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Chat Topic: Landscape Software September 16, 2009

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Name Comment TimeAndrew Spiering Hello Everyone! What would you like to talk about today? 9:05Victoria Solis Pauwels Hi Andrew! 9:06Andrew Spiering hey Victoria!Rob Rosner Hi AllAndrew Spiering Hi Rob!Laura Powell How about Landscape Software, Hardware, 9:07Rob Rosner Like what?Rob Rosner Does anyone Horticopia?Andrew Spiering Laura, anything in particular?Laura Powell I use Archivad on a mac. I love the program but it does not

have a large libraryEric Schultz Does anyone use something other than visual for running

lighting photometrics?Andrew Spiering Okay, it looks like that struck a chord! 9:08Laura Powell I bought Onyx Tree, but it is a modeling program and I

have to make every plant and treeRob Rosner Can it import from other programs? 9:09Andrew Spiering Let's chat about Landscape Software, Hardware, etc…Laura Powell What programs have good plan symbols and hardscape

solutionVictoria Solis Pauwels nice!Clayton Munson Good morning all. I use ACAD with LandFX add on for all of

my design work9:10

Rob Rosner What format of symbols, CAD, JPG<PNG?Laura Powell Yes, you have to use a rendering engine. I import it into

archicad or sketchupEmily Krohe hey clayton! I used to landfx tooClayton Munson LandFX has a great symbol collection but if you like what

you have you can add them into their library9:11

Laura Powell Landfx looks awesome but, they don't have the program for macs

Clayton Munson Hi emily!Andrew Spiering Laura, that's true.Andrew Spiering Have you tried Vectorworks?Andrew Chance I've been using Vectorworks and it's got a pretty decent

plant symbol libraryLaura Powell I heard it is good. 9:12Andrew Spiering They just released 2010…

http://www.land8lounge.com/profiles/blogs/making-change-easy-with

Andrew Spiering What other programs are out their for mac?Craig Verzone We have used Vectorworks since 1995 but have never

developed an ability to use the Renderworks. Now SketchUp is the default application used by out interns.

9:13

Victoria Solis Pauwels yeap, I use sketch up and autocad… 9:14



Laura Powell My husband is an Architect and does fantastic renderings with archicad and then he gives the projects to me to do the landscape. I also use Photoshop and SketchUp

Andrew Spiering It is hard to compete against SU when it is so easy to use!Emily Krohe landfx was also great for labeling and creating plant

schedules…so easy! Huge time saverAndrew Spiering Emily- agreed! 9:15Andrew Spiering planting plans with Land F/X saves soooo much time.Laura Powell I was so aggrevated when I read it was not available for

macs. I emailed the company but never received a reply.Emily Krohe now im back to hand lavels with cad Andrew Spiering Both Jeremiah and Dave Farmer are members of the

lounge… hint hint.Emily Krohe really? They were pretty helpful with my experienceLaura Powell I guess they don't like mac users.Rob Rosner LandFX is pretty expensive. 9:17Andrew Spiering Tell me more about Archicad…someone.Laura Powell Archicad cost me $9,000 for 2 licensesAndrew Spiering yikes!Rob Rosner Is that ontop of AutoCAD? 9:18Laura Powell It is so much better than AutoCAD. I don't understand why

architets use AutoCad over Archicad.Andrew Spiering What makes it better?Rob Rosner It seems they are going towards Revit.Victoria Solis Pauwels but you could download ad educational version for a year

(archicad)Andrew Chance Does anybody actually like AutoCAD? I don't find it user

friendly compared to Vectorworks9:19

Laura Powell With Archicad, if you draw a line and open the window and put the peramiters in, it automatically makes it a three d drawing

Rob Rosner I have been using AutoCAD since version 9 in 1990.cary bush autocad is great if you create your own dynamic block

libraryLaura Powell I think Vectorworks is or was the same company as

ArchicadVictoria Solis Pauwels I always use autocad 9:20Laura Powell I met some of them at one of the shows and they were very

helpfulClayton Munson I was trained in school on it so it's all I really know.Laura Powell I hate AutoCadRob Rosner It was a lot better than hand drafting multiple base sheets

for different types of drawings.Laura Powell My husband used to teach both AutoCad and Archicad. I

could never get the hang of AutoCadAlexandre Gagnon all the plans we get from cities are in dwg 9:21Emily Krohe whats better about vectorworks? Ive never used it…cary bush impression is also a great add on to autocad



