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A ringside view of the economic crisis David Fenton, Senior Economist March 2012. Was the Greenspan “put” a shot in the foot?. Policy rates, UK and US. Source: Datastream. Goodbye dot-com bubble, hello housing bubble. Equity prices, house prices. Source: Datastream. - PowerPoint PPT Presentation

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Page 1: A ringside view of the economic crisis  David Fenton, Senior Economist March 2012

A ringside view of the economic crisis

David Fenton, Senior Economist

March 2012

Page 2: A ringside view of the economic crisis  David Fenton, Senior Economist March 2012

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Was the Greenspan “put” a shot in the foot?Policy rates, UK and US

Source: Datastream

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Goodbye dot-com bubble, hello housing bubble

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Equity prices, house prices

Source: Datastream

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(Taylor) rules are made to be broken?

Federal funds rate (%)

Source: “Housing and monetary policy”, Jackson Hole conference 2007

Housing starts (millions of units)

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Signs of a property bubble – difficult to miss

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10y gilt yield

Normal(c200 bps)

Nuts(inverted!)

Nasty!(c400bps)

Commercial property and gilt yields, %

Source: Datastream, IPD

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The Great Moderation made us complacent

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Source: Datastream, RBS calcs

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The price of risk fell sharply

RBS net interest margin (%)

Source: Bloomberg

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The loan to deposit ratio shot upRBS loan to deposit ratio (%)

Source: Bloomberg

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We saw it coming...sort of

“Unlike previous scenarios, the main source of the economic downturn is in the banking system...it is the resultant ‘credit crunch’ that propagates this initial shock, and turns recession into depression.”

RBS stress scenario, July 2006

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Strange things afoot in the inter-bank marketSpread between 3m LIBOR and bank rate (bps)

Source: Datastream

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Did we really think Greece was like Germany?10y bond yields (%)

Source: Datastream

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fails

Greece joins euro

Birth of

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Where do we from here?

Goldilocks Returns

“V”

Deflation“L”

Not much spare

capacity

Strong demand

Weak demand

Lots of spare

capacity

Return of macro instability

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Slow Grind Higher

“U”

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The long road to recovery

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Fiscal rebalancing: a good start, but still far to go

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Source: HM Treasury

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“Plan A” requires a private sector response

Government

Financial companies

Rest of the world

Non-financial companies

Households

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Net financial surplus/deficit, % GDP (flow of funds)

Source: Datastream, RBS calcs

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Rates expectations fade into the distance

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UK policy rate

Source: Datastream, Bank of England

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Are we turning Japanese?

Market expectations of policy rate (%)

Source: Fathom

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Actual

1998

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Drastic times?

Increase demand (symptom)

Massive fiscal stimulus

QE max

Liquidity unbounded

“Use it or lose it” deposit tax

PFI v2.0

Beg to China

Reduce debt (cause)

(Big) “bad bank”

Debt forgiveness

Financial repression

Monetise debt

Raise interest rates

Outright default

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The darkest hour is just before the dawn?

“Initial projections for a V-shaped recovery are subsequently revised to a U-shaped recovery and eventually to an L-shape just as the recovery arrives.”

Blanchflower, Feb 2009

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Keep in touch!

Internetwww.rbs.com/economics

E-mailwww.rbs.com/economics/registration

Social media@rbs_economics

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