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Page 1: Crime, Punishment and `Individualized' Evidence › jonw › files › 2015 › 04 › Steele2012.pdf · 2015-04-16 · Thomson regarding ‘speci c/individualized’ evidence vs

Crime, Punishment and ‘Individualized’ Evidence

Katie Steele (LSE)

[email protected]

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Consider the following toy legal case:

Smith vs Red Cab. Mrs Smith was driving home late onenight. A taxi came towards her, weaving wildly from sideto side across the road. She had to swerve to avoid it;her swerve took her into a parked car; in the crash, shesuffered two broken legs. Mrs Smith therefore sued RedCab Company. Her evidence is as follows: She could seethat it was a cab which caused her accident, but shecould not see its colour late at night. There are, however,only two cab companies in town, Red Cab and GreenCab, and of the cabs in town that night, 6 out of 10 wereoperated by Red Cab. (from Jarvis Thomson (1986))

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Here is another toy case:

PRISONERS. One hundred prisoners are exercising in theprison yard. Ninety-nine of them suddenly join in aplanned attack on a prison guard; the hundredth prisonerplays no part. There is no evidence available to show whojoined in and who did not. A prisoner chosen at randomhas probability of guilt of 0.99 and is therefore convictedby the jury. (from Redmayne (2008))

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Common intuition: There is something inadequate or inappropriateabout convicting based on the evidence available in these cases.(Assume it is the only evidence that comes to light in the trial.)

Question: Can we make sense of this intuition or is it mistaken?

–We will be considering a suggestion from Judith JarvisThomson regarding ‘specific/individualized’ evidence vs ‘general’evidence.

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Common intuition: There is something inadequate or inappropriateabout convicting based on the evidence available in these cases.(Assume it is the only evidence that comes to light in the trial.)

Question: Can we make sense of this intuition or is it mistaken?

–We will be considering a suggestion from Judith JarvisThomson regarding ‘specific/individualized’ evidence vs ‘general’evidence.

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Common intuition: There is something inadequate or inappropriateabout convicting based on the evidence available in these cases.(Assume it is the only evidence that comes to light in the trial.)

Question: Can we make sense of this intuition or is it mistaken?

–We will be considering a suggestion from Judith JarvisThomson regarding ‘specific/individualized’ evidence vs ‘general’evidence.

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Preliminaries

More Than Strength of Belief?

Individualized Evidence

Assessing the Proposal

Concluding Remarks

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What is not up for grabs in this talk

I separation of fact and value

I Or... separation of setting and meeting a standard of evidence

I Setting legal standards of evidence involves balancingconsequences of errors — driven by values

e.g. ‘beyond reasonable doubt’: convicting the innocent muchworse than acquitting the guilty

I Meeting legal standards of evidence should then be a matterof epistemology — whether evidence is adequate for meetingstandard.

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What is not up for grabs in this talk

I separation of fact and value

I Or... separation of setting and meeting a standard of evidence

I Setting legal standards of evidence involves balancingconsequences of errors — driven by values

e.g. ‘beyond reasonable doubt’: convicting the innocent muchworse than acquitting the guilty

I Meeting legal standards of evidence should then be a matterof epistemology — whether evidence is adequate for meetingstandard.

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What is not up for grabs in this talk

I separation of fact and value

I Or... separation of setting and meeting a standard of evidence

I Setting legal standards of evidence involves balancingconsequences of errors — driven by values

e.g. ‘beyond reasonable doubt’: convicting the innocent muchworse than acquitting the guilty

I Meeting legal standards of evidence should then be a matterof epistemology — whether evidence is adequate for meetingstandard.

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What is not up for grabs in this talk

I separation of fact and value

I Or... separation of setting and meeting a standard of evidence

I Setting legal standards of evidence involves balancingconsequences of errors — driven by values

e.g. ‘beyond reasonable doubt’: convicting the innocent muchworse than acquitting the guilty

I Meeting legal standards of evidence should then be a matterof epistemology — whether evidence is adequate for meetingstandard.

