Presented by: Tom Hussey

Ireland Reaching Out

Cahir Social and Historical Society

Genealogy Basics(Tracing Family Tree) Types of records availableThe periods covered by the various recordsIssues associated with Cahir records

4th February 2016

Publish Parish profiles (Caher and Ballylooby) Assist Diaspora by responding to messages

posted on Ireland XO Message Board Greet and meet visitors to the town that have

posted messages (on request) Depends on volunteers

IRELANDREACHING XO Cahir Message board (sample)

Family name Location Barrett,Hyland,Lonergan Knocknaboha Shortis Moorstown O’Donnell/Franklin Rosemont Ellen Carew Roche/McGrath/Martin, Ryan Killcommon Conway/Scanlan, McGrath ,Franklin Barrack street O’Gorman Bridge Street Moloney,Farrell Abbey street Neary Pearse Street Farrell/Callahan Clonmore/Carrigeen Mason War Memorial

RECORDS : WHAT IS AVAILABLE

Church records (Baptismal) & (Marriage) Civil Records (Births Marriages & Deaths)

Census Records

Property records

Graveyard records

Military & Police records

Migration Records

Trade Directories

School Roll Records

Minute books for Workhouse (Clogheen & Tincurry)

The Caher records available on line are as follows:

Catholic parish registers :BAPTISMS 1776 -1793 & 1809 -1864 Marriages : 1778-1880

Church of Ireland: Marriages 1845 -1864

Civil Records: Births, Marriages and Deaths 1864 -1921

1901 CENSUS

1911 CENSUS

Griffith’s Valuation c.1853 (LAND AND PROPERTY ONLY)

Tithe Applotments Books c.1836 (TILLAGE LAND ONLY)

Cahir records and some associated issues

Roman Catholic Parish Registers Parish Baptisms Marriages

Ardfinnan 1809-1880 1814-1822 1827-1880

Ballylooby and Duhill 1828-1864 1828-1864

Ballyneale and Grangemockler 1839-1880

Ballyporeen (Templetenny) 1817-1828 1818-1875

Cahir 1776-1793 1809-1864 1776-1880

Carrick-On-Suir 1784-1880 1788-1880

Clogheen 1778-1880 1814-1864

Civil District Marriages  

Ardfinnan 1845-1864  

Ardmayle 1845-1864  

Ballingarry 1845-1864  

Bansha 1845-1864  

Cahir 1845-1864  

Cashel 1845-1864  

Clogheen 1845-1864  

Church of Ireland

Saint Mary’s Church Cahir stmaryscahir.ie

http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1097

Copies of microfilm of Church records Births and Marriages

Caher records and some associated issues (1) Fr Geoffrey Keating PP established register in 1776 in the Chapel on Chapel Road outside the entrance to Cahir Park. This record is still preserved in Cahir. He died in 1891.In this register he invariably names illegitimate male children presented for Baptism as ‘Oliver’.The Dioceses of Cashel and Emly used a similar approach but with a different set of names.

Geoffrey was succeeded by his brother Rev Michael Keating . At this time a replacement Chapel was built on the site of the present Church and he died in 1809. The Birth records for 1794-1808 are missing.

A third brother Rev Thomas Keating next succeeded to the pastorate, he died in 1814.

Caher records and some associated issues (2)

The Parish registers for Cahir are sometimes duplicated in county Waterford .

In about 10% of cases the Cahir records only show incorrectly in ‘Cahir County Waterford.’

This issue applies to a number of parish records in South Tipperary in the Dioceses of Waterford and Lismore.

The Parish registers for the Diocese of Cashel & Emly in South Tipperary are not on line.

No defined specification for records

Records on line are transcripts of true records. A small number of errors are present & some children were not baptised/recorded.

www.rootsireland.ie

A subscription channel

You can search all Church records and some Civil records that are on line (not all on line)

By County, Parish, Dates, Father’s name, Mother’ maiden names

When you know the parents names you can use ‘%%%%’ as a wild card to find all children in one query.

The individual records will give you a full transcript of the Baptismal record including witness names.

Parishes in the Doiceses of Cashel & Emly in South Tipperary are not on line.

The General Register Office (GRO) holds all official records of Irish births, deaths and marriages from 1864 and of non-Catholic marriages from 1845, the historic indexes of which can be viewed here

CIVIL REGISTRATION

General Registrars Office Indexes in relation to the following records of life events are available

for inspection at the Research Facility:

1. Births registered in the island of Ireland between 1st January, 1864 and 31 December, 1921 inclusive, and in Ireland (excluding the six north-eastern counties of Derry, Antrim, Down, Armagh, Fermanagh and Tyrone known as Northern Ireland) from 1922 onwards.

2. Deaths registered in the island of Ireland between 1st January, 1864 and 31st December, 1921 inclusive and in Ireland (excluding Northern Ireland ) from 1922 onwards.

3. Non-Roman Catholic Marriages registered in the island of Ireland between 1st April, 1845 and 31st December, 1863 inclusive.

