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Channel Compliance to Proposed:Test Cards – Part III
Joel Goergen – Force10 [email protected]
Subject : IEEE 802.3ap Backplane EthernetAbstract : This presentation documents a connector-less test card that will validate the informative channel mask discussed in the 802.3ap channel ad-hoc meetings.
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Outline
Test Card Block Diagram.Review Stack Details.Review Gerber Layers.Summary of Fabrication.Review SDD21, SDD11, SDD22.Review NEXT/FEXT.
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Test Card Outline – 2 connectors
SMA
ConnHole
ConnHole
ConnHole
ConnHole
SMAHS8
HS1
HS8
SMA SMA
HS1 HS7HS7/HS6
Aggressor
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Test Card Outline – 3 connectors
SMA
ConnHole
ConnHole
ConnHole
ConnHole
ConnHole
SMAHS1
HS8
HS1
HS8
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Channel Lengths
# LYRConn HS1 HS1 HS8 HS1 Total
2 CH1 4 3 4 112 CH2 7 3 7 172 CH3 10 3 10 233 CH4 3 3 3 7 163 CH5 5 5 3 10 23
2 CH6 4 10 4 182 CH7 7 10 7 242 CH8 10 10 10 303 CH9 3 3 10 7 233 CH10 5 5 10 10 30
2 CH11 4 15 4 232 CH12 7 15 7 292 CH13 10 15 10 353 CH14 3 3 15 7 283 CH15 5 5 15 10 35
2 CH16 4 20 4 282 CH17 7 20 7 342 CH18 10 20 10 403 CH19 3 3 20 7 333 CH20 5 5 20 10 40
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Channel Lengths - Aggressors
# LYRConn HS6 HS6 Total
2 CH2-0 ~2 HS1 ~2 82 CH2-1 ~5 HS5 ~5 162 CH2-2 ~5 HS5 ~5 142 CH2-3 ~5 HS1 ~5 16
2 CH7-0 ~2 HS1 ~2 152 CH7-1 ~2 HS5 ~5 182 CH7-2 ~2 HS5 ~5 182 CH7-3 ~2 HS1 ~5 21
2 CH12-0 ~3 HS1 ~3 192 CH12-1 ~3 HS5 ~3 182 CH12-2 ~3 HS5 ~3 192 CH12-3 ~3 HS1 ~3 21
2 CH17-0 ~3 HS1 ~3 242 CH17-1 ~3 HS5 ~3 182 CH17-2 ~3 HS5 ~3 192 CH17-3 ~3 HS1 ~3 26
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Geometries
The original design called for 13.5mil drill VIA, but the aspect ratio forced this to a 16mil drill VIA.SMA SMT pad was designed with ground removed under the pad to reduce impedance mismatch.
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-13 FAB Data:Channel Data OLD CH1 TDR
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-13 FAB Data:Channel Data NEW CH1 TDR
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-13 FAB Data:Channel Data OLD CH16 TDR
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-13 FAB Data:Channel Data NEW CH16 TDR
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-13 Stack DetailSpecified Layer Name Layer Resin Material Impedance Geometry Impedance Geometry
Layers Thickness Cross Section Diagram Definition Type Content Type
0.7 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& MaskL01 2.0 &&& Foil & Plating Plating Pads Only
1.3 Pads Only 1 oz. Cu 98ohm+-4 10on10 56ohm+-5 10on106.0 2x1080 rc: 65% N4000-13
L02 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& GND 1 oz. Cu5.5 core 2x1080 rc: 58.4% N4000-13
L03 1.3 &&& HS1 1 oz. Cu 100ohm+-3 6on14 51ohm+-3 6on149.1 1x1080/2x106/1x1080 rc: 65%/75%/65% N4000-13
L04 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& GND 1 oz. Cu5.5 core 2x1080 rc: 58.4% N4000-13
L05 1.3 &&& HS2 1 oz. Cu 100ohm+-3 6on14 51ohm+-3 6on149.1 1x1080/2x106/1x1080 rc: 65%/75%/65% N4000-13
L06 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& GND 1 oz. Cu5.5 core 2x1080 rc: 58.4% N4000-13
L07 1.3 &&& HS3 1 oz. Cu 100ohm+-3 6on14 51ohm+-3 6on149.1 1x1080/2x106/1x1080 rc: 65%/75%/65% N4000-13
L08 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& GND 1 oz. Cu5.5 core 2x1080 rc: 58.4% N4000-13
L09 1.3 &&& HS4 1 oz. Cu 100ohm+-3 6on14 51ohm+-3 6on149.1 1x1080/2x106/1x1080 rc: 65%/75%/65% N4000-13
L10 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& GND 1 oz. Cu5.5 core 2x1080 rc: 58.4% N4000-13
L11 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Plane 1 oz. Cu10.1 1x1080/2x106/1x1080 rc: 65%/75%/65% N4000-13
L12 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Plane 1 oz. Cu5.5 core 2x1080 rc: 58.4% N4000-13
L13 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Plane 1 oz. Cu10.1 1x1080/2x106/1x1080 rc: 65%/75%/65% N4000-13
L14 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Plane 1 oz. Cu5.5 core 2x1080 rc: 58.4% N4000-13
L15 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& GND 1 oz. Cu9.1 1x1080/2x106/1x1080 rc: 65%/75%/65% N4000-13
L16 1.3 &&& HS5 1 oz. Cu 100ohm+-3 6on14 51ohm+-3 6on145.5 core 2x1080 rc: 58.4% N4000-13
