exclusively, ali cherkaoui is talking to us from the shoot
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Exclusively,AliCherkaouiistalkingtousfromtheshoot,intheTunisiandesertofAnthonyWaller's=ilm"NineMilesDown"withAdrianPaul,NickNolteandKateNauta...Healsotalkingtousabout"BenjaminGates2"whichhasjustbeenreleasedincinemasandthe=ilmcurrentlyinpost-production,"TheHappening"directedbyM.NightShyamalan
Firstofall,whatistheworkofanassistantdirector?
Thatverytermof“AssistantDirector“canbemisleading...Fortheneophyte,thiscanbeconfusingandsuggeststhatheisakindof“director-to-be“or“personalassistanttothedirector“…Infact,theFirstAssistantDirectorisoneoftheproductionexecutivesservingtheBilmasitisenvisionedbythedirector(andnot-nuance-atthepersonalserviceofthedirector).
HismainmissionistocompletelyrelievehimfromtheentireorganizationofBilmingandcoordinationsothathecandedicatehimselfcompletelytothe‘mise-en-scene‘ofhisBilm.(NottobeconfusedwiththelogisticsoftheBilm:managementofthesets,basecamps,meals,travel,crewtransport&accommodation...etc...whichareundertheresponsibilityoflocationsandproductiondepartments)
Itisthereforeajobthatstarts,ingeneral,atleastontheBirstdayofpreparationoftheBilmandendsonthelastdayofBilming.
TheBirstassistant-director’sBirstmissionistogenerateascriptbreakdownandashootingschedule.
ThescriptbreakdownisatranslationoftheartisticelementsofthescreenplayintechnicalresourcesandspeciBicdemandsforeachdepartment(artdepartment,props,costumes,camera,stunts,picturevehicles,specialeffects...etc...)
Onceestablished,itispossibletogenerateallsortsoflistsanddocumentsallowingagoodfollowupoftheBilmpreparation:castlists,bitslist(forcasting),setslist(tofollowupthelocationscoutingprocess),breakdownsdetailingtheextrasforeachscene,picturevehicles,specialeffects...etc...Allthisisthengroupedinasortofbigbiblecalled“TheGeneralBreakdown"oftheBilm("ScriptBreakdown"inEnglish).
Onanotherside,theshootingscheduleisakindoflargeprojectedplanningoftheBilmshoot.TheBirstassistantdirector'smissionistoestimatefromascreenplay,thetimerequiredtoshoottheBilmandtoorganizeshootdaysaccordingtothemainparameters:groupingsofthesets&locations,castmembers,dayshoot,nightshootthensecondaryparametersthatarespeciBictotheBilm:asforexample,certaintechnicalrequirements,specialeffects,stunts,etc...
Thiscanbecomearealheadachewhenoppositeparameterscomeintoplayandyouhavetobearmedwithgreatqualitiesofpatience,logicandreBlectiontogettolookatthingsclearlyatsometimesandtoissuea“compromise“shootingschedule.
Fromtheverybeginningofthepreparation,theFirstAssistantoverseesandsupervisestheresearchoftheBilmsets(‘locationsscouting'),evenifthistaskismoreandmoreentrustedtoprofessionalscoutsandhecanbeincharge,onsomeBilms,ofexecutingorsupervisingthecastingofsmallparts,silentbits...ThemaincastingprocesshasbeenforseveralyearsnowentrustedtotheArtisticDistributionManagers,commonlynamed:CastingDirectors.
Duringtheshoot,itistheFirstAssistantDirectorwhosupervisesthetechnicalandartisticteamoftheBilmandcoordinatestheworkofthedifferentdepartmentsonset.HehastomakesurethattherightinformationBlowsandcoordinationisworkingoutbetweendepartmentsforasuccessfulshotorscene...
Asperhisposition,heisalsoendsupplayingtheroleofa“tightropewalker“betweentheartisticdemandsofthedirectorandthebudgetlimitationsoftheBilmandmustoftenproposepracticalalternatives.Asanexample:Adialoguescenebetweentwocharactersarrivingbytrain...TheBinancialconsequencesarenotthesameifthesceneishappeningonthestationplatformwithanarrival,oncamera,ofatrainandactorscomingdownfromthesametrainastheyaretalking(here:itwouldbenecessarytorent"atrain"forthescene)orinthecentralhallofthestationwithseveralhundredsextrasorinasimplerway:outsidethestation(wherewecould,maybe,getawaywithit,usingafewdozenextrasandafewpicturevehicles)…
TheFirstAD,inline,withtheproducerandthebudgetlimitationsoftheBilm,mustalsobeabletoproposealternativesandaskthedirectorabouthisartisticprioritiessothathecanchoosewhatismostimportantforhis‘mise-en-scene’.
Inshort,givehimallcardsinhandtobeabletoarbitrateachoicewithBinancialconsequences...(Thismoneyspent,thereinoneday,wouldnotbemoreusefulelsewhere?additionalBilminggearoranadditionaldayofshoot….ormoreextrasthisonthisorthatday?)
