0th in the higher education and in th

e secondary

and elementary level of teaching .''

Charles W . Clabaugh: ''It includes thcse in higher educationand it includes those teachers who are and have been employed in the Office of the superintendent of Public Instructio .

iut it does not neither because the original act which we' qt (:iù! ft' > '...* '. 4 'rw' ;' ? ' -'-' c;. . G E N E It A L A S S E M B 1- Y

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are amending does not affectthem . They have an qntirely

diff4rent system and they are not affected by this act-''

Gerald A. Bradley: ''Thank you .''

'Ilon. W. Robert Blair: ''The ah gentleman from Cook, Mr.

Lechowicz.''

Thaddeus :. Lechowicz: 'lyes, Mr. Speaker, will the sponscr

yield to two questionsr'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''IIe indicates that he wi11.''

Thaddeus Lechcwicz: ''What are the projectives as far as

the rates on the imsurance if this bill passes?''

Charles W. Clabaugh: didn't get your question .''

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: 'lWhat are the projections on the rate

for the insurance if this bill passes?''

Charles W. clabaush: ''Wel1 .#

Thaddeus Lechowicz: ''How much will the rates go up?''

Charles Clabaugh: ''We1l as far as personnel, when I asked#

that questiony they said that there would probably be a

very slight increase. but very little.''

Thaddeus S. Lechcwicz: ''And are these people covered underMedicarez''

ChMrles W. Clabaugh: ''oh yes.''#

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: ''Thank .

Charles W. Clabaugh: yes, just like we are to the extendthat we are we're over 65 years br so and they are al1over 65....

Thaddeus Lechowicz: HAl1 right, thank you.''

l4on . 1# . Robert Bl ai r : '' 13lze .

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charles w. clabaugh: .,96 per cent of them are eligible for

medicare.''

Hon . W . Robert Blair : '' T14e gentleman f rom Cook , Mr . 'Perzieh . d'

Robert M. Terzich: ''Thank you, I'd like to ask the sponsor

a question. Are the benefits for the people, is this in

addition e medicare or does it supplement medicare?n

Charles W. Clabaugh: ''Exactly the s/me way that you or I

were to supplement Just like it was us. A11 we did

was strike out that the date of January 1, 1966..'

Robert M. Terzich: ''This I understand, but does this is this

in àddition to mqdicare or does it simply supplement what

medicare is does nct covera''

Charlez W. Clabaugh: ''It's a supplement, isnit? Xes, it's

a supplement to medieare.u

Rober t M. Terzich: HThank ycu.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: HThe gentieman from Boone, Mr. Cunning-

ham . ''

Lester Cunningham: ''Would the sponsor yield for a guestion?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates.''

Lester Cunningham: ''Ah, Representative Clabaugh, this in-

clude widows of former employeesan

Charles W. Clabaugh: yes. Tha'tts the same as it is for

the rest of us. The only different thing is that they donot have the life insurance. That's the only difference.

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman frop Lawrence, Mr. cun-

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tion? ''

Hon . W . Robert B1a i r : '' Yes . .'

Roscoe D . Cunningham : '' Representative Clabaugh, isn ' t tlle

state now paying $2.00 a month of this on these people's

attention on their refund pursuant to a program?n

Charles W. Clabaugh: ''Yeah, they're subject, they have the

same policy that we have before we passed this bill.

just going blck down and picking them up and giving them

the benefits of this.''

Roscoe D. Cunninghain: ''But even without your bill, doesn't

the state now refund $2.00 out of the total payment of

$3 - 38? ''

Charles W. Clabaugh: ''Yes, I think they do.''

Roscoe D. Cunningham: ''Yesh wedre just realizing that whattheyire doing.''

Charles W. Clabaugh: ''Does that ansver your question?''

Roscoe Cunningham: ''Wel1 maybe that's the answer.n'#

charles W. Clabaugh: nWe're just putting them on the same

basis as everybody else, that's a11.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: 'tThe gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bz B.

Wolf e . ''

Bernard B. Wolfe: ''Ah, if I may. Mr'. Speaker, clarification

from the Chief Sponsor on the question of the message here,

if he will yield to question. I'd like to clarify.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Al1 right.''

Bërnard Wolfe: ''Charlie, seems to me that from the

situation of the governor connection with the plan that

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the Gcvernor stated that the plan which prcvided Illinois

employees with fringe benefits, competitive with those 9f

other large employers or b0th governmental and private.

Now, seems to me thpt under the plan most government

employees which were not under the Social Security Plan

and therefore could get no benefits under Medicare, and

this plan would provide them with benefits similar to the

medicare benefits and as far as we're concerned ah if we

are covered, this supplements that, it's an independent

government plan that supplements medicare if #ou happen to

be under it. And if you are not, then it does the same

job as Medicare, that's my understanding and I'd like to

know if that's right cr wrong.''

Charles Clabaugh: don't know very much about medicare.

All I know is it took me seven months to get paid, once

under it. But now since a11 this does is just put these

people in the same position as you are and I am. I can't

tell you about the same law.''

Bernard B. Wolfe: ''We11, support it and think it's a

good idea, Charlie.n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further discussion? The gentleman

from Champaign, Mr. Clabaugh, to close.''

Charles W. Clabaugh: ''Favorable vote.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''A1l right, the question is shall House

Bill 4301 pass? Al1 those in favor will vote 'Yeas' and

the opposed 'No'. Have al1 voted who wished? The Clerk

will take the record. Regner, 'Yeas'. On this question,

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there are 1G2 'Yeas' and no 'Naysl and this bill having

received the constitutidnal majority is hereby d.eclared

P

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4179. A bill fcr an oct to

amend Section 15-111 of 'The Illinois Vehicle Code'. Third

reading of the bill.''

Hcn. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Rock Island, Mr.

Pappas.''

Pete Pappas: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,

House Bill 4179 as amended, amends Section 15-111 of 'The

Illinois Vehicle Code'. The bill corrects an error in

connection to permissible percentage increase actuary and

in cities of 50,000 or more lawyers, thirty and third

prerogative, 1969 reeodification. Inadvertently, it was

changed tc thirty and one 'half per cent. This bill would

restore the thirty and a third per cent. Also, the present

1aw enacted.prior to 1956 permits cities with a population

of more than 50,000 to provide by ordinance their actual

limits on any two axel trucks. such an ordinance could

thus apply to any highway within the city. House Bill 4179

expands its authority to ap#y to'three axle, four axle and

five axle vehicles so that any cities or villages could

enact by ordinance to apply to its own city only. would

solicit your support.''

1.1014. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there any discussion? The question

is shall House Bill 4179 pass? Al1 those favor will

vote 'Yeas' and the opposed 'No'. Have a1l voted who wish?

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The Clerk will take the record. Schneider, 'NCC.. On this

qoestion, Yhore are 136 'iYeas' and 'Nays' and Ahis bill

ah Mann, 'Yeas', having received the constitutional majcr-

ity, is hereby declared passed. 4552.,..


amend section 6-183 of 'The Illinois Pension Code'. Third

readinq of the bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Frank

W91f.''

Frank C. Wolf: Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, Hcuse Bill 4552 amends the Article 6 of the

URicago Fireman's Retirement System. It increases the

authorization to invest funds of the Chicago Firemen's

Retirement System in a corporate or state bond fr6m 35 to

50% the vote around you 'of the funds investmentu Thik

particular bill has the approval of the Pension Laws Com-

mission and passed the Ccmmittee unanimously. Aqd I ask

for a favorable vctea''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion?' The question is sholl

House Bill 4552 pass? those in favor will vcte 'Yeas.

'and the opposed 'No'. Have a1l voted who wished? The

Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are

16l 'Yeas' and no 'Nays' and this bill having received the

constitutional majority is hereby de'clared passed. 4098..'

Fredric Selcke: ''House Bill 4098. bill for an act mak-

ing a supplemental appropriation to the Department of Per-

sonnel. Third repding ot the bil1.''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Coek, Mr. Sevcik.''

Joseph G. Sevcik: ''Ah Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, House Bill 4098 makes a supplemental appropria-

tion to the Department of Personnel for payment of a state

contributions for the D lployees Group Insurance . This

for payment for the month of May 'and June. This is an

agreed appropriation and I ask for your favorable support.''

.iion. W. Robert Blair: ''All right, is there discussion? A11,

oh, the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Duff.''

Briah Duff: ''Mr. Speaker, I'm supporting this/ but I would

like to ask a question on it.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates he'll yield.''

Brian B. Duff: .'Ah, this is a two month deficit ah of how

many total dollarsan

Joseph Seveik: ''Pour end a half miklion dollars.''

Brian B. buff: ''And the reason I asked.

Joseph G. sevcik: ''It runs approximately $2 million a mcnth

to take care o'f the group health and life insurance com-M

pany for 110,000 employees. ''

Brian B. Duff: ''We11, ah, Mr. sleaker, I'd like to speak in

favor of this bill, but I would like to point out that this

is a perfect example of when we qûestioned the Executive

Branch of the government last year on changing this program,

we were seriously interested in the money and we suggested

to them that they were doing at the time by millions

dollars. I support this/ but would like to know if those

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that we teld the Executive Branch of government that Ye

were underestimating this project by millions and millions

of dollars. Thank you.''

kon. w. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Lake, Mr. Pierce.''

Daniel M. Pierce: ''Mr. Speaker, I would just like tc put my

piece of words in. My son broke his nose yesterday and

went to the Mcdified Hospital and they told my wife that

they would take Blue Cross-Blue Shield, while at the same

time she would have to pay money even before they would

X-ray his nose, and then they would have to put a claim

against cur insurance company and that is something I would

like the sponsor to comment on and I would like to have an

answer cf why he is covered as well under our policy as the

Northeastern Insurance as he did under Blue Cross. .If it

is the hospitals, we should investigate the hospitals.l'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Katz.''

Harold A. Katz: '1Ah would the gentleman yield to a question?i

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Ah# he indicates he will.''

Harold A. Katz: ''When the contracts were originally written,

was there some sort of' competitive bidding among Gifford

Insurance Companies in order to éave this State Contract?''

Joseph G. Sevcik: ''Yes, there was.''

Harold A. Katz: dtWel1 .''#

Joseph G. Sevcik: ''But this was aftek the appropriatbn was

already'advanced here. They did not know the premiums were

going to rise. was predicated on 89,000 employees and

now it is covering 110 , OOO employees . ''

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Harold A. Katz: '.Ahe the difference then was not on the ex-

perience, but simply the State personnel office did not

know the number of people employed by the State of Illinois

Is that the situation?''

Joseph G. sevcik: ''They did not know , they did not know what

the premium would be.n

Harold A. Katz: ''Wel1, I don't understand your answer. I'm

not trying to be difficult, but first you tellme was a

different in the number .of the pepple of the state,wasthere a difference in the number of people cc/ered cr a

difference in the cost of each person covered?n

Joseph G. Sevcik: ''It ap/lies to b0th . The number of people

being covered and also that they did not know the total

amount of the premium at the time.''

Harold A. Katz: uWel1 does that mean that there was or was

not a competitive bid made for the state insurance? That's

what I want to know . Was there any competitive bidding?''

Joseph G. Sevcik: ''Yes.''

Harold A. Katz: uThen whab about the people that bid morethan Northeastern did, but ncw end up not getting the con-

tract and Northeastern steps in and gets it for more .don't quite understand how the fairness of it

.''

Joseph G. Sevcik: ''We11, I'm not dealing with the bidding,I'm just telling you that we need tbis money to go for the

next two months to cover the cost of the insurance.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook Mr. Terzich.''

Robert M. Terzich: ''Ah Representative Sevcik, can you tell

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me do you what the increase was for the added number cf

participants, what was the increesea''

Joseph Sevcik: ''From 89,000 to 110,000.''

Rcbert M. Terzich: ''Do you mean to tell me the Governor put

21,000 people on the payroll.

Joseph G. Sevcik: ''NO no, no .''

Robert M. Terzieh: . uThank you, Representative Sevcik .''

Joseph G. Sevcik: ''Wait just a minute, I want to answer that

question. I'm getting a little bit of information here.

The Department of Personnel only keep a head count of the

Offices of the Governor. Nowy the other agencies they do

not have the head count, but the other agencies come out

to 110,000..'

Hon. W. Robert Blair:' ''Is there no further discussion? The

question is shall House Bill 4098 pass? those in favor

will. .the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Lechowicz-''

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: ''Mr. Speaker, I believe that the

figure tsat was told as far as the total number of employee

that are being covered by the effective plan is a tremend-

ous discrepancy and I would request the sponsor to pull

this bill for consideration on third reading until we have

the figures checked-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Sevcik.''

Joseph G. Sevcik: ''Thad, I think we covered this in the Ap- '

propriations ah ah meeting and you had the receiving ans-Fers from the Director that now it's over 109

,000 employees

and this approximately $22.00 an employee, this making... sK- 1 * f ' ...;* j * .-w1 .

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the total deficit $4,800,000.00. We're asking for $4.5

million and welre getting $300.000.00 from federal funds.''

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: nWe11. according to the Auditcr's Re- .port, there are 46,466 employees at the end of January

receiving their pay out of the General Revenue Fund. Now.

on the other hand. there were 14,984 employees getting it

from the Road Fund . That gives you a total of 61,650

employees, wklh is a far cry from 110,000.''

Joseph G. Seveik: ''I don't think ah you have all the other

agencies included there and ah, Thad, I'm sure that the

Department of Personnel will supply the correct number and

it is between 109,000 and llO,0OG employees. This is a1l

agencies covered by the insurance. ''

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: ''The well the only thing is that the

appropriation will further increase the deficit in the' ..

general revenue fund, without a completely disprcportion&te

ratio.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nAl1 right, the question is ihall

House Bzll 4098 pass? Al1 those in favor will vote 'Yeas'

and the opposed 'Nod. Have al1 voted who wished? The

Clerk will take the record. The gentleman from Franklin,Mr. Hart.''

Richard 0. Hart: ''Ah, this bill says it will beccme effective

. immediately. I'm asking the Chair how many votes it willrequire?''

HOn. Robert Blair: '189 Ah u'nder' the new ccnstitutiony

you require that the period from January 1 to July 1, the

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bill to become effective upon their becoming a 1aw with

only a constitutional majority. After July for them to

become effective, prior to the following July 1, ah that

it takes 106, three/fifths. The gentleman from Cook, Mr.Lechowicz.''

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: ''Yese Mr. Speaker, I request a verifi-

cation.''

. Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''A1l right. There are l00 'Yeas' and

no 'Nays' and the gentleman has requested a a verification.

Xll right. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Lechowicz-''

Thaddeus S. Lechcwicz: '.I withdraw my request.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A1l right. This bill having received

the constitutional majority is hereby declared passed.

The gentleman from vermilion, Mr. Creig, for what purpose

do you rise, sir?n

Robert Cra'ig: ''I'd like to change my vote to 'Present '.''

Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''All right, does the gentleman have

leave tg-.be recorded as 'Present' on that last roll call?

That does still not change the vote . Okay. 4511..'


amend sections of 'The Illinois Pension Code'. Third

reading of the bi1l.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Randolph, Mr.

Springer-n

Norbert G. Springer: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen

of the Hcuse, House Bill *4511 amends 'The Illinois Munici-pal Retirement Fund Article' of the 'Illinois Pension Code'

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It prcvides for new retirement annuity formula on one and

two-thirds per cenk of khe average monthly earnAngs, both

for four year period. It increases the death benefit

amount. It provides for a surviving spouse, child annuity

for surviving spouses of and orphan children of female

employees. increases the male employees contributions

to four and a quarter per cent to four and a half and the

female employees from three and a quarter to four and a

half. It deletes also some obsolete prcvisions the

effectiveness upon becoming a 1aw helps amendments to

paragraphs 7-172 and 7-173 which take effect January 1,

1973. House Bill 4511 was approved by the pension Study

Commission and it was alsc passed out of Committee unan-

imously. I appreciate any support .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Further discussion? A11 those, the'

questbn is shall House Bill 4511 pass? A11 thcse in favorwill vote 'Yeas' and the opposed .NO'. Have a11 voted whc

wished? x'The Clerk will take the record. On this question,

there are 146 'Yeas' and l 'Nay' and this bill having re-

ceived the constitutional majority is hereby declared.passed. House Bill 2683.''

Eredric selcke: ''House Bill 2G83. A bill .for an act to

amend Section 55a of 'The Civil Administrative Code of

Illinois'. Third reading of the biïl.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Wayne, Representa-

tive Blades.''

Ben C. Blades: ''Ah# Mr. Speaker: Ladies and Gentlemen of the

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House, ah, I'd like to have leave to hear House Bills 2684

and 2685 along with 2683.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A11 right, are there any objections?Hearing none, will the Clerk please read House Bills 2684

and -85.,'

Fredric B. Selcke: nHouse Bill 2684. A bill for an aet to

amend Sections 'The Illinois llorce Raeing Aet'. Third

reading of the bill. House Bill 2685 . A bill for an act

making apprcpriations to the Department of Law Enforcement

for the ordinary and contingent expenses of Ràce Track

Security Forces. Third reading cf the bil1. ''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-tive Regner.'.

David Regher: ''Ah Mr. Sleaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, these three bills creates the race track secur-ity force and puts it under the Department eE Law Enforce-ment instead of the control of the Racing Board

. It does

have the-support of the racing board and also the Depart-

ment of Law Enforcement of Illinois, and I'd ask for a

favorable vcte on these three bills.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there any discussion? If nct, the

question is shall House Bills 2683, -4, and -5 pass? All

those in favor signify by saying 'Yeas', the opposed by

voting 'NO.. The Clerk will take three roll ealls. Take .the record. On this question, there are l09 'Yeas' and

9 lNays' and these bills iaving received the constitutional

majority are hereby declared passed. Record Representative

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B. B. Wolfe as voting 'Yeas'. House Bill 4309...


amend Sections cf an act to create the White County Port

District and to define its powers and duUes. Third reading

of the bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman from Pranklin. Mr.

Ha rt . ''

Richard 0. Hart/ ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, al1 this bill does is to clean up the language

of the act to create the White County Port District. In

one part of talks about three members to the board

and in one part it talks about nine, so this just makes itconsistent throughout the act that there will be

vthree

members on the board. We need your support and the Gover-

nor will make the appointmeqt and I would appreciate if

we could get passed. Thank you ,very much-''

Hon. Robert Blairz ''Is there any discussion? The qzestionis shallxHouse Bill 4309 pass? A1l those in favor signify

by voting 'yeas', the opposed by voting 'No'. Have al1

voted who wished? Take the record. Pleck, 'Yeas' 'Have. #

. a1l voted who wiphed? Take the record. Springer, 'Yeas'.

