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ExactlyWhatToSayInAFirstMessage
September14th,2009byChristianRudder
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Ok,herestheexperiment.Weanalyzedover500,000firstcontactsonourdatingsite,OkCupid.Ourprogramlookedatkeywordsandphrases,howtheyaffectedreplyrates,andwhattrendswerestatisticallysignificant.Theresult:asetofrulesforwhatyoushouldandshouldntsaywhenintroducingyourself.Onlinedatingadviceatitsbest.Letsgo:
Rule1Beliterate
Netspeak,badgrammar,andbadspellingarehugeturnoffs.Ournegativecorrelationlistisafoolslexicon:ur,u,wat,wont,andsoon.Theseallmakeaterriblefirstimpression.Infact,ifyoucounthit(andwedo!)theworst6wordsyoucanuseinafirstmessageareallstupidslang.
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Languagelikethisissuchastrongdealbreakerthatcorrectlywrittenbutotherwiseworkadaywordslikedontandwonthavenicelyaboveaverageresponserates(36%and37%,respectively).
Interestingexceptionstothenonetspeakruleareexpressionsofamusement.haha(45%replyrate)andlol(41%)bothturnedouttobequitegoodforthesender.Thismakesacertainsense:peoplelikeasenseofhumor,andyouneedtobecasualtoconveygenuinelaughter.hehewasalsoasuccessfulword,butmuchlessso(33%).Scientifically,thisisbecauseitsalittleevilsounding.
So,inshort,itsokaytolaugh,butkeeptherestofyourmessagegrammaticalandpunctuated.
Rule2Avoidphysicalcompliments
Althoughthedatashowsthisadviceholdstrueforbothsexes,itsmostlydirectedatguys,becausetheyarewaymorelikelytotalkaboutlooks.Youmightthinkthatwordslikegorgeous,beautiful,andsexyarenicethingstosaytosomeone,butnoonewantstohearthem.Asweallknow,peoplenormallylikecompliments,butwhentheyreusedaspickuplines,beforeyouveevenmetinperson,theyinevitablyfeelew.Besides,whenyoutellawomanshesbeautiful,chancesareyourenot.
Ontheotherhand,moregeneralcomplimentsseemtoworkwell:
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Thewordprettyisaperfectcasestudyforourpoint.Asanadjective,itsaphysicalcompliment,butasanadverb(asin,Imprettygoodatsports.)itsisjustanotherword.
Whenusedasanadverbitactuallydoesverywell(aphenomenonwellexamineindetailbelow),butasprettysusesbecomemoreclearlyaboutlooks,replyratesdeclinesharply.Youreprettyandyour
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prettyarephrasesthatcouldgoeitherway(physicalornon).Butveryprettyisalmostalwaysusedtodescribethewaysomethingorsomeonelooks,andyoucanseehowthatworksout.
Rule3Useanunusualgreeting
Wetookacloselookatsalutations.Afterall,thewayyouchoosetostartyourinitialmessagetosomeoneisthefirstimpressionofyourfirstimpression.Theresultssurprisedus:
Thetopthreemostpopularwaystosayhellowereallactuallybadbeginnings.Eventheslangyhollaandyoperformbetter,buckingthegeneralbeliteraterule.Infact,itssmartertousenotraditionalsalutationatall(whichearnsyouthereplyrateof27%)andjustdiveintowhateveryouhavetosaythantostartwithhi.Imnotsurewhythisis:maybetheubiquityofthemostpopularopeningsmeanspeoplearemorelikelytojuststopreadingwhentheyseethem.
Themoreinformalstandardgreetings:howsitgoing,whatsup,andhowdyalldidverywell.Maybetheysetamorecasualtonethatpeopleprefer,thoughIhavetosay,Youhadmeatwhatsupdoesntquitehavethesameringtoit.
Rule4Bringupspecificinterests
Therearemanywordsontheeffectiveendofourlistlikezombie,band,tattoo,literature,studying,vegetarian(yes!),andmetal(doubleyes!)thatareallclearlyreferencingsomethingimportanttothe
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sender,therecipient,or,ideally,both.Talkingaboutspecificthingsthatinterestyouorthatyoumighthaveincommonwithsomeoneisatimehonoredwaytomakeaconnection,andwehaveproofherethatitworks.Werepresentingjustasmattering:infacteverynichewordthatwehavesignificantdataonhasapositiveeffectonmessaging.
Evenmoreeffectivearephrasesthatengagethereadersowninterests,orshowyouvereadtheirprofile:
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Rule5Ifyoureaguy,beselfeffacing
Awkward,sorry,apologize,kinda,andprobablyallmademalemessagesmoresuccessful,yetnoneofthemexceptsorryaffectsfemalemessages.Aswementionedbefore,pretty,nodoubtbecauseofitsadverbialmeaningoftoafairdegreemoderatelyalsohelpsmalemessages.Alotofrealworlddatingadvicetellsmentobemoreconfident,butapparentlyhemmingandhawingalittleworkswellonline.
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Itcouldbethatappearingunsuremakesthewriterseemmorevulnerableandlessthreatening.Itcouldbethatwomenlikeguyswhowritemumbly.Buteitherway:menshouldbecarefulnottolettheappearanceofvulnerabilitybecometheappearanceofsweatydesperation:pleaseisonthenegativelist(22%replyrate),andinfactitistheonlywordthatisactuallyworseforyouthanitsnetspeakequivalent(pls,23%)!
Rule6Considerbecominganatheist
Mentioningyourreligionhelpsyou,but,paradoxically,ithelpsyoumostifyouhavenoreligion.Weknowthatsgoingtopissalotofpeopleoff,andweremoreorlesstongueincheekwiththisadvice,butitswhatthenumberssay.