“IthinkI'mveryluckytomakealivingoutofajobthatallowsmetoliveasmanydifferentlivesinonesamehumanlife…“
The1stADdoesnotworkalone,ofcourse.HeisassistedinhistaskbyoneormoreSecondAssistant(s)andThirdAssistant(s)and/orTraineesdependingonthesizeorcomplexityoftheBilm…AttimeswhenBilmingtakesplaceinseveralcountriesorincludesextremelylargebackgroundscenes,forexample,theassistantdirectorsteamcouldincludemorethanadozenpeople...
Youhaveworkedongreatmasterpiecesofworldcinema:Kundun,Munich,BlackHawkDown,Gladiator,TheMummy,Alexander,whatdidthisbringyouintermsofexperienceandpersonalful>illment?
Theseareverydifferentadventuresandeachofthemhasbeenextremelyrewarding.FirstformeetingwithgreatBilmpersonalities:MartinScorsese,StevenSpielberg,RidleyScott,OliverStone...
ThenbecauseeachoneoftheseBilmshasimmersedme,forseveralmonthsintoauniverse,aworldthatIwouldnothavehadthechancetoapproachotherwise.
IthinkI'mveryluckytomakealivingoutofajobthatallowsmetoliveasmanydifferentlivesinonesamehumanlife…
Imagine:youdivein,5monthsintheworldofTibetfromthe1920stothe1960sfollowingthelifeoftheDalaiLama,thenyouliveseveralweeksinthemiddleofthegladiatorbattlesofAncientRometoBindyourselfonedayinthemiddleofthecivilwarinSomaliain1993inthemiddleofSomalisnipersonrooftopsandUSelitetroopscomingdownfromhelicopters,fast-ropingwhileotherhelicoptersBlyoverthebuildingrooftopsatlow-rise…
Attimesinthemidstofalltheworkloadandresponsibilities,Isometimesexperiencegreatmomentsofmagicandfeellikeaneternalbigchild.
ButpersonalfulBillmentalsocomesfromsmallBilms,smallhumanexperiencesinnewcountries,peoplesandculturesthatwediscoverandnotnecessarilynecessarilyonbigbudgetmachineswithgreatdirectors.
Alittleoverayearago,Ifoundmyself,fromdaytoday,inasmalltowninthecenteroftheEx-YugoslavRepublicofMacedonia,betweenKosovotothenorth,AlbaniatotheWestandBulgariatotheEast.BeforelandinginSkopje,IhaveconfessthatIbarelyhadtimetolookatwherethiscountrywasonthemap...AndalthoughtheBilmwasmadewithsmallresources,quitespartanaccommodationanddifBicultworkingconditions,Ihaveexperiencedthereoneofthemostbeautifulandrewardingexperiencesofmycareer.
IfoundmyselfinthemiddleofamultinationalteamwithBelgians,French,Persian,Macedonian,Slovenian,Albanian,Bulgarianpeople…
ThisBilm("IamfromTitovVeles"byTeonaMitevska)remainstothisdayoneofmymostmovinghumanexperiences.Ittaughtmethehumilityandrespect,weshouldhavewhenarrivingfromwesternornortherneuropeancountries,havingtodealwithlocalcrewsthatcouldbelessexperiencedinsomepositionsandwhenweneedtoBindsolutionstogethertomaketheBilmsuccessful...OurworkinglanguagewasEnglish,butthemoviewasshotinMacedonian,IpromisedmyselfwhenIarrivedtolearn300wordsinthislanguageinorderformetobeabletomanagethesetandextraswithoutbeingconsideredasakindofconquerorfromtheWest...
Andintermsofrelationships?
EachBilmisanestBilledwithnewencountersthatoftengeneratefutureprojects:asortofinBinite,interminablechainaslongasweremainactiveinthebusiness.
MartinScorsese'sKundun,whichwasmyBirstfeatureBilm,wasrichinBirstcontactsthatallowedmetobuildaBirstnetworkofconnections.
AndifIwasabletoworkonStevenSpielberg's"Munich"almost9yearslater,itisthankstoachainofpeoplethatIhavemetsince1996andwhohaveputmeintouchwithotherpeoplewhoeventuallycalledmein,9yearslaterfortheshootinginFranceof"Munich".
Forthemovie"NineMilesDown"thatIamcurrentlyshootingintheTunisiandesert,Iwasputintouchwiththedirectorbythecinematographer:RogerSimonszwithwhomI
haveworkedon"SexandtheCity"in2003.ThenwhoImetagainon"TheDevilwearsPrada"in2005orlastSeptemberinParisonM.NightShyamalan’sBilm.
Weworkwithpeople,welosesightofthem,wemeetthemagainoneday.Weexchangeourtips,ourcontacts,ourinfosontheprojectsandonedayortheotherthephoneringstotellyouthatyouaretravellingtotheothersideoftheworld,lessthan48hourslater.
Inthisbusinessevenaminorencounterisimportant.IthashappenedtometowonderwhyIwasonsuchachaoticanddifBicultBilm,andtounderstandafterthatitwassimplytomeetthisorthatperson.AndeveniftheBilmingitselfmayhavebeenunpleasantorbroughtnothingconcretetome,theencountersmadeduringtheprojectgeneratesalargesourceofnewrelationships.
Whichdirectorhasimpressedyouthemost?
ProbablyMartinScorseseon"Kundun".FirstbecauseIfoundmyselfina"Golden"positionattheverybeginningofmycareer.
