secondary and post 16 education modernisation – informal consultation
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Secondary and Post 16 Education Modernisation –
Informal Consultation
Informal Consultation31st Jan – 6th June 2011
The Proposals:11 – 16: ‘A new structure of seven or eight schools acrossthirteen sites with some as all through schools’
Welsh Medium: ‘Minimum of three dual-stream schools, with consideration ofthe establishment of a designated Welsh Medium School’
Post 16: ‘Hub and Spoke’ or ‘FE Tertiary’
Consultation Responses
Records of:• Public Meetings * 16• Pupil Meetings * 16• Staff/Governor Meetings * 16• Powys Youth Forum * 1
Correspondence: 126
Questionnaires: 3,200
External Surveys: 3Petition: 1Alternative Proposals: 10
Work-streams: 2
* It is estimated that more than 6,000 people attended the 49 meetings
Methodology
Every comment from all sources allocated a:
• Reference number• Location (if known)• Stakeholder category e.g parent (if known)• Theme e.g Pre-16, Post-16, Welsh Medium, General • Sub-theme e.g. travel, support, logistics, bilingual
QuestionnairesTwo questionnaires issued:• General• Young People
Information Requested:
• Home post code• Status of stakeholder by location• Q1(General Survey only): “Do you welcome the move to retain
secondary education on all 13 existing sites?”• Q2(General Survey only): “Do you agree with the need for the
modernisation of the secondary and post-16 sectors?”• Comments on each of the three/general proposals• Age (Young People’s survey only)
Questionnaire Analysis
Stakeholders
0
500
1000
1500
2000
2500
Pupils
Colleg
e Stu
dent
Teach
er/le
ctur
er
Gover
nor
Paren
t/gua
rdia
n
Mem
ber o
f sta
ff
Other
Young Person's Survey
General
Responses by stakeholder group
Pupils 2255* (includes both questionnaires)
College Students 13
Teachers/Lecturers 102
Governors 60
Parents/Guardians 642
Members of staff 42
Others 118
Stakeholder response by area
0
100
200
300
400
500
600
700
Breco
n
Crickh
owell
Gwerny
fed
Bro D
dyfi
Builth
Well
s
Lland
rindo
d W
ells
Llanf
air C
aere
inion
Llanf
yllin
Newto
wn
Llani
dloes
John
Bed
does
Wel
shpo
ol
Mae
sydd
erwen
Other
Other
Member of staff
Parent/Guardian
Governor
Teacher/Lecturer
College Students
Pupils
Stakeholder Response by area - General Survey only
0
100
200
300
400
500
600
Other
Member of staff
Parent/Guardian
Governor
Teacher/Lecturer
College Students
Pupils (Gen)
Q2a.
Do you welcome the move to retain secondary education on all 13 existing sites?
1022
141
108
Yes
No
NA
Q2b
Do you agree with the need for the modernisation of the secondary and post 16-sectors?
536
592
143
Yes
No
NA
Thematic Analysis
• Pre-16
• Post-16
• Welsh Medium
• General
THEME 1: PRE-16
Main messages • Logistically challenging (pupils, teachers and
management)• Threat to standards • Costs outweigh any benefits• “We’re a good school, leave us alone” – Status
Quo/General opposition• Travel• Significant support for all-through schools in Llanidloes
Pre-16 Main Themes by Survey - All county
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50
100
150
200
250
300
350
400
450
Staff
issues
- em
ploym
ent
Merg
er -
quality
/logis
tics
Trave
l
Data a
nd fi
nanc
ial
Conflic
t
Suppo
rt fo
r pro
posa
ls
Statu
s Quo
Gener
al opp
ositio
n
Friend
ship
All thr
ough
schoo
ls
Impac
t of m
oder
nisat
ion
Too m
any p
eople
Loss
of id
entity
Neutra
l
General Survey
Young Person's Survey
Pre - 16 Top themes by area
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100
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500
600
Breco
n
Crickh
owel
l
Gwer
nyfe
d
Bro D
dyfi
Builth
Wel
ls
Llan
drin
dod
Well
s
Llan
fair
Caere
inio
n
Llan
fyllin
Newto
wn
Llan
idlo
es
John
Bed
does
Wel
shpo
ol
Mae
sydd
erwen
All through schools
General opposition
Status Quo
Support for proposals
Data and financial
Travel
Merger - quality/logistics
THEME 2: POST-16
Main messages
• Keep 6th forms in schools: standards and added value of 6th form to a school and wider community
• Logistics of ‘hubs & spokes’, • Some support for some change (curriculum choice,
collaboration, ‘sacrifice the smaller centres to invest in the larger ones’)
