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doc.: IEEE 802.11-15/1468r0 Submission November 2015 802.11 November 2015 WG Motions regarding attendance and voting rights Date: 2015-11-12 Authors: Knut Odman, Broadcom Slide 1 N am e A ffiliations A ddress Phone em ail K nutO dm an Broadcom 16340 W est Bernardo D rive, San D iego, CA 92127 +1 858-521-5147 kodman#@ broadcom.com

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doc.: IEEE /1468r0 Submission November 2015 Knut Odman, BroadcomSlide 3 WG Operations Manual 11-13/0001r4, clause These rules are made up inside this WG, so we can modify them at will.

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Submission

November 2015

802.11 November 2015 WG Motionsregarding attendance and voting rights

Date: 2015-11-12

Name Affiliations Address Phone email Knut Odman Broadcom 16340 West

Bernardo Drive, San Diego, CA 92127

+1 858-521-5147 kodman#@broadcom.com

Authors:

Knut Odman, BroadcomSlide 1

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Abstract• There have been discussions about how to reprimand

attendance “cheaters”. Many of us find the whole concept disrespectful and offensive.

• What is called for at this point is a complete revision of ourprocedures to reflect the level of expertise held by ourmembers, and their dedication of time and money to cometo meetings.

• A detailed review of governing documents show that weare within our rights to change how we operate, and

• Even if conflicts between rules arise, the membership hasthe ultimate power and mandate to enforce change.

Knut Odman, BroadcomSlide 2

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WG 802.11 Operations Manual 11-13/0001r4, clause 3.6.4.1

These rules are made up inside this WG, so we can modify them at will.

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WG 802.11 Operations Manual 11-13/0001r4, clause 7.1

Naming confusion meeting/session aside, not even 802.11 WG states that you have to be inside a room 75% of the time. The second bullet, at the very least, needs to be removed.

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WG 802.11 Operations Manual 11-13/0001r4, clause 7.1.4

Again, no superior rules force us to do anything. It’s a “may”. This rule is also very counter-productive as it forces members with no knowledge or interest to vote yes to avoid penalty.At a minimum, remove second bullet.

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What this really is about

• We are all senior professionals. We are not school children to reprimand for skipping class.

• We are here mainly for two reasons: to learn about new technologies and to define standards that ultimately enable us to produce or buy better products.

• We give up time and money to be here.• IEEE is a member driven organization. How would

we have created the most successful wireless standard in history without the hard work of our members?

• The power is on the floor. It’s with us.

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Motion I• Attendance shall be considered satisfied by attendee

picking up badge, • and all session attendance tracking by any method shall

be abandoned effective immediately,• and, all voters who has lost their voting rights due to

insufficient attendance shall have their voter status reinstated effective immediately.

Y/N/A:Moved: Knut Odman Seconded:

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Motion II

• All punitive revocation of voting rights due to not participating in WG ballots shall stop effective immediately,

• and, all voters who has lost their voting rights due to not returning ballots shall have their voter status reinstated effective immediately.

Y/N/A:Moved: Knut Odman Seconded:

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IEEE 802 LMSC Operations Manual, clause 6.2

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Motion III

• If motion I passes, the resolution shall be the Directed Position of the 802.11 Working Group.

Y/N/A:

Moved: Knut OdmanSeconded:

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Motion IV

• If motion II passes, the resolution shall be the Directed Position of the 802.11 Working Group.

Y/N/A:

Moved: Knut OdmanSeconded:

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BACKUP SLIDES

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WG 802.11 Operations Manual 11-13/0001r4, clause 1

No mention of attendancerequirement for voting rights

SA AudCom Baseline OperatingProcedures for IndividualWorking Groups has someguidelines, see next page.

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SA AudCom Baseline Operating Procedures for WG, clause 4.1.1

…membership shall be granted after the participant attends two consecutive meetings of an existing Working Group, and also requests membership status. Attendance credit is granted to those who attend at least 50% of a meeting’s duration. Attendance at a meeting via teleconferencing and/or electronic means, e.g., Internet conferencing, shall count towards the attendance requirements. If a Working Group member misses two consecutive meetings, or two consecutive Working Group letter ballots, his or her voting privilege may be revoked.

No requirement to wait for a third meeting. Note that SA uses the word “meeting” in the meaning of “session”

By meeting means the whole week. No requirement of being in a room for a certain amount of time

“May” means that the WG is allowed to introduce this rule if we let them. There is no requirement!

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LMSC documents - I

No requirement

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LMSC documents - II

Meeting or Session?See SA Audcom Baseline OPThis document swap termsas defined by SA. Terms asused here are consistent with RROR.

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LMSC documents - III

“May lose” = optional for not returning ballots.No provision for losing voting rights based on attendance!

No requirement beyond “participating”