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Thesearethereligioustermsthatappearedastatisticallysignificantnumberoftimes.Atheistactuallyshowedupsurprisinglyoften(342timesper10,000messages,secondonlyto552mentionsofchristianandaheadof278forjewishand142formuslim).
Thoughveryfewpeopleactuallydoit,invokingtheskybreakingthunderboltsofzeusdoeshelpapersongetnoticed(replyrate56%),butmaybethatshouldntbeasurpriseonasitethatisitselfnamedforamemberoftheClassicalpantheon.Soifyoucantbringyourselftodenythedeity,consideropeningyourselfuptoawholewackybunchofthem.Butideallyyoushouldjustdisbelievethewholething.Itcanhelpyourlovelife,and,besides,iftherereallywasagod,wouldntfirstmessagesalwaysgetareply?
AwordaboutuserprivacyonOkCupid
ThoughthisposttalksindetailaboutthecontentofpeoplesmessagesonOkCupid,allmessageshavebeenanonymized,withsenderandrecipientdataandallIPandtimestampinformationstrippedout.Inaddition,ouranalysisprogramlookedatmessagesonlytwoorthreewordsatatime,totrackthesuccessofcertainwordsorphrases(likewhatsupvs.watsup).Theprogramthenaggregatedresultsbyphrasebeforepresentingthedata.NooneatOkCupidreadanyactualusermessagestocompilethispost.
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1. September18,2010at9:16amMaeBestsays:
Iwouldalsobeinterestedinseeingaheightweightscalesummery.Itwasextremelyinterestingtolearnthatbothmenandwomenstretchthetruthabouttheirheightequally.Iwouldbesimilarlyasfascinatedinlearningthestatisticsoffolkswhofabricatetheirowntruthabouttheirweight.Itseemssosillytometolieabouteitherifyouareactuallyplanningtomeetsomeone.Althoughtheexcusesonewouldmakeupaboutwhytheyare2inchesshorter,or50poundsheaviermaysoundfunnierinmyheadthanverbalized.
2. September18,2010at5:15pmnicksays:
ThatissobizarreaboutthereligionaspectandIhavenoticedthatthevastmajorityofwomenonlinereallydonotpracticeanyreligion.Iguaranteeyou90%ofthesepeoplealsohaveatleast3tattoosanddonthaveaclearcutideaofwhattheywanttodoforaliving.Iknowthisispassingjudgmentandalittleunfairtosaybut,justseeforyourself.
Whydomostwomenreallydisguisetheirpersonalitiesanddontexpectmennottothroughoutpettycompliments?WhenyousayIliketohavefunwithmyfriendsthatsaysabsolutelynothingaboutyouNowondertheirissuchanegativestereotypetointernetdatingfromafemaleperspective,theyjustdonttakeitseriouslyorputmuchfaithinit.
3. September18,2010at5:46pmElliotsays:
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allofthisseemslikegoinfo,illgiveitatrybecausemylastemailshavenotworkedjackshitformeormyprofile.
4. September18,2010at11:37pmSaadiasays:
WOWIgetwhymystupidnetspeakturnsguysoffnow.IwishIreadthisarticleearlier!!!ANDCALMDOWNPEOPLE!Thepointwastokeepreligionoutofcontextuntilyougettoknowthepersonbetter.
5. September20,2010at6:40pmJesussays:
IwasntgoingtocommentbutIcouldntworkoutifthiswassarcasm,trollingordeludedranting(Illassumethefirst):
Atheistslovetofeelpersecuted.Thathighnumbercomesfromidiotssaying,Itssohardtofindattractiveatheistswho*understand*me.Noitsnot.FreakingeverybodyontheInternetisanatheist.Getoveryourselves.
Itmademewanttoknowthecorrelationbetweenatheismandhavingasenseofhumourbecauseitsurelookslikepracticallythesamethingallthewaytotheoppositeendofthespectrumafterreadingthat.LookatJonStewartandColbertvstheFOXnewscrowd.Yeshesjewishbuthisaudienceislargelyatheistoratleastmadeupofthosethatdonttaketheirreligionsoseriously,includinghimself.
AnyatheistwouldbejustbethinkingWTF????andthenlaughingtheirheadoff.Athiestsareimmunefromfeelingpersecuted,asatheistsatleast,sincebydefinitionisdoesntdefineanypartoftheiregoandwhereisthisone
Yesitcancomeacrossasbeinganinsensitiveassholetothoseontheothersidebutbeingabletolaughattheworldingeneralprobablyhelpsquitealotincomingacrossaslessserious,whichseemstocorrelatewithgettingmoreresponses.
PS:sorryifthisisaduplicatepostbutIgotnoindicationthatthefirstonedidanything.
6. September25,2010at3:12pmMostafasays:
itsTerribletomakeGODthelastthingonthelist!Wakeuppeoplepleaaaaaaase!
7. September28,2010at3:21pmJamessays:
IdontthinkdenyingGodisgoingtohelpyoufindagirlfriendbud.
8. September30,2010at2:57amAlexeisays:
Howsitgoing?Youmention(band,zombie,movies),andIprettymuchthink(band,zombie,movies)areawesome.Especiallywhen(bandplayed,zombieland,moviescene).Sorry,Ineverreallyknowwhattosayatfirstinthese.
Thismuchis189characterswithoutspaces,226with.Thisiswhatgetsreplies.Apparentlyinsightdoesntmatter(showmewheretheresspaceforit)...itsallaboutthefirstimpressionofbeingonlymildlyinterested.
