excerpts from the testimony of victoria price (1)

7/25/2019 Excerpts From the Testimony of Victoria Price (1)

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EXCERPTS FROM THE TESTIMONY OF ORY DOBBINS

Direct examination by Hon. H. G. Bailey

Q Mr. Dobbins where do you i!e"

# S$e!enson.

Q Do you re%& $he d&y i$ is s&id so'e Ne(roes were $&)en o** & *rei(h$ $r&in &$

P&in$ Ro%)+ #&b&'&+ &on( in M&r%h.

# I don,$ re'e'ber $he d&$e+ bu$ I s&w $he Ne(roes.

Q Do you re%& $he d&y i$ is s&id i$ h&--ened"

# Yes sir.

Q On $h&$ d&y were you u- ne&r S$e!enson &on( $he ine+ ne&r $he ine o* $he

Sou$hern R&iro&d"

# Three 'ies on $his side o* S$e!enson.

Q &s $h&$ &nywhere ne&r your ho'e"

# Yes sir+ i$ wen$ ri(h$ by 'y ho'e.

Q Did you see & *rei(h$ $r&in &on( &bou$ $he 'idde o* $he d&y -&ss (oin( in $he

dire%$ion o* P&in$ Ro%) *ro' S$e!enson.

# Yes sir.

Q here were you when $his *rei(h$ $r&in -&ssed+ wi$h re*eren%e $o $he $r&in"

# S$&ndin( ri(h$ in *ron$ o* $he house (oin( $o $he b&rn.

Q #bou$ how *&r &w&y were you *ro' $he $r&%) &s $he $r&in -&ssed.

# For$y y&rds.

Q Did you see &nybody on $h&$ $r&in.

# I s&w so'e ne(roes &nd $here w&s $wo whi$e (irs.


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Q here were $hey+ wh&$ -&r$ o* $he $r&in.

# B&%) $ow&rd $he %&boose.

Q h&$ sor$ o* & %&r were $hey in"

# On & (on.

Q /ondo& %&r"

# Yes sir.

Q #s $he $r&in did you see in $h&$ (ondo& %&r"

# Yes sir.

Q #s $he $r&in -&ssed did you see in $h&$ (ondo& %&r"

# Yes sir.

Q h&$ did you see h&--en $here be$ween $he Ne(roes+ &'on( $he Ne(roes &nd

&nybody ese in $here"

# I s&w one o* $he (irs se$$in( u- on $he end o* $he (on *i0in( $o 1u'- o**22

MR. 3EIBOIT45 I 'o!e $o s$ri)e ou$ wh&$ she w&s *i0in( $o do.

CO6RT5 S$&$e where she w&s.

Q You s&y she w&s si$$in( u- on $he end o* $he (ondo&"

# Yes sir &nd *i0in(22

Q h&$ did you see h&--en"

# She w&s *i0in( $o 1u'- o**.

MR. 3EIBOIT45 I 'o!e $o s$ri)e $h&$ our.

CO6RT5 You s&w her si$$in( $here.

Q In wh&$ -osi$ion w&s she si$$in("


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# She w&s si$$in( on $he end o* i$.

CO6RT5 &s she in 'o$ion or s$i"

# She w&s *i0in( $o 1u'-22

MR. 3EIBOIT45 e 'o!e $o s$ri)e $h&$ ou$.

/ENER#3 7NI/HT5 Did she oo) i)e she w&s (oin( $o 1u'-.

CO6RT5 She w&s si$$in( on $he side+ I beie!e I wi hod hi' $o wh&$ she w&s

&%$u&y doin(+ her -osi$ion.

Q Did you see her 'o!e &ny whie you s&w her"

# They were & 'o!in(.

Q How w&s she 'o!in(+ %&n you des%ribe i$ $o $he 1ury.

