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From: "Vlad" Date: Fri Aug 6, 200412:21 pm Subject: Re: Ormes & Gold ormagus Offline Send EmailSee attached file for more explanations on red gold. Idon't remember where I downloaded it from; I think itwas somewhere on one of the ormus servers but it'

easier to attach the file than look up the link. Hi folks, With Jerel's permission I amreposting almost all of his posts toTheWork starting Nov. 25, 1997 andending Nov. 13, 1998. They offerinsights into his process. Also in thisdocument are some others' posts related

to Jerel's work. Bruce 11-15-98 ***From: [email protected] Date: Tue, 25 Nov1997 22:40:51 -0500 (EST) Subject:Alchemical Gold Hello to all and veryglad to have you here. There areseveral things I would like to discuss


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here and I would like to get all thefeedback I can from you, so please askquestions and set me straight when I

make an error, or if you just disagreetell me that too. First, I would liketo provide a brief summary of how Ihave come to study AlchemicalProcesses. What I hope to do with thissummary is provide a way of connectingthe Ancient Art to our more currentthinking. Alchemy is not a new thing

for me. I have always had an interestin Alchemy and have practiced the Artin some form since I was 9 years old.Most of this has been under the namesof Chemistry and Physics, as these arewhat we now call the soulless forms ofthe Art. I have come back to the Art

this time in an attempt the expand onthe work of Penrose (a physicist) andHameroff (an anesthesiologist). Much ofwhat I have been pursuing can be foundin Penroses book, Shadows of the Mind.Penrose has been seeking a better wayto explain the fantastic computationalpower of the brain and Hameroff has

been seeking the source ofconsciousness. The two heard of eachother and got together to find thatthey both sought a common structure,the microtubule. Penrose sought a


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structure in the brain that hadnanometer dimensions because such astructure would be necessary to support

quantum effects. Hameroff sought thestructure responsible forconsciousness. They agreed that themicrotubules would provide for both.Mictotubules are tiny tubularstructures within neurons that are madefrom two forms of tubulin. The twoforms can be switched by tiny electric

currents, so Penrose has proposed thatthe tubulin units may be the on/offswitches for the brains dataprocessing. I agree with this proposalbecause it allows us to be what we areby increasing our potential processingrate from from an unacceptable 10 Exp11

operations per second (OPS) to areasonably acceptable 10 Exp24 OPS.Penrose explains all this quite welland I recommend him to all who wouldlike to have a deeper understanding ofour minds. Hameroff has done a lot ofresearch into how consciousness worksand he has concluded that the

microtubules are the source of ourconsciousness. This is discussed in andsupported by Penroses work. Hameroffhas concluded that the observablequantum effects that occur in human


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brains are caused by highly alignedwater that is inside the microtubules.Penrose agrees with this concept and

further argues that Bose- EinsteinCondensations (BCEs) in the neurons arehow we reach decisions. The BCEs arepossible because the water inside themicrotubules can be strongly aligned toform a high- temperaturesuperconductive medium. This conceptsupports my thinking very well. BCEs

provide an explaination for all theeffects I refer to as psionics. Theseeffects include: telepathy, remoteviewing, bilocation, telekinesis, andastral travel. A BCE in the Broca areaof the brain would allow thoughts toexist inside the brain and outside the

head at the same time. This can explainboth telepathy and how it iscontrolled. Likewise, a BCE in thevisual processing areas would explainremote viewing. Since microtubulesexist in all neurons and neurons extendinto all parts of the body, a BCEincluding all neurons would allow the

body to exist in two (or more) placesat the same time, thus explainingbilocation. With this discovery, allpsionics can be explained in modernphysical terms. This opens the whole


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field of psionics to persons likemyself who have had so much technicaltraining that it is impossible to

accept psionics. This discovery meansthat all the formal training Ive hadin Chemistry, Math, and Physics stillapplies and can even help explainpsionics. For me, it is good to knowthat all these topics can existpeacefully together. Returning toAlchemy, the materials I have produced

so far by electrochemistry are diatomicgold, diatomic silver, and acombination of the two which isreferred to as a conjoined material.The diatomic gold I refer to is Au-triple bond-Au and the diatomic silveris Ag-triple bond-Ag. These are triple

bond structures with no other atomsattached. They do not exist in modernChemistry, but they are suspected. Notethat these are pure gold and puresilver in an arrangement that is notmetallic. These diatomic forms (and afew others) were actually consideredelements in Egyptian Alchemy. I know

that the diatomics exist and that Ihave made them because by using thediatomic gold, I occasionally haveaccess to a facility referred to as thethird eye. With this instrument