IhadfoughttotrytogetajobonthisBilm,amongtheassistantdirectorsteam,“squatting“duringseveraldaystheOuarzazateStudios.AndthankgodIfailedbecauseIwouldhavegottenapositionoftraineeassistantdirector,severaldozenmetersfromthegreatmaster.Returningempty-handedtoCasablanca,IendedupbeingcalledbytheItalianproducerwhoofferedmetobeinchargeofthevideoplaybacksystemforMr.Scorsesehimself.Icouldnotdreamanybetter...
OnmyBirstfeatureBilm,freshlyoutofBilmschool,IhadthechancetoBindmyselfsitting3metersbehindScorsese,fornearly18weeks.Iwasoneof3or4rareprivilegedpeopletoseehim,work,hearhimcommentanddiscusstheshotswithhiscinematographer,hisBirstassistantdirectororhisscriptsupervisor...SuchanencounterandexperiencemarksyouforeveranditisverydifBiculttoforgetit,even11yearsafter...
Anditwasarealpleasuretoseehimworking,talkingabouthisshots,hisintentions,hispastBilmsandthecinemaingeneral:areal,privateandprivileged,cinemalesson.
Youhavealsoworkedonforeignproductions.DopeopleworkthesamewayinMorocco?
Theworkingmethodsaregenerallythesame.Whatchangesaretheproductionmeans...Workingonlargeproductionsteachesyouhowtohandlelargernumbersofextras,picturevehicles,ahighernumberofBilmtechnicians,whichforceyoutobeveryorganized.Becausetheslightestmistakecanbecomeseriousorcostly,asitcanbequicklyde-multipliedbythescaleoftheBilm.Tobesincere,whatsometimeslacksinMoroccoisthepermanent,systematicrigor.Itcanbenecessary,sometimes,toputalotmoreenergyandarmoneselfwithtenacitytofollowupwiththingstonotleavetheminaworldofApproximationsorInsh’Allah.
CinemaandBilmmakingrequiresprecisionworkandtheslightestnegligencecanhavedisastrousBinancialconsequences;carelessnessandfatalismdonotbelongtothatplace.
Andthereisoneelementonwhichwecannotaffordtolackrigor:thecreworcastsafetyonset:fromthesmalleststuntactionorcardrivingbytothebiggestBilmscenewithexplosions,weaponsorhelicoptersBlyingover...
Somehowyouarethemainsupervisoronset?
That'sright.Inorderforthedirectortodevotehimselffullytohismise-en-scene,withouthavingtoworryaboutorganizationalorpracticalproblems...
The1stADisthereforeoneofthecentralpiecesonset.HeistheonewhocoordinatesthenecessaryelementsrequiredfortheBilmingofashot,ascene,hewhosupervisesthecrew,givestheliferhythmoftheshoot.Itishewhomakessurepeoplerespectthesilenceonset,callsoutthe“Roll“wheneverybodyisreadytoturnoverandthesafetyconditionsaremet.ItishewhomanagesthetrafBicontheset(whoshouldinterveneonthisorthat?when?)whileconstantlymonitoringhiswatchinorderto,dayafterday,shootwhathasbeenplannedontheproductionschedule.
Oneoftheessentialqualitiesrequiredfora1stAssistantDirectorishisabilitytoanticipateandplanaheadtherequirementsofthenextshot,thenextscene,thenextday...etc...
Anticipate,anticipateagain,alwaysanticipatetherequirementsofadayorascenelongtimebeforeshootingit.Tomakesurethatthenecessarymeansforitsrealizationarepresentandfunctionperfectlyatthekeymoment,whilehavingforeseenalternativesolutionsifsomeelementsgowrong(whatRalphSingleton,greatAmerican1stADusedtocommonlycall,inEnglish:”CYA"(CoverYourAss.)
RalphSingleton,oneofAmerica'sleadingBirstassistantdirectors,whoworkedwithSydneyPollackon"ThreeDaysoftheCondor"orFrancisFordCoppolaon“TheConversation"quotesinoneofhisbooks“FilmScheduling“,3goldenrules:
1stRule:IfinDoubtAsk!2ndRule:
NeverAssumeAnything!3rdRule:
Alwayscoveryourself,Planalternativesolutions(AlwaysC.Y.A:CoveryourAss)
Aboveontheshootingofthe:ilmMarock,
Below,AliCherkaouiincompanyofNightShyamalan(wearingaredcap)inParis,attheTuileriesGarden.
Everydetailisimportant,andshouldnotbeneglected.Asimpleprop:aweapon,apen,acupoftea,aforgottenpicturevehicle,neglectedcouldcompromiseordelaythecompletionofashotandendupjeopardizingadayofBilmingwiththeBinancial
consequencesthatcanresult.AsaFirstAD,duringpreporBilming,Ihavetoprocesshundredsandhundredsofinformationsperday.Thenhavetoredistributethemtotherightpeopleandfollowupthegoodexecutionofthetasksofeachdepartment.
Withoutbeingasharpspecialistofeachcraft,itisnecessarytogloballyknowalltheBilmpositionsinordertotransmitinformationandsupervisetheworkofothertechnicians.NoneedtosaythatyouhavetoknowhowtoremaincalmandfocusedontheprioritieswithoutbeingdraggedbythemadnessandthestressthattheBilmingofascenecangenerates.
