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1. Do you affirm or deny the virgin birth? Yes or no? Yes, I affirm the virgin birth 2. Do you affirm or deny the existence of an eternal son? Yes or no? I agree that the Word of God was eternal, before He came in the likeness of sinful flesh (Rom 8:3) Born under the Law (Gal 4:4). He was not eternal because He died on the cross (Luke 23:46), he became eternal once he was risen. Question ….On page 53 of your book, you referred to man as a reproduction of God's form. Do you conclude that man is a little God? Yes or no? No I do not conclude that man is a little god, I believe this is what makes us a living soul, a soul that operates in the same fashion as God, but not a god. Question….On page 163 of your book, you say, "today, a person must accept Christ and be baptized in his name before justification." I have several questions regarding your assertion: A. what do you mean "baptize in the name of Jesus"? Do you mean the literal name of Jesus is called over the person being baptized? yes or no Now this is a touchy subject because the church has really botched this one, if you read my book I conclude that Jesus was really born in the likeness of sinful flesh (Romans 8:3), really made in all things like His brothers (Hebrews 2:17) Really born under the law that has us in bondage (Gal 4:1-4). The likeness of sinful flesh is the likeness of Adam after Adam fell and this likeness makes one have to choose to either walk with the flesh (Sin nature) or walk with the spirit, that is to not sin, or

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1. Do you affirm or deny the virgin birth? Yes or no?

Yes, I affirm the virgin birth

2. Do you affirm or deny the existence of an eternal son? Yes or no?

I agree that the Word of God was eternal, before He came in the likeness of sinful flesh (Rom 8:3) Born under the Law (Gal 4:4). He was not eternal because He died on the cross (Luke 23:46), he became eternal once he was risen.

Question ….On page 53 of your book, you referred to man as a reproduction of God's form. Do you conclude that man is a little God? Yes or no?

No I do not conclude that man is a little god, I believe this is what makes us a living soul, a soul that operates in the same fashion as God, but not a god.

Question….On page 163 of your book, you say, "today, a person must accept Christ and be baptized in his name before justification." I have several questions regarding your assertion:

A. what do you mean "baptize in the name of Jesus"? Do you mean the literal name of Jesus is called over the person being baptized? yes or no

Now this is a touchy subject because the church has really botched this one, if you read my book I conclude that Jesus was really born in the likeness of sinful flesh (Romans 8:3), really made in all things like His brothers (Hebrews 2:17) Really born under the law that has us in bondage (Gal 4:1-4).

The likeness of sinful flesh is the likeness of Adam after Adam fell and this likeness makes one have to choose to either walk with the flesh (Sin nature) or walk with the spirit, that is to not sin, or rather not follow your temptation, Jesus was tempted at all points as we are yet without sin..

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. (Rom 8:1-6).

So Jesus had to walk with the spirit and not with the flesh (Sin nature) from the moment he was born.

Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and

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shall call His name Immanuel. 15 Curds and honey He shall eat, that He may know to refuse the evil and choose the good. 16 For before the Child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that you dread will be forsaken by both her kings.

Once Jesus was baptized He fulfilled the righteous requirement of the law to not walk with the sin nature (Flesh) and put that nature under submission.

Matthew 3:15 But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him

Because the early Church Fathers decided to make Jesus, who was perfect in his walk, but was born in the likeness of sinful flesh equal to God from birth, they robbed Christianity from an important truth creating a lie and this lie is affecting us to this very day.

We teach that Jesus was baptized just to show an example and this is the lie, He was baptized in order to do away with the sin nature, but the lie has allowed the sin nature to live on and many Christians to this very day. Many get baptized and receive no real change, they continue to walk with their flesh, because we do not teach that Jesus actually put it under submission, instead we say he died for our sins on the cross which is true, but he also took care of the sin nature, but the dark forces in this world made sure Christianity does not claim that achievement.

When we are baptized in the name of Christ we are doing away with the sin nature just like he did, but it has been hidden behind a veil of deception. Here is the example.

Matthew 20:23 So He said to them, “You will indeed drink My cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with; but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared by My Father (KJV)

New International Version

Jesus said to them, "You will indeed drink from my cup, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father.

New Living Translation

Jesus told them, "You will indeed drink from my bitter cup. But I have no right to say who will sit on my right or my left. My Father has prepared those places for the ones he has chosen."