Rob Rosner Impressions is great for hand look graphics connected to AutoCAD

cary bush sync's well with written block 9:22Laura Powell I have the old Archicad 9 and I hear that the newer

versions work with importing SketchUp models which means you can import from Warehouse (Google) all models and then transfer them to Archicad

Clayton Munson I think autocad has just become the staple of the design professions and people are a little wary to branch out. Plus the Expense and time required to learn a new program might be viewed as too costly

cary bush true claytonEmily Krohe agreed!Andrew Chance Vectorworks' layout and tools are more similar to Adobe

programs, which I have more experience in. I find scaling and formatting much easier too.

9:23

Andrew Spiering agreed.Keven Graham Sketch-up is the choice in our office. The youngsters take it

then to photoshop and make it look softer and less computerized. We have definent bent on Mike Lin graphics style and insist on soft loose approach. We try a lot of the software out there

Alexandre Gagnon opening dwg in other programs than autocad can lead to surprises…

Laura Powell I love photoshopAndrew Spiering do you use quick "hot" keys in Vectorworks?Andrew Spiering or is it hunt and peck 9:24cary bush I feel as landscape architecture is an expression of true

design common sense, civil 3d cad is a poor program for prefab site design

Laura Powell Keven, that sounds excellentAndrew Chance I've been more of a "mouse" guy but do use "hot keys" 9:25Kerrie John Are there any British LA on here now?Craig Verzone Vectorworks has been the most affordable option for our

studio, however, most of our incoming colleagues don't usually know it so we lose out on the training and start-up cost.

Craig Verzone Hot keys in VW is the only way to drive effectively. 9:26Laura Powell That is a shame. It will be lost in the next generation if you

don't keep it going CraigAndrew Chance I think there is a continued move to Mac platform and a

moe towards options to AutoCAD. At least I hope soLaura Powell I mean Craig. My hand slipped. 9:27Andrew Spiering good to know…all the demos are click based. That turned

me off a bit because everything moved so sloowwwly…Laura Powell Now you are talking my language. Don't get me started on

the difference between a mac and pcAndrew Spiering ha! 9:28



Andrew Spiering Kerrie, I am not British but can fake an accent… : ) 9:29Laura Powell That is why I hated Autocad. The clicking stuffAndrew Spiering I only use hotkeys in AutoCad.Andrew Spiering Moves way quicker…Emily Krohe and same in pshop…MUCH quicker 9:30Laura Powell What is hotkeys?Andrew Spiering short cut key strokes…here is a list -

http://www.land8lounge.com/forum/topics/2025679:Topic:16722

Laura Powell thanks 9:31Andrew Spiering no problemAlexandre Gagnon I've seen a friend of mine working with solid thinking on

mac, and I looked a bit like sketchup, though, there is no free version

Andrew Spiering Who uses kerkythea? 9:32Laura Powell ohhhhh we call it keyboard shortcuts in macAndrew Spiering my bad!Laura Powell what's that?cary bush nice condensed list of commands. TightMike McBride Anybody know where there are good dynamic blocks

available?9:33

Andrew Spiering Ya, Matt Landis pust that list together…Clayton Munson cben.net you can get blocks, not sure how many of them

are dynamic9:34

http://www.cben.netAndrew Spiering That's cool. How is the quality?Eric Hadden has anybody started using Revit for landscape

architecture?...I worked at an architecture office that was moving completely to Revit but didn't plan on integrating it into the Landscape Architecture group's work

9:36

Laura Powell Is that a dwg library? Has anyone heard of Onyx Tree? Beautiful trees and plants

Andrew Spiering Nope. Do you have a link?Alexandre Gagnon yes, I've worked with onyxAlexandre Gagnon lots of polygonsClayton Munson wide range. Some of them are really good 3d version of

the whitehouse to poor squares representing chairsAndrew Spiering Has anyone used FormFonts 3D? 9:37Andrew Chance Does anybody use illustrator much?Laura Powell No but this discussion is turning out to be very helpfulcary bush agreed laura. Good links = production 9:38Alexandre Gagnon has anyone found a fast and easy solution to go from 3d

designs to 2d plans?Laura Powell I need to get Adobe CSS soon. I want to design websites

in dreamweaverBenjamin Boyd Why CSS and not CS4 (which I just got my hands on and is

great)?9:39



Laura Powell Yes, you have to import the plans either to photoshop, sketch up or Onyxtree

cary bush anyone, other than me, have trouble with autocad 2009 currupting files?