Beyondthiscentralpositiononset,Iamalsoinchargeofthemanagementandthemise-en-sceneofthebackgroundaction.ThedirectorisfocusingonthetechnicalrealizationoftheBilmandactorsdirection.The1stADsetsupanddirects,forhim,thebackgroundartists(theextras).Thedirectorcanthenfreely,ofcourse,adjustthedirectionofthebackgroundaction,byaskingthe1stADtocorrectcertainelements.
InEnglish,theExtrasareoftenrightlynamed:"Atmosphere"becauseitisoftenaboutrecreatinganatmosphere,anambiancebyestablishingthelifeofagivenplaceorahistoricalmoment,inthebackgroundofthemainstoryline.
Thebackgroundactionmust,withexceptions,servethestoryandbefeltsubtlywithoutvisuallytakingoverthemainnarrative.ButonsomeBilmsorwithcertaindirectors,thebackgroundactionisnotadetail,itmustbedirectedBinelyandveryprecisely(aswithM.NightShyamalan,duringtheBilmingof"TheHappening"inParis)
Youhavealsodeveloped,onlocationinMorocco,duringthe>ilmingofTheMummyacomputersystemtobettermanagetheextraslogisticsonthis>ilm.
"TheMummy"wasmyBirstrealBilmas2ndAssistant-Director...AndAhmedHatimi,(mymentorinthisbusinessandcertainlythegreatest1stassistantdirectorinMorocco,towhomIowealot)haddevelopedanexcellentworkingmethodwithcolorcodesandExceltables.Toavoiderrorsandproblems,whichwouldnotfailtohaveconsequencesontheshoot,hewantedtomanageandsupervisetheentirechainofprocessofthebackgroundactors:fromthecastingprocesstothepaymentofextras,goingthroughthelogisticsandtheirdirectiononset.HefoundhimselfoverloadedwithamassofworkonhisshouldersandIconfessthatIwasandIremainveryadmiringofhisabilitytobrilliantlysuperviseallthisonworkdaysoftenstartingat2.00amtoendat10.00or11.00pmthesameday!!!
Byjoininghisteam,Isimplytriedtointegratehismethodologyintoasingledatabaseprogram.Ispentdozensofsleeplessnightsinmyhotelroom,programmingonmycomputeruntiliconceivedacomputerdatabasesolutiontomanagethebackgroundmasses.FromoneBilmtotheother,withinourteam,Iwasabletoimprovethesystem,thankstothetechnicalresourcesthatweremadeavailabletomebytheproductions,byaddingabarcodesystemtoit.
Gradually,thesystembecameabletohandlepeaksofupto3,000extrasperdayofBilming.Itallowedto,veryquickly,checkineachextra,managetheirwardrobe,weapons
andpropsdistributionandtopaythem.Inpreparation,duringthecostumeBitting,wewouldissueeachpersonacontract,aplasticbadgebearinghisname,hischaracterandabarcodelinkinghimtothedatabase.Thisbadgewasalsocolorcoded,toquicklysortoutpeoplebasedonhowclosetheywouldbetocamera(foreground/background),theareasofthesetortheirpickupzone.
ThisITsolutionalsoallowedAmericanproducerstohaveaverypreciseinstantmanagementoftheextrasbudget(aHotExtras'Budget)andtohaveBlexibilityandreactivityinthedispatchofextrasnumbersonthesets.BecauseofmyactivityoutsideMorocco,Ihavenothadtheopportunitytouseitsince2003butAhmedHatimiandhisteamcontinuetouseitandimproveitBilmafterBilm.
ThismethodhasbecomewellknownandrecognizedsincethenandmanyAmericanproducersarriveinMoroccoandaskforitafterhavingheardaboutitinHollywoodbythepreviousteamswhohadshotthere.
Whathaschangedwiththeuseofcomputers?
Notsolongago,beforethearrivaloflaptops,theassistantdirectors,workedalmostexclusivelybyhand,pencil,paperandcoloredmarkersandboardsystemsandcardboardstripstoestablishandmanagetheshootingscheduleofamovie.Allthedocumentshadtobesenttotheproductionsecretary,whowasleftwithaconsiderableamountofwork.Andimagineforeachchange,thetimerequiredtochangethings,theriskoferror,datainput...etc.Today,thereareschedulingandbreakdownsoftware,powerfuldatabasesystems,storyboardsoftwarethatcanpre-visualizeashotorcameramovements,virtualproductionofBicesolutionsontheInternettoeffectivelyshareinformationneededforpreparation,calendars,documents...Arealrevolutionin10/15years...
Everythinghaschangedandcontinuestochange,andtostayinthebusiness,wemustgraduallyincorporatethenewpossibilitiesofferedbyITsolutions.Iam,personally,verykeenonnewtechnologiesandtrytotestandintegratethenewtools,aswego,inthepracticeofmyjob.IloveBindingsolutionstofacilitatethelivesandworkofassistantdirectorsandtechnicalcrewsingeneral.
Youalsoliveincloseproximityofthedirectorandtheproducers?