New American Standard Bible

He said to them, "My cup you shall drink; but to sit on My right and on My left, this is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by My Father."

Holman Christian Standard Bible

He told them, "You will indeed drink My cup. But to sit at My right and left is not Mine to give; instead, it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by My Father.

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International Standard Version

He told them, "You will indeed drink from my cup. But it's not up to me to grant you a seat at my right hand or at my left. These positions have already been prepared for others by my Father."

The newer Bible versions remove the fact that we are Baptized into the same baptism, instead they say He was baptized as an example, If he was, then so are we, this is the curse upon us.

B. if "no," do you believe Matthew 28:19, the title's father, son, and Holy Ghost, is an acceptable baptismal invocation yes or no

Yes I do.

Is there a sense in which you believe Jesus is a reincarnation of the first Adam? Yes or no if "yes" defined sense.

Jesus was not a perfect reincarnation of Adam, in truth he was made opposite of Adam.

When Adam was created his physical body was made from the dust of the earth (Gen. 2:7) and His spiritual image was formed in Him and it was in the exact likeness of God’s spiritual image, The “US”.

Once Adam sinned his spiritual image was altered because now he had the spirit of disobedience dwelling in his flesh, this is a spiritual condition not physical condition, (THE LIKENESS OF SINFUL FLESH), which we have been deceived in to calling (HUMANITY) or (THE HUMANITY OF JESUS).

in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience. (Ephesians 2:2)

This spirit (The sin nature) cause the spiritual image of Adam to be changed and to no longer be the exact spiritually image of God.

When Jesus was born His physical Body did not come from the dust of the earth, His physical body was the Word of God made flesh (John 1:14), the image of the invisible God (Col 1:15) the fullness of the Godhead Bodily (Col 2:9), but not the fullness of the Godhead spiritually (Luke 4:1), Then Jesus, being filled with the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

Adam was created in the exact spiritual image and likeness of God before he fell and Jesus was made in the exact image and likeness of Adam after Adam fell. Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. (Hebrews 2:17)

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Here is Adam: Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;

Here is Jesus, He is the image of the invisible God, Colossians 1:15. For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh

So you see Adam was the image and likeness of God, While Jesus was the image of God but in the likeness of sinful flesh.

Mankind decided to play with the meaning of image and likeness and at the same time turn God into a liar.

God said “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness”

If you look in the bible dictionary and look up the word likeness this is what you will find—it guides you back to image, in most cases, as if God did not know what He was talking about.

Question….. On page 142 of your work. You say God had shown you that the term likeness meant "same as" in the sense of a pattern in which an item is made.

Yes when Adam was created he shared the same pattern as God….

•• Our spirit has emotions (1 Samuel 1:15; 1 Kings 21:5); the Spirit of God has emotions (Isaiah 63:10; Ephesians 4:30).

•• Our spirit has a will (Exodus 35:21; Matthew26:41); the Spirit of God has a will (1 Corinthians

12:11).

•• Our spirit can speak (1 Corinthians 14:14); the Spirit of God can speak (Genesis 1:3; Ezekiel11:5; 1 Timothy 4:1).

The heart of man has emotions (1 Samuel 1:8); the heart of God has emotions (Genesis 6:6).

•• The heart of man has a will (Exodus 35:5; Acts 11:23); the heart of God has a will (1 Samuel 2:35).

•• Man speaks within his heart (Genesis 17:17; Romans 10:6); God speaks within His heart (Genesis 8:21).

•• Man’s heart has thought (Genesis 6:5; Luke 2:35); God’s heart has thought (Jeremiah 23:20).

This is just a small example of the pattern or (LIKENESS) we share with God, but when Adam sinned His pattern changed, he now had a sin nature, something that does not exist in God.

Jesus shared the same pattern that we are born with.

Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. (Heb 2:17)

Jesus was made in all things like us, not some.

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Question…On page 150 you stay Jesus was fashioned in the likeness [same as] of sinful flesh.

This is where the wool has been pulled over the eyes of Christianity and this belief (Not the same as Sinful flesh) is universal throughout all denominations, it is universal because it is true, the likeness of sinful flesh is not the same as sinful flesh, this is because one must commit a sin in order to become sinful flesh. Jesus never committed a sin.