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(optional)ifyourebothatheist:Iadmireyouratheism..or..Dothechristiansbugyoutoo?(Authorofthiscommentischristian)
9. October2,2010at11:55amVivekSPanickersays:
Itwasreallyhelpful.Iusedtosendwinkbutcouldntseeanyreplies.RecentlyIfoundagirlveryattractiveandsentheramessagebysaying,Youlookawesome.Keepup.Surprisinglysherepliedtothatmessageandsheaddedmetoherfriendslist!
10. October5,2010at10:13pmRandysays:
WhatIfindmostinterestingisthatwhenpeoplesaytheyreatheist,theymostofthetimemeantheyreagnostic.Atheismisthedisbeliefinanyorallsupremebeings,deities,gods,whathaveyou,andwhenyouaskanatheistiftheybelievetherecouldbeasupremepower,butnotneccassarilyGodperse,theyoftenagree.ThatsagnosticismandthisissomethingthatIvenoticedalotgrowingup.
however,Ihavetosay,thesectiononnetspeakisprettyfunnybecauseitstrue,allofthatlingoissuperannoying,andnothingisworsethanwhensomeoneactuallysayslolintherealworldinsteadofactuallylaughing.
anyway,justmytwocents.
11. October9,2010at5:18amRDCsays:
Ifinditreallyinterestingtoapproachthisfromtheviewpointofastudyonmodernsexuality.Asamale,Ifindalloftheserulesthatwevecreatedmostoftentakemeawayfrombeingmyself,whileincreasingmysuccessinmeetingpeopleatthesametime.IfindthatIamconsistentlyrewardedfornotbeingmyself,andinsteadactinglikethepersonthatsocietyandwomenwouldaccept.IamcertainthatIamnotaloneinthis.Suppose,forexample,thatIfoundsomethinggenuinelyveryinterestingaboutafemalesonlinedatingprofile.Iwouldholdbacktheimpulsetocommunicatewithgreatenthusiasm,becauseIknowthatmostwomenwouldbeturnedoffbythis.ShouldIreallydescribemylifephilosophyorwhatreallydrivesmeormakesmehappyinthislife,inmyprofile?Byandlarge,Ihavefoundthatalongprofileisseenasanegativeortoointense.Icouldgoonandon.Thiswholeprocessturnspeopleintorobots.Iwishthatwe,asapeople,couldfinditinourselvestomovebeyondtheseverynarrowlydefinedculturalroles.Forexample,95%ofwomenwillnevermessageaguyonline.Bythesametoken,95%ofwomenwillnevereverapproachamaninpublic,nomatterhowattractiveorinterestingthatmanseemstoher.Ifinditinexplicablethatweasaasasocietywouldcreatesuchstrictrulesforthewaypeopleshouldact.Whatthiscreatesisasocietyofmenwholearnbehyperaggressive,bothintherealworldandvirtually.Yetwomenoftencomplainaboutmanswarlikeagrotendencies.Iblamenoparticularsex,thisissomethingthatweneedtoworkthroughasacultureandasahumanity.Ijustwish,eventhoughitseemsimpossible,thatweasasocietycouldfindawaytoexpectnothing,unlearnwithjoy,andbefree,bothinthewaythatwereceivethosearoundus,andinourownpersonalfreedomofexpression.
12. October9,2010at5:20amRDKsays:
Ifinditreallyinterestingtoapproachthisfromtheviewpointofastudyonmodernsexuality.Asamale,Ifindalloftheserulesthatwevecreatedmostoftentakemeawayfrombeing
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myself,whileincreasingmysuccessinmeetingpeopleatthesametime.IfindthatIamconsistentlyrewardedfornotbeingmyself,andinsteadactinglikethepersonthatsocietyandwomenwouldaccept.IamcertainthatIamnotaloneinthis.Suppose,forexample,thatIfoundsomethinggenuinelyveryinterestingaboutafemalesonlinedatingprofile.Iwouldholdbacktheimpulsetocommunicatewithgreatenthusiasm,becauseIknowthatmostwomenwouldbeturnedoffbythis.ShouldIreallydescribemylifephilosophyorwhatreallydrivesmeormakesmehappyinthislife,inmyprofile?Byandlarge,Ihavefoundthatalongprofileisseenasanegativeortoointense.Icouldgoonandon.Thiswholeprocessturnspeopleintorobots.Iwishthatwe,asapeople,couldfinditinourselvestomovebeyondtheseverynarrowlydefinedculturalroles.Forexample,95%ofwomenwillnevermessageaguyonline.Bythesametoken,95%ofwomenwillnevereverapproachamaninpublic,nomatterhowattractiveorinterestingthatmanseemstoher.Ifinditinexplicablethatweasaasasocietywouldcreatesuchstrictrulesforthewaypeopleshouldact.Whatthiscreatesisasocietyofmenwholearnbehyperaggressive,bothintherealworldandvirtually.Yetwomenoftencomplainaboutmanswarlikeagrotendencies.Iblamenoparticularsex,thisissomethingthatweneedtoworkthroughasacultureandasahumanity.Ijustwish,eventhoughitseemsimpossible,thatweasasocietycouldfindawaytoexpectnothing,unlearnwithjoy,andbefree,bothinthewaythatwereceivethosearoundus,andinourownpersonalfreedomofexpression.
13. October11,2010at10:50amNicko89says:
Ivewitnessedthesamescenarioseverydatingsiteivegoneto.
Match.comEHarmonyPlentyofFishJazzedEvowetc.
Ithasalltreatedmethesame,anditseemsnoamountofmethodscouldhelpgaineventheslightestresponseofsomeonewhowouldactuallyenjoyatleasthavingaconversationwithme,andmaybewanttodatelater.Igiveoutamessageibarelyreceiveanyresponses,andtheworstofitisthatmanyofthesamewomendontevenlookatmyprofile.Nowimwonderingifimtalkingtosomerobot.idontevenknow.Howmuchofmyselfcanipresenttoawoman,italmostseemsasifeveryonewantssomeone,andyetnoonewantsanyone.