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(which can also be explained in quantummechanical terms), I am actually ableto see the materials at their atomic

level. This is all I need, but itdoesnt help others much unless theyalso have third eye access.Fortunately, there is other evidence.The best physical support for theexistence of diatoms I have seen so faris the fact that diatoms carry nosurface charge. As some of you probably

know, dispersed metal particles in ametal/water colloid always carry asurface charge. This can be shown bythe fact that metal/water colloids aredestabilized by a high or low pH. It isalso shown by the fact that thesuspended metal particles will migrate

to a charged electrode. This is calledelectrophoresis. Both effects arecaused by the fact that electrons inmetals will migrate to the surface of aparticle containing 3 or more metalatoms. The diatomic materials and theconjoined materials do not exhibiteither property. In freshly formed

materials, the suspension will show nochange at any pH from 1 to 12 and thereis no particle migration in an electricfield. Thus, I feel I can safelyconclude that the diatomics have no


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surface charge, which also implies thatthey are no longer metallic. This is asit should be. I am convinced by both

scientific and occult testing thatAlchemical Gold and Alchemical Silverare formed of diatoms of gold anddiatoms of silver. In producing thesediatomic forms, I have destroyed themetals by stopping the flow ofelectrons (alchemical water) withinthem. Artephius tells us that we must

first destroy the metals in order torecombine them to produce the Elixir.Thus, the electrochemical processfulfills the first Alchemicalrequirement for producing the Elixir.By Artephius, this means the Work istrue and we can proceed by this method

to obtain the Elixir. Now let mediscuss why these diatomic forms arerequired for refining and perfectingthe Body and the Spirit. Artephiustells us that our Bodies are acrystallization of the Soul and thatthe principle which holds thiscrystallization together is the Spirit.

These are the three major elements inthe Human Form: the Body, the Spirit,and the Soul. Artephius further saysthat to perfect the body and increaseour life-span, we must closely


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integrate the Spirit into the Body andthe Soul into the Spirit. If thisprocess is done carefully and

completely, then the Soul becomes theSpirit and the Spirit becomes the Body.When this is done, we may live 1000years or more because the Spirit cannotbe easily separated from the Soul andthe Body and it is due to thisseparation that we die. My researchthus far has led me to conclude that

the Spirit Artephius speaks of is theenergy that flows through our bodiesvia our nervous systems. This is a realenergy and if it is disrupted, the Bodywill die. I have further concluded thatthis flow occurs primarily through themicrotubules by means of the

superconducting water within them.Understanding the flow of the Spiritwithin us is what is taught by allmeditative methods. The microtubulesare so tiny that almost nothing excepta few layers of water can fit insidethem. Anything that can fit inside themmust also be very hydrophilic in order

to circulate within them. Well, golddiatoms, silver diatoms, and conjoinedmaterials do fit inside themicrotubules because they are in the 3to 5 Angstrom size range. In addition,


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both the gold and the silver form verylong, water polymer chains. Thus, afterthese materials do get into the

microtubules, they not only circulatethere, they also dramatically increasethe size of the BCEs that can occurbecause they dramatically increase thelength of water chains that can form.The implications should be fairly clearby now. If we can get sufficientdiatomic gold and diatomic silver (I

believe both are required) into ourmicrotubules, then both our Spiritualenergy flow and the size of BCEs we canproduce will dramatically increase.These will in turn make all psionicspossible. This technology will appearto be magic to those who do not

understand it. We can get diatoms intoour microtubules most quickly byingestion. If you look at how thenerves are arranged in our stomachs,you will understand why this is so. Thematerial is absorbed directly into theabundant nerve endings and travels upthe vagus nerve and into the brain and

down the spine. The vagus junction isan important switch to understand.Thus, many good things are madeavailable, but you should also be awarethat the materials are dangerous for


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the same reasons they are good. Theenergy flows can increase beyond whatthe system can integrate. When this

happens to me, I get very disconnectedfrom my body and I get a lot ofoverheating in my head and my hands. Ibelieve it is easily possible to burnthe Body and dislocate the Spirit withthese materials. This is why I haveurged caution in the use of thesematerials. Those who wish to follow

this path should walk slowly andobserve carefully. I have to go fornow. We are heading East forThanksgiving and I have to get packedtonight. I should be back Sunday. Alltake care and have a good holiday ifyou celebrate this one. Jerel *** Date:

Sat, 29 Nov 1997 23:12:47 -0500 X-Sender: [email protected] HiJerel, I'm thankful for your clearexplanation of some mechanisms thatunderlie consciousness. This whole areais quite fascinating. I did notunderstand several terms in thediscussion, so I looked them up. Below

are some definitions for the group thatmay be helpful: BOSE-EINSTEINCONDENSATE (BEC): "A state of matter inwhich a group of atoms acts as a singlewave with properties analogous to light


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waves from a laser. The atoms in aBose-Einstein condensate are so coldthat their normally miniscule

wavelengths increase to the point atwhich their wavelike properties becomepotentially detectable.." [Source:American Institute of Physics, PhysicsNews,http://www.aip.org/physnews/graphics/atoms/1997/alaserg3/] "Bose-Einsteincondensates comprise a new state of

matter in which gas atoms, [laser]-cooled to near-absolute-zerotemperatures, overlap with each otherand collapse into a single'superparticle.' [Source:http://www.ripn.net/infomag/dbase/B001E/960626-011.txt] BEC's have been formed

of Rubidium atoms, Lithium atoms,Sodium atoms, and trapped alkali atoms.[Source: Georgia Southern UniversityDept. of Physics,http://amo.phy.gasou.edu/bec.html/] "In1924, Albert Einstein and SatyendraNath Bose theorized that atoms could becooled to an extremely low temperature.