# She w&s oo)in(22she w&s *i0in( $o (o ou$ o!er $he %&r.

CO6RT5 hi%h w&y w&s she oo)in("

# She w&s o** o* i$.

MR. 3EIBOIT45 I 'o!e $o s$ri)e $h&$ ou$.

CO6RT5 O** $he %&r"

# Yes sir+ oo)in( &w&y *ro' $he %&r.

CO6RT5 &s $here &ny 'o$ion o* her body &$ &"

# I$ wen$ by &nd when i$ wen$ by I s&w $his here *eow (r&b her &nd $hrow her

down in $he %&r.

Q You s&w & Ne(ro (r&b her"

# Yes sir & Ne(ro

Q How did he (r&b her"

# #round $he w&is$.


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Q i$h his &r's"

# Yes sir.

Q h&$ sor$ o* & -&%e were you in when you obser!ed $h&$ wi$h re*eren%e $o $he

r&iro&d $r&%)"

# S$&ndin( $here on & i$$e hi ou$ *ro' $he r&iro&d.

Q # hi you s&y ou$ *ro' $he r&iro&d"

# Yes sir.

Q Coo) you see o!er in$o $he (ondo& or &ny -&r$ o* i$ *ro' where you were"

# No sir.

Q Do $h&$ (ir+ $he wo'&n you s&w se&$ed on $he (ondo& %&r+ did she h&!e her b&%)

$ow&rd22 w&s she on $he side o* $he %&r ne0$ $o you or &w&y *ro' you"

# She h&d her b&%) *&%in( $he %&boose &nd her he&d *&%in( $he en(ine.

Q h&$ end o* $he (ondo& %&r w&s she se&$ed on+ $he end ne0$ $o $he %&boose or $he

end ne0$ $o $he en(ine"

# The end ne0$ $o $he %&boose"

From cross examination by Hon. Samuel S. Leibowitz

Q I w&n$ $o &s) you $oo) &$ so'e -i%$ures+ I h&nd you $hree -i%$ures &nd &s) i* you

re%o(ni8e $hose 9h&ndin( -i%$ures $o wi$ness:.

# Yes sir.

Q #re $hose -i%$ures & $rue re-resen$&$ion o* $he house &nd b&rn.

# Yes sir.

MR. 3EIBOIT45 I o**er $he' in e!iden%e.

CO6RT5 Th&$ is where you were &$ $he house+ Dobbins house"

# Yes sir.


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Q This -i%$ure I show you is & -i%$ure o* your house &nd $he b&rn &s you oo) s;u&re

&$ i$ *ro' $he o$her side o* $he r&iro&d $r&%)+ &%ross $he r&iro&d $r&%) oo)in( s;u&re

&$ $he house.

# Yes sir.

Q This -i%$ure is oo)in( s$r&i(h$ &$ $he house" Did you e!er $&)e -i%$ures yourse*"

# Yes sir.

CO6RT5 Is $h&$ & %orre%$ -i%$ure"

# Yes sir.

* * * * * * * * *

Q Now 1us$ where were you &$ $he $i'e $his $r&in -&ssed.

# S$&r$ed $o $he b&rn $o (e$ 'y 'ue $o (o $o -owin(.

Q You 'e&n $his i$$e b&rn here 9indi%&$in(:"

# No sir.

Q The o$her b&rn shown in $his -i%$ure 9indi%&$in(:"

# Yes sir.

Q #s indi%&$ed you s$&r$ed $ow&rd $his b&rn $o (e$ your 'ue"

# Yes sir+ s$&r$ed $o $he b&rn $o (e$ $he 'ue.

Q here h&d you %o'e ou$ o* $he house"

# Co'e ou$ in $he y&rd &nd w&s s$&ndin(.

Q Show wi$h your *in(er where you s$&r$ed22 h&d you been in $he house be*ore $his"

# No sir+ I 1us$ %o'e ou$ in $he y&rd $here.

Q h&$ y&rd"