Clayton Munson CBEN is a free site, Form Fonts is a pay site. 9:40cary bush how about 2010?Laura Powell ben, for cs4 do I need a newer computer with duel core

processors is that rightAndrew Spiering Clay, which has better quality?Benjamin Boyd it says you do, but ive been running it on my 4 year old one

and its fine - just don't try and run Sketch-up, CAD, and Photoshop at the same time.

9:41

Benjamin Boyd It will still install and everythingKerrie John It's ok Andrew, just wondered if anyone from round my way

was on here!Laura Powell crashBenjamin Boyd exactly 9:42Andrew Spiering : )Clayton Munson form fonts is a more controlled site, so the quality would be

better. Cben is open to all to upload to so there are massive amounts of blocks. Some great some poor. Just take a little searching

Laura Powell have you seen the 3rd party ones. They are really expensive. I don't think they are legal though and they don't give any back up help.

Andrew Spiering FormFonts is a pay site but L8L members get 25% discount…

9:43

http://www.formfonts.com/community/L8L/Alexandre Gagnon anyone working with land desktop?Andrew Spiering Thanks, Clay!Benjamin Boyd Ive been scouring the internet for block all weeks for my

office - cben is frustrating but Ive actually found that CAD 2009 has a pretty good selection of dynamic and regular blocks in the new Tool Palette (shortcut Ctrl+3)

9:44

Andrew Spiering Here is a link to onyxtree if anyone missed it - 9:45http://www.onyxtree.com/

Laura Powell I joined FormFonts but, all of the mac models are from Archicad libraries which I already have

9:46

Andrew Spiering Did you join the exchange or the paid site?Laura Powell onyx tree also has a program called storm and the trees

move in the wind9:47

Andrew Spiering That's cool.Laura Powell The plants are the most realistic but, you need a strong

computer and rendering engine9:48

Mike McBride Onyx Trees is great for making elevation view of unique trees as well and it exports the file as a png with an alpha layer so its real easy to use

Andrew Spiering Just an FYI…Eric Gilbey from Vectorworks is in the house.



Laura Powell Ahh mike, another Onyx tree user. Sounds like you know the program. Can I email you if need be?

Eric Gilbey Thanks Andrew… anyone have questions about a landscape specific solution?

9:49

Mike McBride sure, I used to use it for 3d max but its great for photoshopping in trees

9:50

Laura Powell Hi eric, is Vectorworks an Archicad product? I have been to shows and talked to reps from there. The program looks great for las

Dinorah M. Melendez thanks for the we AndrewDinorah M. Melendez Has anybody use LandFXDinorah M. Melendez I tried to install it, but it was so difficult, so I am still

waiting for a better time to try9:51

Mike McBride But every other discipline uses autocadAndrew Spiering Yep. I like it a lot for planting plans.Eric Gilbey It is a sister company to Archicad, but not at all the same

program…it is the best for landscape design that I have seen, and I have been using CAD for many years.

Victoria Solis Pauwels good to know…Laura Powell I have been using Archicad for many years now but it's not

great for LA's9:52

Brian Lin most mult-disciplinary firms use revit or autocadEric Gilbey What's great for collaboration with ACAD users is that

Vectorworks imports and exports DXF and DWG files so the workslow stays consistent

Lindie I have archicad…just I haven't used it much…my work uses autoCAD..

Laura Powell Vectorworks has excellent 2d symbols and groundcovers right?