Onlinedatingisjuststartingtobecomeextremelytedious,butikeeplingeringonthinkingsomeonemightfindmeinteresting.Imdecentlooking,ihavegoals,ihaveafuture,ikeepmyprioritiesstraight.Maybeijustcantwheninapoolofbadapples
14. October12,2010at2:17pmDwightMorrisonsays:
Interestingarrayofviews,ImustsaymyexperienceofonlinedatingislikeonlinemarketingtryingtocomeupwiththenextbigideaandattractionasmanysalesaspossibleallthisusingtherightwordsandsayingtherightthingislikegoogleadwordsgrantedIllbetryingsomeifnotallthesemethodsandseeingwhereitgetsmealongasImnotsellingmysoul.
15. October12,2010at11:07pmSomebodysays:
SohereistheperfectmessageusingwhatIgleanedfromtheabove:
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HeySenoritagirly,
VerysorrytointerruptyoubutIwanttotellyouhowniceyouareandImightaddprettyawesomehaha.IfZeuswasstillstalkingabouthewouldsnagyouinhiswifesackinaflashoflighteninghaha.Althoughyoudidntmentionitinyourprofile,Icanimagineyouplayingleadguitarinametalzombiebandwellsorrythatcertainlycameoutinanawkwardway.Sorry,maybeIjustsaidthatasIhavebeenbrowsingtheliteratureaboutzombies,tattoosandpiercings.DoyouknowthattheyalloriginatedinTransylvaniawithVladIIItheImpaler?Younodoubtknowofthetorturesheinflicted.Ifhisvictimssurvivedtheywereturnedintowellpiercedzombies.Tattooswereameansofmarkinghissubjectsaspunishments,marksofrank,andasameansofsendingorderstohiscohorts.Thatsprettyawesomeisntithaha?BythewayIamanAtheistsorry.
16. October13,2010at1:37pmMikesays:
Interestingarticle,andespeciallytheresponsethereligionanalysishasreceived.
Imsuretheactualprocessofgettingthatreplyalsoincludescheckingthesendersprofile,thatis,notonlythemessagesent.Youguyshavedonesuchagreatjobteasingoutfascinatinginformationfromthedatabaseshere,iwonderifyoucouldmanageananalysisofthatdynamic.
Bytheway,Idolistmyselfasanatheistandhavereadmanyprofilesofpeoplefittingthatplusothercriteria,particularlyeducation,andcanseeanumberofcorrelations,suchasanaffinityforNPR.Makeofthatwhatyouwill.
17. October20,2010at1:43pmamolibrisays:
Verygoodpoints.Usefulinformationtoo.Ivecaughtsomespammymessages,whereitsprettyobviousthatpeoplearebroadcastingortrollingbysendingthesamemessagetomanyrecipients.Iveneverhadanyoneadmititbuttherearenofurthermessagesfromthemeither!~)ThereareSOmanyerrorsingrammarandspellingthatitsreallysad.Peoplewhosaytheyarecollegegraduates,dontknowthedifferencebetweenthenandthan,yourandyoure,their,thier,there,theyre,etc.Runaspellcheckatleast,forpetessake.Alsoanyonewhomentionsheadgamesordramaqueens.OUTOUTOUT.
18. October28,2010at2:17pmJeffsays:
DearBelieverandparticularlyEvangelicalXians,
Iamanatheist.Assuch,Idontdenytheexistenceofagod.AsanatheistIlackabeliefinagod.Thetotalabsenceofsomething,suchasabelief,isnotsomethinginandofitself.ThatIdonthavethisbeliefandyoudodoesnotrequireofmeadenialjustbecauseyouwishtodenywelivewithinasecularsociety.
Beanatheistifyouwanttodatemeandbetrusted.
19. November2,2010at8:48pmCorisays:
IwouldthinkthatsayingwhatsuporhowsitgoingismoresuccessfulbecausetheyarequestionsandgiveyousomethingtosayinaresponseIrealizeitsamessage,butaquestion
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actuallyINVITESaresponse.Theguycouldbesendingmessagestoseveralgirlseachday,ifyoudontrespond,someonewill.Itslikeanicebreaker.Easyquestionfirst,gofromthere.
20. January8,2011at11:33pmNeedaYentasays:
Iveusedonlinedatingsitesonandofffor6years,andithasbeeninterestingtosaytheleast.Totheguysouttheregettingfrustratedbyalackofresponse,understandthatmenoutnumberwomen9to1onmostsites.Soforevery1emailyousend,Ireceive9.Itsnowonderyoudonthearbackfromeveryone.Ihadsomanyresponses,Ilinedup35datesadayuntilIfoundwhatIwaslookingfor.Idoubtthatmostwomenhavethatkindoftime,sojustunderstanditsamatterofsupplyanddemand.Donttakeitpersonal.Also,tryusingalineintheemailthatyouwoulduseinperson.Younoticesomethingabouther,andcommentonit.Thatmeansyouhavetoreadherentireprofile,andthencommentonwhatyoufoundinterestingorcurious.YourtriptoGreecesoundsawesome!Idlovetohearmoreaboutit.Donotaskaclosedendedquestion.Askanopenendedquestionthatrequiresmorethanaonewordanswer.ThatisSales101andwereallsellingheresellingtheideathatafuturewithuswouldbeawesome!MylastpointtoallthemenoutthereRememberthisonethingfortherestofyourlivesSmartwomenwanttohearthattheyarebeautiful(attractive,cute,etc.)Beautifulwomenwanttohearthattheyaresmart.Givethemwhattheywantandyoullbeinfasterthanatatooedathiestjoinsametalband.Goodluck.