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What is not up for grabs in this talk

I separation of fact and value

I Or... separation of setting and meeting a standard of evidence

I Setting legal standards of evidence involves balancingconsequences of errors — driven by values

e.g. ‘beyond reasonable doubt’: convicting the innocent muchworse than acquitting the guilty

I Meeting legal standards of evidence should then be a matterof epistemology — whether evidence is adequate for meetingstandard.

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Consider: Bayesian Model

I standards of proof amount to probabilistic thresholds for guilt

I threshold is ideally determined such that the verdict alwaysmaximises expected utility

e.g. perhaps convicting for murder has greater expected utilitythan acquitting, provided probability for guilt is greater than0.95; then 0.95 belief is the appropriate threshold translationof ‘beyond reasonable doubt’, at least for murder cases.

I then verdict is a matter of whether Pr(guilt | evidence) > 0.95

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Consider: Bayesian Model

I standards of proof amount to probabilistic thresholds for guilt

I threshold is ideally determined such that the verdict alwaysmaximises expected utility

e.g. perhaps convicting for murder has greater expected utilitythan acquitting, provided probability for guilt is greater than0.95; then 0.95 belief is the appropriate threshold translationof ‘beyond reasonable doubt’, at least for murder cases.

I then verdict is a matter of whether Pr(guilt | evidence) > 0.95

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Consider: Bayesian Model

I standards of proof amount to probabilistic thresholds for guilt

I threshold is ideally determined such that the verdict alwaysmaximises expected utility

e.g. perhaps convicting for murder has greater expected utilitythan acquitting, provided probability for guilt is greater than0.95; then 0.95 belief is the appropriate threshold translationof ‘beyond reasonable doubt’, at least for murder cases.

I then verdict is a matter of whether Pr(guilt | evidence) > 0.95

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Consider: Bayesian Model

I standards of proof amount to probabilistic thresholds for guilt

I threshold is ideally determined such that the verdict alwaysmaximises expected utility

e.g. perhaps convicting for murder has greater expected utilitythan acquitting, provided probability for guilt is greater than0.95; then 0.95 belief is the appropriate threshold translationof ‘beyond reasonable doubt’, at least for murder cases.

I then verdict is a matter of whether Pr(guilt | evidence) > 0.95

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Return to Our Question

We cannot explain the intuition of inadequate evidence, for the toyexamples, via standard Bayesian model

— The evidence, by assumption, meets the probability thresholdsthat have been previously determined!

So is there another way to explain the intuitions in keeping withthe fact/value divide?

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Return to Our Question

We cannot explain the intuition of inadequate evidence, for the toyexamples, via standard Bayesian model

— The evidence, by assumption, meets the probability thresholdsthat have been previously determined!

So is there another way to explain the intuitions in keeping withthe fact/value divide?

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Return to Our Question

We cannot explain the intuition of inadequate evidence, for the toyexamples, via standard Bayesian model

— The evidence, by assumption, meets the probability thresholdsthat have been previously determined!

So is there another way to explain the intuitions in keeping withthe fact/value divide?

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Preliminaries

More Than Strength of Belief?

Individualized Evidence

Assessing the Proposal

Concluding Remarks

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More Than Strength of Belief?

Perhaps standard of proof is a function of more than just thejurors’ degree of belief for guilt

There have been a number of suggestions for what thisepistemological x-factor might be:

I sufficient weight of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient diversity of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient stability of belief, in addition to strength?

I individualized rather than general evidence? (Thomson)

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More Than Strength of Belief?

Perhaps standard of proof is a function of more than just thejurors’ degree of belief for guilt

There have been a number of suggestions for what thisepistemological x-factor might be:

I sufficient weight of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient diversity of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient stability of belief, in addition to strength?

I individualized rather than general evidence? (Thomson)

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More Than Strength of Belief?

Perhaps standard of proof is a function of more than just thejurors’ degree of belief for guilt

There have been a number of suggestions for what thisepistemological x-factor might be:

I sufficient weight of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient diversity of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient stability of belief, in addition to strength?

I individualized rather than general evidence? (Thomson)

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More Than Strength of Belief?

Perhaps standard of proof is a function of more than just thejurors’ degree of belief for guilt

There have been a number of suggestions for what thisepistemological x-factor might be:

I sufficient weight of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient diversity of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient stability of belief, in addition to strength?

