9 June 1947

mf\TE?AL XCKINLEX : Gentlemen, t;hf s af ternoon we ?lave wit;; cs M r . Frank Bane. XY. Bane was educated a t Eanciolph-Xacon College and a t CKhmbiz. Univers i ty , Iie has had a. Zany a s s o c l : i 2 ~ i m wit:: ?ilbllc- i ~ e J f a r e work on both l o c a l and n a t i o n a l 19vnls .

I n %ne r e c e c t ;Tar XI-. Eane selvec! as D i r c c t o r cE t!<e l X ~ i . ~ l m of S t a t e and Local Coopzrakioon and %he L\dvisory C L m n , i s s L o n t o t k e Counc2.l of K a t i o r a l Defense. Be mas a l s o a asnber of t h e S i v i l i a r , P ~ o t e c t f on 3 0 ~ x 6 i n tine O f f i c e ol Civll-ian Defense; a l e o D i r e e t o r of F i e l d Oper'a- t i o n s f o r O.PA., arid as a me~.",~sr of tbe iiorxs %il iza ' r , ion %vision, Nat iona l Housing du%hori ty .

This a f t e rnoon Ilr. Bane 1511 spezik t o u s on t h e organiza-him and a'3.rLir,.lnis-ir:~ ti or, of t i le Off lee of' C i v i l i a n I)efense. I t2ke g r e z t plea- s . n e i n i n t r o d u c i n ~ ' l r . Eanc. (hppla?!,is e )

T 1 . 3 : General i.:cXlnley, gentlexen: , guess I cmdd s t a r k b e s t bg t e l l i r i g ycu a s t o r y 02 h(;w :mch o i t:-15s h a ~ p s n e d .

Early i n jupe 1940 I got a te lepkone c a l l f r o z a ger,-t.li.man Sy t h e nm-e of Knudsen sayir,g t h e Tres iden t ::ian-Le6 t o ham a neeti-ng of t2:e nevdv-ap~ointod c, - :?,cvLsor;,~ Comnission on F<&,io~ial Dsfense and van t sd t o t a l k about k o ~ tilo commissior, i t s e l f shoulrt, be orga.n?;zed am3 operated on t h e :Yashington levid; alsc %o d i s c u s s xha"ssi:cuid is; done 4 - t h r e s p e c t t o t h e S4;ates and l o c a l i t i e s .

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vie c<xne down t o l%,shington snd t L , e r e arou~:d thc table s ~ t seven : a m '7 * * .

--i beg your psrdon; s i x 2en and o m l;ornar,. ,ass l i a r r h t , ELX.c+,t handled the cmsllllic-r mi"; of it.

It i s -interesting t o remerJ~er ho.;r: l i t t l e they b%cl. ri.t, - that t iA!l&as contras. t& yyith t;?:_t? rc(n; LL,I.A r: devel.oprmnt v e r y SOOT? t i l e r ~ 2 f " i ~ r . It W L S de- termined t ha t soixetiiicg h d . -La be done b oorgar5.z~ %he courkry fa:- c ~ T & ~ u i a n - - def ensc; somethin@ i1a.d t o ba donc to conv2mo the coun-tqr 7i;o

wrs ca-!fronted -i..%th a s e r i o u s emergzrqr; z.nd sorxetl:ing a l s c had t o be dom t o develpp an adoinis t . ra i ; ive procednre f o r thc: Advisory Coin issLor ; i t s e l f .

So ?re did .;%at most people do i n Washirrgton ;.;hen confr3cterJ. ~1 'ch a hurry-UP Sob. 3i;e proceeded. t o beg, Sorroi;r, and stml a11 ,the nersonnel

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could boi-roxr f r o n Yne o ld - l ine agens ies asounc' t o z i . Years beL'ore, I had 'seen Dircctoj- of the Sos . i a l Seci?.rity 3oard. . So xc i.~ent, OVGY t o

nrrc.n;:emcnl 7iqtth all. of fhe s t a t e s v5ierr;by t h ~ governors o-? t h e s e v e r d

p l m v1riere'o;. you CGUM Toeus the ~ o l i c e officials of' ;:ajr p2r t i cu ia r= l o c a l i t j upon any ; c T t i c u l ~ r 'prob1..-a w'i-iich rr;iglit a r i s e , i n amy place,

Spcc iZica l ly , n plan v r m :::orired oil% i n il'cT,s- J e r s e y ~jllercby, - m d c r t h c cf i rect lon of t h c govcrr:or, pol-ice frmn X:;.ixxrlc could bo m ~ v e d t o Cxnden; . g o l i c e frox Trenton c,oi.~ld be movec! t o Hobolcerr; o r p o l i c e frcm XCK Jersey c o : ~ l d bc mo~jed over to Xmi Pork. In c:?.ch -i.nsJcance, when movecl:, t h e y worked under. t h e di.yzc-tion arid c o n t r o l , of course, of -the l o c d p o X c e c h i e f . Perkap:; you have t i z s t I L t t l a lac pmpblst or tha comtry--!jS.ic o r g a n i z a t i o n of po l i ce f o r c e s in your l l b r a r y lime n-k -5hc I.:kr Co'rl.t:ge.