21. January10,2011at1:44amMicahsays:
ThisisoneofthemostinterestingblogsIveeverread.InreadingthecommentsitseemsasifImreadingmyownthoughts.Ivehadallthesethoughtsexceptforthebitbythejudgmentalprude.Thatpersonisjustclosedmindedandlockedinabubble.Anyway,thebitaboutonlinedatingmarketing.Ithinkthisguyisontosomething.Iveactuallythoughtaboutthisoften.IvedatedsomegirlsthatIvemetfromdatingwebsites.Ivecreatedprofilesthatwerefollowingthepopulartrend,statusquo,astonotrocktheboat,followallthepickupartistrulesofsocialengagementandIdefinitelygetmoreresponsesultimatelyleadingtomoredates.Ivealsocreatedanexperimentalprofilethatmostresemblesmytruepersonality.Unfortunately,thefakeprofilewonbyalandslide.Itssadthatmytruepersonalitywasconsideredtheexperimental.Thereareafewinterestingpointshere.Tojustifyusingastatusquoprofileistoincreasethechancesofactuallymeetingyourpotentialmate.Footinthedoor.Onlinedatinghasbecomeanotherlayerofmeetingyoursoulmate.Technologyismakingtheworldasmallerplacebutatthesametimeseparatingourselvesfromactualinterpersonalinteraction.Textingisagreatexampleanditcangobothways.SomemaybebetteratcommunicationthroughtextbutIwouldthinkthemajorityofcoupleshavemetthroughactualconversationinperson.Hereistheneworderofmeetingsomeoneyoumayhititoffwith:1.Wink,2.Message,3.Facebook,4.Texting,5.Telephone(thisisthefirsttimeyouactuallyhearyourpotentialdatesvoiceandthiscangoonforseveralweeks),Finally,youmeetforadate.Newrulesofengagmentarehere.Trygoingoutoforderandyoumayfindthatthefemaleisturnedoff.Theperfectmessagewasveryfunny,sorryforsayingso.Iactuallyhaveapiercedzombietatoo.MaybethatswhyIvehad452datesinthelasttwoyears.
22. January13,2011at12:23amTheFlyingSpaghettiMonstersays:
Iwonderifatheistsgetmorerepliesbecausetheresmoreofthemonthissite,duetothefactthatitshardtofindnonatheistswhoarewillingtodateone(atleastfrommyexperience,whichmostlyinvolvespeopletellingmeImgoingtohell).
23. January13,2011at10:22am
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Johnsays:
ImsuretheAtheistConnectionisjustthatevenamongyoungpeople,itsstillachristiansociety,andfindinganotherAtheistthoughnotdifficult,especiallywiththematchsystemgivesyouasenseofconnection.Maybenotaplacetostart,butthatsoneimportantsetofvaluesthatIknowwethenhaveincommon!
24. January14,2011at6:14ampoopoosays:
Iknowwhyapologizeandkindaandpardontheexpressionimprovethechancesofguys.
Itsbecauseonyoursite98percentoftherespondentsareAmericans1.9percentareCanadiansand.1percentareBritons.
WhenanAmericanwritessomething,andhewantstosay,greatdame,acceptmyapologyforinteracting,andpleasenotehowIdidnotwriteplease,bythetimeitistyped,itmophrsonthescreenasadpfoigunae98gaw3eyw0uyawerugyaewiuerthentheAmericanclicksonSAND.
IblametheAmericanPublicSchoolsystem,andofcoursetheRepublicans.
Soyourdatawascollectedfromcanadianstocanadians.Thisiswhytheapologeticwordsweresosuccessful:we,incanada,usecouldIbotheryoutosorry,Iapologize,IdidnotmeantointerruptyourapologytothegameswardenmuchlikeyouAmysusegoddamnedmofoshitforbrainsormybitch,yourbitch,whosebitchandfucking,whichAmyphrasesaretypedasadsfogaeaegxclknuhy8tujlepy.sdopfighsi,diuhyftrgyer7ygandgolly.Ofcoursenobodyusesspellcheckcoziftheydid,theuserswouldnotrecognizethesuggestions.BillGatesneedstoinventauniversaliconthatsimplysignifies,fuckyouassholeandthenthesuggestiondepartmentwouldbeorganizedandquiteagain.
25. January14,2011at6:18amgegesays:
theworst6wordsyoucanuseinafirstmessageareallstupidslang
Famouslastwords.Intwentyyearstheywillbethemostintelligentwords.
Imean,lookatchristianity.Theystartedoutasabunchoflionfeed,andtheywentontogreatfortuneandfame,theirstrongholdonEuropeancivilizationonlyweakenedinthelast5060years.After2000gloriousandmostlycelibateyearsthattheirzenithlasted.
26. January17,2011at3:35amRosesays:
Forme,itsnotsomuchthatphysicalcomplimentsareabadthing,itsthatwhentheyaretherethereareusuallynoothercompliments.IdontmindwhensomeonetellsmeImprettywhens/healsosaysthatitsfascinatingthatImacomposerorthatImsmart.ButwithalltheinfothatIhaveaboutmyselfonmyprofile,ifallyouhavetosayisthatImprettyorIhaveanicesmile,andnothingaboutanythingelse,themessagethatsendsisthatmyvalueisinmylooksandallmytalentsandaccomplishmentsareunimportant.Seehowthatisntallthatflattering?Idontwanttodatesomeonewhotreatsmeasanobject,whoshouldbeseenandnotheard.