# Ri(h$ o!er here 9indi%&$in(:.


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Q Ne&r $he -or%h"

# Yes sir+ you see $his (rind s$one $here 9indi%&$in(:+ s$r&i(h$ in *ron$ o* i$.

Q There is $he (rind s$one you s&y you were 1us$ ri(h$ in *ron$ o* $h&$ (oin( $ow&rd

$he b&rn"

# Yes sir.

Q #nd your *&%e w&s in $he (ener& dire%$ion o* P&in$ Ro%)"

# Yes sir.

Q The $r&in w&s -&ssin( &$ $h&$ $i'e"

# Yes sir.

Q #bou$ how '&ny 'inu$es h&d $he $r&in been -&ssin( whie you were in $h&$

-osi$ion"

# I %oudn,$ h&rdy $e you how on(.

Q Cou-e o* 'inu$es or so"

# #bou$ & %ou-e.

Q The *&%$ $h&$ & *rei(h$ $r&in -&ssed+ $h&$ 'e&n$ no$hin( $o you+ 1us$ &n ordin&ry

e!ery d&y o%%urren%e< I 'e&n when you were (oin( $ow&rd $he b&rn you were no$

-&yin( &ny &$$en$ion &$ $h&$ $i'e $o $he $r&in"

# I &w&ys oo) &$ $he' when $hey -&ss by i* I &' s$&ndin( ou$ $here.

Q You were on your w&y $o $he b&rn"

# Yes sir.

Q Your b&%) w&s $ow&rd *ro' where $he en(ine %&'e &s i$ -&ssed you *ro'S$e!enson"

# Yes sir.

Q #nd you were in *ron$ o* $h&$ (rind s$one when $he $r&in w&s -&ssin( by+ &nd

&bou$ $wo 'inu$es h&d e&-sed *ro' $he $i'e $he en(ine -&ssed"


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# Yes sir.

Q How '&ny %&rs woud you s&y h&d -&ssed you &s you s$ood $here in *ron$ o* $he

(rind s$one oo)in( down $ow&rd P&in$ Ro%)"

# How '&ny"

Q #bou$ how '&ny %&rs -&ssed you b&%) o* $he en(ine"

# I %oudn,$ $e you how '&ny.

Q Fi*$een or $wen$y"

# I woudn,$ s&y *or sure+ how '&ny -&ssed by.

Q You h&d been s$&ndin( $here $wo 'inu$es w&$%hin( $he' -&ss by"

# Yes sir.

Q You &re sure &bou$ $h&$"

/ENER#3 7NI/HT5 He $od you he w&sn,$ sure.

Q I &s)ed you i* you &re sure &bou$ i$.

# 9no &nswer:

Q The $r&in w&s (oin( ou$ $hir$y or $hir$y *i!e 'ies &n hour+ *or$y+ so'e$hin( i)e

$h&$"

# /oin( &bou$ $wen$y *i!e 'ies &n hour.

Q E&%h o* $hese %&rs is &bou$ *or$y *ee$ on("

# Yes sir.

Q How '&ny *ee$ *ro' $he *irs$ r&i were you s$&ndin(.

# For$y y&rds"

Q One hundred &nd $wen$y *ee$"

# Yes sir.


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Q This b&rn here 9indi%&$in(: se$s on $he s&'e ine wi$h $he i$$e b&rn+ $he *ron$ o*

$his b&rn is on $he s&'e ine wi$h $he *ron$ o* $h&$ i$$e b&rn"

# Yes sir.

Q I* I unders$&nd you %orre%$y+ $his buidin( on $he e*$+ &nd whi%h oo)s bi((er+ $he*ron$ o* $h&$ is on $he s&'e ine wi$h $he *ron$ o* $he i$$e one+ &nd you were you s&y

one hundred &nd $wen$y *ee$ in *ro' $he *irs$ r&i o* $h&$ ro&d+ $h&$ is wh&$ you s&id"

# Yes sir.

Q The 'inu$e &ny %&r o* $h&$ $r&in -&ssed by & -oin$ o--osi$e $h&$ b&rn you ose

si(h$ o* i$ don,$ you+ $he b&rn shu$s i$ o**.