I individualized rather than general evidence? (Thomson)

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More Than Strength of Belief?

Perhaps standard of proof is a function of more than just thejurors’ degree of belief for guilt

There have been a number of suggestions for what thisepistemological x-factor might be:

I sufficient weight of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient diversity of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient stability of belief, in addition to strength?

I individualized rather than general evidence? (Thomson)

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More Than Strength of Belief?

Perhaps standard of proof is a function of more than just thejurors’ degree of belief for guilt

There have been a number of suggestions for what thisepistemological x-factor might be:

I sufficient weight of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient diversity of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient stability of belief, in addition to strength?

I individualized rather than general evidence? (Thomson)

Page 27: Crime, Punishment and `Individualized' Evidence › jonw › files › 2015 › 04 › Steele2012.pdf · 2015-04-16 · Thomson regarding ‘speci c/individualized’ evidence vs

More Than Strength of Belief?

Perhaps standard of proof is a function of more than just thejurors’ degree of belief for guilt

There have been a number of suggestions for what thisepistemological x-factor might be:

I sufficient weight of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient diversity of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient stability of belief, in addition to strength?

I individualized rather than general evidence? (Thomson)

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Preliminaries

More Than Strength of Belief?

Individualized Evidence

Assessing the Proposal

Concluding Remarks

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Individualized Evidence—what it cannot be

It would not make sense to rule out all statistical evidence forcause/details of crime.

What would the contrasting type of evidence be anyway?

I evidence that points to the perpetrator with certainty?

I witness reports that refer to a particular perpetrator?

Consider: ‘all evidence of causes is statistical’

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Individualized Evidence—what it cannot be

It would not make sense to rule out all statistical evidence forcause/details of crime.

What would the contrasting type of evidence be anyway?

I evidence that points to the perpetrator with certainty?

I witness reports that refer to a particular perpetrator?

Consider: ‘all evidence of causes is statistical’

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Individualized Evidence—what it cannot be

It would not make sense to rule out all statistical evidence forcause/details of crime.

What would the contrasting type of evidence be anyway?

I evidence that points to the perpetrator with certainty?

I witness reports that refer to a particular perpetrator?

Consider: ‘all evidence of causes is statistical’

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Individualized Evidence—what it cannot be

It would not make sense to rule out all statistical evidence forcause/details of crime.

What would the contrasting type of evidence be anyway?

I evidence that points to the perpetrator with certainty?

I witness reports that refer to a particular perpetrator?

Consider: ‘all evidence of causes is statistical’

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Individualized Evidence—what it cannot be

It would not make sense to rule out all statistical evidence forcause/details of crime.

What would the contrasting type of evidence be anyway?

I evidence that points to the perpetrator with certainty?

I witness reports that refer to a particular perpetrator?

Consider: ‘all evidence of causes is statistical’

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Individualized Evidence—what it cannot be

It would not make sense to rule out all statistical evidence forcause/details of crime.

What would the contrasting type of evidence be anyway?

I evidence that points to the perpetrator with certainty?

I witness reports that refer to a particular perpetrator?

Consider: ‘all evidence of causes is statistical’

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Individualized Evidence—Thomson’s proposal

I strongly suspect that what people feel the lack of, andcall individualized evidence, is evidence which is in anappropriate way causally connected with the (putative)fact that the defendant caused the harm. (Thomson)

Thomson appeals to witness case for contrast:

I Imagine in Mrs Smith’s case that a witness, with somereliability p, reported a red cab.

I If it was a green cab, suppose, the witness would have beenless likely to report red.

I So we have the familiar comparison between Pr(witnessreports red | Red Cab) and Pr(witness reports red | GreenCab)

I The idea is that the witness report is appropriately causallyconnected/sensitive to the guilt of Red Cab, in this incidence.

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Individualized Evidence—Thomson’s proposal

I strongly suspect that what people feel the lack of, andcall individualized evidence, is evidence which is in anappropriate way causally connected with the (putative)fact that the defendant caused the harm. (Thomson)

Thomson appeals to witness case for contrast:

I Imagine in Mrs Smith’s case that a witness, with somereliability p, reported a red cab.