Laura Powell What about with a mac 9:53Eric Gilbey Yep and hybrid at that…you can assign 3D representation

directly to them and see them in a 3D view…no need to leave the program to see it come to life

Eric Gilbey VW works on mac and pcAndrew Spiering Vdub as I like to call it… 9:54Andrew Spiering : )Andrew Spiering How does Vdub compare to SketchUp?Brian Lin the only landscape firm we work with that uses vw is pete

walker's office9:55

Andrew Spiering arterra uses it as well…Andrew Spiering and Graham Landscape Architects from my understanding,

but, everyone else I know uses AC.9:56

Brian Lin I used vw a few years ago…not a bad program.Dinorah M. Melendez anybody with LandFX?Laura Powell Wow, you work with peter walker



Eric Gilbey Vdub is using smarter 3D objects…so like the DTM (site model), you can use the contours or point data to form a terrain model, with a few (3 clicks) and from that produce a proposed site modifier, such as a sloped pad and get data about cut/fill

9:57

Brian Lin pete walker was our landscape architect for a few projects in seattle and northern cal.

Brian Lin vw is a "smater" program than sketch up.Lindie whats everyones professions here?Andrew Spiering Brian, how so? 9:58Rob Rosner How about Civil 3D?Laura Powell I live in the central coast of caBrian Lin I've been using the site model component tools in revit and

it is quite difficultAlexandre Gagnon land desktop comes close to civil 3dEric Gilbey the results are smarter, we integrate SIM or site information

modeling, not just free from modeling, which you can still do, but with VW there is more info to report and analyze

Brian Lin sketch up can't do site calcs… 9:59Rob Rosner Land Desktop is supposed to be phasing out with Civil 3D

as it's replacement.Victoria Solis Pauwels I want to try vw…where could I find it?Alexandre Gagnon civil 3d is much more expensiveBenjamin Boyd ive read a few articles on how revit is not up to snub for

LA's just yet…Eric Gilbey vectorworks.net…if you are at ALSA, we will be booth 1225

and will have free training in the learning labs both Saturday and Sunday

Andrew Spiering Revit is not designed for LA's…Rob Rosner it's expensive for sure.Brian Lin yeahBrian Lin I'm leading the LA effort for a large hospital project and 90

percent of the sitework is over structure10:00

Laura Powell You do great booth eric LOLBrian Lin so I had to learn revitAlexandre Gagnon civil 3d is expensive, and it doesn't do much more for us

than land desktop does from what I have understood from the autodesk website

Rob Rosner It is really powerful for DTM work, profiles, volume calcs etc.

Eric Gilbey I'd be glad to do web demos of the software, for those not going to ASLA, or if your going and still want a demo

Laura Powell that sounds great. Maybe andrew can set that up 10:01Brian Lin great idea 10:02Victoria Solis Pauwels yes, sounds great Eric!Eric Gilbey great or if you want one on one, email me

[email protected]



Eric Gilbey I like the idea of a group demo, more questions the betterDinorah M. Melendez great, so do I need to have installed VW in my computer,

before the training Eric, or is it just to observe?10:03

Brad Moulton Does anyone have a good comparison of Sketchup 6.0 vs 7.0? Trying to get upgrade approved…

Eric Gilbey well, we will have 30 day evals there to load if you want to use your laptop

Andrew Spiering Brad, Daniel Tal is the guy for that… 10:04Clayton Munson Dinorah, I use LandFXAndrew Spiering Brad, we have a forum category dedicated to SU that Daniel

moderates - http://www.land8louge.com/forum/categories/sketchup-1/listForCategory

Dinorah M. Melendez oh yes, and how it is ClaytonRob Rosner SU 6 & 7 are basically the same. 7 has dynamic

components and improved line drawing. It will find all intersections.

Dinorah M. Melendez thanks for the answer : )Benjamin Boyd Has anyone been using Sketchup plugins like Podium for

renderings? As for what ive seen between v6 and v7 the components library is completely redone to integrate 3D warehouse online. The also made some of the icons blue…other than that you got new

Benjamin Boyd you got me* 10:05Lindie any really good CAD programmes for mac besides

ArchiCAD? Since I can't use AutoCAD…frustrating…Brad Moulton I am currently working through his book, is he on here?...

Ben - thanksRob Rosner I use plugins a lotDinorah M. Melendez Thanks, Eric, I would bring mine so is there any specific

time for your training?Eric Gilbey Vectorworks works on the mac, and Landmark is landscape

specificLaura Powell Vectorworks for macs 10:06Lindie ok cool. I'll have a look.Jonathon Hall I use VW landmark for PC and its greatEric Gilbey please email me and we can schedule you in…would be

best…if you come without scheduling, you can still participate but it might turn into standing room only : )

Dinorah M. Melendez Clayton…did you figure out easy how to install LandFX? 10:07Benjamin Boyd Rob - what kind of plugins? Podium is for making more

realistic renderings, but I know there are other alternative out there.

