earl storey interviews journalist susan mckay

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16 THURSDAY AUGUST 28 2008 Faith matters Religious Affairs Correspondent: William Scholes tel: 028 9033 7544 email: [email protected] Troubles legacy brought to book – but questions remain What right do the Churches have to be involved in dealing with the legacy of the Troubles? Not much, Irish News columnist Susan McKay tells Earl Storey W HAT is it like for a woman to have lived all her life waiting for a son to come back then to discover he has actually been lying in a bog for all those years? As she describes the pain of the mother of Columba McVeigh, one of the Disappeared, Susan McKay gives a voice and human face to the suffer- ing of the Troubles. Reflecting on her experience as a journalist covering some of the most tragic events of the Troubles she recognises that “for the family that story was only really beginning at the point where it ended for the journalist”. Susan McKay believes it is vital that we do not just simply walk away from the past. “The sheer brutality of what went on in all those years – it needs to be not forgotten,” she says. “We need to try and learn some- thing from it and not let it pass.” She talks of the past as being an embarrassment to some. “It is an embarrassment of course to Northern Ireland people in politi- cal power – the sort of things that were done,” she says. “People being shot in the back as they fed their animals, being blown up in front of their children. “People being shot dead in front of their families at the dinner table, people being stripped and left at the side of the road with a sign round their neck saying ‘Tout’.” While being grateful for the politi- cal process, McKay remarks that “the smiles at Stormont are great... but it’s important not to forget what went on to lead to the situation”. “Always after a conflict there is a tendency for the politicians to clean it up, clean up the history,” she says. But does dealing with the past endanger progress in the present? Her answer is clear. “A lot of injustice has been done to people who have already paid the highest price for the conflict in the north and now people in power are saying ‘We have to leave it all behind in the interests of the stability of the peace’,” she says. “As if somehow finding out what happened is going to collapse the government. “I don’t think that the agreement is so fragile that the truth emerging about what happened to people in the Troubles is going to knock it apart.” On asking McKay why looking at the past is so important she stresses the consequences for the future of not doing so. “If people’s sense of injustice and anger isn’t addressed then that’s storing up trouble for the future,” she says. She feels that it was a process of “acknowledging what happened and being determined to never create conditions that could ever give rise to such a situation again and ac- knowledging that there are people who are very badly hurt who need our respect”. McKay talks of some of the very murky things are beginning to emerge, including collusion. She talks of disturbing facets of collusion in relation to loyalist para- militaries. She also talks of how extraordinary it is to think of people in the republi- can movement who allegedly may have been “responsible for deciding which informers lived or died then turn out to have been working for the British – the implications are enor- mous”. For relatives of those who died there is often great anger. There are also questions. How come some people were saved and some were let go? Who was re- ally making these decisions? Susan McKay has difficult things to say about the newly established bodies that have been set up to address different aspects of the legacy of the Troubles. Her view of the Victims Commis- sion and its inception is that it is “a total fiasco... the DUP and Sinn Fein were simply unable to agree on a person so therefore they have put in place this completely unworkable [entity]”. Apart from the difficulty of defining its work or being clear how the commission is going to make deci- sions she felt there was a danger that we may “get people selecting the commissioner according to their own political background”. Feeling that the matter has become so sectarianised, she concludes that “it would have been symbolically significant if the DUP and Sinn Fein had been able to agree on a candi- date but the fact that they weren’t says it all”. Moving on to the Eames-Bradley Commission she describes it as “another peculiar body”. While not wanting to prejudge it she felt that the motivation for this initiative was to stall for time. Describing it as a leadership issue, she says that “those with the power to make decisions in these things should make them instead of constantly fobbing us off with these different bodies”. In essence McKay believes that such a body is a way of the powers that be pushing an issue aside. It is “playing for time because it was felt they wanted the new institutions to bed down and they felt that the issue of the past was potentially disruptive of that”. Reflecting on the composition of the Eames-Bradley body she has a sobering view of the Church. “Why should it be churchy people who decide all these things? “It’s not like the Church provided great leadership throughout the Troubles,” she says. Susan McKay does something very important. She highlights the range of human pain inflicted on those who suffered in the Troubles. “Some people obviously need on- going medical help. Some people need counselling,” she says. “Some people need to find out the truth about what happened to the person that was killed. “A lot of people don’t know, don’t know who was responsible and don’t know why their loved one was chosen. Some people want to know why it was never investigated.” Highlighting the present need, she says: “The war is over. Now is the time to address the needs of those who have been most hurt by it.” Her challenge about dealing with the past is also for the sake of the future. “Efforts need to be put into trying to inspire some sort of belief in poli- tics in the post-Troubles generation, and some sort of sense of idealism,” she says. “You are not going to inspire ideal- ism by telling people that the truth is too risky.” Perhaps McKay’s most poignant and sharp question comes in her relaying of the suffering of one woman from the Troubles. “Why did our lives have to be ruined for 30 years? Why couldn’t they have done this long ago? Why are they able to sit down together now? What’s different? Why couldn’t this have been possible 20 years ago before my brother was killed?” The question simply does not go away. Susan McKay is author of Bear in Mind These Dead, which explores the legacy of the Troubles. The Rev Earl Storey is director of the Church of Ireland’s Hard Gospel Project. “The sheer brutality of what went on in all those years – it needs to be not forgotten. We need to try and learn something from it and not let it pass” Susan McKay PRINCIPAL of Our Lady Of Mercy Primary School Sr Frances Forde celebrates her golden jubilee in Holy Cross parish hall in Ardoyne, north Belfast, with past pupil Gemma Corr, baby Aodhinne and Margret McGee. The occasion was marked for Sr Frances at Mass on August 19. This was followed by a reception in the hall at where parishioners congratulated Sr Frances. After many years as a headteacher she dedicated herself to parish ministry in a voluntary capacity in the Legion of Mary and the care of bereaved. She has also led a most productive prayer ministry and instructed many converts and children in the sacraments. PICTURE: Mal McCann Mercy principal celebrates her golden jubilee A VOICE FOR THE SUFFERING: Journalist and author Susan McKay with her book Bear in Mind These Dead PICTURE: Seamus Loughran