I If it was a green cab, suppose, the witness would have beenless likely to report red.

I So we have the familiar comparison between Pr(witnessreports red | Red Cab) and Pr(witness reports red | GreenCab)

I The idea is that the witness report is appropriately causallyconnected/sensitive to the guilt of Red Cab, in this incidence.

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Individualized Evidence—Thomson’s proposal

I strongly suspect that what people feel the lack of, andcall individualized evidence, is evidence which is in anappropriate way causally connected with the (putative)fact that the defendant caused the harm. (Thomson)

Thomson appeals to witness case for contrast:

I Imagine in Mrs Smith’s case that a witness, with somereliability p, reported a red cab.

I If it was a green cab, suppose, the witness would have beenless likely to report red.

I So we have the familiar comparison between Pr(witnessreports red | Red Cab) and Pr(witness reports red | GreenCab)

I The idea is that the witness report is appropriately causallyconnected/sensitive to the guilt of Red Cab, in this incidence.

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Individualized Evidence—Thomson’s proposal

I strongly suspect that what people feel the lack of, andcall individualized evidence, is evidence which is in anappropriate way causally connected with the (putative)fact that the defendant caused the harm. (Thomson)

Thomson appeals to witness case for contrast:

I Imagine in Mrs Smith’s case that a witness, with somereliability p, reported a red cab.

I If it was a green cab, suppose, the witness would have beenless likely to report red.

I So we have the familiar comparison between Pr(witnessreports red | Red Cab) and Pr(witness reports red | GreenCab)

I The idea is that the witness report is appropriately causallyconnected/sensitive to the guilt of Red Cab, in this incidence.

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Individualized Evidence—Thomson’s proposal

I strongly suspect that what people feel the lack of, andcall individualized evidence, is evidence which is in anappropriate way causally connected with the (putative)fact that the defendant caused the harm. (Thomson)

Thomson appeals to witness case for contrast:

I Imagine in Mrs Smith’s case that a witness, with somereliability p, reported a red cab.

I If it was a green cab, suppose, the witness would have beenless likely to report red.

I So we have the familiar comparison between Pr(witnessreports red | Red Cab) and Pr(witness reports red | GreenCab)

I The idea is that the witness report is appropriately causallyconnected/sensitive to the guilt of Red Cab, in this incidence.

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Individualized Evidence—Thomson’s proposal

I strongly suspect that what people feel the lack of, andcall individualized evidence, is evidence which is in anappropriate way causally connected with the (putative)fact that the defendant caused the harm. (Thomson)

Thomson appeals to witness case for contrast:

I Imagine in Mrs Smith’s case that a witness, with somereliability p, reported a red cab.

I If it was a green cab, suppose, the witness would have beenless likely to report red.

I So we have the familiar comparison between Pr(witnessreports red | Red Cab) and Pr(witness reports red | GreenCab)

I The idea is that the witness report is appropriately causallyconnected/sensitive to the guilt of Red Cab, in this incidence.

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Individualized Evidence—Thomson’s proposal

I strongly suspect that what people feel the lack of, andcall individualized evidence, is evidence which is in anappropriate way causally connected with the (putative)fact that the defendant caused the harm. (Thomson)

Thomson appeals to witness case for contrast:

I Imagine in Mrs Smith’s case that a witness, with somereliability p, reported a red cab.

I If it was a green cab, suppose, the witness would have beenless likely to report red.

I So we have the familiar comparison between Pr(witnessreports red | Red Cab) and Pr(witness reports red | GreenCab)

I The idea is that the witness report is appropriately causallyconnected/sensitive to the guilt of Red Cab, in this incidence.

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Individualized Evidence—Thomson’s proposal

Let us return again to the original Mrs Smith case, where thereport was just of a cab (6 out of 10 on the roads are red).

This is appropriately causally connected to a cab being involved inthe incidence...

But it does not single out Red Cabs over Green Cabs in anappropriate causal manner.

Thomson says ‘It would then be a matter of luck (like tossing acoin) that we would correctly convict Red Cab.’

