date of death of our holy prophet (saw)

Can 12 Rabee-ul-Awwal of the year of death of our prophet

“Rasoolollah Sallallaho Alaehi wasallam” occur on Monday?

Emailing between these astronomers:

"Ebrahim Senior" [email protected],"Khalid Shaukat" <[email protected]>,

"Muhammad Odeh" <[email protected]>, [email protected], "Mashallah

Ali-Ahyaie" <[email protected]>, "Omar Afzal" [email protected], "Shaikh, Salman

Z (Salman)" <[email protected]>, "Your Friend Your Friend" <[email protected]>,

"Abdoulaye GAYE" <[email protected]>, "Mutoha" <[email protected]>,

[email protected]

Introduction of the group of [email protected]

All members of our group [email protected] are very much expert of

Astronomy or very much interested in it, so it is not a group of both common and proper persons,

all members of this group are VIPs of astronomy. Yes Br Odeh & Br Khalid Shaukat is not a part

of this group, while Yallop, Dr Shahid, Dr Abdali etc are also in this group. It is another issue that

they usually don’t participate in discussions due to their social activities as many recipients of

current discussion are not taking part in discussion.

Monday, February 2, 2009 11:11 PM

From: "Sanaullah Bhutta" <[email protected]>

To: [email protected] Dear Sir,

AoA,

Kindly help to find out the day send formula etc.

The last year haj of Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad PBUH 9th

Zilah was Friday .and 12th

Rab-ul-

Awal was monody. Can you draw chart of theses four months to prove that 12 Rab-ulAwal

was Monday. How can we prove.

Your early reply will be highly appreciated.

Best wishes, Sanaullah Bhutta,Managing Partner, Al-Kausar Agencies, Offcie # 8 -Second Floor, Al-Shifa Plaza 6th / Murree Road Rawalpindi. Fax.+92-51 484 1664 - 4427715 [email protected]. [email protected]

……………………………………………….. From: sultan alam [email protected]

Wa alaikumussalam

Kindly read the attached Urdu article and comment.

Wassalam, Sultan

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Wednesday, February 4, 2009 9:32 PM

From: "Sanaullah Bhutta" <[email protected]>

Sir. Thank you very much .Allah The Mighty will bless you.

Best wishes,

Bhutta

……………………

Wednesday, February 4, 2009 11:46 AM

From: "Omar Afzal" <[email protected]>

Dear Br. Sultan Alam Sahib, Salaam

Those who have tried to unlock the knot of early

Islamic dates have found that:

1. There was no fixed lunar calendar in Makkah or Medina.

The only fixed calendar was the Jewish calendar in Medina.

2. The lunar month began by the earliest lunar visibility, and

the earliest visibility differed from place to place.

3. Mistakes in counts of days were quite prevalent, especially

when the Hilal was not seen in the first 2-3 days .

Hence a conclusion based on calculating the four months

(D.Hijja - Rabi I) by 30/29 days and rejecting a 31 days month

is incorrect.

For a detailed discussion of early Islamic dates please see Ishaq-un Nabi

in the NUQUSH (Rasul number v.2 (Dec. 1982: page:199-203),

Sabri's Miftah al-Taqweem. (1977); Wustnfeld (German: 1926) (Urdu:

1939) etc.

It is quite possible that the Hilal was not seen in Medina on the

30th evening and the previouws month became 31 days long.

This discrepancy is found in many other Islamic dates.

Wallahu A'alam.

Omar Afzal

…………………………….

Thursday, February 5, 2009 12:30 AM

From: "sultan alam" <[email protected]>

Dear Dr Omar

Wa alaikumussalam

Look at the attached curves and on the pure scientific visibility based research, please

write the 1st date of each month according to Makkah or Madinah & Prove 12 Rabee-ul-

Awwal 11 A.H. on Monday.

I am discussing actual visibility not other thing.