At that point, the atoms would condenseto the point where they act as a singleatom. In 1995, a team of scientists ledby Eric Cornell proved the Bose-Einstein theory to be true." [Source:


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http://www.n-polk.k12ia.us/pages/ais97/Quantum/Quantum.html] BEC: "A macroscopic object

that behaves in a purely quantumfashion." [Source:http://physics.colorado.edu/pr.html]BROCA's AREA: In the brain, a left-frontal lobe that allows thoughts to betransformed into words. [Source: Centerfor Molecular Neuroscience, School ofMedicine, Vanderbilt University Medical

College, Nashville TN,http://www.mc.vanderbilt.edu/brainscience/ce//geog.htm/] POLYMER: "Polymersare large molecules consisting ofrepeated chemical units ('mers') joinedtogether, usually in a line, like beadson a string. Each 'mer' is made up of

more than 5 and less than 500 atoms;the word 'polymer' is applied when youhave more than about 50 'mers' stucktogether." "...Polymer liquids [haveapplications] where fluctuations(Brownian motion) and interactions (thesticking together or association ofdifferent types of molecules) can play

a more important role. Many of the mostimportant research problems involvepolymers free to fluctuate about in asmall-molecule solvent [such aswater]." "...Living organisms are


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mainly composed of polymerized aminoacids (proteins), nucleic acids (RNAand DNA), and other biopolymers. The

most powerful computers -- our brains-- are mostly just polymer glorpsoaking in salty water!" [Source:http:.//www.lassp.cornell.edu/marko/polymers.html] POLYMER: "The word Polymercomes from the Greek 'poly' meaningmany, and 'meros,' parts or units. Apolymer is a group of many units. You

combine many monomers (one unit) tocreate a polymer. Polymer is often usedas a synonym for 'plastic,' but manybiological and inorganic molecules arealso polymeric. All plastics arepolymers, but not all polymers areplastics." [Source: Sci.Polymers FAQ,

http://polymers.com/poly-faq.html]VAGUS NERVE: A nerve on the left sideof the neck. "The vagus nerve serves asone of the many highways of informationcarrying messages to and from thebrain. Nerve fibers in the vagus nerverelay information from the body'sorgans (such as the stomach and heart)

to the brain. The vagus nerve has manyconnections to areas in the braininstrumental in producing seizures.""Research in animal models suggestedthat stimulation or electrical


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activation of the vagus nerve candisrupt the abnormal brain activityresponsible for seizures." [Source:

Comprehensive Epilepsy Center, CornellMedical Center,http://neuro.med.cornell.edu/NYH-CMC/ne-vagalns.html] "Epilepticseizures are caused by normally well-organized brain waves becomingcompletely disorganized. It has beensuggested that stimulation of the vagus

nerve may be able to intercept thisabnormal brain activity." [Source: TheNational Society for Epilepsy,http://www.erg.iion.ucl.ac.uk/NSEhome/vns.html] Love and safe journey, BruceBartlett *** From: [email protected] Date:Sun, 30 Nov 1997 22:05:48 -0500 (EST)

Barry, > I think that this document,with a few modifications, would beappropriate > for the regular TheWorkemail list and probably would beappropriate on > Buzz's web page. Idon't think the discussion of theinteraction of the diatomics and themicrotubules is directly applicable to

the WPG and other white powder forms.The reason is that the white powderforms will not fit inside amicrotubule. The microtubules averageabout 15 nm on the inside and we have


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to allow for at least a triple layer ofaligned water for any quantum effectsto occur. Thus, we are left with only 5

to 8 nm to fit things into. Thediatomics and conjoined forms are 3 to5 nm wide, so they just do fit and cancirculate within the microtubules. Ifthe Essene's version of the whitepowder forms is correct (and I believethey are), then they are sodiumcomplexes which would have to be in the

10 to 15 nm size range. This means theycannot fit inside the tubules. Theseforms can attach to the outside of themicrotubules and can cause alignmentwithin the tubules because of theirpresence. I think this is the primarydifference in the functional nature of

Gold Diatoms compared to WPG: thediatoms work inside the microtubules toenhance the formation of aligned water,while WPG works from outside thetubules to cause similar alignments.>Jerel, I have a question aboutsomething you recently mentioned. In a>recent post, you wrote something that

implied that the red gold and the>white silver combination sometimesoccurs in nature. Is this what you>meant or did I misunderstand somethinghere? Could you elaborate on this. I