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Individualized Evidence—Thomson’s proposal

Let us return again to the original Mrs Smith case, where thereport was just of a cab (6 out of 10 on the roads are red).

This is appropriately causally connected to a cab being involved inthe incidence...

But it does not single out Red Cabs over Green Cabs in anappropriate causal manner.

Thomson says ‘It would then be a matter of luck (like tossing acoin) that we would correctly convict Red Cab.’

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Individualized Evidence—Thomson’s proposal

Let us return again to the original Mrs Smith case, where thereport was just of a cab (6 out of 10 on the roads are red).

This is appropriately causally connected to a cab being involved inthe incidence...

But it does not single out Red Cabs over Green Cabs in anappropriate causal manner.

Thomson says ‘It would then be a matter of luck (like tossing acoin) that we would correctly convict Red Cab.’

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Individualized Evidence—Thomson’s proposal

Let us return again to the original Mrs Smith case, where thereport was just of a cab (6 out of 10 on the roads are red).

This is appropriately causally connected to a cab being involved inthe incidence...

But it does not single out Red Cabs over Green Cabs in anappropriate causal manner.

Thomson says ‘It would then be a matter of luck (like tossing acoin) that we would correctly convict Red Cab.’

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Individualized Evidence—Thomson’s proposal

Let us return again to the original Mrs Smith case, where thereport was just of a cab (6 out of 10 on the roads are red).

This is appropriately causally connected to a cab being involved inthe incidence...

But it does not single out Red Cabs over Green Cabs in anappropriate causal manner.

Thomson says ‘It would then be a matter of luck (like tossing acoin) that we would correctly convict Red Cab.’

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Preliminaries

More Than Strength of Belief?

Individualized Evidence

Assessing the Proposal

Concluding Remarks

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Assessing the Proposal

What to think of this?

The term ‘luck’ is misplaced here. There is luck in the witnessreport being correct too.

The prior distribution of cabs is arguably also causally connected tothe incident, if they each have some propensity to cause anaccident.

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Assessing the Proposal

What to think of this?

The term ‘luck’ is misplaced here. There is luck in the witnessreport being correct too.

The prior distribution of cabs is arguably also causally connected tothe incident, if they each have some propensity to cause anaccident.

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Assessing the Proposal

What to think of this?

The term ‘luck’ is misplaced here. There is luck in the witnessreport being correct too.

The prior distribution of cabs is arguably also causally connected tothe incident, if they each have some propensity to cause anaccident.

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Assessing the Proposal

What to think of this?

The term ‘luck’ is misplaced here. There is luck in the witnessreport being correct too.

The prior distribution of cabs is arguably also causally connected tothe incident, if they each have some propensity to cause anaccident.

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Assessing the Proposal

In Bayesian language, Thomson seems to require that the guiltyindividual be singled out in terms of differential likelihoods, wheredifferential priors will not do.

Consider Pr(Red Cab | evidence)

= Pr(evidence | Red Cab) × Pr(Red Cab) / Pr(evidence)

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Assessing the Proposal

In Bayesian language, Thomson seems to require that the guiltyindividual be singled out in terms of differential likelihoods, wheredifferential priors will not do.

Consider Pr(Red Cab | evidence)

= Pr(evidence | Red Cab) × Pr(Red Cab) / Pr(evidence)

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Assessing the Proposal

In Bayesian language, Thomson seems to require that the guiltyindividual be singled out in terms of differential likelihoods, wheredifferential priors will not do.

Consider Pr(Red Cab | evidence)

= Pr(evidence | Red Cab) × Pr(Red Cab) / Pr(evidence)

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Assessing the Proposal

I am interested in the best way of presenting this proposal...

Perhaps we should regard this individualized-evidence proposal as alikelihoodist/error statistics proposal.

Where ’causally connected’ matches up to objective likelihooddistributions?

I Not sure, since the prior distribution of cabs here is, byassumption, an objective one.

I But then it is a stretch to claim the cabs have equalpropensity to cause an accident.

If we were to go with this... legal standards of evidence would needto be seriously revised

I not probabilistic strength of belief plus x-factorI but some measure based on likelihood ratios? How would the

threshold be determined?