# Yes.

Q The b&rn shu$s i$ o**"

# Yes sir.

Q You %&n,$ see &round $he b&rn"

# You %&n (o $hrou(h $he b&rn &nd see &round.

Q You were no$ in $he b&rn &$ $he $i'e+ you were s$&ndin( one hundred &nd $wen$y

*ee$ *ro' $he $r&%) &nd I &s)ed you i* $he 'inu$e & %&r -&sses $h&$ b&rn your !iew isi''edi&$ey %u$ o**.

# Yes sir.

Q How '&ny *ee$ is i$ *ro' where you were s$&ndin( oo)in( $ow&rd $he b&rn+ how

'&ny *ee$ is $h&$ *ro' $h&$ -oin$ $o $he ed(e o* $h&$ b&rn+ e$ 'e show you 9indi%&$in(:.

/ENER#3 7NI/HT5 He didn,$ s&y he w&s oo)in( $ow&rd $he b&rn.

MR. 3EIBOIT45 3oo)in( $ow&rd P&in$ Ro%)"

/ENER#3 7NI/HT5 He s&id he w&s (oin( $ow&rd $he b&rn+ whi%h 'e&n$ he w&s

(oin( in $he dire%$ion o* P&in$ Ro%).

Q You were oo)in( in $he (ener& dire%$ion o* where $he b&rn w&s"

# Yes sir.


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CO6RT5 He s&id he w&s oo)in( in $he (ener& dire%$ion o* where $he b&rn w&s.

Q Fro' where you were s$&ndin( how '&ny *ee$ is i$ $o $he %orner o* $h&$ b&rn

# I %oudn,$ $e you.

Q 3e$ 'e '&)e $h&$ -&in22su--ose we $&)e Mr. B&iey he re-resen$s you+ &nd your

b&rn woud be so'ewhere o** here+ &on( o** here 9indi%&$in(:+ $he $r&in is (oin( in

$his dire%$ion 9indi%&$in(:< wh&$ I &' $ryin( $o (e$ &$ is &bou$ how '&ny *ee$+ (i!e us

your bes$ 1ud('en$ is i$ *ro' where you &re s$&ndin( &s re-resen$ed by Mr. B&iey

o!er $o where $he %orner o* $his b&rn is+ &bou$ how '&ny *ee$"

# I %oudn,$ $e how *&r i$ w&s.

Q #bou$ how '&ny *ee$ were you *ro' $he b&rn i$se*+ you were s$&ndin( $here ne&r

$he (rinds$one+ how '&ny *ee$ &w&y *ro' $he b&rn i$se* were you+ &bou$ how '&ny-&%es+ (i!e us so'e ide&< how '&ny *ee$ is i$ *ro' where you were s$&ndin( &$ $he

(rind s$one $o $he b&rn"

# I don,$ )now.

Q Show us in $he roo'+ &bou$ &s *&r &s *ro' here $o $h&$ w& 9indi%&$in(: or *ur$her"

# #bou$ &s *&r &s *ro' here $o $h&$ door yonder+ '&ybe no$ &s *&r 9indi%&$in(:.

Q oud you s&y &bou$ h&* w&y $o $h&$ door"

# 3i$$e *ur$her $h&n $h&$.

Q 3i$$e o!er h&* w&y $o $he door+ *or$y or *i*$y *ee$"

# I don,$ )now how '&ny *ee$ i$ is.

Q #bou$ $en or *i*$een -&%es"

# Yes sir.

Q Th&$ woud be be$ween $hir$y &nd *or$y *ee$< *&%in( $his w&y &$ &n &n(e oo)in(

$ow&rd $he b&rn+ $h&$ %&r on whi%h you s&y you s&w $his wo'&n didn,$ %o'e in$o your