Galatians 6:8, For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption.

A child out of the womb is born in the likeness of sinful flesh until they sin, (SOW TO THE FLESH), then they reap the corruption of it and become sinful flesh. This is the deception many Christians do not see.

Jesus never sinned, so he remained the likeness of sinful flesh until he was baptized.

On page 162. You affirm that "he was cleansed from his likeness to sinful flesh, and did not follow the sin nature or sin, according to the transgression of Adam." You define "sin nature." As the "serpents seed" page 191.

Question: A. why would Jesus need to be cleansed from only a likeness? Was the cleansing only like a cleansing or was it an actual cleansing?

Here is the curse on us, it was an actual cleansing of the serpents seed in His flesh, and the same is supposed to happen to us but we have been taught not to think that way.

SATAN KNOWS TWO SPIRITUAL RULES.

1. For as he thinks in his heart, Proverbs 23:72. Death and life are in the power of the tongue, And those who love it will eat its fruit. Proverbs

18:21

He knows that if we think in our hearts that Jesus never had the sin nature, which is the seed he put in us, the seed that makes us the likeness of sinful flesh. Then we are thinking in our hearts Jesus never cleansed us from it, so then we accept that he only died for the sins that our sin nature tricks us into doing, and then we speak it into our existence. There is more to this further down the page.

Once Adam sinned the serpents seed “Satans nature” began to dwell in man, it is this nature that tempts us to sin, God does not have this nature, so Jesus took it on so that he could be tempted at all points just like us because God cannot be tempted by evil, Jesus had to choose good over evil from His birth (IS. 7:14-16). The Spirit of God was not in Him during that time.

This is the lie that allows many to say well if Jesus was God how was He tempted and God cannot be tempted.

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This caused the church leaders to develop another lie, Well he was 100% God and 100% man, and his humanity was tempted, when in truth the only thing that temps a man is the sin nature.

Now they have a need to split Jesus into two.

Then we must consider that Jesus was sent in the likeness of sinful flesh (Rom 8:3), Made in all things like His brothers. The likeness of sinful flesh has nothing to do with the act of sin, it has to do with being born with the ability to sin.

We are cleansed from what God sees in us, you see the sin nature is what produces the evil desire in our hearts. This is the sin that God sees.

But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Matthew 5:28

Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Genesis 6:5

The cleansing was putting the sin nature that causes our heart to be on evil to death.

Question…..B. you say Jesus didn't sin according to the transgression of Adam. Is there any sense in which he sinned? Yes or no.

No there is no sense in which Jesus sinned, you see this is where man has craftily combined the sin nature (THE CONCEPTION OF THE THOUGHT TO SIN), temptation (THE DESIRE TO FULLFILL THE THOUGHT), and the act of sin (ACTUALLY DOING THE ACT) into one word.

In order for Jesus to be tempted at all points as we are, the sin nature had to produce the thought to sin, Sin is born once a person lusts to do the act in their heart. Jesus never lusted to do the act, sin was never born into His soul.

We have been deceived into thinking the sin nature automatically makes us sin but that is a lie.

There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah. His wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Zacharias and Elizabeth never committed an act of sin, but they could not stop having the thought to sin, no man can do that except Jesus.

Jesus condemned sin in the flesh that means it never entered His heart, like it does with us, so He never saw corruption.

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Question….C. The term "likeness" seems to deny your efforts to speak only literally in matters pertaining to God. Yes or no D.

No you see the likeness we share with God is a 100% likeness on a spiritual level.

example: Surely God will never do wickedly, Nor will the Almighty pervert justice. Who gave Him charge over the earth? Or who appointed Him over the whole world? If He should set His heart on it, If He should gather to Himself His Spirit and His breath,

This is the likeness man shares with God and it is not an analogy it is literal.

God’s heart—Man’s heart, God’s Spirit—Man’s spirit, God’s breathe—Man’s Breathe.

We have this likeness with Him and it is not a comparison, this things was blown into our spiritual image when we were created.

