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Greek Tragedy Origins: Between the 6th century and the 5th century B.C. Context: concern with explaining evil evil The tragedy tragedy sees evil evil as a part of human part of human nature nature, which Partakes and aspires to the Divine (but also) Destroys the Divine Evil results from cosmic violence cosmic violence. Curses/Fate/Oracle Curses/Fate/Oracle But the tragedy also introduces the notion of responsibility responsibility -Good and bad seem to be accidental accidental (but) Innocence does not eliminate responsibility . We are both determined by the past and present agents of our life in the Polis (Polis Universe).

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Page 1: Greek Tragedy Origins: Between the 6th century and the 5th century B.C. evilContext: concern with explaining evil tragedyevil part of human natureThe tragedy

Greek Tragedy• Origins: Between the 6th century and the 5th century

B.C.• Context: concern with explaining evilevil • The tragedytragedy sees evil evil as a part of human naturepart of human nature,

which– Partakes and aspires to the Divine (but also)– Destroys the Divine– Evil results from cosmic violencecosmic violence.

• Curses/Fate/OracleCurses/Fate/Oracle

But the tragedy also introduces the notion of responsibilityresponsibility-Good and bad seem to be accidentalaccidental

(but) Innocence does not eliminate responsibility.

We are both determined by the past and present agents of our life in the Polis (Polis Universe).

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Sophocles’ “Theban Plays”• General, priest, member of Athenian government • Contests. Sophocles began by defeating Aeschylus.

• Antigone (written 442-441 B.C.)• Oedipus the King (written circa 427 B.C.)• Oedipus at Colonus (written 405 B.C.)

• Logical sequence: – Oedipus the King, – Oedipus at Colona, – Antigone

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Antigone– Member of a Cursed genealogy (Antigone is

one of the four children King Oedipus had with his wife/mother Jocasta).

Characters: Antigone Ismene

Creon, King of Thebes Eurydice (Creon’s wife) Haemon (Creon’s son) Teiresias, the blind prophet Guard (watching the corpse of Polyneices) First Messenger Second Messenger, from the house Chorus of Theban Elders

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Plot

• Antigone and Ismene’s two brothers, Eteocles and Polyneices, have died in battle.

• King Creon orders to honor Eteocles, who has died defending Thebes, and to leave Polyneices (who has fought against Thebes) unburied.

• Antigone defies Creon’s decree twice.

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Creon:“…I here proclaim to the citizens about Oedipus’ sons. For Eteocles, who died this city’s champion, showing his valor’s supremacy everywhere, he shall be buried in his grave with every rite of sanctity given to heroes under earth.

However, his brother, Polyneices, a returned exile, who sought to burn with fire from top to bottom his native city, and the gods of his own people; who sought to taste the blood he shared with us, and lead the rest of us to slavery—I here proclaim to the city that this man shall no one honor with a grave and none shall mourn.

You shall leave him without burial; you shall watched him chewed up by birds and dogs and violated.

Such is my mind in the matter; never by me shall the wicked man have precedence in honor over the just. But he that is loyal to the state in death, in life alike, shall have my honor.”

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Antigone.

• Antigone…can you think of any of all the evils that stem from Oedipus that Zeus does not bring to pass for us, while we yet live? (…)Don’t you notice when the evils due to enemies are headed towards those we love?

IsmeneNot a word, Antigone, of those we love, either sweet or bitter, has come to me since the moment when we lost our two brothers, on one day, by their hands dealing mutual death (20).

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Antigone:

“Yes, indeed: for those two brothers of ours, in burial has not

Creon honored the one, dishonored the other?(...) for

whoever breaks the edict death is prescribed, and death by

stoning publicly”.

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Ismene

“Would you bury him, when it is forbidden the city?”

Antigone:“At least he is my brother –and yours,

too, though you deny him. I will not prove false to him”. (50)

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Ismene

“I will not put dishonor on them, but to act in defiance of the citizenry, my nature does not give me means for that”. (90)

Antigone.

“Let that be your excuse. But I will go to heap the earth on the grave of my loved brother”.

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• Antigone“No. When I can no more, then I will stop.” 

• Ismene“If you can do it. But you are in lovewith the impossible.” 