ThatswhatIthinkthisadvicetiesinto.Complimenthim/heronpersonalityratherthanlooks,mentionspecificinterestsallthatsuggeststhatyouvereadhis/herprofileandfinditintriguing.Notjustlookedathis/herphotosanddecidedthatthatisenough.Afterall,ifthe
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photosareallyouneed,thenitkindofistruethatyouonlyvaluethepersonforhis/herlooks,right?
27. January17,2011at4:31amRosesays:
Also,dudeabovemeishilarious.Howmanyofthose452datesactuallyledtorelationships,orevenjustseconddates?ConsideringyourprofileisONEBIGLIE!
Andamagicformula?WomenarenotTheBorg.Weallhavedifferentthingswelike.Personally,Ifindwinkshighlycheesyandcantstandthem.Ialsodontliketextingwhensomeonecouldeasilycallme.
28. January17,2011at11:43pmHydraJensays:
Theresnothingmetalaboutbeingavegetarian.Justsayin
29. January18,2011at5:00pmbrendasays:
awkwerdisbetterilikesayingthat
30. January28,2011at5:43pmravenfairydustsays:
Considerbecominganatheistisaratherironicadvicecomingfromadatingsite,aplacewherepeopledemonstrativelyhavetroubleestablishingandmaintaininggoodrelationshipshencetheirpresence(andsubsequentfailure)here.Youknow,anotherinterpretationcouldbethatsomeonewhoISabletoestablisharelationshipwithanyoneincludingGodisthereforeunrelatabletothetypicaldatingsiteuser.
justsaying.
31. January28,2011at6:14pmBobbysays:
JuststartedouttryingthisonlinedatingsceneandIcantellyouitsalotharderthanitsounds,Imaguyandmusthavesentoutdozensanddozensofmessagesdoalldifferentandinterestingwomen.IdoNOTsendoutthetypicalmessagesthatmostdobycomingupwithoneor2paragraphsandmassemailingthemouttohundredsofwomen,Iactuallytakethetimetoreadtheirprofileandwritebacksomethingintorelationtowhattheirinterestsorfavoritemoviemightbe,ithasgottenmenowhere!!!!
32. January30,2011at6:18pmRichsays:
Ithinkitsreallyasadcommentaryonsociety,thatreligionseemstobeaturnoff.ImadethemistakeofmarryingsomeonewhowasnottrulyaChristianandithelpedtocontributetoanunhappyrelationshipbeforeshedivorcedme(shegotwhatshewantedkidsandhadnouseformeafterwards).MyfaithandbeliefsareextremelyimportanttomeandifIhavetowaitalongtimebeforeIfindsomeonewhosharesthosebeliefs,sobeit.
33. February1,2011at2:37amTimLsays:
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Obviouslyatheistsaremorelikelytoshowuponthisonlinedatingsite.Ifindthatthetermisusefulasaproxyforcertaincharacteristics(especiallyforgirls,thoughobviouslyIdonthaveasmuchexperiencewithguysprofiles)multiplepiercings,shortpinkhair,fondnessforcertainuniquemusicgenres.Assuch,becauseIdontmatchwiththatpersonalitytype,IhavecheckedallbutatheistonreligionwhenIbrowse.Ithasnothingtodowithmyideology.Ijustliketoscreenoutcertaintypesofpeople.
Comparethissitetoaverage,secular,bigcitysociety.Ihavemanyfriendswhoarenonreligiousoronlynominallyreligious.Amongmyreligiousfriends,relativelyfewarevisiblyorvocallyreligious.Yetatthesametime,Ihaveonlyseveralfriends/acquaintanceswhowouldopenlydescribethemselvesasatheistsandvery/somewhatseriousaboutit.Ishouldaddthatthehandfulofvocalatheistsareallguys!
ImustemphasizeagainthatIhavenothingagainstatheism.Iamquiteskepticalmyselfonmattersofreligion.Butthatparticularfindingintheoutlineaboveisnotatallsurprising,andalsorepresentsoneofthemostsignificantdifferencesbetweentheOKCupidcommunityandthemainstream,20somethingurbancommunity.
34. February2,2011at5:06pmkenzie0913says:
IhavetosayIfoundthisveryinterestingtoread.IfoundmyselfthinkingaboutthemessagesIsendaswellastheonceIreceive.Ifeellikemostofitisprettyaccurate.IknowpersonallyIliketofeellikethepersonmessagingmeactuallyhasreadthroughmyprofileoratleastseemsreallyfriendlythenIwillrespond.Ofcoursethisstudydidnottakeotherfactorsintoconsiderationlikelooks.Iknowthatitishumannaturethatpeoplewilltakethatintoconsideration.Ifsomeoneisbetterlookingtheyareprobablymorelikelytorespondtoamessagethatisntasfriendlyorpersonal.Thatisjustaguess,butsomethingtopointout.WhenIwasscrollingthroughIsawtheydiddoastudywithlooks.IguessIllhavetocheckitout!
35. February2,2011at7:47pmCCsays:
IWILLNEVERDENYGOD!!EVER!
36. February2,2011at8:34pmCupidstrikesUsays:
Ibelievethedifficultyrestsupontheunnaturalmediumofawrittenmessageasitappliestotheambienceofdatingandfirstimpressions.Incommunicating,apersoncomprehendsmoreinwhattheyseenonverballythanwhattheyhearverbally.Inthislight,apersoncaneasilyjestusingalooktoinformtheircounterpartthattheyarenotbeingserious.Thisisthecourtship,sotospeak,offlirtingwithlightorhardsarcasmthatpromoteswitandcharm,interest,andotheraspectsthatallrelyheavilyuponeyecontactandnonverbalclues.