Wassalam

Sultan


From: "Khalid Shaukat" <[email protected]> Wa alaikumus salam wa rahmatullah, I have written about this on an answer to Question 13.3 on http://moonsighting.com/faq_ms.html#Dates Khalid Shaukat ………………………



Dear Br Khalid Shaukat

Wa alaikumussalam

It means you accept that astronomically, 12 Rabee-ul-Awwal 11 A.H. can not occur on

Monday.

Wassalam

Sultan

…………………………



Dear Br. Sultan,

Thanks for the visibility curves of the four months in AH 11.

Those who are trying to fix the date by lunar visibility calculation

in Medina must keep that only the "day" is reported with some

certainty. The date was calculated backwards many centuries later.

There are several issues with the early Islamic calendar dates/days

as is evident from the discussions among the Western Islamic dates

experts as well as the Muslim chroniclers..

As I mentioned earlier, Ishaq-un Nabi Alvi's book on the topic

is available in English as well. He attempted to solve the discrepancies

between the (approx.) calendars used in Makkah/ Medena as well

as the Jewish calendar dates. He has trcaed the reasons for variations

in early Islamic dates. (For Urdu readers I mentioned his article in

Nuqush (my earlier e-mail))

The curves assume the validity of the "backward calculated dates"

as well as the "probable lunar visibility" in Medina (both problematic).

The basic reference point: "lunar visibility in Medina" in those four months

may not only be uncertain but even the length of the month may be 31 days.

There was no system to report and correct the mistakes in the sightings

of the previous month.

Kuraib's Hadith, reports of claims by Hadrat Anas (RA),

Hadrat Umar (RA) not accepting the claims, including that of Hadrat Anas (RA),

Hadrat Abu Ayyub Ansari (RA) reaching Makkah by his sighting (a day later

than in Makkah) to miss the day of Hajj, etc. provide enough insights. But

we conveniently ignore all these indications to justify our "position".

Omar Afzal

………………………………


From:"sultan alam" <[email protected]>

Dear Dr Omar

Wa alaikumussalam

Conclusion of your answer is also this:

“On the basis of actual moon sighting, 12 Rabee-ul-Awwal 11 AH cannot occur on

Monday. Yes it can occur accepting one month 31 days long which was possible in those

days.”

Well, let the readers and researchers free to think and judge something themselves.

Wassalam

Sultan

……………………..

Thursday, February 5, 2009 12:48 PM

From: "Mashallah Ali-Ahyaie" <[email protected]>

Dear Br Sultan Alam, Salaam, Greetings; relying on the reported days by historian is much more correct than relying on dates for obvious reasons, explained by others, and implied in my article. Please kindly tell us from which software, you have obtained your curves. I am asking this since as it was discussed long back, a certain software was erred on the onset date of the Islamic lunar calendar. Why don't you check this important point on your applied software? Best regards, Mashallah ………………………….



Salaam

1. Historians are unanimous on Monday but not on 12 Rabee-ul-Awwal.

2. Where is your article? Kindly write the conclusion in some sentences.

3. The results of other software like mooncalculator etc are not much different. See attached curves for 25 May 632 (Rabee-ul-Awwal 11 AH)

(Note: I am not including curves here due to be very heavy )

Sultan

………………………

Friday, February 6, 2009 1:17 AM


Dear Br Sultan Alam,

Salaam,

Greetings; I asked you to compare the onset of the Islamic Lunar Calendar, from various soft wares you are using, to check if you ended up to the same date and result.

I think you agree now that one shouldn't try to fix both day and dates together, as reported in history, due to so many mistakes on dates, due to then incorrect fixing of the lunar months, like the current era.

Which article of mine are you talking about? I meant the one that I enclosed it to one of the preceding emails of mine, on Feb. 5, 2009.

Best regards,

Mashallah ……………………….



Dear Br Mashaallah

Salaam

1. Now I am sure that you are 99.99 % agree with Dr. Omar Afzal. Ok, nice. 2. Onset issue should also be discussed but separately, thus if you are interested then

kindly submit the question to our group and look what they reply.

3. As I think that now there is no more discussable thing regarding this issue of “12 Rabee-ul-Awwal 11 A.H. on Monday” hence Inshaallah after some days after

compiling I shall put our this discussion on my web for reference in future to save

the time in future.