Question…..The term "likeness" denotes a comparison between two objects or beings, and as such is an analogical concept. An analogy is a form of figurative speech. The following quote is from Gregory Boyd's book "oneness Pentecostals and the Trinity," page 63 "when we, following Scripture, call God 'the father ‘and Jesus 'the son', we are speaking ANALOGICALLY" not literally. We are saying that the loving relationship that exist between God [the father], and Jesus is like [analogy] that of a father and son – but, of course, devoid of the physical characteristics…"

God and Jesus are not speaking analogically, they are speaking the absolute truth, Jesus is the Son and God is the Father. John 7:16 Jesus answered them and said, “My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me.God really sent His Word, we must remember that the Word was also with God (Jn 1:1), He was God and was with God.

Perhaps you will recognize how similar you sound when citing Romans 8:3 and Philippians 2:7, "THE LIKENESS OF SINFUL FLESH: imagine the father calling out at Jesus' baptism: "he is like a beloved son in whom I am well please," and imagine Jesus looking upward and reply, "and you are like a father to me."

Question: E. is there any sense that Jesus 'flesh, at any time, was less than actual human flesh? Yes or no . If "yes", when?

Jesus flesh was never less than human flesh.

Question…. Do you in any sense, at any time, defined the flesh of Jesus as God? Yes or no

No, the flesh of Jesus can never be God, Jesus tells us this. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him

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must worship in spirit and truth.” (John 4:24). And “Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.” (Luke 24:39)

So if one says that the flesh of Jesus is God they would be telling an untruth because Jesus says the opposite of that.

Question…F. your frequent use of Colossians 2:9, seem to identify the body of Jesus as an actual form of deity; from birth to baptism. You say the father [deity] does not indwell the son.

In this question the term deity from birth to baptism is questionable at best. Now I say that the heir, as long as he is a child, does not differ at all from a slave, though he is master of all, 2 but is under guardians and stewards until the time appointed by the father. 3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world. 4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, (Galatians 4:1-4).

When Jesus was born he did differ at all from a slave, He was made in all things like His Brothers, His brothers were not deity. The physical body of Jesus was the Word made flesh he was the image of the invisible God, the fullness of the Godhead bodily this represents a physical body that is the exact match for the Spirit of God.

Example: 1 Corinthians 5:5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

The spirit of a person and the flesh (Physical body) of a person are not identical, yet they create one living soul, and the physical body has life in itself.

This is where man begins to merge the Flesh (Sin nature) with the flesh (Our physical body) in a crafty way. They are not the same the sin nature dwells in the physical body (THE BRAIN TO BE EXACT) it is not the physical body.

John 5:26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,

Here is a good example of this: spoken by God Himself. “Behold! My Servant whom I have chosen, My Beloved in whom My soul is well pleased! I will put My Spirit upon Him, And He will declare justice to the Gentiles.

No matter how one interprets this verse, we cannot remove the Fact that God is saying (MY SOUL AND MY SPIRIT), God is telling us that His Soul and His Spirit are not the same as His Sons.

The Soul of God is the Power of the Most High, and The Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit. They both came upon Jesus at the baptism.

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How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him. (Acts 10:38)

F-A….For example, see pages 161, 163. You seem to say the father prepared a body of flesh, which is itself the father (who is spirit, John 4:24).

The flesh is not the Father (The Power of the Most High) The Word of God (Jesus) proceeded forth from the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Luke 1:35 shows this: And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

Here, we have three things:

1. The Holy Spirit, which is the Spirit of God2. The Power of the Most High, Which is the soul of God (Matt. 12:18)3. And the Son to be born, ( Which is the Word of God), which is actually the heart of God,

So here we have one God, His soul, His Spirit and His heart, and the image and likeness that he gave to man, just worded in another way.

And then The Word of God #3 proceeded forth and came out of #1 and #2 (John 17:8) and then #1 and #2 came upon Him at the baptism, (John 1:32).Creating the living soul of God.

Before Jesus Birth……Luke 1:35 shows this: And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

After His Birth….. How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him. Acts 10:38

F-B…Yet the father leaves that body and stays gone for nearly 30 years. Are you saying Jesus' body was simply a God that shell or a spirit – flesh (divine/) combination? Yes or no

Yet the father leaves that body and stays gone for nearly 30 years?

The father did not leave the body, The Word of God which was the heart of God was sent from the Father.

John 7:16 Jesus answered them and said, “My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me.

