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NIR Voting and Fee StructuresNIR Voting and Fee Structures

Izumi OkutaniIP Address Section

Japan Network Information Center

Open NIR Meeting Feb 2003


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Contents

• Introduction

• The current NIR fee and Voting Structure

• The issues relating the current model

• Introduction of models

• Proposal

• Schedule


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Introduction

• This presentation seeks to initiate discussions about the fee and voting structure for NIRs

• Not yet at the stage of proposing a specific model, so simply introducing the possible models we have come up so far

前村　昌紀

It is not intended to propose a specific model,　ってのは、「だったら発表の目的は何なんだ？」って感じの印象になりそうな気がするので、not yet reached any specirfic model to be proposed, but present the status of discussion（意味通じてるか？検討の現状を紹介するのが今回の目的だ、というのが言いたかった。）って感じでどう？


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The Current Fee Structure for NIRs

Annual Membership Fee + Per Address FeeAnnual Membership Fee + Per Address Fee

http://www.apnic.net/docs/corpdocs/member-fee-schedule.html


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The Current Voting Structure for NIRs

• Apply the voting structure of LIRs based on the annual fee• No independent voting structure for NIRs


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The Case of JPNIC(Fee)Annual Membership Fee Per Address FeeAnnual Membership Fee Per Address Fee

Membership tier Fee

Associate $625

Very Small $1,250

Small $2,500

Medium $5,000

Large $10,000

Very Large $20,000

Extra Large $40,000

Membership tier Fee

Associate n/a

Very Small n/a

Small $0.16

Medium $0.11

Large $0.06

Very Large $0.03

Extra Large $0.02


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Annual Membership Fee : US$40,000

Per Address Fee :US$42,350

Total :US$82,350

Fee from Apr 2002 – Mar 2003


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64 voting rights as an Extra Large Member

The Case of JPNIC(Voting)

Membership tier No. of votes

Associate 1

Very Small 2

Small 4

Medium 8

Large 16

Very Large 32

Extra Large 64


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Issues about the Current Model

• Per Address Fee takes a great proportion of the fee, but the justification is unclear

• A different fee structure applies to confederation members, but the voting model is the same as LIRs

Is the current fee and voting structure really reflecting the role of NIRs?


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Let’s Seek for an Appropriate Model

• The next few slides simply provide possible models to start the discussion

• Each model has its pros and cons, so no specific model to propose at the moment

前村　昌紀

logical reason って和訳すると分かるけど、英文でも意味通ってる？通ってるならいい。


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The Current Model

• Logics Assumed– NIRs are considered to be APNIC members bu

t putting additional expenses to APNIC compared to LIRs

• Fee – Annual Membership Fee + Per Address Fee

• Voting– Based on the Annual Membership Fee


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Pros and Cons

• Pros– No major inconvenience to run the current NIR operati

on– Per Address Fee prevents address space bargaining

• Cons– Does not consider the fact that NIRs share some work

with APNIC– Voting structure inconsistent with the fee– Address bargaining could be prevented by other models

前村　昌紀

because it is existing model and NIRs business are designed to fit this . とか書いたほうがよくない？

前村　昌紀


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Model A

• Logics– Considers NIRs to be an APNIC member/an agent of p

otential APNIC members

• Fee– Subtract NIR’s operational Cost from the total fee if NI

R Members were APNIC members

• Voting– NIRs/NIR members will receive an equivalent number

of votes for the address space allocated to NIR members, based on the existing category

前村　昌紀

前村　昌紀

no.　ぢゃなくて、number　か # にしたほうがよいのでは？


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Fee in Model A

Actual Fee paid by NIRs Operational expense of NIRs

The total fee if NIR members were APNIC membersFee paid by if NIR members were APNIC members


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Voting in Model A

APNIC

NIR Member

NIR Member

NIR Member

NIR Member

NIR

NIR members or NIRs will obtain the number of votes if NIR members were APNIC members, based on their allocation size


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Pros and Cons of Model A

• Pros– Fee and Voting structure will be closely related

with clear logics

• Cons– May not be a realistic figure after the cost &

votes simulation


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Model B

• Logics– Considers NIRs to be an organization assisting APNIC

operations, independent from membership

• Fee– NIRs will pay the NIR related operational expenses for

APNIC

• Voting– NIRs will not have any votes. NIRs will be represented

by for example, an NIR Committee instead

前村　昌紀

assisting : 綴りなおしてね。

前村　昌紀

突然　NIR Committeeが出てくるので意味が通らない気がするけど、an NIR Committee とすると大丈夫なのかな？


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Pros and Cons of Model B

• Pros– Reflects the current roles of NIRs, sharing work

with APNIC

• Cons– Difficult to assess an appropriate amount of fee – Difficult to define the role and authority of an

NIR Committee


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Summary of ModelsCurret Model Model A Model B

LogicsNIRs are like LIRs with extraexpenses for APNIC

NIRs are APNIC members/anagent of potential APNICmembers

NIRs share work with APNIC,independent from membership

FeeAnnual Membership Fee+ PerAddress Fee

Annual Membership Fee if NIRMembers were APNIC Members.Subtract the expenses for NIRsfrom this fee

NIRs will pay the NIR relatedoperational expenses forAPNIC

VotingBased on Annual MembershipFee

Based on the AnnualMembership Fee

No votes for NIRs. Set up NIRCommittee instead

No major inconvenienceFee and Voting structure will beclosely related

Reflects the current roles ofNIRs, sharing work with APNIC

Per Address Fee preventsaddress space bargaining

Does not take NIR's role intoaccount

May not be a realistic figure afterthe cost & votes simulation

Difficult to assess an appropriateamount of fee

Voting structure inconsistentwith the fee

Difficult to define the role andauthority of NIR Committee

Address bargaining could beprevented by other models

Pros

Cons


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Proposal

Start discussions on nir-discuss ML to seek for an appropriate model

– There may be other models other than presented here

– The current model could also be an option, but should not be implemented only for the historical reasons


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Proposed Schedule

April 2003 Brain Storm models on MLJune 2003 Cost Simulation of ModelsAug 2003 Select an Appropriate ModelSummer2003 Propose at Open NIR Meeting (If changes are necessary)

*If a consensus is reached, prepare documentation to propose at AMM in APRICOT2004


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Q&A

Let’s Start the discussion

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