On this question, t%ere are 150 'Yeas' and no 'Nays' and

this bill having received the eonstifutional majority is

hereby declared passed. House Bill 4189.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4189. A bill for an act to.

'amend Sections of 'The Illinois Highwoy Code' Third read-

ing of the bill . '.

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tive Palmer.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. Hous

Bill 4189 provides for the expanding of salaries of the

road district treasurer in the various road districts that

we have in the State. Ah. you recall, the constitution

provides that we outlaw fees as such and wc passed a bill

' sometime ago which deleted the present requirement of theact as far as fees are çoncerned and this bill provides

for the setting of salary. It can't be less than $100.00or more than $1,000.00 to be set by the various categories

and each single township to be set by the Board of

Auditcrsy the Highway Board of Auditors and consolidatedhighway districts and also the County Board and Road Dis-

tricts not under constant organiz.ation. Ah, I urge your

favoravle consideration.''

Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Yourell.''

Harry Yourell: MWould the gentleman yield to a question?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yes, he indicates he wil1.''

Harry Yourell: ''Is it true, RYmie, tM : presently the act

needs amending that would require Yhe Board of Auditors

to make up the apprcpriate road budget or is that donestill presently as it was dcne in the past by the electorsat the town meeting?''

Romie J. Palmer: ''No, the oh a single kownship, as in Worth

Townsbip: the one that you and I are familiar with, would

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be done by the Board of Auditors. It would be acted upon

by the Board of Auditors within that township, an not by

the eleetors.''

Hon. W . Robert Blairz ''Mr. Yourell.''

Harry Yourellz ''Well is RepresentBtive Moore on the floor?''#

Hon. W. Robert Blair: don't see him on the floor.''

Harry Yourell: ''Wellz I don't think that's quite correct.

Representative Palmer, because we presently have a bill and

don't Rnow the status of that bill and I don't recall the

number, but inadvertently the township supervisors left cff

when we changed the bills from the payment of the budget

and the making of a levy before the budget that they were

that area in the township road bridge was left again to the

final decision not to the Board of Auditors. Now, I'm con-

cerned whether the bill we're talking about will have any

effect on the bill that is I Ehink.on second reading now,

ah, just out of committee.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Well, I'm not familiar with the other bill,I can only tell you that this bill will take effect prior

to the township eleetions, I think this coming year/ thelast Tuesday cf March before those elections

, then thevarious groups have to <et the stories of the townshiproad districts treasurers. Previously, the ah the ah the

the eompensation of the road distriet treasurer was set byfees. If yau're talking Mbout current 'situation

, I can't. 'tell you. I'm not certain I know what the provisi

ons ofthat bill are, but this bill is perspective

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Hon. W. Röbert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook. Representa-

tive Bluthardt.n' Edward E. Bluthardt: ''Ah would the èponsor yield to a ques-

tion?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates that he will.''

Edward E. Bluthardt: ''Romie, presently the ah county road

treasurer, the supervisor of the town board, isn't that cor

rect? ''

Romie J . Palmer : ''Yes . ''

Edward E. Bluthardt: ''How do the minimum and the maximum fee

of $100.00 or salary of $100.00 to $1,000.00 compare with

the fee presently being received by your township highway

or your township supervisor for that purpose?''

Romie J. Palmer: ''I believe it's a minimum amount which would

be a reduction here as it has been in the past- ''

Edward E. Bluthardt: ''Well, I would I would insofar as ah

my guess is that they the Board of Auditors or the Highway

Board of Auditors or the County Board woutd set some sort

of averaging and set the salaries fairly well like they've

done in the past.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there further discussion? Does

the gentleman wish to close the dgbate? The question isshall House Bill 4189 pass? All those in favor signif

yby voting 'Yeas', the opposed by voting 'No'. Have allvoted who wished? Take the record. Lenard, 'Yeas'. On

this question: the 'Yeas'' are 97,the 'Nays' are 3 and this

bill having receivcd the constitutional majority is hereby

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declared passed. House Bill 4171.''


d Sections of the 'Illinois Insuranee Ccde'. Thirdamen

reading of the bi1l.''


tive Epton.''

Bernard E. Epton: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gen-

tlemen cf the House. You may recall that we passed the

Illinois Insurance Emergency Fund previously. That bill

was modeled after the model commissioner's bill and at the

time' one of the exemptions that they ineluded was exempting

the ocean reassurance earriers. When we tried to fit that

bill in with the in Tllinois, we inadvertently overlooked

that exclusion. The associations wrote to the Director of

Insurance last year. At that time the Director of Insur-kance indicated that would be placed on an amendment in the :

state senate. As you recall, he' had some difficulty. pass-

ing this bi.ll in the Senate and in the confusion, they in-

advertently overlooked this exclusion. Now, ocean marine

carriers like very litkle, any business in Irinois, and

the purpcse of this bill simply excludes that carrier. The

only reference to the' h.ealth insurance is tie fact that

that itself with life insurance will be under another guar-

antee fund. So, with in accordanee with the Direetor of

Insurance, his previous promise and the.commitment by the

Insurance Colwnittee,'l would appreciate your vote' in favor

cf House Bill 4171..'

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140.

Hon. Robert Blair: '$Is there any discussicn? The gentle-

man from Cook, Represen tative Maragos. ''

Samuel C. Maragosn ''Ah, Bernie, does the how solvent is this

company that is being excluded?''

Bernard Epton: ''I'm sorry, Sam, I didn't hear your ques-

tion.''

Samuef c. Maragos: ''How solvent is this company that you'reasking to be,excluded?''

Bernard E. Eptonz HWe11 no eompany is being excluded, per#

say. These are 10th ocean marine companies which may not

be doing any business in Illinois. They all financially

they're the giants like Roy, but the reason that we have

the exclusion is because they never know when a particular

cargo they're insuring may be and therefore in a1l of the

cases, the commission recommended that they be excluded..

There isn't any question of insolvency, they're the giants

in the in the world. This cargo that they're eoveriég in

fact in the .Gr'eat Lakes erea nor doesn't eover cargo in thearea, it simply covers cargo, for example, which may be

loaded in Amsterdam and may be unloaded in Tokyo. Doesn't

even hit Illinois, perhaps.''

Samuel C. Maragos: ''WeV1, the home o'ffices, why would they becovered in effect in eny case?''

Bernard E. Epton: HWell because the trouble here is we cover#

a1l insurance eompanies doinq business in Illinois. So,.you might have, for example

, an insurance eompany who might

have one policy on one eompany on one earqo at one time and

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141.

it may have khe premium value of $80.004 but wouu necessar-

i1y come this act and would have to pay more for the privilege of doing business than the actual premium involved

.''

Samuel C. Maragos: ''But isn't it based on the premium? Does

this eount on.

Bernard E. Epton: ''Not the original premium, no. The origina

prelùium cost is usually a charge of $500.00 onall companies

period. But fhe future assessment, in ease of an involve-

ment is based cn the premium . The initial undertaking is

flat fee charge by the guarantee fund- ''

Samuel Maragos: ''Thank you. ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nIs there further discussion? The question is shall House Bill 4171 pass? Al1 those in feMor signify by vcting 'Yeas' the opposed by voting 'No'. Have alêvoted who wished? Take the record

. B. B. Wolfe, 'Yeas'.

Campbell 'keas' Brenne 'Yeas' George O'Brien 'Yeas 'Record Representative Duff as voting 'Present'. Bermin,' Present ' . Uaragos , ' Present ' Carroll

, ' Present ' . Lech-owicz , ' Present ' Dan O ' Brien

. ' Present ' . Take the record

On this question, there are 117 'Yeas' and no 'Nays' and

answering 'Present' and this bill having received the constitutional majority fs hereby declared passed

. 4198.''d i B selcke: nHouse Bill 4198 A 'bill for an ect Kak-Fre r c .

.

ing a supplemental appropriation to the Department cf Rev-enue for payment of refunds under khe Illinois Income Tax

Act. Third reading of'the bill.'.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Lcgan, Representa-

c' ). :( '-,>x %' . G E N E R A L A S S E *1 11 L Y. jz k . . . .. a '! .j s ç. ); 'yt 2 s.r aa'c: o e. t uu4 e4 ols. ..19/ 'n? ' -'kx .:t,, z,.'.--e ''oe''''' OP- '?'':P'''''5''''''r''t-r'%'e:s

142.

tive Madigan.''

Edward R. Madigan: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the Hcuse: House Bill 4198 makes a supplemental appropria-

tion to the Department of Revenue in the amount of $25

million to fund their responsibility for income tpx refund

tax to individual and corporate tax payers. The bill was

considered in an Appropriations Sub-committee and the Full

committee and received the full unanimcus vote in b0th

areas and I'd appreciate'your support.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there any discussion? The question

is shall House Bill 4198 pass? All those in favor signify

by voting 'yeas' the opposed by voting 'No'. Have a11# .

voted who wished? Leon: tYeas'. Take the record. On this

question, the 'Yeas' are 146 and no 'kays' and this billhaving received the constitutional majority is hereby de-

clared passed. House Bill 4427..'

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4427. A bill for an act to.A

amend Section 4 of an act in relation to the rate of in-

terest. Third reading of the bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentlemëm frcm Ccok, Representa-tive Hyde.n

Henry J. Hyde: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, this bill amends the Usury Aet to take loans that

are made to medical students, interns and residents which

are guaranteed under the American Medical Association Edu-

cation Research Program . It removes the usury limits on

these loans. This is necessary to continue this prcgram

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143.

which has so far resulted in 46,000 loans amounting to over

$5o million to young persons gettin: a medical education.

This is a very marvelous program involving the various

banks in the country and this received the unanimous sup-

port of the Executive committee and I solicit your 'Yeas'

vote.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there any discussion? The question

.the gentleman from Cook, Representative Douglas.''

Bruce L. Douglas: ''Ah, Represqntative Hyde, just like to

ask one one question. on the subject of loans to medical

and students, is there any way that we are, while we're

giving such loans, encouraging students when they graduate

to some kind of rebates or other motivational medhanisms

to practice in parts of our state where we need doctors

desperately?''

Henry J. Hyde: ''Ah, I don't know, &h,' Representative Dougbs,

'ah these are not state loans, as you know these are private

loans from a bank and the ah assets of encouraging them to

locate their practice in certain places is not a part of

this program. Ah, I don't know how that really could be

done. But this 'program is private money from the banks

backed up by the American Medical.Association and the Re-

search Foundation, so I don't think we could tie the twoI

Bruce L. Douglas: ''We11 I recognize that' and r just wont tor

mention briefly in hopes that we will get more deeply into

this with future programs that encourage support of any kiï

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from the State along with mcdical and other health pro-

fessional students, but we've got the built in mechanisms

where we get thpse people wh'en they graduate, kf we're goin

to help them get loans anyway, the practice in those parts

of our state where we need them so desperately.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there further discussion? The

gentleman from Macon, Representative Alsup.''

John W. Alsup: '1Ah Mr. Speaker, would the sponsor yield for#

questiona''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates he wi11.''

John W; Alsup: nHenry, what's the maximum rates they can

borrow on now?''

Henry %b'. Hyde: ''Eight per cent is the legal rate.''

John W. Alsup: nAnd'you want to take the limit off to where

they can be charged any rete. n

Henry J. Hyde: ''That's right.''

John W. Alsup: ''Well, .

Henry J. Hyde: ''In fact: though, the ah the way these loanszA

work out, if one or two points over eight per cent, ah,

there's nothing eoercive about it, but is the only way

the loans can be made. They're unsecured loans, exceptbacked up by the Amerlcan Medical 'Association

. There is

no public money involved .here, it's all private. And theprogram has resulted. said, in thousands of loans be-

ing made to enable young people to complete their medicaleducation.''

John W. Alsup: ''Okay, thank you.''

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Voices: ''Ro11 call.''

Hon..W. Robert Blair: ''The question is shall Housë Bill

4427 pass? All those in favor signkfy by voting 'Yeas',

the opposed by voting 'No'. Have al1 voted who wished? .

Teke the record. On this question, there are l36 'Yeas'

and 3 'Nays' and this bill having received the constitution

al majority is hereby declored passed. éouse Bill 4479.''Fredric B. selcke: ''House Bill 4479. A bill for an act to

amend Section 2 of an act relating to certain investments

of public funds by public agencies. Third reading of the

bill.''


tive Hyde.'l

Henry Hyde: '.Ah, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Genkleme'n'of

the Hcuse, House Bill 4479 requires a1l public agencies in

the state to invest money that theylre hoM ing in banks or

savings and loans or other investments where they may earn

interestM The purpose of this is to require county treas-

urers and ah clerks of courts end what have you io invest

these monies rather than let them sit around idly and not'earn interest, and so ah this bill did receive the support

of the Treasurer of the State of Illinois énd many otherpersons and was unanimously passed by the House Executive

Committee and solicit your unanimous support as well.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''ls there ény discussicn? The questionis shall House Bill 4479 pass? All

,those in favor signify

by saying 'Yeas'e the opposed by voting 'No'. Have a11

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'ho wished? Take the record. on this question, ther .voted w

are l5O 'Yeas' and no 'Nays' and this bill having received

the ccnstitutional majority is hereby declared passed.

House Bill 4480..'


add sections to an act concerning county treasurers, in

counties containing more than 150,000 inhabitants, and

concernibg public funds within their custody and control

and the interest thereon, and to repeal a1l acts or part of

abts in conflict therewith. Third reading of the bill.''

Hon. W . Robert Blair: t'The gentleman from Cock y Representa-

tive Hyde.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''Thank you. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen

of the House, this is the identical bill, cnlv this applies

to spqfically to county treasurers of those counties that

have a population in excess of 150,000 and in those countie

and there are 12 of them, those county treasurers will be

required.each month to give a report to the county board

listing the place of investment, the date of investment and

the rate of interest earned. And this report will also be

a report a public record. This, too. received the support

of the Treasurer of the State of ïllinois and was unanim-

ously passed by the House Executive Committee and I solicit

your similar support-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: HIs there any discussion? The gentle-

man from Cook, Representa'tive Maragos.'.

samuel C. Maragos: î'Representative Hyde why do you limit

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it only to counties over 150:000?'.

Henry Hyde: NAh, the reason for that is first of a11 the

only thing wç're imposing on them is reporting. The same

imposition of investment by all public agencies and by all'

county treasurers was in the previous bill, 4479. This ah

has the additional requirement of a muçh needed monthly

report, and we felt that counties of over 150,000 would

not be a major undertaking ah personnel wise and administra

tion wise to make this monthly report . Ah, that's the

main reason. Another reason is that this law is currently

makes the distinction in these counties that we are amend-i

ing, so we just followed it out. didn't want to imposea burden on smaller public agencies to make this' monthly

report.''

Hcn. Robert Blair: ''Any further discussion? The questicn

is shall House Bill 4480 pass? Al1 those in favor will

vote 'Yeas' and the opposed 'No'. Have a1l voted who wish?

The Clef; wi' 11 take the record. On this question, thereare 152 lyeas' and no 'Nays. and this bill having received

the constitutional majority is hereby declared passez.4 l 8 8 . ''


amend Sections of 'The Illinois Highway Code'. Third

reading of the bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentxeman from Knox, Mr. MeMaster.'

A. Thomas Mchlaster: I'AIA Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen#

of the House, ah this is a bill that would require the

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. 148.

certification of the township road district tax levy up to

the town Board o: Audit6rs rather than only to the Township

Road Commissioner as it has been in the past. I would urge

you: support-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? The question is shall

House Bill 4188 pass? Al1 those in favor will vote 'Yeas'

and the opposed 'No'. Have a1l voted who wished? The

Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are

l36 'Yeas' and no 'Nayé' and this bill having received the

constitutional majcrity hereby declared passed. House

Bill 3620.''


amend Section 20 cf 'The Revenue Ack of 1939% Third read-

ing of the bi11.''

Hon W Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook Mr.

'Bermah-''

Arthur L. Berman: NThank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gen-

tlemen of the House, Hcuse Bill 3620 is bill which would

bring the Guality of assessment into real estate tax assess

ment procedures. The bill applies to counties over 200,-

OO0 in conformity with the constitution and it merely state

.that condominium homes be assessed at the same level of

assessment as a single family residency. Many of us who

have condominiums homes in our districts have found that

assessments procedures are such that they have been assess-

ed in thë past, a formula indicating that they are high

rise ineome producing properties, when in fact the profit

element is not present in condominium homes and that they

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149.

should be assessed the same w:y es some of them in

residences. The bill was presented to the House Revenue

committee was passed out 10 to ncthing out of the Revenue

committee. I know that there was a great deal of interest

in the procedures of reassessment and this would bring the

1 being overdegree cf equity tc the people who are present y

assessed condpminium homes'. urge your favorable sup-

'

port . ''

Hon. W.' Robert Blair: ''Is there disçussion? The gentleman

from McHenry, Mr. Lindberg. ''

George W. Lindberg: ''Ah, Representative Bennan, doesthis will

this do anything to expedite the equalization of real

estate that is for example separated by the county line of

Cook and Lake. the property all Lying in a single taxing

district, sueh as the barrington School District, wherethere is a disparity of 3œ$ assessment in Lake County and

23% in Cook County. Will this bill give any relief in that

Y XC Z ? ' '

Arthur L. Berman: ''Ah, I don't think it would directly, butwhat it would do is this, that ah the leMel of assessment

between single family residences in each of thecounties

would have to be uniform as both single family residences

and condominiums. Ah, I think it's along the same lines as

the purpose that you point out, but I'm not sure if it

would aetually address itself to that particular problem .''

Hon . Robert Blair : ''The gentleman f rorn McLean Mr . Hall . ''#

'

Harber H. Hall: HMr. Speaker, Ladies anû Gentlemen of the.% : -;k * ' ? .,.. $ < (z w...w o ,

s s jy M j.l j. y, t ... .ï T1 . G E N E R A L A; l k'Y '' . zlt. w ! s v a . c o s 1 u u l u o I sI >8x L ,'kx' k.C JJ ' ' e1 o u s s o s a e: p r4 c s c sl n' A. 'r I u c st C t' ..1. ' h *%*

House, I rise in support of this bill. I think the fact

of co'ndominium type family residences here tp stay and

f ind it downstate as well as presently as is wide spreadI

in the City of Chicago. I think the technicality cf the

suggestion as raised by Representative Berman in 3620 is

a very good one and I think we should pass it.''

Hon. W.Robert Blair: HFurther discussion? . The gentleman

care to close? The question is shall House Bill 3620 pass?