4. Marriages registered in the island of Ireland between 1st January, 1864 and 31st December, 1921 inclusive and in Ireland (excluding Northern Ireland ) from 1922 onwards.

5. Legal Domestic Adoptions registered in Ireland from 10th July, 1953 onwards.

Irish Civil birth registration information requirements ( after 1864) . All Irish birth certificates should contain the following information:

Date of birth Place of birth (townland or urban street name/house number)

Name of child (sometimes blank or 'male' or 'female' if name not yet decided)

Sex of child Father's name and address (townland or street name/house number)

Mother's name and maiden name Father's occupation Name, address and 'qualification' (relationship) of the informant. Date registered Name of registrar Superintendent Registrar's signature

Approach to searching for roots Have a plan A plan is defined as : THE PROGRESSION FROM A KNOWN PRESENT STATE TO A DESIRABLE FUTURE STATE Focus initially on the KNOWN PRESENT

STATE In general it is better to work backwards

but always from a ‘known present state’

Search criteria Set loose criteria initially eg. all county,

widest time range permitted by search engine

On the assumption that the person is included in the initial output, progressively narrow the search criteria eg. by Parish,

by father only, by both parents, etc. In an ideal outcome you will find the

record with both parents and an address as you thought within a narrow timeline.

Civil Registrations after 1864 -1915

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie (free) Search by name and Registration district Advanced search using Mother’s maiden

name Reference number of entry but limited

additional information

Co Tipperary Registrations Districts are as follows:

Borrisokane*, Carrick-on-Suir**, Callan***Clogheen*, Roscrea** , Parsonstown*** Nenagh*, Clonmel** Urlingford*** Thurles*, Roscrea**Thurles* Tipperary*** registrations are for townlands only located in Co. Tipperary** Centre or head office for district is located in Co. Tipperary but district itself takes in part of another county*** Centre or head office for a district is located in another county but the district takes in townlands in Co. Tipperary.

Caher records and some associated issues (3)

The Census 1911 has all the records for the west side of the town (Except Bridge Street) (c50%) incorrectly placed under Kilcommon DED instead of Cahir DED.

While there is a Kilcommon village there is no Kilcommon DED, so only Caher records (west side of river) are show under Kilcommon DED

STREET NAMES HAVE CHANGED SINCE 1911:e.g., Wellington street to Pearse street, Chapel road to St.Mary’s Road

The house numbers used by the enumerators are not always consistent for the same properties with the numbers used in 1901 Census.

The Census 1901 seems to be complete under Caher (Tipperary).

Census records

http://www.macatawa.org/~devries/KILCOMMON-QUAKER.htm

Kilcommon - Protestant Graveyard

(Transcripts no images)http://www.macatawa.org/~devries/CAHIRoldChurch.htm

Cemeteries

Loughloher Graveyard

IMAGES OF HEADSTONES (FULL INFORMATION AVAILABLE)http://billiongraves.com/cemetery/Saint-Mary-Roman-church-drom-Tipperary-Ireland/263972 (Part only)

Whitechurch, Burncourt, Killaldriffe.

SCHOOL ROLLS

The School rolls up to 1925 for Saint Paul’s School, Church Street, Cahir are available to view at The National Archives ,Bishops Street Dublin

Workhouse To get entrance to the Workhouse people

had to surrender their lease, so they had no prospect of returning home.

Women tried to gain entrance with their children but if the lease was not surrendered with 2 weeks they were returned home.

Husbands who did not surrender their lease were pursued as ‘deserters’

TRADE DIRECTORIES

Pigot & Co's directory goes through the towns of Ireland alphabetically. It lists a detailed description of the town or city, post office information and shows the names of nobility and gentry living in or close to the town. The traders of each town are arranged according to their trade. Pigot & Co's Directory was first published in 1820.

Slaters's (1846) directory goes through the towns of Ireland alphabetically. It lists a detailed description of the town or city, post office information and shows the names of nobility and gentry living in or close to the town. The traders of each town are arranged according to their trade. – Slater's directory contains some additional information over Pigot's Directory.

http://www.failteromhat.com/

Land and Estate Records

Two MOST important substitutes for the lost 19th century census records are the Tithe Applotment Books and Griffith’s Valuation.

TO SEARCH LAND & PROPERTY AND CENSUS RECORDS SOME UNDERSTANDING OF ADMINISTRATIVE DIVISIONS IS HELPFUL.

The Main Administrative Divisions

The Townland The Civil Parish The Catholic Parish Dioceses The Barony The County The Province The Poor Law Union The District Electoral Division Dispensary Districts

1. The Townland

Townlands survive from Early Irish history & were units of land used to delineate small viable agricultural units controlled by a single family.

In general the larger the townland the poorer the quality of land & the smaller Townland the better quality land.

The Ordnance Survey mapped all the townlands when making the 1st Edition maps in the mid 1800’s - some townlands were lost, some new townlands created, others subdivided - townland boundaries were often changed & new names given.

This is very important factor to keep in mind when searching for records!

