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True Position Basics
NOTICE :
This presentation was given at the October 2007 “Lunch N Learn” at J&H Machine Tools in Charlotte.
The presentation is meant to be viewed with the narration and detailed explanation of the presenter.
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True Position Basics
Understanding True Position
Part 1 : Grasping the “Basics”
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True Position Basics
2.00±0.01
1.00±0.01
The Part
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True Position Basics
2.00±0.01
1.00±0.01
The Tolerances
1.99 2.01
0.99
1.01
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1.99 2.01
0.99
1.01
The Tolerance Zone
Part 1 Center Part 2
Center
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1.99 2.01
0.99
1.01
The Question… Which Part is Better?
Part 1 Center Part 2
Center
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0.99
1.01
Part 1 is within the tolerance zone, but…
Part 1 Center
1.99 2.01
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0.99
1.01
Part 2 is closer to the Nominal Center and will assemble easier than Part 1
Part 2 Center
1.99 2.01
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True Position Basics
How can we set up a tolerance band that fairly and functionally judges the position of features?
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True Position Basics
1.99 2.01
0.99
1.01
Part 1 Center Part 2
Center
Use a Circle instead of a Square!
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True Position Basics
Definition Time!!!
The result of a True Position Characteristic is the diameter of a circle, centered on the basic dimensions from the specified datums, that contains the actual center point.
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Mathematically Speaking….
True Position = ΔX2 + ΔY2 * 2
ΔX = Difference from Basic X value from Actual X value
ΔY = Difference from Basic Y value from Actual Y value
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2.00
1.00
New Part Print w/True Position
No Tolerances
Ø 0.01 A B C
A
B
C
True Position
Diametral Zone
Primary, Secondary, Tertiary Datums
Tolerance
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2.00
1.00
Here’s an Example Calculation
Ø 0.01 A B C
A
B
C
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CAN WE SHIP IT?
Ø 0.01 A B C
A
B
C
Actual Measurements:
X=2.003
Y=1.004
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Actual X = 2.003 Actual Y=1.004
Basic X=2.000 Basic Y=1.000
Δ X = 0.003 Δ Y = 0.004
TP = 0.0032+0.0042 * 2 or
TP = 0.009+0.016 * 2 or
TP = 0.025 * 2 or
TP = .005 * 2 so…..
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True Position = 0.010 Hole Center
0.005 from Nominal True Position
Result = 0.010
0.003
0.00
4 Nominal Center at X=2, Y=1 from Basic Dimensions
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2.00
1.00
Ø 0.01 A B C
A
B
C
Our True Position is within the Specification….
Barely!
CAN WE SHIP IT? YES, WE CAN!
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True Position Basics
Let’s do this very example in Calypso and see if the math works out!
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This is a Theoretical feature with X Y coordinates placed exactly at 2.003 and 1.004.
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2.00
1.00
Same Print, this time a “Real” Part
Ø 0.01 A B C
A
B
C
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On a “Real” Part:
X= 1.9619
Y= 1.0081
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Actual X = 1.9619 Actual Y = 1.0081
Basic X = 2.000 Basic Y = 1.000
Δ X = -0.0381 Δ Y = 0.0081
TP = -0.03812+0.00812 * 2 or
TP = 0.0015+0.0001 * 2 or
TP = 0.0016 * 2 or
TP = .0390 * 2 so…..
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True Position = 0.0779
Hole Center 0.0390 from Nominal 0.0390
True Position Result = 0.0779
0.0381 0.00
81
Nominal Center at X=2, Y=1 from Basic Dimensions
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Explanation Time!!!
The GD&T standard specifies that the FUNCTIONAL center be used for calculations. This means for a hole, that the Maximum Inscribed fit be used. Calypso does this automatically!
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Let’s see how this changes things.
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Watch out for Outliers!
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Now that we have that sorted out,
ONE MORE TIME!
X= 1.9504
Y= 1.0104
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Actual X = 1.9504 Actual Y = 1.0104
Basic X = 2.000 Basic Y = 1.000
Δ X = -0.0496 Δ Y = 0.0104
TP = -0.04962+0.01042 * 2 or
TP = 0.0025+0.0001 * 2 or
TP = 0.0026 * 2 or
TP = .0507 * 2 so…..
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True Position = 0.1014
Hole Center 0.0507 from Nominal 0.0507
True Position Result = 0.1014
0.0496 0.01
04
Nominal Center at X=2, Y=1 from Basic Dimensions
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“So if True Position only gives me distance from center, how do I know how to make my offsets?”
ONE MORE THING…..
You might say :
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Turn on Additional Position Result in the Characteristic Settings Editor.
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True Position Basics
Understanding True Position
You’ve got Questions, We have answers.
Part 1 : Grasping the “Basics”