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RELATED STORY: Life after death: When dying is an ordinary part of your working day RELATED STORY: The doctors who think it's become too hard to die RELATED STORY: Dying at home 'more peaceful, better for loved ones' PHOTO: The doulas say talking about death is important. (Flickr: Postman76) Print Email Facebook Twitter More Death doulas explain why everyone should have an end-of-life plan ABC Radio Melbourne By Nicole Mills Posted 7 Aug 2018, 7:00am PHOTO: Death doula Carmen Barnsley thinks people should talk more about death and be more informed about their options. (ABC News: Nicole Mills) A new breed of doulas are helping break down the fear around death, which they say shouldn't be a confronting word. Carmen Barnsley from Melbourne said just like birth doulas, death doulas were there to provide support, knowledge and assistance during times of upheaval and uncertainty. "I find it is just a privilege and a humbling experience to be where life enters this world and when life leaves it," the former nurse said. "Death is just as amazing an experience as birth is, but we celebrate birth and we deny death." Ms Barnsley has had her own experience with death. Her son died when he was five months old. While she was in the depths of numbing grief, the hospital handed over a Yellow Pages and told her and her husband they needed to pick a funeral parlour. It was the first of many conversations she had during the grieving process that made her realise that as a society, we need to start doing death better. "Some cultures do death beautifully. It's a reflection of the person's life, whereas I think we do it pretty poorly," she said. "The honest thing I can say about the doulas in my network is everyone has been through a personal process of death. "A lot of the doulas who are coming from personal experiences are coming from terrible personal experiences and were seeking answers to improve it so that doesn't happen to another person again." Emotions run high Ms Barnsley said her colleagues came from all walks of life, having worked as hospital chaplains, accountants, social workers, celebrants and in the funeral industry. She wants people to understand that knowledge is power, especially when it comes to death. "A death doula isn't about dying, it's about allowing that individual to live until they die. "I find when somebody puts a plan in place they will then live until they die, as ironic as that sounds." She recommends having conversations about death when you're young and healthy instead of leaving it until death approaches when emotions run high. "In the medical profession we have informed consent. I'd love for end-of-life issues to have informed choices. "I don't have a terminal disease but I have an advanced life care directive in place. "My doctor has got a copy; this is probably a little bit touchy at the moment, but mine is actually up on the [My Health Record] healthcare site ... so that any hospital in Australia can access my directive." The dying space The main thing Ms Barnsley wants people to know is that death doesn't have to be impersonal and there is no prescribed process to follow. "You don't need a funeral home, and some people don't even know that," she said. "You may need to get one to transport someone, but you can have a loved one at home, you can organise transport straight to burial or cremation or whatever the person's choice is. "[In the past] a family did care for loved ones dying; it wasn't in a hospital, it wasn't medicalised, it wasn't institutionalised and that was the norm. "But there became a fear factor with death; let's take it behind closed doors, we don't talk about it, and there's still people within our community that still have that." PHOTO: Melbourne death doula Bonita Ralph says talking about death is important. (ABC News: Nicole Mills) Bonita Ralph first came into contact with doulas when she was pregnant with her first child. Years later she read an article about the work of death doulas and realised it was a similar concept. "For me it was a very lightbulb moment where I went, 'Oh my God, of course that's the same thing'," she said. "It's the same sort of energy, the birthing space and the dying space." Ms Ralph comes from a community welfare and social justice background and sees the work of a death doula as an "in-between role" to help bridge the gap between the medical system and the community. "I think a lot of people think that when you're a doula, you're sitting at the bedside of someone who is dying, and that hasn't been my experience yet," she said. "I think that may come, it may not, and that's OK because I think the doula role, for me, is broader than that. "A doula is a companion, someone to walk with you, someone to support you in your choices and that absolutely applies to end-of-life care and death." Know your choices Ms Ralph said one of the best things people could do was spend time reflecting on their own experience with death and understand where their knowledge about death comes from. "I think we're moving really slowly towards acknowledging that if we don't have role models and experiences, then we actually don't know what to do," she said. "They need to know that it's not illegal to take someone who has died home. It's not illegal to organise your own funeral. You don't need a funeral director. It's a lot of work and maybe I wouldn't suggest it; logistically it's tricky, but it's not impossible. "People do dig their own graves, the graves of family members. That is not impossible. There are options out there." Ms Ralph said these options would not be for everyone, and while Australia was blessed to have a good medical system, it was important to know your choices. "I don't want people to feel like they're being forced or that there's a right or wrong way to do death," she said. "Death is so important because if you don't offer good support, if you don't offer genuine response to what that family needs, there's going to be complicated bereavement results because people don't move through and grow with their grief. They can get stuck." She said often people found it easier to talk openly about death with a doula, but she always encouraged people to have those same conversations at home so their next of kin understood their wishes. "Talking about death is not weird. It's important. "Ask anyone who has had to work through a complicated death process such as a tragic death or complicated families or someone has died and left everything undone and the family has to pick up the pieces. "Have these conversations when you're young and well and alive and engaged, and have these conversations ongoing because things change. Relationships change. Expectations change. So don't be afraid and keep having that conversation." Events are being held across Australia on August 8 for Dying to Know Day, which aims to start conversations around death, dying and bereavement. For more information and to find events near you visit the Dying to Know Day website. 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RELATED STORY: Life after death: When dying is an ordinarypart of your working day

RELATED STORY: The doctors who think it's become too hard todie

RELATED STORY: Dying at home 'more peaceful, better forloved ones'

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Death doulas explain why everyone should havean end-of-life planABC Radio Melbourne By Nicole Mills

Posted 7 Aug 2018, 7:00am

PHOTO: Death doula Carmen Barnsley thinks people should talk more about death and be more informed about their options.(ABC News: Nicole Mills)

A new breed of doulas are helping break downthe fear around death, which they say shouldn'tbe a confronting word.

