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Everything you wanted to know about career ascendency but were afraid to ask

Michael van Dyke Ph.D. and Douglas Boyd, Ph.D.

MD Anderson Cancer Center

Emails: mvandyke@mdanderson.org

dboyd@mdanderson.org

Tel: MVD-713 792 8594

Tel: DB: 713 563 4918

Session I (DB).

• The route to an academic/industrial career,

• Growth in # trainees and postdocs in US market,

• Faculty hiring at universities (medical schools),

• Research funding– NIH $$$– Success rates in getting first grant

• Career diversification of our (GSBS) Ph.D. graduates

• International trends that currently favor career ascendancy in the biomedical sciences (USA)

• Is an intermediary positions after post-doc (Instructor) beneficial for career ascendency?

• Some non-traditional jobs

• Who to ask for career advice?

• Importance of establishing time lines.

Session II (MVD) Noon-June 19.

• What are faculty searches looking for

• How competitive is the academic market?– Experience of DB and MVD on search committees

• Domestic vs. foreign applicants– Does one have an advantage?

• What are large and small institutions looking for– Publications, grants, pedigree

• Non-faculty positions in academia– Running a Core Facility

– Research Scientist in a laboratory.

Career Tracks for Ph.D. Recipients in Biomedical Sciences

Ph.D. Student 4-6 years

Postdoctoral Fellowship(s) (3-4 years) (X2)??

University Faculty (Research/teaching)

Industrial Position (Pharmaceutical/Biotech)

Non-traditional track (e.g. administration, medical writer, aviation science, pharma/biotech sales, paralegal, FDA (drug regulation))

Junior Faculty Position?

First Question…

• Is the supply (Ph.D. students, postdoctoral fellows) and demand (faculty appointments, vacancies in industry) balanced??

Substantial Job Growth Nationwide (increased demand)

• Advertisements in Science for life science positions:

– 1973• 26 in a typical issue of the periodical,

– 2004• 109 in typical issue of the periodical

– Increase of >300 %

Growth in # of individuals receiving Ph.Ds

(increased supply)

• Nationwide,

• Our own GSBS

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What about the demand end?? Are the # of tenure-track faculty appointment also increasing at

medical schools??

60 % of postdoctoral fellows pursue tenure-track positions in academia

(Babco and Jesse 2005)

Total and New Faculty 1970 to 2006 in US Medical Schools

13Source: http://www.aamc.org

Good news-faculty growth ??

but first time hires unchanged

Career outcomes for our GSBS Ph.D. graduates

• Historical and recent outcomes

Career outcomes of our GSBS Ph.D. Recipients (2 cohorts)

• 10 year follow up– 1970/1972- queried as to career in 1980/1982– 1996-queried as to career in 2006

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• “New graduates in the life sciences will continue to find the relatively few research and tenure-track positions in academia extremely competitive”

– Babco and Jesse (2005)

Career diversification of our graduates is similar to that nationwide (2005)

• 55 % in academic institutions– But nearly half of these are in non-tenure positions,

• 5 % in non-profit organizations,

• 27 % in business sector,

• 10 % in government,

• Remaining 3 % Ph.Ds in other sectors

• Babco and Jesse (2005). BioScience 55: 879-886.

You’ve got in!!

• You’re a new Assistant Professor hire– What about research funding??

????

The Public Purse (i.e. National Institute of Health (NIH)-one of the major sources of funding)

• Funding for biomedical research– Trends in funding

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NIH Budget in Current and Constant Dollars

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Recent updates on the Public Purse-2009

• Stimulus package (President Obama)

– Payline increased to 16 % (yeah!!),– Some unfunded grants within 10 % get 2 year awards,– Challenge grants.

What does this all mean for getting that research grant??

Success Rates for New (Type 1) Applications,Including First R01 Award

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Trend shows increaseGood news!!

Other good news: factors favoring future traditional career ascendancy in USA

• International competition for students and researchers

– Singapore, European Union,

– Council of Graduate Schools indicate # foreign applicants declined 25 % between 2003 and 2005

Trend in International Applications to our GSBS

2009 data ~30 % down compared with 2003

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So….the pendulum swings back and forth

Does an intermediary position (e.g. Instructor) facilitate career ascendency in academia?