!iew un$i 1us$ &bou$ $he $i'e i$ re&%hed where $he b&rn woud %u$ o** your !iew+ isn,$

$h&$ so22do you (e$ 'y -oin$"

# No sir.


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Q The r&iro&d runs &on( $here where #$$orney /ener& 7ni(h$ is si$$in(

9indi%&$in(: in $h&$ dire%$ion &nd you &re *&%in( $he b&rn"

# Yes sir.

Q The $r&in w&s %o'in( &on( $here &$ &bou$ $wen$y *i!e or $hir$y 'ies &n hour"

# Twen$y *i!e 'ies &n hour

Q h&$ I &' (e$$in( &$ is $his5 Your !iew+ your ine o* !ision+ wi$h re*eren%e $o $he

%&r you $od $he 1ury &bou$ &nd whi%h you %&i' & wo'&n w&s on &nd you s&w

so'ebody -u her b&%) &nd )no%) her down+ $h&$ %&r %oud no$ h&!e %o'e in$o your

!iew un$i i$ w&s 1us$ &bou$ -&ssin( $he %orner o* $h&$ b&rn+ isn,$ $h&$ so"

/ENER#3 7NI/HT5 hi%h b&rn.

MR. 3EIBOIT45 The bi( b&rn.

CO6RT5 Do you unders$&nd $he ;ues$ion"

# No sir.

Q You s$&$ed you were &$ $he (rind s$one $here 9indi%&$in(:"

# #bou$ h&* w&y be$ween $he (rind s$one &nd $his *en%e $here.

Q I w&n$ $h&$ unders$ood you were no$ s$&ndin( &$ $he (rind s$one+ you were

s$&ndin( h&* w&y o* $he dis$&n%e o* $he (rind s$one &nd $he b&rn+ 'u%h %oser $o $he

b&rn $h&$ I unders$ood be*ore"

# Yes sir.

Q h&$ I &' (e$$in( &$ is $his< you %oud see $he b&rn *ro' where you were

s$&ndin("

# Yes sir.

Q Your eye s$ru%) $he %orner o* $h&$ b&rn+ you %oud see $h&$+ &s you &re oo)in(

$ow&rd $he %orner o* $he b&rn+ here is $he (rind s$one here 9indi%&$in(:+ &nd you &re

s$&ndin( h&* w&y be$ween $he (rind s$one &nd $he b&rn+ $he $&be where /ener&

7ni(h$ is si$$in( is $he b&rn i$se*+ $h&$ is $he %orner o* $he b&rn o!er $here 9indi%&$in(:+

$he r&iro&d is %o'in( &on( in *ro' =ud(e Hor$on,s des)"


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# Yes sir.

Q You &re s$&ndin( oo)in( $h&$ w&y 9indi%&$in(: &bou$ you s&y &bou$ $hir$y *ee$"

CO6RT5 For$y.

Q You &re oo)in( $ow&rd $he %orner o* $h&$ b&rn+ wh&$ I &' &s)in( you is $his+ &s

you oo) in $h&$ dire%$ion isn,$ i$ & *&%$ $h&$ $he b&%) end o* $h&$ %&r you s-o)e o* w&s

&'os$ &$ $he %orner o* $h&$ b&rn when you *irs$ s&w i$ oo)in( in $he dire%$ion in

whi%h you h&!e $es$i*ied+ isn,$ $h&$ so.

/ENER#3 7NI/HT5 e ob1e%$ $o $h&$ ;ues$ion.

CO6RT5 O!errue $he ob1e%$ion.

Q You '&y &nswer $h&$+ isn,$ $h&$ so.

# No sir+ when $he $r&in (o$ $here we $urned &round 'e &nd $his *eow wi$h 'e &nd

oo)ed &$ $he $r&in be*ore we wen$ $o $he b&rn.