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Assessing the ProposalI am interested in the best way of presenting this proposal...

Perhaps we should regard this individualized-evidence proposal as alikelihoodist/error statistics proposal.

Where ’causally connected’ matches up to objective likelihooddistributions?

I Not sure, since the prior distribution of cabs here is, byassumption, an objective one.

I But then it is a stretch to claim the cabs have equalpropensity to cause an accident.

If we were to go with this... legal standards of evidence would needto be seriously revised

I not probabilistic strength of belief plus x-factorI but some measure based on likelihood ratios? How would the

threshold be determined?

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Assessing the ProposalI am interested in the best way of presenting this proposal...

Perhaps we should regard this individualized-evidence proposal as alikelihoodist/error statistics proposal.

Where ’causally connected’ matches up to objective likelihooddistributions?

I Not sure, since the prior distribution of cabs here is, byassumption, an objective one.

I But then it is a stretch to claim the cabs have equalpropensity to cause an accident.

If we were to go with this... legal standards of evidence would needto be seriously revised

I not probabilistic strength of belief plus x-factorI but some measure based on likelihood ratios? How would the

threshold be determined?

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Assessing the ProposalI am interested in the best way of presenting this proposal...

Perhaps we should regard this individualized-evidence proposal as alikelihoodist/error statistics proposal.

Where ’causally connected’ matches up to objective likelihooddistributions?

I Not sure, since the prior distribution of cabs here is, byassumption, an objective one.

I But then it is a stretch to claim the cabs have equalpropensity to cause an accident.

If we were to go with this... legal standards of evidence would needto be seriously revised

I not probabilistic strength of belief plus x-factorI but some measure based on likelihood ratios? How would the

threshold be determined?

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Assessing the ProposalI am interested in the best way of presenting this proposal...

Perhaps we should regard this individualized-evidence proposal as alikelihoodist/error statistics proposal.

Where ’causally connected’ matches up to objective likelihooddistributions?

I Not sure, since the prior distribution of cabs here is, byassumption, an objective one.

I But then it is a stretch to claim the cabs have equalpropensity to cause an accident.

If we were to go with this... legal standards of evidence would needto be seriously revised

I not probabilistic strength of belief plus x-factorI but some measure based on likelihood ratios? How would the

threshold be determined?

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Assessing the ProposalI am interested in the best way of presenting this proposal...

Perhaps we should regard this individualized-evidence proposal as alikelihoodist/error statistics proposal.

Where ’causally connected’ matches up to objective likelihooddistributions?

I Not sure, since the prior distribution of cabs here is, byassumption, an objective one.

I But then it is a stretch to claim the cabs have equalpropensity to cause an accident.

If we were to go with this... legal standards of evidence would needto be seriously revised

I not probabilistic strength of belief plus x-factorI but some measure based on likelihood ratios? How would the

threshold be determined?

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Assessing the ProposalI am interested in the best way of presenting this proposal...

Perhaps we should regard this individualized-evidence proposal as alikelihoodist/error statistics proposal.

Where ’causally connected’ matches up to objective likelihooddistributions?

I Not sure, since the prior distribution of cabs here is, byassumption, an objective one.

I But then it is a stretch to claim the cabs have equalpropensity to cause an accident.

If we were to go with this... legal standards of evidence would needto be seriously revised

I not probabilistic strength of belief plus x-factorI but some measure based on likelihood ratios? How would the

threshold be determined?

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Assessing the ProposalI am interested in the best way of presenting this proposal...

Perhaps we should regard this individualized-evidence proposal as alikelihoodist/error statistics proposal.

Where ’causally connected’ matches up to objective likelihooddistributions?

I Not sure, since the prior distribution of cabs here is, byassumption, an objective one.

I But then it is a stretch to claim the cabs have equalpropensity to cause an accident.

If we were to go with this... legal standards of evidence would needto be seriously revised

I not probabilistic strength of belief plus x-factor

I but some measure based on likelihood ratios? How would thethreshold be determined?

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Assessing the ProposalI am interested in the best way of presenting this proposal...

Perhaps we should regard this individualized-evidence proposal as alikelihoodist/error statistics proposal.