He proceeded forth from God, Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. John 8:42

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God did not leave him for 30 years, He came down from Heaven to do the will of God for 30 years, without God being with Him. I am the living bread which came down from heaven, John 6:51.

Just like God had his own soul and Spirit (Matt 12:18), Jesus had His own soul as the Son.

For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself. (John 5:26)

To explain a little further we need to look at Jesus death on the cross.

He gave His spirit to God, And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, “Father, ‘into Your hands I commit My spirit.’” Having said this, He breathed His last. (Luke 23:46)

His body was in a tomb for three days, After this, Joseph of Arimathea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly, for fear of the Jews, asked Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus; and Pilate gave him permission. So he came and took the body of Jesus.

And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (Matthew 10:28)

His Soul descended to Hell……This from the Catholic Church…. The frequent New Testament affirmations that Jesus was "raised from the dead" presuppose that the crucified one sojourned in the realm of the dead prior to his resurrection.478 This was the first meaning given in the apostolic preaching to Christ's descent into hell: that Jesus, like all men, experienced death and in his soul joined the others in the realm of the dead

So once again , the soul of Jesus at birth and the soul of God were not one and the same from His birth, they became one once the Father began to dwell in Him and the Father forsook Him on the cross.

God did not come until the Baptism. When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him, Matthew 3:16

And John bore witness, saying, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and He remained upon Him. John 1:32

F-C…..By asserting that the father abandons empty – of – deity God – shell in terms of his spiritual presence, page 166, but at the same time is indwelt by Satan Seed, the sin nature, page 191, how do you escape concluding that Jesus was under Satan's influence and totally absent God influence? Satan and his seed seem more God – in – Christ than does his absent father.

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Yes this is what Jesus came down for and the fact that the church does not teach this has cursed us.

First off He was not just tempted by Satan until the wilderness. but he was tempted by the sin nature from birth when he had to choose good over evil (IS. 7:14-16)

This is what the church has done, we have removed an absolute truth. that the (WORD OF GOD), Jesus has complete power over the influence of Satan and does not need the Holy Spirit of God or the Power of the Most High, to back Him up. The Word of God is capable of defeating, the sin nature and never give birth to sin.

Satan has deceived us .and systematically taught the Church and the world that the Word of God really has no power, when God sent his Word to show the world that His word does have power over Satan, but Satan managed to take that away with a pretty story.

So millions around the world receive the Word of God every day and Satan still has power over them because they fail to truly believe the Word of God has its own power over Satan and God does not need to be present.

Question… 8. The Passover lamb which symbolized in the sacrifice of Jesus had to be perfect or without blemish (Exodus 12:5, I Pet. 1:19), without spot (Hebrews 9:14). It Had to be male of the first year, the, Exodus 12:5, a baby or young child, which requires that Jesus be a baby or young child/lamb (Isaiah 9:6, John 1:29) , without spot or blemish. In other words, he was God sacrificial lamb at birth, which means at birth. He was, without blemish and spot. In fact, God so ordained it Jesus could have gone from the manger to the cross, but unlike the actual lamb Jesus had a mission to complete before he became the actual sacrificial lamb. Literal Passover lambs were born to die within one year of birth, whereas Jesus was born without blemish or spot and remain that way up to and after death. If you get my point, I'm sure you realize that your view of Jesus as a birth defect in terms of a serpent seed (sin nature) scenes in contradiction to the biblical requirements for the Passover Lamb which he surely was, 1 Corinthians 5:7. Keep in mind that all sacrificial lambs had to be without spot or blemish, birth defects, etc. Your position is confusing to say the least.

Answer:

I understand your confusion and your confusion is not because of how you view Jesus, the confusion stems from how we have been taught to view our own children, we have been deceived into thinking the sin nature causes a spot or a blemish from the moment we exit the womb, and this is false.

Galatians 6:8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption.

A child out of the womb has not had the ability to sow to the flesh, they have no spot or blemish even though they are born with a sin nature, this nature is only dwelling in them and it is in there flesh and has not entered into the actual child because our children are actually spiritual entities. They are in the likeness of sinful flesh just like Jesus was born in the likeness of sinful flesh.

They do not become sinful flesh until they sow to the flesh that is when temptation enters their heart for the first time, not when they actually sin. Sin never entered the heart of Jesus, and no other person

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in the world has been able to keep the thought of sinning from entering their heart.