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didn't find these two diatomic formscombined, but I found them separatelyin Yellowstone Park. I went to

Yellowstone with several objectives inaddition to seeing the enormous beautythere. One of these was to seek the RedGold and White Silver diatomic forms inNature. Artephius clearly indicatesthat these forms do occur in mineralsand that the process takes thousands ofyears. I looked for these at

Yellowstone because all the properingredients are there: gold, silver,iron, sulfides, and very hot volcanicsprings that come from thousands offeet down. I brought back samples ofmaterials that looked like what I hadbeen working with and when I got them

home and made dispersions with them,the Red Gold and White Silver are inthe samples. Red Gold occurs as afraction found in Red Occre depositswhich have formed from volcanic hotsprings. I believe this is the reasonRed Occre has always been thought tohave high spiritual value. Our

ancestors often applied this materialto the dead to ease their spiritualjourneys. It all fits. There must betruth here. Jerel *** From: Jarmax Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997


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23:24:48 EST I don't think thediscussion of the interaction of thediatomics and >>the microtubules is

directly applicable to the WPG andother white >>powder forms. The reasonis that the white powder forms will not>>fit inside a microtubule. Themicrotubules average about 15 nm on>the inside and we have to allow for atleast a triple layer of aligned >waterfor any quantum effects to occur. Thus,

we are left with only >5 to 8 nm to fitthings into. The diatomics andconjoined forms are >3 to 5 nm wide, sothey just do fit and can circulatewithin the >microtubules. If theEssene's version of the white powderforms >is correct (and I believe they

are), then they are sodium complexes>which would have to be in the 10 to 15nm size range. This means >they cannotfit inside the tubules. These forms canattach to the >outside of themicrotubules and can cause alignmentwithin the >tubules because of theirpresence. I think this is the primary

>difference in the functional nature ofGold Diatoms compared to >WPG: thediatoms work inside the microtubules toenhance the >>formation of alignedwater, while WPG works from outside the


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>>tubules to cause similar alignments.>I have given this some thought. Hudsonclaims that when he has isolated >his

materials using the sodium triangle, hethen removes it and the >materialsregister as pure nothing. I think thatthis would mean that the >sodium is nolonger in the mix. >This also makessense in terms of the work that we aredoing. We can trap >a very active formof these materials. This form is not

visible in water >and does notprecipitate out until we add sodium inthe form of lye or TSP. >Jim says thatthe sodium is only used as a box toisolate and purify the >materials. Itseems logical that the dissolved formof these materials may >not be

complexed with sodium in vegetable andwater source materials. If >they werenot complexed with sodium, wouldn'tthey fit inside the >microtubule withroom to spare? If they take the form ofdiatoms, they would fit. However, ifyou have obtained gold diatoms, theywill appear red. >You maintain that the

conjoined Bose-Einstein condensateforms are a sort >of superparticlewhich is larger than an atom butsmaller than a molecule. >In a sensethis is a new way of compounding


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elements. Do you think that >other BECcompounds (than the gold/silver thatyou write of) are possible? >It looks

like there might be an entirely new wayof "compounding" atoms and >an entireset of "new" materials available. Ithink copper can also be put into thediatomic form, but I have just startedto work with this. Many things may bepossible with the Alchemical materials,but they will not be new by any stretch

of imagination. If I can recover theElixir, I'll be quite happy. >The Hindualchemists claim that their Stone ismade from mercury. Is it >possible thatthere is more than one Philosopher'sStone? I think this is incorrect. Atany rate, I won't work with mercury. It

is far too danderous. >I didn't findthese two diatomic forms combined, butI found them >separately in YellowstonePark. I went to Yellowstone withseveral >objectives in addition toseeing the enormous beauty there. One>of these was to seek the Red Gold andWhite Silver diatomic >forms in Nature.

Artephius clearly indicates that theseforms do >occur in minerals and thatthe process takes thousands of years.>I looked for these at Yellowstonebecause all the proper >ingredients are


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there: gold, silver, iron, sulfides,and very hot >volcanic springs thatcome from thousands of feet down. I

>brought back samples of materials thatlooked like what I had >been workingwith and when I got them home and made>dispersions with them, the Red Goldand White Silver are in >the samples.Red Gold occurs as a fraction found inRed >Occre deposits which have formedfrom volcanic hot springs. >I believe

this is the reason Red Occre has alwaysbeen >thought to have high spiritualvalue. Our ancestors often >appliedthis material to the dead to ease theirspiritual >journeys. How would youidentify the two diatomic elementscombined? Do they have a unique color?

