- - -.L. * ' -

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

SEVENW -SEVENTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY

ONE HUNDRED THIRTY-FOURTH LEGIS LATIVE DAY

MAY l5,

2:00 O'CLOCK P.M.

THE HONORABLE ROBERT BLAIR,

SPEAKER IN THE Ci'GIR

'

jl

i

oq7 .=,52..' , 6 '? : c'-a''h7' G E N E 11 A L A S S E M 8 L YI If ? : .

. - . ':' j. .k . k . r svaa..c o,. I t.r-' rq oIsç . , , . / 'I

., w- -' -' *zZ/ j< ouue o 1- r:rr '-iz'ut e.' lzvl7': %, .:sxhr'.' f. :. 'rL--jj)''v.

. ). .

A roll call for aktcndance was taken and indicated that

a11 were present with the excepticn ofathe following:

Representative George M. Burditt - no reason given;

Representative' James Y . Carter illness;

Representative William D. Cox - official business;

lkepresentative Giddy Dyer - no reason given;

Representative Horace Gprdner - depth;

Representative Thomas Houde no reason given;

Representative Henry J. Klosak illness;

Representative Michael H. McDermott illness;

Representative Edward Shaw - death;

Representative Arthur E. Simmons - no reason given;

Representative John W . Thompson - no reason given.

!. 1 A 1 :. Nw:' ê>..

...! h $ 4 . r,. .) p'... ) 'T-> û G E N E 11 A L A S S E M 11 1. YI q .. . , ?:.') ) vwvqc o,- 1 uk-laols$ t f )(. .J & sk- .)J.r'. -'z..,'-. ' 'fousc o s a cer.cscx.r avyw ss

2.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The House will be in order and those

persons not entitled to the floor will be removed 'therefrom.

The invocation will be by our House Chaplain, Dr. John

Johnson.''

Dr. John Johnson: ''We pray. Merciful God, we invoke your2

Presencewith us this afternoon and a11 of the Sessions this

week. Grant tha: we may ever be ready'to receive your

words and treasure your Commandments. Make our years atten

tive to wisdom and incline our hearts to understanding. Be

a shield of defense to us and to a1l who walk in integrity.

z' 'Grapt that we'may understand Righteousness, Justiee and '

Equity. And thak we may seek to walk in your ways. Deliver

us from evil and those of pe/verted speeeh, who would for-

sake the paths cf' uprightness to walk in the ways of dark-

ness. Let us never forget your teachings. Let not loyalty

or faithfulness forsake us. Teach us to trust in You with

al1 of 'our heart and rely not upon our own insightsr Keep'us frcm appearing wise in our own eyes as we fear and honor

xr '

your holy name. In this wisdom, o Lcrd, let us walk today

on our way securely that you, O Lord, will continue to be

our confidence. We pray for this wiidom in the name of Him,

who is our Wisdo'm and Righteousness, even Our Savior, Jesus

Christ. Amen.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Roll call for attendance. The gentle-

man from Union, Mr. Choate.''

Clyde L. Choate: ''Mr. Speakùr, would you please 1et the Joùrna

reflect the illness of Representative James Carter, who is

s-o.s-xoo..o..x-oxo-oo-jyjjy .j , s v jyS '->% ' G E N E R A L A S S E M 11 L Y

? y... -. .jI 1 f ' J )'. y J sv-vc os 1 uulslo'sC ,!J :.y . jpk .'=. . s o u s t.: o s R c p, s e: s u e4 'r A. x. t v c: s

3.

wbo is hospitulized and Representative McDermott.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The Journal will so show. Alright..' with the leave of the House, we will go to the order of

Resolutions.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Joint Resolution, Hydo:

WHEREAS, An issue, dated May l1: 1972 of the IFT Capitol

New Raund-up, a publication qf the Illinois Federation of

Teachers, AFL-CIO, edited by Oscar A. Weil, charged that th

Illinois Education Association 'has approached many legis-

lators with offers of money, staff assistance and other?

support in return for votes in favor cf House Bill 3632 or

senate Bill 1112' and

WHEREAS, It is imperative that a full and prompt investiga-

tion of these charges be made in order that prompt remedial

and punitive acticn may be taken in the event of any wrong-

doing and also that any cloud cast on the reputations of

innccent parties by such indefinite and unsubstantiated

charges by remcved; andv-*

WHEREAS, The Illinois Legislative Investigating Coanission

Act establishes a permanent eommission of the General Assem ly

with power to investigate, pursuant to resolution adopted b

both houses, any matter upon which the General Assembly may

legislate; therefore, be it

RESOLVED, By the House of Representatives of the Seventy-

seventh General Assembly of the State of Illinois, khe

Senate concurring herein, that the Illinois Legislative

Investigating Ccmmission, pursuant to its powers under the

NJ..:y # y vyX) -> Ve $ G E N E R A L A S S E M 13 L Y/ r .. . .tf ) ï ' ,;. 1 ,4 , . , sanvu o,z 'uu,-oks$:î k-'r nkz ''. ' aseasssojxxvsvus82 . 'xou'se os#z1 gs%*

4.

Illinois Legislative Investigating Cormlission Act, be

directed to conduct a prompt and thorough investigation int

the charges made by Oscar A. Weil', of the Illinois Federati n

of Teachers, concerning alleged misconduct with respect Eo

legislative matters on the part of the Illinois Education

Association, and to report its findings and recommendations

to the two houses of the Gençral Assembly on or before

June 5, 1972.'.

Hcn. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman ffom Christian, Mr.

Tipsword.''

Rolland F. Tipsword: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen Gf

the House, ah.. I would move you that this House Joint Reso 1u-

tion l34 be adopted immediately upon the waiving of the

appropriate Rules of the House.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. The gentleman has asked for

leave to waive the provisions of Rule 53a, so that this

matter may be considered immediately. Does the gentleman

have leave? Alright, the rule is suspended and now back

to the gentleman from Christian, Mr. Tipsword.''

Rolland F. Tipsword: ''T now move you. Mr. Speaker, that this

House Resolution do not be adopted by this House

of Representatives.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Is there discussion? Al1

those in favor of the adoption of the Resolution say 'aye',

opposed 'no' the 'ayes' have it and the Resolution is

adopted. Now we'll go back to.-...-Alright.. House Bills

Third Reading. House Bill 179.''

.%' J * x/ ? >? .':

47177 R':t : G E N E R A L A S S E M B L YI t' t.' '

ï: c ) svxve or- 'uu, xo's!z2k IZ.J$.x- ..4t// .m . -- Elou su os r. uerz escpivnvsw ss

' .'' l f ; v . $ . :e%

5.Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 179

. of bill for an Act to

amend 'The Illinois Drainage Code'. Third reading of the

Bill '' '

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The genkleman from Cook, Mr. Juckett.''

Robert S. Juckett: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, this is Bill in regMrd to the Department of

Transportation. When the original series went through.neglected to chahge a portion of the statute to reflect the

new Department of Transportation. And this Bill will do

just that. And I urge adoption or the Bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there further discussion? The ques

tion is, 'shall House Bill l79 pass?'. All those favor

will vote 'aye', and the opposed Have all voted whowished? The Clerk will take the reeord

. On this question,there are 13l 'Ayes', and no 'Nays', and this Bill having

received the Constitutional majority is hereby declared

passed. House Bill 181.':

d ic B Selcke: ''An Act to amend an Act relating to theEre r .

Illinois and Michigan Canal. Third reading of the Bill. ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Ccok: Mr. Juckett.''

Robert S. Juckett: ''Mr. Speaker, would as'k leave to include

House Bill 182 and 187, because they pertain to the same

matter of ehanging the name to the Department of Transporta-

tion.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nDoes the gentleman have leave? TheClerk will read l82 and 187. ''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Hcuse Bill 1*2, an Aet to amend an Aet

..r jo.& A êêê.c' 8 t ,w % ' G E N E R A L A S 61 E M 11 L Yt. j .. . ... .j' j k,l . .. ; . xxvs os , uj-,s .,sf' ?y ,,..'a t l s$ f/'f ' . ' v. ' s o t) s E o Fr r? E e n t.: G 1: p? 'r A 'r 1 v tt s4t , . . qe .

6.

relating to the Illinois Michigan Canal. Third reading of

the Bill. House Bill an Act to amend an Act relating

to Lake Calumet. Third reading of the Bil1.''

Robert S. Juckett: ''Mr. Speaker and Iuadies and Gentlemen of

the House, these three Bills are similar to 179 where it

changes the name of the various Departments to the Depart-

ment of Transportation to conform with the Act creating

that Department. And I urge the suppcrt of these three

Bi 11 s . ''

' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there fufther discussion? The ques

tion is, 'shall these three Bills pass?'. Al1 those in

favor will vote 'aye', and the opposed 'no'. The Clerk wilz

take three Roll Calls. Have all vcted who wished? The Cle 'k

will take the records. On each of these Bills the vote is

l38 'Ayes', and 1 'Nay', and each of these Bills having

received the Constitutional majority is hereby declared

passed. House Bill 4160.'1

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4160, a bill for an Act to ame d

an Act relating to State Finance. Third reading of the Bil .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Regner.n

David Regner: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, House Bill 4160 repeals a.section cf the State

Finance Aet that prohibits the Bill from eontaining an

appropriation for more than one Officez Department Agency

or Commission. The repeal of this Section was allowed for

a consolidation of appropriations for more than one Agency

y yu ayyow a more..to be incorporated in one Bill. Th s wou

,s-zga:.p.azt- 8 , -w-:t'% G p; N E It A L A S S E 51 B L Y$31- -. 'it ; a..)- '.p i 1 svax.c oe ,uu,eqo'sh..' %lk n''' '-. 'aowse os sseauscruvavtvri:sxx n,.:.z.L. La wx+

7.

a better overlook or overview of the total appropriations

for this specific area. I solicit your favorable vote on

this Bi1)..''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea.'''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Will the Sponsor yield for a question? As

I understand the proport of this legislation, it's that

a11 appropriation may be madq in one Bill or that appropria

tions to the several Agencies in the Department of State

Government could be made into two or three Bills. Is that :

correct?''

David Regner: ''That is correct.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Inotherwords, this legislation were to

pass, we could amend or the Governor or whoever declded to

could puk in cne appropriaiion Bill to cover all expenses

in any one calendar of fiscal year by this General Assembly.

Is that correct?''

David Regner: nHe could, Representative Shea, or they coul?be done... Inotherwords, this Bill then would further allow

us to facilitate our Constitutional Mandate with regards to

limiting the appropriations by this Body to the amount of

available revenue we find.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Yes, Sir. think that it is an extremely

good Bi1l.''

Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Is there further discussion? The ques-

tion is, 'shall this Bill pass?'. A11 those in favor will

vote 'aye' and the opposed 'no'. Have al1 voted who wished?F

'

Now. in order to facilitate the business for the rest of the

. &s. ; . f,a.y%..r: : ...,..w 'v x G I.'S N Ià It A L A S S E 51 11 1. Y;) t( . . . r z. , jj'/ ç . g fJ(.,' :' ) s'r A. 'r tc o p- I u u 1 N o I s. .ta';/ C'. ' . u o t, s t.: o s n c p r' c s s pl .r ,q v l v c s. 4 , '' '

.L*' t. . ' t

*.

day, I ' m not going to recognize these votes when the switch . s

are open. They are open now and there going to have to

come up and put your nalno on the ah . . sheet here , if you ' re

going to be a'dded . Have all voted who wished? The Clerk

will take the record. On this question, there are 131 'Ayes',

and 'Naysu and this Bill having received the Ccnstitutio al

majority if hereby declared passed. Hôuse Bill 4161.1'

Fredric B. selcRe: nHouse Bill 4161, an Act in relation to

state Finance. Third reading of the Bi1l.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. R>gner-''

David 'J. Regner: .'MX. speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the '

Hcuse, House Bill 4161 amends the State Finance Act to pro-

vide that the Chairman and Minority Spokesman of the House

Appropriations cdnu ittee and the Appropriations Division of

the Senate Public Finance Committee receive informational

copies of transfers of Appropriations among line items. .

Currently, these records are sent only to the Clerk .of the

House apd Secretary of the Senate and it is actually the

Appropriations Committee pecple that are using these. And

I would solicit your favorable vote on this Bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Further discussion? The questionzis,

'shall this Bill pas'sa'. A1l those in favor will vote 'aye',

and the opposed Have a11 v'otçd who wished? The Clerk

will take the record. On this question, there are 139 'Ayes',

'Nays', and this Bill having received the Constitutional

majority is hereby declared passed. 4590.',

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4590, a bill for an Act to ame ;

- - - - - - -.*. r.,.,

, . ' ) t '---e'e G E N E R A L A s s E M B L Yvt tt% . - . 1 'l

j +. , . . . 1 sv a vc o p. I uul o' o Isjo f . ; .r.,? .V? H okl t; E o F !? E P $4 Lçs E bl TA 'r ' < ESx .t ' .s.

9.

an Act,to regulate the disclosure of information concerning

firearm registrants. Third reading of the Bi11.''

Hon. W. Rober: Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Kosinski.'

Roman J. Kosinski: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, I am proud to say that this Bill passed Judiciary 11

with an unanimous vote. It came about by recent editorials

which agitated for public disclosure of gun registration

records. M àile the reasoning behing this may have been of

some merit, the dangers in my mind far outweigh the advan-

. tages. Public disclosure of gun.registration records will

essentially provide a catalogue, a catalogue locations

of weapons for any burglar or other felon who wishes such

a source of deadly weapons. With increased measures of gun

control potentially to be mandated, the possibility cf in-

creased illicit traffic of guns on other potential industry

is becoming apparent. To provide the criminal with tailor

made sources of these guns is ridiculous. The 1aw biding

citizen, and I speak specifically of Chicago, and it could.A

extend to the rest of the State, who complied with gun regi -

tration didn't presume that he would put his home and his

family in jeopardy by burglary and home 'invasion with suchcompliance. In fact, in our area, he was assured that was

not. He deserves the protection of secrecy of cwnership.

And I ask for your vote on this Bil1.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: there further discussion? The gentle-

man care to close?''

Roïan Kosinski: ''In closing, Gentlemen, the Bill mandakes

x%k% 1 tzw. tb ., ! ( -rxX G E N E 11 A L A S S P M 11 L Y: :'s t - - . :: i;tk s l'.o lzt > i s'rhx.u o'- 'uu'eqo'sF. - '*? .-:' - ig o u s e: o F' ,' c e '. a s u r4 v ,. v I v Iz sx ,,. v.s.

J' .

10

that these records will be open to authorized Law Enforce-

ment .Agencies and, of course , to tlle Courts . tphank you . ''

Hon.'W . Robert Blair: ''The question is, 'shall thls Bill passz'.

A1l those in favor will vote and the opposed 'no'.

Have a1l voted who wished? The take the record.: 'on this question, there are l48 'Ayes', and no 'Nayg', and

this Bill having received the Constitutional mâjority is

hereby declared passed. House Bill 4361.1'

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4361, a bill for an Act to

dmend the 'County Cooperative Extension Law'. Third readin

of the Bill-.'

Hon. W . Rcbert Blair: qThe gentleman from Livingston, Mr.

Hunsicker.''

Carl T. Hunsicker: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlêmen of

the House, House Bill 4361 amends the 'County Cooperative

Extension Law'. Provides for creation of Executive Council

composed of Representatives of Counties and County Councils.

Specifies additional powers of the County Councfl. Changes

the term from the County Board of Supervisors to County

Commissioners to the County Governing Board. Provides for

state appropriations to the Extension Board and Agriculturall

Premium Funds for Cooperative Extension Service programs.

It increases the amounts Governing Boa rds may appropriate

from General Corporate Funds for Extension Programs reduced

by the amount of other Private Grants.''

Ilon . W . Robert Blair : ''Diseussion? Further Discus sion? 'JlAe

question is, 'shall tllis Bill pass?'l. A1l those in favor

.'k. t N

'

l , .. h + ;j 4 .. ' v o s s E M lJ I 5/, ' , J '-. '; G E N E R A L A -, ) jyy. ., . j( : c.. ? :' 7 : : s 'r A 'r c cz p. ' u u ' r4 o l s'y . ' L/J ' -%7 . . . e, ck u s tc o g' I v tc e a t: s c: e4 x. A v . v e sx . . ' t w4.xzov. , b e

' l1.

Will Vote 'aye' ançi the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who

wished? The Clerk will take the record. On this question.

there are l42 'Ayes', and no 'Nays', and this Bill having

received the' Constitutional majority if hereby declared

passed. House Bill 4300.''

Eredria B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4300, a bill for an Act to

amend an Act relating to Counties. Third reading cf the

Bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The' gentleman from Knox, Mr. McMaster.''

A. T. McMaster: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, House Bill 4300 brought. on by the new Constitution. .

It says, in effect, that we are adding a Section stating Ithat the State Law prevails bver County Ordinance when the

two conflict regarding powers and duties of County Officers.

I would be glad to answer any questions. And I urge suppor

of this Bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further discussion? The qqestion

is, 'shall this Bill passa'. All those in favor will votexM '

'aye', and the opposed 'no'. Have al1 voted who wished?

The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there

are 141 'Ayes', and no 'Nays', and this Bill having receive'

the Constitutional majority is hereby declared passed.

4393.'.

Fredric B. Seleke: ''House Bill 4393, bill for an Act to

amend the 'Illinois Veterans Commission Act'. Third readin

of the Bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Stark, Mr. Nowlan-n

J.7jm' 'u. e 8 . -> Ae . G E N E It A t. A S S E M 13 L Yj. y. . yl s ?- )è-'.' : 1 s'r a're: o 1- ' u u' ,. o ks(

'

N. . %è.q l f . . . . & +

l2.

James D. Nowlan: ''Mr. Speakar and Members, this proposal

simply provides that those persons who have served during

the Viet Nam conflict may also be considered among those pe -

sons ah.. who could be appointed to the Illihois Veteran:

Cormkission which is a three Member Commission. And I ask

for your favorable support on this proposal.n

Hon. W Robert Blair: ''Is there discussion? 'Jhe question is,

'shall this Bill pass'ê'. Al1 those in favor will vote 'aye'

and the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who wished? The Cler

will take the record. Un this qubstion, there are 136 'Aye ',and no 'Nays', and this Bill having received the Constituti nal

majority if hereby declared passed. House Bill 4394.11 .

i '' Bill 4394 an Act to amend theFredr c B. Selckq: Hcuse ,

'Military and Naval Code'. 'Third reading of the Bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman frcm Stark , Mr. Ncwlan-''James D. Nowlan: ''Mr. Speaker and Members, this proposal simp y

clarifies the faet that the Illinois National Guard and the

Adjutant Genexal have authority to make and enter into con-

.x<

tract agreements with the Federal GovermtAent on matters re-lated to the Guard and the Naval Militia

. The Guard had

previously been entering into many agreezents with the

Federal Government related to equipment . But they want this

authority clarif ied and this simply gives them clear authori-ty to do what they have been for several years

. I ask for

tc ,,your suppor .

Hon . W . Robert Blair : '' Discus sicn? The queétion is , ' shall

this pass?.. those in favor will vote 'aye', and

. s%'-ôj---Lï.. ..:N% g.. ui à j 'm-.xAe k G E N E R A L A S S E M lJ L Yf tt -. '. . . 'à( ... .r ,k . Llvï ;: ) sv a.v s o s ' u u , .. o . sh ,.Y' V ' r . w s cj uj s u o j r j 4 c jy y4 j: s E a a' n. >' j u E. s.C .'. . ' .s.

'

13

the opposed 'no'. Have all... 1%e gentleman from Cook , Mr.

Lechowicz.''

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: ''Mr. Speaker, ask ycur indulgence in

requesting if the Sponsor would yield to a questiona''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Proceed.''

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Without know

ing who is presently entering these Contracts, I was wonder

ing if this Bill passes would the final approval. . or would

the approval of the Adjutant General in conjunctionwith theGbvernor of the State of Illinois?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman from Stark, Mr. Nowlan.'.

James D. Nowlan: 'iTed, as I understand it, the ah.. the Gov-

ernor as the Commander and chief would have the final autho i-

but this Bill delegates authority to the Adjuta'nt Gen-

eral to enter into these many agreements over the millions

of dollars of equipment which the Federal Government assign

to the Guard Units- And this is ah.. the type of relation-

ship which I understand they've had for many years. But, # #

'

the Guard went to the Attorney General to ah . . clarify ah. .

the extent to which they had the authority . The Attorney

General advised' that while there was implied authority to

execute these types of Contracts, it was not clearly define .

And so this was the reason for

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: nThank you .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Okay. Have all voted who wished? The

Clerk will take the record. On thi's question, there are

14O 'Ayes', and no 'Nays', and this 'Bil1 having received the

, sy. $. . .; '-''> ', r. G E N E lt A L A S S E M B t. Y',j' - , , 't , . s( 7-.t vt . . s-rn-rc os 'uu'pzc,'$.- ' l..hs -'=. -z' . sousc oe ncesssc-vxvlwsss 1, ' ' .% eTz . .. . s

14

Contitutional majority is hereby declared passed. 4074.1'

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4074, a bill Tor an Act to

amend 'The Vehicle Code'. Third reading of the Bi11.'' .

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Vermillion, Mr. Crasg-''

Robert Craig: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, House

Bill 4074 provides that legislative service for the purpose

of.assigning of license plates being based on the saae num-

ber of years that he has been paid his Pension Plan. He's

been paid for twelve yearp, but on his license plate, he's

only receiving ten years. This come about when he was

sexving in the Senate reapporkioned out in the middle of .

his term and he was paid for the remainder two years. This

would put him back in his Sehiohity where he belongs. I

urge your support of this measure-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: there any....''

Robert Craig: ''He's cne of our own Members here. Right oh

the floor cf the House.''

Hdn. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Hyde.''

Henry Hyde: ''Well, I think, Mr. Speaker, that that Member

ought to be identified. Especially if he's wearing a red

ùaeket . ''Hon. W. Robert Bliir: .''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Garmisa.''

Benedict Garmisa: ''While a got a mouth full of sandwich, Ar.

Speaker, this merely corrects M inequity that's been on ou

books which the handbook actually shows me with ten years o

service. I do have twel/e. I was elected to four year

term in the Senate redistricted out after two years. And

, l a '- . c Iï x s R A t, A s s p: M 1$ L, v.' ) ... 1 -'> r .J 7J . ; L .: t '( ; k s'r a TE o t' ' L.t.' N o I sî - ,: c: -? z . rr s s p a s s s sl v a v 1 v t: s$: v r . v. 11 o ta s e o. <i ;, , . & w

' l5.

this can not be done administratively and this is the only

way the Secretary of State can achieve his ah.. take'

care of this inequity. Thank you.'''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Further discussion? All those in fivo

to pass this Bill will vote 'ayê', the opposed 'no'. Have

all voted who wished? The Clerk will take the record. On

this question, there are 13O 'Ayes', and no 'Nays', and this

Bill having received the Constitutional majority is hereby

declared passed. 4495.''

Fredric B. selcke: nHouse Bill 4495, a bill for an Act to

amend 'The School Code'. Third reading of the Bill.''

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Glass-''

Bradley M. Glass: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and

Gentlemen. House Bill 4495 changes the name of the Buildin

Fund to the Operations Fund. Ah.. this applies to Elementa

and setondary School Zoning. Ah.. there's been scme con-

fusion over the years by the name Building Fund which re-

ceives Bo State Aid. Many people voting in referendum be-

lieves that it applies only or ah... specific:ally to new

eonstruction of buildings when, in fact, the primary purpose

of the Fund is to maintain the operations of the building.

so, this Bill which was requested by many School Boards

particularly in the Cook County Area will change the name

'Building' to 'Operation'. Ah.. it ah.. had no opposition

in Committee and I urge your support.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? The question is, 'shall

this Bill pass?'. A1l those in favor will vote 'aye' and#

. C*X& 1'*. ''r )> rj ( -. ra 'o ' . G E N E lt A L A S S E M B L Yj 4.-:. 'j. z . lx ' 7 :. : a k s v a. 'r E o s I u u I rq o 1 s$ J w .* AV '7' - Housc oe Rcerglustlpl'rl'r Iv us

16

the opposed . no ' . Have all voted who wished? Tlàe Clerk

will take the record . On tlzis qpzestion, there are 14.1 ' Aye. ' .

and no 'Nays', md this Bill having received the' Constitutiol -

al majority is bereby declared passed. 4.496.'' '

Predric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4496, a bill for an /ct to

amend the 'Public Junior College Act'. Third reading of

the Bi1l.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook , Mr. Glass.''

Bradley M. Glass: nThank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentle-

men. This is a similar Bill to the one that we just passed.It, however, applies to Junior Colleges and after the re-

question cf the'lunior Colleges ah. . the name instead of

'Operations' will be 'Building and Maintenance'. request

a favorable roll call.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook , Mr. Juckètt.''

Robert S. Juckett: ''Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield for

a questionan

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nHe indicates that he will- '''.-e

Robert S. Juckett: ''Are any of these funds available for

building classroomsa''

Bradley M. Glass: ''l'm not able to give you a specific answer,

Bob. Ah.. it's my understanding that ah . . . the monies can

certainly be used for maintenanee and ah . . additions to exis -

. ing facilities. But, the primary purpose is for maintenanc .

The name, I might indicate again, the name change does not

change the substantive portion of the law. It's merely the

name of tho Funds.''

. :...ap ,,.. > Jy . - -s rr % G E N E It A L A s S E M B L Y, i t.p .. . h :t '-l . 1) ' ' 4 ( R i s 'r A. 4 ' e: . o F 1 u u 1 r: o 1 sk,

-. .,';t'k. ,.,,,L

. ''

souë;s oj, sselvcsicrq.rax.vjssizz;

' 17

Robert S. Juckett: ''We11, my understanding is that b0th in

the last Bill where it was changed from the 'Building Fnnd'

. to 'Operations' and on this cne that these funds can indeed

be used for building purposes. And I think that we mighz

be misleading some of the people when we change the name

of the 'Fund' away from 'Building'. And think that this

might be a bad idea rather than trying to truly identify

what the Fund is' for-''

Bradley M. Glass: ''Well I think that ah. . your comments are

appropriate. I might only say to kou that for new construe-tion of buildings and the sale of bonds to provide for them

there, of course, would have to be voter approval. And

that's something entirely different. But the purposes of

a Building Fund are specifically stated and I think that

the, as I indicated, the general confusion has been that

this Fund applies only to constructicn and I think that the

name, especially in this case, Building and Maintenance is

appropriatey''.--'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Further discussion? The question is,

'shall this Bill pass?'. All thoie in favor will vote 'aye'#

'

and the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who wished? The Cler

will take the reeord. On this question, there are l34 SAye '#and 2 'Nays', and this Bill having received the constitutio al

majority is hereby declared passed. 4289.''

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 42894 bill for an Act to amend

'The Park District Codel.. Third reading of the Bill. ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Champaign, hœ .

w ''''YJ % ' *' 'xq . .L '

.) /% : --J' . G E N E lt A L A S S E hl B k, Y, ft-' . . 't, s ï,. . Juq k ) s w ..r is o e. I u u 1 ,q o ' st

'

.$ . .?; / =. . s ss IsI v gv.r $ v ynsq :. . H o tl s tc o F n c era... . f , , .so

l8.

John C. Hirschfeld: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and

Gentlemen of the House. This is a very simple Bill. Park

' Districts already have the authorization to issue revenue

bonds for the acquisition of tennis courts, and in some

areas, for zoos. Because of the nulaber of old people that

are now being brought into prdvrams in the various Park

Districts throughout the State of Illinois, it has' been

requested that it be extended for other recreational pur-

poses. And that's all this Bill will do is add other re-.

. creational purposes to tennis, zdos which is already per-

mitted by State Statute. .I'd appreciate favorable roll

Ca 11 . ''

Hon. Robert Blair: HFurther discussion? The question is.

'shall this Bill pass?'. All those in favor will vote 'aye',

and the cpposed 'no'. Have all voted who wished? The Cler

will take the record. On this question, there are 138 'Aye ',

and 3 'Naysu and this Bill having received the Constitutio al

majority if hereby declared passed. 4483.''

Jack O'Brien: nHouse Bill 4483, a bill for an Act to amend

'The Election Code'. Third reading of the Bi1l.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from 'Kane, Mr. Waddell-''

R. Bruce Waddell: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

Hous ee What.this Bill does is require Clerks and Boards

of Election Commissioners to ah.. furnish you. upon your

request. and at no cost to ycurself. or those who are run-

ning for Stàte Office, copy of the Audit of the results

of the Election. Ah.. ask your support.''

yk..yj.: j j. y ,., ? '? -. MX' G E N E lt A Iw A S S E M B L, Y. j' ï.. -. ,,; !-) j lrxoksî js-.r ...?. 8 $ .' , G Y' ?% T EQ O P' t' L$$-.- ;- . . , .

z el o u s c o ir n tr e 14 E: sc 'u 'r A a. I v us. *tt .. ,s*

l9.

llon . W . Robert Blair : ''The gentleman f rom Cook , Mr . u'r.

Wolf . ''

Jacob J. Wolf: ''Just one question to the Sponsor.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates 1ae'll yield.''

Jacob J. Wolf: ''AK.. Representative Waddell, this abstract

to vote, would that be prècinct by precinct?''

R. Bruce Waddell: ''Correct.n

Jacob J. Wolfz ''That's what your talkin? Not just the total?'R. Bruce Waddell: ''Correct.''

Jacob J. Wolf: ''Thank you.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Lechowicz.''

Thaddeus Lechowicz: ''Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield

to a questiona''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates he wil1.''

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: ''I agree with the concept of the Bill,

but I was wondering if any one has rated the possibility of

thg time involved. It says two days after receipt. Now,

it's fipe if you have a small number of elections or your

County is of a certain size. But, I was wondering exactly

what difficulty this would pose for the County of Cook and

also the Chicago Board of 'Election Commissioners. think

that you give them a realistie date, they could possibly

abide by itx'

R. Bruce Waddell: nl don't believe ah.. that is the case, be-

cause of what they really do is it's taken at the time of

the canvas. There are dopies that are made. One copy, for

example, sent doul here, other copies for both the Chair

. x.xtcmx.s' .? b 'N o . G F; N E R A L A S S E M B L Y' ... . ! rz $l tr itl ' .:., )bn tt 6 ; 7 sv a'rc o e. î uu I el o I s$$, . 'Q; ....Y ' . s o u s c o s j4 u e a c: s e: ,4 x. ,. v. , u u sx a,.v ,

' b.s+

2O.

man of b0th political Parties and 'it would be merely the

making of an additional copy.''

Thaddeus S. Lechoxicz: ''But, I don't believe that they sent'inct by precinct. I think that they give youit down prec

a total as far as the total vote within the City of Chicago

and the give you a total vote of the City of Chicago and

Coôk County.'' '

R. 'Bruce Waddell: ''What this really does is the fact that in

the areas where you have many Counties in a Distriet, for

example, Downstate, in my own case, five Counties, it would

take all day just to go from cne County seat to the cther 'without time to copy anything. What this says, in effect,

and we have Districts that have twelve Counties in them.

What this says, ln effect, is that you shall be furnished

this upon your request. And therefore, you do not have to

take a weeks time out to just run around and try to copy .

thi: . ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: 'lThe gentleman from McLeane Mr. Hall.''

Harber Ha1l: ''Representative Waddell, I wonder if when you

ask for an abstract that includes al1 of the Offices.......

an abstract that includes every Office and every Candidate

in a1l of the precihctg, and this is quite a lengthy thing,

I wonder if your Bill, since I haven't read it, would indi-

cate that ah- those Candidates who request this are re-

questing only those Offices... only thope State Offices,

not al1 other County and Local Offices-''

i Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Kane. Mr. Waddell.'' 'j * .

! ZJCV%. o h . -.-. 'e G E N E R A L A S S E M 8 L Y: .7/ ti- .. . ),.t .:? ç. .) . ) s'r''l e: orz ' uu. No's. q.. 17. * c o Ir a u p. ;R Izs 11 N 'r AY 1 v tE5. . 14 o kl S.. f . s .% .4.

21

R. Bruce Waddell: ''The Bill states that for only your own

Offiee and only in your own District.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further discussion? The gentleman

care to close?''

R. Bruce Waddell: ''No.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''No: alright. The question is,. 'shall

this Bill pass?'. A1l those in favor will voie 'aye', and

the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who wished? The Clerk

will take the record. On this question, there are lOl 'Aye ',

and 2 'Naysu and this Bill having received the Constitutio al

majority is hereby declared passed. 2890. House Bill 2890..''. IJack O'Brien: ''House Bill 2890, a bill for an Act to amend

an Act relating to judicial review. Third reading of the

Bil1.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. The gentleman ah.. from Cook,

ah . Mr. Shea-''

Gerald Shea: ''Mr. Speaker, with leave of the House, I woul

like to table House Bill 2890. before our ppor Majorityx-e

Leader has a stroke over there.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Does the gentleman have leave? Alrigh ..

we'll table 2890. 2426-.'

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 4426, a bill for an Act to amend

the 'Illinois Local Library Act'. Third reading of the Bil .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Sangamon, Mr. Jones.''

David Jones: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, at the present time, the Ldcal Library Act, the

building under the Board of Diree*drs may lease from a Publi '.

v%,

.j' 1..).:' ' ' , .p . à;. . . . p. , u u 1 ,.j o k s( î- ?- . . . - .: s r z. 'rs o. 2 r. . vjw ssX. &.t . HotasE oer R EF'n EfJENTAx. *s j svx'b

. z ., .

22.

Building Commission a Library facility for only in the Citi s

Of 500,000 Or more. This Bill deleUes the language of' 500.000 or more. So, Downstate Libraries, ah.. may be elig'-

ble. I move for 'a favorable vote-''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Is there... The gentleman from Cook,

Mr. Shea.''

Gerald W. shea: ''Are you changing the provision with regards

to the 20 years or was that in there before? Because. it

just got extended io 40, I think.''' David Jones: ''It's removing the 500,000 as a limit so that

Downstate Cities may..-''

Gerald W. Shea: ''I don't know if this Bill was drafted in the

reference Bureau, but the power are enumerated, think,

specifically in this Section of the Aet, were extended from

20 to 40 years in conformity with the new Constitution.

And I'd hate ko see we find ourselves in a hvatus were we'v

got aho.ah.. we pass appiece Of legislation changing it fro

the 40 back to the 20. So, could you look at that, please,x.'R

DZVQ ? ''

David Jones: ''I meant to change, if necessary. Yes, Sir.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there any discussion? The ques-

tion is, 'shall this Bill pass?'. All .those in faior will

vote 'aye' and the opposed 'no'. Have a11 voted who wishe ?#

The clerk will take the record. On this question, there ar

'Ayes', and no 'Nays', and this Bill having received

the Constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. 433 .''