Where ’causally connected’ matches up to objective likelihooddistributions?

I Not sure, since the prior distribution of cabs here is, byassumption, an objective one.

I But then it is a stretch to claim the cabs have equalpropensity to cause an accident.

If we were to go with this... legal standards of evidence would needto be seriously revised

I not probabilistic strength of belief plus x-factorI but some measure based on likelihood ratios? How would the

threshold be determined?

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Assessing the Proposal

What might the Bayesian say?

Recall some other possibilities for epistemological x-factormentioned earlier:

I sufficient weight of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient diversity of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient stability of belief, in addition to strength?

Could appeal to one of these.

Or alternatively, take deflationary stance towards intuitions in ourexamples.

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Assessing the Proposal

What might the Bayesian say?

Recall some other possibilities for epistemological x-factormentioned earlier:

I sufficient weight of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient diversity of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient stability of belief, in addition to strength?

Could appeal to one of these.

Or alternatively, take deflationary stance towards intuitions in ourexamples.

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Assessing the Proposal

What might the Bayesian say?

Recall some other possibilities for epistemological x-factormentioned earlier:

I sufficient weight of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient diversity of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient stability of belief, in addition to strength?

Could appeal to one of these.

Or alternatively, take deflationary stance towards intuitions in ourexamples.

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Assessing the Proposal

What might the Bayesian say?

Recall some other possibilities for epistemological x-factormentioned earlier:

I sufficient weight of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient diversity of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient stability of belief, in addition to strength?

Could appeal to one of these.

Or alternatively, take deflationary stance towards intuitions in ourexamples.

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Assessing the Proposal

What might the Bayesian say?

Recall some other possibilities for epistemological x-factormentioned earlier:

I sufficient weight of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient diversity of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient stability of belief, in addition to strength?

Could appeal to one of these.

Or alternatively, take deflationary stance towards intuitions in ourexamples.

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Assessing the Proposal

What might the Bayesian say?

Recall some other possibilities for epistemological x-factormentioned earlier:

I sufficient weight of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient diversity of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient stability of belief, in addition to strength?

Could appeal to one of these.

Or alternatively, take deflationary stance towards intuitions in ourexamples.

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Assessing the Proposal

What might the Bayesian say?

Recall some other possibilities for epistemological x-factormentioned earlier:

I sufficient weight of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient diversity of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient stability of belief, in addition to strength?

Could appeal to one of these.

Or alternatively, take deflationary stance towards intuitions in ourexamples.

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Assessing the Proposal

What might the Bayesian say?

Recall some other possibilities for epistemological x-factormentioned earlier:

I sufficient weight of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient diversity of evidence, in addition to strength?

I sufficient stability of belief, in addition to strength?

Could appeal to one of these.

Or alternatively, take deflationary stance towards intuitions in ourexamples.

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Preliminaries

More Than Strength of Belief?

Individualized Evidence

Assessing the Proposal

Concluding Remarks

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Concluding Remarks

–work in progress!

I Question: Is there some epistemic warrant instead of/beyondstrength of belief that is required to meet legal standards ofproof?

I –There is plausibility to the call for individualized evidence

I –What can/should the Bayesian take from this?

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Concluding Remarks

–work in progress!

I Question: Is there some epistemic warrant instead of/beyondstrength of belief that is required to meet legal standards ofproof?

I –There is plausibility to the call for individualized evidence

I –What can/should the Bayesian take from this?

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Concluding Remarks

–work in progress!

I Question: Is there some epistemic warrant instead of/beyondstrength of belief that is required to meet legal standards ofproof?

I –There is plausibility to the call for individualized evidence

I –What can/should the Bayesian take from this?

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Concluding Remarks

–work in progress!

I Question: Is there some epistemic warrant instead of/beyondstrength of belief that is required to meet legal standards ofproof?

I –There is plausibility to the call for individualized evidence

I –What can/should the Bayesian take from this?

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Concluding Remarks

–work in progress!

I Question: Is there some epistemic warrant instead of/beyondstrength of belief that is required to meet legal standards ofproof?

I –There is plausibility to the call for individualized evidence

I –What can/should the Bayesian take from this?