1. The Townland

smallest administrative division in Ireland. – Can vary in size from less

than an acres to several thousand acres

Approx 64,000 townlands in Ireland– Caher Parish has 45

Townland boundaries are usually defined by phyical or manmade features eg. Rivers, stone walls, ditches, dykes etc.

The word townland is misleading as most do not contain towns or even villages - and may even have no occupants!

2. The Civil Parish

The Civil Parish is a collection of townlands – Usually between 20 to 40 townlands.

There are approx. 2500 Civil parishes in Ireland– 118 in South Tipperary.

C.P.’s originated in the 13th century and correspond with the Medieval Church Parish system following reform in the Early Irish Church.

Civil Parishes were established before counties and some often cross both county and Barony borders

They were used for the basis for surveys and later censuses but nowadays are practically redundant Administrative Units.

The Civil Parish

Townlands in Records

Became more important after written records were beginning to be compiled in the 17th century onwards

In 19th century records the townland became the basic administrative unit for purposes of land valuation and census records such as:– The Tithes Applotment Survey between 1823 and 1848– Griffiths Valuation/Primary Valuations of Ireland of 1855– Estate Maps & especially in post famine Encumbered

Estate Records– 1901 and 1911 Census

There are six historic baronies in South Tipperary:

Clanwilliam,

Iffa and Offa East,

Iffa and Offa West

Kilnamanagh Lower

Middle Third

Slievardagh

Barony

Griffiths Valuation

Name widely given to the Primary Valuation of Ireland:

• Property tax survey carried out in the mid 19th c.• Supervised by Sir Richard Griffith. • Involved the detailed valuation of every taxable piece of

agricultural or built property on the island of Ireland• Published county-by-county between the years 1847 and 1864.

Griffiths Valuation

The information contained in Griffiths Valuation includes:

– Map reference number (location of the holding on the first edition six-inch Ordnance Survey maps)

– Names of occupiers of holdings– Names of immediate lessors (the person from whom the holding

was leased)– Descriptions of tenements (holding) e.g. ‘House, offices and land’– Area (Acres, Roods and Perches) of each holding– Valuation of buildings, land, etc. with Total Annual Valuation of each holding

Griffiths Valuation

Purpose of the survey was to get an accurate estimate on the annual income that each property should produce.

- i.e. the “Net Annual Value” figure (in £ s d, pounds sterling, shillings and pence) in the far right column of each valuation record.

This was then used as the basis for local

taxation - which continued up to the 1970s!

Griffiths Valuation

The individual in economic occupation of the property was responsible for payment of the local taxation - with one exception: tenants with a holding valued at less than £5 annually were exempt, but their landlord was liable for the tax.

This liability was a powerful incentive for landlords to get rid of small holding tenants, contributing to the wave of evictions that took place throughout the second half of the 19th century.

Griffiths Valuation

Why is it important?It is the only semi comprehensive account of where people lived in mid-nineteenth century Ireland

– covers over a million dwellings– nearly 20 million acres– recording around 80% of the population

Because the Valuation was published –and its copyright is out of date - it is by far the most widely available record used for Irish research.

Issues with Griffiths Valuation (4)

The maps shown on the site are not contemporaneous with the actual survey details. (The maps would seem to relate to a time c.30 years later than the survey.)The spellings for Parishes or Townlands must be as recorded on Survey (use of Browse function will help).

Assisted Passage Peter Robinson Settlers from Cork to Canada 1823 & 1825 see http://

www.geni.com/projects/Irish-Peter-Robinson-Settlers-Canada/2553 Earl Grey Orphan Girl Emigration Scheme to Australia (1848-1850)

which involved 4,175 girls. In addition over 50,000 women were given assistance to emigrate from Irish workhouses to North America between the years 1840 and 1870.

General Emigration Scheme. The general emigration scheme was introduced in 1849, in order to allow Boards of Guardians to help paupers to emigrate to America and Canada. People who were judged as able to work and who had been in the workhouse for over a

year were eligible. Between 1849-51, 1592 men, women and children emigrated under the terms of this scheme.

Tithe Applotment Books (1823-38)

Were compiled to decide on the amount in tithes (tax) occupiers of agricultural holdings should pay to the Church of Ireland (Tithe Applotment Survey)– Originally paid by farmers in produce– 1823 Tithe Composition Act allowed tithes to be paid in cash– Applied to all – regardless of religion

The information contained in it includes:– Name of occupier– Name of townland– Acreage– Classification of land 1-4– Amount of tithe due

Tithe Applotment Books (1823-38)

Compiled between 1823 and 1838– the date varies from parish to parish

Things to remember:– Does not cover towns/cities– does not cover all parishes– Records the occupiers of eligible land– Does not record householders– Those working on land owned by the Church did not pay tithes

Issues with Caher Tithe Applotment Books (1823-38) (5)

The Caher (Tipperary) record is combined with Caher (Kerry) but only recorded under County Kerry

None of the Townlands overlap and on the top of most of the pages relating to Caher (Tipperary) you will find Dioceses of Waterford & Lismore.

If you search for Caher records using County Tipperary you will find nothing.

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp

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Slán go foil

I hope you enjoyed the talk and thank youfor your interest and attention.