A11 those in favor vote 'Yeas' and the opposed 'No'. Have

al1 voted who wished? The Clerk will take the recori On

this question, Maragos, .

samuel C. Maragos: ''No, want to ask a questicn.''

Hon. W . Robert Blair: nLaurino, 'Yeas'. Brenne, 'Yeas'.

You want to explain your vote and ask your question?p

Samuel C. Maragos: ''No, want to ask 'a question, whether 'l

can become co-sponsor before it leave the House on the

record. On this bill. like leave of the Hoyse to be-

come a ço-sponsor.''

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''On,. mMcLendon, 'Yeas'. Jaffe,

you want to be co-sponsors? I suggest we see the bill

passes first, and then we'll comebback to your request.

On this question, there are 145 'Yeas' and vno 'Nays' and

this bill having received the constitutional majority ishereby declared passed. Now: those members desiring to

beecme cc-sponsors. if you'll identify yourselves. The

gentleman from Cook, Maragos, has ask leave to be added as

a co-sponsor. Mr. McLe'ndon asks leave. Mr. Jaffe. Harber

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Hall, Mr. Hudson: Mr. Lenard. Mr. Pierce, Mr. Katz, Mr.

B. B. Wolfe, Mr. O'Hallaren, Mr. Manny Mr. Yourell, Mr.

Garmisa, Mr. Bluthardt, Mr. Brenne. Al1 right, ah, now

are there any others? Do these gentleman have leave to be

added so as co-sponsors? right, they will be added.

The gentleman from Cook, Mr . Simmons.''

Arthur E. Simmons: ''Ah, Mr. Spebker. may I be recorded

'Present' on that roll call. And I'd like to explain my

vote' . Ah,

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Go ahead.''

Arthur E. Simmons: ''I haven't determined whether or not this

was the possibility of someone building a eondominium and

then owning al1 of the condominiums and renting them out

as income provision property. Therefore, I'd like to be

voted 'Present'.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''All right. 4329.''

Jack O'Brien: ''Hcuse Bill 4349.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Take it out of the record. 4338.''

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 4338. bill for an act to amend

the State Housing Act. Third reading of othe bi1l.''

Hcn. Robert Blair: ''The gentlemen from Cook, Mr. Bluthardt ''

Edward E. Bluthardt: ''Ah, Mr. Speaker and Members of the

House, this bill would amend the State Housing Act to pro-

vide that the Department of Local Government Affairs may

spend money from the housing fund for the administration

and operation of the Office of Housing and Building. The

Housing Fund servbz é:s a depository for unused funds recov-

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ered frcm local housing authorities and land cle4rance

commissions. Under the .present statute, the Department

may make allocations and expenditures from the HousingFund for housing ah grants to loeal housing authorities,and land clearance commissions and they make allocationsto the Illinois Housing Development Authority for newhousing developient authority acts which grants loans andso forth made pursuant to that act

. Inasmuch as all theactivities of the office of Housing and Building would in-

volve the serving of local housing autiorities and manage-

ment of housing funds, proposed that the expenditures'of the Housing fund be permitted for administration and

operation of the housing and buildings in the same mannerexpenditures are now permitted tooperate the IllinoisHousing Authority. I'd appreciate ypur vcte. And. with .Brian Duff's support, I'd appreciate it if you'd show it

by a green light and a 'Yeas' vote.''

Hon. Robsrt Blair: 'tDiscussion? The gentleman from Cock,

Mr. Lechowicz.''

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: ''How much money is in the HousingFund to begin with?''

Edward Bluthardt: ''Do you want the first question cr theseccnd question?''

Thaddeus S . Lechowicz: 'lFi/st question, please. I'd like

ycu to explain just hcw much money is in the HousingCUWY * '1

Edward E. Bluthardt: ''The'14ell with that. Well. Ted,

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153.

can't really answer that, how much money is involved in

the Housing fund. These are fund that are unexpended and

are recalled back into the Housing Fund and I don't have

the least idea how much money is involved here. I only

know that as another interest is, that money can be used

or could be used for the administration of that Department.

And there is any I think that this would be ceunteraeted

by the reduction in the appropriation of the of the' Depart-

ment of Local Governmental Affairs. But I really can't

answer the question as to how much money is invclved in it.'

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: ''How much money would they anticipate

spending for administration for the Local Government Affair ,

wedre reviewing their budget for the next fiscal year in

Appropbations and I don't see any popsibility, in fact it

wasn't even brought up as far as a reduction in the agency'

budget.''

Edward Bluthardt: ''Well, I'm sure that it will reflect in

a in a xreduction of that budget, but in the amount of

dollars and cents, I can't tell you that.n

: Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen

of the House, I soundly urke that the membership seriously

consider this matter. think that it's a very important

bill taking away the Unit of Local Government Affairs the#

'

power to draw monies from a Housing Fund, E dollars which

we would not know and to use this money for the administra-

tive aspect of this locfl government affairs agency.

think a bad bill and should be defeated.''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. 'Shea.''

Gerald W. Shel: HWill the sponsor yield fcr a question?''

Hon. w. Rcbert Blair: ',He indicates he'll yield.''

Gerald w. shea: ''Ah, Representative Bluthbrdt, would the

Housing Development Bond cr this Development Fund originall

had $100 million in it. Last yeaè we increased the auth-

orâzaticn from $100 milliop to $500 million. Now, as

read this bill, this would allow the Department to expend

any and al1 of that $500 million for administration pur-

poses and we would pay for that with 20 year bonds or 25

year bonds, is t'hat correcta''

Edward E. Bluthardt: ''No, I don't think so at all. We refer

here to unused funds of a local hcusing authority apd land

clearance commission, where thev have failed to expend the

entire amount allofted .to ihem and that money has'been Ve-

called by the Housing Authority. I don't think there is

anything outstanding about this, certainly I'm not going

>to extend the millions of dollars that you refer to for

the purposes of administering tieir offices. Ah, thatthat's kind of ridiculous, I think, ah again there's nothin

new here, because this is exactly what we're permitting the

Illinois Housing Authority Development to do, so if it

. is not new and would ah.

Gerald Shea: ''Well would you have any objections to#

holding this until we can go throuéh it one more time.''

Edward E. Bluthardt: ''Not at 011.,,

Gera ld W . Shea : '.Al1 right . .'

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Hon. Robert Blair: ''Further discussion? Take it out of

the reccrd. 4339.''

Jack O'Brien: ''Hou'se Bill 4339. A bill for an act to amend

Section 5 of an act to ineorporate the Illinois Central

Railroad Company. Third reading of the bill.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Lake, Mr. Conolly.''

John H. Conolly: t'Mr. Speaker, this bill is historical bill' that I think Ehe Governor of the State of Illinois knew

should be reconciled and therefore I would ask for your

support of this bi11.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nIs there. .''

John H. Conolly: ''This bill takes the Governor off as

member of the Illinois Central Board of Directcrs. He was

put on this, not this Governor, but the Governor previously

was put on this commission back in the 1850s. The Governcr

has asked to be relieved of this position and I therefore

this is legislation which would release him from this' pos-

ition to-the' consent of the ccmpany. Therefore, I would

ask an affirmative vote of this House.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman frqm Cock, Mr. Shea. ''

Gerald W. shea: ''Jphn why, John why do we need the approval

of the I.C. Railroad?''

John H. Conolly: ''Because this is the Uay that the Legisla-

tive Reference Bureau adopted the bi11.''

Gerald W. Shea: mean, meon it seems kind of funny to'sit and pass a law if itts a11 right with the I.C. Rail-

road . '1

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John Conolly: ''We11, .''

Gerald W. shea: ''I think we should take rather an affirmative

stand, either we're going to pass

John W. Conolly: nAbraham Lincoln in his .wisdom drew this

bill and his consent preceded this legislation.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cöok , Mr. Maragos.''

Samuel C. Maragosz ''I would like the sponsor to relieve the

response of Abraham Lincoln-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: l'The gentlemam from Boone, Mr. Cunning-ham.l'

Lester Cunningham: ''Perhaps I could help Representative

Conolly out. We have, we probably classify Lineoln as one

of the greatest fellows as far as President and he put it

out and now one of the greatest Governors of the State of

Illinois is going t.o ask to take it off.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Katz.''Harold A. Katz: ''Ah Mr. Speaker: I am sure that the reason

that thsxbill was drafted tiat way is that there is aUnited States Supreme Court dacision and there was recentl

y ! ..

an Illinois Supreme Court decision upheld that when the

legislature by act creates a corpöration, that it becomes

effective right and that future generations, of legislators

can not change that and in fact the provision regarding tax

benefits to private universities was invalidated on that

very grounds. With the consent of the person that was thebeneficiary, we would no longer be violating such a

n agree-ment and itwould constftute a valid enactment

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Tbe gentleman from Cook, Mr. Mann.''

RobertE. Mann: 'fMr. Speaker and Members of the House. I thin' that this is a very good bill and'l think thait when the

does something right, we should commend him re-'Governor

gardless of political parties, and I say that with particul'r

reference to the Illinois Central Railrcad, because of the

proliferation of high rises that the I.C. industries are

playing along th'e lake front and in my judgment it wculd

be definite conflict of interest fok the Governor to re-

ain on the board under those cir'cumstances , and I want tom

commend him on taking the initiative with regard to this

particular bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Lake , Mstijev-ich . '.

John S. Matijevich: ''Ah would the sponsor yield to a ques-#'

tional'.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates he'll yield-''

John S. Matijevich: ''Ah, John, the Governor is not going toyA*

come in now and ask that he be Director of Amtrack, is he?''

John H. Conolly: '1Ah, pardon me, didn't hear that particula

question.''

John S. Matijevich: ''Ah,. . .Mr. Speaker and Members of the

House, I concur with Representative Monn that this nec-

essary legislation. After all, the Governor has been sit-

ting as a Director of this company and he in his high pos-ition hasn't been able to control the late requests of the

kllinois Central Railroad, so I think that he might as well

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get off

Hon. Robert Blair: nIs there. further discussion? The

gentleman from Lake, Mr. Conolly, care to close?''

John H. Conolly: ''I would like to point out, Mr. Speaker,

that a1l Governors since about 1554 have served upon this

board. And also, I think that you should reeognize that

the Illinois Commerce Commission is an independent body

and would hope that this Governor or any previous Governor

would noE try to influence the independent board of the

Illinois Commerce commission. I'm sure that the previous

speaker was being facetious inhis remarks' and therefore

urge the adoption of the bill.when the Governor feels that

his that it is the proper thing not to serve on a' certain

board, I think we should a1l agree with him and adopt this

bi1l.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''All right, the' question is shall House

Bill. .the gentleman from Lake, Mr. Matijevich, for whatvw- '

is your point. please.''

John S. Matijevich: ''My point is I thought that the billhad reference to the Illinois Central'Railroad and not the

'

Illinois Comle rce Commission. Am right or wrong there?''

John H. Conolly: ''You're. . ''

John S. Matijevich: ''You referred to the Governor influencing

the Illinois Commerce Commission.

John H. fonolly: ''I was concerned with his' status with theIllinois Central Railroad, in the bill itself. ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A1l right, the question is shall House

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Bill 4339 pass? A11 those in favor vote 'Yeas' Pnd the'

ed 'Nay' The gentleman from Cook Mr. Duff, to ex-OppOS . ,

plain his vote.''

Brian Duff: ''Ah Mr. Speaker, I'm voting 'Yeas' because#

John Matijevich has shown us that the Governor is on the

right track.''

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''Have a11 voted who vished? Take the

record. On this question, there are l58 'Yeas' and no

'Nays' and this bill having received the constitutional

majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4543.'.


Article VII to 'The Illinois Insurance Code'. Third read-

ing of the bill-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Epton.''

Bernard E. Epton: ''Thank vou, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gen-

tlemen of the House ah this is a bill which covers a de/ic-

iency which this legislature brings. I think that you al1

mi ht be interested in the problem that comes out . The(J .

article which we ' re correcting proposed addition p authoriz-

ing the assistance of advisor organizations to compile

statistics and disseminate them to the insurance industry .

And the reason that this bill is now neceqsary is because

the advisory organizations should be regulated and they

were regulated by the Department of Insurance prior to

August 1, 1971. Illinois could be faeed with federal inter

vention in the anti-trust area if this bill is not passed.

Now, Article XXXV amohg other things regulated advisory

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organizations, but attempted last year to then extend tl4e

time of this article to b0th Senitte Bill 1131 and House

Bill 1568 failed. Now, Gentlemen, Ladies and Gentlemen,

I should emphasize several members of the municipality

have made inquiry as to whether this is a rate making bill.

It is not, this bill is not a rate making bill. 1'11 be

happy to answer any questionà that regard . But I think

you should know that as similar to the Article XXXV, only

in that it provides for. the licensing and regulating of

advisory organizations and many people feel strongly and

with good reason because the Department of Insurance has

the right to regulate insurance rates in this state. You

are a11 aware that under the laws we have failed to enact,

the depaftment has plenty oE authority whatsoever. This

bill is not an attempt to help insurance companies, it's

not an attempt to help anybody. but the average person in

. insurance. 1.11 give you a specific example. This bill

came about as a result of inquiry by several brokers in the

Illinois Insurance Study Commission. If somebody has a

building, for example, and want to get $500,000.00 worth vof

insurance on today thai broker must go to several dif-

ferent companies to get not seve/al quotations, but to get

one quotation for the amount of insuranee that he may carry

so conceivably, you could have situation where a broker

could go to ten companies, get ten different rates, and the

go ahead and give you th'e customer a bill with ten differen

premiums, a11 adding up, cf course, to the one premium.

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think that we should recognize that as recently there

was an article last week in Insurance Underwriter. the

comment was made and this is insurance briefery, that

Illinois open reading was a 1aw which allowed to expire

by the state legislature which in fact was not replaced

with another system . That state ncw has the purest law of

open competition yet. I think that this bill simply allows

the advisory' organizations to provide statistics to com-

panies to use as they see fit. And I would solicit your

vote as well as any questions you might have.''

Hon. Rcbert Blair: ''All right, for what purpose does the

gentleman from Cook , Mr. Simpons, rise?''

Arthur E. Simmons: ''Mr. Speaker: I believe we adopted a floor

amendment number three ymsterday on this bill and don't h ve

copy of I just wonder if they've been distributedz''Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Ah, wedrè trying to get this straight-

ened out right now, with the sponsor, there appears to be

some question about the various amendments. The gentleman

from Ccok, Mr. Shea. ''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Mr. Speaker, I think that we were in Ehe

process of discpssing this bill yesterday at the time the

Majority Leader asked the Speaker to adjourn. The Speakerthen made the statement, take this bll1 out ot the recordand I believe it would then be that this bill is on secondreading today. The calendar was in error and ah had thiswritten up this morning, the transcription and I believe

the Clerk has ccpy of it, or I can find my copy of it.ll

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr.' Epton.''

Bernprd E. Epton: ''Mr. Speaker, I have no objection. Myimpression was that we had completed the amendments that

had been offered for adoption and' I thöught that in the

confusion that we had oecepted the amendments, however

since there is some questions out, I would then move to

return it to second reading for the adoption of the amend-

ments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A1l right, cloes the gentleman have

leave? Take the bill back to the order of second reading

for purposes of .amendment? Eor what purpose does the gen-

tleman from Cook, Mr. Shea, rise?''

Gerald W. shea: ''Ah if I read what was transcribed correctly#

the bill is on second reading, could be amended and then be

advanced to the order of third. The calendar could be 'in

error.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''In any event, it's back on second now .

A1l right, noxa. then, I understand that Amendment Number

One is to be tabled, so in order to clarify that'situaticn,the gentleman will renek the adoption of Amendment Nulnber

One and then ask that that amendment be tabled. Does the

gentleman have leave to table? Al1 right. Table Amendment

Number One. Now, the Clerk read Amendment Number Twc.''

Jack O'Brien: ''Amendment Number Two, Epton. Amend House Bill

4543 on #age line 1, by inserting after 'Article UII A'

the following: 'and Cqss- qq---k--;-;-ëi 15 .1 and on page line 7,by deleting 'is' and inserting in lieu thereof 'and section

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155.l7'are'; and on page 1, line 8, by inserting after

'Article' the following: 'and Section'; and on page 7,

by inserting after line l6z the fo' llowing: and so forth.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: HAh the gentleman from Cook, Mr.Epton'''

Bernard E. Epton: 'fMr. Speaker: Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, Amendment Nuneer Two exactly duplicates Amendment

Number One. It was passed unanimously in committee. There

was a typographical error, however, in Amendment Number One

and that's been changed from 200,000 to 2.000,.000, so that

it will cover only the city of Chicago. I move the adoptio

of Amendment Number Twe.''


Gerald W . shea: ''This amendment, as I çead it, would pro-

hibit Company A from setting rates ah higher in one dis-trict than in another than another always in a municipalityof over 2 million, is that right?n

Bernard E. Epton: ''Correct.''

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Gerald W. Shea; '' soe in effect it's a either a rate making

or a rate prohibitor?''

Bernard E. Epton: ''No, no, it's not. What this simply means

is that if ah state Farm or Allstate were to charge $170.00in the north side of Chicago, they would have to charge

$170.00 in the south side of Chicago and the east side andthe west side. It doesn't set any rate

. It simply says

the company ean not vary 'its rates from one area to another ''Gerald W. Shea: ''Well, what about, as I read it I have three

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children under 25 driving and somebody else has no children

under 25 driving, does that mean that my rate and their

rate have to be the same?''

Bernard Epton: ''Nc, it simply means that rates can not be

determined by means of a geographic boundary. In other

words, a1l fees being equal, the man with three children

in 'one part of the city with a no accident rate, will be

charged the same as the man with three children in another

section of the city with nc previous accidents.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''so. it addresses itself to rate making is

that right?''

Bernard E. Epton: '''No, not in this sense, Jerry. there's no-thing to do with saying what the rate the company shouldcharge. The company any company can charge whatever rateis legally permiss ible to do soe but it avoids, fœ example,in chicago, we have four zones, simply geographic limita-

tions. This will prevent the geographic designations.

Purely and pimply-''A

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Further discussion? On the amendment.On the amendment. Mr. Maragos.''

Samuel C. Maragos: 1'Mr. Epton, Bernie, what does this amend-

ment do with the maih bill that yru are submitting herewhieh really adds the new article hexe

. I still don't know,because you're talking here in the article about advisoryorganizations. .are these advisory organizations going toput this amendment in'rate making powers

, tco? I don't

understand.''

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Bernard E. Epton: ''NO, what happened here this was This

Amendment was Bill that Representative Yourell previously

introduced. Itepassed the Insurance Conrittee in its en-

tirety. But, fortunately the Bill, however, changed a..