Jaclc O ' Brien : ''House Bill 4331, a bill for an Act to amend

$ * '''h ez..- Az . G E N E R h L h s S 1! M I 1 L Y:. .r 't:k:S': -. :.. i,l s vy ' t :. J ST AT C O ST 1 L L 1 Pl f:h I ST ' p'y u & / .. . 'C4? 'C ' ' pl o u s r: o F f: t; e 14 E s r: :1 'r J& 'r 1 V f( S%t. ' 'c$k*

' 23

' The Pension Code ' . Third reading of the Bill . ''

Hon. W .,Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Moorev''

Don A. Moore: ''Mr. Speaker, I would like to.have Yeave to

have House Bills 4332 and 4333 ah.. considered in the same

package. Their companion Bills that pertain to Senate Bill

1180 which in the House. There is an undershanding that

these Bills will be held in the Senate pending upon what

this House does with Senate Bill 1180..'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Does the gentleman have leave? Is

there objection? The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Are you talking about 1130, now?''

Don A. Moore: ''No'. No. I'm talking about House Bills 4331, '

4332 and 4333 which are companion Bills that bring into

line ah.. the 'Pension Code' 'The Vunicipal Codel'and

'The Civil Service Act'. To bring them in line with senate

Bill 1130, which is on the ah.. Senate Calendar, second

Reading, Representative Shea.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''It's my understanding that Senat6r Doughertyv'

is going to handle these in the senate?''

Don A. Moore: imagin Senator Dougherty or Senator Carroll,

someone on the Legislative Advisory of Public Aid.''

Gerald W. Shea: nIf Senate Bill 1130 does not pass..''

Don A. Moore: nThese Bills will be tabled-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Is there objection? Read4332 and 4333.'1

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 4332, a bill for an Act to amend

' The Munic ipal Code ' . Third reading o f the Bill .

----=--U. :'.,..,.'% :,

* - - h G E N E 11 A L A s s E M B L, Y' t: .. .'. ;1 V a ,'. - ' vavc oe ll-ulsloçsk

'

î , z k . . s$ . , / =. *.J ' ' H Ch U Z9 E C> 6 fê C P N Q 11 1: U1 T A Y 1 V P;S, ,

uusyp. . $ &

24.

House Bill 4333, a bill for an Act tY amend an Act relating

to Counties . Third reading of the Bill . ''

' Hon . W . Robert Blair : '' The gentlenlan f rom Cook. Mr . Moore'. ''

Don A. Moore: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I have already explain d

the purpose of these Bills. They are companion Bills to

Senate Bill 1130. Ah.. they bring 'The Illinois Pension ''

Code', 'The Illinois Municipal Code' and the ah.. 'The Coun y

Civil Seruice Adt' into conformity with Senate Bill 1130.

Ah.. these Bills will be held in the Senate depending on

the outcome of Senate Bill 1130. ' If it does not pass, thes

Bills will be tabled. And, at this time, I move for a

favorable vote on these thrne Bills, Mr. Speaker.''

Hon. W . Robert Blair: there further discussion? The ques

tion is, 'shall these three'' Bills pass?'. All those in

favor will vote 'ayet, the opposed''no'. The Clerk'will

take three Roll Calls. Have all voted who wished? The

Clerk will take the records. On these question, the vote

is l42 'Ayes' and no 'Nays', and each of these Bills hav- .

ing received the Constitutional majority is hereby declaredpassed. Alright.. 4529. I understand that the Gentleman

fl1 back to secondfrom Morgan desires leave. Take that B

for purposes of Amendment. Does the gentleman have leave?

Alright.. the Bill is back on Second Reading now and the

Clerk will read the Amendment-''

Jack O'Brien: ''Nnendment No. 1, amends House Bill 4529 Rose,#

amends House Bill 4529 Qn page l by deleting line 13 and in' serting in lieu thereof the following: authorized, upo)

------77..g,.,,.;$ % . . zet u h . R7'< c . G E N E lt A L A S S E M B L Yl i' ):- %', ' ' l .,. ':, t

s.r . v e .s. , u. u , rqo , s-h$ î t'r/g, ..r:: -t . ''

s ou s s oc r, ,: ea :: s ur slv av ' v cs..: ,, -

. Rq. *''' '''' * .

paymént- -''

Hon . W . Robert Blair : ''The gentleman f rom Morgan, Mr . Rose . ''

Thomas C. Rose: ''Mr. Speaker, what 4529 dees is authorize the

sale State land in Jacksonville to the.city of Jacksonville

for public purposes. We, inadvertently forgot to include( z'

the sale price. This Amendment does that. I move i' tss-

adoption.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there any discussion? All those

in favor of the adoption of the Amendment say 'aye', the'

opposed 'no' the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is# #

adopted. Are there further Amendment? Back to Third readi g.

4086. I understand that the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Telcs r,

desires leave to have that brought back to Second for pur-

poses of an Amendment. Is there leave? Alright.. it's

back on Second. Read the .Amendment.''

Arthur A. Telcser: ''Well, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentleme'n

of the House, when House Bill 4086 was in the order of

Second Reading, we adopted Amendment No. Subsequent to

the adoption of that Amendment, the Clerk's Office noted

that there was an error in the Amendment. And so, I would

. now mcve, Mr. Speaker, that we tïble Amendment No. 2 to

House Bill 4086.'1

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Is there leave? Then that

will be tabled. The gentleman from Cook.... Read the Amend

ment . ''

Jack O'Brien: ''Amendment No. Telcser, amends House. Bill

4086, as amended on pàge 1, line 22, by striking $1,812,300

yy....j:.,y.ys.. N1 zm .. '/ . 8 ' -n-. ey h G E N E lt A .L A S S E M 1) L Yy j. . . .. :1 ; ' i . s'ra'rc oer ILLINOIS6 ' # . .. .$ . . . / -.J: . . .:.k . 14 otz G t:z o F i:k t:' 14 f6s 1.'s N r A'T l &/ ID$1'N. ., xvtl:..... . e

26.

dollars and inserting in lieu therdof $1,590,100' dollars.''

Hon- W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Telcser.''

Arthur A. Telcser: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, Amendnient No. 3 reflects the agreed ah.. lines OE

reduction which were adopted with Amendment No. 2. Also

corrects an inadvertent error which appreared in Amendment

No.' 2. Representative Lechowicz is awdre of this. He agreo's

witb the Amesdment. And I now move, Mr. Speaker, to House

adopt Amendment Nc. 3 to kouse Bill'4086.n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman from Cook, Mr. Lechowicz.''

Thaddeus s. Lechowicz: ''Mr. Speaker, that statement is correc ,.

except that Amendment No. does nOt have the line items in

it as Amendment No. 2 did. And I thought that we were goin

to table the bottbm porticn of 2 and put this one in itsdM'

place. Because, actually, the only problem with Amendment

No. is a additional situation on the bottom of the Amend-

ment. So, if you take a look at Amendment No. 3, Arv, it

doesn't have the line items in it-''

Arthur A. Telcser: ''Mr. Speaker, 1et's... can we leave this

on the order of Second reading and 1'11 walk over and talk

with Ted. And then we'll pick it up and see were we are.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. 4425. I understand that the

gentleman from Randolph, Mr. Springqr desires leave to bring

that back to Second. Hearing no objection, it will be

brought back and the Clerk will read the Amendment.''

Jack O'Brien: ''Amendment No. 1, Springer, amends House Bill

442 5 . ''

.................................--.--.....jyrgj, .jy;.j , v ,,./ 'ê ' '? t -<'c . G E N E 11 A L A S S E M 13 t, Y)) :% ' . . i '(

,

f 'j ; t ; '.4.1 k' J l s 'r /t 'r e: o fr I u t. l rq o , st..e . el o u s c o Er rê rlen r.; s IJ hl T NT 'N/ r:sN .t .%.< >

2 7 .

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Randolph, Mr.

Springer.''

Norbert G. Springer: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, Amendment No. to House Bill 4425 deletes

Sections 16-121, 16-133, 16-140 which was opposed by the

Illinois Federation cf Teachers. The Amendment now. satis-

fies their opposition. And 6he Bill itself will now pro-

vide services credit for tnused accumulated sick leavp. I

move the adoption of Amendment No. to House Bill 4425.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there discussion? All those in favo

of the adoption of the Amendment say 'aye' the opposed 'no'#

'

#

'

the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment's adopted. Are there

further Amendmenks? Third reading. llright.. I understand

khat the Gentleman frcm Cook, Mr. J. J. Wolf desires leave

ko have House Bills 1531, 32, 33, 34, 36 and 38, and 3795

brought back to the Second Reading for the purposes of

Amendments. Is that right? Alright.. Is there any objec-tion? Okay. Aead 1531. I mean its been read, read the

Amendment. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. J. Wolf.''

Jacob J. Wolf: ''Yeah, Mr. Speaker, this is Amendment No.

to House Bill 1531 and it was worked out with the ah.. Demo

crat Staff and I would move its' adoption.n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Let's 1ek the Clerk read it.''

Jack O'Brien: ''AmendmentvNo. 5, amends House Bill 1531.',

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. That's enough; Is there fur

ther discussion? Al1 those in favo' r of the adoption of Lhe

Amendment say 'aye' khe opposed 'nb ' 'ayes' have# #'

v

'

: i & 1 * ej);:)L.. t, ''. .ï..' J. s3 .'. -'> 'C) G E N E lt A L A S S E M 1) t. Y'' i 7$

. . . .$ .. sr t : s'rl'rè oer tuz-'plols, N .1 's x :> =. ' ' 'N %.e . H okl S E q$ F F, h: 121: CS t: N T A'r I V t: S

*, % ..*

2B.

and Amendment No. 5 adopted. Are there furkher Amend-

ments? Third reading. 1532. Read the Amendment.''

. Jack O'Brien: ''Amendment No. 4 amends House Bill...''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentlemart frcm Cook, Wcl .''

Jacob J. Wolf: ''Mr. Speaker, likewise, this was worked out wi 14

the help of thq Democrat Staff. It clarifies ah.. the ah..

power of the Attorney General....''

Hon. W. Robert' Blair: ''Is there further discussion? Al1 thos

in favor of the adoption of the Amendment say 'ake', the' opposed 'no' the 'ayes' have it 'and the Amendment adopt d.l

' Are there further Amendments? Third reading. 1533..1

Jack O'Brien: ''House Bill 1533, Amendment No. 3 amends House

Bill 1533 èn page 2 by striking lines through 8 and inser -

ing in lieu thereof khe follcwing: 'sec. 28.1.''

Hon. Robert Blair: uThe gentleman frcm Cock, Mr.

Wolf.''

Jacob J. Wolf: ''First of all, Mr. Speaker, I would like tc

move to table Amendment No.z,y

Hcn. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Ah.. does the gentleman hav

leave? okay. The unanimous consent is given-''

Jacob J. Wolf: ''Now, to move the adopticn bf Amendment No. 3.',

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Is there discussion.cn .

Amendment No. to House Bill 1533? Hearing none, a1l those

in favor of the adoption of the Amendment say 'aye', the

opposed 'no. the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment is adopted .t

Are there further Amendments? Third reading. 1534.''

Jaek O ' Brien : ''Amen* en t No . 3 amends House Bi l 1 l 534 as amen ed

/, .ff,g ..W . Y G E N E R A L A S S E M 1$ L Y.. . s''l ..s -';'-. .. .$/ j t . . :; ... 6.! ç ; t ' SYA.Y L7 C) F ' t.i- 1 f% D ' Sy so j* .r'J .î *

%4' H o u s c o 6 rz tlla r./ tx ss N'F A 'r Iv us* l l , ..w..j.jhqn , w *

29

on page 1, by striking lines 18 throuqh 21.'.

Hon. W.'acbert Blair: ''Thç gentleman from Cook, Mr. J.

Wolf.''

Jacob J. Wolf: ''Just strikes unnecessary language and I move

the adoption of Amendment No.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? A11 those in favor of khe

adoption of the'Amendment say 'aye' the opposed 'no' the# '

'ayes' have it and the Amëpdment is adopted. Are there

further Amendments? Third reading. 1536...

Jack o'Brien: ''Amendment No. amends House Bill 1536 as

amended on page by deleting....''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. J.

Wolf.''

Jacob J. Wolf: ''This also was wdrked out with Staff. I move

itsï adoptipn.'' .

Hön. W. Robert Blair: nIs there further discussion? A11 tho's

in favor of the adoption of the Amendment say 'aye. the#

d ' 8. the 'ayes' have and the Amendm/nt is adopt d.oppose n ,ze

Are there further Amondments? Third reading. 1538..,

Jack O'Brien: 'tAmendment No. l amends House Bill 1538 on page

2, line 8, by striking $10.00 and inserting in lieu thereof

$5 - 00 . ''

Hon. W . Robert Blair: nThe gentleman frcm Cook, Mr. J. J.

Wolf.''

Jacob J. Wolf: ''Reduces the late penalty filing from $10.00

dollars to $5.00 dollars. I move 'its' adoption.''

ilon. Robert Blair: ''Is there discu'ssion? Let's see.. 1538

:'--y ' , ,,)2, . -,- % c fî x s R A L A s s E M u L vt z) ; . , . 'i 'sz ia ( f ) ' . z ) s x a .r 12 o s 1 k. u , e4 o j si , ) ... , b . .y, . > 'rl . .. '': . - (7 kl G t: Q F R 1: P R 1J5 I N T A.T j W ES

. .f4 . %.b.

3 0 .

is not on the Calendar a14 . . Mr . Wolf . Ah . .was tha t 1539

pe rhaps ? Oh . . The Amendment says 3 8 . ''

Jacob J. Wolf: .'T'11 have to look closer. That's the way

that the Amendment was drafted up and I just assumed that

was the right Bill. 1'11... Would you hold that one up

for a moment?''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Alright... Let's take that one out of

the record. 3795. Could that be on 3795? That Amendment?''

Jacob J. Wolf: or 1538 was tabled on May 4th, so it

eouldn't be that Bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. al4--the gentleman from Cook,

Mr. Lechowicz.''

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: ''Mr. Speaker, may I ask the Spohsor a

question on this Bill?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Which one?''

Thaddeus à. Lechowicz: ,'3795.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Yeah. Okay. The gentleman from Cook,

Mr. J. J. Wolf. The question is being raised now by the

gentleman from Cook, Mr. Lechowicz. That Bill is baek on

Third reading now. I mean back on Second reading. He tock

it back to Second for purposes of an Amendment. But, we

don't have the Amendment.''

Jacob J. Wolf: ''Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, this Amend-

ment No. 2 to House Bill 3795 it reduces the examination

fee $25.00 to $15.00 dollars. Sets up that it will go into

effect on January 1, 1973 in order for the Department to

llave time to gear :tp f or it . And specif ies that the Depart-

f .') s r'n-n''4' G E N E R A L A S S E M B L, Yf t ' '& c . . : .a.j, ... , uuksoysf ,. c. 4. r s s

î ' (;, *'j .ïï'.,. v .k * z? . :1 o ta seD D F F4 C! P R f: L; E N T A'rs 1/ ES' ,f ' .%+

31

ment shal 1 give the examination at least once a month . Was

worked out with the Department of Labor peopla and I move

its. adoption.l'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Lechowicz.''

Thaddeus S. Lechowiez: ''Mr. Speaker, in response tc that

Amendment, was wondering the Sponsor has any objectionif the Department of Personnel who is presently required

by the state to conduct these various. . . Thank you, Mr.

Speaker. I was wondering if the Sponsor would agree that

the Department of Personnel should give these exam because...

given' this exam because they do give exams on a monthly

basis on many subjects and many qualifications for State

Employment. And I was wondering why the Department of Labo

was brought into this picture .n

Jacob J. Wolf: ''Ah... I can't answer that question for yop

off-hand ah.. Ted.''#

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: ''Would ycu agree to it?''

Jacob J. Wolf: ''On first we have no objection. You want meto hold it upr'

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: nIf you would please.''

Jacob J. Wolf: .'1111 hold it on Third reading then. ''

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: ''Thank you.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: 'Turther discussion? A11 those in favor

of the adoption of the Amendment sgy 'aye' opposed 'no'# :

the 'ayes' have it and the Amendment adopked. Are there

further Amendlnents ? Third reading .'

Ah . . the . - . . In order

to get the record straight on that last Amelldment , it was

x. !'J * rt ,,, :1 '? ( 7-. 'r G E N E R A L A S S E M 8 L Y. j :g . . . i ! .l . p ,4 ' t svavc oe Iuuledo's6 .. . . . .$.* i-z:' .'' ' . b et o u s c o fr ;? E.; e 1ë cs c N 'r A 'r 1 v t: s'' 4. . c:';J*

32 .

Amendment No .% 2 . ''

Fredric B . Se lcke : ''Amendment No . 2 , Wol f . amend Ilouse Bi 11 . . - ''

Hon . W . Robert Blai r : ''Alright The gent leman has ex -.

plained it aud ah.. we've had discussions. Is there any'

further digcussion: Al1 those in favor of the adoption of

the Amendment say 'aye' opposed fno' the 'ayes' have itê #

and the Amendment is adopted. Are there further Amendments.

Third reading .

Fredric B. Selcke: nHouse Bi1l.. . Where are wea''

Hon. Robert Blair: *Alrig12t.. take it off the record. 2218.

The gentleman asks leave to take that back to second for

purposes cf Amendment.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill.22l8.. . .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alriqht.. Hearing none, the' Clerk will

read the Amendmentv''

Eredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment No. Palmer, amend House Bill

2218 cn page 1, by deleting lines 9 and and inserting in

.lieu thereof the following: 'the Governor, any vested re-

,. -J' ' .mainder xnterest in fee simple in real property subnect to

a life estate and to spend for that'o''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Ccok, Palmer.''

R6mie J. Palmer: ''.Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, there's been some question in the Department of

Conservation the Attorney General's Office as to theright of the Department of Conservation to acquire an inter-est in real estate encumbered with li'fe estate

. Thisclarifies the law in that respcct

. move you for its

adoption.'' 'N sï' X J i.; e.. a)2, - - u G E x jy jt A j- A s s E M lJ 1. Y.*r D ; -'',S. i

1 ; k ) . )1 7 i v a .r s o s j u u I p1 o 1 sê î : J . ' S' , N n.. .'. ' lJ< ' , ' i.l o u s u o Ir a ce E, t.: sc ,$1 'r /$ 'r 1 v I:s1I, vb%*

33.

Hon. W. Robert Blkir: ''Further discussion? A1l those... The

gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea.''

' Gerald W. Shea: ''Now, as I understand, the original Bill #err

mitted the Department to acquire with the Governor in writi) g

any vested interest real property, regardless of the

form of interest. Now, your talking about buying any veste

remainder. Is that correct? Can you tell me why you want

to make the chahgesa''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Wel1, the question... the question as to

the vested interest eould mean a *lot of things. What we're

trying to do here is narrow it down to a life estate. Ther

has been some question as to whether or not is the Depart-

ment has had the right to acquire life estates. The.Attorn Y

General's informal opinion to the Department has contained

a memorandum here that they did not.''

Gerald W. Shea: '.1..1 can't hear ycu, Romie.''

Romie J. Palmer: HThe Attorney General has indicated to the

Department of Conservation that there may be some question

as to the right of the Department of Conservation to acquir

a life estate interest. Now, there was some question under

the present law. The Bill as originally written includes

the words 'regardless of the fornp of that interest'. This

Bill here narrows it down to a ah-.to ah.. a situaticn of

the vested remaining interest or remainder interest to

property subject to a life estate. It narrows it down tothat. As a matter of fact, as I understànd, Mr. Maragos,

has written it up this way. This is the waty we'd like to

----QQo,welh - x ''e G p: x E 1) A j. A s s tï M 1) L YJ ; : - zt v :t $ : ,. ) sv x-rc o,r $ uu,eq oIst ' .

' * H o t; s 15 o rr IR E e R IJ s E N T A T 1 Y/ il S''i. . %n*. 1f >

34

have it.''

Gerald W. shea: ''We1l, would you consider the dower interest

oè a woman a vested remainderan

Romie J. Palmer: ''Absolutely not. It can only take effect.

if at upon the death of the Spouse. That's an inchoat-

right . ''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Inchoate Right?''

Romie Palmer: nYeah.. an inchoate right. There might be

some other question as to the way the Bill was written as

Vo whether or not it would confuse the question as to ah..

perpetual easements or rights in property which we can't

toueh, obviously'. It was intended to only narrow down

life estates to clarify the question as to that... the acqu'si-

tion of that Bill-''

Gerald W. shea: ''But that's not what the Amendment saysk''ê

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Representative Hyde, for what purpose

do your rise, sirz''

Henry J. Hyde: ''We1l, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of th.ee

House, I do not like to intervene in this disucssion, but

I have news item that just came to me from Izm. Schickll.

that I think would be of interest to everyone here. Govern r

George Wallace has just been shot at a Shopping Center in

Maryland and has been rushed to a Hospital. No one knows

his condition. We have no condition reports, but the polit'cs

of assas:ination apparently continues. Ah.. if a condition

report is received, I will relay it tco you . I.Ie is in Laurel

Park Maryland Ilospital right now . ''

as .'( .t7 .v.x . '.s - N 'ry. G E N E It A L A S S E :1 B L Yi k ' . , . ,1 t l , ),. : . svav.it o Ie I uuI ., o.si. ' . . %

'

.# * ' : ''x ..4 . el o u s E: o Er f : E F' re c D c 11 'r n. T I v t: s. ., j: . $ , . ..'

35

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Representative S1Rea.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''well, I won't oppose you amending the Bi11.

But, I will just say that this, think, has some far reach

ing impacts on the type of interest the Department of Con-

servation may acquire. And I think thatbin this last Ses-

sion of this General Assembly, we awarded to that Departmen

some awful far reaching powers. It looks like this just

extending' it. And I will tell you now that on Third Readin ,

I want to take a hard look at this Bill.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''I suggest, Representative Shea, that you do

just that. First of all. we're talkinc about vested intere-t.

secondly, we're talking about a remaining interest or a

remainder interest. And that's itsn

Gerald W. Shea: ''Mr. Speaker, I mcve the adoption of this

Amendment No.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is the're further discussion? The g'entze-

man has offered to move the adoption of Amendment Nc. 1,' to House Bill 2218. All in favor signify by saying 'ayét,

..A '

the opposed 'no' the Amendment is adopted. Are there fur-#

'

ther Amendments? Third reading. House Bill Third Reading.

House Bill 2215.''

Fredric B. Selcke/ ''House Bill 2215, Does that have an

Amendment? Give me the Bill. A 'bill for an Act to amend

an Act relating to Local Goveranental Law Enforcement Officers

Training Board. Third reading of the Bill.''

A thur Telcser: ''The gentleman fr' om Cook Representa-Rep. r p

tive Regner . ''

''- - - -vkm>S 4 -.- ,e. G jï N jy R A j. A s s E 51 B L Y1 . .i:? t; '' s.J ', ) , f t sxa-rs oc I uul 'q ots

i l '. . s . .' r. , . : r . * .u H OW S C C> P' 'R CPR C5 FZ Pl Y' A f ' W CS' : t j ; - , ruty.... xq s*

36 '

David J. Regner: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

yzaeHouse, until amended last week, this was a mandatory Po

T/aining Bill. After amended, it provided that'ah..The

Police Training Act will apply to ah..Govermnental Units

under Home Rule on a voluntary basis rather than a mandator

basis. But, does establish the ah.. Police Training

under the ah- 'lllinois Police Training Act'. I ask for a

favorable vote-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: nIs there any discussion? The ques-

Eion is, 'shall House Bill 2215 pass?'. All those in favor

will signify by voting 'aye', the opposed by voting

Have all voted Who wished? Take the record. On this ques-

tion, there are 99 'Ayes', and no 'Nays', and this Bill hav

ing received the Constitutional majority is hereby'declared

passed. House Bill 4397.', '

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4397, bill for an Act to

amend distribution of township funds and guidance centeré

act. Third reading of the,Bi1l.''.-ee

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Katz.''

Harold A . Katz : ''House Bill ah . . 439 7 amends the Act so as to

make clear the right of The Board of Auditors of a Torzaship

to appropriate ah.. money from Township ah.. Funds for the

purpose of a guidance center. It has to do with the use of

these Funds and amounts not exceeding $10,000 dollars for

taking care of the special kinds of problems relating to old

people. Ah.. the Bill was unanimously reported out of the

:&t ) ' t1.ex* t? - - Ae . G j.j x E 11 A L; A s g E M B L Y. . ê;.?2. p 1 .( ' s'r A.T t5 o F' I L L1 h1 o I t7î : 'h .$. . i:t J .7t- . . s ob s s: o v jz c:e yz c s Iz o1 v l'r 1 v e: sY ' .;.q.

37.

ah.. the Tovznship Ccmmittee with an Amendment and which mak s

elear that The Board of Auditors rather than the Town Meetitg

will be the one that will make the decision as to the use

of money for' this purpose. I would ah.. move, Mr. Speaker,

for the passage of this Bil1.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? The ques-

tion is, 'shall House Bill 4397 pass?''. A1l those in favcr

signify by voting 'aye', the oppoped by voting 'no' Have

al1 voted who wished? Take the record. On this question,

there are 127 'Ayes'. and no 'Nays', and this Bill having

received the Ccnstitutional majority is hereby declared .

passed. House Bill 2734.'.

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bilf 2734, a bill for an Act to

amend 'The Vehicle Ccde'. Third reading of the Bill.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Lake, Representa-

tive Conolly. Is Representative Conolly on the floor? Doj '

you.want House Bill 2734 called? Take out of the record.

House Bill 4603. Take that out of the record, because

Representative Hart is not on the floor. House Bill 4429.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4429, An Act to amend Section

4 of the 'Timber Buyers Licensing Act'. Third reading of

the Bill.*

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentlèman from Lawrence Representa-

tive Cunningham.''

Roscoe D. Cunningham: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House,

4.429 amends the 'Timber Buyers Licensing Aet' to make the

bond responsive when timber is cut inadveruently on adjacen

&k)-lL'-V i ' t @xf : <' .? --- k G E N E It A L A S S E M B L YJ2

.t, ;: , ?. z 1 sv n vs o s I uu 1 s o , s' î L 'x . ty: . g; .' .-! . .' H O tl S C O Ff R E': P 12 EC Q; E N T H 7 I V E SN . q. . gjyv'.:.<

3 8 .

lands. It passed the Committee unanimcusly. Request your

affirmative vote.''

. Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there apy discussion? The ques-

tion is, 'shall Ilouse Bill 4429 pass?'. All those in favor

signify by voting 'aye', the opposed by voting 'no'. Have

a1l voted who wished? Take the rqcord. On this question,

. there are 128 'Ayes', and no 'Nays', and this Bill having

received the Constitutional majority is hereby declared

passed. House Bill 4430.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4431, a bill for an Act to

create the forest reduction and transportation Act... fores

product and transportation Act. %Yird reading of the Bill.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telaser: ''The gentleman from Lawrence, Repre-

sentative R. D. Cunningham.''

Roscoe D. Cunningham: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House,

4430 ig a companion Bill designed to protect timber akainst

rustling. Provides penalties for illegal transportation or

theft of timber. It, tco, passed by the Committee unani-

mously-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? The ques-

tion 'shall House Bill 4430 pass?'. those in favor

signify by voting 'aye', the opposed by voting 'no'. Have

all voted who wished? Take the record. On this question,

there are 128 'Ayes', and 1 'Nay' and this Bill having#

received the Constitutional majority is hereby declared

passed. House Bill 4574..''

Fredric B . Selcke : ''House Bill 4574 . bill f cr an Act to

amend the ' Rural Rehabilitation Corr ration Assests Adminis-ozutpv....' .. . s pr M 1) (. v.' , ) :k G E N E R A L A S

i è - '', l ' . ' , l s'ra'rs oe' lut-lrqolsl $ t .. .z 1.h . ' / '. . *e;. . H o kl S E o r' rê E P !' E S E N 'r A T l W C S' ., ' )- .-' s

39.

tration Act'. Third reading of the Bi1l.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Randolph' Repre-

e'ntative springer.'' .s

Norbert Springer : ''Mr . Speaker and raadies and Gentlemen of

the House, House Bill 4574. The objective of the Bill

to clarify the language in two Sections of the Act ;nd adds

a new Section, a11 of which are necessary to meet the re-

quirement of the Parpers Home Administration of the United

States Department of Agriculture. Fii; has interpreted afte

m'any months that the prcvision in the last paragraph of

section 3, which is being deleted by this Bill, prohibited

the State of Ilïinois from writing an agreement with the

Department of Agriculture that would authorize the use

of Rehabilitation Trust Funds for purposes other than for

straight farm loans, for capital and operating costs. For

familiarization, again, the purposes for which these monies

would be used for loans for soil and water conservation,

waste management, loans to. low inccme farmers, 6n the job

traininq and educational training programs, assisting in

financing students in College and vocational schools and

assistance for the agricultural çeseareh and in related

form activities. Passed the Agricultural Committee unan-

imously. appreciate a favorable vote.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: '!Is there any discussion? The ques-

( tion is, 'shall House Bill 4574 pass?'. those in favorI ' .

signify by voting 'aye', and the o'pposed by voting 'no'.

Have a1l voted who wished? Take the record. On this qucs-

sg-g.. .,,a N 'j . ....x. 'L G Iï x E R A L. A s S; E M 8 L 5/)' k-) '. ,.). ) ; . . IruolsI I œ s T A F E o rr $ k. t.h lbz u . .h. . t.-? '; . aouss o,- aseacscslvwv'v.ssN vr ' xef . . %e

4O.

tion, there are 136 'Ayes', and no 'Nays', and this Bill ha -

ing received the constitutional majority is hereby declared

passed. House Bill 3797.'.

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 3797, an Act to amend the

'Illinois Blocd Bank Act'. Third reading of the Bi11.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Terzich.''

Robert M. Terzich: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, the House Bill 3797 simply provides that the ah..

necessary Blood Banks used for emergency care are to be mad

ava.ilable at all ah.. Trauma Hospital Units designated by '. . )

the State. This will bring substantial relief to the many

thousands of Illinois Citizens who are suffering from hemo-

philia, leukemia,' sickle cell anemia and many reluted blood

disorders. I urgp your support.n

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: HIs there any discussion? The ques-

ticn is, 'shall House Bill 3797 'pass?'. All those in favor

signify by voting 'aye' the opposed by voting 'no'. Have#xe '

al1 voted who wished? Take the record. On this question,

there are l35 'Ayes', and nc 'Nays', and this Bill having

received the Constitutional majority is hereby declared

pas sed . House Bill .3 7 98 . .'

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Hoùse Bill 379é, 9 bill for an Act to

amend 'The Insurance Code'. Third reading of the Bi1l.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook Representa-. '

tive Terzich . ''

Robert M . Terzich : '' Thank you , Mr . Speaker . Ladies and Gentl -

'- - '- - W .,,1 ) * - - 'ee G 1'.:. N E j t A L A s s E M l 1 L Y: j' 4. ' '' . .) : 'Ls ! sv ,q v s o s , u u I ,q o . s15 .;!. ... 't . 4 '. . . r ê' ' . ' .N * d , H C1 U S C (1 FP R E P R C 5 17 bl 3 A T 1 V ii Sfz N,x*

4. 1 .

men of the House, thank you for your support on the last

Bill. have another Bill here. 3798 ah.. many

h lo have certain exclu- ''group insurance policies today a . . c

sions in their policies with regard to the Hospital coverag

of Blood and Blood Clot.. and bi-products. House Bill 3*98

simply states that ah.. Blood Products such as the l'roeessi g

and the administration charges of Blood Products and its

components will be considàred as a necessary service and

would comply under a Hospital Polic#. And I urge your sup-

port of this Bill.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: there any discussion? The ques-

tion is, 'shall House Bill 3798 pass?'. All those in favor

signify by voting 'aye', and the opposed by voting 'no'.

Have a11 voted who wished?. Take the record. On this ques-

tion, there are 13l 'Ayës', and no tNays': and this Bill

having received the Constituticnal majority if hereby de.-

clared passed. House Bill 4446.'1

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4446, amends 'The Civil Admini

strative codei. Third reading of the Bi11.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Lee, Representati e

shapiro.''

David c. shapiro: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, House Bill 4446 allows the Director of the Departmen

of Public Health to procure for certain designated employees

insurançe for liability arising from their employment to th

extent of Policy Limits not exceedlng $100,000 dollars. AnIII I would appreciate f avorable vote''. ''!I

N .:3q12:-177 ,,>, ,.j) . ,? c c .; -'' L ' .è ) j 12 . i s 'r A. 'r E o e' $ I u 1 f4 o t s. !' . '.. . . -' ? .77 . v I w c s' * .ig H ota s u; (7 lT R P:P ik E SE bl TA1, , X..+

42.

Rep. Arthur Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive S1Rea.''

Gerald W . Shea: ''Could you tell me that at the present time

aren't we self-insured for this purpose?''

David C. Shapiro: ''You mean the employees of the...''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Isn't the State self-insured?''

David 'C. Shapiro: ''Oh.. I would understahd It's my unde -

standing that ah.. recent cases that employees of the State

have been subject to suits by citizens-nGerald hT. Shea: ''Well, you know... As 1..1 understand it, we

have a Commission studying this under Representative Regner '

as Chainnan. Is this one of the Bills that came our of that

Commissiona''

David C. Shapiro: '''Ah.. I don't believe so, Representative

She a . ''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Wel1 have-.. has the Department or anybody# .

gone to ah.. to the Commission and suggested the need for

this?''

David C. Shapiro: ''AN.. Not to my knowledge.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Because, this says 'that the Director can go

out and buy this insurance'. There is no need for competiti e

bidding. He can go to his favorite broker and go out and

buy this. I think that it leaves' a lot to be desired in

its 'present form.''

David c. shapiro: ''AX.. I was handed the Bill. And it came

out of Connittee by an unanimous vote. I understand that

the Department of Law Enforcement has the same type of ah..

,.. 8 .wIS a

''s.> h ' + ''- 'j G E N E R A L A S S E 51 1$ L Y: ;7 L( - . :î

f u ).- ; ) sva-rs o,r , uup-ols$

'

'f . - z .h . ' : ' re r4 cg a e: sc pl 7' n 'r 1 v Iu sx ' .t.' . ed O tl S tD O.. . / ,-$-..+

43

insurance and that the Department of Conservation and the

ah.. Division of Highways have also had t17e authority to

procure this type of insurance.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Yeah... But, that's why we put a Commissian

together to try to find out what we're doing in this field..

Now, if we let each Department come in with a separate Bill

and we 1et a Department Head go out and buy from his favor-

ite broker friend with no requirement of bids, nc require-

ment that he takes the lowest ah.. the lowest form, think

that we're going to havè our Department Heads out in the

buying of insurance. I wish that before you call this, tha

you would discuss it with Representative Regner, because 11

sure that their working in this area now.''