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Page 1: Earl Storey interviews journalist Susan McKay

16 THURSDAY AUGUST 28 2008 Faith matters Religious Affairs Correspondent: William Scholestel: 028 9033 7544 email: [email protected]

Troubles legacy brought tobook – but questions remainWhat right do theChurches have to beinvolved indealing withthe legacy ofthe Troubles?Not much,Irish News columnistSusan McKay tellsEarl Storey

WHAT is it like for awoman to have livedall her life waiting fora son to come backthen to discover he

has actually been lying in a bog forall those years?As she describes the pain of themother of Columba McVeigh, one ofthe Disappeared, Susan McKay givesa voice and human face to the suffer-ing of the Troubles.Reflecting on her experience as ajournalist covering some of the mosttragic events of the Troubles sherecognises that “for the family thatstory was only really beginning atthe point where it ended for thejournalist”.Susan McKay believes it is vital thatwe do not just simply walk away fromthe past.“The sheer brutality of what wenton in all those years – it needs to benot forgotten,” she says.“We need to try and learn some-thing from it and not let it pass.”She talks of the past as being anembarrassment to some.“It is an embarrassment of courseto Northern Ireland people in politi-cal power – the sort of things thatwere done,” she says.“People being shot in the back as

they fed their animals, being blownup in front of their children.“People being shot dead in frontof their families at the dinner table,people being stripped and left at theside of the road with a sign roundtheir neck saying ‘Tout’.”While being grateful for the politi-cal process, McKay remarks that “thesmiles at Stormont are great... but it’simportant not to forget what went onto lead to the situation”.“Always after a conflict there is atendency for the politicians to cleanit up, clean up the history,” she says.But does dealing with the pastendanger progress in the present?Her answer is clear.“A lot of injustice has been done topeople who have already paid thehighest price for the conflict in thenorth and now people in power aresaying ‘We have to leave it all behindin the interests of the stability of thepeace’,” she says.“As if somehow finding out whathappened is going to collapse thegovernment.“I don’t think that the agreementis so fragile that the truth emergingabout what happened to peoplein the Troubles is going to knock itapart.”On asking McKay why looking atthe past is so important she stressesthe consequences for the future ofnot doing so.“If people’s sense of injustice andanger isn’t addressed then that’sstoring up trouble for the future,” shesays.She feels that it was a process of“acknowledging what happened andbeing determined to never createconditions that could ever give riseto such a situation again and ac-knowledging that there are peoplewho are very badly hurt who needour respect”.McKay talks of some of the verymurky things are beginning toemerge, including collusion.