Mostofushavegrownuptoanatural,facetofaceapproachthatsimplycannotbeexpressedequallyinawrittenmessage.Howcanapersonbefunnyorcharismaticwhentheycantrollwordsofftheirtongue,rolltheireyes,giveacertainlookorafacialexpressionofahalfcrookedsmile?Inmostcases,itcannotbedone,andindoingso,peoplelosetheirmosteffectivewaytocommunicate.Thisresultsindifficultywithwhattosayinwrittenformbecauseitmustnotonlysoundlikeapersonissayingit,butitalsomustbesaidnonverbally,thusbecomingsomewhatunnatural.
Ineffect,ExactlyWhatToSayInAFirstMessageisacontradictionbecauseyoucannotsaysomethingthatiswritten.Tobeeffectiveinyourfirstmessage,justimaginethatyou
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aretalkingtoablindperson,andyoucantalkonlylikearobot.Allyourwordswillcomeoutthesamemanner,tone,andstyle.Yourmessagecannotbeoverbloatedwithunnecessarywords.Theyshouldbeshort,simple,andconcise.Thespecificityshouldrelatetoacommoninterest,andnotcomplicatedwhichmeansonlyaskoneortwoquestion.Donotbecomeaninterrogator.
Thesituationwillbecomemoredifficultifyousucceedinthisfirstattempt,becausenowthenextstepisExactlyWhatToSayWhenSomeoneResponsesToYourFirstMessage.Inanotherwords,itwillbemuchmoredifficulttokeeptheflowgoing.Isuggestchangingthemediumassoonaspossibletothefacetofacemeetingwhereyouwillbeabletoutilizeyourbestability,thenonverbalcues.PhonesandIMsarefine,butwrittenmessageswillultimatelybecomedull.However,allthatisjustmyopinion.
37. February5,2011at3:15amMarksays:
Imnotclaimingtobeanexpertatthisbyanymeans.ImfairlycertainthatIminthetop20%ofmaleusersonherelookswise.Igetamessageeveryotherdayorso,mostlyfromwomenthatIamnotphysicallyattractedto.SowhenIdofindagirlthatIfindattractive,Istillhavetomessageherfirst.Shemayhaveviewedmyprofile,butImstilltakingtheinitiation.
Iwouldalsosaymysuccessrateonmessagesreturnedishigherthantheaverageaswell.Iprobablygetback3540%ofthemessagesIsendout,duetofactorslikelastloginin,thewomenImessageget9messagesaday,ect.
WhileIdonthaveacutanddrycopy/pastemessageIsendout(Imetawomanfromhere,andoverdrinks,shetoldmeherandherroommatearealwaysgettingthesameexactmessagesfrommen)Idotendtostickwiththesamebasicformula.
Hey,Howsitgoing?
Inoticed(yourinschool/likeeminem,hatepuppies)andImnowwondering(whenyougraduate,ifyoulikejayztoo,howmanypuppiesyouvemurdered).AndthentrytomakesomesortcommentthatshowsIhaveajokingsidetoo.
Im63,andthegirlItookoutfordrinksis411.
SomyfirstmessagetoherwasYoure411,howtallistootall?anditgeneratedaresponsewhileusuallysheisgettingahey,whatsup?orsomethingoverlycomplimentaryoroverlysexual.
38. February5,2011at6:12amAussenansichtsays:
(Firstsorryforbadusageoftheenglishlanguage,needmorepractice )
@Randy(Oct5th,2010)Iknow,thatsaoldpost.
Buthey,itstheonlyonemakessense
Therestofyouitisinterestinghowthisarticleisbeingmisunderstood.Andwhatshowsthesimplicityofthecommoncrowditisremarkablewhatthereactionsonthereligionspartofthearticleare.
Someofyouarereally,reallyblindedbythesunYouseethewordsgodandnoreligion
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andimmediatelyyougetyourgunsandarereadytofight.Heynooneonthisarticlesaidsomethingbadaboutyourreligion.Andmaybethatstypicalamerican:notolerancetothenonbeliverthisremindsmeofthepeopleyourefightingagainstinyourwaronterror
Haveaniceday.
39. February5,2011at11:21pmcjsays:
IwilltakeastandforGodinallHisGloryforever..
40. February8,2011at2:35pmDorje013says:
@RDC,RDK,Micah:Yup,studysocialdynamics.Youandmebabyarenothingbutmammalsandasfarasmostpeoplego,theyhavenocontroloverwhetherornottheyareattractedtoyou.Ifyouwantachance,youmustcreateattraction,itisthemalesrole.Youshouldalsoconsiderwhyawomanmaynotbeattractedtowhoyoureallyareitisbecauseyouaredemonstratinglowersurvivalorsocialvaluewithyourbehavior.Ifyoucanunderstandit,youcanchangeit.Imnotsayingtopretendtobesomeoneyouarenot,butyourissuesarebeingbroughttolightandyounowhaveanopportunitytodecideifthisistrulyyouormaybeyoudliketochange?
Anyway,thisarticleisSOINCOMPLETEbecausethe#1factorinwhetheryouwillgetareplytoyourmessageisyourphotos.
41. February8,2011at3:06pmCGGsays:
WhatnoHowdy?
42. March15,2011at11:34pmhahaha!!says:
ToMarkabove.
IhavetoagreewiththemethodIhavebeenonOKCforaboutamonthnow.Thishaslandedmeaboutacoupleofdatesaweek.Igettobeveryselective,andIhaveastrictprotocolIfollow.Itypicallygetatleastamessageaday.Iwouldconsidermylookstobeaboveaverage,yetIalsocarrymyselfwelloutinpublic.Ifinditallofthistobeverysatisfyingandenjoyable.Ihaveatendencytohavefilledupmyinboxinthisshortamountoftime.