Section of the Act which is no longer existent. was

attached on to the previous prior open reading. With this

open reading no longer in existence, we had to have some

viable act to' put this on. And since this is the next one

khat came up, we eimply elected to do so.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Merlo.''

John Merlo: HRepresentative Epton, like for you to answer

a question, if you will, please? Where it's true that per-

haps there will be uniformity as far as Districts are con-

cerned; however, who determines what the charges would be

on a particular type of insurance? Does this go back to'

the Director of Insurance for final apprcval or serutinya''Beçnard E. Epton: ''Wel1, 1et's. . . let's.. We're speaking of

only thil ARendment. One, it does not go back to anybody

for approval. Director of Insurance, Rçpresentative Merlo,

today has nc saysc whatsoever over the establishment on any

rates. Those of you who have been advised otherwise hovebeen advised in error.

'A Directof couldn't change a rate

if his life depended on This simply has to do withGeo... simply says that Company A cr Ccmpany C

or anycompany can not divide the City of Chicago different'

for their rate making purposes. The Director has noareas

conkrol over tiat now or in the future. As makter of fact,

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I should add, that this has been done because some of the

Companies would like to go back to the old scheme of things'

b t beceuse of litigation, they Breas far as the one aree, u

unable to do so voluntarily. And that's why this Amendment

was put on with their test cf approval.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Mr. Me<lo.''

John Merlo: ''Mr. Speaker, I withhold this question and ask it

at the time the Bill is peesented. ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright. any further discussion? Al

tùose in favcr of the adopkion of the Amendment say 'aye':opposed 'nol the 'ayes' have it

.. . Okay. The 'ayes' have i#

and the Amendment's adopted. Are there further Amendments?

Jack O'Brien: nAmendment No . 3, Epton, amends Hcuse Bill 4543

on page 3, line 21, by deletinu 'effordable' and insertingin lieu thereof 'reasonable' and on page 4

. line 2O, by.

deleting 'unfairly discriminatory' and inserting in lieu

thereof 'unfair or unreasonable' and on line 25, by de-

leting 'these' and inserting in lieu thereof 'any groupassoeiation ort; and on line 26. by deleting 'these and in-

serting in lieu thereof 'such'; and on line 28, after the

word 'activities' by inserting the following: 'relative toindividual risks'; and on page 5

, line 24, by deletinq 'un-

fairly discriminatory' and by inserting in lieu thereof 'unfair or unreasonable'; ond cn line 29

, by deleting 'may'. ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman from Cock, Mr. Epton.''

Bernard E. Epton: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House: I move the adoption of Amendmënt No . 3 which merely

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Changes certain language to ccnform with the requests of th

Directer of Insurance.'' .

Hon. W. Rebert Blair: ''The gentleman frcm Ccok, Mr. Duff.''

Brian B. Duff; ''would the sponsor ankwer o question, please?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates he will.''

Brian B. Duff; ''Ah.. Bernie, ah.. I onty heard this, ah.. and

I've read it and you have indicated ah.. that it was sug- '

gested by the Director of Insurance and yet it wasn't offer d

before the Insurance Committee. The question that comes

to my mind is the words that I think I heard changed which

I was thinking of on previous question... on the previous

' Amendment ah... the words in the Insurance Aet which allow

the ah.. whieh set the general standard for ah.. rate makin. 11 :

in the Insurance Industry in Illinois that say that no rate

maybe unfair.. shou'ld exceksive inadequate or unfairly 'dis-

criminatory. And if I heurd correctly, I believe that thes

words chanqe that standard whieh has existed as a norm

in insurance underwriting in Illinois for decades. Is that '

correct.'' .

Bernard E. Epton: ''You're correct insofar as it used to be.

but since we've failed to renew those rate making regula- '

tions, those norms no longer exist. An the Director-.this

. Bill is prepared by the study commission. And the Director

felt that while we were making the change rather than use

the words 'unfairly discriminatory' which have a rather

vague and unpleasant connotation, the proper use would be.

'. .

'unfair or unreasonable'. So al1 he's doing is changingin effect these words 'unfairly discriminatory' to 'unfair '

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or unreasonable' which hencefcrth will be the criteria for

rate decisions if there are ever passed by this legislature.'.

Brian B. Duff: ''Wel1... those words ah.. have been tested in

the Courts ah.. for years and are a literal bench mark

and have been and I'm curious to why this ah.. rather po- '

tentially profound Amendment wasn't offered in the Insuranc

Committee this week.''

Bernard E. Epton: ''For the obvicus reason, we didn't think

it was potentially profound. The fact is it is just a

question of semantics and we don't have any law today which

sayk 'unfairly discriminatory'. That 1aw no longer exists. ' '

'Unfair or unreasonable' is the words preferred by the De-

partment of Insurance and the Diredkor. And I'm nc particu

lar ah- .gran=atical scholar but if that's what they prefer

from a legal basis, I see no objecticn to it.n

Brian B. Duff: 'tThank you-'' . '

Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Any further discussion? Al1 those in'

favor of the adoption of the Amendment say 'aye', opposed

'no', the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment.'s adopted. Are

there further Amendments?''

' Jack o'Brien: ''Amendment No. 4, Epton, amends House Bill 4543

- on page 1, line 17 by d.eleting th'e first comma and insertin p

in lieu thereof the following: 'or.an insurance trade asso

' and by inserting after the second comma 'or'; and . 1ciation ;I

on line 18, by deleting '. tiiil' and inserting in lieu there. of 'and'; and by deloting al 1 of line l9; and on line 20 by

deleting 'research, and (v)' and by inserting in lieu there1 1 .:'..u' h I I I . . .

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169.Hon. w. Robert Blair: ''Mr. Emton.''

. Bernard E. Epton: ''Mr. Speaker: Ladies and Gentlemen, as you

can see that as long as we.re in the process of making

these Amendments, the Legislative Reference Bureau found

three cversights in drafting and these are simply grammati-cal corrections and I move khe adoption of Amendment No. 4.'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? A1l those in favor of the' adoption of the Amendment say 'aye'

, opposed 'no' the 'aye '

have it and the Amendment's adopted. Further Amendments?

Third reading. Third reading. 2733.1'

Jaek OtBrien: ''House Bill 2733. a bill foy an act to amend

Sections of the 'Timber Buyers Licensing Act'. Third

' reading of the Bill..'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Jackson, Mr. Willia s.''Gale Jackson: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Hcuse

,

House Bill 2733 is a Bill that clarifies the 'Timber Buying '

Act' It's a cumbersome procedur'e for b0th the Buyef and

the Grower.. And al1 this Bill does is clarify the Act and. ve

I know of no opposition to it. It came out of Committee

with an unanimous vote back some time ago and I would. ' appreciate it a favorable vcte now. ''

' . 1Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''èurther discu'ssion? The que

stion is $. ' .4shall House Bill 2733 pass? A11 those in favor of vote -'

j'ayel: cpposed 'no' Have al1 voted who wished? The clerk '#will take the record. On this question.. l46 'Ayes', no.'Nays'. This Bill having received the constitutional ma-

' jority is hereby passed. 4329. ..

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Jack O'Brien: nHouse Bill 4329, a bill for an act to amend

. the 'state property control Act'. Third reading of the Bil .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Johnson, Mr. Mc-

Cormick.'' '

C. L. Mccormick: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, this Bill ah.. amends the sale of the surplus proper

ty in the State of Illinois to allow loéal Governmental

. . units... I guçss it's actually a second choice at the sur-

plus prcperty. Now, I've worked on this for a couple of

three years, trying to figure out a way that lccal govern-

mental units cculd have advantage of property that Stete h

Agencies.. that State Agencies was to ah.. dispose of. At

the present time, it builds up a couple of times a year,

they have a sale o'ut here at the Fairgrounds and is practi-

cally given away. When actually in the local government

units, they can't afford to buy as near as good of mer- .

chandise as the state is getting rid of. And 1... it. was

in Committee thoroughly heard and I don't believe there was. .M '

any opposition. And I would certainly appreciate ah .. a

vote on this-n

. ' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. discussion? Al1 those in

favor vote 'aye' opposed 'no'. Have a1l votèd who wished?#

The Clerk will take the record. 1'n this question, there ar

137 'Ayes', and 2 'Nays'. This Bill having received the

constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. Alright..

Fith leave of the House, we will now go to the order of' Motions. Ah.. yesterday, some of these motions ah . . was '

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the second legislative day and the ah . . minority leader and

I agreed yesterday a when we ah. . properly adjourned that' ah.. we would ah.. have that role 'suspended so that those

motions could be considered today. So, ah.. the MajorityLeader asked that we suspend the rule that ah

. . provides for

motions to take from the table ahk. to be lcnger than two

days, namely three days which would include today. So# to

leave to suspend the rules so that those motions could be

considered today. Alright. . ah.. on 6he order cf motions

appears a motion with respect of House Bill 3777. The gentl -

man frcm Macon, Mr. Borchers.''

Webber Borchers: ''Pursuant to Rule 48, I move that House Bill

3777 be taken from the table and placed cn the Calendàr iftthe order of Second reading. And now, in committee this

Bill was defeated 5 to 4, do nct pass. The Mayor of Collins

ville, the Mayor of Pekin, one of the Leaders of the Constru -

tion Industries in the State of Illinois and others appeared.

For example, the Mayor of Collinsville ah. . testified that

it cost $28,000. dollars just to take leaves out of the

Sewer Systems which they have never had to do before.

might point out that this does only one thing. gives to

the local government whether it be. a County, state,

County cr a Township or a municipality, the right to decide

khemselves local control of just burning of brush and trees.

Now, I haven't... if ycu will grant this and put it on

Second reading, I have an.Amendment khat I will call to-m'orrow that will ah . . leave all land fields unaer control

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ccmpletely under burning regulations of Environmental Pro-

tection Agency. I do not intend and do not want anymore

. than I'm sure any one here a ccntinuing fire going on in th .

landfi.ll. But in our tcwn, as an example, in our commun'i-

ty, I have the article with me in the mile and a half sewer

line as of lpril the 28th , this year, it cost $50.000. dol-

lars more... it will cost $50.000. dollars more to construc

this sewer line because we have to carry away and bury brus

and logs. This ah.. the continuation of the Environmental

Protection Agency: the rutes on tie burning of leaves or

not permitting the burning of leaves or brush Downstate wil '

cost the people Downstate millions of dollars. The cost fo

the construction of Lakes will be increased in one case,

$3,000,000. dollars because 'again, the necessity of taking

brush and logs and ah.. burying them. Now, some rule chang s

have been suggested by the Environmental Protection Agency

to make it possible that a town of a thousand, of under a ;Ith

ousand will not be subject to these rules. This is far 1f rom adequate . You take Blue Mound of over 1 2OO and just

ia few over 1,200 people, it is illegal to do any burning of '

leaves within a mile of that ccmmunity. The cost to our

, sanitary districts, our municipalities, the municipal leagu '

wants a change in this law, testified to this effect. A

Representative was there and testified to this effeet thak

they wanted to have a change drawing the Downstate connuni-ties to handle these matters themselves. Now anyone under

Ehis.. under this, if this beccmes a 1aw anyone, any muni-

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cipality or county can make their own rules subject to thei

own needs, but certainly we are destroying the Democratic

right of municipalities and Uounties and local entities to

make the decksions that are very vital to us Downstate.

remind you that it'll take miltions of dollars this year by

next January that's going to cost the Downstate municipalitles

unress we change this rule. It does not effect, in any way,

any land f'i 1. 1. I have a letter here in my file just re-

ceived yesterday from a widow, 80 years old, that had to

spend from Social Security money $15.00 for plastic bags to

carry away leaves. I've had many, many ccmplaints, I'm sur

others have here also, many complaints concerning this mat-

ter and frankly, I wonder who owns the plastic bag stock in

this State: becaus'e they are certainly making a killing, bu

what happens... what is hsppening in the landfields by

this plastic bag is that twice this amount of space is be-

ing taken up in the market in the fall months than normally

used and thereby eliminating some of the landfield spaceA '

we need for other real refuse. Now, all we want Downstate,the Municipal League, the Contractors of the State of lllin

ois, Mayors, the people. . . a11 we want is just the right toburn our own brush, oùr pwn leaves and our

. . the logs insewer contract, etcw 'etc. , having to burying them . And

ask the other gentlemen here, who I know have things to say

about this ah.. help out and give some their views on thismatter.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman frcm Union, Mr. Choate.n

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Clyde L. Choate: ''We1l. . Mr. Speaker: Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, I certainly share with Representative Borchers

concern as far as this problem existing and especially the

smaller communities in Downstate Illincis. However, I have. talked to the Environmental peoples and I have been satisfi-d

as far as they are concerned. They have convinced me that

they are gcing to hold meetings throughout, especially Down

state Illincis. They're goinq to have the Mayors and peopl s

who are Xuffected by some of the things that Representative

Borchers has been talking about. In these meetings they

are going to try to work out an amiable solution as far as .

the smaller communities are concerned. Now, I would also

like to point out that the ban. on leaf burning is not a

new problem, is not a problem that has just been' broughtabout in recent days' weeks, or mcnths or years, because it

has been a part of the Illinois statute since 1967. The'

.

pooution control board, to be quite framk with you. has re-'

.laxed this ban. ' throughout these years and has allowed in. ..,: '' certain znstances the burning of leaves

, in conformance wit

requests frcm various smaller communities. I would say,. Mr. Speaker, that I think we would be acting in haste if we

passed the Bill under question here today. I would think

that we would be acting in haste because as I have said,

the Environmental Protection Agency is attempting to bring

a solution about so that they can relieve the financial'

conditions that might exist in some of Vhe smaller communi-ties without disturbing the poxution control as far as theya re uble to bring it about tlArouqhout the Stu te

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I say to you: Mr. Speaker, that we should give the Agency

fuçther opportunity to work this out within the rules

èi f that Agency. So. therefore Mr. ipeaker, 'and con nœ o ,I oppose the moticn tc bring the Bill out. And if it is

brought out, I would oppose the Bill on the floor of the

House. So, we might as well get the thing over with and

done today and austain the Committee action to give the

Agency the right to work within the framwork of their Organ'-

zation, and go ahead and do this job that this legislature

has charged it with the responsibility of doing and that is

to bring poxution control to the State of Illinois.''

Hop. W. Robert Blafr: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Burditt.'l

George M. Burditt: ''Mr- Speaker, Ladies and Gentlmen of the

House. I would like to support the statements that Uere

just made by the distinguished minority leader. I also' ris

in opposition to this motion to take the Bill from the tabl .

The arguments have been very well expressed by the minority

leader. There's very little that I can add to them exceptA

that r have also spoken to the ah .. head of the Envircnmen-

tal Protection Agency, the former Representative Blaser.

He has assured me that his Agency intends to take anotherlook at this matter. I've also spoken to the Chairman of

the PoLution Control Board, Dave Curry, and the PoRutionControl Board intends to take another look at this matter.Ah.. we have been assured that there will be further con-sideration, further heansngs, and hôpefully, some kind of

relie'f given to the spaller communities. I should also

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point 6ut that ah.. this House is getting into the act, be-

cause Representative Blades, believe, has introduced'

resolution ah.. requesting that the Agencies take a look at

so, we are on record as Members of the Legislature ah..

to the Downstate ccmmunities that this is an important mat-

ter and we do expect the Administbative Agencies to do thei

job in ccnsidering these prcbzems whâch will be created. Ah..

I agree thoroughly with what Mr. Choate has said about the

administrative discretion which must be left with the

Agencies if we're going to do the job that we .must do in

this area of combating porutfon. I would urge also: Mr.Speaker, and Members of the Housee that this motion be de-

feated.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The qentleman from Cook: Douglas.''

Bruce L. Douglas: ''Mr. Speaker, I think that there is very

important principl e that we must consider in voting on this

mction. And I wculd like in responding to Representative

Borcherfy comments ubout giving each municipality the so

called 'Democratic right' to make a decision about whether

or not it should burn leaves. To bring to the attention of

the House that the principie of gkving each municipality th

right to cpntaminate its' environment is one that this leg-islature should not be a part of. And I would say that the e

clear enough evidence to indicate that burning leaveswhether it's on a farm or whether there's another farm amile away , or whether the're is a building next door is a

contamination the environment . is unheil lthy , it ' s wrongand r think that this leqi s lature should

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before it makes exceptions in this'kind of decision which

' relates to the health of the people that's made by the Polo

tion Control Board. And on princip te as well as in sub-

stance I woild oppose this motion.''#

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman frcm Cook, Mr. Downes.''

John P Downes: ''Mr. Speakery Ladies and Gentlemen of theG j

House, I move the previous question. j

' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Al1 those in favor say 'aye', cpposed. (

'no' the 'ayes' have it. The previous question has been:

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jmoved. The gentleman from Macon, Mr. Borchers, to close.

Webber' Borchers: 'tMr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the * '

!House, I'd like to point out that ah.. I've watched very

' closely the last few years the Environmental Protection

Agency. These g/ntlemen are judge, jury, and executioners.

None of us here should be judge, jury and executioner. Butthat's exaètly what they are. Now, in relation to democrac ,.

they are not operating in a demscratic fashion. They are

ccmpletq dictatorship and a autoeracy. I might point out

that the records from Cambridge University in England over

6OO years old that I have from a Professor ef Chemistry

. ' there, that the breakdown of the oxygen content of the air

by their records over lOO years is exactly the same today

as it was a hundred #ears ago. X hundred years ago. I

might point out that where there's a vo.lcanic erupticn out-

side the lava flow area itself never has there been such a# .

luxudous growth within a year or so after a volcanic erupti n.' The thing is , unfortuna tel.y , we have been led a stray to a

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don't say that must not try to solve them . But in some

ways, we are being led astray by a lot of nonsense and

fanatics. think sçe should take this into account. I to1

you about the oxygen.. T might point out that in this

room right now that people smoking cigarettes. The:lre

absolutely breaking the 1aw of the Environmental Protection

Agency because they are smoking tobacco leaves. And I see

no reason why an old lady or munieipality hasn't the

right to burn leaves when every one.. . many of us here and

in the State everyday by the pack some of you, are burning

leaves. think it works both ways. And I feel more con-

tamination sometxmes in this Chamber than I did in the hon-

est burning cf leaves outside. And I hope you will cver-

ride this ah.. this ah . . motion ah.. to ah.. leave.lt layon the table and ah.. allow me to have' this Bill on second .

reading.''

Hon..W. Robert Blair: ''The question is shall the motion pre-

vail. A11 those in favor will vote 'aye', and tie opposed'no'. Ah.. The gentleman from Lake, Mr. Kleine.''