David c. shapiro: ''well, 1'11. tell you what we'll do, we'll

take the Bill out of the record. And 1'11 have someone

with the Health Department talk to you and Representative

Regner and we'll come to a decision then-''

Gerald W. Shea: nThank you.''v-e .

Rep.yArthur A. Telcser: ''Take it out of the record. You want

this whole series out of the record. Is that right, Repre-

sentative shapiro?''

David C. Shapiro: ''Yeah.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''You don't want the others called.

House Bill 4454. Is Representative Miller in his seat ah...

Yeah. Okay. Bernie will take it-''

Fredric B. Sclcke: ''House Bill 4454, bill for an Act to

.amend the 'Illinois Insurance Code'. Third reading of the

B J. 1 1 . ' 'N N 'W * l . fv N : ''' z.1 ) ' ' --n A G E N E R A L A S S E M 11 L Y

,. y jg . . , . ) ., :j . ') . 7 s'rxvtc oer 1 uul-ols$: f' rv .a t.- J?/.=' ' lxouss o'r acelvcsc-vavlwcs* 4 .. .;9 . t e x

44.

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Epton-''

Bernard E. Epton: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, this Bill simply amends the 'Illinois Insurance Code'

to correct reference to the word 'vested' and substitutes

the word 'invested'. It is merely a grammatical correction.

I move the adoption of this Bill.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: nIs'there any discussion? The ques-

tion is, 'shall House Bill 4454 pass?'. All those in favor

signify by voting 'ayeu the opposed by voting 'no'. Have

all voted who wished? Take the record. On this question,

there are ll6 'Ayes' and no 'Nays' and this Bill havingê F

received the Constitutional majority is hereby declared

passed. House Bill 4456.'1

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House 'Bill 4456, a bill for an Act to

' d 'The Insurance Code' Third reading of the Bil1.'''amen .

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Epton.''.A

Bernard E. Epton: ''Gairw the Department of Insurance is tryin

correct some points of the Code. eliminate some of the

1 i tatutory coverage as regard to surplus requir -over app ng s

ments of certain types of stock companies. It makes sub-

stantially similar financial arrangements of stock used as

reciprocal for insurance companies. Inotherwwords, it makes

them all equal. It does not, any way: lessen their

responsibility financially or otherwise. I move the adoptio

of House Bill 4456.''

. . v osj5 -- - G E N E R A L A S S E M 8 L YJ t - . . . 1k : / ' yt ' i? ' s'r A. 'r e o fr 1 t-t- l N o $ s$ , - . . , ,. . .;, . . j. . . .%. .z . H o t, sc o Er i-z c:p ,4 lz sc N 'r A'r l v es$2= ' %*%*

45.

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? The ques-

tion is, 'shall House Bill 4456 pass?'. Al1 those in favor' ' ' d the opposed by voting 'no'signify by voting aye , an .

Have a1l voted who wished? Take the record. On this ques-

tion there are Representative Shea, for what purpose#

do you rise, sir?''

Gerald W. Shea: ''I'm sorry, I jus t want to ask the Sponsorone question on the Bill,.if he wants to answer it.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''I'm sure he would.''

Gerild W. Shea: ''Bernie, are you reducing the surplus require

ments for fire, marine insurance and those things?''

Bernard E. Epton: '''No. The ah.. the surplus requirements

vary from the one category to the cther. There were some

overlapping. It simply retains what we presently have. Bu ,

it makes sure that they'.re a1l identical. For example, 'in ah..

very simply the requirements for the a11 classes remain

as here to form-''

Gerald W. Shea: ''sfhy is it in these Class 11 claus'es E, F, aner

K where welre saying that in just fire and marine, we're

reducing the surplus from a million and a half dollars down

to $900,000 dollars?''

Bernard E. Epton: .'Well this was previously authorized a#

nine hundred dollar surplus in another Section, and the fac

is it wasn't rectified .in this particular Section of the Co e.''

Gerald W . shea : ''Thank you . ''

Bernard E. Epton: ''Your welcome.''

Rep . Arthur A . Teleser : ''ilave a11 vcted who wished? Take tlle

- y$': QD .skç ) : rZJ ':. - - '- (; E N E l l A L A s S E 5 1 l 9 I - Y. j: ta - . ,i; 9

svw v.s o s . uuî ,% o . sjw f ?. . v . .. ? ''? . '.;,' ' H o Ll S u2 (7 l!r IR EP (< ES E h1 T #h T I V P:G. .j ' v.ql . . ; . t*

'

4.6.

record. On this question. there ake 129 'Ayes', and no

'Nays', and this Bill having received the 'Constibutional

majority is hereby deelared passed.' House Bill 4138.11

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Hcuse Bill 4138, bill for an Act to

amend 'The School Code'. Third reading of the Bill.''

A thur A Telcser: ''The gentleman from Dupage Represent -Rep . r . ;

tive Schneider.''

J. Glenn Schneider: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 4138

is a maternity leave Bill which designatms that teachers in

contractual service be given a year plus the time that they

have the balance of that year to establish whether or not -

they would return to the School System of which they were a

art without loss of any ben'ef its at the time that theyP

leave the School'District. It conforms to much legislation

that deals with maternity throughout the Country. solici

your suppott on the Bill.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Adams, Representa

tive Mcclain.''

Elmo Mcclain: ''Will the Sponsor yield to a question?''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''He indicates he will.''

Elmo Mcclain: ''Ah.. Glen, are saying tiat for example, th t

a teacher teaching third grade kids or fourth grade kids

and the teacher would decide to kee': on teaching while she's

eight months pregnant. She can take leave then and come

back? But she can teach while she's eight months pregnant?''

Jrs Schneider : ''The decision whether she teaches or not, Elmo ,

is between the Physician and the Instructor . Not anything

vym .. ,1xî ' '.a ? --'%; G E N E R A L A S S E M 11 L Y.tk- .:t j. y, ' ) ' . s T A. T tl o F i u u 1 N o 1 5tk .C l 4. .-f ' ,x ' % ' . H o tl S E C) IT 1: (: P fR E G E N T A T' l V L S. ' o''t . '': .;k . Nlq l

' 4 7

that's predetennined. Many of the court cases have rulèd '

that you can't establish ah.. an exact time or ah.. time

in which a teacher should leave, let's say the fcurth mcnth

of pregnancy, tMe fifth month or the sixth, but rather, the

decision has to be made on the basis of the ah.. teacher

and the Physician-''

Elmo Mcclain: ''Alright.. One other questione please. What if

the teacher who is taking a leave o/ absence is not

married? Will she be allowed the leave of absence?''

. J. Glenn Schneider: ''Take a leave of absence?''

Elmo Mcclain: ''We11, will she be allcwed maternity leave it

shels not married and than come'back and teacha''

Glenn Schneider: ''That decision again is covered in this

Bill but the rarity of that oqcasion, Elmo, is ah.. pretty

rare, indeed, I would sqy. So, I don't think there 'are go-

ing to be many teacher, who are ulum'arried, who arb goin'g to

remain as teachers in the public eye.''

Elmo Mcclain: ''Mr. Speaker.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Proceed, Sir.''

Elmo Mcclain: ''Wel1 than, I'm going to have to op/ose the Bil .Ah.. feel like it's wrong. What we're trying to do is

if we're trying to hire teacher to set an example, and as

yet my morals haven't come around to the fact, that whereby,

I think that a teacher who would have an illêgitimate child,

not consummated by marriage, could take a leave of absence

due to a maternity case and come back. Ah.. can't suppor

this type of Bill-''

0* ' 4 - -.'- G E x jï lt A L A s s E M 11 1. Y: ) 'L. ) IJ . . .) , j jt f. 'b ; t ' s'r 8'r1: oer ' t-L.' >' o'sh . -6 .

1, ..dun

48.

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentlomnn from Macon, Representa

tive Borchers.'''

Webber Borchers: ''Ah.. Representative Mcclain, asked the

question that I was going to ask. I just merely want to

second his thoughts. And to say, that I too feel, this is

very open ended as perfeetly possible for a teacher unmarri.d

to'be pregnant in ciass and stay fcr eight months. Again:

setting a very peculiar example to her classes no matter

what the age, from Kindergarten to High School. But, I

think that this Bill should be defeated.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa- .

tive Juckett.''

Robert s. Juckett; ''Mr. speak/r, will tbe Sponsor yield to a

questiona''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''He indicates he wil1.''

Robert S. Juckett: ''It is my understanding that this teacher

on a maternity leave will be allowed up to a year tq make. . ) r.' . . .

a decision as to whether to ccme back. Would this apply

to male teachers, as well as the female teachers-''

Glenn Schneider: ''If their pregnant, Bob.''

Robert S. Juckett: ''Would ah.. How would this statute go in

comparison with House Joint Resolution *13? Would we be

doing a useless Act by passing thisa''

Glenn Schneider: ''I don't know how ah.. the H.J.R.C. *13

is going to go and really that's not the Bill that we're

discussing, Bob. I'm convinced that this iJl still legisla-

tion that we'll need in the light of ah- merging equal

--- --> n..FQ . ' <'

... . '- 'j G E N E R :% L A S S E 51 11 L YJ k$ -. .. . , .ë : j . t ,: sa axic o Ir I uuî-oIsî

z . '$ . -;:-> .-r . jxousi: os aueuesseqvavlvcsI f . . ,. . , w%

. . . * . . . .. .. : .'

4 9

rights for women. But I'm not going to say ah.. whether or .

not that it's going to be affected by thab possible Consti

tûtional Amendment.'.

Robert S. Juckett: ''On a small District, let's suppose that

you have one teacher for a particular grade level and you

hire a new teacher when this teacher goes out on a maternity

leave. What happens to that School District when the one

h r is hired for the new year and the' other teacher de-teac e

cides to come back?''

J. Glenn Schneider: ''Well, as with ïno/t cases, is there is a

replacement such as... there is provision for othër illness

es and so forth, the temporary teacher is a temporary teach r.

We're returning to the Staff the teacher who decides to com

back. And I might say that there are a number of illustra-

tions ah.. even within my own School Building where perso

may become ill for six months. We hire a temporary replace

ment and he is hired with the understanding that he is a

temporary replacement. And when the tenure teacher returns,

than let's say the teaeher is entitled to return at the

b its thai he had atposition on the pay scale with the enef

the time of his departure. He gains no further experience.

He does not gain on the salary schedule because of his

absence, but he does retain basicially where he was at the

time he leaves. So, a; to a temporary teacher or a sub-

stitute, that's exactly how he stays as a substitute.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there further discussion? The

gentleman f rom Dupage Representati.ve sclm eider . is recogniz d'f

j.- - W .. )'t' ' '.t .4K% ) ..Q 'c G E N E j t A t. A F; S E M l 1 L Y

.f' v . . . 5! c . '' J svxa.!: os Iuusso'sj $u 3% . ?ts '.. ,:z .k'b ' '.'?L .''k u/ H C) U S C G 6 F? 'ZP'? CS E: X N' A Y ' V fi S. f ' ' vd' 'ê 4 . . :) . t ëK

5O.

to close the debate . ''

J. Glenn .schneider : ''Mr . Speaker, basically tlze Bill tries to

establish ah.. concept that a person who ah.-requests ma-

ternity leave be allowed to return to the salary schedule

and the level of benefits that she was receiving at the time

of her departure. It introduces no really serious new con-

cept, I don't think, except that it does ah.. try to draw

a distinction let's say between an individual who is i1l for

a long period of time, who is taking a leave of absence, and

then he is returned on the basis of his previous condition

let's say as a tenure teacher on a certain step in the salar

scale without losing those benefits. I think that we ah..

have worked to the detriment of the woman who has requested

maternity leave. So, I sclicit your support on the'Bill.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The question is, 'shall House Bi'll

4138 pass?'. A1l those in favor signify by voting 'aye'..

and the opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who wished?

Take the record. On this question, there are 49 VAyes', andA

18 'Nays' and for what purpose does the gentl&man from Du-#

Page, Representative Schneider, risea''

J. Glenn Schneider: ''Mr. Speaker, I .would like to have ah..

poll the absentees, please.''

Voices: ''No.....''

J. Glenn Schneider: ''In the interest of time, my advisor has

suggested we ask for consideration to postpone.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''On the advic'e of counsel? can the

gentleman have . . . . . Well , pass out ybur cards , Hirschie . Hea r-'

/ - -'-' G p: N E It A L. A s s E :1 B t. v? s cu,... .. .)ê 1 % lkw . .

' z . sv s x.è o e- 1 u !- j eq o 1 sî ., .î. . t.'. , '.. . sousc o s ta cel: usu slva.r tvcs'

., ' çe.. ...rrt

5l.

ing no objeetion, House Bill 4138 w'ill be put on the order

of postponed consideration. House Bill 4447.'1

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4447, a bill for an Act to

amend the 'Public Junior College Act'. Third reading of

the Bill.>

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Lee: Representati e

Shdpiro.''

David C. shapiro: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, House Bill 4447 amend the 'Junior College Act' and

extends the date for charge back tax levies to non-junior

college territory from 1972 to 1974. And provides priority '

for contractual agreements over charge backs between Junior

College Districts that enter into contracts. And I would

ask for a favorasle votey''

Rep- Arthur Telcser: ''is there any discussion? The ques-

tion is, 'shall House Bill 44.47 passa'. All those in favor

signify by voting 'aye', and thd opposed 'no'. Have. all

voted who Fished? Take the record. On this question, therv--

are l21 'Ayes', and l 'Nays', and this Bill having received

the Constitutional majority is hereby declared passçd. HouseBill 4448.''

David C. Shapiro: ''Mr.'sppaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House.....''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4448, an Act to amend the

'Public Junior College Act'. Third reading of the Bill- ''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Lee Representativ#

Shapiro . ''

$% . ' 'zzz -. ze

'é ? - 6 G E N E 11 A L A S S E 5'1 B 1- Y' 2y k; . . . . . 't k. , ç ) .L ; sv n. 'r u: o rz I t. u 4 p4 o , s. M f:à t; S E C) F R C P R E7 S E bl T A T 1' *,, z.%+

52.

David C. shapiro: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, House Bi1.l 4448 replaces the provision in the Law'neerning state Apportiomnent which specifies ihat a dollaco

amount per semester hour are equivalent with a system of .

flat grants whereby the dollar amount will be specified '

in the Appropriation Bill. It also specifies that flat

grants- . flat rate grants shall be provided in courses tha

r' e nom ally part of the faculty orientated programs . occu-a

pational programs p general studies and instructional pro-.

j. aoyyagegrams which are approved by the Illinois Jun or

Board that applies to an Associate Degree or Certificate .

And I would also' ask for a favorable vote on this Bill . ''

Rep . Arthur Telcser : '' Is there any discussion? The gentle

man from Cook, Representative S14ea.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Right now, the law is set up at the dollar

amount per hour on flat grants. Is it not? Now, you wan:

to put it so that we've got to put it in the Appropriation

Bill. And every time that we do it is subj/ct to an. .M

Amendatory Veto by the Governora''

David C. Shapiro: ''That could be the ah.. that could be what

would happen but 1......

Gerald W. Shea: ''Like he did last time?''

David C. Shapiro: ''NO.. as I recall, the Junior College Board

asks for this Bill the last time and the Governor vetoed

it. That it should be specified in the Appropriation.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there fubther discussion? The

gentleman f rom Cook, Representative'. Jkckett . ''

be ' . a-kttzket'l . .' Mr . Speakp-x., wik1.' l--tll-e-nfiptltlsozY ela f-'nr.t ; 'it;s 7'l ' :,.

x * ' u .- .. $ c jj N E jt A j. A s s E M IJ 1.. Yf '? î rrj' i' t ' ' :. , 1 svavs og lt-ulslolsi , ç. .2. w . . .1. ;. . . .* 'J . H o Ll !; E o C F? 1J P 1 ë E S E e4 T A T 1 V i: 15

. ' .''z $.-:.;'f' . qe%

53.

a question?''

David c. shapiro: ''Yes.'.

Robert s. Juekett: ''If the fifteen fifty is removed from the

statute, there any limitation at al1 on the amount of

money which could be paid for a seaester hourr'

David C. Shapiro: ''It has to be specified in the Appropriatio

Bill as to what the flat grant per semester hour shall be.''

Robert S. Juckett: ''Well, would it mean that one particular

subject might have a twenty dollar per hour limitation and

another subject might have a fifteen dollar and another

one. might have a ten dollar?'' j.David c. shapiro: ''only, if it's specified in the Appropriati n

Bill. And if that particulak course is approved by the

Junior College Board. Inotherwords, we now, in this year'é

Appropriation Bill, there will be a ah.. differentiation

between the General Education Courses and Vocation Educatio -

al Courses. They will be funded at a different flat rate' rant ''g .

Robert Juckett: ''Who are we giving then the authority to

set the various rates?''

David C. Shapiro: ''The General Assembfy.''

Robert S. Juckett: ''On each... Upon whose recommendationa''

David C. Shapiro: would imagine 'the Junior College Board

or we could amend it.''

Robert S. Juckett: ''Wel1w Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentle-

of the House, I t.hini that welre really opening tne flo d

gates on this one. We have a standard fifteen dollar and

(....spx* 3 -- % G E N E lt A L A S S E M B L Y. jj . . , hl ?. ' ,'$' t 1 s . r n. v t.: o s I u u 1 sl o i sj h . h, ...J p. ( , .. ! . * r e r j ju s c :4 .r x .r $ u c sH otl 5 t: CJ ' R E.,

' z' .. v.: . &*

54.

fifty cent l'imitation. But it appears that this type of

legislation, we could have it a11 over the lot, depending

. on the type of subject, whose presenting it, etcw and l

think that this is a very dangerous precedent that we would

be setting. And I think in this time of need of mcnies, I

jus: don't think that this the time to do it. And I

would urge a 'no' vote.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman frcm Cook, Representa-

tive Palmer.''

'' h s onsor wfll yield for a question.''Romie J. Palmer: If t e p

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser:. ''He indicates he will-''

Romie J. Palmer: ''What about the tuition rates charged to

the students, is this is a fluctuating amount to be determi ed

each year by the General Asse3nbly?''

David C. Shapirc: ''Tuition?''

Romie J. Palmer:. ''The amount that the student has to come up

with.''

David C. Shapiro: ''Tuiticn is determined by the Local Governi g

Board. Has nothing to do with this... this a appropriation

or this Bill at all.n

Romie J. Palmer: ''Tuition is determined sohewhat on the amoun

of money that the Junior College would oskain from the ah..

General Assembly. Would it not?''

David C. Shapiro: ''No. Tuition is determined locally.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: there further discussion? Does

the gentleman wish to close?''

Da/id C. shapiro: ''Yes.''

--- --- U. '.,.,,:..a 's ë ---ee' c E N E R A L A s s E M 1) L Yz . . 1' - ) t .)'. . I svwvu oc 1 k.uI tqols$ ; .J +? .. / '- .'k ;$ 1 . *1 to kl f; E: (7 fr Fê E P!'# !:5 t: f: T A T I V ES' lk v . b+%*

k <S

55.

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: î'The gentleman from Lee, Representa-

tive'shapiro, to close.t

David Shapiro: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, I would say in defense of .this Bill that provides

ah.. that the amount of the flat grant shall be specified

in appropriations. And the fact that this year, there will

be a differentiàtion between General Education Ccurses and

vo-Ed courses and there i's ample evidence to support this

concept. Everyone knows and everyone is aware that vo-sd

courses are much more expensive than General Education

courses. And therefore, the reason for the differentiation

in the appropriation, feel personally that the ah... if

the flat grant rate is specified in the appropriation, that

the safeguards are there just as if it were specified in- f a favorable vote onthe Law. And I would still ask or .

this Bill.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The question is, 'shall House Bill

4448 pams?'. Al1 those in' favor will signify by voting

'aye', the opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who

wished? The gentleman from Rcck Tsland, Representative

Henss, to explain his vote.''

Donald A. Henss: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen, this

is a good Bill. What occurs at the present time is that th

Governors' reduction vëto is lost on this Appropriation Bi1

because, the amount is written into the statute. He can not

reduce the Appropriation to an amount and still give an

increase to the Junior Colleges unlbss he has a Bill avail-

.. qsrjltv's:.. ? % ) -..- ''c c f:,' N E R A l.. A s s E M 13 L Y? .'? t. J .1. .. x . z. t .( ; 1 f v ' s'r a'r c o r.' 1 uut N o Isf ; -. t ' '1$ . to/ -J ' ust: o rr 84 cpl4cuc slvxvl vtts.. uo

./ , q/z-yz

56.

able to' him to send back to the Legislature with amendatory

language. This will create an uncertainty with the Junior'

Colleges well into the School YeaE. So that, the procedure

which is now being followed out of the new Constitution

creates a great uncertainty in the amount of the Appropria-

tion if the Junior Colleges are to have an increase. I

think that you should vote for this Bi1l.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Have al1 voted who wished? The gent e-

man from Lake, Representative Matejevich, to explain his

Vote-''

John S. Matejevich: ''Mr. Speaker, since I wouldn't want

'no' vote to misinterpret my intent that I do favor ah..

greater ah.. State participation in Vocational Funds; howev r,

I think that this differentiation could be done by specific

provision. And therefore, I would like to be recorded at

voting' 'present' ''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Record Representative Matejevich asvoting 'present'. The gentleman from Lee, Representative

.-K

Lee, to explain his vote.''

David C. Shapiro: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, I would like to ask leave of the House to place

House Bill 4448 on postponed consideration. I'm positive,

there has been misunderstanding on the Bill. It passed

this House almost unanimously last year. And there is no

reason it shouldn't this year.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Does the gentleman have leave? Hous.

Bill 4448 will be put on the order of postponed considerati n.

- - ----VX p'' ,,,'vx j -w w o j; j; kg j: jj j. jr'L 'é-. .' r; . G E N E R A L A( l1. t ( / .' ' ' s'r Jk 'r E o v' l t. u j 11 o I sj / . ....$ .* %V 1.1 o u t; r: o F n E: e fx E s e: lN1 T A. q' f v E S

. 4. . -. V.L4x*

57.

House Bill 4543.'.

Fredric B. selcke: ''House Bill 4543, a bill U'or an Act to

amend 'The Insurance code'. Third reading of the Bill.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: *The gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Epton.''

Bernard E. Epton: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, this is Bill that has been up before on several pre-

vious days relative to some of the Amendments. At that

time, we started to discuss this Bill and some questions

were raised. some how or another, the impression has been

givën erroneously, I should add, that this Bill is a '

regulatory, rate-making Bill. It is not. It has absolutely

nothing to do with the rate making 'structure presently exist' a non-existing in the state of Illinoising, or I should s y,

today. This Bill is simply authorizes the existence of

advisory organizations to compile statistics and to dissemin '

ate them to the Insurance IndusEry. And the reason this is

needed is because advisory organizations should be and must

be regulated as they were previously by the Department of

Insurance prior to August 1, 1971. Illinois could be faced

with Federal intervention and an anti-trust area unless this

particular Bill is pàssed. An now anyongst other things,

Article thirty and a half regulated.advisory organizations.

If you'll recall that the attempts last year to extend the

time of this Article failed. And thus, we have no legisla-

tion presently pending to regulate either the rates or any

advisory organization. Now, I should add, khat this Bill

. <pM.;Al> ,l * w... ? h t .-;w c G E N E It A L A S S E M 8 L Y? tl..z.. . qi ! j@ j :t ,..p ; , svsx.lz o s l uuI s o.s. ç . , ry'k è f' r: . ' 'uoulsc os acel.cscuvgkx.vtrs. .1. ' x.' <, ..IL . : e

. ' 58

came about primari ly as a result o f inquiries made 1ay brclce s

in the State of Illinois. These inquiries were directed to

the Illinois Study Commission and we had some hùarings.

And, we found out that without getting into the rating

structure that we needed some legislation to allow the De-

partment of Illinois to step into certain areas. Although,

they could not and under this they cannot affect rates or

regulate rates. They shculd have this authority to regulat

advisory organizations. As a result of these hearings,

Representative Krause, Representative Miller, Representativ

Yourell and Representative Sevcik and I sponsored this Bill

which is a creature of the Illinois Study Commission. It

permits the Department of Insurance to examine these Ad-

visory Organizations and their Members to make sure'that

the insurance data is being used correctly and to make'sure

that these organizations and compankes are in compliance.

with the Article. If violations are found, the Director

may issue a cease and desist order and may revokê or sus-

pend thezr license . It specif ically prohibits these organi

zations from formulating and distributing prices for insur-

ance policies by limiting them to compiling insurance sta-'tistics and preparing insurance policies, bond forms and

derwriting rules. Now. much of this info'rmation is atun

your desk in the form of a fact sheet which was prepared.

It corrects the problem, the situation which the commercial

brokers and insurance agents are presently facing. our

municipalities in Township classific./tions for fire protec-

. > -..7. A i * r % 'xks ! .

:* .. A . ...-., sr '. G E N j.T 1). A j. A s s E M B L Yp jr L.. ' - . 2 :

Cjy .ç )1 ' t , . s 'r a v u sa p. t u u 1 p4 o 1 s$ . ' :' /' nf ' '' 'N 1J.$/ . I.l o u s c: o Iz' R e: rà i'l cs 12 N'r A 'r I u u s' . ., -; s.%+

<sc

59.

di-tion cannot be presently updated to reflect improved con

tions. This is simply because the authorization for dis-

tributing this information t'o the insurance companies is

needed. Ncw, the Department of Insurance will be handi-

capped in effectively regulating of these insurance

activities which should be regulated. I should add, that

thé Director of Insurance has been here' and has personally

spoken to many Members of the flcor. The reason the Depart

ment of Insurance has not asked for these powers before was

becauae they would have been in conflict with the open

competition law in the fire approval rating. As it present /

exists in Illinois, we have neithex one. And therefore the

Department feels this is extremely key in effective regulation.

They were pleaseé that the Insurance Study Co=nission ori-

ginated this Bill. I should add, that the administration,

likewise, ùlthough it is a bipartisan Bill, they have indi-

cated their full support. And, finally to make it just aliEtle bit more palatable for a1l of us, and we are well

aware of the fact that in the opinion of many of us dis-

crmination has been exereised by many of us in the City of

Chicago. We are very upset. We are Titally opposed to

the four zone area in the City of Chicago. And just to

make sure, we add an additional prokective measure in this

Bill. The first Amendment that we put on makes dis-

criminatory for any insurance eompany in the State of I1li-

nois to base their rates upon a geographical division incth .

City of Chicago. I think that is important to those of us

j- v ...p . , ,x: ''e' ) fJw z

) : : -.,- c c E N E lt A L A S S E M 11 L Y-; LJ . . . 2; -: k 1 .'t - : : s .r a v. Ic o r.. , uu 1 p, o l sf 2 -.z ...,,v b.$* ib* . + H ou sc o e a t.: er/ E î;E NT A T I u Eshkj . ' . q' r t .. ., . , . I #. * .

6O.

who for many years bave been f iqlRting the discriminatory

policy. And I should add that this Amendment was put on

because we put it very bluntly with the Insurance Industry '

and we have the assurance that in spitç of this Amen*nent,

which is not to their liking, they will continue to write

insurance in the inner City. I respectfully solieit your

vote in favor of this Bill which is vitally needed by the

entire state of Illinois.'k

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook Representa-#

tive otis collins.''

Otis Collins: ''Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield to a

questionr'

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''He indicates he will.d'

otis G. Collins: ''Ah.. Representative Epton, this is a regula

tory Bill. Ah.. I'was p'articularly concerned ah. . with ah..

the absence of an Amendment ah. . to this Bill. It so ha/pe sthat during ah.. the previous session, we had... we had

quite a bit of dialogue and discussion with reference to

the problems of the auto policy holders as well as insurane

companies and we introduced House Bill 1516 which was open

ah.. competition ah.. Bill open ah . . Now, on that Bill

we had two Amendments and I noticed that you have one of

the Amendments included here, but I notice the absence of

the second Amendment having to do with a modest appropriaw

tion ah.r for the Director to ah. . the Director to be able

to investigate and determine any unfair discrimination with

refdrence to ah.. alR.-'with... the eitension of the same

C'---'-'''''-U'--'ItVM * 1 * ' ' ' / ' ,v

3- . ) : -.> A G E N I ? I l A L A S S E M B L Y. t 7: - . . à4 :, f a 1L J ! ym l v u ip r.. 1 u u I wl o $ s1x. $ . * T=. ' ? -.% X. Id o tz s IJ C) p- I 7 E e r# L s tt N T /& T 1 W E Fq' t:-L..----Kb t s%*

6l.

hazard and expense elements . The reason raised this issu '

because the fact that, %e, in the inner City of Chicago

have had some grave problems with reference to insurance

rates. Ah.. my question is specifically with reference to

the absence of the second Ameninent that was an agreed

Amendment, one of the two agreed Amendments to House Bill

1516 when it passed this House overwhelmingly and went ove

to the Senateo'f

Bernard E. Epton: ''l suspect your question is why it not

on this Bi11? Is that correct?''

Otis Collfns: ''I beg your pardon.''

Bernard E. Epton: ''Is your question why is that Amendment not

on this Bill?''

otis G. Collins: ''That's right-''

Bernard E. Epton: nVery sfmply because we didn't feel that it

was neceésary. I believe that the distincticn should cet-

tainly be made. This is a regulatory Bill in the sense of

any claiy practices or Bills of that nature. It's not a.R

rate-making, regulatory Bill. So, we can eliminate that

ticular phase. Second you referred to the two'previouspar ,

Amendments on Bill 1516 and indicated that they were by

agreement. I call to your attention that the Illinois In-

surance Study Commission has met for six months. We 've

had hearings in which wê threatened to subpoena the Dir-

ectors of State Farm Insurance Company and Allstate Insur-

anee Company. Both of those Companies indicated that they

were not a party to any agreement to' any so called .. . to an

- - - x- ;z,,.;.' ,. t . ' -. - > r c Ià: N E jt A L A s s E M 1$ L Yt k.- L. )- 2 .; ) . k . svaa.u og j uj-lw o,s$ 5 .. ., .. .y ? .r. . . .y e . H otl 61 t: o F R r': P i? t: G E 14 T A'r I V' E:S41 , L.c-jex*

62.Bill that was passed. I agree entirely with you, Representc-

tive collins. That Bill. . . those Amendmehts were needed

then. They should have been passed at that time. But we

do not have $10,000 to prevensw discrimination at the pre-

sent time. The Commission has $100,000. So, we have more

than enough to make the Insurance Companies do the very job

1your seeking. And for the first time,'

as a result of that t. inquiry on those demands, we have not a alleged agreement.

'

We have a firm committment from'the Companies that do bus-'

jiness in the State of Illinois that they will live with .

Amepdment No. l to this Bill and they will continue writing *

insurance and not withdraw from the inner City. This is th

first time in Illinois wedve 'ever had that committment. An

I can assure you that kf they don't honor it, the Illinois

Insurance.study Commission will have them down by subpoenaeach and every day of the week

.'' '

Otis G. Collins: ''Ah . . Mr. Speaker,' May I address myself to.4' 'the Bill? ''

.M '

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Yes: proceed.''

Otis G. Collins: ''Ah . . Mr- speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen o

' the House, I'm certainly. . . I have no objections to givingthe Insurance Companies some relieve

. Ah . . I ' m particularly'

;concerned with giving the Insurande Companies some relief .But, I'm only coneerned about the poor guy who drives the .

car and buys insurance . Now, I ah.. I hesitate to rise ah. .

in opposition to even a seetion of this Bill sponsored by

. my colleague and ah .. the eo-sponsors particularly. This

- %.%..w (z 1 z .4..>- '! . ->-$:. G E N E R A 1

- A S S E $1 8 L Y;7 ) î1- :: 1.. . g. '!( t y . jw rf )i. 7 s 'r Jq 'r t: o r' I u. u 1 pz o 1 sh ;' n**. ' .* Y G G tl S Z. O F R C P 6R QQS Ql N Y' AY l V VQS. :1 ç. . j . :w%

63

is no reflection on eiuher the Sponsors or the Co-sponsors

because I feel that, in addition to being able-legislators,'

) tlemen. And I àreel that they have reall#they are tru .y gen -

adjusted themselves to it and the problems you would agree

on. They've really worked hard ah.. on the job. But, whenwe consider, say to you, when We consider the fact that

ah.. this Bill is introduced .in order to prevent applica-'

Ferguson Anti-Trust Act from being 'tions of the Mccarran-

applied to Illinois and are important at this point. Ah..

we mentioned that House Bill 1516 had two Amerzdments. It

had one Amendment having to do with eliminating divisions

of municipalities over two million. It had a second Amend-

ment. The second Amendment had to do with adjusting'iEself

to serious grievances of the auto driving public. Could

have a little order, 1.œ . Speaker? Mr. Speaker, could

have j'ust a little order? Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentl.-

. men of the House, let's just stop for a minute here and let's

consider for a minute ah.. the Mccarran-Ferguson Act and

what we're doing here. And I'm for what we're doing and th

only thing that I'm saying is that we don't go far enough.

I would certainly like to have this Bill, perhaps, moved

back to second reading in adding'just a small Amendment to

protect the auto driving public. That's al1 I'm asking.

You know, the poor people who drive cars, they have a rough

time. And they don't have many people speaking in their

behalf particularly when it comes to insurance rates. Now,

in the Mcca/ran-:'e<guson Act of 1945 reaffirmed the applica-

'- - - - -vya, ,, : ' h .m..'zy G E N E jt A L A S S E 51 B L Yzt yy. . ..I : .- ë - svax.c o r.. , uu,,q o'sy i .- .

.t; g =L . o g ja c e s u s rr sj w a v 1 v E s( F'.xr t . H otl 56:E . œy( . :.:+

6 4 .

tion of the Anti-Trust Laws to instlrance . But . in so doing ,ë)

they created eulogy of jurisdic Uion . It so happens that

they limit regulations to the State as long as the State

promoted Law: in the interest of the public. As you know.

the Act was an outgrowth of the Supreme Court decision in

the Southeaàtern Undarwriters Case whereas, in which the

Department of Justice attacked the monôpoly to control by

prices exercised by a large combinakion of Insurance Com-

panies and regulations. Congress did deal with the most

offensive features of the rating bureau on this Regulatory

Burqau and found in this particular case having to do with

boycotting courts and intimidation. It did so by specifi-

cally retaining Federal Anti-Trust qjurisdiction over such

matters irrespective of State Regulations. Now, what r'm '

saying here, and that is that in House Bill 1568, we did

have the Director... We did give the Director the privilege

of having power in use. An Insurance Company could insti-

'tute. a rate at its. own discretion, but they would have to.M '

file the rate with the Department of Insurance. Now, what

Itm saying specifically is that is open competition rating

was a loose process, this particular Bill does not have

power in use. Does not have the regulation Mf even the

Insurance Companies filing the rites with the Director be-

fore they use it. The Director has noN power here over

rates. Now, if we're going to . .. . I want to say to.to. . .

ou , and heaven knows . thaz' p I love all of my f rs.ends . AndY

some of my best friends are in the insurancc business and

ê h # ..--a 'v c jj N jï R A j A s !; E M IJ L Y' 'C t. .. .) i -'2 :.(j' .j . j'j. ? 4-. fzt, a . s'rx'rc o e' 1 uul sols, :$,,b 'r: ' - ., o k, ss o s a c e a esc s.rax t v csN. . . .''Q :. .. &e%

65.heaven knows, I love them. And I want to help the Insurance

Industry and I want to help the insuranee-minded public.