Clayton Munson Dinorah, I love LandFX. Speeds the design process up a lotBrad Moulton D- we also use LandFX. It takes a bit of time to get into

but is a great add on to CAD. Planting calcs are great. They also have good customer service. You can call them or post to their website and get help very fast…



Andrew Spiering This is one of the best chats we've had!Clayton Munson are you trying to install to a network or just for your

personal useJonathon Hall However if you do buy VW landmark make sure you get it

with renderworks as well10:08

Dinorah M. Melendez Lindie, I use Cad in my Mac. I have a virtual Pc, bu tknow with the new Macs, you have the bootcamp that allows to run a PC within a Mac

Rob Rosner Kerkythea 10:08Emily Krohe landfx just seemed smart. Its' easy, makes sense, huge

time saver! And it will do things you never knew a program could do!

Andrew Spiering they have really good tech support, as well. 10:09Andrew Spiering that goes a long way!Dinorah M. Melendez Clayton, for my personal computer, I have a Mac with

virtual PC, but I even thought to buy a PC just to be able to install that program easier

Clayton Munson It's amazing for planting. I haven't even gotten into the irrigation side of it.

Andrew Spiering Clay, agreed!Brad Moulton I find the details portion of landfx complicated, anyone have

luck with that? I find I am faster using my custom details10:10

Lindie ye, Dinorah. I did do the whole virtual PC thing with Mac but I find it to be such a mission. . Sad times : |

Laura Powell Dinorah, do you use auto cad or archicad because archicad works great for macs

10:11

Emily Krohe oo I remember the details to be a bit difficult. Landfx had a tutorial once on them - but still a bit confusing

Laura Powell Landfx doesn't work with macsDinorah M. Melendez sorry Lindie, I have not had any trouble with archtiectural

or landscape projectsDinorah M. Melendez I use autocadLindie : ) ok no probs.Clayton Munson I'm not sure how the whole virtual PC works. I would go to

their website and ask. They usually respond same day. Post your questions somewhere on the community page -http://www.landfx.com/community

Rob Rosner How about plant databases? What do y'all use? 10:12Eric Gilbey Vectorworks Landmark has one built inClayton Munson LandFX as well.Dinorah M. Melendez yes, I got in touch with support from LandFX and they sent

me a version for MAC, but they also told me it had some tricks that you should be patient to work with in order to install it

Rob Rosner Can you generate cut sheets to show your client?Andrew Spiering Brad, details was my biggest issue with LFX, as well…



Laura Powell Onyx Tree has very realistic detailed plants but, you have to make them

10:13

Clayton Munson How do those of you using LandFX feel about Hunter opting out of the irrigation portion?

Eric Gilbey VW has them and you can use or add photos to them, and your own special notes

Lindie anyone doing urban design here?Andrew Spiering Didn't hear about that…Victoria Solis Pauwels me!Rob Rosner Urban design? Absolutely.Laura Powell Oh landfx has a mac program? I emailed them but they

never got back to me. I didn't like thatBrad Moulton we have one irrigation designer that loves LandFX. 10:14Dinorah M. Melendez I got afraid from Archicad while doing my bachelor in

Archtiecture, it seems at that time so overwhelmingcary bush anyone other than vw producing plant data base?Rob Rosner What about Horticopia?Andrew Spiering Plant Master is another by GardenSoft…Rob Rosner Do you have a link?Lindie cool. How long for now? Because im a student, who is

actually studying town planning…bleh. And just started with an urban design firm. If I had to do town planning my whole life I think I would die : )

10:15

Dinorah M. Melendez yes the data base was what mostly caught my attention, I am sure it saes a lot of time in that term

Rob Rosner You're missing the fun part.Clayton Munson yeah they sent out a e news letter not too long ago

explaining that because of the time required to customize the irrigation blocks for each company they were going to start charging a fee. Which was less than a single license.

cary bush any luck with either horticopia or gardensoft?Clayton Munson Hunter didn’t feel like paying it so they opted out.Dinorah M. Melendez what details are you referring on? Details in general? 10:16cary bush makes sense claytonClayton Munson up utnil this point they didn't charge the companies

anything to include their productsAndrew Spiering Cary, I ended up dropping both and having our IT lady

design our own version…Les Ballard I think people are going to learn what their employing

studio use and this will develop loyalty, if only on a devil you know basis, when the person want to set up on their own. Alternatively, folk will use what they can get for nothing if alone.