L17 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& GND 1 oz. Cu9.1 1x1080/2x106/1x1080 rc: 65%/75%/65% N4000-13
L18 1.3 &&& HS6 1 oz. Cu 100ohm+-3 6on14 51ohm+-3 6on145.5 core 2x1080 rc: 58.4% N4000-13
L19 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& GND 1 oz. Cu9.1 1x1080/2x106/1x1080 rc: 65%/75%/65% N4000-13
L20 1.3 &&& HS7 1 oz. Cu 100ohm+-3 6on14 51ohm+-3 6on145.5 core 2x1080 rc: 58.4% N4000-13
L21 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& GND 1 oz. Cu9.1 1x1080/2x106/1x1080 rc: 65%/75%/65% N4000-13
L22 1.3 &&& HS8 1 oz. Cu 100ohm+-3 6on14 51ohm+-3 6on145.5 core 2x1080 rc: 58.4% N4000-13
L23 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& GND 1 oz. Cu6.0 2x1080 rc: 65% N4000-131.3 Pads Only 1 oz. Cu 98ohm+-4 10on10 56ohm+-5 10on10
L24 2.0 &&& Foil & Plating Plating Pads Only0.7 ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( Mask
Total: 202.1 Est. Finish Thickness Over Plating & Mask200.7 Est. Finish After Copper Plating194.1 Est. Finish Thickness Dielectric
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Gerber Files
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-13 FAB DataCompany: Force10 Networks Board Name: Test Back Plane - Scorpion King Grain Direction: in the 24inchContact: Joel Goergen Detail by Joel GoergenSpecified Layer Name Real Hole Impedance Geometry Impedance Geometry
Layers Thickness Cross Section Diagram Definition Data Wall
0.7 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& MaskL01 2.0 &&& Foil & Plating 2.0 Pads Only
1.3 Pads Only 1.26.0 6.0 1.44
L02 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& GND 1.25.5 5.2
L03 1.3 &&& HS1 1.2 102 +/- 1.5ohms 6on14 53.4 +/- 2ohms 6on149.1 9.6
L04 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& GND 1.25.5 5.3
L05 1.3 &&& HS2 1.29.1 8.8
L06 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& GND 1.25.5 5.3
L07 1.3 &&& HS3 1.29.1 9.9
L08 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& GND 1.25.5 5.4
L09 1.3 &&& HS4 1.29.1 9.0
L10 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& GND 1.25.5 5.4
L11 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Plane 1.210.1 10.1
L12 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Plane 1.25.5 5.4 1.37
L13 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Plane 1.210.1 9.7
L14 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Plane 1.25.5 5.3
L15 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& GND 1.29.1 8.8
L16 1.3 &&& HS5 1.25.5 5.1
L17 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& GND 1.29.1 9.1
L18 1.3 &&& HS6 1.25.5 5.2
L19 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& GND 1.29.1 8.7
L20 1.3 &&& HS7 1.2 102 +/- 1.5ohms 6on14 53.4 +/- 2ohms 6on145.5 5.4
L21 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& GND 1.29.1 8.9
L22 1.3 &&& HS8 1.2 102 +/- 1.5ohms 6on14 53.4 +/- 2ohms 6on145.5 5.3
L23 1.3 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& GND 1.26.0 6.0 1.441.3 Pads Only 1.2
L24 2.0 &&& Foil & Plating 2.0 Pads Only0.7 ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( Mask
Total: 202.1 Est. Finish Thickness Over Plating & Mask 195.7 Real Finish Thickness Over Plating & Mask
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Channel Data CH1SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH1_4_3_4in N4000-13
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Channel Data CH2SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH2_7_3_7in N4000-13
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Channel Data CH3SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH3_10_3_10in N4000-13
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Channel Data CH4SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH4_3_3_3_7in N4000-13
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Channel Data CH5SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH5_5_5_3_10in N4000-13
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Channel Data CH6SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH6_4_10_4in N4000-13
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Channel Data CH7SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH7_7_10_7in N4000-13
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Channel Data CH8SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH8_10_10_10in N4000-13
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Channel Data CH9SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH9_3_3_10_7in N4000-13