• For a cohort of MDACC instructors (cohort 2002-2008)

– What % were promoted internally?

– Of those who departed MDACC, what % were promoted at the other institute?

Career Outcomes in academia for MDACC Instructors

N.B. Point of diminishing return with time!!

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What about life outside of Academia?

Some non-traditional jobs (more on these in Session II)

• Running a Core facility,

• A research scientist position in a laboratory,

• Research in a start-up company,

• Administration,

• Editor for a journal,

• Patent law,

• Regulatory Affairs,

• Clinical Service,

• Teaching,

• Technology Transfer

So you’re undecided: which faculty member(s) should you ask for career advice for ACADEMIA?

• Your mentor?• may/may not be a good person,

» Track record in placing trainees in the career path you are interested in?

• Faculty on departmental faculty search committee• He/she could advise you on what THEIR dept is looking for info:

BUT-may be uninformative for other departments/institutions.

So you’re undecided: which faculty member(s) should you ask for advice on NON-TRADITIONAL

careers?

– Your mentor?

• might/might not be the best person » limited insight, » prejudice against non-traditional route,» track record

– Some faculty might be able to put you in touch with persons who have taken this route,

– Graduate school Alumni,

– Boyd/van Dyke (pondered over this for 15+ years)- have contacts.

• Some other considerations– Start thinking about your career objectives NOW

• What do you like doing?• What are your strengths/weaknesses?• Are you a social butterfly or a “loner”?

– Speak up• Faculty/mentors are there to help but you have to approach him/her.• Talk to more than one investigator.

– Time Frames• Establish Early (VERY important)

– Time flies by VERY quickly.

Summary• Employment in Academia:

– Have not seen an un-employed Ph.D in our career outcome queries,• But situation where under-employed individuals,

– Academic positions harder to secure cf 30 years prior.

• Factors favoring career ascendancy:– Decreasing Ph.D. applicant pool from overseas,

– Expansion of non-traditional careers in research.

• Factors hindering career ascendancy:– Reduced retirement of faculty (traditional),

– Increased pool of national Ph.D. recipients,

– Large pool of international Ph.Ds.

• Employment in non-Traditional jobs:– Wide range,

– Find someone who has taken such a career path or who can put you in contact with such a person,

– Different priorities, expectations, culture, mindset compared with academia.

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Ph.D. Recipients by Age

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• Looooooooots of training……but in 1998 survey of GSBS students from (graduating 1966-1998)

– 82.5 % of GSBS students are appropriately employed in light of their education,

– 92.7 respondents very satisfied or satisfied with GSBS education,

– 83.8 % would either very strongly or strongly recommend GSBS

http://gsbs.uth.tmc.edu/alumni/surv98.htmlResponse rate= 70 %

• Academic research scientists:

– A Ph.D. program and dissertation …requirements for the job, …can take 6-8 years. Add ..several years (postdoctoral) of one's career to qualify for coveted tenure-track positions.

– During the postdoc phase, ..likely to teach, ..experiments that require you to check in at all hours, publish research – for a salary that may not exceed $43,000.

– ..made tougher still by fact that in many disciplines, not nearly as many tenure-track positions as there are candidates.

Source: http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/15/pf/training_pay/index.htm

But… is it really that dire???

Some concerns regarding the expanding pool of Ph.D.s

• “…usually not possible for every Ph.D. trained to become a faculty member. “Tragically, there is a current pool of Ph.D.-trained individuals…laboring under the incorrect presumption that if they only work hard enough and long enough, there will be a faculty job...”– - Stephen Ekker Ph.D.

• The “route to (academic) success, so common a decade ago, is usually now limited to a relatively lucky few that picked the right project in the right laboratory at the right time. The net result is a pool of highly skilled individuals in (an) academic holding pattern, and that pool is growing each year.”- Stephen Ekker Ph.D.

NIH COMPETING RPG* PRINCIPAL INVESTIGATORS: TRENDS IN APPLICANTS, AWARDEES, AND FUNDING RATES

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Funding for Research Grants

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