Wassalam

Sultan

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Dear Br. Sultan Alam Sahib,

Salaam

Bukhari in Hadith # 4108 mentions the day:Yaum al-Ithnain

(Monday) when the Prophet (SAW) peeked through the

curtain of Hadrat Aisha's chamber.

Ahadith 4109-4111 mention that he (SAW) died on the same day.

As I mentioned earlier, the date of Rabi 12, 11AH were calculated

backwards by various chroniclers.

Personally I find Alvi's explanation of one 31 day month out

of four more plausible. Alvi has given several examples of how

the days mentioned in the historical accounts tally with the

"recognized" dates by such an explanation. Wallahu A'lam.

Omar Afzal

……………………………..


From: Dr Abdurrazak Ebrahim

"Ebrahim Senior" <[email protected]>

Salaams,

This may be of assistance. Remember that the 1st Dhul Hijjah 10 AH began on a

Thursday in Makkah, but on the Friday in Madinah.

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---

MAKKAH THURSDAY, 1 DHUL HIJJAH 10 AH

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---

MADINAH DHUL HIJJAH 10 AH

FRI SAT SUN MON TUE WED THU

1 2 3 4 5 6 7

8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21

22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30

MADINAH MUHARRUM 11 AH

FRI SAT SUN MON TUE WED THU 1 2 3 4 5

6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30

MADINAH SAFAR 11 AH

FRI SAT SUN MON TUE WED THU 1 2 3

4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30

MADINAH RABI’UL AWAL 11 AH

FRI SAT SUN MON TUE WED THU 1

2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15

16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29

Wassalaam

Dr Abdurrazak Ebrahim

Cape Town

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Saturday, February 7, 2009 1:26 AM


Dear Dr Abdurrazak Ebrahim

Wa Alaikumussalam

It is Very plausible proof. Personally I appreciate you. If somebody has any objection

then please let us know.

Wassalam

Sultan

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Tuesday, February 24, 2009 5:03 AM

From: "Max Fazel" [email protected]

salaam all,

i have posted this before on ICOP and got interested feedback from br Marshallah and br

Omar Afzal....i post here again and attach the word doc for ease of reading...

Crescent sightings in year 632 AD

Please see the below table showing the crescent ages in the last year of the prophet 632 AD in Medina. Particular interest is:

1) the solar eclipse on 27 Jan and the beginning of Dhul-Qida

2) the sighting of the hilal for Dhul-Hijja on 26 Feb when the moon age was only 18.5 hr and a lag time of only 34 mins!

3) and the sighting of Rabbi-al-awal (the month in which the prophet (s.a.w) died.

The only thing that does not really add up is the death of the prophet reported to be on 12 Rabi-al-awal ? from hadith this should be a Monday (but the below shows it could only be Saturday or Sunday ! but it does clearly show that the conjunction of the moon could not have been used to begin the months as then Hajj would not fall on the Friday etc…

Wasalaam

Maqsood

All data from Mooncalc at ~”Best Time”

Year Date

Age

(hrs)

Lag Elong Alt

632 AD * Mon 27 Jan* 8.5 14m 3d 2d Medina Tues 28 Jan 32 1h 12m 15d 29m 10d

(1st Dhul-Qida 29 Jan) to 26 Feb = 29 day month

** Wed 26 Feb** 18.5 34m 8d 25m 4d

(1st Dhul-Hijja 27 Feb) to 27 March = 30 day month

Thurs 26 March 3.3 <1m 4d 45m 0d

Fri 27 March 27 53m 12d 30m 5d 26m

(1st Muharram 28 March) to 26 April = 30 days

Sat 25 April 12 23m 6d 22m 4d

Sun 26 April 37 1h 16m 16d 6d

(1st Safar 27 April) to 25 May = 29 days

*** Mon 25 May 21 45m 9d 3d

(1st Rabbi-al-Awal Tues 26 May)*** to 24 June = 29 days

Tues 23 June 6 10m 2d 1d 34m

Wed 24 June 31 55m 13d 4d 22m

(1st Rabbi-al-Thani 25 June) to 24 July = 30 days

Thurs 23 July 16.3 18m 7d 2d

Fri 24 July 41 55m 19d 4d

(1st Jumad-al-Awal Tues 25 July) to 22 Aug = 29 days

Sat 22 Aug 27 25m 14d 4d

*partial solar eclipse at time of prophet (see below diagram which br Mashallah provided some time ago in one of his papers)