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Channel Data CH10SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH10_5_5_10_10in N4000-13
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Channel Data CH11SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH11_4_15_4in N4000-13
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Channel Data CH12SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH12_7_15_7in N4000-13
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Channel Data CH13SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH13_10_15_10in N4000-13
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15000
Freq in MHZ
dB
SDD21SDD11JA SDD11Old adhoc SDD21Ad-hoc SDD11New adhoc SDD21SDD22
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
Channel Data CH14SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH14_3_3_15_7in N4000-13
-75-70-65-60-55-50-45-40-35-30-25-20-15-10
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Freq in MHZ
dB
SDD21SDD11JA SDD11Old adhoc SDD21Ad-hoc SDD11New adhoc SDD21SDD22
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
Channel Data CH15SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH15_5_5_15_10in N4000-13
-75-70-65-60-55-50-45-40-35-30-25-20-15-10
-50
0 1000
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7000
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13000
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Freq in MHZ
dB
SDD21SDD11JA SDD11Old adhoc SDD21Ad-hoc SDD11New adhoc SDD21SDD22
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
Channel Data CH16SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH16_4_20_4in N4000-13
-75-70-65-60-55-50-45-40-35-30-25-20-15-10
-50
0 1000
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7000
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9000
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13000
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Freq in MHZ
dB
SDD21SDD11JA SDD11Old adhoc SDD21Ad-hoc SDD11New adhoc SDD21SDD22
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
Channel Data CH17SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH17_7_20_7in N4000-13
-75-70-65-60-55-50-45-40-35-30-25-20-15-10
-50
0 1000
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5000
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7000
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9000
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11000
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13000
14000
15000
Freq in MHZ
dB
SDD21SDD11JA SDD11Old adhoc SDD21Ad-hoc SDD11New adhoc SDD21SDD22
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
Channel Data CH18SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH18_10_20_10in N4000-13
-75-70-65-60-55-50-45-40-35-30-25-20-15-10
-50
0 1000
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5000
6000
7000
8000
9000
10000
11000
12000
13000
14000
15000
Freq in MHZ
dB
SDD21SDD11JA SDD11Old adhoc SDD21Ad-hoc SDD11New adhoc SDD21SDD22
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
Channel Data CH19SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH19_3_3_20_7in N4000-13
-75-70-65-60-55-50-45-40-35-30-25-20-15-10
-50
0 1000
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5000
6000
7000
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9000
10000
11000
12000
13000
14000
15000
Freq in MHZ
dB
SDD21SDD11JA SDD11Old adhoc SDD21Ad-hoc SDD11New adhoc SDD21SDD22
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
Channel Data CH20SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH20_5_5_20_10in N4000-13
-75-70-65-60-55-50-45-40-35-30-25-20-15-10
-50
0 1000
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4000
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6000
7000
8000
9000
10000
11000
12000
13000
14000
15000
Freq in MHZ
dB
SDD21SDD11JA SDD11Old adhoc SDD21Ad-hoc SDD11New adhoc SDD21SDD22
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
Channel Data CH2 AGGR0SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH2 AGGR0 N4000-13
-75-70-65-60-55-50-45-40-35-30-25-20-15-10
-50
0 1000
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7000
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9000
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11000
12000
13000
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Freq in MHZ
dB
SDD21SDD11JA SDD11Old adhoc SDD21Ad-hoc SDD11New adhoc SDD21SDD22
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