This is when we sow to the flesh…… Matthew 5:28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

This is the spot and blemish, but the act of sin has not been committed. There are three levels to sin:

1. Temptation by the sin nature. This is when a person gets a thought that goes against the will of God, a thought that exalts itself above the knowledge of God (2 Corinthians 10:5).

For example, if someone is in a store and sees an item he desires but does not have the means to purchase the item, he may get the thought to steal it. This is the sin nature producing a thought that exalts itself above the knowledge of God because the knowledge of God says, “Thou shalt not steal” (Exodus 20:15, KJV). This is temptation, and it is not yet a sin.

This is the sin nature producing the thought that exalts itself above God. This is temptation and this does not cause a spot or blemish. This had to happen to Jesus because He was tempted at all points as we are and yet without sin.

2. Sin. The thought takes root in a person’s heart

But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. (Matthew 5:28).

Once the person receives this tempting thought, he has the option to reject it. If he begins to imagine within his heart how he could steal the item, sin has now been birthed into his soul (Genesis 6:5). When desire is conceived, it gives birth to sin (James 1:15a).

Sin is birthed into the living soul, dwelling in the heart of man; the act of sin has not been accomplished by the sin nature, but sin is now dwelling in the person, it has been birthed into their soul. They now have a spot and a blemish.

For example, when you child receives their first law from you, “Do not get a cookie out of the cookie jar, this law produces the Knowledge of Sin in the child and activates the sin nature, and then their sin nature will give them a desire by producing in them all manner of evil desire, The cookie is good and sweet, it is one hundred cookies in the jar dad want miss one, (THE CHILD IS BEING TEMPTED), Once the child says I will wait for daddy to leave the room, then I will take the cookie, He has lusted in His heart, (Sin is now born into His soul), the child is no longer in the likeness of sinful flesh, they are now sinful flesh in the eyes of God, sin has been birthed in them, no matter if they take the cookie or not. The child now has a spot and a blemish.

Jesus was made in all things like our children.Our Children need to learn obedience, even when their sin nature tells them to not do what you command.Though He [Jesus] was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered. Hebrews 5:8

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Jesus had to learn to choose good over evil just like our children. Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. 15 Curds and honey He shall eat, that He may know to refuse the evil and choose the good. (Isaiah 7:14-15)

Jesus had to eat curds and honey and refuse the temptation of getting that cookie out of the cookie jar, just like our children, He had to be obedient and choose the good.

Jesus always condemned the thought and never contemplated on how to get the cookie, sin was never born in His soul. He never received a spot or blemish.

For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. (Roman 8:3-5)

You see the righteous requirement of the law is that we condemn the thought to sin (Sin nature) in us before we begin to allow it to produce an imagination within our hearts that go against the will of God.Casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ (2 Corinthians 10:5).

Jesus cast down and condemned every thought that went against the law of God, condemning sin in the flesh. Having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, Ephesians 2:15

What you said is true, but you see we have been deceived into thinking the sin nature dwelling in us causes a spot, but it does not.

Question …..You refer to Jesus as absent his indwelling father, yet claim . The serpent fathered, a seed which was present in Jesus at birth to baptism. That is, in essence, the claim of Satan's fatherly presence for some 30 years, then Satan gets kicked out and the father from heaven shows up, Hangs round for some three years, then leaves Jesus again when he dies – this is truly an unusual father – son relationship. I'm surprised someone didn't have God the father arrested for child abandonment.

Well when Satan told Adam and Eve they would not die and God had told them they would, what did Satan Challenge, THE WORD OF GOD. And as a result was born in Adam and Eve, the sin nature, something that is not of God, and Jesus THE WORD OF GOD was sent in the likeness of sinful flesh to condemn sin in the flesh.

Please, read Malachi 1:6 – 14. There is no room for a birth defect of Passover lamb in any sense of that term. You made efforts to place the serpents – father seed (sin nature). In Jesus, from birth to baptism,

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but yet denied he sinned or was a sinner, this is self – contradicting. You note frequently that Jesus was made in every way, like us, his brothren (Hebrews 2:17), and yet he did not sin like we do. If he was made like us in every way than he would have lived like us in every way including the typical human response to the sin nature, which causes all men to sin.