John Henry Kleine: 9'Mr. Speaker, ah.. Mr. Speaker, refrain

from discussing this, but as Chaiçman of the Environmental

committee which I think is one of the finest Committees in

the State of Illinois, I would just like to say that this

has been well discussed, well thoroughly invéstigated twice

by votes of very fine Represnntative Cunningham and by a

very excellent Representative Borchérs. Much time was give

to the Committee and I see by the Board and I won't take

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the Committee Action cause I think has been most fair. I

would also like to say that the ah. . Agency and the Board' itself is going to tackle this problem forthwith and I

assure you this is the right direction to go .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Have all voked who wished? The Clerk

will take the record. The gentleman from Macon, Mr. Borcher .''

Webber Borchers: ''AK.. I see wh:t the handwriting is on the

wall but I point... tell you folks that ah . . nevertheless

I do nct have quite the confidence in'the change of the

rules and regulations sc speedily as you. Next fall you'r. f

going to have a 1ot more madder people Downstate than you

have now unless something drastic is done. You can thank

God now that I don't ask for a verification.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The quevticn here is 35 'Ayes' and

96 'Nays', and the ah.. motion fails. A1right...412.. Hous

Bill 4128. The gentleman from Ccok, Mr. Fleck.''

Charles J. Fleck: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, this motion is to move House Bill 4128 which is the

lgter control act from the Committee on Appropriations and ,advanced to Second reading. I ve discussed this matter wit

Representative Regner and with the party on the other side

and the appropriation for $10,000 .dollars which is presentl

in the Bill will be taken out on the Second reading. I ask o

for a favorable vote.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Diseussion? The question is shall thi

motion prevail. A1l thos.e in favor will vote 'Aye' and tla#

o'pposed 'No'. Have al1 voted who wished? The Clerk will

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180.take the record. In this question, khere are l32 lAyes',no 'Nays' and the Motion prevails and the bill shall be

placed on the Calendar in the order of Second reading. Al-

right.. Housè Bill 2536. 5fàit a minute.. . 2544. The gentl.-

man from Cook, Mr. Palmer.''

Romie Palmer: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, this is a motion to take frcm t6e table and place

on the Calendar of Second reading House Bill 2544. House

Bill 2544 gives power to the Illinois Commerce Commission

to restrict or prohibit switching. making up or connectilïg

or disconnecting freight cars amongst other things at *

Railroad crossings. The #cwer by the Commerce Conrission

can only be exercised after notice in hearing and the find-

ing that Commercevcommission ah . by the commerce Commissio

of an unreasonable inconvenience or danger to the public is

present. Under this authority, the Commerce Ccmmission

could in heavy traffic density areas restrict the switching'

of freight cars over freight crossings at peak traffic hour ,aA '

that is in the morning or afternoon when people are going

to or cominq from work. But then only if the Commispion

found the inconvenience or danger to the public unreason

able and present. Th'is Bill would help hundreds of thousan s

cf motorists and wage earners, sciool children, commerce an

industry a11 over the State of Illinois. It will save loca

taxpayers over the State millions of dollars by not having

extra policemen and school crossing guards in those areas

with adjacent schools. This Bill gives an additional tool

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to the Commerce Commission which could consider a situation

of soie two years ago when a good portion of the village of

Dalton, Illinois was isolated by reason of two different

freight trains standing on tracks.. In that case, fire

broke out in a school building. It could also help many

people in the area of East St. Lcuis, in Aurora and a11 ove

the Suburban Areé of Cook County and many other areas

the State. Contrary by the propaganda put out by the Rail-

road Lobbyist, it is the first time I've found a Bill which

would specifically give power in this direction. The pre-

sent law direets its 'attention to Railroad equipment,

plants or property as relates to employees, passengers

customer and public. The Chief Railroad Engineer of the

great crossing commission... I'm sorry.. of the Illinois

Commerce Commission and tke Chairman of Ehe Illinois Com.

merce Commission has no objection to this Bi11. Now,

would ask you, in this case, that we do something for the

people of the state of Illihois. It doesn't cost a cent.

It gives the aukhority of the Commerce Commission to act

in those csses where there is unreasonable inconvenienceI

or to the danger of the public as present. I ask that you

vote to sustain this Motion.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Ande -

S C R * ' î

Merle K. Anderson: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, this Bkll came up in Committee the other day . w as

acting chairman the 'absence of the Chairman and I want

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182.to assu're you that we gave it a fsir and clear hearing. I

think Representative Palmer, is doing a very fine job in pr -'

senting the case but we ended up'with a vote of 13 against. '

it and no votes for it. Now, if wefre going to maintain a. Isystem of Committee to work with this House, we can't go :'

(out here and take every Bill that is voted down 13 to nothi g .

and decide to take them off the table . Ladies and Gentlemel,. this was given a very fair hearin: and I would say to vote

'no' on it ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Mcpartlin.''

Robert F. Mcpartlin: ''Ah . Mr. Speaker and Members of the

House, this Bill has... or was in Committee, in fact it was

. a repeat. It has been there for B long time. It really '

doesn't do anything. Thero are 25,000 industries within th '

state that have sidetraeks eonnecting with Railroad name

mines ahd the F'edera l Law now requires tha t the Ra i lroad

must f urnish service . switching cars to and f rom these in-dustries Therefore p I oppose the motion . ''.>

Hon . W . Robert Blair : '' The gentleman f rom Cock , Mr . Phil

Collins . ''

Phillip W. Collins: ''Ah. . Mr.'speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen. of the House, it is extremely rare' thatfl would rise to

support a motion to discharge a Committee; hcwever, in this

instance I think we have a matter of such magnitude ah..

that I feel compelled to do so. Ah.. this question is not

only ah.. a question of inconvenience to motorists. Althcu h,it is on occasion considerably in my District

, but also a

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matter of safety for the public and the motoring public

throughcut this State particularly in the South end of Ccok

County as I know it. Ah.. you cen'drive through my Distric

from one end to the other ah... and be stopped a half a doz

en times by trains ah... would not be a rar %y. Ah.. an-

ticipate going from the Chicago end of our District ahs.

to khe Soukh end by being stopped at least once and cften

three times. Ah.. we ah.. we have crossings on Brennard

Avenue where there are ten tracks and I have been stopped

by.. as many as four times a row ah.. by myself and I'm

sure that others can speak ah.. to longer ineonvenience.

This occasion is cheating on the part of motorists and ah..

it does ereate ah.. a danger factor. Ah.. the attitude

the Railroad seems to be one of eomplete difference.. in-

difference to the public ah.. as indicated in the south end

our District in Calumet City were took 13 fatalities at

. that'crossing before we were suceessful getting gates in-

stalled-by one of the Railroads. I think that this some-

thing that should be brouqht out on the floor. It should be

considered. These Bills are.. are very important and I

would urge the Members of the House to ah.. sustain Represen'a-

tive Palmer in his moticn to discharge the Committee.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The qentleman from Cook. Mr. Meyer.''

J. Theodore Meyer: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Part of the pro-

blem has been caused by in the last few years, number of

years, krains have been 'getting longer as the engines have

been becoming morc 7nNF- icâent. In the Geography of our State.

in order for trains to get from East to West, the have to

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travel through South Cook County and literally thousands an

thousands of cars travel through South Cook County and the

Ràilroads are showing no eonsideration to the pubkic. Thei

answer. their lobbyist answer to the problem is that we

should expend taxpayersifunds, motor fuel funds, mind yoù

Gentlemen, to put overpasses over them . This is isn't the

solution. I support Representative Pa lmer's motion.''

Hon. W. Rotert Blair: HThe gentleman from Livingston, Mr.

Hunsicker.''

Carl T. Hunsicker: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the Hcuse, being a Member of the Public Utilities Committee,

r'll have to agfee that the Bills had an unfair and im-

partial hearing. As the Viee-chairman has said they were

voted 13 to nothing, do not pass. Railroad are nbcessity.

We al1 know that and they cause inconvenience occasiona'lly.

Can't break up a train at every crossing every time somew

jbody want across. We a11 know that. The Rai road crossings

were here long before the highwavs were and befor'e we had.A

hard rosds. I think the State of Illinois over the years.

we should have overpasses and underpasses long time ago.

You can't blame the Railroad for the inconvenience being

caused. And I think the action of the Committee should be

upheld.''

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: f'Any further discussicn? The gentleman

from alu e Cock, Mr. Palmer, to close.''

Romie Palmer: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, perhaps scme of the Members of this House have in

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reject f'he motion. A11 this Bill does is to give the autho ity

to the Commerce Commissicn to restrict or prohibit switchin .

connecting up trains, making up trains at crossings. That's

a1l it does. And it says that they can only do that when

they have given notice and have had a hearing and makes a

finding... makes a finding that the convenience to the public

j.or the danger to the public is unreasonable. Now. there s

no provision in the present law that has ah... to take

care of this situation. And I wculd sXy also that the Fed-

eral Law does not cover this situation. The Fqderal Rail-

way Act of 1970. And some remarks have been made about the

hearing. The hearing now before the Public Utilities Commi -

tee concerned itself with 4405 and 4406. only rea6qwthis

Bill and had they voted upon it, there was not very much

discussion. There was no discussion of this Bill except

the discussion that I.. I.. gave... the illustrations that

I gave as to what this Bill will do. Now, if we want to

talk about the'sanctity of Committees, that's fine and dan-vM

dy, but let's keep in mind that the Committee System in this

Legislature has to be responsive to the needs and the de-

sires of the people of this State. This Bill grew out of a

study... an intensive study of th& Railroad Study Commissio

a11 over the State and invariably they came up with this

type of solution. And one of the solutions to the ever

growing problem of grade crossing obstruction. Now, I don'

think... that we should have to listen to the propaganda of

the Lobbyist in this State anymore. We support the Rail-

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roads with our tax money. We support them Federally and

we support them with our State Tax dollars. I say it's

time we take a look at this thing, bring it to the floor of

the House ahd let's vote it. ask for your favorable con-

sideration-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The question is.. shall the gentleman's

motion prevail? Al1 those in favor will vote 'Aye', the

. opposed 'No'. The Ventleman from Cook, Mr. Palmer.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''To explain my vote, there are 72 votes up

there on the Board at the present time. A1l I need is 89.

And Ehen we bring it on to the floor and again, the only

thing that this Bill does is give the authority to the Com-

merce Commission to restrict or prohlbit switching at grade

erossings. This will allow your traveLing public to get

home, the Commerce Ccmmission makes a finding in this

direction. To get home at night during those peak traffic

hours. It will also allow the school children to get'to

work or to get tc school in the morning. It's a wage earner .

it's a public Bill, a peoples Bill and I would certainly

hope that some of you who are not voting and those of ycu

who are voting 'red' reconsider it and make it 'green'.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The.gentleman'from Peoria, Mr. Day.''

Robert G. Day: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and'Gentlemen of the House

would like to explain my vote. This has been a source of

public complaint for many many years. And I think that pro-

bably every man and wotan in this House has had complaints

from the public ah.. concerning this problem. And it seems

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to me that this is fair and reasonsble way to approaeh it.

I think that we should go on record ah.. taking some step

to ah.. try to eorrect the problem. And I.. it seem to me

that this is s very reasonable way to do it. So, I.. I..

think that we should support this motion.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Kane, Mr. Hi11.''

John Jerome Hill: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House: I certainly would ap/reciate very much if you would

allow this Bill to be discussed on the floor. It's a Bill o

great import to the pecple in my pardcular area. We have

several crossing up there, and consequently what happened,

their switehing at the Farmsworth Ave cross and also at the

Mcclure Rcad cross. People are sometimes waylaid as long as

45 minutes and this is not out Uf the ordinary. This cer-

tainly is a peoples Bill. It's a Bill that could be proud

to vote for and bring to ihe floor of the House so it can

get more thorough discussion. It's about time that we take

a stand in this regard. And'someone made the statement be-zM ,

fore that the I.C.C. should have its' ah.. ah.. should not

have its' independence qpestioned. But why are you afraid

to do something like this then. And Please, I would appreci

ate very much j.f you would vote for this piece of legislatio .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Kipley.''

Edward Kipley: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen cf the

House, onçe again I find myself in a very rare position ah.. I

crossing the sanctity of the Committee structure in the

House. As you know, I have on many ddcasions talked about

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the sanetity of the Committee in vote because of the witnes -

es you hear during the Committee. would like to say her

. and now that I testified the Committee on this Bill. I

agree that it got a good hearing, but I think that the fdel

ing, perhaps was that this Bill has been hanging around for

a long time. Something should have been done about it and

ah.. maybe the Committee might have been a little hasty .

I would like to have them reconsider. I would like to ex-

plain what happens village of Riverdale and Dalton where I

i d is a big part o'f my terrNtory. We have a lot ofl ve an

industry in that area and in 5 tc 10 square mile area, ther

are no less than 25 to 28 grade crossings. Now, we don't

have a big problem with the few trains that come on the.B&O,

although they are large trains and put more power units on

them so you can put more cars on, but we do have a problem

on the I.C. For instance, switches down on to the ah . .

terminal tracks, the Indiana Harbor terminal tracks and

there's two trains on the other side and they tie up these

Railroad crossings through the heart of town. And not only

thrcuqh Riverdale, but also in Dalton to the extent that

they back up, completely tying up b0th sdetions of the town.

There is one section in our village where you. . when the

B&O train comes through with a long train, there is no way

that you can get from one end of this town to the other.

And there have been occasions when they have to. .. when a

train would stall on the tracks, the polièeman actualiy had

to hand a child through a train to get to the Hospital that'sin Blue Island. Now in my constituent, Romie Palmer comes

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from the same area I do and during his last campaign, he

also had the opportunity of going down into a further Dis-

trict down around Chicago Heights and run into the same

situation down there. This situation is yery bad in our

area, gentlemen. The Bill does not do anything to the detr'-

ment of the Railroads or the industries that I work for and

I would solicit your support and bring this Bill on to the

floor of the House. Thank you-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from St. Claire Mr.

Lehman.''

Edward LelMnan: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentle-

men of the House. If you would happen to be in a business

where you had to pay mechanici $6.85. an hour and get tied

up 20 to 45 minutes at a Railroad crossing, you wculd pro-

bably would change your vote on this particular Bill. We

were a11 through the State and I want to tell you that in

the City of East St. Louis, the only way you can get out of

within 20 to 45 minutes is to cross the River and go to<M '

Missouri and down to the next County coming back on the

Jefferson Barracks Bridge. This is good Bill and I think

the Railroad just defied it. They doh't violate a 10 minut

law, they go 20 to 4sqminutes and block a crossing. I woul

appreciate enough votes to get this Bill away from the

Committee and hearing on the House.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Ogle, Mr. Brinkmeie .''

Rcbert E. Brinkmeier: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House,

I would like to just point out that isn't all the metro-

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politan Areas where these problems exist. Just this past

month in a little County back in Nor*hwestern Illinois, I

sat 40 minutes waiting to get across one of these crossings.

so, it isn't all in the metropolitan area . I'm sure we hav

these problems in the Downstate Areas too. I vote 'aye'

on it.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair:' ''A1l those... Is there any further dis-

cussion? The Clerk will take the record. The gentleman

from Cook, Mr. Palmer.''

Romie J. Palmer: poll the absentees, please.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. the gentleman has requested

that we poll the absentees. Proceed-''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Alsup... Alsup is present. Barnes.. Brad ey..

Campbell.. Capuzi.. Jimmy cartèr.. Richard Carter.. Otis

Collins..''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: Collins.. 'Aye'. n

Fredric B. selcke: 'ioavis.. Diprima.. Duff.. Dyer.. Ewel1..

Fennessey.. Flinn.-n .A! Hon

. w. Robert Blair: ''Flinn.. Present.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Garmisa.. Glass.. Granata.. Houde. . Hudso ...

Janczak.. Karmazyn.. Keller.. Klosak.. Ed Madigan.. Markert..Mcclain..''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nMarkert- 'No'.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Mcclain.. McDermott.. McDevitt.. McLendono. ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''McLendon.. Present. ''

Fredric B. Selcke: nMcMaster.. Merlo. . Kenney Miller..''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Kenney Mi1ler.X lAye'.''

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Fredric B.. Selcke: ''Moore.. Murphy..''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Murphy.. 'Aye'. ''

Eredric B. Selcke: ''Neff..''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Neff.. Present.''

Fredric B. selcke: ''D. O'Brien.. O'Hallaren. . Redmond.. Regne ..

Ropa.. Scariano.. Schoeberlein-. Shapiro.. Shea- .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Shea.. Pxesent.''

Fredric B. Selcke: HIke Sims.. Soderstrom . . Springer.. Taylor..

Jack Thompson.. Tipsword.. Waddell.. Wa1l.. Washburn. .

Genoa washington..''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Genoa Washington.. 'Ayet n

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Harold Washington . . Williams.. Frank Wolf..

J. J. Wolf.. Zlatnik.. Mr. Speaker- ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''How is the gentleman from Cook, Mr.

Duff, recorded?''

Fredric B.. Selcke: nThe gentleman is recorded as not voting.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Duff.. 'Aye'. The gentleman from Cook,

Mr. Ron Hoffman.''

Ronald K. Hoffman: ''Mr. Speaker, how was Representative

Springer recorded?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''How was Representative Springer re-

corded?''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''The gentleman ah. . is recorded as not

votingw''

Ronald K. Hoffman: ''Thank you.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. on this question, there are

/9 'Ayes' 13 lNay'? 31 'Nay'. . Present. For what pur-

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pose does the gentleman from Winnebàgo, Mr. Anderson: rise?''

Merle K. Anderson: ''Mr. Speaker, I ask for a verification of

the affirmative vote-''

Hon. W. Robert Biair: ''Alright.. the Membery will be in their

seat and we will now verify the vote. Starting with the

affirmative.''

Fredric' B. Selcke: ''Arrigo.. Barry.. Bartùlis.. Berman.. Blu-

thardt.. Borchers.. Boyle.. Brandt.. Brenne.. Brinkmeier..

Brummet.. Burditt.. Caldwell.. Calvo.. Capparelli.. Carroll..

Chapman.. Choate.. Clabaugh.. Otis Collins.. P. W. Collins..

Corbett.. Craig.. Roscoe Cunningham.. Day.. Douglas.. Downes- w

Duff.. Epton.. Fary.. Fleck.. Giorgi.. Hamilton.. Hanahan..

i1l Hirschfedd.. Gene Hoffman.. Ron Hoff-Hart.. Henss.. H ..

man.. Houlihan.. H#de.. Jacobs.. Jaffe.. Kahoun.. Katz..

Kennedy.. Fa'pley.. Kosinski.. Krause.. Laurino.. Lechowicz..