Which passage of Artephius indicatesthat these materials are available innature? Artephius emphasizes that weare working with natural substances andin a natural way in several places. Butspecific references to their presencein nature are found in paragraphs 10and 31. Jerel *** X-Sender:

[email protected] Date: Tue, 06Jan 1998 13:49:51 -0800 I would like toget Daniel's results out to the rest ofthe group but two things stand in theway. Daniel is not ready to do this yet


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and Jerel discredits this method as notproducing the same material as hisprocess produces. Here is a note that

Daniel sent me about his correspondencewith Jerel on this subject:____________________________ DearBarry, I think you will probably beinterested in this dialogue i had withJerel about your AuCl (or whatever itis) process and his electrochemicalprocess. I start and then he replies

without italics. I shall send anothere-mail to include my variations on yourprocess. Be Light good man Love andLight daniel dMb9 >Jerel, i want toshare something with you. >Barry hasdevelopped a process for making goldinto something special. I >say that

because we are not sure if it is AuClor Au=Au triple bond Cl >as you havedevised. I just ran it and came up witha solution of finely >supsendedparticles that LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THEWINE THAT I GET when i >run yourprocess. The difference is theconcentration. When this stuff >cools,

the particles coagulate into biggerparticles and yield a >cherry-purplered ppt. This material reflected red,transmitted citrine >and was a deeppurple red. This is very interesting.


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>I want your feedback of course,because i know you feel that only Art's>method can yield what we want. You

should not get ppt. unless you let itstand for over a week. What youdescribe is not what I get at all. Ifthis is what you get by my method, thenyou are not using my process. As Iunderstand Barry's process, he makesAuCl by dissolving gold with peroxideand HCl. I can make this too by using

persulfate as the oxidizer. I could notmake this material evolve and it breaksdown to gold if you heat it. If it isnot heat stable to 600 F, it is notdiatomic gold. Art may of may not havethe only method, but it seems to workfor me. My experience is that

deviations only lead to weeks ofdistress. Take care. JMcInnis *** Date:Fri, 06 Feb 1998 22:56:38 -0600 From:mudd Hello Jereland fellow workers, I am preparing tobegin the work as described byArtephius and would like some advice.My gold should arrive in a few days and

when it does I will form my electrodeswith it. For a power source, I plan onusing three 12 volt rechargeable leadacid batteries. But when it comes downto the actual steps of the process, I


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feel very confused. Do I use NaCl orKNO as the electrolyte? And what is theconcentration, saturated or dilute?

Also what time scale is best to applythe current? My background is intraditional alchemy which I havepracticed for many years. But I admitto never making the connection betweenelectricity and alchemy. Looking at itnow it makes perfect sense. I guess Iassumed that electricity was not used

because it seemed to be a fairly recentdiscovery, even though I read about theancient batteries in "Chariots of theGods" or was it somewhere else? Anyway,I am very happy to have the opportunityto interact with this group. Pleasehelp me to avoid any unnecessary

pitfalls while on this interestingpath. Thanks, Henry *** From:[email protected] Date: Thu, 19 Feb 199821:23:13 EST Subject: Re: Blue Sky In amessage dated 2/17/98, you write: >>How would Artephius describe the flowof electrons >> from his antimony/ironbattery in a world without the concept

of >> electricity. We use water relatedterms to describe electrical "flow" why>> wouldn't Artephius? Electricity canburn, just like fire. Is electricity >>the Secret Fire? > I have given much


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thought and lost a fair amount of sleepconsidering > the traditionaldescriptions of this secret fire. I

have heard of many > things as takingthis role such as aqua regis forexample. But my latest > feeling is asfollows. The old clues suggest that itis a fire that goes > against nature inthat it burns in water. It is foundnearly everywhere > at little to nocost. You can hold it in your hand. To

me Salt or rather > the concept of saltis this fire. Sodium metal quiteliterally burns in > water. Take theashes of anything that burns and reducethem to a fine > white ash and you have(in those ashes) the alchemical Salt,one of the > three essentials. When

water is added there is a highly basicliquid of > sodium hydroxide left whichis caustic and can "burn" you. As weare > well aware, you can even "burn"some waters which leave an ash, or >rather a precipitate behind. But muchof the desired material is still >present in the form of an escapable gas

and other volatile goodies. When > wemake a precipitate these gasses are letoff and dissipate into the > atmospherenever to be retrieved. But to thealchemist working with the > low


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temperature alembic and closedcontainers, these essential >ingredients are not lost. Based on my

work to date, electricity is a form ofthe Azoth. There is another form thatis much more potent and fast-acting.The more potent form burns in water andglows in the dark. It is not sodium orany normal salt. > I would like to askArtephius what his feelings are onthis. Where's > the old fellow at when

you need him? He is not completelyinaccessable. Jerel *** From: Jarmax Date: Sun, 1 Mar 199823:02:37 EST To: [email protected]: Quotes Bruce, >As an engineerwith a physics degree, I would be veryinterested to hear >how ingesting your

material has affected your career. Doesit hamper >engineering work (maybebecause you feel you have moreimportant things to >do) or does itenhance it (maybe because you havegained a deeper >understanding of thephysics of the universe?) Use of mymaterials has caused me to understand

that I am doing the important things Ineed to do. Taking an excessive dose ofthe material in the morning will causeme to become disconnected so that I donot perform well, but I usually don't