She talks of disturbing facets ofcollusion in relation to loyalist para-militaries.She also talks of how extraordinaryit is to think of people in the republi-can movement who allegedly mayhave been “responsible for deciding

which informers lived or died thenturn out to have been working for theBritish – the implications are enor-mous”.For relatives of those who diedthere is often great anger. There arealso questions.How come some people were savedand some were let go? Who was re-

ally making these decisions?Susan McKay has difficult thingsto say about the newly establishedbodies that have been set up toaddress different aspects of thelegacy of the Troubles.Her view of the Victims Commis-sion and its inception is that it is “atotal fiasco... the DUP and Sinn Feinwere simply unable to agree on aperson so therefore they have put inplace this completely unworkable[entity]”.Apart from the difficulty of definingits work or being clear how thecommission is going to make deci-sions she felt there was a danger thatwe may “get people selecting thecommissioner according to theirown political background”.Feeling that the matter has becomeso sectarianised, she concludes that“it would have been symbolicallysignificant if the DUP and Sinn Feinhad been able to agree on a candi-date but the fact that they weren’tsays it all”.Moving on to the Eames-BradleyCommission she describes it as“another peculiar body”.While not wanting to prejudge itshe felt that the motivation for thisinitiative was to stall for time.Describing it as a leadershipissue, she says that “those with thepower to make decisions in thesethings should make them instead ofconstantly fobbing us off with thesedifferent bodies”.In essence McKay believes thatsuch a body is a way of the powersthat be pushing an issue aside.It is “playing for time because it wasfelt they wanted the new institutionsto bed down and they felt that theissue of the past was potentiallydisruptive of that”.Reflecting on the composition ofthe Eames-Bradley body she has asobering view of the Church.“Why should it be churchy peoplewho decide all these things?

“It’s not like the Church providedgreat leadership throughout theTroubles,” she says.Susan McKay does something veryimportant. She highlights the rangeof human pain inflicted on those whosuffered in the Troubles.“Some people obviously need on-going medical help. Some peopleneed counselling,” she says.“Some people need to find out thetruth about what happened to theperson that was killed.“A lot of people don’t know, don’tknow who was responsible and don’tknow why their loved one waschosen. Some people want to knowwhy it was never investigated.”Highlighting the present need, shesays: “The war is over. Now is thetime to address the needs of thosewho have been most hurt by it.”Her challenge about dealingwith the past is also for the sake ofthe future.“Efforts need to be put into tryingto inspire some sort of belief in poli-tics in the post-Troubles generation,and some sort of sense of idealism,”she says.“You are not going to inspire ideal-ism by telling people that the truth istoo risky.”Perhaps McKay’s most poignantand sharp question comes in herrelaying of the suffering of onewoman from the Troubles.“Why did our lives have to beruined for 30 years? Why couldn’tthey have done this long ago? Whyare they able to sit down togethernow? What’s different? Why couldn’tthis have been possible 20 years agobefore my brother was killed?” Thequestion simply does not go away.

■■ Susan McKay is author of Bear inMind These Dead, which exploresthe legacy of the Troubles.The Rev Earl Storey is director ofthe Church of Ireland’s Hard GospelProject.

“The sheer brutalityof what went on in allthose years – it needsto be not forgotten.We need to try andlearn something fromit and not let it pass”

Susan McKay

PRINCIPAL of OurLady Of MercyPrimary SchoolSr Frances Fordecelebrates hergolden jubilee inHoly Cross parishhall in Ardoyne,north Belfast,with past pupilGemma Corr,baby Aodhinneand MargretMcGee.The occasion wasmarked for SrFrances at Masson August 19.This was followedby a reception inthe hall at whereparishioners

congratulatedSr Frances.After many yearsas a headteachershe dedicatedherself to parishministry in avoluntarycapacity in theLegion of Maryand the care ofbereaved.She has alsoled a mostproductive prayerministry andinstructed manyconverts andchildren in thesacraments.

PICTURE: Mal McCann

Mercy principalcelebrates hergolden jubilee

■ A VOICE FOR THE SUFFERING:Journalist and author Susan McKay withher book Bear in Mind These Dead

PICTURE: Seamus Loughran