Lelunan.. Lenard.. Lindberg.. Londrigan.. Ed Madigan.. Mann..

Maragos.. Matijevich.. McAvoy.. McGah.. Meyer.. Kenney Mille -

Peter Miller.. Murphy.. Ncwlan.. Palmer.. Pappas.. ''ae '


Pappas.''

,1 i 11Peter Pappas: Are we verifying the affzrmative roll call?

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yes.''

Peter Pappas: ''Somebody must have thkowp my switch after I

threw it myself because I want to vote 'no' on this.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Change the gentleman from

'Aye' 'Nay' ''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Philip.. Pierce.. Rayson.. Rose.. schliek-

man.. Schneidor.. Sevcik.. Smith.. Stedelin.. stone.. Tpic '. .N% * ' V ?>) t'W'e .'l'fl* -7-7 ' t . G E N E l l A I

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Terzich.. You can't on a verification.. Tuerk.. R. Walsh..

W. Wal'sh.. Walters.. Genqa Washington.. Welsh.. B. B. Wolfe..

Yourell-.'' '

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Winnebago, Mr.

Anderson..'. Por what purpose does the gentleman from Cook;

Mr. James Carter, rise?''

James Y. Carter: nHow am I recorded?''

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''How ié the gentleman recorded?''

Fredric B. selcke: ''The gentleman is recorded as not voting.''

James Y. Carter: ''Make it noE Present. Thank you-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman from Winnebago, Mr. Ande -

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Merle K. Anderson: ''Mr. Bcyle.. Representative Boyle.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Boyle. Ah.. he's there.. he's there.''

Merle K. Anderson: ''Caldwel'l?''

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11Hon. W. Robert Blair: He s there.

Merle K. Anderson: ''Chapmana''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Chapman... She's there-''

Merle K. Anderson: ''Collins?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Otis Collins.. How is the gentleman

recorded?''

Fredric B. Selcke: nThe gentleman is recorded as voting 'Aye'.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Take him off the record.''

Merle K. Anderson: nHanahan?''

Hon. W. Robqrt Blair: ''There he is.''

Merle K. Anderson: ''Hi11?''

.Hon. W. Robert Blair: nHi11... He's hete.''

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Merlo K. Anderson: ''Jacobs?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He's back there.''

Merle K. Anderson: ''Miller? Pete Miller-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He's back there-''

Merle K. Anderson: ''Ah.. Piercea''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He's here.''

Merle K. Anderson: ''Sevcik?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He's here.''

Merle K. Anderson: ''Brinkmeiera''


Merle K. Anderson: ''Ca1vo?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He's there.''

Merle K. Anderson: ''Houlihan?''

Hcn. W. Robert Blair: NHe's.. he's here He's back the back!

there . ''

Merle K An' derson : '' Krause ? ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He's there-''

Merle K. Anderson: ''Rayson?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Rayson is here-''

Merle K. Anderson: ''Londrigan?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nLondrigan. He's here-''

Merle K. Anderson: ''Telcserae'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Telcser is here.''

Merle K. Anderson: ''Brandt?''

Hon. Robert Blair: HBrandt... Hcw is the gentleman recorded?''

Fredric B. seleke: ''Tbe gentleman is recorded as voting .Aye'.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Take him off the record.''

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Merle K. Anderson: ''Kahouna''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''He is over here.''

Merle K. Anderson: ''C'arro11?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Carroll... How is the gentleman re-

corded?''

Fredric B. Selcke: nThe gentleman...


Merle K. Anderson: ''Katz?n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Katz is here.''

Merle K. Anderson: ''Duff?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Duff... How is Duff recordeda''

Fredric B. Selcke: 'iThe gentleman is recorded as voting 'Aye'.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Take him'off the record.''

Merle K. Anderson: .'1. B. Wolfe?n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''B. B. Wclfe- . There he is-''

Merle K. Anderscn: nEd Madigan?''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''How's Madigap 'recordeda''

d i B Selcke: 1'Ah Edward Madigan is recorded as notFre r c . ..

voting.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright... put Duff back on.'.

Merle K. Anderson: ''Did I call Terzich?''

Hon. Robert Blair: Mr. Terzich? No.. Hcw is the gentleman

recorded?n

Fredric B. Selcke: ''The gentleman is recorded as voting 'Aye'. ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nTake him off the record.n'

Merle K. Anderson: ''McAvoy?'''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''McAvoy... He is back there.''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman from Cook, Mr. James

carter.''

James' carter: ''Ah Mr. Speaker, through some oversight,

I said that I wasn't heree but apparently I am . Would ycu

recorded me as voting

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Change the gentleman from 'not.here'

to 'no'. Alright.. there are 85 'Ayes' and 33 'No's'. . .

three Present. The gentleman's motion does not prevail.

For what purpose does the gentleman from Perry, Mr. Cunning-

ham rise?''#

W. cunningham: ''Having voted on the prevailing side, I move

.that the vote by which this motion failed be reconsidered-n

Hon. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman from Winnebago, Mr.

Anderson.''

Merle K. Anderson: ''I move' that it be tabled.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Albight. . The gentleman from Perry

moved to reconsider. The gentleman frcm Winnebago moved

to table. Al1 those in favor of the motion to table say.-e

'aye'y opposed 'no'e All those in favor of the motion tc

table say 'aye' opposed 'no' the 'ayes' have it. You#' #

don't think so? Do you want a rcll call? Five pecple aske

for Okay... We'11 be here the rest of the Evening. A1-

right.. On the gentleman's motion to table, all those in

' favor will note 'aye' and the opposed 'no'. Have al1 vote#

who wished? The Clerk will take the reeord. 36 'Ayes' and

73 'Nays' and the motion to table i's lost. The gentleman#

from Perry, Mr. Cunningham.''

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W. J. Cunningham: *In the interest of saving time, Mr. Speake ,

I move to withdraw my motion-''

' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. the 'gentlemen have leave.

Alright.. the gentleman's motion to. .. 4406. The gentlema

from Ccok, Mr. Palmer. Mr. Houlihan.''

John Houlihan: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, this.. for the last three Sessions, have no argu-

ament with the Committee System: but for the last three

Sessions, this Bilt or similiar Bills,'like House Bill 4406,

has been defeated 13 to nothing. 11 to 2. 12 to 1, you name

it. In the Utilities Committee... But this House has seen

fit to... to pass this Bil1... to put this Bill on second

reading for four times. Now, this tells me somethingo' ït

tells me possibly that the people in this House realize thei

problems of the Communities, of the People, and maybe, justmaybe that Committee does not. I ask for an 'Aye' vote to .

put House Bill 4406 off the table and put in cn second read

ing.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr . Mcpartlin.''

Robert F. Mcpartlin: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House,

this Bill has been up actually in the last five Sessions of

the Legislature. The last Bill was killed in October 28th,

1971, by the Senate Transportation Committee. If this Bill

was passed into Lawy in the Chicago terminal. a train arriv s

and leaves every 15 seconds- . 50 seconds, making it impos-

sible to comply with this .section. Therefore, I oppose thi

motion.''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cock. Mr. William

Walsh.''

William D. Walsh: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I

don't think it's unreasonable at all to ask that the trains

move within minutes off a busy intersection. We have a

problem in our town which is very serious, with respect tc

a grade crossing. And I'd like to read .just a bit from a

letter that I have in my possession from the Superintendent

of Schools in our Areae Paul Schilling. In this particular

school, about 4œ3 of the enrollment l5.ves... must cross a

Railroad track to go back and forth. This is an elementary

school and the Superintendent says, 'The major problem whic

results is due tc the fact thdt the Indiana Harbor Belt Rai -

road services freight trains only. And one numerous occa-

sions, the tracks are tied up for 20 to 30 minutes at cne

; time. on occasion this has resulted in children, with th'e

i f a brakeman attemptin'g to crawl under theass stance o ,

Railroad cars in order to avoid being tardy. On cther occaA '

sions, the blockage of the tracks has resulted in young

children having to wait in incH.m ent weather with a wind

chill factor of up to 50 degrees belck zero for 20 to 30

minutes. Now, Mr'. Speaker and Members of the House, this

is unreasonable, it's unsafe and r'm sure there are many

examples of situations like this that exist in this great

State. It's deplorable that we can nct stop the Railrcads

from inconveniencing qur Jeople in this way. This is

people Bill. The people want it. We should be for it.

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urge you to support the gentleman's motion.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Collins.''

Philip Collins: '.AH.. rising just to enddrse, Mr. Speaker,

what Representative Walsh has just said. I don't think thaanywhere in the state or at least in Cook County, our condi

ticns of crossings are more horrible than in my District.

It's not at all uncommon for people to be hung up at cross-

ings for many consecutive trains, successive trains, one

after another blocking motorists and preventing them from

crossing. Ah.. I ah.. think that this Bill shculd be broug t

out to the floor. I think that it should be highly endorse

by all of us. Ah.. the indifference to the public convenie ce

and safety shown by the Railroads ah.. I think is criminal

and ah.. I urge everyone of you to vote... to support this

motion to discharge Ehe Committee.n.

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Winnebago, keprese. ta-

tive Merle A'nderscn. ''

Merle K. Anderson: HMr.. ah.. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and

gentlemen of the House, I rise again in cpposition to this

' Bill. I was Chairman of that Committee and we gave it a

hearing and we gave it a' good hea/ing. Everybody who was

there who wanted to testify, had a ri'ght to testify and they

were listened to. And those who rendered a question to it

had a right to do it and they had time 4nd nobody pushed to

.( .. 'hurry. A 1ot of ques inns were brought up at that l.ime and

I don't have them here now ah.. as to what they were. They

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were very informative. And after llstening to all the evi-

dence presented, the Committee voted again 13 to nothing.

I say vote 'no' qn this one..'. onlthis Bil1..'

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Ccok, Representa-

tive Palmer-''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Well.. Mr. Speaker and Members, there is

certainly is unanimity of opinlon in the' Public Utilities.committee and there was on this particular Bill across 10th

sides of the aislb. But it is about time that the people

of this State get themselves into a position where they are

not subservient to the whims of the Railroad Industry of

this State. We held hearing throughout the State in 1969,

70 and 71 and the testimony of evidence was overwhelming

that something had'to be done to unlock or unjam these gradcrossings. In a growing urban area, it is absolutely es-

sential that something be done.and if it is not done at

, this time, it will have tp be donè at a later date. The

people arç sick and tired of being tied up... not for 10

minutes..w Mr. Speaker, it's not the 10 minute stoppage

that really makes the difference, but it's when they're

there for 25, for 30, for 40 to 5O, for an hour, that those

trains block those crussings, that the people ean't move.

As a result of this, Elmhurst and many other places in this

State have had to expend tax dollars. Their hard earned

tax dollars to p rect police facilities aùd fire facilities

across the tracks. And that is especially true in any muni-

cipality of this state where there is a al4. . ah.. track

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oing down a parallel with Main Street . so, we ' ve had tog

spend money and the people have gone along 'with the Rail-

road Industry for many, many,'

many years . But there ' s more

to it than thàt involved, the inconvenience to the travexin

public is intolerable. We have had situations as was re-

lated bëfore about the school children . We have situations

about ambulance service that couldn't ge't there or they

did get there, couldn't get back to the hospital. We've

had testimony on the Commission by not being able to get a

Dcctor to a person who was in need of medical care. Finall

beyond that, has bred a disrespect of the Law. sometime

ago, there was fellow by the name of Brisselboe from up in

.a Canada, who got tired of this type of situaticn and he put

his car across the' tracks, blocking the train. In the

state of Illinois, I believe it has occurred cne time. The e

were several instances of rock throwing at the Conductor an

Engineer and al1 of these thingsz Now, it's time that the

iailroad Industry in this State at least give the people ofA '

this State a fair shake. They are nct doing it now . We

have a statute that is almost a statu tory eunuch. It's

neither fish nor fowl. It's not enforcible. The State's

kAttorneys can not enforcç it- A trial court Judge Cook

County held that a municipality could.not enact an ordinanc

in this direction. So, they can go blindly along their

way blocking public travel in the state of Illinois. The

time is now, Mr. Speaker, and it's time we go and unjamthe grade crossings again. And I would certainly urge each

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of you to give this motion your most earnest consideration.

Ask your constituency how they feel about it. if.you haven' ;

already, vote 'aye' to discharge this Committee.'' i' (Rep. Arthur A. Telcseri ''The gentlemàn frém Cook, Representa-

tive Glass.''

Bradley M. Glass: ''WiIl the sponsor yield for a question?''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: HHe indicates he wi1l.''

Bradley M. Glass: ''Ah.. Rcmie, I think may have alluded to thi ,

John, but it was my impression at the present time, it is

illegal for trains to block Railroad ah.. grade crossings

for more than lo.minutes. m oxrr kords'' kE there is suchê

'

. a statute on the books, if that's true, I'd appreciate clar

ification of why this is needed? .

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Representative Houlihan said t'hak he

will defer to his Côunselor', Represehtative Palmer'-'' ''

Romie J. Palmer: ''The statute now on the books is 98 year old.

And ironically in the beginning, they did not.. they put

everythizg against the Railroad Corporation and didn't have '

' the qualifications on the excess of 10 minute bldcking. Th

States Attorney of Cook'county and other. . and I agree with

him on this principal of law. If you read the statute, it

says 'that one shall sue for the use of another' The for-

mer Mayor of Springfield established that prineipal of 1aw

about two years ago in a case involving him and the city of

s ringf ield. They turned him down pnd then he sued as Nelso13

Horvath, I believe was the Mayors nalne for the use of some- .

body else. It also says that if you do it this %qaY, you

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can only. get $10.00 dollars in damages, that's the minimum,

or not more than $100.00 dollars. Ncw, you can't hire a

iawyor for $100.0*0 dollars and ycu.know that. The Stateé

Attorney will not prosecute on the basis that it does not

allu de to the benefit of the County. The trial court de-

cision stated: 'that the municipality cf Chicago Heights

had no jurisdiction to enact an ordinance of this nature'.

The statute itselè applies only to standing trains. It

doesn't apply to the creepers. It doesn't apply to anythin

else. So, you have an ordinance o: statute that's non funct s

and ah.. as I say a statu tory eunuch.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Ah.. Representative Glass, did you

wish to make a few commentsa''

Bradley M. Glass: ''Ah.. I ah.z just wanted further clarifica-

tion Romie. Yeah.. I think it has been held unénfo/cible#

' frcm what you've said. What about home rule units? Would

there be any prohibition against them 'adopting ordinances

of this type.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: HDo you wish to respond, Representati e

Palmera''

Romie J. Palmer: ''The answer to this would Se that presumably

a home rule unit and I use the word 'presumably' a home. #

'

rule unit could establish an ordinance in this direction.

And there's one exception and that was pre-emption Bill

that was put in this House ah.. last year sometime which

would have taken this powçr away from the Yunicipalities.

ï don't know that if that Bill is passed. I believe that i

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is now pendinq. but I'm not certain-''

Arthur A Telcser: ''The gentleman from Will Representa-lke p . . . ,

tive Iloulihan, to close the debate . ''

John J. Houlihan: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, without being redundant, time and time again for the

last four Sessions, the Utilities Committee has defeated

this Bill. And time and time again thzs House has seen

fit to pass this Bill. And I see no difference today.

say that this House is correct and that the Committee is

wrong. And I up'.hol d the Committee system as mueh as any

othe'r Member in this body. Bute in this instaneee I believ , *

they were wrong and that the people need this legislation.

And I ask for your 'Aye' vote.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: 'lThe gentleman has moved to take

House Bill 4406 from the table and place it on the calendar.

A11 those in favor of khe gentleman's motion signify by

voting 'aye', the opposed by voténg 'no'. Have a11 voted

who wished?. The Clerk will take the record. Kahcun.. 'aye'.

Brinkmeier.. 'aye'. Katz.. 'aye'. ln this question, there

are 78... 79 'Ayes', 19 'Nays'. The gentleman frcm Will,

Mr. Houlihan.''

John J. Houlihan; ''Hate' to delay this House, but I would like

to have you p'oll the absentees. I'd. like to know how Mr.

Merlo voted-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''For what purpose does the gentleman

' from Cook, Mr. Katz rise?''

Harold A. Katz: ''I would like to change my 'aye' vote to pre-

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: nChange the gentleman from 'aye' to

'present'. Al/ight.. poll the absentees.''Fkedric B. Selcke: ''A1sup.. Present. Alspp.. Present.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alsup.. Present.n

Eredric B. selcke: ''Bartulis.. Blades.. Bradlye.. Brenne..

campbell.. Capuzi.. Carrigan.. Richard Carter.. Choate..

Claubauqh.. Craig.. Diprima.. Duff.. Dyer.. Fennessey..

Flinn.. Flinn is 'Present'.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Flinn is present-''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Garmisa- Gibbs.. Glass- Graham.. Granata..

Ha 11 . . ''

Hon . W . Robert Blair : ''Ha 11 . . ' no ' . ''

eredric B. selcke: nHart.. Hehss.. Holloway..''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Hollovay is present-''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Houde.. Hudson.. Hyde.. Jénczak.. Jones..

Karmazyn.. Klosak.. Krause.. Lauterbaeh.. Leon/. Ed Madaigan..''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Leon is present.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Markert.. Mcclain..''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Duff.. present.''

Fredric B. selcke: nMccormick.. McDermott- ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Mccormick.. 'no'.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''McDevitt.. MeLendon..''

Hon. Robert Blair: 'tMcEendon is present.''

Fredric B.'selcke: ''McMaster.. Merlo.. Menney Miller.. Peter

Miller.. Moore.. Neff.. D. J. O'Brien.. O'Hallaren.. Pappas..

Philip.. Redmond.. Re/ner.. lkopa.. icariano.. Schoeberlein..

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Simmons.. no.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Timothy Simms- ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Simms, Timothy... no-''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Ike Sims.. Soderstrom.. Springer.. Taylor..

Telcser.. Jack Thompson.. Tuerk- Waddell.. Washburn..

Genoa Washington.. Williams.. Frani WoYf.. J. Wolf..

zlatnik.. Mr. Speaker.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: '178 'Ayes' 24 'Nays' 5 'Present'. Mo-j ê #

tion Tails . 4405 . .'

Fredric B. selcke: ''The Motion to House Bill 4405.. Palmer,

Houlihan.'.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Palher.''