Carmen Barnsley from Melbourne said just likebirth doulas, death doulas were there to providesupport, knowledge and assistance during times ofupheaval and uncertainty.

"I find it is just a privilege and a humbling experience to be where life enters this world and when lifeleaves it," the former nurse said.

"Death is just as amazing an experience as birth is, but we celebratebirth and we deny death."

Ms Barnsley has had her own experience with death. Her son died when he was five months old.

While she was in the depths of numbing grief, the hospital handed over a Yellow Pages and told her andher husband they needed to pick a funeral parlour.

It was the first of many conversations she had during the grieving process that made her realise that as asociety, we need to start doing death better.

"Some cultures do death beautifully. It's a reflection of the person's life, whereas I think we do it prettypoorly," she said.

"The honest thing I can say about the doulas in my network is everyone has been through a personalprocess of death.

"A lot of the doulas who are coming from personal experiences are coming from terrible personalexperiences and were seeking answers to improve it so that doesn't happen to another person again."

Emotions run highMs Barnsley said her colleagues came from allwalks of life, having worked as hospital chaplains,accountants, social workers, celebrants and in thefuneral industry.

She wants people to understand that knowledge ispower, especially when it comes to death.

"A death doula isn't about dying, it's about allowingthat individual to live until they die.

"I find when somebody puts a planin place they will then live until

they die, as ironic as that sounds."

She recommends having conversations about death when you're young and healthy instead of leaving ituntil death approaches when emotions run high.

"In the medical profession we have informed consent. I'd love for end-of-life issues to have informedchoices.

"I don't have a terminal disease but I have an advanced life care directivein place.

"My doctor has got a copy; this is probably a little bit touchy at the moment, but mine is actually up on the[My Health Record] healthcare site ... so that any hospital in Australia can access my directive."

The dying spaceThe main thing Ms Barnsley wants people to know is that death doesn't have to be impersonal and thereis no prescribed process to follow.

"You don't need a funeral home, and some people don't even know that," she said.

"You may need to get one to transport someone, but you can have a loved one at home, you canorganise transport straight to burial or cremation or whatever the person's choice is.

"[In the past] a family did care for loved ones dying; it wasn't in a hospital, it wasn't medicalised, it wasn'tinstitutionalised and that was the norm.

"But there became a fear factor with death; let's take it behind closed doors, we don't talk about it, andthere's still people within our community that still have that."

PHOTO: Melbourne death doula Bonita Ralph says talking about death is important. (ABC News: Nicole Mills)

Bonita Ralph first came into contact with doulas when she was pregnant with her first child.

Years later she read an article about the work of death doulas and realised it was a similar concept.

"For me it was a very lightbulb moment where I went, 'Oh my God, of course that's the same thing'," shesaid.

"It's the same sort of energy, the birthing space and the dying space."

Ms Ralph comes from a community welfare and social justice background and sees the work of a deathdoula as an "in-between role" to help bridge the gap between the medical system and the community.

"I think a lot of people think that when you're a doula, you're sitting at the bedside of someone who isdying, and that hasn't been my experience yet," she said.

"I think that may come, it may not, and that's OK because I think the doula role, for me, is broader thanthat.

"A doula is a companion, someone to walk with you, someone to supportyou in your choices and that absolutely applies to end-of-life care and

death."

Know your choicesMs Ralph said one of the best things people could do was spend time reflecting on their own experiencewith death and understand where their knowledge about death comes from.

"I think we're moving really slowly towards acknowledging that if we don't have role models andexperiences, then we actually don't know what to do," she said.

"They need to know that it's not illegal to take someone who has died home. It's not illegal to organiseyour own funeral. You don't need a funeral director. It's a lot of work and maybe I wouldn't suggest it;logistically it's tricky, but it's not impossible.

"People do dig their own graves, the graves of family members. That is not impossible. There are optionsout there."

Ms Ralph said these options would not be for everyone, and while Australia was blessed to have a goodmedical system, it was important to know your choices.

"I don't want people to feel like they're being forced or that there's a right or wrong way to do death," shesaid.

"Death is so important because if you don't offer good support, if you don't offer genuine response towhat that family needs, there's going to be complicated bereavement results because people don't movethrough and grow with their grief. They can get stuck."

She said often people found it easier to talk openlyabout death with a doula, but she alwaysencouraged people to have those sameconversations at home so their next of kinunderstood their wishes.

"Talking about death is not weird.It's important.

"Ask anyone who has had to work through acomplicated death process such as a tragic deathor complicated families or someone has died andleft everything undone and the family has to pickup the pieces.

"Have these conversations when you're young and well and alive and engaged, and have theseconversations ongoing because things change. Relationships change. Expectations change. So don't beafraid and keep having that conversation."

Events are being held across Australia on August 8 for Dying to Know Day, which aims to startconversations around death, dying and bereavement.

For more information and to find events near you visit the Dying to Know Day website.

Topics: death, grief, religion-and-beliefs, health, people, human-interest, community-and-society, melbourne-3000

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