But, say to you that this is a Bill that is directed Eo-

ward helping the Insurance Company 'and not helping the

Auto Driving Insuranee Public. I say to you, that I would

like very much to have the Sponsor, at a11 possible, to

return the Bill to second reading to add just a small Amend-ment to give-some protection to the Auto Driving Public

.

And, heaven knows. that I would be for the Bill overwhelming

ly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.''

Hono W. Robert Blair: The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Phil Collin .''

Phillip W. Collins: ''Ah . . Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen

of the House. believe that some confusion has been ah...

raised regarding this Bill. think we're... we're talking

about a number of different issues. This a good éill.1

It's a Bill that is needed. And if you'll look at it, it !

has the bipartisan support and sponsorship of a1l the Member

of the Insurance Study Commission . Now, I think that Repre-

sentative Epton explained the Bill very well, but if you'll

bear with me, 1'11 try onee again . The Bill gives the De-

partment of Insurance power to regulate sèrvice-type organi-

zations, the advisory organizations. It permits the Depart-

ment to examine these organizations and the Members to make

sure that the data is being used eorrectly. Ah.. if viola-

tions are filed, the Director may issue a cease-desist orderand may revoke or suspend ah .. licenses. It prohibits these

organizations from formulating and distributing priees for

' ' U >p ' k, ..--. '?? j... .j ' :: . G E N E R A L A S S f M 8 1.. Yi,l #' ?.k h ' sxaxu .e. Iuutnossh 6 ) .j$ . .vm7 '.r7 .N Mmr. I'I DU E; IS o F IR E I#FI E5 C; N3' A T l V E:5' .;

. ZZ-..N.

66.

insurance policies and limits them to compiling insurance

statistics and preparing insurance policies, bond forms

and undengriting rules. And furthermore, it prohibits any

collusion between these organ'izations.. the organization

companies in the use of their informational and sbatistical

data. This is a bill that is needed. It's needed by

commercial insurance buyers, such as apartment house owners

and business owners. They need it to buy enough insurance

for full protection. Risks ar* written by several companie

and these companies can't get together to right these risks

ah.. unless this 1aw is passed or they will risk being in

violation of Anti-Trust Statutes. Ah.. insurance brokers

and agents are in a bind in this state. I happen to be one

and I realize that we are facing markets that are érying upfor commercial business; This is because there is no 'autho -

ity for joint underwriting and joint reinsurance which i.s

needed to write lot commercial risks. The danger is very

real but companies will leave the Illinois mariet ah.. if#

'

xv-A

we do not pasé this Bill because of their fear of Anti-

TtY st charges. Municipalities in Township classifications

' for Fire Insurance can't be updated ah .. to reflect the im-

proved conditions because the authority for digtributing

this information to the insurance companies is needed. And,

furthermore, the Department of Insurance is handicapped in

effectively regulating all insurance activities which shoul

be regulated. This Bill is needed'very badly. is neede

by the Department of Insurance. needed by the Insur-

..;. , < j. sx l l ,?wN ' : ' zd? .'? .: -> r G E N E lt A L A S S E M 1) L Yi t. ) . z !i; :k , . a svave os tt-ultqosst 6 . . g.i,h . -' . .

's* Wd ' 14 o LI 517 o F N IC P R f: t; t: bl T /$ T I Y! &: S.. xt . , .. *

67

ance Industry. But more imporuant; it is needed by the

insurance buying public. I urge everyone 'to supporu House

Bill 4543.''

I'Ion . :7 . Robert Blair : '' The gentleman f rom Perry, Mr . Cunninghu m . ''

William J. Cunningham: ''Mr. Speaker, I move the previous ques-

tion.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A11 those in favor oE the gentleman's

moticn say 'aye' opposed 'no' the 'ayes' have The# #

previous question has been moved . The gentleman from Cook ,

Mr. Epton, to close-''

Bernard Epton: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen, '

sorry that we got side-tracked, but'Representative Otis

Collins did a very find job in talking about the problems

that face the buying public. I agree with him entirely.

This Bill is one of those things that will do exactly what .

he's trying to do, correct ihat very situation. As a matke

of fact, no one will helped more than those in the ipner

'City. I've tried to indiçate. time and again that this was

deliberately set up by the Commission to avoid any possi-bility of one side or the other taking credit for this

passage-' I've tried time and again Eo indieate, this Bill

does not help tie Inauranee Industry. Representative Phil

Collins indicated that it helps the buying public. As a

matter of fact, just to make sure that we didn't help the

Insurance Irtdustry, we put in that kicker, which was Amend-

ment No. l which sayy tha't there will be no more further

geographical discrimination in thc City of Chicago . This

.- c! 'î:t.*2 , ;,p. z , y . ,? . ? .' -> - . G E N E 11 A L A S S E M 13 L Yl ? :...( - - . , -, - j t .y. 1 ( ; s q ê% T e: o F I L L, I Ul (:: l Sj î j y , n.g /. .xr *:4: ' H o kl s c o F n E P R E S E H 4 & T $ V U. S., ' k;'é

68. : vuysis something that tiRey have resisted for a long t me.

Bill is not at the request of the Insurance Industry. I

could not emphasize that too much. And to those of you whc

get up and speak about the hardships, I call to your atten-

tion the fact that since I've been in this House, I have

taken upon myself and my colleagues in the Commission to

fight that very Industry. As a matter of fact, it may

interest you to know that I've lost some Insurance Company

Claims because of the posture that I've taken. So, think

I resent, as quietly as I can, the insinuation that this

might help the Tndustry. I couldn't care less about the

Insurance Industry. think that this Bill deserves your

support. T hope that you will vote favorably for

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. rrhe queation is, 'shall

House Bill 4543 pass?'. All those in favor will vcte 'aye',

and th'e opposed The gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Barry-''

Tobias Barry; ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, 5 don't think that I had to ask any questions before

the motion was made, but I do think that this Bill is worth

noting. I ah.. should probably first remind everybody that

the ah.. penalty for violating this Bill is a great big' j .$100.00 for violation for a misdemeanor. I don t think tha

there would be any violations, frankly because, if you'll

look at tha first page, the purpose of the Bill is to authp -

ize the existenee of advisory organizations. Now, original y

the Sponsor indicated that this Bill wa s not a rate-making

Bill. However, Amendment No. has been tabled uses the#

.'g%?. l ---- h; G E N E 11 A L A S S E M 13 L Ytj. Vç )k . .-$..' ')r sv ,. x rs o e. . u t. , sl o j se .)<f =' - j.t ou s c o rr Iv cee. s: sc N v A v , v csk

.,,..1 ' sest. ?c . .

69.

phrase ah.. 'will not base the rates, andsoforth', admittin

very inlpliedly and di stinctly that that was the purpose of

khe Bill in the first place. And you'll read through

the Bill in various paragraphs, you can check it out. For

example, on pages4, paragraph number 5 u' nder Section 12389

the oirector may review. It doesn't say that the Director

has to do anything here. on page number ik says in lieu

of the examination by the Director, the Director may accept

a report of an examination by an insurance regulatory offic

of another State. Obviously, this Director doesn't have to

do a darn thing under this Bill. But, it is pretty obvious

to me that we are talking about rate-making in a very sophi -

ticated way. On page for example, even the notices be-

tween the'cbmpanies and the Director shall be confidential.

First paragraph of page'6. Ncw, ik is obvious to me, 'as r

stand here, that this ié a very sophisticated way of causin

rate-making in Illinois because the companies are afraid of

i ht do to them. we 'know whatwhat the Federal boy ,m g

happened in the last Session. This is a very sophisticated

way to do it aqain in this Session. l call your special

attention to paragraph 4, section 123810, the last few word

which reads as follows: 'To authorize, to conduct joint

reinsurance and joint underwriting activities in this state'.That's the purpose.of this Bill. I think that it's a bad

Bill. I think the whole Insurance Industry needs some work

done on it. I'm trying to be a pirt of that. Certainly,

one way tc give tbe pecple a break 'is not to keep the Dir-

''-*' . ....:ru j .'- f- fw:,$ -n - - c s x E R A L. h s s E M 8 L. v' ..p; g. . - .

'

t( j N'MV 1 ' i l , 1 s'r #& + k o p' I t. u 1 sl o 1 G' ç . ': ,. ; > .. 7 . . .h. ..4 . H otl s e: o F e'' E:P 12 e: :: E2 e4 'r 83 1 N? L:CJ. '%l x % p%P

$ ' -'' '

70.

ector of Insurance from looking at'the rates. I recoanend

a vote.''

Jlon. W . Robert Blair : '' The gentleman f rom Cook, Mr . Epton . ''

Bernard E. Epton': ''Mr. speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, explain

ing my vote, I can't help to take the time to say that I'm

shoeked that a gentleman like Representative Barry would

create the insinuations that he has. I think that is

a very very- .. It's not even a veiled insinuation. If ever

I heard a legislator being cc 1ed corrupt in his presentati n

or in his presentation, explanation of a Bill, that's ex-

actly the way I would phrase I resent it very much and .

I think that it's a shame that we have to sometimes display

our ignorance when we make accusations of that nature.

think that if thd gentleman in question will look at the

Amendment he is talking about, he'll realize that that Amen -

ment was pùt on by Representative Yourell. If that Bill wa

previpusly passed by Representative Yourell in attempt to

remove the discrimination, and when we found out that that

Bill that Representative Yourell had presented and passed

in the House, in the Committee, was attached to a section

of the Code that no longer existed. At that time, Repre-

sentative Yourell and I decided that the beWt way to get th's

across would be to tack it onto ihi: particular Bill. So

that when it refers to rate-making, it's not only... it's a

deliberate, I shouldn't say deliberate. like Representa-

tive Barry too much. It's certainly an accidental false-

hood. When %çe rofer to rakes, we siDply say that any rates

,) ops, o+,?b - - G E N E 11 A L h s s E M 8 L Yvt j. .: . . 'j

I M ' f J 1 sv n'rtr o p' I ut- 1 N o Ist. f' Jt.:,. sr:.' . . s, ,: ,;* 1$ # ...V. H O tl S E C> lr l ' tl P 1 R EQ S 11 11 T A T 1j '

7l.

set by a company. The rates that a company sets can not be

determined by virtue of any geographic division. Insofar,

as rates in Illinois today, 1et me refer you to, as Repre-

sentative Barry referred you to certain sections, let me .

refer you National Underwriter, the Property and Casualty

Insurance addition of May 5, 1972. In a roundup of the

various rate-making organizations in open competition laws

and- . in the gnited states, it goes on to state open com-

petition, in effect, in fourteen States during 1971 was

having its trouble spots, howevdr. was cancelled in

Florida after two years of operation and prior approval was

reinstated. In Illinois, open rating as a 1aw was allowed

to expire by the State Legislature. But, since it wls not

replaced with another system, that State now has the purest

form of open competition yet. Ladies and Gentlemen, in

Illinois, if the Department of Insurance does not have any

regulation, the Insurance Industry can set any rates any

which way they please. And under Vhis Bill, they can still

do it. So, for anybody to infer that this Bill gives them

additional rights or less rights is a deliberate distortion

of the effects. This Legislature will have to face up soone

or later either open competition or to prior approval. That's

a privilege that we will detenuine at a later date. The

vote on this Bill does not do so. And for Representative

Barry to... a distinguished colleague to infer otherwise

is a sad mistake. And I'm sorry. You may question my

'judgement, Ladies and Gentlemon, but don't ever ever questioà

,' t'* '? . 7,-7 'ev', G E N E 11 A L A S S E M B L Yt j 4. - - : I(y- s >.. , ' wk)(;' :; ) s'I'Avu or- ' uut-o' s

. .J # U' ' '4 * . H (D kl S E D C FR E P 12 E S C P? T 8. Y 1 W C: S''l ''' ,. .. %.%*.,.,

72.

my integrity-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cdok, Mr. Duff.''Brian B. Duff: ''Mr. Speaker, I rise to explain my vote. Ah..

I think that'we're caught, perhaps unfortunately, in an

argument that is a year old and not clearly applicable here.

It's true ah.. as Representative Barry has said, that this

is .a sophisticated Bill, and naturally 'and necessarily so.

Not a deceitful Bill, but indeed, a sophisticated Bill. We

are caught in this House and this State in an argument as

to whether we should have open rating or prior approval.

That argument is yet to be settled and I'm sure it will be '

deliberated over the next year or two long and hard. Never

theless, we are dealing with an Industry in this State whicYprobably emplcys ' more people than any other single Industr .

We are dealing with an Industry in this State which indeed

supplies muchxof the financial backing for the eeonomy of. S.lllinois and the.- .

'and the.- in days like this, cbviously'

necessary. This Bill addresses itself in a sophisticated,...e ' ,

way to a resolution of problems that this Industry will havbecause of our lack of action .in those other two fields.

The inner City will suffer considerably if the reinsurance

market is destroyed. . All thpse persons who are in somekind of substandard or specialized r:ting problem will suffe .The Market, the Insurance Industry and financial backi

pgwill hurt the State of Illinois. lAis a good Bill. Thisis a Bill which meets .temporarily at least a eompromise to

the very real argument that we are having in this State and

ïk1 :Fè A ' #' .,.? ' Cj 4 . >...-'> c p: x E R A j. A s s E M 1) L Y, jr . . ... y( l ç : f. --'b? . i. s a. ,k v E! o c I u u

I ,g o 1 sk '.J?k'.' r. -- yIo u sa o s n ce ,? c s s r. v ,..,.l v r!s. ,, ' .s e

73.

in this House between open rating and prior approval. It

would be short-sighted, indeed, not to take a literally bi-

partisan effort to accomplish a very difficult resolution

of one of Illinois' greatest current needs. I vote 'aye'.n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from ah.. St. Clair,

Aœ . Krause-''

James G. Krause: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Ladie

and Gentlemen of the Houst, in explaining my votq, just

want to point out that the objections that Representative

Collins made in the Amendment he wanted are already part of

the Bill. And I think that if we al1 took a real good look

at this Bill and studied we'd realize that this is a

consumers Bill. This is not an Insurance Ccmpanj: Bill and;$I would appreciate the 89 votes to pass this Bill.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Thè gentleman from Cook, Mr. Milier.''

' Peter J. Miller: ''Mr. Spèaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the. $.

House, virtually every State the United States has this

Law. We had this Law under prior approval and open rating.ze .

Many of the speakers on this side of the aisle who are know

ledgeable, who read the Bill, who are acquainted with what

the commission and Members of the Insurance Committee have

been doing. This is a Bill that creates a healthier climate.

It gives protection to the companies so that their not sub-

ject to Anti-Trust. Tt helps the inner City. And when you

talk abput discrimination, Representative Collins knows that

am the one that placed the Amendment on the open rating

Bill and sent it over. there, becaude we had to. It was fai .

. x. .DS/ X 1 ' e.x& : . o x c j'j N E jt A L A j; S E M 8 L Y: & . 'v..a () ,.t) gj. . : . . . rx , ( jlt : k b r. - s'ra'ce o,z 'uu'eqo'sh . ' ' -.j.%.1. ''n.. ' ! s c;o s s o s r. rce 1, ss c ., v xv ' v cs% x 4 '' ' x +'i. . N ez

..I v( .. . --

yA

It was none other than Bernie Epton who as Chairman of the

Insurance Study Commission took heed from Ahe companies and

insisted. He has done a wonderful job here and at every

hearing, I sit there and I almost have to feel sorry for

the companies in the way... in the way he handles it. But,

I want to tell you one thing, this Bill is needed. It is

not a ah.. vested interest Bill. No, it's a Bill for the

public. And when your voting, your helping your constitœ nts..

And I'm happy to vote 'aye'.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. B. B. Wol e.''

Bernard B. Wolfe: didn't get a... Mr. Speaker, didn't

get a chance to ah.. ask the Sponsor a question. Maybe on

the explanation, like the clarification of one point.

It seems to me that presently there is in Illinôis these

so called Advisory Organizations that are presently operati g.

And the Section l23a-l for 'purpose of the Article does not

even though it so states create the authorization for these

organizations to operate and stated to come into the state.A '

And ah.. the main thrust of the Bill being to now regulate

the so called Advisory Organizations to the Insurance Com-h

panies. Could I have an answer from the Sponsor on that,

please, Mr. Spàaker?''

''well it's a bit unusual but go ahead.''Hon. w . Robert Blair: . ,

Bernard B. Wolfe: ''Mr. Epton, is that correct?''

Bernard E. Epton: ''At present: the Advisory Organizations are

doing absolutely nothing . There just 'sittilzg there . ''

Bernard B. Wolfe: ''Are they now funetioning in the State of

------U . :'', ,..?. ? * 8 ( - n''r G E N E R A L A S S E M 8 L Yt- ' ' :t.i;) svsvs or- ,uu,-ossf ç u .g. .t up t, .* > . H O tl C1 E O P' F? f: P R :7 :; C e; T A N' 1 V E: C1

..41 .. : r':P*

7 5 .

Illinois though? ''

Bernard E . Epton : ''No . '.

Bernard B. Wolfe: ''They are not opetating 5.11 this State?''

Bernard E. Epton: ''No they are no't operating .''

#

Bernard B. Wolfe: ''They have no authority to operate?''

Bernard E. Epton: ''They are not going to operate because they

are afraid of the possibility, if they prepare statistics

for use, that they could be involved with the Anti-Trust.

And therefore, they are not in operation. They're simply sit

ting on their assets.''

Bernard B. Wolfe: ''Thank you.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nAny furkher explanation of votes? The

Clerk will take the record. On this question, thera'are

1l3 'Ayes', and 14 'Nays', and this Bill having received

the Constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. 45..

4544 '' '

Fredric B. selcke: ''House Bill 4544, a bill for an Act to

amend 'The Vehicle Code'. Third reading of the Bill.''xe

Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Stark, Mr. Nowlan-''

James D. Nowlan: ''Mr. Speaker and Members, House Bill 4544

simply reduces from 21 years of age to 18 years of age, the

age below which persons must receive the consent of their

parents before applying for a license or permit to drive.

This was recommended by the Governor's Office Traffic

Safety Committee, the Secretary of State 's Office and ah..

is legislation which came out of Chairman Pappas' Committee

unanimously and I ask for your support.''

, a ,. ) . --,-. e'c G E N E 1( A j. A s s E 51 11 L Y; ..f 7. - ' . t ,.. y ''$' J s'ra'rc o p. l uul Nolsk î ) . . J . p. ' .* '7. ' .A %*: . H Okl :5 E2 G F R E P1k Ct1 t': N T A T 1 V E 5% : , p%*f . v I 1 . 1

-z

76 .

Hcn . W . Robert Dlair : .' Discussion? irhe gentleman f rom McEfenr ,

M.r. llanahan . ''

'Jhomas J. Hanalzan : ''Mr . Speaker and Members of the House , a

f ew terms agtb, we put in this Bill to allow drivers license-

up to the age of 2 l . Of all the parents who resci'nd the

drivers license as a method of control over young people

who are driving that the Father and Mofher had the right

ito resc 'nd the drivers license, if a young man or a young

woman did not go along with their wishes. In most cases,

the ages from 18 to 2l, which I do concur that in most in-

stances should be redueed from 21 to 18, but in this in- '

stance, because of the cost of insurance, because of the

parental liability and because of many other features that

a parent should have some arm, some method of controlling

their children, even though they have reached the age of 18

as far as driving. I oppose this Bi1l. think that it is

bad legislation. It's been, I think, only two terms.since'we passed this Law. And to repeal it . . . Most parent don ' t

,z-' .

even know that they could rescind a drivers license of youn

people f rom 18 to 21 e just by a letter . W e passed that Lawjust a couple of terms ago. So, going to oppose this

Bill on that basis.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nFurther discuvsion? The gentleman fro

Stark, Mr. Nowlan.''

James D. Nowlan: ''Mr. Speaker, in closing, I would respond to

Representative Ilanahan by noting that Pete Pappas of the

Seeretary of State's Office ah . . contends that t14is would

s. ''j' !71'/ ' , ..A' : '' '.%> . j : > N. .. G E N E It A L A S S E 51 B L Y..? tp . . ;t f k 1 : ' svavc o p. 1 uuI slols'i ; x , . , k.$

. . . .0 . .%. k é . +1 ota S C. o lT lQ ER1'# Est! B1T A'T l D E F# ? .2-:. 1 : & %*'i

77.

have no effect on insurance ah.. for drivers between the

age of 18 and 20, in that if they reside outside their'

' d icile they must ah.-'seek out that insuranceparents om ,

separately and living at home, they must be covered

under the same policy. It seems to me that most persons

between the ages of 18 and 21 are ah.. independent of their

parents to a substantial degree. And that they should have

the responsibility for determining their right to seek

application to drive and be covered Sy the same Laws as eac

of the rest of us. So, ask for your support on this

proposal.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further discussion? Alright..

The question is, 'shall House Bill 4544 pass?'; All'those

in favor will vote 'aye' and the opposed 'no'. Have all#

'

voted who wishea? The Clerk will take the record. On this

questi6n, there are 128 'Ayes' and 3 'Nays', and this Bill#

having received the Constitutional majority if hereby de-clared passed. 4592.,:

Jack O'Brien: nHouse Bill 4592, a bill for an Act to amend

'The School Code'. Third reading of the Bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Lawrence Mr. Cunni g-#

ham.''

Roscoe Cunningham: ''Mr. Speaker, and Members of the House,

House Bill 4592 provides scholarships for families, members

of the family of Viet Nam Veterans missing in action or

killed in action. It was unanimously supported in the

House. I respectfully request your vote now.''

p..'y.'l :qkqpqprl ,. .-.u%&

J '? j '' .'- ':e G E N E R A L A S S E 1$1 B L Yf j (. % . . . i

j y ;t .. 72 ! svav.s o s . uu1 ,q oIs. ' .? n'' *'x :4 Hou sE o Fr r*cesv t.ise:N-ran'dv Es ,, , , 2r.: .%4.. .. u

78.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? The question is, 'Shall

this Bill pass?'. A1l those in favor will vote 'aye' and#'

the opposed 'no.'. Have all voted who wished? The Clerk

will take the record. On this question, there are l38 'Aye ',

no 'Nays', and this Bill having received the Constitutional

majority is hereby declared passed. 3772.'.*U' ien: ''House Bill 3772, a bill fo'r an Act to changeJack Br

the date of the holiday known as Veterans Day. Third read-

ing of the Bi1l.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Deprima.''

Lawrenèe Diprima: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, as you -

will recall last year on the last Monday of Octcber, we

celebrated Veterans Day. Well, thëre was so much confusion

between a1l oE the veteran Organizations. They didn't know

wlaether to celebrate it on the last Monday of ah.. October

or wait until Armistice Day. . Consequently, the confusion

ah.. nothing happened and ah.. a'fter that, a11 of the

Veteran.organizations go together and decided that they

would like to have this Bill amended to bring back Veterans

Day to November the 11th. I understand that the Bill passe

the Senate 49 to 1. And I would appreciate your support

on this legislation/ Thank you.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. The gentleman from Cook,

Mr. Katz-''

Harold A. Katz: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and Gentlemen

of the House, a few years ago, we passed here in the legis-

lature, I believe Congross did the same, ah.. a Bill that

C/W,M,% t .--.''r G E N E R A t. A s s E M B L Y:' g. .' 4' t -p ' . - . v . sv n xr: o s. 1 u u I x o lsl C- ) t. . t/- , ,

y'/ n'. ' w yj o u s c o jr n E ry a c 5 t! N T A T 1 V 17 Sk .;ze. .. .f, , ..fk ' e.' ' t

po

rovsaed that in order to enable people to be able to uavep

ah . . long continuous weekends , that we wokïld put Holidays

on a Monday or a Friday . Ah'.'. it seems to me that t13:4E was.

ojaa: tuzrebasically ah . . a good idea. And it seems to me

is confusion with which day that should be celebrated in

connection with Veterans Days that there is no need to go

baèk to the old system where the Holidày comes in the middl

of the week., It seems to me that people do like the idea

of a Holiday being on a Monday or on a Friday. And then,

we are voting ccntrary to the interest ef our constituents

who really, I think, desire b0th to celebrate a Holiday ''

like Veterans Day, but who also see no reason why they can-

not honor a veteran on a Monday or a Friday as well as they

can honor a veter'an by celebrating sunday in the middle of

the week. Accordingly, regardless of the vote that took

place in ihe Senate or regardless of the number of co-spon-

sors on the Bill, it would seem 'to me that we ought .to thin

twice bçfoçe we do this because what we're doing is undoing

a very excellent series of Bills that we enacted he re which

made the Holidays conform to the general pattern that peopl

desire which is that as long as a Holiday is going to occur

why not let it cccuf op a Monday .or Friday, so that the

family can celebrate that Holiday' together, so you can twic

as much enjoyment really out of the same Holiday by celebra ing

it on a Monday or by celebrating it on : Friday. And so,

I would urge your very much that the Sponsor ah.. recon-

sider this kind of Bill that he fix day that would be

. S' ?. i --- el G E N E R A L A S S E 51 B L Yjy ëJ. :. . . j; o r 2 ' f k : s-rav.s op- ' uulplols.j tyz .:, ,.'x' pV% . y H O tl S ED O P' R E P R C N' C P1 'f A T 1 V C S

8O.

Monday or a Friday so tha t there would sti.ll not be con f us 5. 17

between the various Veterans Organizations', but without

changing the salutary policy of putting the Holidays where

ever possible' at the beginning or the end of the week.

that really they will be doubly enjoyed by the citizens ofthis State.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman frcm' Macon, Mr. Borahers.''

W.ebber Bcrchers: ''Mr.' Speaker and Fellow Members of the House,

I'm not in the slightest degree interested in a three day

Holiday that this prior action of the Federal Congress in

the.state gave. It would be in congress, for example, fcr '

us to consider Lineoln's Birthday on a Monday after his

Birthday. Ah.. we should eelebrate Lincoln's Birthday on

the day he was bobn. And the same way with the Veterans.

This is ah.. a World Ware a sad thing, it's true. But,

nevertheleés, is sacred in the hearts of millions upon

millions of Veterans. Millions ôf men died in that World

War I and now World World War IT and we reccgnize as Veter-

ans and many of us here are such. We recognize that Vetera s

that this day is a day we want. And are wishes should cer-

tainly prevail. Now, we're standing on what Congress or

other people may think in relation to other Holidays.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Dupage, Mr. Hrffman-''

Gene L. Hoffman: ''Mr. Speaker, would the sponsor yield to a

question? Representative Diprima. Wculd the Sponsor yield

to a question?'.

Holà . Robert Blair : ''Yes e he indicates he will . ''

zrh'. '. - c s x E ) l A L, A s s iy M Iy L, vïn* . ? ( D- ) .q y . . - kf ' ) 5 5J 1! w ç. ltw J; tp ' STAT'I c' 'r ' t-u. 'xo IsLs- ?.w/. ,n'. ' - pl o u s r.: o s r' Es e 1. s s s ,# v >. v , v s s :' '/

t. .u, . & .% *

(

8l.

Gelàe L . Hof fman : ''What is the ef f ective . . . . What would be the

effedtive date of this legislation? Let me just prefacemy question with this observation. I know that your amend-

ing 'The Sehool Code' in this and most of the Sehool Dis-

tricts have already adopted their School Calendars for t%e

coming year. And that's why I am inquiring in terms of the

effective date. If, in fact, this did become a law, would

it then be in conflict wiEh ah.. Calendars which have alrea y

been adopted-and agreed upon between Boards, Teachers and

the community?''

Lawrenee Diprima: ''I'm sure

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further discussion? Would the

gentleman eare to close. Alright: the question is, 'shall

House Bill 3772 pass?'. All Ehose in favor will vote 'aye',

and the opposed 'nok. zave a11 voted who wished? The çlerl

will take the record. On this question there are....#

The gentleman from Cooke Mr. Richard Walsh, care to explain

your vote.n

Richard A. Walsh: ''Not any longer. No.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Op this question, there are l29 'Ayes'#

and 4 'Nays', and this Bill having received the Constitutio -

al majority is hereby deelared passed. We are again please

to have a distinguished visitor from the other Chamber, the

President and Pro Tebmpore, Senator Partee who, I'm sure,

will be happy to Hello as he usually does-''

sen. Cecil Partee: ''No, I just came o'zer to say Hello. So, I .

said Hello. Bye...''

; X l *'sslA l *'A, r u, r -:>. ''- . G E N E jt A j. A g s E :1 B L Y/ ;) k!c -' ., . @. ,: j '.t't z . s-raviz orr I uuI u o1sty .3 -, .r:,'.t . .

.' $ b..: . e'owsir o'r vzcei.sscrz.t xv,vcs4'' ' ' %ô%*

' 82

Hon. Robert Blair: ''4423..1

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4423, a bill for an Act to amel d' 'The Revenue Actf. Third reading'of the Bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Perry, Mr. Cunni/g-

ham.''

William J. Cunningham: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, this Bill has to do with the changing of the

salary of the various Township Assessors throughout the

state. Passed unanimously through th'e County and Township

Committee. It does two real gocd things. helps al1 of

the small Townships in the State by eliminating the minimum

salary that must be paid. Therefore, it gives them a littl

more home rule that they have had. It does increase the

maximum salary about lœ1 in keeping with the cost of living

increase over a period of years. This has been agreed upon

by County and Township Officials of the State. I know of

no opposition. It's bipartisan in its efforts right sever l

wrongs. And I ask your favorable œ nsideration-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Jaffe.''

Aaron Jaffe: ''Ah.. would the gentleman yield to a questionr'

Hon. Rcbert Blair: ''He indicates he wi11.''

Aaron Jaffe: ''Now, in Cook County actually our Township Collec ors

ah.. do not do the collecting any more because of the court

Ruling by Judge O'Brien. Ah.. as a consequencep many of

them are not getting any pay. Would this require them to

get pay ncw or could the.y get pay now beaause of this partic

ular ah.. Bi1l?''

.v-4t.tzt.u, .. s* .? gr % e -ux.f. G E N E jt A L A S S E 51 B L Y( 2:. ..' ' j ;1 2 c. 4 ' );'. ) : sv arc o p. l u us pl o 1 syx. ' j'.'.r ..L% .%'. s jo c, s c o s rz e: ea cs c x v Av j v csi: , .

. .:., . , ,w.*

83 .

William J. Cunningham: ''Oais is entiraly ah.. There is no

mandatory provisions in thi s Bill at all. Xt does set the

maximum. It oliminates the mi' nimum. It accents ihe positiNe

and eliminates the negative. And it does only apply to

Township Assessors.''

Aaron Jaffe: ''We1l could you tell me what the maximum and

minimmfl are according to your ah.. Bill,' sir?n

Wioliam J. Cunningham: ''On what?''

Aaron Jaffe: ''Ah.. the maximum salary as what....''

William J. Cunningham: ''The population. On what populationr'

Aaron Jaffe: ''scheduled by population?''

William J. Cunningham: uYes, it's scheduled by population

according to the size oE the Township. If you'd give me

the size of a Town'ship, I could tell you by the Bill. Yes-'

Aaron Jaffe: ''Well, let's say 125,000 or 120,000.''

William J. Cunnbingham: .'100,000 or more. the maximum salary

was $17,000 and this sets $19,000'. The minimum salary was

$9,500 a>d this eliminates the minimum salary completely.

You can pay whatever you desire now. This was required by

some Townships not having the money to meet the minipums

that we had set up. That's basically why it is a home rule-''

Aaron Jaffe: ''Yeah but,'isn't it true that most Township

Assessors are really part time jobs?t'.

William J. Cunningham: ''They are in Cook County. If so, you

can adjust their salary under this Bill to whatever their

actual hours wiil perform for a minute. And it goes farther

than that onto the hourly basis and the per day basis. You

- - ----7F. t,'..,.

. - ) * .--s'-y G E N E It A L A S S E 51 1) L Y. ;ï y:- ' .( 7 ç ïl r$v:. 2 1 sv a'rc o rz , uu , sl o 1 sh. ' ')iö';

.

.zt' v . s o u s c o c ra e e r. s s s x v a v. I w c sqê ,, .-.

84.

know that you can pay them on a per day. You used to have

to pay them $15.00 per day and not to exceed $30.00. Now.

we've eliminated the $15.00 per day. It's still not to ex-

ceed $30.00, but you don't have to pay them the $15.00 now

if you don't want to.n

Aaron Jaffe: ''Well, Bill, all I want to know is' this. My

Township which happens to have about 120,000 people. You

' say that they can now pay the Township Assessor $19.000 for

a part time job. Is that correct?''

William J. Cunningham: ''That's right. It was $17.000.'1

Aaron Jaffe: ''And there is no more minimum on this. Is that

correctr'

illiam J/ Cunninghàm: ''No more minimum. It's entirelk s'et

now by your Board of Auditors-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there further discussion? The gent 'e-'

to closea''man care

Aaron Jaffe: ''No Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm quite sure that

this isxa good Bill. And once again, I ask your support.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The question is, 'shall House Bill

4423 pass?'. Al1 those in favor will vote 'aye' and the#

opposed 'no'. Have al1 voted who wished? The Clerk will

take the record. On this questiön, there are ll5 'Ayes',

and 9 'Nays', and this Bill having received the Constitutio -

al majority is hereby declared passed. 3626..1

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 3626, a bill for an Act to

amend 'The Vehicle Code''. Third reading of the Bi11.''

Hon . W . Robert Blair : ''The gentleman f roln ah . . Cook, Mr .

.33 ' 7)8:. '' ',,a* ? 'n.-.*. %. G E N E It A L A S S E :1 B L Y,. ) j). . . .: .i( / ç ;t c(,,. i ' sv ,% a.,s o re , uu , ,q o 1 sh.- x/t#, .n6'.

. - e' catg s c o ,.. ,. r.: r, a us c ,.I v ,..r $ w c s

85.

Carroll.''

Howard W. Carroll: ''Oàank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentle

men of the House. House Bill 3626 is a Bill dealing with

bicycle safety. It deals with requiring the type of reflec

tors around the bike. So that the children driving the

streets and highways of our State will be able to be seen

by .our motorists. Especially, in the hours of dusk and

immediately after. fcllows a 'Uniform Manufacturers

Code'. It follows a new California ruaw. And the Manufac-

turers Association had been in agreement with this sysEem.