** MUST have been seen on this day (18.5hr crescent) for 9 Dul-Hijja to fall on Friday (prophets last sermon was at Arafa on 9

th on the Friday))

*** 1st of Rabbi-al-Awal was Tues 26 May, prophet (saw) died 12 Rabbi-Al-Awal which is

6th June = Saturday or

IF 1st Rabbi-al-Awwal was Wed 27 May then 12

th = Sunday (hadith states the prophet

died 12th on the Monday).

Eclipse predictions by Fred Espenak, NASA/GSFC

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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 6:52 AM

From:"sultan alam" <[email protected]>

Dear Brothe Maqsood (Maxfazel

Are you not satisfied by the explanation of Dr Abdurrazzaq that 12th Rabee-ul-awwal of

11 AH can occur on Monday?

Sultan

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Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:27 PM


Dear Br. Sultan Alam,

Salaam,

Greetings, I think the concern of Br Maqsood is the same concern that I tried to convince you of choosing a reliable / fixed starting point in any chronology back calculation, especially in the Islamic lunar calendar, one is facing to the selection of 29-day lunar month instead of the 30-day one and vice-versa due to meteorological conditions, false claims, etc. One can't back calculate only based on a limited numbers of visibility curves. Why don't you have another look and start from Jan. 27, 632 C.E. (solar eclipse in Medina; Dr. Kh. Shaukat's Site and other sources, such as: Eclipse Predictions by Fred Espenak, NASA/GSFC"), and back calculate?

Best regards,

Mashallah ………………….



26 Feb 632 sighting in Makkah is not an issue especially when there were no

pollution and artificial lights of our age.

Wassalam

Sultan

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Dear All,

Salaam

I diverted your attention to the discussions about the Hajjatul-Wida

date by some other experts like Dr. Hamidullah, Ishaqun Nabi, Sabri,

Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvi,etc.

Those who can read Urdu must read p.198-199 of Nuqush Rasul

number2 (1982). Below is a rough summary:

- Ibn S'ad narrates that the Prophet (SAW) started from Medina on

D. Q'ada 25. Wustenfeld (1926)calculates the Ist of D. Qada 10 AH

as Wed., making Saturday as 25th.

- Ibn Sa'd: The Prophet (SAW) reached Murr-al-Zahraan on Tuesday.

Hadrat Ibn Abbas and Hadrat Jabir (RAnhum) both narrate that it was

4th. of D. Hijja.

If Tuesday, was the 4th. of D. Hijja then Ist of D. Hijja was on Sat.

making Sunday, the 9th.of D. Hijja

However, Hajj day (9th of D. Hijja) was FRIDAY by all accounts.

It means Tuesday was not 4th but 5th of Z. Hijja.

It also implies that in Makkah Z. Hijja started on Friday with sighting

in the evening of Thursday. MoonCal. 6 data as Br. Max has quoted

shows the following:

Year Date Age(hrs) Lag Elong Alt

632 AD * Mon 27 Jan* 8.5 14m 3d 2d Medina

Tues 28 Jan 32 1h 12m 15d 29m 10d

(1st Dhul-Qida 29 Jan) to 26 Feb = 29 day month

**

Wed 26 Feb** 18.5 34m 8d 25m 4d

(1st Dhul-Hijja 27 Feb) to 27 March = 30 day month

Maulana Ahmad Raza Barelvi who was well-versed in Math and astronomical

calculations concluded that "Astronomically, Friday could never be 9th of D. Hijja."

If the data given above is correct, then a Hilal could NOT be VISIBLE in Makkah or

Medina on Feb. 26.

It is not only the age but the altitude (4 degrees) and lag of 34 minutes.