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take much in the morning. Sincestarting this material, I understandmany, many, things much better and at

deeper levels. Almost everything speaksto me now. There seem to be nobarriers. The material I make will nothamper one's ability to be an engineerand it would almost certainly enhancethe understanding of physics. Theuniverse is an open book and full ofanswers. >In your own mail list, you

posted an elegant explanation of therelation >between ormes, microtubulesand consciousness. Would you be willingto >contribute this quote (below) toTheWork's public document? Currentlythe >quote is not public; it is onTheWork's private web page, proposed

public >document 17a, posted there forTheWork's consideration. You can usethe quote, but I prefer to remainanonymous for now. Take care. Jerel ***Return-Path: From:Jarmax Date: Fri, 17Apr 1998 23:38:14 EDT To:[email protected] Subject: Gold

Bruce, >I hope all is going well withyou. I'm very happy for you that youhave >experienced the spiritual effectsyou have described. I have learned muchbut still have much to learn.


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>Regarding your method, it's myunderstanding that you place two gold>electrodes in a solution of KN03. Is

that correct, or is it NaCl? Do you>have an address of a place to getKNO3? Pure gold electrodes are placedin very dilute solutions of both KNO3and NaCl. A fine, purple-red materialis deposited on the anode by the KNO3solution and this is dissolved in theNaCl. I have gotten all my KNO3 at

older drug stores. >It's also myunderstanding that you apply 36 voltsto the electrodes and >get aprecipitate either on the electrodes orat the bottom of the >solution. Whichis correct? Which do you ingest? Baddata. I use 42 volts. There is no

precipitate at any stage, but a goldencolored material forms in the solution.After 100 or so iterations, the diatomspolymerize and will separate from theliquid. You ingest each material as youget it. The solid is 100s of times morepotent. >As you can see, I am not clearon this method. It seems elegantly

simple, >but apparently demands greatobservational skills. Any help you canoffer >would be greatly appreciated.When you have all the materials let meknow. Jerel *** Return-Path:


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From: Jarmax Date: Sun, 19 Apr 199819:04:48 EDT To: [email protected]

Subject: Gold Bruce, >Are gold wiresadequate? Or are gold plates betterbecause of their greater >surface area?I don't know how well wires work. Ihave always used hammered gold. I don'tknow if plates would be better becauseI haven't tried that either. >Howdilute are the solutions, please? 1:10?

Fifteen milligrams of salt in 180 ml ofdistilled water. Very dilute. There areseveral steps in this. It is a methodwhich you must do to understand. Getthe materials you need and I will sendyou a series of steps for making RedGold. >Is the solid you refer to the

polymerized diatoms? The diatoms arepairs of gold atoms which are,essentially, triple-bonded to eachother. They have a high affinity forpure water and they surround themselveswith it. The polymer is an orderedarrangement of water and diatoms. Thisbecomes so big and heavy that it will

settle out. This is the solid I referto. Jerel *** X-Sender:[email protected] Date: Tue, 15Sep 1998 16:43:04 -0700 To:[email protected] From: Barry Carter


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Subject: Re:TheWork Myths Sender: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected]

Dear Jerel, At 11:48 PM 9/14/98 EDT,you wrote: >block wrote: > >>We knowthere is the range of pH >>from whichthe ORMEs precipitate out >>ofsolution. Viz 8.5 - 10.75 > >This wasnot established. ORMES, whether>monatomic or diatomic are neutral incharge >and will not respond to pH

changes. All that >has been establishedis that you can precipitate >Mg, Ca,Bi, etc. from various water sources.*** From: Barry Carter Subject: Re:TheWork Myths Sender: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected]

Dear friends, At 09:56 PM 9/15/98 EDT,Jerel wrote: >In a message dated9/15/98 6:08:58 PM Central DaylightTime, >[email protected] writes: >> pH's? (e.g. Mg(OH)2, etc.).>> >I have to check this, but I believe

it is the electronegativity of themetal >that determines the pH at whichit will convert. > >>> If ORMES willnot respond to pH changes, is theresome other mechanism > where they would


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precipitate out in that pH range? CouldMg(OH)2 form a > structure which wouldattract or collect ORMES and bring them

down with it? > >Gold and silver ORMESform water polymers that might beattracted >to Mg and other hydroxides.Gold and silver diatomics do occur insome >water sources but not in allwater sources. The amount of white>precipitate you get from a particularsource may or may not indicate >the

concentration of ORMES present. Thewhite precipitate is only >telling youhow hard the water is. *** Date: Tue,20 Oct 1998 01:57:51 -0500 From: JohnMatheson To:[email protected] Subject: TheWork:Colliodal Gold ...However, once I

obtained the necessary materials forJerel's processes, I decided someexperiments with regular colloidalmaterials were in order. Colliodalgenerators are extremely easy to make.All you need are about 5 six voltbatteries and some wire and clips tohook them together in series. Gold wire

can be purchased from a jeweler or youcan buy some Canadian Maples from agold gold dealer and have themprocessed by a jeweler. A 1/4 ounceMaple should be sufficient to make two