Yes,butthelevelofintimacydependsontheBilmsandthesimplicityofthedirectors…OnbigHollywoodproductions,therecanbearealdistance,generatedbythestar-systemthatcanreducetherelationshiptoasimpleandminimalworkrelationship.ItalsodependsontheamountofBilmsmadewiththesamedirector,becausetherelationshipsdevelop,deepbondsweavefrommovietomovie.OnsmallerBilms,human-sized,certainly.Wesharethelifeofadirector,weaccompanyhimfromweektoweekforhisBilmtocometolifefromahundredpagesofascreenplay,wesharehisdoubts,hisdifBiculties,thegreatcrisesbutalsothegreatmomentsofhappinesswhenascenewritteninaparagraph,magicallytakesplacebeforeoureyes.
YouareshootingintheTunisiandesert,howisyourworkgoing?
It'sadifBicultshoot.FirstbecauseIwascalledonaFridayeveningtooffermetoleavethenextMondaymorningfortheTunisiandesert.TheAmerican-Hungarian1stADwhosupervisedtheBirst3weeksonStageinBudapest,steppeddownandwasnotabletocovertheshoothere.Ihadtotakeover,withverylittleinformationandalmostnopreparation.Soitwashard,veryhard,atBirst.Becauseasa1stAD,youaresupposedtoknowalltheelementsoftheBilmbetterthananyoneelse.Here,IinheritedashootingscheduleandapreparationthatIhavenotaccomplishedbymyself.Itwasan“equilibrist“positionbutalsoakindofchallengetokeeptheBilmontracks.ThemachinewasrestartedandIwasabletocollecttheinformationsinordertomanagetheset.AndevenifIdiscoverthingsandhavesurprises,again,everyday,thankGod,sofarsogood.Wearestillontracksandonschedule.
OneofthebiggestandmostspectaculardayofthisBilmwasshotafewdaysagousing4camerasandwithtwohelicopters(aMilitaryHueyhelicopter,thatwasmadeavailabletousbytheTunisianarmyandaFrenchCivilianEurocopter“Ecureuil“Helicopter).Itisinsceneslikethisone,thatthe“centralcoordination“positionoftheFirstADcanplayitsfullrole.Wehadagreedonaveryprecisecodeandtimingin10-secondincrementsandbasedonthepositionofthehelicopters,orbitingaroundthederrick,inthesky.
ThecameraswouldturnoverwhentheMilitaryHelicopterwasat6o'clock,theFireandtheColumnofblacksmokeat9o'clockandBinallythelargechainofexplosionsat12o'clock.ArmedwithtricolorBlags(yellow,blue,red)andmywalkie-talkieandinlessthan60seconds,Ihadtocoordinatetheinformationwithbothhelicopters,calloutthe“Roll“,makesurethatthe4cameras(oneineachhelicopterandtwoontheground)are
turningoverbeforegivingthetwovisualcuestothespecialeffectssupervisortoBirststarttheBirethenthegiganticchainofexplosions.
Noneedtosaythattheadrenalinerushwasatitshighest,becausewecouldgoforonlyOneTake(theexplosiondestroyingcompletelyourmainBilmset)
Fortunatelyenough,everythingwassetlikeclockwork,thedesiredeffectwantedbythedirectorwasachievedandnobodywashurt.Insuchscenes,thesafetyofthetechnicalandartisticteamisatoppriority.Ifaspecialeffectorastuntcontainstheslightestsafetyrisk,thenwemustreviewtheprocedureandconsideralternativevisualortechnicalsolutions.BecausethereisnotonesingleBilmintheworld,thatdeservesthatacrewmemberoranactorgetshurtorrisklosinghislife.Theheadsofdepartmentsinvolved(SpecialEffects,StuntCoordinator,HelicopterPilots...)musttakeallthenecessarymeasuresandsafetydistancesandthe1stADistheretohaveacoldbloodedgeneralsupervisionandisnottostartBilmingashotthatcouldcompromisethesafetyofthepeopleonset.
Scenesfromthe:ilm“NineMilesDown“,inthemiddleoftheTunisiandesert.Exclusivelyfor16/9ème.WerecognizeAdrianPaulandKateNauta.
It'saninternationalproductionshotinTunisia,ifthe>ilmwastobeshotinMorocco,couldithavebeendoneunderthesameconditionsorusingthesameworkmethods?
Certainly,thesameworkmethods.However,theconditionswouldbedifferentfromonedepartmenttoanotherbecauseIthinkIcannowsaythatourskillsaredifferentandcomplementary.MoroccohasattractedsomeofthebiggestAmericanproductionsinrecentyearsandwithoutgeneralizing,IcansaythatthishasallowedtheMoroccanstotrainproduction,locationandassistantdirectorsteams,thatareverywelladaptedtomediumandlargeAmericanBilms.Buttheproductionandthelocationworkcannotbeeasilyimportedandexported.TheyarelocaltradesandBieldworkastheyareconnectedtotherelationshipwithlocalauthorities,localpopulationasmuchastheexperienceorthepracticalknowledgeofthisjobs.Traininginthesetradesmustbedoneontheground,inthemidstofprojectsarrivinginourcountries.Ontheotherhand,Iwasveryproudtohavediscovered,ahighlyqualiBiedTunisianartdepartmentteam,underthedirectionofagreatartdirector:KhaledJoulakandhiscrew...TheyaccomplishedarealexploitbybuildingascientiBicresearchcomplexandaDerrick(oilwell)inlessthan3weeks.KhaledhasalsohadtheopportunityofworkinginMoroccoonmanyBilms.Iwasalsoverypleasantlysurprisedbythequalityinmanytechnicaldepartment:Camera,Sound,Electricians,GripsandtheSpecialEffectsSupervisor(foralltheatmosphericandpyrotechniceffects)eveniftobehonest,Ihadimportantreservationsaboutthesafetyawarenessonset.