Andrew Spiering http://www.gardensoft.comRob Rosner Thanks AndrewDinorah M. Melendez well, they took a while to answer me, like a week and a

half, but they were very helpful Laura. You should try again



cary bush good call andrew. how about compatibility with wucolsII? 10:18Dinorah M. Melendez I do not use Rhino, but supposedly that program is used a

lotDinorah M. Melendez and I think also has a plant data baseLaura Powell Deb, do you have to use LFX online.cary bush I heard tha CAD add-on is an option for a plant database?

is it an option?10:19

Les Ballard Being able to buy something, I will be happy to receive a recommendation from the experience of you all but it would be nice to have a facility to make to-scale icons representing unique sub designs. I dont know if any prog has that facility though.

Jonathan Hall I use VW landmark with a tablet. Its great for getting that hand drawn effect for symbols that domestic clients like the look of

Les Ballard oooh tks 10:20Eric Gilbey VW will do symbols, les as you describe, or design layer

viewports that can act as in file references, or you can do the external ones as well

10:21

Laura Powell I love cad for plans but would love to incorporate the handrawn look to them

Brad Moulton i am about to takel Tal's chapter on terrain for SU. anyone have good results on terrain modeling in SU?

cary bush laura... try cad's free impression add onLes Ballard ok so can anyone improve on the vw landmark and tablet

suggestion?10:22

Andrew Spiering I followed a tutorial from LAM but it didn't turn out great. I look forward to getting Daniel's book, so I can master it…http://astore.amazon.com/land8-20/detail/04703525X

Eric Gilbey VW's ability to do sketch rendering can also be married with other artistic rendering styles too...including light/shadow effects and opacity and reflectivity effects

Les Ballard will be dead before i can master anything - i want to cheat - lol

Laura Powell Maxon for macs is great for modeling terrain 10:23Brad Moulton Andrew- Iam through chapter 9 and it is a great book.Andrew Spiering link?Andrew Spiering Brad, that is good to know. Keep me posted...Drew Matthew Maifeld Has anyone else tried using Auto Desk's rendering software -

called IMPRESSIONSRob Rosner I have.Rob Rosner Pretty nice.Les Ballard yes thats a problem isnt it - need sketches normally to give

an idea of terrain - other folk dont know a contour line from an elephant

10:24

Dinorah M. Melendez is Maxon compatible with Cad?



Laura Powell Eric,What rendering program does vw suggest to use with there program and macs

Drew Matthew Maifeld I'll try to get a link up here to share some of the images I did from applying pencil like lines to Autocad lines

Drew Matthew Maifeld I was very happy with the concepts but the rendering quality needed improvement

Brad Moulton A- it his process that is a time saver, not starting from "where do I go from here" all the time

Jonathan Hall Laura - renderworks is built in with VW 10:25

Dinorah M. Melendez I used Autodesk long time a go for rendering and it was good at that time

Eric Gilbey Vw offers a module called Renderworks that works together with Landmark and you do not have to go from one program to another. It also enables solar animation for 3D designed work to test your designs

10:26

Kimmerjae Johnson Here's a tangent - for sculptural elements - a program called Lamina Design can do CNC - capable translations of SketchUp or Rhino models

Jonathan Hall Laura - however I also use Piranesi which is great. Use the VW 3d model and crete whatever effect you want

Laura Powell Dinorah, I use it with Archicad 10:27Dinorah M. Melendez ohhBrian Lin I'd love to have a session where we can visually compare all

rendering software side-by-side and learn the process for each approach.

Eric Gilbey Others have taken Vw work into Cinema 4D...pretty awesome, too.

Les Ballard so is this vw cost effective and can land 8 get it for us at a considerable discount?

Andrew Spiering Brian, I will get right on that!Kimmerjae Johnson Brian -yes!Les Ballard yes brian good ideaLaura Powell Built in is always great. I hate having to buy all the other

componant softwares to go with everything. I want a software that is all in one

Dinorah M. Melendez Laura, how do you think would the be the transition of working from Autocad to Archicad? it is very different?