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6 inch wires. It is important to useonly pure gold wires. (24 carat or"fine gold) You can learn more about

making colloidal products at www.aa-micro.com/. *** Date: Sat, 24 Oct 199802:22:51 -0500 From: John Matheson To:[email protected] Subject: Re: TheWork:Colliodal Gold Sender: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] Carter wrote: > > Dear John, > >

At 01:10 PM 10/20/98 -0500, you wrote:> > >> Have you also gotten a red colorusing Jerel's process? How have you >>> compared the efficacy of the twoproducts? > > > >The materials fromJerel's processes seem to be a > >lotmore effective than any materials I've

made with > >the "dry process" or theH2O2/HC1 processes. However, > >I'veused the red gold from Jerel's processa lot more > >frequently. > > This isthe type of work we need to do, wherewe make direct comparisons > betweenmaterials obtained using differentmethods. What effects have you >

noticed from the product of Jerel'smethod? John ------- I would like tohear from others who have tried bothsubstances also. I have been tryig towrite a post on the effects of various


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substances for some time. I haddifficulty in finding the words toexspress some rather subtle

experiences. So I will just cover someof the more dramatic effects here.Originally, I expected that Jerel'sprocesses would simply be a moreconvienent way of making the substancesthat I was making with I was quicklysurprised H202/HC1 processes. I wasquickly surprised. Shortly after taking

Jerel's red gold I began feelingelectronic pulses along the acupuncturemeridians near my: legs, spine, andinside of my head. These sensationsfelt a lot like the sensations I'vefelt when I turned my BT5 brain tuner alittle to high. Later I began to feel

electrical pulsations inside of my headthat seemed very much like thesensations I had when I used anelectrostim device with my light soundmachine. ( I've only used these devicesonce or twice in the last year) I'venever felt similiar sensations thatI've associated with H202/HC1

substances or products from "The Work".I've heard the "aum" after takingproducts from "The Work" and inassociation with gold subjected toH202/HC1 processes. ( note: Jerel calls


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this sound the "hu". Others on thisforum refer to it as a disease for somestrange reason.) However this sound has

always been much louder with Jerel'sgold. I can hear this sound anytime Ichoose to tune into it provided I'm ina reasonable quite enviroment.Sometimes I even hear chords. On a moresubtle level I have a sense the theordering process in the universe isbecoming ever more present in my life.

I have also found it necessary tobecome more disiplined in my thinkingand in my use of my imagination.Without this additional self disipline,I believe the effects of thesesubstances would be more negative thanpositive. I'm also taking a lot of St.

John's Wort, Ginko, and grape seedextract. I also took a lot of productsfrom "The Work" for several monthsbefore I started using Jerel'sprocesses. In addition I also consumedred gold from the H202/HC1 processesfor about three months before thelearned Jerel's red gold process. The

influence of these substances on myexperience of electro-mechanical ishard to determine. I would be great tohear from other people who have triedboth processes. The experiences of


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others may be different than mine. Iknow of at least one person whoexperienced some rather remarkable

sygeristic effects from the consumptionof electro-mechanical and H202/HC1substances. The H202/HC1 substancesalso have some rather remarkableeffects. I may work with theseprocesses at some time in the future.My desire to find more time formeditation, exercise and study has

forced me to choose between Barry's andJerel's processes. > >The red gold thatI've made with Jerel's process > >doesnot precipitate with the "wet process"or > >the "dry process". I find this tobe a cause for > >concern. Theprocesses in "The Work" and the

H2O2/HC1 > >processes may be producingmicroclusters but they are > >probablynot producing diatoms. Barry ------ >Jerel mentioned that his process didnot produce a precipitate. I have >often wondered about the differencebetween his product and the product of> the peroxide process. There is

another possibility to consider andthat is > that the peroxide processproduces diatoms and they are in boxeswith more > handles so that the boxesform larger clusters. The red


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precipitate from > the peroxide processhas definite high energy effects, bothin terms of > psychological effects and

in terms of being associated withsuperconductive > and "tunnelling"effects. > Apparently, You have donesome work that I'm not aware of.Perhaps you could tell us about theeffects of these processes. Peace John*** From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 25Oct 1998 22:57:53 EST In a message

dated 10/25/98 9:05:09 PM,[email protected] writes:


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very thoughts influence those aroundus. The words we speak to our neighborson the west coast my be passed along to

strangers on the east coast in a matterof days. If your contributions to thegroup mind are of the me first - I gotmine you get yours variety, takingthese substances will not only ruinyour life you will take a lot of otherswith you. Jerel feels that the carelessdistribution of these processes will

take human conciousness in the wrongdirection. Jerel's posts may deal withthese issues better than mine.Annother, source of information aboutJerel's processes is "The Secret BookArtephius" available on the alchemywebsite. (levity.com) >> Well said

John! Read what has been posted. Thinkit through then pick a method thatfits. *** From: [email protected] Date:Tue, 27 Oct 1998 01:10:29 EST To:[email protected] Daniel, I feel I need toclarify a few things as there seems tobe a lot of reading between the wordsand the lines. Below is what I said: "I

don not know how you know this so well.As far as I know, you never got any ofit right. Receiver beware. Informationfrom Daniel may not have originatedfrom Jerel and it cannot reflect


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Jerels current methods. Too littleknowledge in this application can bedangerous to others as well as

yourself." There is no name calling inthis statement. The only names I seeare Daniel and Jerel. No otherswere written or implied by myself. Asto the first paragraph, my recollectionis that you got most of yourinformation from Avi, not from me. Ihad been making Red Gold for several

months before Avi got involved. Icontacted Avi in an effort to get someverification of my materials. It wasnever my intent to spoon feed himdetails and have him blindly reproducewhat I had done. I wanted additionalthinking about the steps and the

results. Avi was recommended to me byanother member of this group who hasdone a very good jod of gathering andmaking available information. To make along story a little shorter, Avi wasnot able to make the same materialafter several weeks so he turned hiswhole apparatus over to another member

of the forum. This third party thenworked with me and was able to makeessentially the same materials and hecontributed to the knowledge of theprocess. You talked to Avi after all


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this had happened. I think I had sentyou a recipe, but you had Avi clarifyit for you. But it is my second

paragraph that was most important. Idont know how what youve been sharingaround compares with what I am doingnow. I do know that my currentmaterials are capable of damage to thenervous system and that the strongestcan kill you by overheating yoursystem. I do not want anyone getting

severely damaged while they think theyare being enlightened. I cannotunderstand how you can presume to teachthese methods when you do not seem toknow what the materials are or how theyinteract with the Human Form. Thismaterial was never intended to be

thrown around like popcorn. Artephiussays this several times. For whateverelse its worth, I did invent thisprocess and I have worked with itnearly three years now. I have taughtothers and some do well while others donot. I have never asked for a singlepenny for anything I have shared and I

am not asking now. These materials arenot white gold or ORMES. They are thediatomic metals of Alchemy. I do notwant to put these into any open forumbecause there are some who wish to


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exploit this information for monetarygain to the detriment of the HumanSoul. Those who feel drawn to this

should contact me directly. Be aware,however, that I am often slow torespond because I am often not here.Jerel *** From: [email protected] Date:Wed, 28 Oct 1998 20:01:02 EST To:[email protected] Subject: TheWork: WordsSender: [email protected] Reply-To:[email protected] >>I regret that some

wonderfull people who made iquiresabout these processes, with the best ofmotives, have become victims of therecent controversy. I am still willingto read between the lines and I see alot of pain in some of the recentposts. I suspect that most newcomers

may precieve this forum to be moreclosed and hierarchical than it reallyis. Is regards to the latest crisis, Ithink some of us old timers should haveassured the new comers that they wouldget the help they were seeking. To thebest of my knowlege, no member of thisforum has ever been denied the

opportunity to study advanced processeswith Barry or Jerel. This has neverbeen a hierarchical scociety where onlya "special elect" are given the "greatsecrets" of the order. Welcome to the


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club. >You said that red gold is madeof gold diatoms, Au-triple bond-Au. Youalso said that your process strips theelectrons off the gold molecules so

that they are no longer metal. Isn't ametal with electrons removed simply apositive ion? If so, how can twopositively charged gold atoms attracteach other? What do you think thenature of the triple bond is?


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free electrons in the metal, thuskilling the metal and freeing thediatoms. This is not the same as

removing the outer electron from thegold atom and creating a positive metalion and it is not the same as creatinga metal colloid. Gold diatoms areelectrically neutral, while metal ionsand colloidal clusters are charged. Theprocess I use carefully preserves theouter electron of a gold atom and

allows it to pair with an equallypreserved electron in another goldatom. Once this happens, thenadditional inner electrons can pair andyou end up with a diatom which has no*free* electrons. With no freeelectrons, the diatom is no longer a

metal and it has a completely new setof properties. The diatom is the "soul"of the metal. This is not a matter ofproducing colored metal colloids.Producing something with a similarcolor does not mean you have made golddiatoms. You cannot make diatomsconsistently until you know what they

are. If you make gold diatoms, you willknow it because they will interact withyou in a way you can recognize. This isnot an approach that will not work foreveryone. It should not be attempted


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unless you are willing to devotesubstantial time to it. It will notwork otherwise. Jerel ***

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