Channel Data CH2 AGGR1SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH2 AGGR1 N4000-13
-75-70-65-60-55-50-45-40-35-30-25-20-15-10
-50
0 1000
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7000
8000
9000
10000
11000
12000
13000
14000
15000
Freq in MHZ
dB
SDD21SDD11JA SDD11Old adhoc SDD21Ad-hoc SDD11New adhoc SDD21SDD22
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
Channel Data CH2 AGGR2SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH2 AGGR2 N4000-13
-75-70-65-60-55-50-45-40-35-30-25-20-15-10
-50
0 1000
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4000
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6000
7000
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9000
10000
11000
12000
13000
14000
15000
Freq in MHZ
dB
SDD21SDD11JA SDD11Old adhoc SDD21Ad-hoc SDD11New adhoc SDD21SDD22
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
Channel Data CH2 AGGR3SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH2 AGGR3 N4000-13
-75-70-65-60-55-50-45-40-35-30-25-20-15-10
-50
0 1000
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7000
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9000
10000
11000
12000
13000
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Freq in MHZ
dB
SDD21SDD11JA SDD11Old adhoc SDD21Ad-hoc SDD11New adhoc SDD21SDD22
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
Channel Data CH7 AGGR0SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH7 AGGR0 N4000-13
-75-70-65-60-55-50-45-40-35-30-25-20-15-10
-50
0 1000
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7000
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9000
10000
11000
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13000
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Freq in MHZ
dB
SDD21SDD11JA SDD11Old adhoc SDD21Ad-hoc SDD11New adhoc SDD21SDD22
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
Channel Data CH7 AGGR1SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH7 AGGR1 N4000-13
-75-70-65-60-55-50-45-40-35-30-25-20-15-10
-50
0 1000
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7000
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9000
10000
11000
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13000
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Freq in MHZ
dB
SDD21SDD11JA SDD11Old adhoc SDD21Ad-hoc SDD11New adhoc SDD21SDD22
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
Channel Data CH7 AGGR2SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH7 AGGR2 N4000-13
-75-70-65-60-55-50-45-40-35-30-25-20-15-10
-50
0 1000
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9000
10000
11000
12000
13000
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Freq in MHZ
dB
SDD21SDD11JA SDD11Old adhoc SDD21Ad-hoc SDD11New adhoc SDD21SDD22
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
Channel Data CH7 AGGR3SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH7 AGGR3 N4000-13
-75-70-65-60-55-50-45-40-35-30-25-20-15-10
-50
0 1000
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6000
7000
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9000
10000
11000
12000
13000
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15000
Freq in MHZ
dB
SDD21SDD11JA SDD11Old adhoc SDD21Ad-hoc SDD11New adhoc SDD21SDD22
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
Channel Data CH12 AGGR0SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH12 AGGR0 N4000-13
-75-70-65-60-55-50-45-40-35-30-25-20-15-10
-50
0 1000
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7000
8000
9000
10000
11000
12000
13000
14000
15000
Freq in MHZ
dB
SDD21SDD11JA SDD11Old adhoc SDD21Ad-hoc SDD11New adhoc SDD21SDD22
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
Channel Data CH12 AGGR1SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH12 AGGR1 N4000-13
-75-70-65-60-55-50-45-40-35-30-25-20-15-10
-50
0 1000
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6000
7000
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9000
10000
11000
12000
13000
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15000
Freq in MHZ
dB
SDD21SDD11JA SDD11Old adhoc SDD21Ad-hoc SDD11New adhoc SDD21SDD22
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
Channel Data CH12 AGGR2SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH12 AGGR2 N4000-13
-75-70-65-60-55-50-45-40-35-30-25-20-15-10
-50
0 1000
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7000
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9000