Q Did you *&%e $he $r&in"

# Yes sir.

Q S$r&i(h$ &$ i$"

# Turned &round &nd oo)ed &$ i$.

Q 3oo) &$ $he en(ine"

# Yes sir.

Q =us$ s$&ndin( $here oo)in( &$ $he en(ine &nd $he %&rs -&ssin( by"

# Yes sir.

Q You were o$ e0-e%$in( $o see &ny$hin( in -&r$i%u&r+ you weren,$ oo)in( *or&ny$hin("

# No sir.

Q E!en oo)in( &$ i$ *ro' where you were s$&ndin( wi$h $he $r&in (oin( *ro' $wen$y

*i!e $o $hir$y 'ies &n hour.


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# Twen$y *i!e 'ies.

Q The ony !iew you %oud (e$ &*$er $he %&r re&%hed you w&s $he dis$&n%e *ro' &

ine $h&$ woud be dr&wn *ro' you $o $he $r&%) u- $o where $he b&rn is $hen your !iew

woud be shu$ o**.

# Yes sir

Q Th&$ is ony & *ew *ee$+ $he $r&in woud %o!er $he dis$&n%e o* ony & !ery *ew *ee$

be*ore you woud ose si(h$ o* i$"

# I$ h&s (o$ $o (o &s *&r &s *ro' here $o $he door yonder be*ore i$ (e$s so you 1us$

%oudn,$ see i$ 9indi%&$in(:.

Q The ony !iew you h&d o* $his %&r w&s ony & *ew *ee$"

CO6RT5 He s$&$ed $h&$.

Q You s&id be*ore & i$$e w&y *ur$her $h&n h&* w&y $o $he door+ $h&$ is wh&$ you s&id

be*ore"

# I s&id how *&r $he b&rn w&s+ i$ w&sn,$ h&rdy &s *&r &s *ro' here $o $he door.

Q Th&$ w&s $he dis$&n%e you s&w $he %&r"

# I* you were oo)in( &$ i$ you %oud see i$ &*$er i$ -&ssed *ro' here $o $he door$here &nd i$ wen$ in$o $he %u$.

Q They woud be &bou$ *or$y or *i*$y *ee$"

# I %oudn,$ $e you how *&r i$ w&s.

CO6RT5 He s&id &bou$ &s *&r &s *ro' here $o $he door.

Q How '&ny -eo-e were on $his %&r"

# I woudn,$ be *or sure.

Q =us$ one"

# No sir+ oo)ed i)e *i!e or si0.

Q # $o(e$her"


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# Yes sir.

Q Th&$ isn,$ wh&$ you s&id in $he $ri& &$ S%o$$sboro+ $h&$ isn,$ wh&$ you $od =ud(e

H&w)ins &nd $he 1ury down $here"

MR. RI/HT5 He is en$i$ed $o see his $es$i'ony.

Q I &' re&din( *ro' -&(e >> o* $he H&ywood P&$$erson re%ord+ you were &s)ed $his

;ues$ion5 ?Q. #s i$ -&ssed you & you s&w w&s one %oored '&n &nd one whi$e boy

on i$"? ?Yes sir.? Th&$ is wh&$ you s&id &$ S%o$$sboro"

# I didn,$ s&y i$.

MR. 3EIBOIT45 i i$ be %on%eded $h&$ $he o**i%i& re%ord o* $he $ri& $h&$ I h&!e

re&d is %orre%$< $h&$ $he o**i%i& re%ord o* $he $ri& be*ore =ud(e H&w)ins &nd $he 1ury

&$ S%o$$sboro shows $h&$ is e0&%$y wh&$ he w&s &s)ed &nd $h&$ is wh&$ he s&id. H&!e Ire&d i$ %orre%$y.

MR. B#I3EY5 You re&d $h&$ -&r$ o* i$ %orre%$y.