Butwhatisstrikingthemostaretheamountofhypocritesthatareoutthere.Yesladies,you..Whydoyouwinkatmewhenyouexplicitlystatethatyoudontlikeitandfinditcreepy.Whydoyouthinkitisokforyoutodoit??Alsodontsavesoyoucanwatchmecomeon,orwhenIsayhello,yousayyoujustsavedmetolookatmyprofilelaterpffft!!!right..hahahaha!!
Tooallthosepoorguysouttherethatarehavingsuchahardtime,gobackandreevaluateyourself.Gofindanalphaandpickupsomeideasthatwork.Iamnottalkingaboutpuffingoutyourchestandbeingjustphysicallystronger,butstartwithyourselfesteem.Thatcarrysalotofweight.LikemybuddysaysFaketillyoumakeit.
Anotherthing,IwishOkChadaanonymousbuttonwhereafteryouhadadate,youcanclickanoptionofifyouscored(gotlaid,.whateveryouwanttocallit)ornot.IwouldLOVEtoseethestatiscaldataonthis.Iwouldhavedingthatbuttonquiteafewtimesallready.
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Ohyeah,,Ifeelreally,really,really,andImeanreallybadforyoushortguysoutthere,Ihavenever,seensuchdirectdiscriminationeverinmylifeIguessithelpswithmebeing64andconfident..remember,confidence!!,dontconfuseitforcockiness!
AllIhavetosayisTHANKYOUOkC!!!!
43. March16,2011at8:01amsoultrsays:
Ithinkyouneedtoalsolookatthecountriesthelettersarewrittentoorfrom.IfyouwritetoachristiancountryandtelltheladyyounotbelieveinGod,youwillgetfewresponces.
44. March17,2011at2:40amJustinsays:
WhyisiteverytimethattheOKCstaffpostsascientific(althoughhumorouslydisseminated)studyofsomesort,thesecommentsturnintoawhinefestaboutpeoplefeelingjadedaboutreligion,looks,thefactthatotherpeoplewontmessagethem,orwhateverelsetheyfeeltheneedtocomplainabout?
Thisarticlewasveryinformativeandtakeitforwhatitisananalysisofdatawhichmayormaynothelpyouinachievingmoreresponsestoyourmessages.
45. March21,2011at11:45pmGilinX9says:
Ithinkatheistzombiesarecoolandawesome,especiallywhentheydebateaboutmetaphysics.=]
46. March24,2011at9:32amEdsays:
Imsorrybutthisisallbullshit.
IvebeenanatheistsincemyteensandIdideverythinginthisbloginnatelyevenbeforereadingit.Imnotapersonthatgivescomplimentsforthesakeofgivingcompliments.AmIgettingwomentryingtomakeoutwithmeleftandright?No.Hell,Idkillforawomantotalkto!!
Faceit,Womenjustdonttakedatingwebsitesthatseriously,especiallyfreeones.Theydontuseitasameanstogetdates,theyuseitasameanstogetattention.Thatsthetruth.Theyjustdontgiveashit.
47. April9,2011at6:57amshellysays:
CoolinsightsIthinkmostaretrueonasubliminallevel.Thereshouldbeastudyoncodewordsthatwomenuselikecurvy,voluptuous,BBW,thick,orfullfiguredCanweallbehonestandlookagainattheveryadequate,universalword,FAT!Puhleeez.Overweightisoverweightpeople.Putdownthefoodandandyawonthavetocomeupwithsillycodewordsthattrytocoverupthefactthatfatisnotspelledfit.
48. April14,2011at12:00pmLSsays:
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MaybeImintheminorityherebut,mostofthestuffaboutwhatwomenrespondtodoesntapplytomeatall.Idonthaveanyproblemwithbeingcomplimentedonmylooks.InfactIlikeit.Ialsolookforenthusiasm,sincerity,intelligenceanduniquenessinthemessage.Bottomlinethough,ifImnotattractedphysicallythenImnotgoingtorespond,althoughImightappreciatesomeoneseffort,andevenletthemknowthat.
49. April18,2011at9:02amAndrewsays:
Theheightdifferencemightbeduetointelligenceandincomedifference.Sociallyawkwardinternetusersaremorelikelytobemoreintelligentthanaverageandtocomefromamorepriviledgedbackgroundthantheaverageperson.Specifically,itisextremelyunlikelythatpeoplewithIQbelow80wouldbeactiveinternetusers.
50. April18,2011at12:49pmJoesays:
Ihavebeenalreadyusingalltheinfothatwassaidonhere.WelleverythingexceptforbeinganatheistbecauseImnot.Imagnostic.ButIstilldontgetanyreplies.IamnicewhenImessagesomeone.Itryandgivethemalittlebackgroundinfoonmyself.IdontcommentontheirlooksmostlybecauseIthinkitssortofsleazy.ImeanIammessagingyou.ThatrightthereshouldtellyouthatIthinkyouareattractive.ItrynottosaytomuchandItrynottosaytolittle.IalsodontsayanythingthatistopersonalandIdontjustputHelloorHayinthesubline.ItsnormallysomethingquickthathastodowithathingIlikedabouttheirprofile.IevenendwithsomethingnicelikeIcantwaittohearfromyou..
ButthenIcomebackthenextdaytoseetheyhavebeenloggedonatsomepointinthatdaysotheydidgetthemessageandthinkoktheyarebusy.ButafewdaysgobyandIdontevengetareply.Nowthatiswhatpissesmeoff!Atleastacknowledgemyfuckingexistence!Tellmeyouhavealreadymeetsomeoneoryoudontthinkwewouldgowelltogether.OrevenIthinkyouruglywouldbebetterthannothingatall!
IreplytoeverymessagethatcomesmywayevenifIdontlikethegirljustsosheknowsIatleastgothermessage.Iwouldexpectthewomentodothesame.
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