Jonathan Hall Les - its cheaper in US than UK ! 10:28Laura Powell Brian, that sounds like a wonderful ideaLes Ballard i believe you - thats ok i have a debit card - lolLaura Powell Oh that's it Cinema 4D. I saw unbelievable renderings with

bothEric Gilbey VW Landmark with Renderworks is 2195, we do offer

promotions so we can see how that can work...possibly through L8L, or throug ASLA, or through our sales reps...we can see how that works.



Andrew Spiering Well folks... it is time for me to head out. This has been an awesome chat discussion!

Jonathan Hall Given Eric's pricing maybe its about the same price nowDinorah M. Melendez Thanks Andrew see you @ ASLA!!Andrew Spiering I will work on getting the transcripts together for download

here - 10:30

http://www.land8lounge.com/page/chat-transcriptsLes Ballard thats lst 1372 plus exchange costs - thats a lotJonathan Hall Les you may get a deal before VW 2010 comes out soon.

No doubt it will increase once VW 2010 is in full flowcary bush thanks andrew

Laura Powell Archicad is so much easier. Once you know how to work with the perimeter windows, you can draw a line and it makes the 3d wall

Andrew Spiering They cost $1.99 to download. Treat it like a donation. It all goes to help support our efforts here at Land8. Thanks!

Dinorah M. Melendez There would be a conference at the ASLA about digitally remastered, where I think would be presenting some programs for us

Dinorah M. Melendez maybe it would be worthwhile to assist if you are planning to be in Chicago

10:31

Les Ballard yes ok jon - but if several round world want it surely land8 can do a deal for us?

Eric Gilbey Do stop by booth 1225 to see VW demonstrated and the free training at the learning lab 1.

Andrew Spiering See you all in Chicago!Dinorah M. Melendez yes, I remember somenthing like that, lauraJonathan Hall You need a uk specific VW landmark though 10:32Les Ballard why our trees are green too - lolJonathan Hall all this rain !Les Ballard oh you mean cos of metric? okEric Gilbey For UK, we have a distributor there who would manage

pricing, unless you were in US buying your license.Les Ballard ok will google and prevaricate before plumping - thanks 10:33Jonathan Hall les there is a VW landmark conference on 1st oct in

Newbury. See Tamsin who is a member on Land8 email her for more info

Dinorah M. Melendez Thanks Laura, I am now intrigued by Archicad once again. it is compatibe with Cad files?

Eric Gilbey I must bug out also...please email me with other questions [email protected] see you in Chicago.

Les Ballard tks jonathan 10:34Andrew Spiering Be sure to come back next week for another Chat

Discussion... See you then!Dinorah M. Melendez Thanks EricLes Ballard oh no not again! LOL 10:35Les Ballard tks all nice to see you are al real and not land8 bots 10:36



Laura Powell Yes, you can transfer files into Autocad files if that's what you mean.

Laura Powell Thanks ericLaura Powell Another good topic would be irrigation 10:37Les Ballard I do a rain dance for $500Jonathan Hall Laura - move to the UK no need here !Les Ballard jonathan thats disingenuous yesterday was first rain since

noah was a boy10:38

Jonathan Hall guess you are on the east side of uk then ?Les Ballard well a while anyway - told myself a million times not to

exaggerate10:39

Dinorah M. Melendez thanks Laura and take care

Les Ballard yes jonathanLes Ballard sunny southend on seaJonathan Hall parts of essex drier than the sahara desert - fact ! 10:40Les Ballard i believe it and its funny how all over south folk are

gradually moving to cordilines, gravel, those new frost proof banana plants and so on

10:41

Jonathan Hall I must go the cleaner is about to kick my out of my office = see you all again

Les Ballard bye tcAndrew Spiering See you next week!Les Ballard bye all 10:42Les Ballard thanks andrew very usefulVictoria Solis Pauwels bye all! 10:44Victoria Solis Pauwels yes, thanks andrew! 10:45Drew Matthew Maifeld For anyone still around, I've uploaded some renderings that

I used "Autodesk Impressions" for... They are in my photos on my land8lounge profile - -

11:19

http://www.land8lounge.com/photo/albums/autodesk-impressions

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