Q Does Mr. #d&'s i!e *ur$her down $he $r&%) $h&n you"

# No sir+ he i!es &$ S$e!enson.

Q You )now $he (en$e'&n+ Mr. #d&'s+ $h&$ -re%eded you on $he wi$ness s$&nd"

# Yes sir.

Q Do you )now where he w&s $h&$ d&y+ w&s $h&$ -&%e -oin$ed ou$ $o you"

# No sir.

Q Do you )now $he -&%e where he w&s+ $h&$ w&s *ur$her down $he $r&%) $h&n where

you were"

# I$ w&s b&%) u- $he $r&%) $ow&rd S$e!enson.

Q You were s$&ndin( &$ $he wood -ie weren,$ you"

# No sir+ i w&sn,$ s$&ndin( &$ $he wood -ie+ I w&s s$&ndin( $his side o* $he wood

-ie.


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Q I &' re&din( *ro' P&(e >@+ wi you -e&se -&y &$$en$ion $o $his5 Re&din( *ro'

$he o**i%i& 'inu$es o* $he S%o$$sboro $ri& o* $he S%o$$sboro $ri&. ?Q. here were you

s$&ndin( when $he $r&in -&ssed by"? ?#. S$&ndin( &$ $he wood -ie.? Did you s&y $h&$"

# Ri(h$ &$ $he end o* $he wood -ie.

Q How *&r is $he wood -ie *or' $he (rind s$one"

# Oh ri(h$ $here $o(e$her.

Q Th&$ is 'u%h *ur$her b&%) $h&n $he (rind s$one shown on $his -i%$ure+ *ro' $he

r&iro&d 9indi%&$in(: You s&y you were $here 9indi%&$in(:"

# The wood -ie is $here 9indi%&$in(:.

Q Th&$ is *ur$her b&%) *ro' $he r&iro&d (rind s$one isn,$ i$"

# Here is $he wood -ie u- &$ $his $ree 9indi%&$in(:.

Q You were s$&ndin( &$ $he wood -ie you s&id &$ S%o$$sboro"

# S$r&i(h$ by $here &nd on ou$ here is $he wood -ie.

Q How '&ny *ee$ is $he wood -ie b&%) *ur$her $h&n $he (rind s$one+ &bou$ $wen$y

*ee$"

# I$ is 1us$ & bi( *ied in $here be$ween $he b&rn &nd house.

Q You $es$i*ied here you were *or$y y&rds *ro' $he r&iro&d didn,$ you+ $h&$ is wh&$

you s&id se!er& $i'es in &nswer $o 'y ;ues$ion.

# For$y y&rds is wh&$ i$ is.

/ENER#3 7NI/HT5 He $od hi' e0&%$y where he w&s s$&ndin(.

Q 3e$ 'e &s) you i* you didn,$ s&y $his &$ S%o$$sboro $wo ye&rs &(o< I &' re&din(

*ro' $he o**i%i& re%ord $&)en down by $he s$eno(r&-her+ -&(e A>@.? ?Q. How *&r*ro' $he $r&%)"? ?#. #bou$ one hundred y&rds.? Th&$ is wh&$ you s&id &$

S%o$$sboro. I &' re&din( %orre%$y &' I no$"

MR. B#I3EY5 Yes sir+ he $es$i*ied $o $h&$.

# 9no &nswer:


15/17

Q You s&id one hundred y&rds *ro' $he $r&%)+ $h&$ is wh&$ you swore $wo ye&rs &(o

ins$e&d o* *or$y y&rds"

CO6RT5 Did you s$&$e $h&$ &$ S%o$$sboro

# I won,$ s&y+ i$ h&s been so *&r b&%)< we 'e&sured i$ &nd i$ w&s *or$y y&rds.

MR. 3EIBOIT45 I ob1e%$ &bou$ hi' 'e&surin( i$.

CO6RT5 Do you )now whe$her you s&id $h&$ &$ S%o$$sboro+ or do you re'e'ber

$h&$ ;ues$ion.