If the Hilal was SEEN in Makkah, or on the way from Medina to Makkah on

Thursday, Feb. 27, making Friday the first of D. Hijja, then Sat. was the 9th.

Ishaqun Nabi (Nuqush p. 197) also mentions Feb. 28 as the fist date of D. Hijja

by Madani Hijri Calendar, but the month as Jumada II by Makki calendar. The

Prohet (SAW)'s words:

Inna-z Zamaan-a qad istadaara....

might also refer to making Madani calendar the base for Islamic calendar.

Wallahu 'alam.

Omar Afzal

CFCO Intl.

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Dear All,

Salaam

26 Feb 632 sighting in Makkah is not an issue

My note about the Hajjatul-Wida date shows that it was an issue

for quite some time.Maulana Barelvi went to the extent of claiming

that the "Sighting of D. Hijja moon was a miracle.

Allah ta'ala ki qudrat-e kamila se mumkin hai beqaeda ruyat

hui ho.

Omar Afzal

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From:"Mashallah Ali-Ahyaie" <[email protected]>


Salaam,

Greetings; please don't go away from Mr. Maqsood's Table, before reaching to a solid conclusion, in all respects.

Based on the Accurate Times soft ware, if I was not wrong, the enclosures are the visibility curves for May 25 & 26, 632 C.E. Also one should bear in mind that the probability of reporting a wrong day name is very rare. Thus if it is reported that the 12th of Rabi-ul-Awwal was on Monday, then the 1st of Rbiul-ul-Awwal, 11 A.H. should have been started on Thursday, May 27, 11 A.H., in Medina? Was the atmospheric condition a source of the discrepancies?

Regarding Monday, Biruni in his book of "Al-Äthär Al-Bäqiya, or The Chronology of Ancient Nations" has written: "...Wa soe'lah aan sowm yaowmal ethneen, faghal: "Zak yowm woledtoo feeh, wa boethtoo feeh, wa onzel aala feeh, wa hajartoo feeh". This is on page 421 of Chapter XX of the book which I have referenced thereto in my article, uoloaded before.

But, there is a solid conclusion from this Table, for the time being, when Br Maqsood writes: "but it does clearly show that the conjunction of the moon could not have been used to begin the months as then Hajj would not fall on the Friday etc… " This point is a very good guide for those not yet correcting the onset of the Islamic Lunar Calendar, based on naked eye sightings, in their web site. Saying this, I want to emphasise once again that various issues are interconnected.

Best regards,

Mashallah

Sorry please read May 27, 11 A.H., as May 27, 632 C.E. ................................



Dear Br Mashaallah

I think explanation of Dr Abdurrazzaq is astronomically absolutely correct. Yes

astronomically due to weather, visibility of moon can be different in 2 places.

Sultan

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Dear Dr Omar

Wa alaikumussalam

Kindly answer in yes or No that astronomically the explanation of Dr Abdurrazzaq is

correct or not?

Sultan

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Dear All,

Salaam,

Greetings; there should be a missing point in the whole arguments. In fact we are missing Br Mutoha's nice diagrams, a lot for for this discussion.

I have quoted your earlier email, and specially the comments / messages thereon, in the following, vis-a'-vis enclosing the visibility curves, from Accurate Times, for Thul Hejjah 10 A.H. (Wed. Feb. 26, 632 C.E.) and Thul Hejjah 10 A.H. (Thursday-Feb. 27, 632 C.E.), for the ease of reference: ………………………



Dear Br Maqsood, Salaam, Greetings; please kindly revise your following Table, to include the cases for mecca as well, if possible: ………………………….



Dear Br Mashaallah

My questions are 2 and very simple:

1. Explanation of Dr Abdurrazzaq is astronomically correct or not? Just answer yes or not.

2. If not then why?

I have to compile our all emails for future to save time.

My answer:"Explanation of Dr Abdurrazzaq is astronomically correct and as a student of

science, I have no objection on it."

Sultan

………………………..




Salaam,

Greetings; please kindly note that instead of going through details, yes or no is not a good approach for doing research and writing articles as important as you are writing.