DoyouthinkthatbetweenMoroccoandTunisia,thereisacollaborationthatcouldbebene>icialforbothcountries?
Yescompletely.Thereisarealworktobedoneattheleveloftrainingandexchangesofskills.
WhynotwithotherMaghrebcountries?
Exchangesarehappeningnaturally,already,individuallybetweenBilms.OurGaffer(SkanderDhaoui)hasalsoworkedseveraltimesinMorocco.Attheendoftheshoot,ImetaTunisian1stAD(ElyesZrelli)whoworkedonAhmedBoulane'sBilminMoroccoandworkedonanIraqiBilminEgypt.OntheotherhandthecraftsmenandmembersofMoroccan"costume"teamsfromOuarzazateworkregularlyinTunisia.Collaborationexistsinfact,butonapunctual,individualbasis.IthinkthatitwouldbebeneBicialforbothcountries,andfortheMaghrebingeneral,topromoteexchangesofknowledgeandskillsinamoreorganizedway.IfhighlyqualiBiedHeadsofDepartmentsexistinTunisiaorMoroccowhynotexchangeourteamsincomplementarity.Butwestillmustovercomethelittlenationalismsthatareremaining.Istillhaveinmind,thebittermemory,twoyearsago,whileIwasabouttostartthepreparationofaFrenchBilminAlgeria,tohavereceivedarealVetofromthelocalAlgerianproduction,whorefusedthataMoroccan1stADsupervisesanAlgeriancrew.Ithashurtme,becauseIwas,onthecontrary,happytodiscoverandworkhandinhandwithanAlgeriancrewonlocation.
AndinMorocco,arewewellorganized?
Yes,andinanycase,wehavethecapacitytobewellorganized.ThesizeoftheBilmsthathavebeenshothere,hasmadeitpossibletotrainqualiBiedpeople,whetheritisintheproduction,direction,locations,artdepartment,costumes…AndagoodorganizationdoesnotalwaysrequireconsiderableBinancialresources:wecanbeorganizedwithsmallmeans.ButIknow,throughwhatihearfromsomeMoroccanBilmmakers,thatalotofBilmsaremadeinabigmesswherethedirectorBindshimselfpoorlysupported,orhastosortoutbyhimselfmanagementproblems,cateringortransportationissuesbetweentwoshots.Whatseemsinconceivabletome:wecanmakeBilmswithlittleresourceswhileremainingorganized.
YouhaveworkedalotinMoroccobutyouliveinFrance,whythischoice?
Icannotreallytalkaboutitasaconsciouschoice.IarrivedinFrancewithoutknowingthatIwillstaytherethatlong.Ihavelearnedthebasicsofthisjob,tookmyBirststeps.TherichnessoftheParisianculturalandcinematographiclifehasbroughtmealot,andIhavebeenattachedtoit,eventhoughIamaCasablancacitizendeepinmysoul.Yearafteryear,IfoundmyselfspendingalmosthalfofmylifeinParis,withoutconsciouslymakingthischoice.Parissimply,andlittlebylittle,becameformeakindofprofessionalcenterofgravity,evenifIhavetoadmitthatIdonotexcludetoreturntoMorocco.Inanycase,IknowthatIliketolivebetweentwocountriesandtwocultures,IdrawapersonalfulBillmentandahindsightthatiamdeeplyattachedto.
DowehavethecinemainMoroccothatwedeserve?
Cinema,likeanyart,isareBlectionofsocietyandwhatseemsimportanttomeisthatMoroccancinemarepresentsMoroccansocietyinallitscomponentsandwithoutanytabooorself-censorshipfromthedirectors.Thetimeofcinematographicamnesiaofthe70sand80sisover,andBilmsmustspeaksincerelytoMoroccans,withouthypocrisy,telltheirstoriesinareallanguagewhilebeingopentotheworldandtrytobeuniversalbeyondourborders.Iwasreallyshockedthatsomedirectorsand“so-calledMoroccansintellectuals”,havehad,duringthereleaseoftheBilm‘Marock’,violentandveryhardwordsandapositionencouragingcensorshipandthedenying“themoroccancitzenship"ofitsdirector.
WhyisitonlyintheArabworldwhereweBind"intellectuals"or"frustratedartists"readytocampaignagainsttheirownfreedomtocreateortofreelyrepresentthesociety.It’saparadoxthatIstillcannotexplaintomyself.Unlessit'sbasedonlowleveljealousiesandrivalries(somehowitwouldreassuremetothinkit'sjustthat.)
Anyway,IamratheroptimisticfortheMoroccancinemabecauseitismoreandmoredynamicandcreative.IamproudtoseeBilmsatthelevelof“Marock“byLaïlaMarrakchiorFaouziBensaidi'sWhataWonderfulWorldforexample,andeventhoughthislastBilmmaynothavemetitsaudienceinMorocco,itisabigstepforwardforMoroccancinema.Andthereisroomforallgenres,alltypeofcinemainMorocco.Themostimportantthingisnottoforgetwhatmustuniteallcreators:theirfreedomtorepresentthesociety.