It will provide for reflectors on the front, rear and sides. .

So that ah..' after these darker hours, the bicycle could be

seen by motorists in any dirèetion. It's a type of reflect

reflector that would have to be approved by t he Secretary

of State and they have ah.. also approved of this. I ask

for a favorable vote.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Peoria Mr. Day.n

Robert G. Day: .''will the sponsor yield for a question?''xe '

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yes, he indicates he wil1.''

Robert G. Day: ''I don't quite understand about the approval

of the Secretary of State. Could yoh explain that to us?

Before this Law becomes effectivq. we must have the approva

of the Secretary of State. Is that the intent?''/ e

Ca/rollrxo. Mr. oay, what weIve said that the typHoward W.

of reflectors to be used as in other attempts, the type it-

self has to have approvaï of the Secretary of State, the

Office of the Secretary of State. They are the newly con-

? '? . '-n'-e ' , G E N E lt A L A S S E 51 B L Y, z 7'. ' & 5-w ( ;). . .) . t , 1 1 s .1 . a v E! o s' 1 u t - j :4 o 1 s. jpx =' * c o >' a c e Iv p. s c N T A 'r 1 v t: s. . H otl Q;

:6 .

stituted sody. ''

Hon . w . Robert Blai.r : ''qnae gentleman from coixc, htr . Juckett . ''

Robert s . auckett : ''Mr. speauer, wilz the sponsor ylel..cp to a

1 f ue'stions?ncoup e o q

Hon. Robert Blair: ''He indieates he will-''

Robert S. Juckett: ''Who will enforce this Act.''

Howard W. Carroll: ''Mr. Juckett, I'm not 'sure that I'p follow-

ing the exact cause of your question.n

Robert S. Juckett: .'Well, my understanding is that after 1973,

we're going to have to... we're going to have to ah.. have

installed on bicycles reflectors. Who will be responsible '

for enforcing havinq reflectors on the bicycles?''

Howard W. Carroll: ''The local Police-' This is under 'Thej 'vehicle code'. 1* don't think that it will be any different

than any other sectioni

'

i Robert S. Juckett: '11... I can't hear you-''I .

Howard W. Carroll: '''The Vehicle Code' would make local

Police epforcement basically.''

Robert s. Juckett: nMy understanding is that if weire suppose

to have lights on bicycles, we're suppose to have horns or

bells on bicycles, we're suppose to have rear deflectors on

bicycles. Could you'tell if these Laws are now being en-

forced?''

Howard W. Carroll: ''Mr. Juckett, the ah.. reason for using

these type of reflectors or using refleqtors, lights only

work, for example, if they have reserved functioning or if

a bike is moving so that the generator is functioning . 'lfhes a

-----W ''',.l . J z,. t-- . ? J, '->. . ' G E N E lt A L A S S E M 13 L Yk$-

. . 't 'I l .k . t. : 1 svla.fc os i uu1 .' o's$. f - .. ) ' '1,:,6 l ' Housa o rz nEen sscwl'rl'rl vEs's7 't, .

' p.+. ..c.7, . s

87

. are a type of reflectors that would able to be seen by pass

ing mbtorists in any diraction. As to Bnforeement, I don't

know what your local Police are doing-'' ,

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''One more. For what purpose does the

entlemen from Cook, Fœ . Miller, rise?'' 't.l

Peter J. Miller : ''We1l I want to, Mr . Speaker, inform Mr .

Juckett that thd auto Schwinn Company which is in may Dis-

triet, a11 of their bicycles that their manufacturing have '

refleetor on them. They even have them on the pedals now.

So, ah.. ah.. I think that all of the manufacturers recog-

mize koday that it is a requirement by the National ah..

Bicycle Manufacturers. And they have them on there. So,

of course, I'm for the Law. I believe that we should have

them, Mr. Speaker. But, they are... the Manufacturers now

are required to place them on every bicycle manufactured.''

' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Ccok Mr. Juckett-''

Robert S. Juckett: ''Well, Mr. Speaker, I was just wondering

and the next question as tö when the Bill will be intro-

duced and who will introduce it to require turn signals on

bicyclesa''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Carroll.''

Howard W. Carroll: ''I understand from one of my experts that

they have to be 4 feet apart. So, I don't think that it

could be on a bike.'' '

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there further discussion? The ques

tion is. 'shall House Bill 3626 passa'. A1l those in favor

will vote ' aye ' and 'tche opposed ' n'b ' . Have all voted who '#

'- - -- - ''- '- - - - -bsl3. ,,,.o fy $.

?,/ b. . z '--- rà ., G E N E It A L A S S E M 1$ L Y, 16: ). y , .kz o,r jssjojojs$1 f 'k ' t . sv A.lJ ;! ... '.* ' . 'î ' o' ' Hotlsc os R Eerv cstcN'rl-rl v l1s'N ' . ' 0.N .J 4 f ,, j&KN

8s.

wished? The Clerk will take the rècord. On this question,

there are l28 'Ayes', and no 'Nays', and this Bill having

received the Copstitutional majority is hereby declaredd The' gentleman from Cook Mr. Hyde.''Passe . ,

Henry J. Hyde: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Hous .

I would have ah.. an important announcement to make. The

MelKbers are anxious to know when we will adjourn this Eveni g.

Ah.. it is t.he plan to work thrcugh until 8:30 P.M. So,

if you wish to order out dinner ah.. early, do so. But,

if you wish to wait and have a meal that you'll enjoy after

8:3.0, do that. But, we will adjourn around 8:30 as of the '

present plan. Thank you.''

Hon . :7 . Robert Blair: '' 3745 . ''

Fredric B. Selcke: 'nHouse Bill 3745, a bill for an Act to

amend 'The Purchasing Act'. Third reading of the Bil1.''

Hon. W. Rober't Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Regner.''

David J. Regner: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, Houpe Bill 3745 ah.. would include the Junior Colleg

Boards under the 'Joint Purchasing Act' of the State of

Illinois. Now, there is a favorable vote. I've talked

to many of the Members of the Junior College Boards and the

are in favor of the option that they can participate in

joint purchasing, if they wish.u'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Further discussion? The question is,

'shall this Bill pass?'. A1l thcse in favor will vote 'aye',

and the opposed 'no'. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Carroll.''

Howard W. Carroll: ''Mr. Speaker, ah.. find a problem with

t1 z,, J J? ( -''n c G E N E It A 1- A S S E M 8 t- Y:, y tt-.. . ; , à ,$ a y$ i.J f ;)) V ,1 s 'r A 'r ': o p' I u u $ h1 o ' s'yk ' Lty ..?. '- . c ra a Iu s Ec ru v >. v 1 w t.: s.xr .. . H ou sE o rz r4.. 4t ( , hwx.''

89.

the Amendment- . Anlendment No. It says 'delete lines...

ah..'on page line 12 by deleting', and it. deletes parks

of three lines-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright now, I'm looking at the en-

rolled engrossed Bill. So, the Amendment is already in the

Bill that we're voting on. What ah.. What ah..''

Howard W. Carroll:' ''On the Amendment that we have marked

Amendment No. 1, it says ''amend House Bill 3745 on page 1,

line 12 by deleting the following:'. And it goes on to

recite a11 of the underlines of l2, 13 and the beginning of

14 up to and including the comma.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright, the enrolled 'engrossed Bill

is ah.. alrightz So, any further discussion? Have all

voted who wished? The clerk kill take the record. On this

question, there are l34 'Ayes' and no 'Nays' and thet #' .

Bill having received tie constituional majority il hereby

declared passed. 4136.,'

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4136,'An Act relating to emplo -

ment of illegal aliens'. Third reading of the Bill.''

Hon. Rabert Blair: 'tThe gentleman from Cook. Mr. Sevcik.''

Joseph G. sevcik: ''AK.. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, House Bill 4136 reflects the recommendation of

the Illinois Investigating Legislative Commissione follow-

ing an intensive investigation recently conducted by that

Agency.. This Bill aimed to probect Mexican-Americans.

In fact, there was a Mexican-American Organization in Cook

County, who at firsts protested the'' fact that illegal alien.

I ....I:I33-L.ïï z

, ? , 5 ,' -.z. k . G E N E R A L A S S E 51 B L YJ t)- -.. i,)' s j ' fkk a: l . sv a.r c o e. ' uu' ,u n . sl

.jx. t. , . . h ' : . j.j o u s rc o s r4 I:e 14 c s c t4 'r a 7 ' I v c sTr ' t-pxeVl:

. 90.

were taking their jobs. It has been established that about

15,000 jobs a year are occupied by illegai aliens and they

are taking approximately abozt $75,000,000 dollars out of

the Stàte of Illinois without paying State Income Tax.

know that a letter was circulated here by Employers saying

that this Bill was unconstitutional. We have checked with

th; Attorney General and he tells us tiat this Bill is

constitufionàl and the United states immigration and natura i-

zation Service has also told us that this is the kind of

Bill that you like to see enacted in Law. I ask for your

fatorable support.'' -

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? The questionai/: 'shall

this Bill pass?'. A1l those favor will vote 'aye', and

the oppcsed 'nol. Have a11 voted who wished? The Clerk

will take the record. The gentleman from Livingston, Mr.

i ker ''Huns c .

Carl T. Hunsicker: ''l'd like to explain my vote. if I 'may.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Proceed, Sir.''

Carl T. Hunsicker: ''I'm voting against this Bill. I don't

think that the Employer should be responsible. How does

he know whether a person is a alien or whether he isn ' t' y

an alien? And if he' doesn ' t have any papers , how long does

jj 'take him to get t em when he comcs . You got to have

proof , because the Employer doesn ' t know. He can lie and

say that he is an American Citizen even though he isn ' t .

. I'm going to vote on this Bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''On this question, there are 101 'Ayes'

'- '--V .. J ' t,,qd % .ir . .... ?<'; t.. .q ''> r; . G E N E It A L A S S E M B L Yfj .. r.)(..; , sxaxc o,- Iuj-,tqo,sr.z $x ..' ,$ ' q%V' .'T. ' ' * s o u sc o y' a c e Ia f: sc wl 'ra w I u cs%q #.' . Wz.! . , +h

91

and 1 'Nayf, and this Bil1.. Alright, ah.. the gentleman

from Cook, Mr. Merlo.''%

'

John Merlo: ''Mr. Speaker, how am I recorded?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''How's lie recorded?''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''The gentleman ah. . is recorded as voting

'aye' ''

John Merlo: ''Would you please change that to 'present', pleas ?''

Hon. W. Robert Blai'r: ''Change it to 'present'. On this ques-

tion, there are lO0 'Ayes', and 2 'Nays', and this Bill

having received the Constitutiona'l majority is hereby de-

clared passed. 4279.''

Fredric B. Selcke: 1'42 what? House Bill 4279, a bill for an

Act to amend the 'Revenue Act'. Third reading of the Bill .'

Hon. W. Robert BlRir: ''The gentleman from Sangamon, Mr. Jones ''

J. David Jones: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, 4279 is a repeat of our present homestead act in a

basic part of It's simply filed as a vehicle that we

might need if .we are... in the final ruling by the Supreme

Court that there is some remedial'action should be taken on

this legislation. As you know , the Supreme Court ruled

that the 1971 assessments were not allowdble beeause it was

before the new Constitution went into effect on July 1. Or

hold it... the final ruling of the Ccurt will allow the

'Homestead Act' to continue. Ah.. but, this was put in

as a vehicle in case we needed to do something about it

when the Court ruling does come out, which I will suspect

to be within the next ah . . f ew weeks or bef ore we a'djourn

q (--x; h l l . .vx 'z/ h . -r;x % . G E N E R A L A S S E 51 B L Y;t . . .,, . ) . k,. $1: it L;t ' svax.s os Iuulrqors$ f 1 v ,,. . %g/ =' ' * ow ss o g au pa cstcmv A-r l,îz u s$. . w #4. %.;x, . $ . N

'

92

here , at least . I move that we pass this on to the

Senate and have this Bil1 alive in case some remedial actio

is needed to be taken and it could be done by the Revenue

Committee as a whole or in any way it is needed to be done -'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? The question is, 'shall

this Bill pass?'. All those in favor will vote 'aye', and

the opposed lno'. Have all voted who wished? The Clerk

will take the record . On'this question, there are 139 'Aye %

and no 'Nays', and this Bill having received the Constitu-

tional majority is hereby declared passed. 4296.''

Eredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4296, a bill for an Act to

amend 'The Pension Code'. Third reading of the Bil1.f'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook Fœ . Diprima.''

Lawrence Diprima: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, House Bill 4296 ah.. puts the Downstate police on

parity with the City Pdlice. What it does upon the death

of a Policeman who retixes from Service with at least 20

.years of creditable service' whether his death cccurs beforev,-

or after he has attalned age 50 or before or after his appl'-

cation for retirement on pension . The pension in which

the deceased would have been entitled had he lived and

applied for pension shall be paid to his dependents as pro-

vided upon death of a pensioneer. I would appreciate a

favorable vote-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? The question is, 'shall

this Bill pass?'. Al1 those in favor will vote 'aye', and

the opposed 'no'. Have a1l voted whb wished? The Clerk

.x ï '' ! :4 l'ï t ,a. ? 3 =-: % G E N E It A L A S S E M 1$ L Y; i? U'' ' l' ; f -;1..* '

a/kj' . s'r A 7. c i:h r 1 t. u I eq o I s$.- 1-./ .n ' .

' . H oty s

'c o s a c e 4x s sc rq .r A. w 1 w cs. 4, 4 . k a.x

93.

will take the record. On this question, thero are 'Aye ',

and no 'Nays', and this Bill having received the Constitu- ''

tional majoriiy is hereby declared passed. With leave ofi11 o to the Bills that are on considera-'the House

, we w g

tion postponed, bring them back to the order of Third

Reading for purposes of consideration. Okay. 4270. It's

been read a third time already. The gentleman from Wayne,

Blades.''

Ben Blades: '.Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

lïouse, House Bill 4270 amends 'The Municipal çode'. Granti g

the municipalities the power of eminent domain when found

necessary in the public interest by the Illinois Commerce

Commission to acquire properties to transmit power frot

one power company to the other. I want to point out here

that the... under the Commerce Commission, they only have

exerci'se of authority of their power in obtaining a right-

oh-w'ay or power- .. or ah.. properties outside of the muni-

cipalities. They do not have the authority to set the rate .

small municipalities now find needs in the peak periods and

the emergencies to have additional power for these emergen-

cies and it is necessary to run a power line to the power

company's line for this power. After khey run into dif-

ficulty in obtaining right- of-way they need the same autho ity

that the major power companies have which the authority

of eminent domain. The Munieipalities and the Electric

co-ops support this Bill. I would appreciate your support.'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. J- Wol .'.

a ktN' g rza?' ;' . 3. ( '->'''sy G E N E It A L A S S E 51 B L Yjy J;, - r. . j g y(' f./o,. .fJ 6 s'r-'re oe 't-u'No'ssq . ;J.4 / D. > ix j4 u s (r a .r a a. t w c s. . 1.1 o tl t7 E o F 'R E:. .', v.%+

94 .

Jacob John Wolf : ''Will the Sponsor yield to a ques tion? ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates he will-''

Jacob John Wolf: understând this Bill, gives the ah..

unicipal own'ed utilities condemnation power . Does anotherm

type of utility company have that power now? What do they

have to doa''

Ben C.' Blades : ''The major utility companies do have thatauthority nov. That is correct . And this would give it

to the municipalities to obtain a righte f-way-''

Jacob John Wolf: '.Is this... Is this under the Commeree Com-

miesion? I think the other utility eompanies like the Gas .. #

company, the Electric Company, don't they have to do throug

the Department of Commerce or something for that first?''

Ben C. Blades: nTha't is correct. And this places it in accor

with the procedure that they go through.''

Jacob John Wolf: ''so, there would be no difference at a1l

between a public utilitv companv and a private utility com-

PYRY? 'i

Ben C. Blades: ''In an acquiring a righte f-way..... In an acquir-

ing a righte à-way outside the City limits.''

Jacob John Wolf: ''I mean as far as condemnation proceedings.

Tt will be exactly the same for a public utility as a pri-

vate utility. Is that right?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Palmer.''

Romie J. Palmer: the sponsor will yield for a question.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yeah.. He indicates he will-n

Romie J. Palmeru ''Doesn't the ah.. Doesn't the municipality

f 'j . -'w A . () E N lï j t A t. A s s E M B L Y/ z y.:- . 'i . iKjyz xj ; 1 . ' l j :' : , . ' s 'r n. 'r c o Fr i u u l el o t s'o *2 . . *z . - . . c s..r . l-lotatitt o F REPG LQSENTAYIV. .,., :.q:;,. . . .s.

95.

have the right now to acquire a rightef '-way or land with-

out the permission of the Illinois Ccnmlcrce colnmissâon? ''

'' he entleman' from Wayne Mr.' Blades ''Hon. w. Robert Blair: T g , .

Ben C. Blades: ''No. No, they do not have the authority of

eminent domain at the present time, for acquiring a right-

of-way for power. They do have t%e authority of eminent' f-way for a sewer system or fordomain to acquire a right-o

' a water system, but not for the transmission of power.''

i lmer: ''How does the ah.. kow does this affectRom e J. Pa

home rule municipalities? Or would it... would ita''

Ben C. Blades: ''All the same.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Knox, Lœ . McMaster.'

A. T. McMaster: ''Will the Sponsor yield to a questionxt

Hon. W. Robe'rt Blair: ''He indicates he will.''

A. T. McMaster: ''AK.. Mr. Blades, ah.. how many ah.. aetual

ah.. private power companies does this affect?''

Ben C. Blades: ''I didn't get your question.''

A. T. McMaster: ''AN.. how many power companies, private power

companies, munieipal companies does this affecta''

Ben C. Blades: I don't have any idea of how many munici-

palities there are in the 'State of Illinois who have their

own power system. That would be'the ones that were affecte .''

A. McMaster: ''Ah.. another question, Mr. Blades. Would

they not right now have the ah.. right to go out and nego-

tiate for ah.. sight for poles?''

Ben c. Blades: ''Yes, that'is correct, but the negotiations

have f ogged out . ''

Nà .J . * ' ê t.s% a J zf t$ . 1 r 'M 'r; . G E N E lt A L A S S E M B L Yr / ( - a : . ,t-. y ,t# ' t, , svaxc or- I uuIso'sk %b/ .=S, ' 'xousc o s rzservusc-vlv ,v cs

'f? t. :.... . ,ke'%

96

McMaster: ''2n how many cases? In one specific ease?''

Ben C. Blades: ''Well, couldn't answer that. I don't

know.''

A. McMaster: ''Wel1, evidently there must be some reason

ah.. thrust behind t1Re.Bill, Mr. Blades. You must have a

case ah.. a problem with evidently one casew''

Ben c. Blades: ''That correct. We have a case in point.''

A. McMaster: ''And the ne/otiations have broken down on

this one case?''

Ben c. Blades: ''Yes, Sir.'.

McMaster: ''Does this ah.. give them the right to ah..

perhaps go out and purchase land for ah.. let's say a land-

fi11?''

Ben Blades: ''No, only for the transmission of powe'r.''

A. McMaster: ''Electrical power?''

Ben Blades: ''Right.

A. T. McMaster: ''And also for acquisition cf sites for ah.

power stations.''v.-'

Ben Blades: nIn relation to a power station for their

transmission of power.''

A. T. McMaster: ''With no regulation at a1l as far as size of

that site concerned.''

Ben C. Blades: ''Regulation for what?''

A. T. McMaster: 'Ws far as the size of khat site is concerned

For instance, it could be a quarter of an acre or it could

be l6O acres? ''

Ben C . Blades : ''AIA . . it would only bé reasonable wha': the

.KCl1 A ê 'N!'N ' .;.0. . .' e? . ). ( '7> - ' G E N E 11. A L A S S E 51 11 L 5/

j. t .. . . x. '? ,l ' h. F x ,. Iz' t'. - . s 'r A 'r e o Er l u. u ' N o . sh . &(,/ . ' - 1, o k; s c o e a c r. 1: es c sj v A v I u ssd. ..Wb

97.

court system would allow, Representative McMaster, and

what the Illinois Commerce Commission would permit. That's

why we're putting in under the Commerce CoMnission-''

A. T. McMaster: ''But, there is no limitation on the...''

Ben C. Blades: ''No. No, Sir.''

A. MeMaster: ''Mr. Speaker, I would like to speak against

that Bi11.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Proceed.''

A. T. McMaster: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemengof the

House, I spoke against this Bill last week and I don't

bel.ieve that there has been any changes made whatsoever -

in the Bill. And I would still urge opposition to the Bill ''

bert Blair: ''The genkleman.from Livingston, Mr.Hon. W. Ro

Hunsieker.''

Carl T. Hunsicker: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, I also spoke against this Bill last week and I

don't think that there has been'any changes made. know

I that the Illinois Agricultural Association is opposed toxe '

this legislation. Ah-.. seems like the farmers are being

crowded upon a1l afzay along the line. I understand that

this line, and if I'm wrong, I would like to be corrected,

is mainly for the transmission of power from the Cities

out to the lines so that they can' have electricity at times

when they can't manufacture enough of their own. Now, I'm

sympathetic to this cause, as far as that goes. But, after

all, somebody gets crowd upon. I wonder if the situation

were reversed and we had a dry skmcer and the grass is all

?:.,.h -;-.n4% G E N E It A L A S S E :1 11 L Y: ,./

'

1 *' ' ''' 9, . 1) 1 .).'. ; ' s-ra.r e: o e. 1 uu, p4 o 1 s4 ' . r' -'y? . b.g .-:4 s.z . ' sj ra o s c o p. ya c j.a c s t: sl v g v I w î: sN,. ' ' ' .. .t ,..( . %..%

9;.

burned up out in the Country whether this honorable body

would be in the mood-to pass legislation allowing the far-

mer elninent domain to come in and herd his cows on some-

bodys front lawn. This is the other side of the ccin.

think that this Bill ought to be defeated.''

Hon. W. Robekt Blair: ''The :entleman from Randolph, Mr.

Hollowaym''

James D. Holloway: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

Housep I'm gonna do my best here in just a minute or twoto try to straighten out what is really a simple Bill has

been made complicated. This Bill only affects Municipal .

Power Companies. No such thing as private power companies

or ah.. other terms that havb been mentioned here, Municipa

Power Companies. The City of Springfield is a m'unicipal

corporation that generates and distributes its own elec-

tricty. The lights in this' Chamber come from a Municipal

Power Plant. Now, these Municipal Power Plants are asking,' well, they can now, but they are asking for the right of

xe

eminent domain to build a transmission line, for instance

from Springfield to another municipal over here to Jackson-

ville. Now, before they can do that. they must come before

the Illinois Co'mmerce Commission, do the same as a public

utility, the same as a rural electric co-operative. They

must prove that it is in the public interest. They must

prove that they can't get power in here any other way. The

must prove that they eanit genera O enough for themselves.

And then, if the Conmlerce Commis si.orl deems tlAat it is in

-- - -- * :',./ ? * t ( '--s-'e . G E N E R A L A S S E 51 1) L Ytrx .7 . 't .I ç. s. f .,t > ) svavçc o ., I uuI 'qo ,s(' u?

.'2y ' uousc oe T'uerzcscslv--rdwus$t'. x, .,. ., ..,r.

99

the public interest, they bestow upon them the same rights

as they would any other public utility. This is no grab.

' This is no ah . . play for business . As you a1l know, m ur

having blackouts all over the Country today, a shortage

of power in the summer time . And as a matter of necessity,

it is getting to the point where every power supplier re-

ardless of what label he 'may wear, municipal, co-operative,tJ

rural electric, R.E.A., public utility, must have the right

to tie with somebody so that they can be picked up in the

case of a power shortage or a tofal plant failure. That's

a1l that this Bill does. Representative Blades is taking

every Amendment that everybody has asked him to take.

felt and ah.. ah.. I.m sure he did that this Bill was ah..

satisfied in every respeet. Personally, can see no oppo-

sition to it. It makes little difference to me, but I do

want..u I did want to explain it so that there is no mis-

understanding. And I think that is a good Bill-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Madison, Mr. Calvo.'M

Horace L. Calvo: ''Mr. Speaker, I would like to move ike prev-

vious question, think we've discussed this long enough.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''All thcse in favor say 'aye' the#

'

opposed 'no' the 'ayes' have it and the Question has been# #

moved. The gentleman from Wayne, Mr. Blades, to close.''

Ben C. Blades: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,

I would poink out one point and I want understood, perfectl

clear that in the placing of this under the Commerce Commis-

sion, Lhat was not so that they might regulate the rates

. .> '? . -> 'r.. G E N E It A L A S S E M 8 L Y% L. ' *' . :1( . ' 2 ' ! 9 ' . ., ) s'r a 'ru o rz 1 uu t N o tsk h ; . .4 t.$ * T 0 Q ' * s r: c es: E s c: N 3. A'r I u Es..e . H Gt.l SE o% 3, (y . .s+

lO0

of the bmunicipalities. The limited power of the Commerce

Coanission will only apply in the process of acquiring landc

' Y' f-way or for an easement for khe pLv'er l'ine.for the right-

Another point that I would like to point out is that the '

Federal Power Commission ncw requests interlocking of

various systems when new ones are constructed. And I..

solicit your support.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. The question 'shall

this Bill pass?'. All those in favok will vote 'aye' and.

#

the 6pposed 'no'. The ah.. gentfeman from Lawrence, Mr.

Cunningham.n

Roseoe.D. Cunningham: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House,

not all of khe ideas of my colleague, Ben Blades, are good,

but this is an excellent one that he has here. We have

many fine eommunities in southern Illinois that own their

own power plants. And these individuals are resisting the

encroachment of large corporations that swallow up the power

generating business. They should be commended in theirM

commendable effort. I'm proud to cast a green light. And

if your not casting a green light, your wrcng and I urge

you to switch your green light on, and turn on the light

of progress in Southern Illinois- Please vote 'green'.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Sangamon, Mr.

Londrigan.''

James Londrigan: 1'Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, I too, rise ko support this Bkll. Representativ

Holloway gave an excellent presentaLion of the Bill and

'k L? 4->*% G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y? 2.- . -t . , jj? f >. ' IJ , s'rw'r'u os 'uul-olswju j .; nt ê . '..J . . H ou s E: o e n lz p,4 cs c?.1 T AY l v es. ft , . %$..#'

. ycy.

will not duplicate all of his arguments. I will say, throu h,

that'springfield is a municipality that is in favor of this

new tool in order to lower and keep the rates economical.

This tcol of eminent domain will permit them to keep one

of the lcwest electric rates in the Ccuntry here in our

municipality. And I ask you to support it.''

Hon. Robert Blalr: ''The gentleman from Lake, Mr. Pierce.''

Daniel M. Pieree: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, thls Bill is reasonable. We now give private

companies the right to condemn the Commerce Commission

approval outside the City limitp. And %qe do not add to the

municipality the public body. Inotherwords, if this Bill

doesn't pass, we've granted something to private utilities

that we deny public utilities ko publicly owned companies

municipally owned çompaniqs. This is a good Bill and r

support it.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Have a1l voted whc wished? The gentle

man frop Maeon Mr. Borchers.''

Webber Borchers: ''Mr. Speaker and Fellcw Members cf the House,

I certainly oppose this Bill for the simple reason that the

lines cut right across fields, disregard al1 rights of

farmers and land owners. They have the middle three or

four pakches of ah.. the weeas khat are a menaee to th

rest of the crops wherd ever they may be. do think that.-..

We have. ample road networks. I see no reason why these

power lines can't go down a regular road instead of cutting

across helter-skelter across a man's land and fields. Ab..

'----'VV W& '''% J z.. -' q t ---' 5 G E N E R A L, A S S E 51 1) L Y; .7 t.. :: ' . s - è .t 7 j- 91 ê . s'r a 'r iz o rz I uu t r4 o 1 sz k.$ . k / 'r7 ' ' v ; v c ss. m! H otl s c o r' r? cer' Izstx :4 'r A.. .'.. q ï s..*

102.

it's just simply another step in the direction of Governmen'control of the individual land owner. And I urge that we

do not pass such Bill not withstanding what the corpora=

tions may or'may not do . It's inconceivable tc me that a

town is able to go maybe 20 or 30 miles into another Townshi

another County and take a man's land away from him without.% t amount or a limit to what it mdy be, not countingany se

the miles of lines through the fields. And I think that

' this should be defeated.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Take the record. The gentleman from

ihampaign, Mr. Hirschfeld.'' '

John C. Hirschfeld: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, I'm explaining my vote. think that anyone who

has an Airport id their District should pay a little more

attention to this Bill because ah.. if they have the power

to exercise eminent domain, they could do the same thing

that was done in the area of Champaign-urbana at the. Uni-

versity of Illinois Airport where they complied with thew-r '

Federal Aviation Regulations and they have condemned the

land within a 5% differential on your flight path. And

that's fine for Commercial Airline:-pilots, it's gcing

to create unsafe conditions for anybody who has pilot train-

ing such as most of these Airporis are doing ncw to sustain

themselves. And I would suggest alkhough the Speaker has

taken a role that, if possible. those who have voted 'aye'

who have an Airport their District, had better change

it to 'nay', or their going to have Airport Authorities in

. -7' ' ', 'v. ) . e.' ?L..(j -''- 't' G E N E It A L A S S E $1 11 L Y' j' t. .( - ç. ) . .

! r s'rnviu o s ' uul- o1sh. . z .'L .h'.4$ z ' H t:h ta s tl o P' 1: t7 P r? E s f! e4 'r Jt T 1 N/ b: S..: , .? , . . ,...zJ.

103.

serious, serious trouble-''

I.Ion. W. Robert Blair: ''On this question, theke are 'Ayes',

and 22 'Nays', pnd this Bill having received the Constitu-

tional majorlty is hereby declared passed. The gentleman

from Macon, Mr. Alsup-''

John W. Alsup: '''present' ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alsup.. 'present'.' On the order of

postponed copside/ation appears House Bill 3614, the gentle-

man from Lake, Mr. Murphy, asked leave to have brought back

to the order of Third Reading for purposes of ah.. consider

ation. The Bill has been read a third time. The gentleman '

from Lake, Mr. Murphy-n

W. J. Murphy: ''Mr. speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, House Bill 3614 was up the other day when there were

quite a few Members absent and I was a few short votes from

passing. This is one that iq a permissive Bill and re-

places the three cents to County Laws. But this cpnts is

to be uqed for 1aw enforcement, law enforcement only. Now,

many of our Sheriff's Departments all over the State of

Illinois last year, their appropriations was cut. They had

to curtail their services to the people and we did not have

the law enforcement that is needed today. And this is a

Bill that I have introduced at tée çequest of the Sheriff's

Association in the State of Illinois. AIR.. it will serve

a good purpose ah.. beeause we have a greater need for law

enforcement in this State than we've ever had before. And

I solicit your support on this Bi11.''

iJ6&' ' 'N' X? . -7-- Y N G E N E It A L A S S E 51 B L Y/ 7

. -. 5 .. j' 7i .):. ? . svwa.tc os tuujxolsç- :i. .; t,1..* !.;e.2 .=. . * y4 tau s c o p' n E! ea t.: sur rq 'r A-r 1 v c s' .f?; j>x

104.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Dupage, Mr. Hudson.''

George Hudson: ''Will the 6ponsor yield for a question?''

Hon. w. Robert Blair: ''He indicates he wil1.''

George Hudson: ''Is there a ah.. referendum involved in this?''

J. Murphy: ''We11, this is up to the County Boards. The'

County Boards will pass on it they decide to accept it.

It is permissivê. They do not have to take it, but for the

Counties, the large Counties like Lake Ccunty that need it,

why it is up to the County Board to adopt it.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Further discussion? Would the gentle-

man care to close?''

W. J. Murphy: ''No. I would solicit your support, please.'l

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The question is, 'shall House Bill

3614 pass?'. All those in favor will vote 'aye', and the

$ ' ave all'voted who wished? The gentlem'anopposed no . :1

from Lake, Mr. Murphy.''

W. J. Murphy: ''Say fellas... Do at least as good as you did

the othyr day on it. Will ya?''Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Have a11 voted who wished? The Clerk

will take the record. Alright.. On this question, there ar

75 'Ayes', and 32 'Nays', and this Bill fails. 3788, 3789.

The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Randolph, asked those to be

brought back to the order of Third Reading into considerati n

postponed into Third Reading with leave of the House. They've

been read a ah.. third time. Does the gentleman desire to

have both of them considered at same time? Does lle hav

' leave to have that. Alright.. Proê'eed on 37*8 and 3789.1'

& ' C '-% i / 'n% J : ., ? ) , -. . k >. G E N E jl A L A s s E M B L Y, j ;..j . . , . ;... .1 ç- ) . J .ïk . * ' s3' A 3* ko o F' 1 L.Ll :4 *3 617'j . ( .z n.. .. .#. H C1 tl 6; C C$ FJ fl LP F? E1;t: F1 5 A T I V C;SN. mt L. s xw1. u,; . $

1O5

Paul J. Randolph: ''Mr. Speaker'and Members of the House, Hous

Bill 3788 amends 'The Chicago Municipal Code' and House Bi1 .

. 3789 amends 'T1Re Hotel Operaiors Occupational Tax' by spe-

cifically authorizing a Hctel Operator to state this Tax '

as a separate charge and pass it on to his customers. Hous

Bill 3788 amends the provision of the 'Munieipal Code' whic

authorized the municipalities of a population over 500,000

to levy a 1 percbnt Hotel Tax by specifically authorizing

a Hotel Operator to set out that Tax as a separate charge

in combination with the state Tax'and to pass on that Tax

to his customers. These Bills are similar in purpose to

House Bill 2176.and House Bill 2177 passed by the Legisla-

ture last year which codified a Retailer's right to pass on

amount equal to the munieipalities and counties Retailer's

Occupational and Service Tax to its customers. Theye Bill

have the approval of the Department of Revenue. These Bill

do not impose or afford any new rights or privileges to Hot l

Operators. These Hotel Tax Amendments give Hotel Operators

the same type of clarification rights and 'duties as the

Amendments to the Municipal Retailer's Occupational Tax

gave to the Merchants. They are. . They set force in the

Hotel and Tax Act the procedures which have long been reeog

nized practice in this State. And I urge your approval of

these two measures.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? The gentleman from Cook,

Mr- William Walsh.''