As far as I know Dr Abdurrazzaq, from his ex wise comments and emails, in the last couple of years, he is quite a knowledgeable scholar, as you are, but please kindly request him to provide reasons for his recent comments, vis-a'-vis the visibility curves or you kindly explore reasons yourself thereof, based on the materials, so far within your reach.

Best regards,

Mashallah ……………………………



Dear Br Mashaallah.

1. Ok, fine I shall quote your these words in compiled version. 2. Dr Abdurrazzaq has received your email. He replies or not, it is his choice. 3. His explanation is hard, I know, but not impossible, hence I don’t have objection

on it because my question was only it that astronomically this can happen or not?

He proved it, although hardly, so I can’t refute him.

4. I think now there is nothing to discuss more from my side so probably it would be my last reply on this issue except in case of very necessity.

Wassalam

Sultan

………………………..



Dear Br. Sultan Alam Sahib,

Salaam

In my opinion, a sighting on Feb. 26 (Wed.) is out of question.

The data:

Wed 26 Feb** 18.5h 34min 8degrees 25m 4degrees

is quite definite. All parameters of angle, altitude and lag point

in the same direction. Atmospheric clarity cannot change the

altitude/angle at the sunset.

Omar

……………………………..



Dear Dr Omar

Wa alaikumussalam

I did not raise the question about Zul-hijjah sighting.

But if you say that visibility in Makkah on 26 Feb. is impossible then I can say that Ok, it

is your opinion, who dont accept any exceptional case. what can we do? leave something

for readers and researchers to think.

Wassalam

Sultan

………………………………………..


From: "Khalid Shaukat" <[email protected]>

Dear Br Sultan Wa alaikumus salam wa rahmatullah,

You are mixing astronomy with weather. Explanation of Dr Abdurrazzaq is not

astronomically correct. It can be considered OK by weather conditions.

However, I have not studied his answer in detail as of yet.

Khalid Shaukat …………………….


From: "Khalid Shaukat" <[email protected]>

Wa alaikumus salam wa rahmatullah, Dear Sultan Saheb Please don't consider your research complete. I have to writ a detailed answer to this subject. Presently I am very busy with my wife's serious medical conditions, that's why I haven't been able to do that. Khalid Shaukat ………………………..



Dear Br Khalid Shaukat

Wa alaikumussalam

1. May Allah give her rapid recovery. I do dua from the depth of my heart.

2. I am not considering my research complete but now it is enough. leave readers and

researchers free to think something themeselves after reading our emailing.

I shall quote your comments as it is. Jazakumullah

Wassalam

Sultan

……………………



Dear All

Salaam

Here is the second part of my Islamic dates of the last four months of

the life of the beloved Prophet (SAW).

Ibn S'ad (v.2:p 136) mentions Sat.10th Rabi-I as the day the Muslims

in Usama's jaish took leave from the Prophet (SAW), and his death was

on Monday, 12th of Rabi-I

1.12th Rabi I of year 632 was a Monday by the Medina Hijri calendar.

2. It is Monday only if Rabi I began on May 27, and not on May 26.

The data (according to Br. Max) shows:

Mon 25 May 21 45m 9d 3d

Obviously, the Rabi-I Hilal could NOT be visible in Medina

on May 25, as the the lunar Altitude at the sunset was only

3 degrees, besides the angle: 9 degrees.

The Lag was also at the lower margin (48+ min) and the Age

only 21 hours.

The conclusion: MONDAY was the 12th of Rabi-I and that appears to be

the correct date of the Prophet (SAW)'s death.

Omar Afzal

Margoliouth, HG Wells, etc. state June 7 as the date,which is incorrect.

Even Kulaini states:Thumma qubid-al-ithnai 'asharata lailatan madat min

Rabi al-Awwal yaum al-Ithnain (Abwaab al-Tarikh)

…………………………


From:"Mashallah Ali-Ahyaie" <[email protected]>

Dear Br Omar,

Salaam,

Greetings; I can't understand your counting, as follows:

• Wed. May 27, as Rabi I, 1st. • Th. May 28, as Rabi I, 2nd.