I said this earlier, Do you see, we have been systematically taught to believe that the Word of God (Jesus) could not overcome the sin nature on its own.

You see Jesus had no blemish or corruption, He never sowed to the flesh. Mal. 1:1-6

9. This brings me to your depiction of Jesus as born of water and spirit, page 161. Is it your belief that Jesus to was born again? Yes or no

Yes Jesus was born again, He had to be because he was sent in the likeness of Adam after Adam fell. Luke chapter 4 explains it perfectly.

Then Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit to Galilee, and news of Him went out through all the surrounding region. 15 And He taught in their synagogues, being glorified by all.

16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written: “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed; To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.” Then He closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all who were in the synagogue were fixed on Him. And He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” So all bore witness to Him, and marveled at the gracious words which proceeded out of His mouth. And they said, “Is this not Joseph’s son?”

You see the people who new Jesus all his life was now seeing a born again person. Just like you if you had known a person all their life and saw this you would say they were born again.

Question ….Born-again equals being saved, correct?

No

To me born again means that we are spiritually connected to God again just like Jesus was at His baptism. But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him1 Corinthians 6:17.

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Jesus was not joined with God spiritually until the baptism, according to God. “Behold! My Servant whom I have chosen, My Beloved in whom My soul is well pleased! I will put My Spirit upon Him.

The deception that they were connected stems from men not God.

If "yes", we know the sacrifice of Jesus is what saves us, Hebrews 10:1 – 10, 18 – 22. This flesh is the veil between us and the holy of holies, a body prepared by God. If God prepared the body of Jesus with any defect that God is the father (creator, Malachi 1:10). Of that blemish, spot, sin nature, etc. You do affirm that God fashioned the body of Jesus "in the likeness of sinful flesh", page 150. You won't even say that about the first Adam. You know the Temple veil in front of the holy of holies was CONSECRATED, PURIFIED, etc. And is a type of Jesus'body (flesh). How do you reconcile this with your theory that the flesh of Jesus housed/contained the very seed of Satan unto baptism?

I explained this already.

10. On page 50. You state that simply having a law creates a transgression because it (the law) gives us a knowledge of sin.

A. does a just God who will not pervert justice or do wickedness (Jo 34:10) define us as a transgressor, because we have knowledge of that which defines wrong? Yes or no,

You misunderstand this the law produces all manner of evil desire (Sin nature). But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. Romans 7:8

There is a trooper issue a speeding ticket because you know the speed limit? If "yes"

Yes, you know the speed limit, and it was your sin nature that produced the evil desire in you to go over the speed limit, You had the opportunity to listen to it or not.

Galatians 6:8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption,

Because I have allowed my sin nature to produce the evil desire to go over the speed limit and I sowed to that thought, I am now receiving the corruption of that thought by getting a ticket from the state trooper.

Consider this statement on page 151 and explain how you affirm the above without affirming that Jesus as the word in eternity, before birth at Bethlehem, was a transgression: "in the beginning, the word was God and the Word was with God, and because of this, he (the word) knew every commandment, law, statute, and principle God had ever given." If knowing God's law automatically creates a transgression,

Answer: First we must acknowledge that Jesus was born under the law.But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the

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law, Galatians 4:4

Then we must acknowledge that the law brings about wrath.Because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression Romans 4:15

Then we must acknowledge that Jesus as the word in eternity, before birth at Bethlehem allowed death to reign in His life. He died on the cross even though he had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression, (That is to actually allow sin to enter one’s heart).

Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. Romans 5:14

page 150, and Jesus as the word with God, and as God knew all commandments, laws, statutes, and principles, then we are forced to conclude that (1) prior to Bethlehem Jesus as the word was accounted a transgression, and (2) the transgressor/word was also God- therefore both God and his word were transgressors before the world was even created. Both the father and word were sinners because they knew the laws, etc.

This is incorrect, God cannot be tempted by evil, So before Bethlehem Jesus as the Word of God could not be tempted by Evil, because God did and does not have a sin nature, Jesus at birth took on that nature as the enmity in His flesh (THE SIN NATURE) which was produced by the law He was born under.

But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, Gal 4:4. Because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression Romans 4:15. Having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, Ephesians 2:15

You see the enmity in His flesh brings about wrath, and He abolished the enmity in His flesh and brought peace.