# I don,$ re'e'ber whe$her I s&id i$ or no$+ i$ h&s been so on(.

Q You ony s&w one (ir"

# S&w one (ir.

Q No$ $wo (irs+ 1us$ s&w one (ir you s-o)e &bou$+ $h&$ is ri(h$+ $h&$ is & you s&w"

# The one I s&w when he (r&bbed her.

Q Th&$ is & you s&w one (ir bein( -ued b&%) in $he %&r &s she w&s *i0in( $o 1u'-

o**"

# Yes sir.

Q #$ S%o$$sboro you $od & di**eren$ s$ory+ didn,$ you. P&(e A>@. ere you &s)ed

$his ;ues$ion &nd did you '&)e $his &nswer" ?Q. Did you s&y &nybody on $h&$ $r&in

&s i$ -&ssed"? ?#. I seen $wo (irs &nd $hese %oored -eo-e &nd &s i$ (one by one o*

$he %oored 'en (r&bbed & wo'&n &nd $he $r&in (o$ by $he b&rn.? There you s&id you

s&w $wo (irs"

CO6RT5 Did you s$&$e $h&$ &$ S%o$$sboro+ $h&$ you s&w $wo (irs.

Q Did you s&y $h&$+ yes or no"

# I$ h&s been so on( I won,$ be sure.

Q You swe&r here you s&w ony one (ir+ were you $ein( $he $ru$h be*ore =ud(e

H&w)ins &nd $he 1ury &$ S%o$$sboro"

CO6RT5 #s)in( hi' i* he '&de $h&$ s$&$e'en$.


16/17

Q Did you '&)e $h&$ s$&$e'en$+ &nswer yes or no"

# I don,$ )now whe$her I did or no$.

Q Is $h&$ s$&$e'en$ i* '&de $rue+ is $h&$ s$&$e'en$ $rue"

# I %oudn,$ $e you.

* * * * * * * * *

Q You )now i$ w&s & wo'&n don,$ you"

# She h&d on wo'&n,s %o$hs.

CO6RT5 She h&d on wo'en,s %o$hs"

# She h&d on wo'en,s %o$hs.

Q h&$ )ind o* %o$hes+ o!er&s"

# No sir+ dress.

Q Did you no$i%e & h&$"

# I didn,$ -&y &ny &$$en$ion $o $he h&$.

Q You no$i%ed $he dress.

# She h&d on i$ oo)ed $o 'e i)e & brown %o&$.

Q i$h *ur on i$"

# Yes sir &round $he %o&r.

* * * * * * * * *

Q here w&s $he whi$e boy on $his $r&in+ on $his %&r"

# I don,$ re'e'ber seein( &ny whi$e boy.

Q You don,$ re'e'ber seein( & whi$e boy"

# No sir.


17/17

Q i you -e&se $e $he 1ury why you $od =ud(e H&w)ins &nd $he 1ury &$

S%o$$sboro

MR. RI/HT5 e ob1e%$.

Q C&n you re%on%ie your s$&$e'en$ &$ S%o$$sboro $h&$ you s&w & whi$e boy on $he$r&in wi$h your s$&$e'en$ now you didn,$ see & whi$e boy on $he %&r+ %&n you '&$%h

$hose $wo &nswers.

MR. B#I3EY5 e ob1e%$ $o &r(uin( wi$h $he wi$ness.

9No ruin(:

Q C&n you"

# How is $h&$.

Q C&n you '&$%h u- $hose $wo &nswers &nd e0-&in $he'+ you s&id down &$

S%o$$sboro+ $wo ye&rs &(o you s&w & whi$e boy on $his $r&in &nd you s&y here now+

you $e $hese 'en+ you didn,$ see & whi$e boy on $h&$ %&r"

# 9No &nswer:

MR. 3EIBOIT45 S$e- o** -e&se.

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