10000
11000
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13000
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15000
Freq in MHZ
dB
SDD21SDD11JA SDD11Old adhoc SDD21Ad-hoc SDD11New adhoc SDD21SDD22
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
Channel Data CH12 AGGR3SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH12 AGGR3 N4000-13
-75-70-65-60-55-50-45-40-35-30-25-20-15-10
-50
0 1000
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7000
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9000
10000
11000
12000
13000
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Freq in MHZ
dB
SDD21SDD11JA SDD11Old adhoc SDD21Ad-hoc SDD11New adhoc SDD21SDD22
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
Channel Data CH17 AGGR0SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH17 AGGR0 N4000-13
-75-70-65-60-55-50-45-40-35-30-25-20-15-10
-50
0 1000
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9000
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11000
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13000
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Freq in MHZ
dB
SDD21SDD11JA SDD11Old adhoc SDD21Ad-hoc SDD11New adhoc SDD21SDD22
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
Channel Data CH17 AGGR1SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH17 AGGR1 N4000-13
-75-70-65-60-55-50-45-40-35-30-25-20-15-10
-50
0 1000
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11000
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Freq in MHZ
dB
SDD21SDD11JA SDD11Old adhoc SDD21Ad-hoc SDD11New adhoc SDD21SDD22
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
Channel Data CH17 AGGR2SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH17 AGGR2 N4000-13
-75-70-65-60-55-50-45-40-35-30-25-20-15-10
-50
0 1000
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9000
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11000
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13000
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Freq in MHZ
dB
SDD21SDD11JA SDD11Old adhoc SDD21Ad-hoc SDD11New adhoc SDD21SDD22
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
Channel Data CH17 AGGR3SDD21 SDD11 SDD22 CH17 AGGR3 N4000-13
-75-70-65-60-55-50-45-40-35-30-25-20-15-10
-50
0 1000
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11000
12000
13000
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Freq in MHZ
dB
SDD21SDD11JA SDD11Old adhoc SDD21Ad-hoc SDD11New adhoc SDD21SDD22
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
Cross Talk
The limit lines are multi-aggressor.Data shown is multi-aggressor.
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
NEXT CH2CH2 MDNEXT
-60
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0
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Freq in MHZ
dB
MDNEXTprop MDNEXTAH MDNEXT
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
NEXT CH7CH7 MDNEXT
-60
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0
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dB
MDNEXTprop MDNEXTAH MDNEXT
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
NEXT CH12CH12 MDNEXT
-60
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0
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Freq in MHZ
dB
MDNEXTprop MDNEXTAH MDNEXT
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
NEXT CH17CH17 MDNEXT
-60
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0
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Freq in MHZ
dB
MDNEXTprop MDNEXTAH MDNEXT
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
FEXT CH2CH2 MDFEXT
-70
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0
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Freq in MHZ
dB
MDFEXTprop MDFEXTAH MDFEXT
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27 September 2004 5:41 AM
FEXT CH7CH7 MDFEXT
-70
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0
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Freq in MHZ
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MDFEXTprop MDFEXTAH MDFEXT
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Thoughts …
Refine channel parameters.Refine SMA launch characteristics. Use data to model accurately informative TP5.Define SDD11/SDD22 at higher limit for shorter daughter card and back plane channels. Or dictate minimum trace length. Note that two or more short lengths in a row contribute to a higher SDD11.Define maximum stub length.