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Diminishing Returns on Efficiency? Customizing for Climate? Where to place the system? How to do Sizing? Filtration, how important? Energy Source, gas, elect, propane? Package or Split? Sizing the ducts? 1 This is the most important player on the Energy part of your team. 1. Most contractors of all types are susceptible to a “We’ve always done it this way” tendency. Know this: 2TRANSCRIPT
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HVAC DECISION MAKINGHow to choose an HVAC Contractor
Package or Split?
How about Mini Split?
How to do Sizing?
Sizing the ducts?
Duct placement? Seal or Replace?
Customizing for Climate?
Where to place the system?
Filtration, how important?
Diminishing Returns on Efficiency?
Energy Source, gas, elect, propane?
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THE HVAC CONTRACTORThis is the most important player on
the Energy part of your team.
Know this:
1. Most contractors of all types are susceptible to a “We’ve always done
it this way” tendency.
2. HVAC Contractors continuing education should have included whole house integration. They
should understand insulation and infiltration and their effect on HVAC
load.
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THE HVAC CONTRACTOR3. They really do need to do Manual
J and Manual D calculations.
J is for the heat load of the house
D is for the ductwork
WrightSoft is a good program for Load Calcs.
4. If they propose “rule of thumb”
(such as 500 feet per ton) calculations they are not the right
contractor for an EnergyWise project.
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THE HVAC CONTRACTOR5. In California, Training by and
membership in California Building Performance Contractors
Association (CBPCA) is a good indicator.
6. BBI Certification is also good.
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PACKAGE OR SPLITPackage Units are
Cheaper
Less Efficient
Easy to keep combustion outside the building envelope
Split Systems are
More Expensive
Customizeable
Can be more efficient
Easier to do super filtering
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HOW EFFICIENT?The least expensive (US) unit is 13 SEER
cooling and 80% efficiency heating.
Available in Package or Split.
Package Units get slightly more efficient.
Split Systems can get a lot more efficient (for a lot more money)
Reason is they can be customized to the project and the climate.
Package Units are “one size must fit the whole country”
Houston and Fresno are totally different and use air conditioning for different reasons. (water removal vs cooling)
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HOW EFFICIENT?The homeowner wanting the best with no budget constraints will probably choose a
customized split system.
As Energy Wise House Flippers who must sell the finished product at a profit, we
usually choose the
13 SEER 80% Package Unit.
Least expensive.
Combustion all outside.
Then we put the saved money into the improved envelope and insulation
Other benefits are lower maintenance cost and ease of service by any HVAC tech.
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HOW ABOUT MINI SPLITS?This is the technology used by the
entire rest of the planet besides USA.
Why?
Americans have bought the idea that they need a lot of forced air blowing
into every room.
Typically Mini Splits have had only one or a few indoor units.
New Developments allow small short duct systems to aid in
distribution to satisfy Americans.
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HOW ABOUT MINI SPLITS?Benefits of Mini Splits
1. High efficiency up to 21 SEER and more. Due to Inverter = DC
technology. This variable speed motor is used on both the compressor and the fan.
American manufacturers have only figured out how to use ECM motors on the fan. Rumor has it that ECM motors on compressors will be the
next big thing from US manufacturers. Dont expect it to be
cheap.
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HOW ABOUT MINI SPLITS?2. No duct loss. Because there are
no ducts.
3. Original Cost is less
4. Electric Heat Pump heating eliminates combustion altogether.
One recent Price comparison for complete new installation
13 SEER Package on roof $6500
High Efficiency Split System $8000
MiniSplit with minimal ducts $5500
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HOW TO DO SIZINGThe right answer is with Manual J
for sizing the equipment to the heat load of the house.
And Manual D for sizing the ducts correctly.
The rule of thumb of 500 square feet per ton was approximately right in
1965 when we had single metal windows, no wall insulation, and
maybe R11 in the ceiling.
Surprisingly builders are still using 500 ft per ton resulting in
MASSIVE OVERSIZING
What’s wrong with this picture?
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HOW TO DO SIZINGWrightSoft is a good software for
load calcs and duct calcs.
It can be done by hand. Manual J & D available at ACCA.
Can be reduced to an excel spreadsheet.
You dont have to do this. You just need to know the HVAC contractor
is doing it. (correctly)
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SIZING THE DUCTSThis is the reason that we never try
to do “duct seal” and believe that duct seal programs are a waste of
time and money.
Even if you seal a system well,
It is still incorrectly sized and dirty in need of cleaning and worn out (in
the case of flex) and in the wrong places.
It is better to tear the old stuff out and start over.
Use Manual D
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PLACING THE DUCTSAs short as possible.
Minimize the ducts in the severe conditions of the Attic
Under freezing to over 140 degrees
Use R8 for sure (code is R6, contractors will tell you its
adequate)
Then cover it up with more insulation.
Ducts should run to the closest point in a room.
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WHAT ABOUT THE RETURN?You almost cannot go too large.
A larger, freer breathing return will mean less static pressure = more
efficiency
Example: Standard for a 2 ton unit in our area is 14 inch duct for the
return. Some use 12.
We use 18 plus another 12 to a second return in the master
bedroom.
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FILTERS AND SUPERFILTERSThe standard one inch Rock
Stoppers are designed to protect equipment, not lungs.
If you want to protect your lungs, a thicker and better filter is required.
This will increase static pressure and decrease efficiency.
Increase filtration wisely and ensure that occupants service the filters.
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CUSTOMIZING FOR CLIMATEPackage Units are not customizeable
One size fits all and
we work around it.
For Split systems in our climate:
1. Make the indoor coil bigger
2. Blow more air rather than less 425-450 cfm per ton
3. Condenser a little smaller
Only an experienced HVAC Contractor should make these
decisions
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WHERE TO PLACE ITPackage units go on the roof,
centrally located on the back side.
They are best mounted on a curb with the air blowing down thru the
curb.
Split Systems typically have the condenser outside on a slab, but it
can be on the roof.
The air handler, furnace can be in a closet, in the attic, basement, garage
or in a “doghouse” outside.
Concern is the possible CO or fire.
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WHERE TO PLACE ITWe really like to get the possible
products of combustion outside the envelope. That makes a package
unit on the roof a good idea.
Also building a dog house outside the envelope for the furnace accomplishes the same goal.
Propane has even more concerns as it is heavier than air. It will build up in a basement or even an attic with
potentially bad results.
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Mini-Split Air Conditioners and Heat Pumps
For over 35 years, Fujitsu has been making the hottest places cool and
the coolest places more comfortable.
BASICS OF MINI SPLITSHere are a few pages of the Fujitsu Mini
Split brochure. Full info at
Fujitsugeneral.com
Johnstone Supply is one of the distributors
of this equipment.
More info will be coming on these calls
as GreenEarthEquities builds one of these
systems
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The Allowable
Combinations make
the Fujitsu Mini Split
adaptable to most
residential
applications (even in
the US) if you have a
creative HVAC
Contractor who is
willing to go “outside
the box”
This is the combination we will be using on our 1350 sq ft home
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HVAC DECISION MAKINGQuestions?
Who’s made an offer this week?
Who’s got a problem property?
Are you using Cyberhomes.com?
Have you interviewed a realtor?
Have you found a good one?
Are they quick to run CMA’s for you?
Good deals are still out there.
I just made an offer.
Full price and I will hope for a haircut..... What a country...
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