WhatistheretodoordoagaininMorocco?
Iwouldreallylikethatweseriouslytakecareofthetrainingsinallthetechnicaltradesofcinema.FillingthegapsofunderrepresentedpositionsinMorocco(Cinematographers,SoundMixers,ScriptSupervisors,SpecialEffects...etc..),conveythepassionofcertainBilmprofessions,generatevocationsandaccompanythem,encouragethem…Thisisforme,theonlywaytosustainnationalcinemaandalsothepresenceofforeignshootsinMoroccobyprovidingskilledcrewsinalldepartments.AndwemusttackleitBirst…DuringoneofmyBirstBilmshootsintheEasternEuropeancountries,onNapoleonin2001,itwastheBirstdifferencethatInoticedwhileshootinginPragueandBudapest:TheforeigncrewsdidnotarrivewithallheadsofdepartmentsimportedfromFranceortheUnitedStatesbutrelyonlocalteamsinallareas(whichwasalsoaBinancialadvantageforthem,withlessexpensivesalariesandfringes.)
Youjust>inished>ilmingM.NightShyamalan'smovie,"TheHappening".Tellusaboutthesecretsofthe>ilm.
TheBirstsceneoftheBilmtakesplacein"CentralPark"inNewYorkandNightShyamalanwantedthatthelastsequencetotakeplaceinParisatthe“TuileriesGarden“.AtBirstglance,thescenewassimple:Someatmospheres,parkambiances,thentwocharacters,walkintheparktalkingwhensuddenlyacryfromnowherefreezesthewholeparkand...Iwillnottellyoumore,becauseit'stheendofthemovie.
AscenewithahundredextrasinaParisianpark:atBirstsight,itisnotcomplicatedtoorganize,apartfromthelockoffinagardenthatremainedopentothepubliconaSaturdayinSeptember.AtBirstIwassurprisedbyrequestsforextremeprecisionrelayedfromhimbyhisproducers:SamMercerandBarryMendel.Wehadseverallongmeetingsaboutthesescenes,whereasusually,wetalkaboutthesekindofscenes10or15minonthephoneorbetweentwodiscussionsonothersequences.IlaterrealizedthatNightShyamalanwasaverydemandingdirectorwholovestoBinetunehisworkonthebackgroundscenes,alltheselittledetailsthatgivereality,subtletytothings.TheteamwasshootinginPhiladelphiathedaybefore.TheytraveledatnightandarrivedSaturdaymorninginaPrivateJet:Himself,hiscinematographer:TakFujimoto,hisproductiondesigner:JeannineOpewallandhisotherproducersthenjoinedthesetandtheFrenchcrewattheTuileries,directly:fromtheairportstraighttotheshoot.HeisrelentlessandIstoppedcountingalltheroundtripsbetweendifferentcamerassetfromoneendtotheothersideofthePark(whattheAmericanscalledLeapFrogging)becausewejuggledalldayfromonecornertotheotheroftheparkasperthenaturallight.Workingwithhim,eventhatbrieBly,wasarealpleasure.Iwasimpressed,Birstofallbyhiskindnessandaccessibility,hispatiencemixedwithhishighdemandofsubtlety.IhopetohavetheopportunityagaintoworkonanentireBilmwithhim.
MostrecentlyyouhaveworkedonBenjaminGates2alongsideJonTurteltaubandstarringNicolasCage.Whatrelationshipdoyouhavewiththeactors?
Itdependsonceagainonmovies.Hollywoodmoviesandthestar-system,createsadistancethatdoesnotalwaysfavorsimpleordirectrelationshipswithactors(often
surroundedbybodyguardsandseveralpersonalassistantswhoactasbarriers).Ontheset,itisofcourse(withsomenotableexceptions)thedirectorwhodirectsthem.Theassistantdirectorsteam,takescareofwelcomingthem,keepingtheminformedoftheorderofscenesorshots,supervisingwithproductionandfacilitiestheircomfortonset,givingthemcueswhenthescenerequiresit.Allthisendsupcreatingcloseandendearingrelationshipsinthelongrun.Inthebackgroundoftheshoot,2ndADsand/or3rdADsareresponsibleforfollowingaproperprep,make-up,hair,andcommunicationwiththeactors(andthisalsopromotesandinducesaprivilegedrelationshipwiththem),becauseitisnecessarytomanagetheirstress,tocomfortthem,toenduresometimescertainwhimsorangerswithoutnevertakingthingspersonally.
Youhavealsoworkedonthe>ilmMarock,howdidtheshootinggo?
Arealjoy.First,becauseshootinga"teenagemovie"inmyhometownofCasablancahasbeensomehow"rejuvenatingandrefreshing"formeandIthinkforthewholeBilmcrew.ButalsobecauseIknowLailaMarrakchiforover15yearsandIwasveryhappytoworkwithher.AlthoughIwasalittlenervousaboutworkingwithafriend,becauseourpersonalitiesarenotthesameinlifeandunderthepressureofBilmingandyouhavetoknowhowtostayfocusedandkeepthesamerigoranddemandasifyouwereworkingwithastranger.Anyway,ithasbeenarealpleasureworkingwithherandIknowandshealsoknowsthatIwillalwaysbeupforallherupcomingprojects.