• No to FE Tertiary
Post-16 Main Themes by County
0
50
100
150
200
250
300
350
400
GeneralSurvey
YoungPeople'sSurvey
Post-16 Main Themes by Location
050
100150200250300350400450500
Travel
Quality
No support forproposals
Neutral
Added Value of6th Forms
THEME 3: WELSH MEDIUM
Main messages
• Support for bilingual schools • Some support for designated Welsh Medium school• Support for Welsh Medium education – local
access/entitlement
WM Subthemes analysis - all county
0
100
200
300
400
500
600
Gen Survey
YP Survey
Welsh Medium - Main Themes by Location
0
50
100
150
200
250
300
350
400
450
Neutral
Support for WMeducation - localaccess
Support for WMschool
Support forbilingual school
THEME 4: Category ‘Other’
Main messages• Case for Change• Specific support for school• Language• All Through Schools• Process• Status Quo
General Comments - Main Themes by County
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50
100
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450
Status Quo Case forChange
All ThroughSchool
Specificsupport for
school
Travel Merger
General Survey
Young People's Survey
Alternative proposals
1. All Through School:Llanidloes High School & Llanidloes Primary School
2. South Powys:• two post-16 ‘Centres of Excellence’ at Crickhowell/Brecon• Voc provision at Coleg Gwent• CHS ‘management hub’ for local primaries
3. Learn from the highest performing schools, undertake further research into pupil demand, LEA spend
4. Centralise primary cluster administration at Gwernyfed High School
5. Collaboration:• Core A levels provided at ‘home’school• 30% A levels accessible from other schools• CP to focus on voc provision• WM – to be demand-led/out-of-county partnerships
6. South Powys WM:• Co-ordinate provision across Brecon & Builth• Provide WM streams at both, sharing teaching staff and other
resources to meet the requirement for WM• Single head of WM
Or, Establish new Ysgol Uwchradd De Powys across both sites
7. General:• Reform LA education dept; • Improve the management of school budgets/surplus capacity;• Implement ‘Making a Difference’• Improve use of technology
8. Newtown:• Retain NHS as an 11 – 18 school• Post-16 Hub • Develop WM Stream
9. Crickhowell:• Develop local 3 – 19 Cluster Model
10. Builth Wells:• Retain Builth Wells as an 11-18 bilingual school• Provide WM stream at Builth Wells to achieve target of at least 80%• Collaboration at Post-16 with schools in local area
External surveys
Three Surveys received:1. Friends of Llanfyllin
2. RHaG South Powys
3. North East Powys Parents for WM Education
The proposals will allow students to chose a more widely offered education/training route. The choices will be greatly improved.
I think that your ideas for Welsh medium education are really bad. We live in Wales so we should be able to learn Welsh in whatever school you go to.
I want the school to stay open because then we can start our education in one place and end it in one place
How would you feel if your education was in the hands of someone you don't know?
I think we should have a welsh medium school in the centre of all the schools. And pupils should have free transport there. So they have more opportunities.
In my opinion, everything should just stay as it is. Everyone is happy. Pupils would need to travel much further.
I feel that every pupil has the right to go to sixth form in their own schools, where they are comfortable and have built up a rapport with other pupils lower down the school and staff. Taking post-16 education from secondary schools is not the right move for Powys.
Where is the substance to these proposals - they are full of rhetoric and statement but little detail.
I believe that students being taught through a Welsh language is basically pointless because how many places in the world speak the Welsh language. Unless you will be employed in a strong fluent Welsh community in Wales or Patagonia in the the Falklands then it is advisable but not for myself.
‘ I don’t understand what your proposals are, and even if I did, I wouldn’t agree with them!’
What happens now?
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