Romie Palmer: 'tMr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House: House Bill 4405 amends 'The Mo%or Vehicle Code' in

this respect. And it has to do with obstructing persons on

highways and this is a present law. That if an individual.

busine ss or corporation gets out and blocks unnecessarily

or willfully: delay, hinder or obstruct any person in the

lawful use of the driving or travdling upon any state High-

way, then under the terms of the statute, he is guilty of a

misdemeanor and can be fined. Now, what Bill 4405 does is

adds to this. The Railroad Corporàtions blocking and ob-

structing grade crossings in the State of Illinois in excess

of 10 mlnutes. And gives them the same treatment as

give you and I when we go out and commit these acts. And it

all has to do with obstruètion of travel upon public high-

ways which we have used our hard earned dollars pay for.

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Nowe I will not go into the questiohs or the reasons for

the Bill. It's a variation on a theme that was established

in 4406 except that we're trying to at least bring it to th

attention cerEainly the constituency of our constituency tc

the people of this state to finally getting something done.

I can tell you that it is endorsed by the A .F.L. of C.I.O.

and the Illinois Municipal League and I 'request on behalf

of the people of this state equal treatment insofar as Rail-

road appropriations are concerned in blocking grade cross-

ings. I ask for your favorable consideration of the Motion .''

Hon. W..Robert Blair: ''Alright.. discussion? The gentleman

from Winnebago, Mr. Anderson.''

Merle K. Anderson: ''Mr. Speaker'and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, very briefly and as quickly as I can, not to use

up some of your valuable time, I want to arise to oppose

this Bill. I rise to oppose it, because my cùlnmittee voted

it down 13 to nothing. The same vote that wetve had yo far

ùh.. was given a good hearing. Everybcdy was allowed toA ' .

talk on the Bill, express their points. Now , we can't bring'

out a11 of the points here on the House flcor that were ex-

pressed that day. We'd take up a lot'of time. So, I ask

for a vote on this.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman' from Franklin, Mr. Hart.''

Richard 0. Hart: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies of the House, move

to previous question.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''All tiose in favor say 'ayeu the opposhd,'no': the 'ayes' have it and the previous question has been

moved. The gentleman from Cook Mr. Palmer care t ''

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Romie J. Palmer: ''We11.. I would say this to you that if you

Want YO do Something fcr your constituency that yOu should

hop on this Bill and vote for.it. It doesn't ccst any mone .

It tells the nailroad that they have to operate on time and

can't operate the same way that they've done for the last

50 years. And Mr. Speaker, of many years ago, I suppose th

Railroad Industry of this Country, and it's sad in the

History Books treats these on a subject that indicates they

used to elect the Governcrs of the State, State Officers,

the President of the United States. But I say to you that

the time has now come, that the Railroad Industry of the

State should at least cognizant of the needs of the people.

That we should have an equal àhake vith Railroad Corporatio s.

They're 'valuable. . We have to have them. But thé only thin

that we want them to do is operate those trains on timee

te them in such'a way that at least we are not unnedes ar-Opera

i1y inconvenienced by being held .up at the grade crossing

blockage. I think it's a good Bill. think that if you.A ' .

took it back to your people and sey, 'look I voted for this

Bi1l', I think the people will say that you did a good job.

Even though you may live in a rural a'rea or maybe southern

Illinois or Northern Illinois, you have the occasions to go

into some of the growing urban or 'mini-urban density areas.

This is true if youfre in Danville, or if you're in Spring-

field, if you're in ah.. South Cook County, if you're ini

Roekford and certainly if you're in some of the cther areas

that are growing.. It's a Bill that the time has come that

it should be passed. I ask a ain for our favorable con-.ç& L J 1:'

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209.

sideration.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The question is.. shall the gentleman's

Motion prevail-' Al1 those in favor will vote 'aye', the

opposed will vote 'no'. Have a11 voted who wished? The

Clerk will take the record. Stedelin.. 'aye'. This ques-

tion has 66'AyesL and 14 'Nays', and the Motion fails.

4445. House Bill 4445.''

Predric B. Selcke: nMotion regarding House Bill 4445 falls.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Mcbeane Mr. Ha1l.''

Harber H. Ha11: ''AK.. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House. last Wednesday was probably the busiesb day in

my last six years in this General Assembly and ; was very

interested in this Bill, but I didn't make tq the Com-

mittee Hearing. I ah.. have filed a motion to discharge the

Committee ah.. and place this Bill on the order of Secoqd

reading. It's a blood labeling act Bill that's good legis-

. lation and needed by our ah.. health facility operatlons

around the State. I've talked to Representative Wall ah..

the Chairman of the Registration Regulation Committee and

also the Leadership on the other side of the aisle and they

have no objection. I move for the placement of this Bill

on the order of Second reading.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Kane, Mr. schoeber-

lein.''

Allan L. Schoeberlein: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker, was this Bill posted

seven day in advance/ We have a very fine laboratory up in

Aurora that we distribute ah.. even at the loss of life, weiI 'E . ;'' ' ''.. kl t %

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deliver blood up and down the Valley. And they have been

tching for this to be posted, so witnesses's could cohewa

down in opposition to the Bill. That's your Aurora Blood

Bank We have a very gcod man in' charge. I've been watch-

ing, looking and asking the Clerks and that Bill has never

been posted according to the Clerks upstairs.''

Harber H. Hal1: ''I ah.. would not be able to say that was

' posted seven days in advance. It was ah.. scheduled for a

hearing and ah.. I got to the Hearing Committee just after

the Committee adjourned and so I missed- . I presume it was

postàd a week in advance.''

Allan L. Schoeberlein: ''l wculd like procf on this that this

has been posted, because we who have' come down here from

home and I ask to watch the Boards and we don't see it poste .

We go to the Clerk of the Ccmmittee and the Clerk of the

vcommittee... I've been asking every day...Has this Bill been

posted? Has it been posted? No. 4445, I keep saying. I

called bgck .everyday to the copy house in Aurora and I'm

going to look awfully silly... sillier than usual, if this

Bill is going to be taken from Committee, if it hasnl.t been

, .vposted. Now, let's not go al1 out here on the Committee

action and everything'else in this' floor of the House, welre

beginning to look ridiculous in the newspapers as it is, whe

the Courts do this and that and we have Bills that are over-

ruled by the Courts and found unconstitutional. Now this

.is one that will certainly be found unconstitutional-''

Hon. W. Robart Blair: nWell.. the gentleman's motion is ah..

ih order, whether or not the Bill was set Hearin or n txq v. -2 * > r.,.4 %n$ * --..--67%y G E N E R A L A s S E M 8 L Y, t y. : ,$ yJ r'l (qJ : 't' y ) s v . .,. (z o r, I u u ' ,q o , sî - .! v. . r.s . .,

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That, of course, is an argument that does to the .ah.. merit-

of the proposal as far as what the gentleman is advancing.

But, the motion is in order as far as being considered to

take from the Commiktee. Ah.. thevgentleman from ah .. Lake.

Mr. Matijevich.''

John s. Matijevich: ''AK.. Mr. Speaker, noint of an inquiry..

I notèd the motion is to place the Bill on the order of

Second reading. And I understand there an appropriation.

Wouldn't we ah.. refer this to the Appropriation Committee?u

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''That is ah . . If there is an appropria-

tion and ah.. if this appropriation prevails, I would re-refer the Bill to the Appropriations Committee

-'' .

Harber H. Ha1l: ''And Representative Schoeberlein and his peop. e

aan come in that Committee/'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: . ''The gentleman frcm Cook, Mr. .Douglds-''Bruce Douglas: ''Mr. Speaker, this Bill is so important. T e

intenG' of this Bill is so urgent and so urgently needed inthe practice of medicine that I would strongly recommend.

Because of the urgency in dealing with the issue .that isinvolved with this Bill, that we cast aside whatever ccn-

cerns we may have and bring this Aill out where it can be

brought on to Second reading. It is my hope that in the

Appropriations Committee that the discussions that are right-fully being asked for could be held

, but every day surgeons

are using blood, handing out hqp.atitis to pecple because

they have no knowledge of where the blood came from. Thiscountry at the Federal'and state level is rapidly moving in

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the direetion of doing away With the sale of blood. We're

not yet ready to do it because if it were done tomorrow, we

would have such a terrible lagu tiat many people,would suf erfrom the absence or the unavailability of blood. But I thi -

that the time is of the essence and that it would even be

a mistaue for us to wait until the next session. until kind

of a Bill could be brought up 'so that it cculd be hear pro-

perly and this House could act an it. I would strongly

recommend, because of th> urgent nature of the issuo that's

involved, that we bring the Bill out of Committee and then

we have a chance to hear what the a qmponents of the Bill

would say and then that we act on it.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from McLean, Mr. H:1f.''

Harber H. Hall: ''AIA.. Mr. Speaker, would the ah.. Appropria-

tion ah.. on this Bill of $25,000 dcllars to administer ah..

it would be exempt from the time rulfng and being a strong

advocate of the Committee system, ah.. I would renew my

motion to ah.. take frcm the Committee on Registration and

Regulation this Bill and place in the Apprapriation Com-

mittee for Hearing.''

' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Ah.. the motion prevails that ah.. that

would be what would happen. Alrikht.. the question is shall

the gentleman's motion prevail. A1l those in favor will vot

'aye', the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who wished? The

Clerk will take the record. Alrit'ht.. in the question..

lO9 'Ayes' and 'Nayi' ' and the gentleman's motion prevails#

and the Bill comes out cn Second reading and now will be re-

referred from Second reading baek to the House of Apprapria-. o.. -:..l .. 1 , ,ït.,'' ; è. b ( .'> Y. G E N E It A Iw A S S E M B L Yt ? y.. .

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tions Committee. 4413.

Fredric B. selcke: ''Motion on House Bill 4413, Ashburn.''

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''The gentleman from Grundy, Mr. Wash-

burn.''

James R. Washburn: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and

Gentlemen of the House. Hcuse Bill 4413, and 15 were

approved by the Executive Comhittee and re-referred to the

Appropriation Committee last week. Amendments are prepared

and will be presented cn second reading to strike the entire

appropriation from all three Bills. therefore, move that

House Bill 4413. and 15 be removed from the Appropria-

tions Committee and be placed on the order of second reading.

Now, this motion has been apprcved by Representative Shea,

and Lechowicz and Chairman Regner and I ask their support of

t his action.n

Hon. Robert Blair: nAlright.. Is there discussion? The

. gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Wili the gentleman yield for question?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yes.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Could you explain to me.. as remember when

these Bills were heard, it was going to cost almost a millio

dollars to complete this operation. If you take the ah..

appropriation off, how can you implement the Billsa''

James R. Washburn: ''Because the ah.. effective date is being

set back, Jerry.''

Geçald W. shea: ''Pardon me.''

James R. Washburn: ''The effective date will also be amended.

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The effective date of a11 three Bills will also be amended

to July 1st, '74.''

Gerald W. shea: ''July 1, '74?.'

James R. Washburn: ''Yes, Sir.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''We1l.. then what's the rush in passing the

Bills at this Session?''

James R. Washburn: ''These are far reaching Bills and they set

the framework fdr a Pathology system for County Coroners,

as you well know and it's going to take a little time to

prepare for the changeover.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Ts there any further discussion? The

question is shall the gentleman's motion prevail on House

Bills 4413, 4414 and 4415. Al1 those in favor will vote

'aye', the opposed 'no'. Hive a11 voted who wished? The

Clerk will take the record. Maragos.. 'aye'. The gentle-

man from Grundy. Mr. Washburnx''

James R. Washburn: ''A point of parliamentary inquiry .. If thifails to receive the 89 votes, will these Bills remain in

the Appropriations Committee?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: '1Yes.''

James R. Washburn: ''Thank you.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nAlright.. the gentleman's motion with

respect to these Bills is lost. 3746..,

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Motion on House Bill 3746, Tipsword.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Christian, Mr. TipsWord . ''

Rolland Tipsword: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen,

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i i lates to House Bill 3746 which a rather simpleth s mot on re

. Bill and fortunately so simplç that I overfooked it. Thisdid not appear for hearing byfore the committee, simplv be-

l ' d d overlooked the fact that requestingcause I neg ecte an

the Chairman of the Colnmittee that this Bill be called. I jhave discussed with the Chairman of the Ccmmittee

, Mr/ Cunni g-

ham/ before filing this motion. The fact that I had failed C'

. to do this and. unfortunately ah.. I coniacted him at a timewhen his Committee had already completed their work . He

id that he would like to call them back together. And Isa

did not wish to impose upon that Committee and he also felt ' '

that the Committee cculd not probably get back together in

' sufficient numbers in time to look at this Bill. This is a

Bill that's quite èimple. It does only two things. It adds

personal service to certified and registered mail service th t

musk be ah.. given to any Director or to the T rustees of any '

District of a fire protection district or in a public'librar

district when any land ah. . is made part of such a district%' is an annex to a mûnicipality. And then further, it clarifi s

the additional language in the aet at the present time that'

such territory in a fire protection district or in a public

library district, if p'roper service is not had, will not be

annexede by such an anhexation procedure. It merely clari-

fies that language, and adds an additional service to regis- 'tered and certified mail services upon the trustees

, that of

personal service. It has been requested by the Municipal

' League and adds addition protection to those areas which

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municipalities would try to annex. And I would appreciate

it very much if this might be taken or discharged frcm Com-

mittee and placed on Second reading. I thank you very much.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Glassv''

Bradley M. Glass: ''Will the gentleman yield fcr a question,

please?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicated he wi11.''

Bradley M. Glass: ''Rolland, I take it that the main import

of this Bill is.. is to add the personal serëzice requiremen .

But I'm wondering ah.. what the need is for that. It seems

to me that.. ah-'. at least in my experience, I've heard of. . *'

i ibrary districts or ah.. ah.. fire pro-no cases where t e l

tection districts have not rnceived this service if it's

( sent to them by registered or by certified mail. Ah..

seems to me that we're talking about an added expense for

the municipality and ah.. without commensurate benefitsp'

Rolland Tipsword: ''Is that a sole' and only, Representative'Glass, for the purpose and convenience in some cases. There

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are a some few cases in which the personal service ah.. was

ah.. more convenient than actually the registered or certi-

fied mail. It does remove registered or certified mail whic

can still be usèd, but it does add personal service which

is the kind of service which we have in almost all of our

other ah.. legal situations in addition to registered and

certified mail. There are ah.. two municipalities and in

particularly, I understand, have asked for the privilege of

making personal service instead of registered or certified

if they wish to do so.'' '

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Bradley M. Glass: ''You mean this would be optional?''

RollandqF. Tipsword: ''Yes.. it's optional. This is just an

added service. Registered and certified still remains in

the Bill as one cf the means of service. Two of the means,

I mean . ''

Bradley M. Glass: nSo that a municipality would have a choice.''

Rolland F. Tipsword: nThat's right. It would not have to be

personal service. It cculd still be by registered or certi

fied mail.'.

Bradley M. Glass: ''Thank you.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Are there further questions'? The ques-

tion is shall the gentleman's motion prevail. All those in

favor will vote 'aye' the oppcsed 'no.. Have a1l voted

who wished? The Clerk will take the record. Murpiy 'aye'.

Conolly 'aye' Walters,''aye', Schneider 'aye' McLendonê #

'aye' J. J. Wolf 'aye' ' Timothy Simms 'aye' On 'this' ' #

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question, there are 114 'Ayes' and 'Nays' and the gentle-

man's motion prevails. 4155.'.M

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Motion on House Bill 4155, Cunningham, Ro eoe.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Lawrence, Mr. Cunni g-

ham-''

Roscoe D. Cunningham: ''Mr. Speaker, since 402.. 4209 is a

companion Bill, may it be heard simultaneously? Mr. speake .

4O2 is a companion Billu may it be heard simultaneously? Th re

is a coppanion Bill 4208. Is that possible or not?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. reaè.. Yes.. just a minute.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4208 dn mction, Cunningham-''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. the gentleman from Lawrence,

Mr. Cunningham.''


two months ago the Supreme Court, United State Supreme Coukt,

and ruled and Dunn vs. Blumstein that al1 residency require-

ments were invalid, but they seem to uphold the proposition

that 30 days was a reasonable period for which the Clerk

could close the books and get ready for the election and to

correct this chin k. in the election ar/c'r, in Illinois,

' introduced ah.. House... Joe Gibbs'and I introduced House

Bill 4155 and 4208. And then the day of reckoning came

when we went to the Committee and just at the wrong moment

we were called away from the Committee and I implored 'the

aid of one.of the experienced Legislat'.ors,. whom I've al-

ways followed his lead and guidance with good effect in the

past, but as luck would have it, he too was called away at

: the wrong moment. But as the result was, itmay seem utteAy

incompetenx, but I hope that you will not so conclude, butv-'

we didn't get a chanca to present our bill befcre Chairman

Phil Collins and his distinguished Election Committee. . But

I have assure by the Chairman and Members of the Committee

that they a1l thought it was an excellent Bill and were pre-

pared to vote for it at every opportunity. None believe

more strongly than 1, in the sanctity of the Committee, we

would never take any course of action which in any way might

comprcmise or weaken that.sanctity. I would be ever indebte

to you if you could find it in ycur heart to cast a' unanimols

vote to discharge the Committee in this particular instance. $%K * , ) ' 49+.

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or at lqast 89 of you do so. Thank you.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Phil

Collins-''

Phillip W. Collins: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker, in spite of the fact

that the Sponsor somewhat overstates his case and in spite

of his self confessed confidence, I did agree to support

his motion to discharge the Committee and I would urge ever -

one to join me.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there further discussion? The gent e-

man from Lawrence, Mr. Cûnningham,. to close. Alright.. the

question is shall the gentleman's motion with respect to

these two Bills prevail. A1l those in fqvor will vote 'eye',

and the opposed 'no'. Have a1l voted who wished. Th: Cler

will.. The Clerk will take the record. On this question,

there are 125 'Ayes' and l 'Nay' and ihe gentleman's mction

with reppect to these two Bills prevails. There are a few

Bills now that are on second reading and if they are to be

considered tomorrow, they will have to be read today . 4428.,..A

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4428, a bill for an act to ame d

'The Vèhicle Code'. Second reading of the Bill. Ah.. no

Committee Amendments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any Amendments from the floor?''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment No. Pappas, amend House Bill

4428 on page 1, line by inserting between 'amended' and

the period the following: andsoforth.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Rock Island Mr.#

'

Pappas.''

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Peter Pappas: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentiemen of

the House, ah.. this is one that we discussed yesterday.

This appropriates $7,300,000 dollars to the Secretary cf

State for the administration of this act. Ah.. in order to

ah.. go ahead with this, the Secretary would need ah .. funds

in order to administer and I would move for its' adoption.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Duff.''