• ----- • ----- • Sun. (not Mon.) June, 7, as Rabi I, 12th!

Best regards,

Mashallah ………………………

Friday, February 27, 2009 2:19 PM


Dear All,

Sorry I messed up the dates for some by taking out a crucial word. I have added

it in blue below. Please read:

2/28/09 Here is the second part of my Islamic dates of the last four months of the life of the beloved Prophet (SAW).

Ibn S'ad (v.2:p 136) mentions Sat.10th Rabi-I as the day the Muslims in Usama's jaish took leave from the Prophet

(SAW), and his death was on Monday, 12th of Rabi-I

1. 12th Rabi I of year 632 was a Monday by the Medina Hijri calendar.

2. It is Monday only if Rabi I began on May 27 evening, and not on May 26 evening.

The data (according to Br. Max) shows:

Mon 25 May 21 45m 9d 3d

Obviously, the Rabi-I Hilal could NOT be visible in Medina on May 25, as the the lunar Altitude at the sunset was only

3 degrees, besides the angle: 9 degrees. The Lag was also at the lower margin (48+ min) and the Age only 21 hours.

(People of Medina missed seeing the Hilal in the evening of May 26. They counted Ist of Rabi-I from Thursday, May

28.

Muslim historians have noted this "one day later" discrepancy about a lot of events)

The conclusion: MONDAY was the 12th of Rabi-I and that appears to be the correct date of the Prophet (SAW)'s death.

N.B. Kulaini also states: (Thumma qubid-al-ithnai 'asharata lailatan madat min

Rabi al-Awwal yaum al-Ithnain (Abwaab al-Tarikh) " He died on the 12th. night

of Rabi-I, the day of Monday.)

www.islamicmoon.com

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Friday, February 27, 2009 9:16 PM


Dear Br Omar,

Salaam,

Greetings; thanks for the correction made. Please kindly concentrate firmly on the very important side result of this argument, and propagate it firmly to all, as Br Maqsood has written in his email, as follows:

"but it does clearly show that the conjunction of the moon could not have been used to begin the months as then Hajj would not fall on the Friday etc… "

I would also say that: "It does clearly show that the conjunction of the moon could not have been used to begin the months, during the era of our Beloved Prophet Mohammad (PBuH) as the 12th of Rabi I, would not have fallen on Monday, as widely reported by all..."

This point is a very good guide for those not yet correcting the onset of the ritual Islamic Lunar Calendar (there had been then only the ritual one in practice), based on the local naked eye sightings, in their web site. You might remember that we went through this issue long back without any tangible result.

Best regards,

Mashallah ……………………..

Saturday, February 28, 2009 1:19 PM

From:"Shaikh, Salman Z (Salman)" <[email protected]>

To: "Khalid Shaukat" <[email protected]>, [email protected],

[email protected]

Bismillaahir RahmaanIrRaheem. Alhamdulillaah WasSalaatu WasSalaam Ala

Rasulillaah Wa Ala Aalihi.

Wa Alaykum AsSalaam w.r. w.b.

There is some reasearch on proving that in the Last year of Prophet Muhammad

SAW, the Calendars of Makkah and Medinah were DIFFERENT. This is in a paper by

Sheikh Ibrahim Memon of Darul Ul Uloom Al Madania, Buffalo , New York . The link

was at www.madania.org/english/article_ramadan_moonsighting.php but is not working

now.

Jazakum Allaahu Khayran. WasSalaam.

Salman Zafar Shaikh

[email protected]

[email protected]

Note:2nd part of this research emailing i.e. 12 Rabee-ul-awwal of

the year of birth of our prophet sallallaho Alaihi wasallam can

occur on Monday or not? It is available in another paper.

Muhammad Sultan Alam

Head of Research Committee of Astronomy Department of Jamia’-tur-Rasheed

Ahsanabad, Karachi.Pakistan

http://www.esnips.com/user/moonsighting

http://www.kulyatushariah.edu.pk/jrks/jsp/

Cell # 00923332213520

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