William D. Walsh: ''Well, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

, ,% . ) /,, .r .) . -> % G E N E 11 A L A S S E 51 13 L Y- ;p) (r:. - : . . '4 M ) ' e t J v'a v c (a rr l uu 1 p4 o 1 sty ? ;t. - .j: ... z L . tlWir . Bo kl s c (:> F IR e: 1*1: IJ str N T 8 T 1 %' E: t:I ., .2..( ja

lO6

the House, I can't see where this Bill is one bit better

than it was when we defeated it a yzeek or two ago. This. percent that the gentleman speaks of is a levy that the

City of Chicago only has. It permits the City to levy

percent tax for the specific purpose of tourism . The

chief beneficiaries tourism spending by the City of Chicago

are the Hotels and Motels in Chicago. Now, if they pass

this l percent on, theg may or may not, the Hotels and Mote s

are not paying it. Your constituents are paying it. What

we, in effect, are doing is giving' the Hotels and Motels

an additional l percent because. as you know, eaeh and ever

one of them will do it. Now, at the present time, there is

no prohibition against them using a stamp and saying that

l percent of their Hotel Bill goes to the City of Chicago

for the purpose of tourism . And I submit to you that if

their is a tax shown that that tax is going to be shown and

people are going to feel that it's a state Tax. I wonder

how many people in the State of Illinois realize that 1...''

.

percent of the 5 percent Sales Tax charged goes to munici-

palities. I suggest to you that this is still a bad Bill

and that we ought to vote 'no'.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman from Cook. Mr. Maragos.''

Samuel C. Maragos: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, I

rise in support of these Bills, because first of all, it is

optional whether any municipality desires to have this taxJ>placed on it and its' constituents and its? ah.. operators

in its' various particular localities. More importantly,

A)Z' : '?2 er ''- h. f ' '''>> -r G E N E I l A L A S S f' M B L Y, j it. J . t , 't ,( 4 ç ).x . jt i t s'ra'ru o e ! u u 1 h1 o I slk . 7:. J =: 8 . yç o u su o s :4 ce s tcs js sl x. gj v. , v cs' .. ..v; 7.c;;/. ..e

. 107.

the tax that will be paid here will not be paid primarily

by our constituents, but rather by khe transients wbo go

and use these faeilities who are travelers. And therefore,

many of the local taxing bcdies will benefit further by

this in that, all of the transients who come in and use the

facilities and use the Police and use all bf the other

serviees that are neeessary to conduct and protect the slee -

ing public and the Hotel uiing public, they will be service

and maybe our schools in those areas who need it very badly.

I think that we should support this Bill and make it unifot%

what we can do with the Retailer's Oceupational Tax now.

so, I ask for your support for this fine legislationv''

Hon. w. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman from McLeane Mr. Hall.''

Harber H. Hal1: ''Mr. speakor, z also rise to support Vhis Bi1

and point out as I look ovgr a Bill thak I have before me

f rom the Nicholas Hokel that we ' re al1 f amiliar with .

k;and this was furnished to me by my colleague sitting in ae' k

of me. xAnd, i won't enumefate a1l of the charges on it

for obvious reasons, but it does ah... refect the Tax. And

the Tax becomes an important part ah.. of our ah.. ànything

that we buy these days. And I think that it is very appro-

priate that all of us who use services or buy goods ah..

no would part of the price that we are paying is tax. I

think it's a good Bi1lJ I think it brings the Tax on Hotel

and Motels in line in the requirements whether it can be

passed on and can be shown or not with other ah.. services

and good that are tax'ed-''

- - - - - U,+ .4- ' - -'' c; E N E lt h L. A s s E M 11 L Y

f ..j) ..? t rk .7f ' . ,j 1: j )' x .t z'yly ' s 4. hT i.: o p' ! u L. 1 ,4 o t sT ' *:./,

-'t ' yfotp sc o s r. seacs c ,g vlv 1 w e: sk. a .

108

Hen . W . Rlbert Blair : '' The gentl' leman f rom Cook , Mr . Meyer . 'f

J. Theodore Meyer: ''Mr. Speaker, rise opposition to this

Bill. Presently the Hotel-hlotel Operator in the City of

Chicago absorbs the eost of this Tax. If this Bill is

PZSSOZ, it Will be listed, On let's say a twenty dollar bil e

Hotel Bill. The Bill will show twenty dollars and twenty

cents. And, Mr. speaker, I don't believe that anybody want

to increase taxes this Seàsion of the Legislature.n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further discussion? The gentleman

from Cook, Mr. Randolph, to close-''

Paul J. Randolph: ''Mr. speaker and Members of the House, this

is not an increase in any Tax. These Bills do not afford,

impose or ford any new rights or pri+ileges to Hotel Opera-

tors. The practice of passiné on amounts represeniing the

Municipal Occupational Tax has been recognized and sanction d

by previous Legislative Amendments to the General Assembly.

It has been the proved ah.. by the Department of Revenue

rulings namely using tax rule 4 . 5. and also, the Courtsf-

have also upheld this pass on. The conification of these

long standing practice will assist and it has another and

more consistent administration of the Hotel Tax. Act. is

only right that the Illinois Statutes that refleet or has

in affect been the Law for years. To do otherwise would de

feat a businessman's right to contract with his customer

and ah.. I urge a favorable vote on this measure-''

b t Blair : ''Alright . . The' question is ' shall thesHon . W . Ro er ,

two Bills pass?'. A1.1 those in fakor will vote 'aye'e and

q :a ? , f/:,' 4 '' .h. ? . . '>. .:v G E N E 11 A L A S S E M B L Y' i' ti A ' q . f .( : î ) s '

$; >(y ; s'r a 'r c o Ir 1 t.u k r4 o l sh: tak .> ,'=: y. '

' s o u s c o rr 12 E 1, n c t; u N 'r A. 3. 1 u r: s

f? <. in . s e

1O9

the opposed 'no'. The Clerk will take two Roll Calls. The

gentleman from Cook, Mr. Hyde-n '

Henry J. Hyde: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Hous.,

I'm voting 'aye' on this because I'm against hidden taxes.

And the City cf Chicago does impose this Tax . Ah.. the Hot.ls

in the City of Chicago as distinguished from outside the

. City, the Motels on the Mannheimstrip which are not within

. the City, they are doing real well. But, the Hotels in

Downtown Chicago are in serious trouble. This tax is impos d

by the City. I think that the public whether they are from

Tolçdo or from ah.. anywhere ought to know that they are .

being stuck with this Tax and it ought to be set out in fro t

of them. I'm against hidden'taxes.. I.m for the public

knowing that they. are being taxed and the amount of their

tax. And therefore, in opposition to the principal of hid-

den taxes, I am voting 'aye' for this Bill.''

.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook , Mr. Riçhard

' Walsh '' 'xA .'

Richard A. Walsh: ''Mr. Speaker, it seems that al1 of the dis-

cussion on this subject is from this side of the aisle. Ho -

' ever: I do think that we all should Vnow, especially we

Republicans, thât the Governor of .this state'indicated that

there would be no increase in taxes during this fiscal year

Now ah.., Representative Hall referred to a Hotel Bill from

the City of Springfield- There is no 1 pereent tax imposed

by the City of Springfield. This tax is imposed in the

, City of Chicago. And those Hotel Bills from the city of

-- ---7%, =. ,,h â o4 .J -N r s G E N E R A L A S S E 51 B L Yilk . ..

, ). .f t ç ?.w ,x2(,' w s 'r #. 'r 'i: o r' ' u u 1 ,.' o , sh .. , =. .kl v4 * . jq o u s u o e n E.: p Iv lJ s t: r4 T /. 'r I v c s. :1 ,.-:. ;- . , .% *

1lO

chicago' now show a 5 percent state Hotel-Motel Tax. If thi-

B5.ll becomes Law, that tax will now be 6 percent, one per-'

cent to go to the city of chicago'. It has been indicated

that the user of that Hotel-Mctel room has no idea of where

that money goes. As far as he is concerned, he is paying

the State of Illinois. And I'm with the Governor, T'm a-

gainst an increase in taxes during this fiscal year. I vot

1 no 1 11

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Have all voted who wished? The Clerk

will take the record. Alright.. the gentleman has asked

that the absentees be p olled. Proceed.''

Fredric B. selcke: ''Alsup.. Arrigc.. Barnes.. Blades.. Blu- .

thardt- Boyle.. Bradley- Brandt.. Burditt.. Caldwell/.

Capparelli.. Capuzi- ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''AK.. Capuzi.. 'aye'.''

Fredric Bt Selcke: ''Jimmy Carter.. Cbapman..''

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''Blades.. 'aye'. Chapman.. 'aye'.

Blades. 'aye'.''A

Fredric B. selcke: ''Corbett.. Cox.. Day..''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Day.. 'aye'.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Dyer.. Friedland-.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Friedland- 'lno'.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Gibbs.. Hart.. Henss.. Hölloway.. Houde..! Katz.. Klosak.. Kosinski.. Laurino.. Ed Madigan.. Mann..

McAvoy.. Mccormick.. McDermott.. McGah.. Mc..''

; Hon. w. Robert Blair: ''McGah- 'aye'-''i ,I

i Fredric B. Seleke: ''Mcl4aster.. Moore.. Rayson.. Redmond..i

vttt3 - 4 ,z ,' ) ' . ? t > -) G E N E R A L A S S E M B L 5' i t:- . . .(J 'r-J.'o, ...

Li%L .' ' STA'''U c''l 't-'-' ''o's

* k/ee - ' HOUGE o F 1: EPH ELtIiZ>IR' ATSVP:S%.. ko ., $pN

1ll

Rose.. Schisler.. Sevcik.- Simmons.. Jack Thompson . . Tips-

word.. VonBoeckman..''

Hon. W. Robert Bla:Lr: nTipsword.. 'aye'. Kosinski.. 'aye'.

Laurino.. 'aye'. Alsup.. 'aye'-''

Fredric Selcke: ''Wall. . Washburn.. Harold Washington..

Williams-. Zlatnikm-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''On this question, .there are 94 'Ayes',

and 39 'Nays', and each of these two Bills having received

the Constitutional majority are hereby declared passed.

36... 3806 through 4073 and with leave of the House,

we'll have... Those are the revisionarg Bills. We'll have

the Clerk read al1 of those ah. . to be considered at one

time and ah.. if there's not objection. Hearing none,we'l1.... The gentleman from Cook , Mr. yleGah.''

Joseph McGah: 'SAN.. Mr. Speaker, before we start this,

there's fiye House Bills that should be tabled in this firs

set. I wonder if I could have lqa/e of the House to table

JAouse Bill 3878, 4044, 4062, 4067 and 4069. I'm the princi. pal spohsor.''

'Hon. Robert Blair: ''Are there 'objections? Hearing none,those Bills will be tabled. We're going to call one more

Bill on consideration postponed before going on to the

Revisionary Bills. On the order of consideration postponed

appears House Bill 2653 which has been read a third time

and for which purpose the gentleman from Cook Representa-

kive Epton, is reeognized ; ''

Bernard E. Epton: ''This is an Amendment to bring it back to

b 't ..> z. '* , h.. . - A G E N E 11 A L A S S E M B L Yl j 1-- ' .

ç' . / - . .' Jt' : l ' ). ' s 'r /% 'r t: ta rr 1 L, L. 1 t'l o ' s$.. 1;o /, ,=' ',/ :1 o u s c o r.. Ia 1: 1* H c s t.: sl 'r A 'r 1 v r.: s''fuukrsso.

'

1l2

Second Reading for the purpose of Amendment, Mr. Speaker.''

Rep. Arthur A. Teleser: ''Does the gentleman have leave to re-'

turn House Bill 2653 from the ordèr of Third Reading to

Second Reading? Hearing no objections, Hcuse Bill 2653will be ordered back to Second Reading . And does the Clerk

have an Amendment?''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment No. Epton-..''

Bernard E. Eptcn: ''Mr. Speaker.''

Rep. Arthur Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cock Representa-

tive Epton.''

Bernard E. Epton: ''To explain this Amendment, I first, want

to preface my remarks by thanking the Speaker of the House,

the Majority Leader and Minority Leader, who spent. miny

many hours on this very important Hospital Bill. As a re-

sult of their pounding heads, they came forth with an

.hmendment which, in effect, has satisfied a1l of the variou

interests including the public. This Amendment ah - ., with-

out going into substantial detail which I would be happy to

do on Third Reading, but very simply this particular. The

only feature that was changed of any consequence was in-

stead of the Director of Public Hea1th having the right to

issue the Certificate of Nee/. A'Certificate of Need will

now be issued by a Regional Bcard or by a state Board. I

move the adoption of Amendment No. to House Bill 2653.'1

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? The gentle

man has offered to move the adoption of Amendment No. 1,

to House Bill 2653. A11 in favor of the adoption signify

shB.Mz-k<'u.o>* $ . -r-.p e G E N E 11 A L A S S E 51 1$ L Y.'J t>'' '' if t r a f - .' . - '

sv.. v c o r.. 1 u u I ,q o , sh. .' Jz,..-i ,....:'3 '. j,ou sqc .s ,.s,-., csesj.'. a.r , w ss' . 4lt ehe

113..by saying 'aye', opposed 'no.. The Amendment is .adopted.

Are Ehere further Amendments? Third reading. And now, we

will go back to the order of Third Reading and pick up

those Revisionary Bills. The Clerk will read al1 of them

ah.. a third time. We'1l take one Roll Call and the Clerk

will make an appropriate number of copies.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 3806, House Bill 3807, 3808,

3809, 3810, 3811, 3812, 3813, 3814, 3815. 3816, 3817, 3818,3819, 3820, 3821, 3822, 3823, 3824, 3825, 3826, 3827, 3828,3829, 3830, 3831, 3832, 3832, 3833, 3834, 3835, 3836, 3837,3838, 3839, 3840, 3841, 3842, 3843, 3844, 3845, 3846, 3847,

3848, 3849, 3850. 3851, 3852, 3853, 3854, 3855. 3856, 3857,

3858, 3859. 3860. 3861, 3862, 3863, 3864 , 3865, 3866, 3867,3868, 3869, 3870, 3871, 3871, 3873, 3874, 3875, 3876, 3877,3878, Ah.. 3877, 3.878 tabled. .3879, 3880, 3881, 3882,3883, 3884. 3885, 3886: 3887, 3888, 3889, 3890, 3891, 3892,3893, 3894, 3895, 3897, 3896, 3897, 3898, 3899, 3900, 3901,

3902, 3R93, 3904, 3905, 3908, 3907, 3908, 3909, 3910, 3911,3912, 3913, 3914, 3915, 3916, 3917, 3918. 3919, 3920, 3921,3922, 3923, 3924, 3925, 3926, 3927, 3928, 3929, 3930, 3931,3932, 3933, 3934, 3935, 3936, 3937, 3938, 3939, 3940, 3941,3942, 3943, 3944, 3945: 3946, 3947, 3948, 3949, 3950, 3951,3952, 3953. 3954, 3955, 3956, 3957, 3958, 3959, 3960, 3961,

3962, 3963, What's was ihat? 3963, 3964, 3965, 3966, 3967,3968, 3969, 3970, 3971, 3972, 3973. 3974, 3975, 3976, 3977,3978, 3979, 3980, 3981, 3982, 3983, 3984, 3985, 3986, 3987,3988, 3989, 3990, 3991,

* 3992, 3993, 3994, 3995, 3996, 3997,

-'tè,R).,' ...yptrtl. , .':-n'q.. G E N E lt A L A S S E M B L Y/ I :C '. . ' . ' .j: ) L sm ,q xc o

'

rz , uz-l ,.l o , sh. *: u .? N * ' s o u s u: o Ir n c ra r : t( s c 14 T /K T 1 v c s. 'l. ' +%*T. r:.,; . h

114

3998, 3999, 4000, 4001, 4002, 4003, 4004, 4005, 4006, 4007,

4008, 4009, 4010, 4011, 4012, 4013, 4014, 4015, 40lG, 4017,'

4018, 4019, 4020, 4021, 4022, 4023, 4024, 4025, 4026, 4027,

4028, 4029, 4030, 4031, 4032, 4033, 4034, 4035, 4036. 40X7,

4038, 4039, 4040, 4041, 4042, 4043, Yeah.. know....'4045,

4046, 4047, 4048, 4049, 4050, 4051, 4052. 4053, 4054, 4055,

4056, 4057, 4058, 4059, 4060,. 4061, This one is suppose to

be out. Where is 63? 4063, 4064, 4065, 4066, 4068, 4070,

4071, 4072, 4073. Third reading of Ehe Bill.''

Rep. Arthur Telcser: ''Is there any discussiop? Representa

tive Downes, you have a question, Sir? The question is,

'shall these Bills pass?'. A1l in favor will signify by

voting 'aye' and the opposed by voting And the#

Clerk will take and make an appropriate number of Roll Call .

Have al1 voted who wish? Take the record. On this ques-

tion, the 'Ayes' are 154, and the 'Nays' are 0, and these

Bills having received the Constitutional majority àre here-

by declared passed. On the order of Third Reading... On thA

order of Third Reading appears House Bills 4220 through

4239. And the Clerk will read these Bills a Third time.

And after Roll Call he will ah.. take an appropriate number

of Roll Calls-''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4220, 4221, 4222, 4223, 4224,

4225, 4226. 4227. 4228, 4229, 4230, 4231, 4232, 4233, 4234.

4235, 4236, 4237, 4238, 4239. Third reading of the Bills.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? The ques-

tion is, 'shall these Bills passa'. A1l in favcr will sign'-

f by voting 'ave' and the opposed by voting 'nn'. Tbsb--yî > t...

, r* % .N *r ', c E N E R A L A s s E M 11 L Y, j ij. .. . x.l :,j( . ç / , .r .-)$'- ; i sv .. x. c o ,- 1 u u, ,q o i s'î r. .N * ''V . Id ou 5 e: o IC n E e R as rf N'F A.T t v Eser.,; , .%+

115.

Clerk will take an appropriate number of Roll Calls. Have

all voted who wished? Take the record. On these questions,

the 'Ayes', are 142, the 'Nays' are 0, and these Bills hav-

ing received.the Constitutional majority are hereby declarec

passed. House Bill 4440.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4440, an Act in relation to

reclamation to certain surface mine land. Third reading

of the Bi1l.''

Rep. Arthur Telcser: ''The gentleman from Stark, Representa

tive Nowlane''

James D. Nowlan: ''Mr. Speaker, I would ask leave to have w

House Bills 4441, 42, and 43 considered with 40 as they are

companion measures.''

Rep. Arthur A. Teleser: ''Are there any objections? The gentl -

man from Lake, Representative Matejeviche do you voice an

objection, Sir?''

John S. Matijevich: ''No. I really.don't have an objection'but I do know that Representative Harold Stedelin is very

xe '

interested in this subject ntatter. He's not on the floor

and I wonder if the sponsor would hold this awhile. Becaus

he has intense interest in these Bills.''

James D. Nowlan: 'iRepresentative Matejevieh, I have held thesfor some time, but if he does feel that strongly in deferen eto him and a fair hearing for the Bills

, I will hold them.''

John 5. Matijevich: ''He's around here. He just happens tooff the floor at this timeo ''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Do you want otlt of the record,

.% '-7CI-A ' ' t;a .z * ik * 'r: --. r ' G E N E R A L A S S E M 11 L Y. J' k..' .. . qI t c . Q) L lf ' a ) s v s. 'r c o r.' l u ,- t sl o 1 s'$ . ' 'k, ; .r:g'.+3. s t: o s a c e a s s u sj v s, v. 1 v c sN ' . H o taX l . ,. . $ ..%

ll6

Representative Nowlan? Ah.. We'll take them out of the

record. Hcuse Bill 4348.''

Predric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4348., an Act to amend an Act

relating to County Zoning . Third reading of the Bill.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook Representa-#

tive Moore.''

Don A. Moore: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen

of the House. House Bill 4348 permits the use of land for

Contractors for zoning for the duration of a Construetion

Contract. The existing Law which' we passed last year ah. .

gave them this use for a period of one year. There has

been some problems in the Construction Industry where the

Conract lasts for longer than a year due to weather, .in-

climate weather, just by the nature of t14e Contract. So.as a request of the Industry, they wanted to extend it from

a period oE one year to the duration of the Construction

Contract. I know of no objection to the Bill. And I move

for a favorable Roll Ca1l.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? The ques-

tion is, 'shall House Bill 4348 pass?'. A1l those in favor

will signify by voting 'ayq', and the op/osed by voting 'no .Have al1 voted who wished? Take the record

. On these

questions, there are 1l2 'Ayesf, 3 'Nays', and this Bill

having received the Constitutional majority if hereby de-clared passed. House Bill 4469

.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4469, a bill for an Act to

amend 'The School Code' Third reading of the Bill.''

. v v -.1 !! 1 > : y .'% ' kk * z.a: 3 2 '> q G E N E lt A 1. A S S E M 8 L Y. J' tg ' -. ) . g .!

v c .s , .u, ..,s$ ' >. ;t .. ..' t' s 'r >.. y zr c. . .k ..z . . lxousc o!r anzpc4t.:scrqn avlvb:s

ll7

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Dupage, Represent -

tive Roffman.''. Gene L. Hoffman: ''Representative Clabaugh.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: OThe gentleman from Champaign, Repte-

sentative Clabaugh.''

Charles W. Clabaugh: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House,

House Bill 4469 if enacted in 'the Law could affect only the

12 or 15 special charter school Districts in the State of

Illinois. Now, the present Law gives' the special charter

Distriets the right by election t'o change to the General

School Law to abandon its' charter and to change the Genera

School Law. If it doesn't, the present 1aw... If it does

do that present Law states that they must elect a new board

in the new distriet or in the distriet after it's changed

back to the General Law and prescribes the method of doing.

Now, House Bill 4469 does not any special charter District

to change, but if it does, this Bill provides that they

do not have to have an election for a new Board. But that

the present Board proceed hold office in the same 'way for

the expiration of their term just the same as any other

Bcard I know of no objection. I know o'f one special

charter District in the State tha: may be changing and they

want to avoid the expense of a special election. And I

urge ycur support of the Bill.''iRep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Ts there any discussion? The ques-

tion is, 'shall House Biàl 4469 pass?'. those in favore 'signify by voting 'aye'. and the opposed by voting 'no'

.

.% l0-.)21 ' ' ',,; * K$ -x--w '' i t. .?. J . $ ' G E N E R :% L A S S E M 8 L Yt 7 ç ' b' f ' s'ra'rc o s 1 uukp4 oIs> - f . .

$ . 'u/ nc * .% . uokzsc o F !zt1I.14 cscr4'rA.'r 1 v'cs. 'c:fu: W. s

ll8

2Have all voted who wished? Take the record . On this ques .

tion' there Zre 13O 'AM@SV and no lNays' and this Bill; #

having received the Constitutional majority if hereby de-

clared passed. House Bill 4207.'.

dric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4207 a Act to amend the 'IlliFre ,

nois Highway Code'. Third reading of the Bill.''

Rep. Arthur A. Teldser: ''The gentleman from Macoupiny Repre-

sentative Bartulis-''

A. C. Bartulis: ''Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. House

Bill 4207 extends to 1977 the term of Highway Commissioners

of Townships and consolidated Townships, Road Districts

elected in 1971... Pardon me... elected in 1971 with the

exception of cook County. Also provides for their election

i: 1977 and every four years Ehereafter to coincide with

the elections of other 'lownship of f icers . ''

Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? The ques-Rep.

tion is, 'shall House Bill 4207 pass?'. Al1 those in favor

signify by voting 'aye', and the opposed by voting 'no'.

Have al1 voted who wished? Take the record. On this ques-

tion, there are lO9 'Ayes', and 'Nayh, and this Bill hav-

ing received the Constitutional majority if hereby declaredj '

passed. House Bill 631..'

Fredric B. selcke: ''House Bill 631, an Act in relation to dis

solution of marriage, legal separation, marital rights, and

parental responsibility. Third reading of the Bill.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-

ts.ve B . B . Wolf e . ''

s% ). - ) '#.: ; ? -'-. ''r .k G E N E It A L A S S E 51 B L Y;; t:i . .. ., i, . .J j < k ' l r' i; # ; . s 'r a 3* ls o fr l t- 1- # p4 o 1 siy î'' . .. , J k' '4..$7 '-' ' el o u s c o s fz tc ea e:s L! pl 'r a'r 1 v cs'x ' e... (t , . . t*.%.

1l9

Bernard B. Wolfe: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gent.e-

ment of the House. House Bill 631 is really not my Bill.

It's a creature of study, deliberation, public hearings.

And I would like at this time to publicly thank some of the

Meneers of this House who were instrumental in the work '

that was necessary to put this Bill into condition and to

conform with I consider to be passage. First of all. the

Majority Leader, Henry Hyde ah.. Representative Fleck,

Representative McDevitt, Representative Lindberg, Members

of the Judiciary Committee and Judiciary Sub-committee and

Judge Hunter of the Circuit Court of Cook County, the

chief Judge of the Divorce Division. The main thrust of

House Bill is to stabilize in the family unit, to bring

dignity and meaning to the members of the family uhit, b0th

husband. wife, and of course, the children, and to esiablis

procedures in an unchabéed atmosphere conducive to preservi g

the family unit. Now, historically, I saw a little quote

in a magazine recently, which I think is applicible, and

would like to just quote. It is an anonymous quote. 'The

more extensive a man's knowledge of what has been done, the

greater will be his power of knoving what to do'. Histori-

cally in the State of Illinois, in the first Constitution

of 1818, the General Assembly was authorized to issue

vorce decrees. This was amazing to many of the Members of

the House. But: there was no such thing in those days as

a Court Divorce. In the Constitutlon of 184.8, the first

so câlled divorce action... ORank #ou, speaker. The

LqQ Y77:,Z -nw''u ' G E N E R A L A S S E 51 B L Y7) y . s' 4l : 4 f.)'' p ) svmvrc o rz , ,-ul pjolsj ç h . . t ? .. . :. h 'r. . .x ' z . . ' *1 o kl :; i: D F R E P R t: S r e: T 8 T 1 %' E 5

. ,zVj . gssm

zzc.

first divorce act was created and since that date. there

have'been additions to the Divorce Act. Until this year

of 1972, we have really done nothing constructive in the

way of bringing together al1 of the Law of this State con-

cerning the family unit. And wllat House Bill 63l attempts

to do is to bring al1 of the statutorx law and a1l of the

case law of thià State together in one marital rights code.

Now, some of things that i would like to mentioh briefly

that this Act dces is this. It provides for reconciliation

services before the institution of a legal proceeding. The

present Law only permits reconciliation services to be ah..

authorized by the Court or reco>nended by the Court after

a 1aw suit has been filed. Now, many of you can realize

that this is a too late a period of time within which to

mend or in which to recon>truct the family differences.

%tis Bill provides for both .the reconciliation services '

before the institution oE suit as well as after. And the

Departmynt of Family Servièes ah.. Children and Family

Services have supporEed the concept in this Bill. And, I

would like to tell the House that there are no appropria-

tions in the Bill. This has been amended out. The origina

provided for a special service which called for an appropri -

tion. But, as you will note from your digest, there are

seven Amendments and ohe of these Amendments removes that

ah.. particular condition. I would like to briefly note

ah . . for the House Members that the emotional conf lict be-

' f euding spouses is more of ten 'bhan not heightened bytween

s k - $ & ' z .t: 4 '' .p'y? .? J '>'-z rkï G E N E It A L A S S E M B L Y; kê 'L ' . q . z . .l 1 ç / . i pk i s'r A.'r c o r' I uul N o l'.'.:ix

, f .zLq . .1.%* w,V, . .sm ' $ o tl :; iC C) C 17 E P R E S t: N T A 'r l M E S

l2l

multiple litigation concerning economic rights and t14e

cause of the conflict becomes the children of the family.

' And the thrust of this Bill is to'provide for these childre

the maximum protection allowable under the Law even to tHe

extent of appointing court counsel if necessary to protect

the rights of the children in any kind of a proceeding.

Another major procedural change in the Bill is that we noweliminate the advis œ y concept of divorce in saying so and

so, the wife against the husband or the husband against the

wife. We lend dignity by saying that this matter in the

matter of the family of John Doe and it becomes that kind

of a proceeding when a petièièner and a respondent. If

there are any question concerning the bill, ah.. I would

certainly invite them and I would earnestly and urgently

solicit your support of House Bill 631.'.

Rep. Arthur Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Schlickman.''

Eugene F. Schlickman: ''Will the Sponsor yield to a couple of

questions?''

Rep. Arthur Telcser: ''He indicates he will.''

Eugene F. Schlickman: ''Representative, do you add to the '

ground for divorcea''

Bernard B- Wolfe: ''No, we do not add to any of the existing/

grounds for divorce. What we do is take the existing statua-

tory grounds as they have been added to over the years

including the last ground that this General Assembly addecl

to the existing grounds ah.. and treat those grounds as

sq )..:01 '. ' ' / +.' a * ? -J -,-- ''- G E N E R A L A S S E 51 B L Yj t - .,. . 't( ,. r ?. ' !,'1:-. J s'rxvc orz , ul-l soss' . .k4/2 ''r7 - .,o u su o v rvcp r? ic s: s eq x. . v. ' w cs .k .. . . -.' '1 1. :.11.. & e

, 122.

Code of Misconduct in the Bill. So, we have the existing

grounds for divorce as it's presently constituted.''

' Eugene F. Schlickman: ''When a complaint initiated for di-

vorce, do we have the moving party, the initiator, alleging

grounds as we do now?''

Bernard B. Wolfe: ''Yes. The statutory ground as we now have

'

''What do you do about separate mainten-Eugene F. Schlickman:

ance?''

Bernard B. Wolfe: HIn the area of s'eparate maintenance, we

have made a 'substance of change in that area. In the area

of separate maintenance, as the Law now stands on the books

of our ah.. Stake, any party can file an action the

separate maintenance field. And to just briefly explain it

to the late Members of the House, separate maintenance

action' is a separation of the parties who are légally con-

sidered be married, although legally divorced. So, it

is sort of an archaic kind of status. This Bill providesxe

that in that area only.. that in that area only where there

has been a separate maintenanee action filed and where the

party or parties have submitted to reeon'ciliation services

as a condition preceding and where after two years, the

family is not united, then either party at thak point, may

petition the Ccurt for a dissolutionof the marriage on

the grounds that they have been able to ah.. reconcile their

difference. They have ooU been able to respond to a recon-

ciliaLion services that they eannot continue has a family-''

- - ' - U W'. %% r ., w ,r. .à'q'.?. ---' ':k G E N E It A L A S S E M 11 L Y/ k .: !I 4 ' r.kth, J svaa.c ofz I uujs o1s$$

$. -- iô J! -'- . ..rf-' .. ..iî., . Housc oe rzcp-escua nv.vcsXk mt sx*'. . , (.u . :

123.

Eugene F. Schlickman: ''Wel1, Representative, you are then add-

ing a new grounds for divorce, which would founded upon

A. Separation. .lnotherwords, filing the nature of a no-

fault divorce.''

Bernard B. Wolfe: ''NO, it's nct. It is absolutely not in the

heading of may Bill, this is not a no-fault divorce bill.

We are not adding any grounds. Under the present statute of

this State and for more than 1OO years, a desertion... a

desertion by either party is a cortstituted grounds for

vorce. And that's a period of one year. What we are saying

in Ehe separate lpaintenance Section of the Law today is that '

if these parties have been separated, they are not legally

constituted. And if this separati6n continues for two years

and if the parties have submitted to reconciliation services

to reunite themselves as a family and this has failed, then

they can petition the Court .and that basis.''

Eugene Schlickman: ''What your s'aying, Representative, is

that either party, whether be the agreed party or the

party who is aggrieving for two years, may petition for

divorce. And just simply the'fact that they have bqen sepa -

ated for a two year period that they have undergone some

kreconciliation effor s.. Either party may petition for di-

vorce so long as there has been a prescribed period of sep-

aration, so long as there has been some attempt, whether it

be bona fide or not, either of the two parties may secure a

' divorce. Is that correct?''

Bernard Wolfe: ''In answer to your question, Representative

(hC1M '* .' ?' ,y? ..

- -' 'r . G E N E lt A L A S S E M B L Yi' k , .r . t i($' ï )t,y.. ,..r..- > .' .( .c, s'JTo?% ; l Oc Ja 'cllslxoa' 'l. I w c sx7

., ,-...'.u..'-

124.

Schlickman, think that I ought to quote from a commentary

made by James Jensen. an eminent ConKentator on American

I :j. 'Law who said that the limited divorce and separate ma n-

tenance throws the parties back upon Society in the undei

fined and dangerous character of a wife without a husband

and a husband without a wife'. Professor Barnere, in the

same category said on American Family Laws, 'The affect of

limited divorce leaves the parties in the position of un-

married persons in relation to each bther, deprived from

the pleasures and freed from the Pduties incident upln èO-

habitation. Yet, as to the rest of the world, they are '

still married. Such a'divorce requires a degree of chastit

scarcely to be expeéted of an ordinary mortal and it leav s

neither party free to marry again and is no defense to a

criminal charge of either of bigamy or adultery'. And this

propos'ition under our présent separate Maintenance Law

was submitted to the Judiciary of this State. And there

overwhelming support of this concept ah.. in the ah.. hear-M

ings that we took favcr this kind of treatment.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Representative Matejevich, for what

purpose do you rise, Sir?''.

John S. Matejevich: ''As I understood the questicn. it could

be answered with a 'yes' or 'no'. And I think that we're

going far afield here.''

Eugene Sehlickman: ''Mr. Speaker, if I may.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''You've only got about a minute,

Representative Schlickman. So, proceed: Skr.''

---77i..,...j, wtj' ol ' ;... z --N e G E N E 11 A L A S S E M B L Y:.. . . x . :4 , .('l ? / j : svav ,n os 'uule4o'st f r . .h

q . .: y .y,l ' j ' ' * yj o u s s: o F n c fx 1 v tt s c :4 'r A 'r I u E G

125.

Eugene F. Schlickman: ''I have no further questions. I would

simply like to make this point. I asked Representative

' Wolfe at the offset if there were.any new grounds for di-

vorce contained in this Bill. He indicated in the negative

and yet upon inquiry, we find that we do have a new .î/ound

for divorce set forth 'in this Bill. It's in the nature of

no-fault. I would suggest that, perhaps, it ought to be

given mcre careful consideration by Members of the House be

fore beihg voted upon.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentlezan from Cook, Representa-

tive Hyde.''

Henry J. Hyde: nThank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen

of the House. My name was mentioned by the distinguished

Sponsor of this Bill as somehow being involved in it and my

involvement was that I was appointed by the ah.. Châirman

of the. Judiciary Committee in the last Session to chair a

Sub-committee to hear testimony 'on a comprehensive revision

on the marriage and legal separation, etcw etcw etcw an' ....-

Act that Mr. Wolfe has prepared. And we did have about

three hearings. We heard from various people. And frankly,

it was my opinion. that this Bill that Was proposed was so

eomplicated and tried to do so much about so many importan:

things, that it just wasn't practical or feasible to makea recommendation. We never did make a recommendaticn back

to the full CoMnittee. Ah.. do not know that this Bill

is supported by the Matrimonial Laws Committees of any Bar

' Association or the Association of Matrimonial Lawyors.