Brian B. Duff: ''Mr. Speaker, I'm the principal Sponsor of this

Bill. Ah.. yesterday, I had not seen this Amendment. Ah..

and .1 ask for time to speak to the Sponsor. Ah.. since tha

time I have talked with ah. Secretary of state, John Lewis,

wifh the person that prepared the work ah. . on the fiscal

note with Mr. Howlett and MrJ Kucharski. They all like thi

Bill. Ah.. I have prepared after conversation with the

Secretary of State an Amendment which will be offered immed'atel

after this one. Ah.. it is my feeling that this Bill does

not need any appropriation and in keeping with my copversa-l

tion with the Secretary of State ah.. with Auditor Howlettwe '

and with Mr. Kucharski, I will offer an Amendment to change

the effective date of this Bill immediately after this vote.

I sinerely hope that this Amendment will not be azded to myBill. I feel that it is dglqtqrious to the whole effect

of the Bill and an unnecessary ex#enditure and delay. I

would urge a 'no' vote on the Amendwent -''


Pappas.''

Peter Pappas: ''Mr. Speaker, I rise on appointed personal priv

' ' he ev' a ' naa thaf- my-/ . . .. %% *)A'> r%...k ) o . ,

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dilatory. If he will cheek the record. he will find that

I voted for his Bill in py CoMnittee. Al1 I'm trying to

do is get the Bill in shape so that whoever is the Secretar

of State, they will have the funds necessary to administer

That's al1 I'm trying to If I were trying to bè

dilatory, could have killed this Bill in Committee.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Lake, Mr. Pierce.''

Daniel M. Pieree: ''Ah.. Mr.'speaker, may I ask a question of

the Sponsor of the Bill. I know we're on the Amendment, bu

the Sponsor of the Bill, did you say that you' were going to

put on an Amendment next that would delay the effective

date to July 1, 1973? Did I hear you correctly?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yes.. the gentleman from Cook. Mr. Duf .''

i ff ''Um 1et me say 'that the ah.. actual 'time ofBr an Du : . .

starting to put the the 'ah.. pictures on the licenses w' ill

require some preparation, not expenditure. Ah.. this pre-

sent Secretary of State feels that the two gentlemen who

are contending for that Office should have an opportunityxr

ko influence some of the things which must be done, includi g

letting out bids on Contracts. I might bdd, by way of ex-

planation, perhaps I wasn't speaking clearly, but I did not

use the word 'dilatory'. I said '[email protected]' and I apolo-

gize for not having made more clear.''

Daniel M. Pieree: ''Mr. Speaker, still don't understand. if

it's going to be delayed to July 1, then we won't need

an appropriaticn to fiscal ,74, buù if it's going to be

effective before then? then I can see there might be a need

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for ap/ropriation for fiscal ,73, which we're now talking

about, and I wish the Sponsor would tell me-''

Brian B. Duff: ''You are right. . . thé effective date on the

Amendment which I will offer. after conversation with the

Secretary of State, will be July 1, 1973, and we need no

appropriation. We dc need time, however, and the ah.. mand te

privilege of the statute, so that the secretary of State

may go through the necessary steps of letting ah .. it out

for bids and so forth. do feel as'you, that we do nùt#need an Appropriation Amendment to this Bill at this time

.

And I would urge a ''no' vote on Amendment No.

Daniel M. Pierce: ''Wel1.. if no money is to be expended in th

fiscal 1973, then I could understand ah. . I could undèritanah.. opposing Amendment No. 1, which the gentleman from

Rock Island has just proposeô. In taking the word of the

Sponsor that he's going to offer as Amendment No . an

Amendment that would make the Bill effective . At least as

far as the expenditure of funds goes, cn or after July 1,A

1973, then we would need an appropriation in the next fisca

year. Ah.. next spring, we would eonsider an appropriation

for f iseal ' 74 . Based on that assurance of the Sponsor,

the gentleman from Cook County , I 'will ah . . vote against th

Amendment No . l proposed by the gentleman f rom Rock Island ,because I feel that the appropriation will then not be re-uired to f iscal 1 74 and then there would be n'o need toq

adopt Amendment No. 1 at this time. An therefore, I would

oppose it.''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman'from Mcf'lenry, Mr. Hana-

han.''

Thomas J. Hanahan: 'tMr. Speaker and Members of the House: I

too, am a Member of the Appropriations Committee and Minor-

ity Co-spokesman, would eppcse any Amendment on the floor

here that would expend $7,000,000 dollars or appropriate or

encumber $7,000.000 dollars of the taxp'ayers money that will

not be spent in fiscal year '73. This iD a.. to change the

priority system cf spending the money, we cnly have so much

money coming in, and it certainly seems foolish to me to

encqmber $7,000,000 dollars when there's other priorities

in the needed areas of spending, than photographs on Dkivers

Licenses. I believe that Amehdment... the Bill presented will

include $.35 Charge for the cost of the photcgraph on the

purchase of the new License Plate. So, I don't see at this

i h we have to amend the Bill to include any othert me w y

appropriation and I urge the defeat of the Amendment..''

Hoh. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. the gentleman from Rock Is-

land to close.''

Peter Pappas: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,ah.. in answer to the last Speaker, t%e Bill does not call

for a $.35 fee. The Bill leaves the fee entirely open. The eis no mention of an exact figure a's to what this will be

charged. As far as the appropriatione if this Amendment is

put on this Bill, it will be re-referred to the Appropria-

tions Committee and they a're the ones that have the know-

ledge as to what funds are available and what the priorities

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are. All I'm attempting to do to get this Bill as it is no

in shape so that whoever is the Secretary can handle it .

Now is he's going to.. now if the Sponsor of the Bill is

going to extend the date to 1973. and no monies will be

needed, I think he said until cr '74, then I can't see

the need of the Bill now. I think he would be better off

holding this Bill and drafting properly, so that when we

vote on it, we know what we are going to charge the drivers

in the State of Illinois. They will have a better idea of

how much time they will have to stand in all of the Drivers

License Stations in the State of Illinois waiting to have

their picture taken. I think if he's going to do this that

he should hold this Bill until he has his Bill drafted per-

fectly so we às Legislatures know exactly what w'e're voting

for. I move for the adoption of Amendment No. 1.'.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright. . . the question is on the a%..on the gentleman's... For what purp' ose does the qentleman

'from Cook, Mr. B. B. Wolfe rise?''

Bernard B. Wolfe: ''Might I ask a question of. . . 't

Hon. Robert Blair: ''NO.. we've already opened and closed.

You can explain your vote if there's 'a roll call vote. At1

those in favor df the Amendment say 'aye' opposed 'no.. . #

A1l those in favor of the Amendment say 'aye' a11 those

opposed say 'no'. A11 those in favor of the Amendment, vot

'aye', and the opposed 'no'. Have a11 voted who wished?

he Clerk will take the rncord . In thi's questicn there arT ,

59 'Ayes' and 21 'Nays' the gentleman's motion fails. Are

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there further Amendme nts?''

Fredric B. Selcke: nAmendment No. Duff, amend House Bill 4 28

on page by deleting line 5 and inserting in lieu thereof

the following: '(c) Dxcept as otherwise provided in this

Act, everv application for a drivers lieense or renewal';

and on page by inserting between lines 16 and 17 the fo1

lowing: '(d) Tbe provisions of paragraph (c) of this Sec-

tion shall not apply to the issuance of a temporary license

or permit unless required by rule of the Secretary of State';

and on page 3: line 4 by deleting 'January' and inserting i

lie4 thereof 'July'.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook. Mr. Duff.''

Brian B. Duff: ''Mr. Secretary, 'these Amendments are drawn aft r

ah.. a lengthy conference with the Secretary of State last

night and I'm responsive with his feeling as to how the Bil

might be put in good shape. move the adoption of Amend-

ment No. 2 to House Bill

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook Mr. B . B.#

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Wolfe.''

Bernard B. Wolfe: ''Now will the Sponsor yield for a question,#

Mr. Speaker?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates .he wil1.''Bernard B. Wolfe: ''Ah..Mr. Duff, whét provisions in this Amen -

ment is there for the.. or was that left alone. . for the

taking of the pictures for the drivers license? Is that tobe done by the secretprya''

Brian B. Duff: ''There is no provision for that in this Amend-

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Bernard B. Wolfe: ''Is there one in the Bil1?''

Brian B. Du ff: ''Yes-''

Bernard B. Wolfq: ''And who's responsibilitya''

Brian B. Duff: ''Ah.. Representative Wolfe, with your kind in-

dulgence, I would really prefer this time to ah . . vote on

the Amendment and ah.. I would be happy to discuss either

before or during the debate on the Bill, all of the merits

of the Bil1.''

Bernard B. Wolfe: ''Alright . . Thank you.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further discussion? A11 those in

favor of the ado/tion of the Amendment say 'aye' the opposed

'no ', the 'ayes' have it and .the Amendment's adopted. Are

there further Amepdments? Third reading. 3796.,'*

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House B'ill 3796 a bill for an act to#

reg'llatp and control or prevent off-shore dredging, constru -

tion, dumping, drilling and salvage operations in those

.waters of Lake Michigan forming a part cf the State of Illi

û 'd ading of the Bill. Committee Amendment No.nois. Z eon re

amdn House Bill 3796 on page by striking lines 18 and

19 andsoforth.''

Hin. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Lake, Mr. Kleineo''

John Henry Kleine: '.Mr. Speaker, Committee Amendment No. was

adopted by the unanimous consent of the Committee and I move

its' adoption-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? those in favor of the

adoption of the Amendment say 'aye' opposed 'no' the 'ayes.#

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Fredric B. Selcke: ''Conaittee Amendment No. zyamend House Bil

3796 on page 2, line 4 by deleting 'Public Workà' and inser -ing 'Transportation'. in lieu thereof; andsoforth. ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Lake, Mr. Kleinek''

John Henry Kleine: ''Mr. Speaker, likewise, this is another

mechanical Amendment that was adopted by the Committee and

I move its' adoptiön-'.

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Simmons.''

Arthur E. Simmons: ''AX . . Mr. Speaker, ah.. on this Amendment

No. 1, House Bill 3796. ah . . amends, I believe ah.. page 3eand also Amendment No. 2 does it on the same line.

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Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: nOn Amendment No. 1, which line are you

referring to?''l

- Arthur E. Simmons: ''Amendmsnt No. right up at the top. it

says amend on page 3, lines 18 and

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Right.''

Arthur E. Simmons: ''On Amendment No. 2, on line it says

paée 3, fine- . on line l9, it says page line 18 and also

on page 2, line 1..'

Hon. W . Robert Blair: nYeah . . well, wait a minute . I think'the points well taken. The second Amendment ah. . does not

appear to work in harmony with ah . . the Amendment No. sowhile we're getting that matter cleared up

, why don't

you eome up here and we'll look at and .for the moment

wetll take it out of the record while ure're getting that re-solved. 3784. 3784.

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Fredrke B. selcke: ''House Bill 3784, a bill for an act to ame d

Sections 3, 5, 11 and l2, an act to provide 1aw in relatio

tô private employment agencies. Second reading c,f the Bi11.

One Committee Amendment. Amend House Bill 3784 on page lg

line in the title andscforthv''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Mr. J.

Wo1f.''

Jacob Wolf: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, Amend-

ment No. 1 is a Committee Amendment. It does take care of

sbme misspelling and technical changes and also ah . worked

out of request from the Department of Labor changing the

provisions for Agencies making a monthly report to an annu-

al report and I move for its' adoption.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright. . A1l those in favor o'f the

adcption of the Amendment say 'aye', opposed 'no', the''aye '

have it and the Amendment's adopted. Are there further

Amendments? Third reading. 4079. Wait a minute.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment No. 2, Wolf, amend Ho'use Billrv'

3784, as amended, in Section 1, paragraph 7, by inserting

before the period which ends the third sentence of such par -

graph the follcwinga andsoforth .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman from Cook, Mr. J.

Wolf.''

Jacob J. Wolf: ''Mr. Speaker, Amendment No. 2, to House Bill

3784 would allow an Agency to interview on the premises of

an Employer ah.. Client as long as they give prior notice

to the Department of Lpbor and the Department fails to rais .

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' Hon. W. Robert Blair: nIs there further discussion? Al1 thos

in favor of the adopticn of the Amendment say 'aye', oppose

'no' the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is azopted. Are#


Eredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment No. 3, J. J. Wolf, amend House

Bill 3784 on page 1, line 1, by inserting after the word 'o '

the following: ,'and to add section la to'; and on page 1,

by deleting line 10 and inserting in lieu therecf the follo -

inga andsoforth.'' . -

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. J. J.

Wolf.n j

Jacob J. Wolf: ''Atendment No. 3 would establish a.. an Employ. ment Agency Advisory Council to work in harmony with the De

partment of Labor. Ah.. it clarifies what constitutes a'

.bonafi/; job order and ah.. on a referral slip that an &1-

ployee prospect.. a send out slipw .where adding the words

that the fee could be negotiable between Emplcyer and Employ-

ee. And also on page 7, line 35, we had directl# or indir-M

ectly and that would the Department of Labor a jurisdic .tioover unlicensed ah.. Employment Agencies and a few other

technical changes and I move its' adoption. It also define

Resume Service and Consulting Agency.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further discussion? All those in

favor of the adoption of the Amendment say 'aye' opposed. #

'no', the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted . Are

there further Amendments? Third reading. 4079. okay ah..

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Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4248, a bill for an act to make

an additional appropriation for the Accounting Revenue Divi

sion of the Secretary of State for refund and advance to

second reading of the Bill. No Copmittee Amendments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Are there Amendments from the floor?

Third reading. Alright.. now, with the reqard to 3796 so i'

can be worked out over night. It's had one Amendment put o

The other 3 or the gentleman from Lake, Mr. Kleine,

has to put on there needed to coordinate So, we're go-

ing to advance it to third so weive had it read the second

time tcday. He's gcing to ask a leave tomorrow to bring it

back to put the Amendments in streamline fashion on it. So,

we will ah'.. advance then to third reading. Committee

Reports.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Ah.. Mé. Randolph from the Committee on

Revenue from which House Bills 4437 and 4610 refer to repcr s

to sameback with recommendation of the Bills, do pass. Mr.

North, Vice-chairman of Exedutive to which House Joint Reso u-.M

tion Constitutional Amendment No. 13 was referred reported

the sameback with the recommendation that the Resolution, d

adopt.n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: .''Messages from the Senate.''

Fredric B. Selcke: message from the Senate by Mr. Wright,

secretary: Mr. Speaker I am direct to inform the House o

Representatives that he Senate has passed a bill of the foll w-

ing title, in the passage of which I am instructed to ask t

concurrence of the House. Senate B/ll 1557 passed by the. #

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Hon. W. Robert Blair : '' Introduction and F'irst Reading of the

Bills . ''

Fredric B. selcke : ''House Bill 4651. Schoeberlein, a bill èor

'An Act to amend Section l of ' An Act to provide for theV

ordinary and tontingent expenses of the Clerk of the Appell te

Court of the Second District ' . First Reading of the Bill .

4652, Gibbs et all, a bill for 'An Act to provide for the

ordinary and cont'ingent expenses of the Ccurt of Claims'.

First reading of the Bill. 4653, Lechowicz, appropriates

' $592,250 dcllars to the Depaxtment' of Finance for Electroni

Data Processing Services to the General Assembly. First

reading of the Bill. House Bill 4654, Walter, et all, appr -

priation to the Department of Conservation. First reading

of the Bill. 4656, Lindberg', et all. transfer of functions

from the Auditor of Public Accounts to the State Comptrolle .

Ah.. first reading of the Bill. 4657, Lindberg, amends an

'Act in relation to the auditor of public accounts. First

reading of the Bill. 4658, Lindberg, aménds an 'Act dealin

with Trust Funds'. First reading of the Bill. 4659, Lindbe g,

amends the 'Coal Mining Act'. First reading of the Bill.

4660, Lindberg, amends theiluvenile Court' Act'. First read

ing of the Bill. 4661, Jimmy Cartqr, et all, appropriate

$50,000 dollars to the Road Fund. First reading of the Bil .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. one further Bill on Second

reading, leave and go back there. House Bill 4500.'.

Fredric B. Selcke: nHouse B.il1 4500, a bill for an act to

a'mend Section 4.2 of an Act in relation to the Rate of In-

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ments. Amendment No. 1, amend House Bill 4500 on page 1,

andsoforthmn

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Carroll.''

Howard W. Carroll: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gen le-

men of the House. The two Committee Amendments on House

Bill 4500 were to correct some problems in drafting with

the Reference Bureau with the late date. There will be an-

other clarifying one tomorrow. I ask' it to be advanced to

Third.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any objecticn? All opposed in the

favor of the adoption of the Amendment say 'aye' opposed- . .#

aup.. wait a minute. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Kipley.''Edward L. Kipley: ''AH.. Mr. Speaker, point of perscnal pri/il ge,

I would like very much to hear ah . . what the gentleman justsaid, if he'd mind repeating it, please.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A1right..''

Howard W. Carroll: ''Yes.. . Mr. Kipley, I said that there were. ..A

that these Amendments were Committee Amendments. They were

adopted in Committee. There was some problem in the original

drafting of the Bill at the Reference Bureau. These Amend-

ments were to put the Bill partially in the shape that I

wanted it. There will be another clarifying Amendment to-

morrow, but we have to advance it to Third for it to be eli-

gible. The Bureau has not been able to get that out yet.u

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any Yurther discussion? Al1 those in

lavor cf the adoption of the Amendment say 'aye', opposed

'no' the 'a es' have it and the Amendment ' a ted. Arc.

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Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment No. 2, amend House Bill 4500 on

page in line 29, andsoforth.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr- Carroll.'''

Howard W. Carroll: ''The Bill was to add one word in a few

places. I ask for its' adoption.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. All those in favor of the

adoption of the Amendment say 'aye' opposed 'no' the 'ayes'#

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have it and the Amendment is adopted. Third reading. Al-

' right.. the Minority Leader has ivdicated that we will not

proceed tc Resolutions. Ah.. have those tomorrow. Have th

Resolutions read tomorrow. The gentleman from Cook, Mr.

Hyde'''

Henry J. Hyde: ''AX.. Mr. Speaker, Mr. Blades had an announce-

ment to make. Do you, Mr. Blades? May I yield to hima''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Surely. The gentleman from Wayne, Mr.

Blades-''

Ben C. Blades: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Hous ,

there will be a meeting of the Conservation and Resources

Committee immediately after adjournment in Room 212...Room 212.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright..''

Henry Hyde: ''Mr. Speaker, ah.. I now move the House stand'j! adjourned until the hour of 9:30 A.M. tomorrow morning-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nAll those in favor of the motion to ad-

journ say 'aye', opposed Jno' the 'ayes' have it and the

House stands adjourned.''

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