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Toworkwithinternational>ilmdinosaurssuchasMartinScorsese,OliverStoneorStevenSpielberg,andtoalsoworkonLailaMarrakchi'sdebutfeature.Isitbene>icial?
Yesabsolutely.EachBilmbringsitsownfulBillment.AndMarockwasaverybeautifulexperienceandhumanadventure.SomeBilmsarehugeorganizationallessons,othersare“mise-en-scene“lessonsandothersarerichhumanexperiences,especiallyiftheytakeplaceinMorocco,inmyhometownandareworthasmuchasaBilmofMartinScorseseorRidleyScott.
Whatisthebestmemoryyoucanrecallfroma>ilmshoot?
ItisalwaysverydifBiculttochoose:welivemomentsthataresodifferentandsostrongthatnotonecanreallystandabovetheothers.
Istillthinkofthemagicalballetofthe8helicopterstakingofffromKenitraAirForceBaseatsunsetonBlackHawkDown.Orthemomentsofrealemotionwhenwehadtore-createasceneofthedepartureinexileoftheDalaiLamaforIndia:whenhundredsofTibetanextras,whohadalreadyexperiencedthesamescenein1959,begantosob:AllthetechnicalteamincludingMartinScorsesehimselfbegantocry,astheemotionwaspalpableandhardtoovercome:TherealityviolentlyjoiningtheBiction...
Andtheworst?
IhaveexperiencesomechaoticBilmshoots,wherewearesorelylackinginformationandwestillhavetomakesurethatalltheelementsarepresentfortheshoot.Tosolveequationswithseveralunknownparameters,withoutbeingabletoreadthesecondhalfoftheequation.WhatcanbeconceivedonsmallBilmswithtwoactorsinanapartment,canhardlybeimaginedwhenyouareshootinggiganticscenesinperiodcostumeswiththousandsofextras:theinformationisessentialforanefBicientandserenework.Itendsupreallytiringyouinthelongrunandmakeyourneuronsheatup.TheFourFeathersbyShekharKapurin2000andAlexanderbyOliverStonein2003were,forexample,twochaoticandunpleasantexperiencesforme.
Youareoftenjudgedfornotwantingtotaketheplunge:becomingadirector.Whatareyouafraidof?
IbelievethatthejobofAssistantDirectorisaprofessionandacareerinitsownright.AndOneshouldnotdothisjobifonefeelsasa"frustrateddirector",becauseotherwisehowtogivesomuchtime,energy,investmentandintensitytoadirectorifoneisfrustratedorembitteredorjusttransitioningtosomethingelse.
However,ImustadmitthatIstartedthiscareer,wronglybelievingatthetime,thatthispositionwasaroyalwaytowardsBilmdirection.InthemeantimeIhavediscoveredarealjob,thrilling,whichcertainlytookmeamomentawayfrommyambitions,butIdidnotgivethemupsofar.
DoyouimagineyourselfworkingmoreinMoroccothaninFrance?
Yes,itisimportanttome,atleastasmuchasinFrance.Besides,evenifIambasedinParis,IdonotreallyworkalotinFrance.Here,Ispecializedalittleininternationalandforeignproductions,oftenshotinEnglish.IoftenBindmyselfBilmingelsewhereinEasternEurope,inDubaiorinTunisiasuchasnow.Infact,Iseemyselfworkingwheretherearebeautifulexperiencestolive,whateverthecountryis.
WealsoknowthatyouareinvolvedinAFAR,theFrenchAssociationofAssistantDirectors,whichisalsocelebratingits10thanniversarythisyear.YouareitsVice-SecretaryGeneral.Youneverstop?
Iwasinvitedtojointhea.f.a.ratthebeginningof2001.Atthetime,theassociationcountedonlyaboutBifteenmembers.Todayithasnearlyahundred.In2002,IbeganbytakingcareofthewebsiteandwebtoolsoftheassociationbysettingupasystemallowingmemberstomanagetheirCVsandavailabilitiesdirectlyontheinternet.
Andsince2004,Ijoinedtheboardmembersandthecounciloftheassociationtobecome:Vice-SecretaryGeneral,toparticipatemoreconcretelyinthefunctioningandthefutureprojectsoftheassociation.ButIwouldlovetoparticipateandbringthesameenergytothelaunchofequivalentstructuresinMorocco.Imaybeutopian,butwhynotcreatetheequivalentofthisassociationbygroupingtheDirectionpositionsof(Assistants-Directors,ScriptSupervisors...)attheMoroccanorattheMaghrebleveltopromoteexchangesoftechnicians,sharingofexperiences,trainingoffutureassistantdirectors.
Whatisthepurposeoftheassociation?
ItismainlytobreaktheisolationinwhichtheassistantdirectorcanoftenbewhenfacingproductionsandBilmcrews.Todefendtheinterestofthisprofession,whileguaranteeingtheproductionsahighqualityofworkonsetsandtherespectofatruedeontologyinthistrade.
Italsoservesasaplatformforexchangewiththeoutsideworld:withDirectors,Producers,Traineeswhostartinthebusinessaswellasinternally:bypromotingthesharingofknowledgeandexperiencesbetweenmembers.
OurtwoBlagshipprojectsare:TrainingandSafetyonBilmsets.
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