Nq% 'jl'l ' ê l'e. a x jj v, ,y,?j) . c 7-5 r . G E N E It A L A S S E 51 B L( è> ;- t ,t i y /. J s'rn're oe I ut.l e4olsxp *'' $ Jh. - k: '= ' 'hX-' l 4 t7 U S C C1 6 I ? f: P F' E S C N T A Y I W i Z 9N.. d!z , $5.$*

l26

know thatthey're insomewhat disagreement over how the best

this should be done- I want to commend the Sponsors for

for laborious work and ah.. important work. But, I

do believe that it does change the Law substantively on di-

vorce and it tries to do much tco much. Ah.. for example,

mental cruelty, they add that it need not be evidence of

mental or physical deterioration and the Court shall not re

quire proof that any principal party is under medical care.

That seems to me to open the door to ah-. a1l sorts of ah-.

looseness in granting a divorce. What is mental cruelty

to one person may certainly not be mental cruelty to anothe ..

Ah.. the Bill is tco complicated. tries to do too much.

And 1... In lacking support/by responsible experts in thisfield, I ah.. with regret will- . am unable to support the

B i 11 . ''

Rep. Arthur Ak Telcser: nThe gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Meyerw''

J.' Theodore Meyer ; ''Mr. Speaker, when I was lucky enough to..-- .

come down here in 1967 ; Representative Wolfe had a no-fault

divorce Bill. This would be the f ourth one that he ' s had'been beaten and I sug- hsince then and everg one of them has

gest that this one be beaten also..''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentlehan from Cook, Representa-tive Fleck.''

Charles J. Fleck: ''We11, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, I'm not one who is well in favor of divorces. As

a matter of f act f eel that the proper way to apprcach#'div rce is to nip it in a bud . And fcllq to ' ' ' l6a.

, :'- ? : ->.>. G E N E It A L A S S E M 8 L Y

, 1 ' i a S'FATC olœ 'uulplo':l5 l a , u. . .. : ' ' r? . . .' ;$ ' ' . H o tl :J I : f7 fr R 1$ !> 1'? i: 1; ' : N *1 8 'r 1 Y' E Gst , zu s.%*

l27

I never got married. I'Iowever, I think a lot of you are look

ing at this Bill improperly when the question of no-fafllt' comes up. What is really does in'this particular area wher

you might think that it's no-fault, it forces parties wh6

have no other grounds, who are fighting to the children's

detriment, it forces them they go into a legal separatio

to go to reconciliation services. The Court is saying to

these feuding spouses, look you've got to go and you've got

to see if you can patch this family Eogether and keep it

utogether. Otherwise, your not going anywhere with it. If

he don't avail themselves of the reconciliation services.t y

their not going to get a divorce on any new ground which

Representative Schlickman is concerned about . That grcund

doesn' t exist unless they avail themselves to the recon-

ciliation services. Representative Hyde stated that he was

a Chairman of a Sub-committee that went over this Bill.

I was too, and we spent a number of hours, I'd say twanty

hours working on that Amendment. Now, the Bill is compli-

cated I agree. The Matrimonial Lawyers aren't in favor of#

because they don't want any changes at all in the Law.

This is probably the aost practical approach to the ques-

tion of divorce that I have seen.come along. And I am sure

that if a lot of Members would have spent a lot of time on

the Bill as the rest of us had, you would also agree. And

I urge you to reconsider this great onerous and scare that

you have about this no-fault. This forces the spouses to

go to a marriage counselor, a psychiatrist and try and keep

-------F. > .,,.+* % ' -.-n. 'er G E N E R A L t% s S E M 8 L Y.. - - .. f . ;/ : tr ' ? ! k' f. A .t ' s'ra'rs oe lt-uleqols$ v, oy .n . . p, j4 s s c oj v av 1 u usk' ' ':OQJGES OF RZ. ,,.f . . .x.

128.

together. I think that it help them and it helps t14e famil

and hel#s the family unit and the children involved. I urg

' you to support this Bi11.''

Rep. Arthur Telcser: HThe gentleman from Boone, Representa

tive Cunningham.''

Lester Cunningham: ''Mr. Speaker, I move the previous question.

'' h entleman has moved t-he preWiousRep . Arthur A. Telcser: T e g

question. A1l Ehose in favor signify by saying 'aye', the

opposed 'no' the gentleman's motion prevails. And Repre-

sentative B. B. Wolfe, to close the debate.''

Bernard B. Wolfe: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want t6 reinter

ate again, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Bill is

not complicated. It's only complicated because over.a peri d

of one hupdred and twenty four years, we have added onto

the present divorce Bill. And a1l this does, we have a

fifty eight page supporting report on this Bill showing tha

the case history of this Law supports every revision in thi

Bill. This does have the support of sociologists. hasxe

the support of Doctors. It has the support of thinking

Lawsrers who see the present divorce rate as destroying the

family unit in this State. Now, when I started this work

in 1967, the divorce rate at that time was 1 out of 3. The

present statis%ic out of 2 and a half, and we're rapid

approaehing a condition of 1 out of 2 marriages will wind u

in the divorce courts in this State. And the thrust of Hou/'

Bill 631 is to stop that degeneration of the family unit'and attempt to bring some sanity into the ah.. courts of th.

. xs%) z. ./ ?' ? : -- e G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y, ::.- . z . t

t f jk ' l t , ' ) s'r ,. 'r ':': o 'r ' u u ' 'u o 's$-.. .),.f .n'.'...' - soclss os nsea usctqvav, w cs

129.

whole system of the dissolution of marriages. In closing,

Ladies and Gentlemen, I would just like to' briefly reade

'If we are to stabilize Marital Relations so that reconeili -

tion may be Tlad, the Laws must be so fashioned that all con

flicts are disposed of on a rational, uniform basis whieh

removes and lessens the tensions within the Courts'. I

don't know if any of you have ever sat'through a divorce

proceeding or had the pleasure of seeing the turmoil that

goes on in the divorce court. I urgently ask.that this

House support what is good legislation and what is a move

forward in the twentieth century towards some sanity within

the area of family relations. Thank you-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The qùestion is, 'shall House Bill

631 pass?'. All 'those in favor signify by voting 'aye',

the opposed by voting 'no'. The gentleman from Livingston,

Representative Hunsicker, to explain his vote.''

Carl T. Hunsicker: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen, I

would like to explain my vote. I sat here quietly listeninZ '

to the arguments both pro and con for this legislation. An

I've come to the conclusion that this is an easy-out to get

out of marriage. I don't remember what the Sponsor's middl

verse was that he started wiuh but he said that 'The greate

will be the knowledge of knowing'what to do'. Personally,

I doubt this, because some have been married four, five and

six times in this Country. I won't say in this House but

in the Country because you read about it in the papers.

This legislation is going to result, if it passes, in the

. x . i lk ', az? ? . --> c G E N E lt A L A S S E 51 B L Yf j U' :',' .), L.tf'

.?- t; ' ' s'ra'ru os 'uu'aolsq. bv.jl ,.c?.o . ,,ou,su o s a (sere sssxvav I v ssdl ., . . % <

13O

breakdown the institution of marriage. And that marriage

will become a farce as far as I'm concerned. TYe rule will

be get married today and get' a divorce tomorrow. This may

be right in L-he eyes of man, but God who instituted marriag

will be the judge. And this legislation will soundly be

defeated.n

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman ftom Cook, Representa-

tive B. B. Wolfe:''

Bernard B. Wolfe: nUnfortunately, I don't think that my col-

league heard the arguments in connection with this Bill.

And. to say that the Bill will create conditions which are -

detrimental to the family is absolutely wrong and erroneous

With the existing State Law over the past decade, we have

now reached more'than 24,000 cases of divorce in Cook Count .

And I'm going to tell this House that the thrust of 63l

is to reverse that trend and to bring some sanity into the

family to compel reconciliation 'services in an area where

it is much needed. To protect the children in an area wherxr '

it is much needed. And yes, to protect both the husband

and wife relationship in a area that we know is' much needed

This Bill does nothing but lay the blueprint for a more

decent type of approach to this family problem. And per-

haps, for launakers to sit back ând attempt to evaluate it

on any other grounds is absolutely in error-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Have all voted who wished? Record

that Representative Maragos is voting 'present'. Take

the record. On this question, the 'Ayes' are 49, the 'Nays

- -----7V. J''',,,a ' ) .-x fe c E x jj jl A j. A s s E 51 1) L Y) yo . ., '4, ,! 17 -ç ;t.- 7.% :- 1 s'ra'rs o.- ' uu',q o'sh

. . ;y.,z .rr . sousqc os ssescscxvavlvr:skhv * ' %+z ..-7. . . +

la1

are 52, and this Bill having failed to receive the ConsEi-

tuti6nal majority is hereby declared lost. Record Repre-sentative oan o'Brien as voting 'present'. House Bill 3779

Take that out of the record. House Bill 4268.''

Fredric B. selcke: ''House Bill 4268, a bill for an Act to

amend 'The School Code'. Third reading of the Bill'.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telèser: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive schlickman-u

Eugene schlickman: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen

of the House, House Bill 4268 provides additional State

Assistance to a public sehool distrkct impacted by the

closing of a private school operated by a residential care

facility which has contracted with the State Department of

Children and Family Services. Specifically, the Bill pro-

vides that if the pnrolimçnt of a public schcol district'

is increased by 5 percent or more as result of such

private school closure, the Governor of the State may,

he sees fit, declare that àn emergency exists and the Offic

of the superintenden: of Public Instruetion would then

develop plans and specifications for additional classroomI

facilities to be financed andeonstructed through the

school Building Commission. The Bill was drafted through

the cooperative efforts of the Representatives of the Offic

of the Governor, Officé of the Superintendent Public In-

struction, the School Building Commission. It was reported

out with reeommendation, do pass , by the Elementary and2

secondary Committeo of this House wlthout a d is sentinq vote

. sjs'.; A I > j sz 'n5 : 'vx 'er'; . G E N E It A L A S S E M 11 L Y1* .i' 72: ' -. . '1 w ) t : - svxv.e o Ir 1 ut-s,q oIsr .

,t ,.< k .1x* Q , p Idoklsc oTr ûeEppa ECSENT 8'rlV P:CI

zga.

I respe'ctfully solicit your vote.''

Rep. ArKhur A. Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? r1e gentle'

man from cook Representative Richard Walsh.''#

Richard A. Walsh: ''Wil1 the Sponsor yield for a question?''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''He indicates he will.''

Richard A. Walsh: ''Gene, you referred to this Bill as providi g

impaction aid. As I read the digest a1l it requires... all

it provides for is the School Building Commission to acquir

faeilities. It ah.. doesn't provide 'for any ah . . any ad-

ditional distributive aid, does it?''

m gene F . Schlickman : ''No . ''

Richard W. Walsh: .'SO. ah.. it just provides for the acquisi-

tion of additional facilities ah.. in a given sehool'dis-

trict just as the School Building Commission now does. Is

that correct?''

Eugene F.' Schlickman: ''The School Building Commission is the

mechanism through which the additional classroom facilities

' that ar> deemed necessary will be provided.''

Richard W . Walsh: ''There will be no increased distributive

aid, though?''

Eugene F. Schlickman: ''That's right. Exactly-'.

Richard ïq. Walsh: ''Thank you-''

Rep- Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there further discussion? The

gentleman from Cook, Representative Katz.''

Harold A. Katz: ''AK.. Would the gentleman yield to a question ''

Rep . Arthur A . Telcser : ''Ife indicates he will . ''

Harold A. Katz: ''Ah.. is there requirement that the Sehool

;;) 'ez' : ). , î 4-'- '; ' G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y( ;) k. - . - j .,; 4 9 . svsvc og Suu'slotsç ; . ..p ...- t .$ 'Q -. , o H o tl S C C1 F R E P R C G EL N T R. T I V 1: S

133.

that would be acquired by tho Scllool Building Colnmission

could only be operated as a public school, thereafter, or

COu1d it Continue to bo Operated GS a Private SQhOO1 in any

form?''

Eugene F. Schlickman: ''No- It's to be operated by the public

school district as a public school on publicly owned proper

ty - ''

éep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there further discussion? Does

the gentleman wish to close the debate? The question is,

'shall House Bill 4268 pass?'. A1l those in favor will' j , b tiugtnol *signify by voting aye , and the opposed y vo .

Have all voted who wished? Take the record. Cn this

question, there are 137 'Ayesu and l 'uay', and this Bill

having received the Constitutional majority is hereby de-

clared passed. House Bill 4191.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bi1l '419l, a bill for an Act to

. amend the 'School Ccde'. Third reading of the Bill.'''

Rep. Arthur Ak Telcser: ''The Lady from Cook, Representative

Chapman-''

Eugenia S. Chapman: ''I'm just finishing up with my Ham Sand-

wich. I'm sorry. Okay. Mr. Speaker and Members of the

House, this is one of tN o Bills w'hich will provide for

uniformity in terms of age. When wm elect pecple for local

boards. This Bill will reduce from to the age at

which one may be a candidate and m4y be'a member of a

High School or Elemehtary School Board in our State. At

the present time, you may run for Sheriff of your County

JX'j7. ' w.g .b t '-->'-ek, G E N E It A L A S S E 51 8 L Y(: ' .( ï î. ;k.' 'a'l:;' - . svxv'z o,z ' uuI ,q o isk. . '...w '; ,.r'J . j . s o u s s o s a c e a s s u sj v x m 1 v t: s' 'z d. ... . & F.' . - -- . -.. .

134.

if you are l8. You may run for Village Board, Park. Board,

Library Board, any local position except Eor School Board.

In order to provide uniformity as well as the full benefits

of citizenship to our newly enfranchised 18, 19 and 20

year old voters. ah.. respectfully request your support

for this measure.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcver: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Hyde.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''Wi1l the distinguished Lady yield to a ques-

tion?''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''She indicates she will.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''AK.. Miss Chapman, would you mind telling me

if... would you mind telling me if your Bill excludes the

City of Chicago and if so, why?''

Eugenia S. Chapman: ''Ah.. as, you know, Chicago is in a special

Section of 'The School Code'. So, ah.. this measure, while

not including Chicago, was not written to exclude it. It

takes another ah.. Section to add Chicago.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''What we laughingly call a companion Bill?''

Eugenia S. Chapman: ''That's right.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''And therefore, we have this little island of

immunity from the 18 year old membership on a School Board

that is known as Chicago? Right?''

Eugenia S. Chapman: '.Ah..' Mr. Hyde, I would be happy to suppor

your Bill which would take care of this island-''

I'Iennr J . Hyde : ''May I be heard on the B:i.ll . please ? ''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: 'nproceed Sir.''#

lxtilol--lll.twttxz z. g. :-- , .?. ( --- -7 G E N E R A L A S S E M 8 L 'ï' j k' n. . . . .j ) . f t s s.r a v c o rz I t.u I el o (s6 . ; t/ .$.. '$-'t 'r7 ' sousc os ac,-tecsc-vavlwcs., d s..T f . .. .1 . b #.

135.

Hyde: ''Well I ah.. do not support ah.. permittingHenry ,

18 year olds to be Members of School Boards' for the single

and sole reason.that it's hiihly discrminatory against 13year olds-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there further discussicn? The

gentleman from Cook, Representative Palmer-''

Romie 'J. Palmer: ''I should like to ask tée Lady if she will

yield.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''She indicates she will yield.''

Romie Palmer: ''Whether or not to a question.''

Rep. Akthur A. Telcser: ''She'll yield tc question.'' '

Romie J. Palmer: ''What the age eligibility minimum is for the

City of Chieago.''

Eugenia S. Chapman: I'm sorry. There seem to be ah..

so much enjoyment here on the floor this afternoon, I didn'

hear your question.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Welle the age efigibility as a Member of

the Board of Education of the City of Chicago... What is th ..

is the ah.. floor on that?''

Eugenia S. Chapman: ''Oh.. thirty. Thirty.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''We1l, don't you thing that the 18 year olds

shculd ah.. be able ko serve on the School Board of the

City of Ulicagoa''

Eugenia S. Chapman: ''AK.. Mr. Palmer, you know that we dis-

cussed this at length in the House Education Committee. We

. have two Bills, one which ah.. Representative Jaffe intro-

duced and this one which I introduced, neither one of us

sa-p', 'zT' ' .

W'e? ï . ---. '' , G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y,j, ?.. -: . x 't ,i - ç 'k. .y( œ sva'ru o.r Iuulp.olsh

.k,. ,' r. . . ow su o p. r.cer. qcsuruxax,wc:ss: . . . e'

136.

realized the other was reslnonding to this probz.em . And

Representative Jaffe indicated that he was going to amend

his Bill to inc.lude the City of Chicago . So , those of you

whc want to see 18, 19 and 20 year olds in the City of

Chicago ah.. as well as 21 through 30 year olds ah.. in-

cluded as potential candidates for School Board Membership

in the City of Chicago. I suggest that you support Mr.

Jaffe's Bi1l..''

Romie J. Palmer: ''We1l you don't have any reluctance. do you#

for an 18 year o1d Board Member in the City of Chicago.''

Eugeni'a Chapman: ''Well, you know, just because an 18 year '

cld is eligible for Membership, doesn't mean that you are

going to have a1l 18 year olds app8inted or any 18 year old

appointed.''

Ftomie J. Palmer: ''We1l, I would agree with that, but we're

talking ako ut floors, minimum agem''

ia S Chapman: ''No. I ah-.in'tend to support Representa-Eugen .

i ffe's 'measure when it's called .''t ve Jq .

Romie J. Palmer: ''We1l you do believe that an 18 year old#

should not be discriminated against in this particular area,

age elikibility.''Eugenia s. Chapman: ''1' ah . . believd that the Law should be

uniform in this respect. I ask the.lllinois Legislative

Council to make a study of this matter for me, which they

did. shared with the Members of the House Educaticn Com-

mittee and the House'l.ligher Education Committee their repor'.

And it was clear that the only local offices which were ex-

%%*n ' * ' fx: ; '>. ? 'h - w fe G jï N E R A j. A s S E M 11 L Yf j IJ ' ' ' . 1k f 9 . v' svnvc o e. I uul ,q o$st î ,.' l ,k t./ ')? . xouss o s !: eraa cscrq-ra.r I u ss'xxr . 'lr .7r;7.::*

. la7.

cludecl were School Board Offices. So, you will be voting

for uniformity ah.. when you vote for Housp Bill 4191. ''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is therp fur. . . The gentleman from

Macon, Repre&eniative Borchers.n

Webber Borchers: ''Mr. Speaker and Fellow Members of the House,

I'm not interested in this particular case of uniformity.

I'm interested in ccmmon sense. Now, T want you to juststop and regard for one moment, an 18 year o1d... whether

you would trust an 18 year old young man or young woman

with the decision of handling millions of dollars. Now ,

they just simply don't have the experience. It isn't that

there not alright, that we're trying to discriminate agains

them. It's ordinary, commonr economie horse sense to not

allow an l8, 19 year old child and they are certuinly child en,

who are immature in many 'ways. A1l you have to do is look

at the campuses and the action going on to make decisionb

cf children and millions of dollars. Now, this is justnonsense. It has no possible connection with a 18 year old

vote on %he'rights oe an 18 year o1d under normal consider-ation. This is a lot of money and we need responsible

people to handle it. Even twenty one years of age is, per-

' haps, in doubt. . So, T'd say vote against it.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Moultrie Repre-

sentative Stonev''

Paul Stone: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House

I would like to point out.to the House 'and especially to

tlze last gentleman who spoke that T was. against this Bill

.yxçi'.z ) . : 4..4 8 j -.x A'- c js N E It A L A j; S E M 1$ L Y,. k; p ... . , . .j y( j -j. ) x. '

.' .(,' f l sv >. n' e o v' , u t- $ eI o 1 s% 'V ? .*7: ' * H o u s t: o e' R s r. r: c s c eq x' a 'r , v c: sU . %..

' 138

too when I f irst read 5.t becapzse I thought that people

should be more than 18 possibly to be on the School Board.

But than, I did a little checking and I found that to be a

Member of the Board of Commissioners i/ any County, you

only need to be 18 years of age. Even the President of the

Board of Cornlissioners need only to be 18 years old. Our

County Clerks ar'e eligible to serve they areh 18 years of

age. They do.. they do have to be elected by the voters

of the County just as School Board Members have to be elec-

ted by the Voters of the School Board District. Ah.. Mr.

Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, the Sheriff of

Cook County or my County or the County of the gentleman whc

just spoke need only to be 18 years of age. He does need

to be elected by the electôrs of the County. And we can go

on and on with a list of other Office Holders in the State

of Illinois need only be 18 years cf age. People around

are saying that this includes the Trustees of the Universit

of Illinois. And this is irue. Now, if 18 year olds arequalified to serve by... under our Constitution al1 of thes

other positions, I think that we should accord them the

privilege of being Schcol Board Members.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Scariano.''

Anthony Scariano: ''Mr. S/eaker and Ladies and Gentlemen ofthe House, even if you change the Law in Chicago, there

wouldn't be any assurance that the Mayor would appoint an

year old. It's entirely up to him. Here, the people

.xxxl - -1 ' fa>. ? , ? -( 4-.- '>'-r . G E N E lt A L A S S E M B L Y! I 7 :t '. 7 jt t $ sv x v c o ,- . uu . ,u o . sî ).-z ,:,,J. .;.$* ,', &', ., ,. ssv. i ' t4 u s c: o v' n e: e r? t: G c r.l 'r z. 'r 1 v u: s

l39

pick whether or not that sehool Board Member is going to be

18 or over. But if you made it an Amendment to the Chicago

' Bill, the Mayor could still ignore it. So. I really doh't

think that you would really be achieving any uniformity,'

unless you made it elective in the City of Chicago. I thinl

that that's a phohk issue as the Representative frcm ah..

from ah.. Moultrie just pointed out. The fact is that a1-most every respo'nsible office in the state of Illinois you

need be only 18 and he's just kicked off a list of them.

so, I don't see that Representatfve Borchers argument holds

any water at all. I would urge you to vote for this Bil1.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from Kane, Representa-

tive Schoeberlein.''

Allan L. Schoeberlein: ''Mr. Speaker, I move to previous ques-

tion.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The gentleman has moved to previous

question. A1l those in favor will signify by saying 'aye',

opposed 'no' the gentleman's motion prevails. And Repre-#..M

sentative Chapman is recognized to close the debate-''

Eugenia S. Chapman: ''AK.. Mr. Speaker, may I say simply this.

We are perfectly willing fpr an 18 year old to serve in the

ah.. Army of the United States apd we are willing to entrus

him with a one million dollar tank. We are willing to let

him vote for the President of the United States. And I

believe that we should permit him the opportunity to be a

candidate and a Member qf our local School Board. Please'

te ' es' ''vo y .

NN b'':qjrlk l * t ,z, * r: -; -v>.% c E N E R h 1. A s S E 51 B L Y1 kê t'-' .. , 1 ', . kkt , svxv.c oc 'uus-o'st f . âxy it î MS - s u o s s ce 1: cs c sl-r A'r I v e: sI , . . . is otl. *

'

t , , . , +

'

*v .( .

l4O

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''The question,is, 'shall House BiJ.l

4191 pass?'. Al1 those in favor signify by voting 'aye',

the opposed by voting 'no'. The gneltman from Cook, Mr.

Fary.- Have a1l voted who wished? The Clerk will take the

record. On this question, there are The gentleman Yrom

Macon, Mr. Borchers.''

Webber Borchers: ''I'd like to point out to my ah.. good frien ,

Mrs. Chapman. If I wished about the Army... if I wished to

have a machine gun that's taken, there would be l8, 19 year

olds to do because they don't stop to think of the con-

sequences. So, that's unfair axgument. Now ah.., one othe

thing. As far as the voting is concerned for 18 year olds,

for Circuit Clerk, for example, they merely have to handle

the money. They have to do cértain legal things. Oley

do not have to make decisions. When your making decisions

in relation to handling terrific sums of money, it's anothe

matter entirely. I do think that we should not vote fcr

this kind of Bill.''Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentlepan from Ccok, Mr. Fary-''

John G. Fary: ''To make ap announcement, Mr. Speaker. The1

natives seem to be getting restless. I think that they're

getting hungry. With the compliments of the Beer Nuts

Company of Blocmington and Representative Bradley, we have

a case of Beer Nuts to'ease the hunger pains in commemora-

tion thpt May is National Tavern Month.''

Voices: ''Yeah.....''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The ah.. Lady 'from ah.. Cook. Mrs.

.------U . p , . , , ..' 6 ' '' G E N E It A t. A s s E 51 13 L Y.: ... ' '7- k.' t; a. . ,: ) t' : i s'ran'b; ofr Iuulhlolsf' l wxk .. ; p .' .. .( / ':l . . a. j w csxt . 1.1 C) kl G 1Z (7 F 62 EQP R E E;IC N T A. st ' N+( .I>

l41

Chapman-''

Eugenia S. Chapman: .'AD . Speaker, I was hoping that there

might be a number of people who are asking to be recognized

ah.. I woulcr like to request a poll.of the absentees. Un...

Unless there are... all I need are four people.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Ghe gentleman frcm Adams, Mr. Mcclain

votes 'aye'. The gentleman, Mr. Arrigo, 'aye'. Mr. Boyles,

'aye', Mr. Jacobse 'aye' Mr. Carter, 'aye'. Okay.#

Mr. Palmer wants to explain his vote.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House. With this Bill we're concerned about the rights of .

18 year olds. And I don't believe that those rights should

be less in the City of Chicaho than they are outside theCity of Chicago and the rest of the State. Therefore, on

this Bill I vote 'presentd.''#

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Aœ . Pierce.''

Daniel Pierce: ''l'm sorry.. but I didn't get my nuts.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Well, I can't help you there. le . D.

J. O'Brien 'aye' ''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''He's already voted 'aye'.''i

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He's already voted 'aye'. On this

question, there 91 'Ayes' and 29 'Nays' and 2 'present'.

This Bill having recèived the CoAstitutional majority is

hereby declared passed. 4192.:,

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4192, a bill for an Act to

amend 'The Public Junior College Act'. Third reading of

the Bi11.''

J ) ( -N $ G E N E 11 A L A S S E 5'1 8 L Y? k. - ; . ''t !l .' T- ? t.; tw ; STAY ti o F 1 L L.6 tNl o l St: 'u q' y . n ''*. . . - . s. . PI C) Ql S E C1 IT F? E:l IR C:S E Pl T AT 1 V tES

.% ' f t e %*' zlk' '

- . .X. 142

Hon . W . Robert Blair : ''The Lady f rom ah . . Cook , Mrs . Chapman . '

Eugenia S. Chapman: ''Mr. speaker, Members of the House, this

measure lowers the age qualification for Junior College

Board Membership. I ask for your favorable vote.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Further ah.. The gentleman from Cbok,

Mr. Fleck.'' .

Charles J. Fleck: '''Wil1 the Sponsor yield for a question?''

Eugenia s. Chapman: ''Yes, she indicates she will.''

Charles J. Fleck: ''Is it possible under the ahw., I haven't5 .I read the whole Bill, the synopsis for a Student who is in

College to be elected to the School Board and become a

Trustee of the College and then flunk out of the College

and still serve on that Board?''

Eugenia S. Chapman: ''Ah.. If he 'is a ah.. citizen res'iding in

that District of 18 yeazs or over, yes-'' ' . '

. Charles J. Fleck: ''Inothèrwords, he can flunk out of College

and still be responsible for the management and the policy

decisions of that College. Yet, he hasn't had the ability

to pass the Courses in that College.'' .

Eugenia S. Chapman: nHe also, I might point out, can be a

didate for Township Office, be elected and might also Ican

get public aid from the Township.''

Charles J. Fleck: nI've heard the other joke. Thank you.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. William

Walsh-''

William D. Walsh: ''Well, Mr. Speaker' and Members of the Housp,

one of the points made in f avor of Yhe last Bi 11 and this '

vs :î:; *

'

' l .sV ) t --...- *< . G E N E R A 1. A s s E M B L Yt:. .. tiî ï :$ : y )' x , .L 'kt;a . ë . s T Jt 'r c o F 1 u u i pd o , s

k b' !; / , : jx. ' ' I 4 o u s c o s '. c e r? c s e rq 'r h v I v s s*1 -----.. . . . s

143.

one that the age requirement for any County Office and

other Offices is But, let me say this, this is not the

Conscious aCt Of Yhe legislature to make the age This

Comes about ah.. because the statutes say that to be ëligib e

to run for these Offices, you must be a registered voter.

We reduced the voting age several months ago to 18 and so

these ages have'been dropped automatically. Now, suggest

to you that in the next Sêssion of the Legislature, there

will be many Bills to change the age for elective office,

they'll be changed to 21 and in some cases more. I think

that the impression has been given that did consciously re-

duce the minimum age for these Offices and we did not. Thi.

is a bad Bill just as the other one was a bad Bill-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Further discussion? The Lady from Coo

Care to Close?'' '

Eugenia s. Chapman: ''AK.. I regret if ah.. the gentleman from

Cook, believes that I've misrepresented. I distributed the

memo from the Illinois Legislative Council to all Members o

the House Education Committee, to all Members of the House

Higher Education Ccmmittee and it indicated exactly what

the wording was and gave the citation in the statute. So

that, by looking at this memo, one can see, that if one is

a voter, one can be a candidate for Supervisor, Assistant

Supervisor, Clerk, Assessors, Auditors. If one is an elec-

tor, one ean be a candidate for Mayor, City Clerk Ci*y

Treasurer, City Comptroller, Commis'sioner, Village Presi-

dent, village or Town.rrrustee. If 6ne an elector, one

/ : '? ( -v.- 5 , G E N E R A L. A s S E 51 B L, Y. J'4- -. ;I k r 4 ' . rp'. f svav.d orz duu,so'shkx-' ' Ly. .u.:''.

1 . . sousu .s rvcervcsuxvAv., w cs. '# f : . . j4.h

l44

can be a candidate for University 6f Illinois Board of

Trustees and on and on and on. And if there is anyone who

would like to see this memo, I have it here, so that

ou could che' ck the citations themselves to see what theY

wording The fact is that when we reduced the voting

age to l8, we made possible for people from to 21 to

be'ah.. candidate for every single locàl Township' County

Office, exeept School Offices. Ah.. surely, we want to

see uniformity as well as opportunity in our Laws. I ask

for your support.''

Hon. Wu Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Knox, Mr. McMaster.' -

A. T. McMaster: ''Will the Sponsor yield to a question? Ah..

Miss Chapman, could you tell me how old a person has to be

to run for Congrdss?''

Eugenia S. Cbapman: ''Twenty-five. There are a number of

matters as the memo points out. Where the Constitution

has stated ah.. other ages, for example, for ah.. various

State Offices, where a specific age is provided in our'newA '

State constitution. However, as far as local offices are

concerned, the State constitution left out.''

A. T. McMaster: nDo you intend, Mrs. Chapman, to offer an

Amendment to ah.. chanqe the legal age for running for

Congress from 25 to 18?''

Eugenia S. Chapman: ''I was not planning at the present time.

could not be done by statute, Sir.''

T. Mchfaster: ''No. I said offer an Amendment. What about

the ah..''

71 z '''''e? : . : -> 3$. G E N E R A L A S S E M B 1- Y: a !.: . -.l 2

, . y % 1 )t ) 1 ! s v > v c; o e. I u u f r: o 1 stk. y ; . a 31 , . . c s't . H O tl S C O F R E P l@' E S C Ul T A.'F 1 V

l45 .

Eugenia S . Chapman : '' I have alèother Amendment that am wor1t5.) g

On right now. ''

A. T. McMaster: ''AK.. Thank you-''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Palmer.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''If the Lady will yield to a questiona''

Hon- W . Robert Blair: ''Yes, the gentleman from St. Clair,

Mr. Elinnm''

Monroe L. Flinn: ''Mr. Speaker, I understand that you let the

Sponsor close the debatq and now your permitting questions.

I raise that point of crder. ''

Hon . W . Robert Blair: ''Yeah . . the previous question was moved

on the other Bill but has not yet been moved on this Bill .

j 'We ' re not in Roll Call and the debate has not been e osed .

It was closed on the last Bill. Did. you care to make a mo-

tion, the gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Flinn.n

Monroe L. Flinn: ''Mr. Speaker, I understood that on this Bill,

she was also in a closing argument. At least... you announ ed

that, Mr. speaker, whether that was by mistake or not.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Maragos.''

Samuel C. Maragos: ''Mr. Speaker and Members, enough debate.

I move to previous questioh.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''All those ih favor say 'aye', opposed

'no' the debates been closed. The Lady's closed her de-#

bate. Right? Alright.. A11 those in favor of the passage

of House Bill 4192 say 'aye' or voke 'aye' the opposed 'no'.

Have a1l voted who wishe'd? The gentleman from cook , Mr.

Palmer . ''

,' ? : . .t '7777 'j% G E N E It A L A S S 12 51 B L Y'i' k . : f : svxvra or- 'uu,eqots! - î' )? ' zt,'7

.zo. . .F.' .r4/. w'ousc os acet.csrseqv,kvdvusx.. . , r çs s..x . . .. ...!. .

146

Romie J. Palmer: ''Mr. Speaker, I knoW that this only applies

to Class I Colleges. There are, I believe, some eight in

the State of Illinois. Therè are more than that, that

Junior Colleg'es. It is not uniform and a not uniform appli

caticn and I suggest unless that is corrected the same in

the previous Bill it will be special legislation. And

fot that purpose- . for that reason, I'will vote 'present'.

Hon. W. Robert slair: ''Take the record. The gentleman from

ah.. Cook, Mr. Douglas.''

Bruce L. Douglas: ''Mr. Speaker, there's one facet of the de-

cision that we have to make that has not been discussed.

Afterall, what we're doing here is making it possible for

young people 18 or over to be one member of the Junior

College Board. Xnd this is a point which I think is rele-

vant to the decision that we have to make. And I would

hope that it would be possible for us to get the few ad-

ditional votes that we need by recognizing that this. is a

segment of the Community which deserves representation onvy '

the Junior College Board. Each of these individual people

will not, as some have said, be making major decisions al1by themselves. They will be one member of a board of a

quorum that will help to make vital community decisions. A d I submit that these people desçrve to be represented n ,

I and it would actually be wrong for us to exclude them, be-I

cause some of us feel that 18 year olds are too dumb to

know what to do. I think that they should be on the Board

and having even one or more of such people would add to theI

q.-.j77, oNN ' z

,. ,-0' . '?. . .-)-' ''s'h G E N E R A L A S S E 51 8 L Y

I i q 0 -- .) . . k l ., 6 J . akt - . sn a'rc oer 't-ul r4o,s$ .to / 'r7 . . j, o u s !: c, v. ,4 c e Iv c s t.: r4 v gt v , v t! sV ., ' ' .s+

14.7

quality of the Board. And. would ask that we get the few

more votes to make it possible for this to happen.'.' Hon. W. Rober: Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Yourell.''