• Ismene.“It is better not to hunt the impossibleat all.”

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Creon

“Now here I am, holding all authority and the throne, in virtue of kinship with the dead.It is impossible to know any man-I mean his soul, intelligence, and judgment- until he shows his skill in rule and law.” (190)

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Creon

“I would not count any enemy of my country as a friend –because of what I know, that she it is which

gives us our security.”

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Creon

“You there, that turn your eyes upon the ground, do you confess or deny what you

have done?” 

Antigone”Yes, I confess; I will not deny my deed.”

 (…)

Creon“And did you dare to disobey that law?”

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Antigone:

“…it was not Zeus that made the proclamation; nor did Justice, which lives with those below, enact such laws as that, for mankind. I did not believe your proclamation had such power to enable one who will someday die to override God’s ordinances, unwritten and secure.

They are not of today and yesterday; they live forever; none knows when first they were. These are the laws whose penalties I would not incur from the gods, through fear of any man’s temper.”

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Creon“My enemy is still my enemy,

even in death.” 

Antigone“My nature is to join in love, not

hate.”

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• Chorus

• “But for those whose house has been shaken by Godthere is never cessation of ruin;it steals on generation after generation…No generation frees another, some god strikes them down; there is no deliverance.”(640)

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 Creon

“The man the city sets up in authoritymust be obeyed in small things and in

just but also in their opposites.(…) There is nothing worse than There is nothing worse than

disobedience to authoritydisobedience to authority.It destroys cities, it demolishes homes;

it breaks and routs one’s allies. Of successful lives the most of them are

saved by discipline.”

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HaemonHaemon

“A man who thinks that he alone is right,or what he says, or what he is himself,unique, such men, when opened up, are seen to be quite empty. For a man, though he be wise, it is no shame to learn –learn many things, and not maintain his views too rigidly. (740)  

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Creon“Should the city tell me how I am

to rule them?(…)

Must I rule the land by someone else’s judgment rather than my

own?” 

Haemon“There is no city possessed by

one man only.”

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Chorus

“But there is some terrible power in destiny and neither wealth nor war

nor tower nor black ships, beaten by the sea, can give escape from it.”

What is Destiny? What is its relation to power?

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Teiresias.“…you will not outlive many cycles more of this

swift sun before you give in exchange one of your own loins bred, a corpse for a corpse, for you have thrust one that belongs above below

the earth, and bitterly dishonored a living soul by lodging her in the grave; while one that belonged indeed to the underworld gods you have kept on this earth without due share of rites of burial, of due funeral offerings, a corpse unhallowed. With

all of this you, Creon, have nothing to do, nor have the gods above. These acts of yours are

violence on your part.”

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Or

Creon Antigone

Law of the City Divine Law

Written Law Unwritten Law

Moral Order: human law. Ethical order: law that makes individuals into humans

Concern with the earthly order, with politics.

Concern with a trascendent order (that has political consequences)

Patriarchy Women’s power

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Aristotle (Rhetoric)• Just and unjust actions:• “…defined relatively to two kinds of law… By the

two kinds of law I mean particular law and universal law. Particular law is that which each community lays down and applies to its own members: this is partly written and partly unwritten. Universal law is the law of Nature. (…)It is this that Sophocles' Antigone clearly means when she says that the burial of Polyneices was a just act in spite of the prohibition: she means that it was just by nature.

Not of to-day or yesterday it is, But lives eternal: none can date its birth”

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 What is Destiny? How do power and fate relate

to each other?

What is tragic about tragedy?

How do Creon and Antigone respectively illuminate our understanding of power?

Who is right and who is wrong? Why? How are they right and wrong?

Who is more democratic? Why?

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• The truth lies hidden and broken into pieces (puzzle). Foucault on Oedipus.

• Multiple voices, all of them necessary to discover the truth.

• As in life, both the beginning and the end are previously known; the crucial difference lies in the trajectorytrajectory.

• Dilemmas between truth, power, and duty (Oedipus, Creon)

• Paradoxes:– Power makes us blind.– Blindness allows us to see further (Tiresias)– Proximity between salvationsalvation and destructiondestruction

Greek Tragedy