Harry Yourell: ''Mr. Speaker, how am I recorded.?''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''How is khe gentleman recorded?''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''The gentleman is recorded as not voting-''

Harry Yourell: ''Mr. speaker, I should like vcte 'aye'-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: '''Aye' for Yourell. The gentleman from

Peoria, Mr. Carrigan.''

James D. Carrigan: ''l would like to correct a statement that

was made a moment ago. believe that there is only one

: ' class of Junior Colleges the State of Illinois today-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Have al1 voted who wished? On this

tion there are 84 'Ayei' and 33 'Nays' or 85 'Ayes'que S t . # , .

and 33 'Nays', and this Bill having failed to receive the

constitional majority hereby declared- .. For what pur-pose does the Lady from Cook, Mrs. Chapman, rise?''

Eugenia S. Chapman: ''Mr. Speaker, I.. had hoped that Ize

wouldn't need to do this, but I respectfully a poll of

absentees.',

'' 1.l the absentees/''Hon. W. Robert Blair: Po

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Bluthardt.. Boyle.. Brandt.. Burditt..

calvo.. Capuzi.- Jilnmy Carter.. Choate.. Phil Collins..

Corbett.. Cox.. Roscoe Cunhingham.. Diprima.. Dyer.. Gibbs..

h ta Hanahan Hart . Hirschfeld.. Gene I.Iof-Gra am.. Grana .. .. .

fman.. Houde.. Hyde.. Janczak... Karmazyn.. Keller.. Klozak..

Ed Madigan.. Mann. McAvoy.. Mcconnick.. McDeàrott.. McDevi'u..

. - Kn. n n ey-htn'-klwexa7-vv-lnet-car-q4i-l-le.rM-v-dtltba h . . 414.% . . appa. . . . .PCjYQ: > e v

. v%% 5 -cn--- G E N E R A L A S S E 51 B 1. Y, j, t... z. .?, .( o s )t-' st t), ;' ! sv . x. s o e. . u .- ' ,4 o , sk '.4/. .n' '. ' ':otase op- ,. icera usceqv A.c I v us

.*?, . . q.N

l48

Randolph.. Rayson.. Re&nond.. Ropa.. Schlickman.. Sevcik..

Shaw.. Sin=ons.. Ike Sims.. Terzich.. Jack Thompson..

Wa1l.. Genoa Washington... Williams. Zlatnik.. Mr. Speakero''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: '185 'Ayes' and 36 'Nays' and 2 'Presen '

'failed to receive a Constitvtion:l majorityThe Bill having

hereby declared lost . The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Hyde.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''M:. speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

have another anno'uncement of some importance. TheHouse, I

capitol Way Inn Tavern received a eall about 15 minutes ago

from a male subject thought to be intoxicated and he said

'we got Wallace and nev we will get the Capitol within the

hour'. It was not known that he was referring to the Capi-

tol Way Inn Tavern the Capitol in Washington or

the one here in Springfield. 'However, we feel th

secretary of State is evaquating the building. However. it

is the disposition of the Leadership of both sides of th'e

aisle that we not adjourn in view of this situation. And,

howevey,x to give everycne àn opportunity to express them-

selves, I will now move that we do not stand adjourned and

ask for a vcice voice vote on that.''

Hpn. W. Robert Blair: ''All those in favor of the gentleman's

motion to not adjourn say 'aye' opposed 'nc' the 'ayes'...# ê

He may be officially excused.. Yeah. 2545.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Housé Bill 2545,. An Act to amend Section

58 of an Act concerning public utilities. Third reading of

the Bill . ''

'' h tleman 'èrom Cook hir . Pallner . ''Hon . W . Robert Blair : T e gen ,

.- ' - = =

q w

'

N JJSIQ Jg w .? n* ? . ---. ': , G E N E 11 A L A S S E 51 13 L Y) .;

... . x.

. j :iv j ' :k . . svaviu os Iuulruols%j.. , =:-' . aouss ov aceacscslva-rlvss1- ... tva.rr.s.,

yuq.

Romie J. Palmer: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, presently the Illinois commerce commission has the !' power to order reconstruction, alteration, relocation and

blic 'improvement of grade crossing when safety to the pu

employs passengers and the public are involved. The only

thing that this Bill, House Bill 2545 does is to add in the e

when the public convenience is involved. This Bill did

. pass the public utilities of the Committee of the House,

13 to nothing and ah.. I urge your favorable consideration.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? The question is, 'shall

House Bill 2545 passa'. A1l those in favor will vote 'aye', '

and the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who wished? The Cler

' will take the record. On this question, there are .k04 'Ayes',

and l 'Nay', and this Bill having received the Constituticn

al majority if hereby declared passed. 3779.',

Fredric B. selcke: ''House Bill 3779, An Act to amend the Con-

dominium Property Act'. Third reading of the Bi1l.''

Hon. W. Ro#ert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Regner.''David J. Regner: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, this Bill requires that a seller before the initial

sale of a condominium Unit shows the prospective buyer' of copy of the declaration. the shortages of the Associatio '

or Articles of the Corporation, the by-laws, the deed to

the underlying ground, the maintenance or management contra t

and a projecting operating budget for the Unit. AIR.. thisis a tru'th in selling regarding Condominiulft Units and ah . .

and I know tlxat it wculd help t14e buyers of any of these

..- -.---,. st ): '.: t --'.r..-e> ' G E N E It A L A S S E 51 B t. YLJ. s. - . ,.. i :(1 . t( .. 1.k zt svxvs os 'I-uieqo,s . jç. .Jk jelpt,'p '=.. . . j j o u s Ic o r. n up ,4 u ss sj x A.r 1 v cs . 'X ., . . . ' ,f' . . - .. . -- -. .

l5O

ilanensely. And, I ask for a favorable vote.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is.thore discussion? The question is,

'shall this Bill pass?'. those in favor will vote 'aye',

and the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who wished? The Cler

will take the record. On this question. there are 127

'Ayes', and no 'Nays', and this Bill having received the

Constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. 14...'1

Fredric B. Selcke: House Biïl l4, An Act to amendlqlhe Electio

Code'. Third readingf of the Bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from ah.. Cook, Mr.

Juckett.''

R6bert Juckett: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the Hcuse, House Bill is a Bill to require the ah..

placing on ballot.. on machine ballot wherever possible,

the retention ballpt. Frimarily, this would apply in Cook

County. And, we have been in discussion with the County

Clerk's Office. They tell me at the time, it is impossible

to comply if it's a mandatèry law, because we have more

judges on the retention ballot than spaces on the machine.

MAen we were before the Elections' Committee, they asked

me to proceed with the Bill to use it as a vehicle in'case

they could make adjustments on the machine. And so, we'vemoved it through second and now on third. We hope that if

it went over to the Sehate, it would be held pending the

placement of the machines for the ability tc do it. We do

have problems with it as far as Cook is concerned. Because

unless it were pex-missive and unless we lzeld it in the

A..Q.I..Q.. .. > b, ''M..- 'r A G E N E l ). A jw A s S E M B L Yi V' 1 . 1, ; .I f ' ) ; ) > svwx.ct oc 1 uul-olsI r. (.sz ..c) .t..h$ * wt. . Housc o F' Ivcer4ustrN-rl'r 1 v rssX . 6t t j e xP

' e vr '

15l

Senate, they would not be able to comply with it. lleir

many voting machirzes would not be able to do it. So, if

tliere are any questions, I would be happy to answer them .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook , Mr. Shea-''

Gerald W. shea: think that we've got the Amendment workèd

out, Bob. Will you hold it until tomorrowz''

Robert S. Juckett: ''Okay.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Take 'it out of the record. 4573.''

Fredric B. Selcket ''House Bill 4573, a bill for an Act to

alend 'The Civil Administration Code'. Third reading of

the Bi11.''

Hon. W. Robert Blafr: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr .

Wolf.''

Jacob J. Wolf: 'îWe1l, Mr. Speaker and Members of the kouse,this Bill passed out of Committee, believe, unanimousdy.This makes a continuous study of the State Connunication .

problems. And it was amended to ah. . reinstate the fact

that the Department shall report its findings and recolœnen

dations annually to the General Assembly-''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? The gentleman from Cook,

Mr. Lechowicz.''

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: 'sYes, Mr. Speaker. Will the sponsor

yield to a question?''

Hon- W. Robert Blair: ''He .indicates hç will-''

Thaddeus S. Lechowiez: nAccording to the synopsis of the di-

gest, it also says that it removes Ehe requirement for the

Department of Develo . . v . Departlaent bf Devez.opment of Plan-

JD ,./8 : ---:V' c E N pz It A L A s s E M 1) L Y. ? . ... . ,t. j' '5 , , ) :. 12 h sx a x u o s I uu I x .' s1y %-) 'xg s4.2. ' ..xJ WJ . . biout%kD o $' F4 tDP çl fklltD :4+ A.'F 'NC E)1$41 I.-U'ZROV*

152

ning to centralized services. Is that correct, Jake?''

Jacob J. Wolfz didn't get that-''

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: ''Wel1, according to the digest- .

Thank you, Mà. Speaker. According to the digest, it also

removes the requirement for the Department to develop a

plan to centralized services. that correct?''

Jacob J. Wolf: ''Not that I'm aware of. lt's a very short Bil .

I've got it right in front cf me and all we're asking for.. .

Previously, we had enacted a Bill to conduct a study of

telephone and other communication problems and to develop

a comprehensive plan. Now, the comprehensive plan to co- '

ordinate and centralize has been completed and the Depart-

ment of General Services felt that they would just like tocontinue this stùdy. There is no appropriation. There is

no fiscal note required for it. I don't know of any opposi

tion to the Bi1l.''

Hon. W- Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Lachowicz .'

Thaddeus S Lechowicz : ''Mr . Speaker, ah . . is there an amendme t7 .

to this Bill. Jake.''

Jacob J. Wolf: .'Yes.... Amendment No. 1. Originally, we had

struck out the fact that the Department would not be re-

quired to report annually and by .lmendment in Committee,

we reinstated that paragraph. So', #hey are still required

to report to us.''

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: ''Alright.. Thank you. That's what

I'm seeing lacking in t he Bi11. Thank you.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further discussion? The question

e . '? . .--. % G jy N j.j jt A j. A s s E 1$1 8 L YI ? i u s . G

!! ) . .( à' i sv s. v tc o v l uu 1 rq o l st j ). ..$ u b' 'r. .h.i t . H ou sc o rr nspn csiz-'rA.'r 1 v us. st ' wwe

153

is# 'shall this Bill passep'. All those in favor will vote

'aye': and the opposed 'no'. Have all voted who wishêd?

' The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there

are l36 'Ayes', and no 'Nays', and this Bill having receive

the Constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. 378 .''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 3781, a bill for an Act to

amend the 'Vehicle Code'. Third reading of the Bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Winnebago, Mr.

Northa''

Frank P. North: ''We1l, Mr. Speaker/ Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, House Bill 3781 increases the amount of insuranc

or bond which must be carried by a leasing company or a

taxi cab operator. The new limits would be $50,000 qs .to

compare with the prior limits of $15,000 for the taxi cabs

or $25,000 for the leasing company. The old limits'are muc

too low and not adequate protection for the person who is

leasing the car or riding in the taxi cabs that are provide .

I know of no opposition to this Bill. I urge your support.'A

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Further discussion? The question is,

'shall House Bill 3781 pass?'. those in favor will vot

'aye' and the opposed 'no'. Have a11 Voted who wished?' .

The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there

are l33 'Ayes', and no 'Nays', and this Bill having receive

the Constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. 369 .''

Fredric B. Selcke: HHouse Bill 3697, a bill for an Act to ame d

'The Election Code'. Third reading of the Bill.''

Hoh. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mœ . Phil

: ... AI*$..a '. ) ? -.:-. ''y G E N E R A 1.. A S S E 51 B L Y' f If - : . .; , (. ; f .;, > svavc os , uuj,q ols

t ' e %. .rg# . h' .kky Yd . elokls? C:F I'AEPF' CGCNYATI %/ V:S. *! ' 0%*

154.

Collins-''

Phillip W. Collins: ''Yes, M< . Speaker and Ladies and Gentleme

of the House, House Bill 3697 is çather a simple Bill. It

ah.. merely extends to any ehallengcr or watcher in a pobli g

place the privilege of photographing activities within that

polling place. And I.. I would solicit your support of the

Bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The ah.. gentleman from Christian,

Mr. Tipsword.''

Rolland F. Tipsword: ''Would the. . weuld the gentleman yield

for a questicn, please?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates he will.''

Rolland F. Tipsword: ''Representative Coilins, does thisialso

include the use of of ah . . flash cameras and ah.. lighting

devices that might disturb the people' who are counting the

ballotsa''

Phillip W. Collins: ''AII.. Representative Tipsword, the Bill

would permit ah.. photographs to be taken within the pollinvMplace. Yes, not only could you photograph the ah . . the

Officials, but also ah.. the Officers and visitors and voti g

machines within the polling place-''

Rolland F. Tipsword: ''Well, now, of course, wouldn't be

possible to take pictures within the polling boothsa''

Phillip W. Collins: ''No. Of course not-''

Rolland F. Tipsword: ''But, but there would be no restriction

upon the ah.. disturbance it might cause to the ah .. judgesof election.''

x * - ', 'o . ' -- r) G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Yi t - ''

.' , ( j- ! ï r svax.s o 'r ' uu1 s otsl ) é ....% 7 % '': SSR.' . ' *

sI otg s E: o lr R Ep n 1: sc N 'r A 'r 1 v Es..*'.. . . $*%+

l55

Phillip W. Collins: ''There would be the same restrictions tha

are now upon ah.. watchers and challengers within the polli g

' place. The only addition would be that they would have the

privilege of ah.. having a camera with them and using

Rolland F. Tipsword: ''Would this also include television?''

Phillip W. collins: ''No.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Kosinksi.'

Roman J. Kosinski: ''Mr. Speaker, will the Sponsor yield to a

question?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates' he will-''

Roman J. Kosinski: ''P.

Phillip W. Collins: nYes,

Roman J. Kosinski: ''I'm not necessarily against this, but I

am curions as to the reusoning behind it. Now, ah.. I have

several questicn.. several question. To what purpose will

these photographs be put?''

Phillip W. Collins: ''Well, hopefully, they would not be put

to ah.. to ah.. any use. If there is nothing going on in

the polling places. As a matter of fact, they probably

wouldn't even have to use the cameras unless there was some

reason for photographing some activity tkat was considered

improper or illegal. They.. if there was something imprope

then, of course, they would go along with towards substan-

tiating any charges that may be leveled at any voting Offic'al.

Probably, this would be a great protection for any ah..

i that might be unfairly accused.''judge of elect onRoman Kosinski : ''Are photographs recorded visible evidente . ..

? ? : '' -' 2: G E N E It A L A S S E M 1$ L Yj. k: . . .l .t f . ' î sxavs ov- I t-u, Iu ois. h r Xt' . 36 .'7C ' '. va- . I.9 o u s !: o Fr 1: EPST: EsE N'r A.T 1 v Cs

f' '. -7.7 . % -%*

156

Phillip W. Collins: ''Yes, I believe they are.''

Roman J. Kosinski: ''Thank you.''' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Meyer.''

J. Theodore Meyer: ''Representative Collins, a question?''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Yes. He indicates he'll yield.''

J. Theodore Meyer: ''Representative Collins, would this Bill

have been... would this allov States' Attorney Hanrahan to

proceed with his photographic investigation in t hose cer-

tain City of Chicago precincts?''

Phillip W. Collins: ''I'm not familiar with his investigation.

Perhaps you should check with some.....''

J. Theodore Meyer: ''With the last election irregularities.n

Phillip W. Collins: ''Well, as I say, a1l I know is what T

read in the newspapers. I think that you would have to

check with him on that point.''

Hon. W . Rbbert Blair: ''The gentleman from ah.. Cook, >œ .

Yourell-''

Harry Yourell: ''Would the gentleman yield to a question?''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''He indicates he will.''

Harry Yourell: ''Phil, would these people who are using the

ah.. photographic equipment, would they be governed by all

of the provisions of 'The Electien Code' such as the pre-#

sentation of crodentials that are ah.. asked for by the

judge of elections?''

Phillip W. Collins: ''Yes. They would have to qualified ehal-

lengers or watchers as dofined within the present Law. you

would just be adding the camera to their qquipment.''

.&7'37;x* zo ., : - :: G E N E R A t. A S S E 51 B L Y

. ?' t.- -. . @i -z, - ) , ; à s 'r a 'r c o F I L t. I fNl o 1 t;$ @ v' , t' ithb- ..:'7 ' aousu os ncel.sstsuvavtvss'.,: -. . . -.. '' 1. ..19 J' & P

l 5 7 .

Hon . W . Robert Blair : ''The gentlema.n f roîq Cook , h1r . Arrigo . ''

Victor A . Arrigo z ''Will the gentleman yield for a question? ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yes. He says he wi1l.''

victor A. Arrigo: ''Are you aware, Mr. Collins, that there wer

a group of tyrants of the Bourbon House, of the Hqp sburg

House (Dynasty) and they ruled according to the three 'F's'

Are you adding another 'F' and may I elucidate...''

phillip w. collins: nPhotography starts with 'P'.''

Victor A. Arrigo: .'AH.. Just a minute, Sir. The Bourbon..

the Bourbon.. the Bourbon Hqpisburg had the rule of 'Feste'

'Farina' 'Furehe' and your adding 'Fotcl. It's the rule#

of Festivals, Flour, Hanging and now Photographs aimed at

the Hapl3burg Bourbon Rule according to your conception in

Chicago.'''

Phillip W. Collins: ''Ah.. I..I'm having enough difficulty' wikh Rule in the State of Illinois without worrying about

the Bourbons and' the Hap sburgs, if that makes you happy,

Mictor.p

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman from ah.. Macon, hœ .

Borchers.''

Webber Borchers: ''Ah.. Mr. Speaker and Fellow Members of the

House, this pains me no end to hâve to challenge the most

noble glorious Rule of the House of Ha# sburg. All theydid was marry Bourbons. They did not allow the Bourbons

to rule in any where in Italy. It fact, that was a fightin

offense. I hate to say'it.. to bring this matter up in

History must be properly vindicated. The Ha psburgs were

%b-' .* f ' 'x' , 25 '' .a1 ? ' -- 'k G E N E R A L A S S E M 11 L. Y? t . - ) . :. . .i ; f k. ; t, sva.' c or' 'uu,eeolsî

. . y f -: .: ? d H Qtl t; t: o 6 R L5 P 1: ECS E rq T A T l k EG. '#r . . N . . *

' ss1 .

he-men . 'Ifhey married tlle girls of Bourbon and took care of

them in other ways , but they didn ' t bother them in relation

to Ruling . ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''There being no further discussion, ihe

Chair recognizes the gentleman from Cook, Mr . Phil Collins, '

to close . ''

hillip Collins : ''Ah . . Mrl Speaker and Ladies and Gentle-P

men of the House, the risk of incurring the rath-of the

Bourbons and the Hapsburgs, I move fo'r a favorable Rcll Cal .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Have a1l... The questionqis, 'shall

House Bill 3697 passa'. All those in favor will vote 'aye',

and the opposed 'no'. Rayson.. 'aye'. Have all voted who

wished? Have all voted who wished? Houlihan.. 'The

Clerk will take the record. On this question, there are- .

The gentleman from Christian, Mr. Tipsword.n

Rolland F. Tipsword: ''Mr. Speaker, may I be recorded as

'Present'?''

i Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Record the gentleman as 'present'.

The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Collins.''

Phillip W . Collins: ''AK..Mr. Chairman... Mr. Speaker, I'm notI '

going to take the time of the House to poll the absentees,

but since is so close, would ask leave to postpone

consideration.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. Does the gentleman have

leave? Alright- postponed eonsideration. 3698..'

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House'Bill 3698, a bill for an Act to

amend 'The Election Code'. Third reading of the Bill.''

av.-;nj * ' , ..a.> % . ''t .? . ' M - G E N E R A L A S S E 51 B L Y(J ' . k .f l q2js .3 ; sv ,$ v c o s 1 u uj ,.j o js

! 6 .. .h . /4 ? N' . 'k . H f> t? s e: t7 &' Fe E E$ 1: tf 5 t: N T A 'r I Y! E f7

5l, bô%*

l59

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Phil

Collins.''

' Phillip Collins: ''hœ . Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, if you thought 3697 was a good Bill, you'll love

3698. Ah.. this would merely change the ah.. provisions

ah.. regarding instruction to voters ah.. to require that

instruction be given outside the polling booth.. Ah.. in

ah.. deference Yo it being ah.. ah.. assisted within the

ah.. polling 100th by two election officers. Also,

strikes in the matter of a physidally disabled voter where

the present law revolves ah.. ah.. ah.. requires ah.. assis -

ance from a relative, friend or the election cfficer. This

Bill strikes the 'friend' and leaves the requisite at 'rela

tive' or ah.. 'election officer'. I would solicit

your favorable consideration.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea.''

Gerald Shea: ''Will the Sponsor yield for a questiona''

Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''He indicates he wi1l.''ve

Gerald W. Shea: ''Phil, how do you handle of perscn that's

blind and want to vote' on a machine or a paper ballot?''

Phillip W. Collins: ''Ah.. Thgy ah.. still can have assistance

ah.. in the 100th, but ah- it mugt be from a relative or

one of the judges of election. We're merely striking that

'friend' that you can take in with you now.''

Gerild W. Shea: nYes, but your also saying by instruction out

side the 100th. Aren't you?''

Phi' llip W. Collins: '''rhat is any person ah.. who ah.. has to

g**v., J7- ..,o% h 'j : -. x ' ' . G E N E j ). A j. A g s E M j '; j. Y

i' z > v tI i '-r- t ) ' : s v s v c o s , u u 1 eq o 1 s)' . . , : . .y . ;J,)./ -. . s. 44 c ea cs u sl v a v I v ssv .'t , ylousc oN..,, sxb

160

ah- affix his signature with a marà. He cannot read the

English language. We go dosca... if you go down to line 17,. * jjand then y9u get. to the physical disability.

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Any further discussionr'

Phillip W. Collins: ''The Bourbons and the Hapsburgs have been

heard from again, nr. Speaker.''

Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Good. The gentleian from Cook. Mr.

B. B. Wolfe..''

Bernard B. Wolfe: ''Will the gentleman yield for a question,

please?''

Phillip W. Collins: ''sure.'' '

Bernard B. Wolfe: ''How does this affeet the voter who has a

jam in a voting machine and can't unlock a key, and wantsinstruction... or' assistance or whatever that board may re-

quire in order to continue his vote?''

Phillip W. Collins: ''Ah.. I thi.nk that ah.. that is already

covered in the ah.. Code. This is not an assistance voter

as defined, This would be a malfunetion in the machine and

that is already taken care of. Soe this doesn't make any

change there.''

Ijon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Maragos.''

samuel, c. Maragos: ''Wi'll the Sponsor yield to a question?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates hm will.''

Samuel C. Maragos: nRepresentative Collins, assuming for a

minute that you had a woman whé is 03 ypars old, could hard y

speak the English language and ah . . the only one who could

talk her language in the board would be her husband or her

xx h -2 1 & ' ' f,x.w* ) vt -- w ':. c jï x jï jt A 1. A s s E M 1) L Yk/ t .j. .. : ,'( t cL ..). -.v - ' svxxu o,, , uuls o,s

hk - ' i .)? .z'.' - .x. Jt . H o ta sc o p' n ti e ,4 estl I':'T A.T I v esît ' s*'

l6l

daughter or her son. How would that Bill cover her votinll :

privileges under this Amendment?''' Phillip W . Collins: ''You mentioned relatives-''

Samuel C. Maragos: ''Yes.''

Phillip W . eollins: î'We1l, relatives are not stricken here.

It ' s the f ri end that is stricken . ''

samuel c. Maragos: ''Oh.. Relatives are not stricken?''

Phillip W. Collins: ''No.''

Samuel C. Maragos: ''What if she has no relatives?''

Phillip W. Collins: ''Well than, she can still receive instruc

tion from the ah..judges of election. She can outside the

booth.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further diseussion? The question

is, 'shall this Bill pass?'. All those in favor will vote

'aye' and the opposed 'no'. Have a11 voted who wished?ê

The Cl/rk will take the record. On this question, there...'

The gentleman from Cooke Mr. J. J. Wolf.''

Jacob J. wolf: ''Mr. speaker, I just want to briefly explain

my vote. I.. I can't understand the hesitancy to voke for

this Bill. Ah.. it doesn't prohibit anybody from getting

legitimate instruction. I think that we're all for fair

odds in elections no matter what.part of the State it's

in. And, I think that it's no mcre than right for a person

to be able to go in behind that curtain and cast a vote

the way they which... the way they wish to cast it without

any intimidation from a.precinct committeeman, precinct

captain or anyone else. I think that this is only more

tbLjzuL'x ' . fux% zp . ., : --. .. c E N jy R A L. A s s E 51 1$ L, Y

, ;ï là -' s . , '.l ;' f 2t . t ?' ' ' s'r A.'r e o F' ; ul- I hl o Is!. ?' 'S.Y ' .t ' ;;/, . H o ta s tq o F 1: 1: Fi n E s t: eq T A. 'r I v E s'. at j z.b*

l62

than fair. It's sensible legislation that instruction be

igiven outside of the cuptain and allow tbat person to go n

by themselves and pull the levers the way they see fit. An

ld li'ke to see some more green lights on the board. ''I wou

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright.. This Bill having failed to

receive a constitutional majority is hereby declared lost.

With leave of tke House, welll go to Agreed Resolutions.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Résolution 628, Epton, et-al.- House Resolution 629, Clabaugh, et.al. House Resolution

630, Wall. House Resolution 631, Hirschfeld. House Resolu

tion 632, Hirschfeld. House Resolution 633, Diprima. Hous

Resolution 634, Choate, et.al. House Resolution 635, Gene

Hoffman, et.al. House Resolution 636 Choate, et-al. Hous#

'

Resolution 637,... Who's the S/nnsor of that? Yeah..House Joint Resolution 1*35 Rose, et-al. Mqqo's the Sponsor!

.

of that Assassination?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from ah.. Cook, Mr.

.Hyde.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''Ah.. the Agreed Rqsolutions, Mr. Speaker.

House Resolution 628 bqstows congratulations upon rabbis,

officers and members of K.A.M. Isaiah Israel Congregation.

House Resolution 629 resolves that members of school boards

sehool administrators, teacher, college and university

administrators and others be encouraged to study and be-

come infprmed regarding mass media instruction by technolog

by al1 means available to them. House Resolution 630.

the House joins family and friends i'h congratulating Jay

----0 . '% >v . ,j ... .' .? . --- r G E N E R A L A S S E 51 (3 L. Yi' ï ' . i .t a j ;) f '4: . s'r avc ty IJ 1 uuj fq o I sh ! j; ttzj .:.: ' '. , .Xk ' ' 4. t . i4 o u s c o 6 R E e' >' c s r.; N T A T 1 v E s. . A ' oxe

(:2IL...tlsii!i'....''::!1.

Mamon of Troop 421, Boy Scouts of America, for beeoming

an Eagle Scout. House Resolution 631, congratulates Ruth

Sheuring of Urbana. House Resolution 632, congratulates '

Mrs. Merle Patterson. House Rcsolution 633, ah.. congratulctes

Anthony Girolami on the occasion of the Mazzini-verdi

Club's Testimonial Dinner. House Resolution 634, is a

death Resolution. Ah.. a Memorial to David Chesrow. House

Resolution 635, congratulates Earl Whipple. House Resolu-

tion 636, I will take the liberty of reading upon request.

WHEREAS, Monday May 15, 1972, marks the auspicious oceasion

of the 70th birthday of Mayor of Chicago, the Honorable

Richard Daley; and

WHEREAS, Mayor Daiey's long and most distinguised career as

a public servant has included terms in the House ok Repre-

sentatives and the Senate of the General Assembly, he Was '

County Comptroller of Cook County and Director of Revenue

before becoming Mayor of the Great City of Chicago ; and

. WHEREAS Mayor Richard J. Daley ' s life story is 'one of deep

and abiding personal commitment to the high calling of pub-

lic servant and to the American ideals we in this body so

deeply cherish; therfore, be it

RESOLVED, By the House of Representatives of the Seventy-

seventh General Assembly of thm State of Illinois, that we

are pleased on this day to extend pur most sincere best

wishes to the Honorable Richard J. Daley of Uhicago cn the

e e lebration o f his 70 th bi rthday; Eha t we j o in with a 11 hi s

friends and as soc i at es in wishing him many happy returns o f

-- dapp-apa Bo 1p f'x4me1nn =. .'-J !-i1'; ,.a

? . ? : -' -> :k G E N E R A L A S S E M 11 L Yj k:1, - .) ;. kt jt.x ' ( ' s 'r A. 'r 1 o rz I u u j N o 1 sî / .J .k, ùttl T. * s o u se o c R e: p 14 ss r pl'r zs 'r 1 v E s

: ' %ql i . .... . te

164 .

RESOLVED, That a suitable copy of this preaznble apd resolu-

tion ie f oN arded to the ' Honorable Richard J . Daley, Mayor. Nv .

of the City of Chicago.

House Joint Resolution 135, congratulates Archaeologist

Stuart Struever and his co-workers. And now, Ladies and

Gentlomen of the House, House Resolution 637 reads as' follo s:

WHEREAS, Governor George C. Wallace, a capdidate for the

presideney of the United States, was today shot down wbile

exercising his right to campaign for our highest public

office; and '

WHEREAS, this attempted assassination constituted an immora

attack on the most basic democratic right, to wit, the

right of a people to choose freely the men to govern them;

be it therefore

RESOLVED, By the House of Representatives of the 77th Gener' 1

Assembly of the State of Illinois, that we strcngly condem' n .

this attempt to-''assassinateGovernor George C. Wallace, that

Qe wish Governor Wallace a speedy recovery so that he may

resume the exercise of his rights as he sees fit .and that a

suitable copy of this Resolution be transmitted immediately

.to the family of Governcr George C. Wallace. I now move

adoption of the Agreed Resolutions-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''All those in favor of the Agreed

l tions say 'aye' o'pposed 'no'' the 'ayes' have it audReso u . ,

the Agreed Resolutions are adopted. Are there further

Resolutions?

-Jcku:79@k -'- -: y 1 -- -> '-. G E N E R A L A S S E 51 B 1- YI ;; kp -! $ .

2 l k )t' z lv A q. rc o e' I u u 1 r4 o : sk - -. . .k ' llt/ ..'' uou ss orz n c!,I1 ssrtrqvl'l'lvcsNN ., ' :sea>

165.

Henry HYde: OAK.. Mr. Speaker, may I now move that the

PrOViSiOnS Cf Rule 32 ('b) and (c) ah.. have a reference to'

the final date for the reading and passage of non-exempt

Bills be suspended so that we may have Third Reading and

Passage of non-exempt Bills tomorrow.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Well, alright. But. we're taking

this by Roll Call. So, a1l those in favor of that motion

will vote 'aye' and the opposed 'no'. Have al1 voted who

wished? The Clerk will take the reco'rd. 145 'Ayes', and

no 'Nays', and the gentleman's motion prevailq. Now, there

are one or two items here before we adjourn that ah.. weneed to address ourselves to. On the order of Constitution

al Fauendments second Reading appears H.J.R.C.A. *13. ' Wbuld

the Clerk read that by title.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Joint Resolution Constitutional

Amendmônt *l3 ah.. Second reading of the Resolution.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Third reading. On the order of Second

Reading there are two Bills with leave of the House. 4155.'.

Fredric B. selcke: ''House Bill 4155, a bill for an Act to ame

'The Election Code'. Second reading of the Bill. No Com-

mittee Amendments.n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any Amendments from the floor? Third

reading. 4208.,'

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4208, a bill for an Act to

amend 'The School Code'. Second reading of the Bi11. No

committee Amendments-''

Hon . W . Robert Blair : ''Any M endments f rom the f loor? Third

. 'Q'R ':4. - - ,.c o Is x Iï u A j- A s s p) M B k. vt' .? t ;;j' ? - . :. # ! svavu o. 'uuls,olsf tl . ,1 t '$x.- .:tt,z' ' 'xouss os rzced,rrscxvxv,vus%' dz . h*

:

l66

Reading, and there is one further bill on Third Reading we

' want to call back. On the order of Third Reading appears

House Bill 4595 on which the gentleman from Will, Mr.

O'Brien askeè leave to call back to Second for purposes of

Amendment. Hearing no cbjection, the Clerk will read the

Amendment.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4595, Geotge O'Brien, Amendmen'

. No. 2, amend. printed House Bill 4595 on page 1....11

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Will, Mr. O'Brien.''

George M. o'Brien: ''Mr. speaker and Members of the House, the

ah-u provision cf this Amendment merely provides for a <

hearing on a master plan by the pecple affected by it be-

fore it goes to the Gcvernor for his approval. I would '

' a reciate a '''i ''''' '''''

'

.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A1l those in favor of the adoption of

the Amendlent say 'aye' oppgsed 'no' the 'ayes' have it .ê #' #

and the Amendment is adopted. Third reading. Intrqduction .''

Fredric B Selcke: ''House Bill 4664, choate, et.alw amends>

'The School Code'. First Reading of the Bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Randolph, Mr.

! ' Springere for one announcement-''

Norbert G. Springer: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, the organization hustle Fho had invited various

legislatures from the Southern part of the State had schedu ed

a Meeting for tomorrow night and it has been poskponed ti1

May the 23rd. Thank. you.''' Hon . W. llobert Blair : '' Tlze gentleman f rom Cook , Mr . Hyde . ''

ë J #,.: 3 : '<. e G E N E It A L A S S E M B L, Y11 - -

. ?7 ; 21 . ' sv . v t: o s $ u u I s, o I sî tx . .k v:kJ n'. ' i,ouss os nsessssuvaxlvcs

l67 .' r a' Ilycle : now move , Mac . spealter, that tlzis House stanIlen y .

adjouvned until the hour of 9:30 A.M. tomcrrow morning-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A1l those favor of the gentleman's .

motion say 'aye' opposed 'not the 'ayes' have it and the; #

'

Hou s e s tands ad j ourned . ''

Adjournment at 7:30 O'Clock P.M.

5/15/72mes

y': '! . -- - k ('; E N E R A L A S S E 51 1) L Yt..w . . - z .@ tk . . : . j

cj je j u u. j p# (a j s' ., . j . s 'r A 'r !î-. , hk . u : .h. . u z .r. . . ., ousu oe Ie cearsscsvAv'v csN %t. &.q*