&',.rectly -ths sarr,r; t:'lir7 4 .:a,:; 1::O~e i i i t l l T ' C : S ~ ; ' C ~ , to . f i ~ c . drx.angemcnts .wro me& -<;liercby xe cou1.d t r a n s f m cx?i?i2iJ;iouslg, from one city t o anbthar , the ffirc depsr-5merai;s; an'3 could t r m a f w from sta-tc %o s-Lzte t h e f i r e departm:nt s lt5tM.n t ho statc:; ,

E u . ~ %]:at go% us i . n t o trol1b2c' rri.ght off. thc: ba-t . Thc quest,i:m vm-- polii;Lcs111;f1 i ; l o yoil pL-::::st.t--a3su:'aj.ng wo -$mu'_d have t o do i?,, An-;; 7;rmld happer:, sh-?;ll I s:;y', j.n 3;ke c i t y of jVy,:.2:,:%: if t i i e L:zyor of ITeva~rld: c:,nd t h c Governor of ?:e~i Jerse;- a g e g d -Lo "crnnsfj.;? ;:, laalp g:;r'"c of thi; ::'%re dqar-f;m.eat fro^ Fe?;~;?_rr.k, i';e;:; Jr,rsc.-r ovc? -to I>::: Pork t ,o hariillc 3.r; c?x?ar- :.:> ,

gency s i t u a t i o n ai:d then, I n 2nd. bol:ol.d, ti?.(> bo;l:;crs v,hlrlci.i, aro:!nd. zmi c a m back and bonbsd l!t?-v::lrk? It, x;~,s r~x,llg R qncs+,i.r.,n as to lhat meld happon t o She !Jayor, y o l i t i x a l l y , 5.f he ~;T~:L!-C; cooperate in s x h 3 1.ir.ogram.

8 3 But it ksgponcd. i n Ins?: m z r .i;r!at tiley .;ep.-j, K&c or toss--y;eli, t h q r w r c rlaakq they agrricd t o tnke a chance. Thzy did riot ti.ii.~!c t h e r e T ~ T ~ S arq i .mcdie te probahilit;r c.f b<::ir:~ iomSe3, excep.t i n Piorf cilc, Virgi- ..-. nia. Novr, I d o n ' t kno:,: i,ketil-.r any of g e n t l ~ m e r ~ knw; Color le l -3or laad o r .- not , bui; he ~ ~ s e c i t.0 bc: 1;kt: Cj.-C,y r:lzn?,gi?r of i?orfo&, Vir@:+a. $ .-;-.* . .LLL -t; t o grz~~'::er schoc!, ;vi.l;h tho Cols~c?!. :i:c Xcrf o1.k :?l,z'liy ye2,ys ej_;o. 1ic :;;as . 9 - the City I.;aaager I n :iorfcl.X dur ing thc: .rj2c7r xxl had been f o r t on cr f ' i f - t e e n y e a r s .

* . AS ah';qfs h e p ~ e n s -;ken you DC:;;ill t o set. I:? 2 Z:ig, 25% orga.i?i.zatica . -.. . m vlashir@,o::, ever.;r sing!_e a..rs.;ncy .,., i:: -i;irs:li.x@on. that , 172s jet 11.13,- ".I mi? . - i",X?errie2 3-5 ti,.;ics cvcry c2;ivi:;ion .~i!i.i;hir: ~n3: sl.r:,~-le a.ji~ncy--i~;rr!<i:~ia,.te!.~j tit?v~lopc:! a f i e 1 2 s taff . 411 ::I ti:hm. sr-;nt, the5.y : ; co~ lc s\xt into th(? country tr: teE - b e ci-t;17 at3xinj.sf.y,~torS ani! stn-f,e ~&~yj.pj.s-tystor~ t n do.

n- incn, there m s a transporta$i.on prob1.e~: .ug ;?E.c~, do-:IT. ti:.zsc s t e p 2nd t h c s e l~ni?ni.sters, d.2;:- in ?n$. d.zy out. I -mndcrcd how long they i..~oulc! stmcl thxt !<ind of L,rcat::;en$. . .

I ;*m. ~ . @ t an eqeyi ; on - t h a t and, oi' course, Z have not been t h n r e am,?; loolcad a'; ti-Lc,m 332 cannct +,ell 79;j. ,"Ton persc:?;zl lmo~;:ledgc, bu t Ju",ing froz: 3,hs.t I raad, i n .t& ne.i.spaper3 2nd k~.~i:.?~ng so:ne%hi:?g about tile ~?i_ethod sf s a l s a&: pTomoi:io~. o_C Pirc . e~~ l ;S .pmz i t - - you have over been cor-fiected 7;b<th 3' c i t y goi.ernnc;.nt, ycij TLLIL !may;': x h a t I &TI t a l k i n g ;,,bdut--l ?i.;oa>d ~r_:f t?:e 2r.i; G ~ C U + , $0 one that those hose conncct i ens f rcm. j e r s q C .qjou;.< not, , fit t%e :)2.13.~~ .. - ii? So5oken.

A : I n develoging t i e p o l i c e p2.m Ymt I mentioned, . TS. worked v e r y c l o s c l y wi$h t i l e 3'. B.I . It hcly;ed :?eveloy ';he r c p x t , worked on the ::;hole plan, Lied 5.n x i t h L t from heg?ming t o 2nd.

h STXlETjT OFFICEB: Wiii.,t d o you -Lhink, shou.ld bc encompaa,.;ed Ir: a plzn f n r c iv i l tar , defmse? I jil:i~e thzb sonic of t k ~ T)TO$T3.!:15 A .. tixi% .were! c a r r i e d out 5l~j-lng last ":;Jr yroba'i.)ly ; ~ : ~ ~ ~ - ~ n o t a p ~ r o y i . a k . to .

, th2.t sort of thing. Ehat bmuli.?. you :; i! ggea l; sho::l!! 'Y: irzc!.uc!cd?

% .- - : ~:lit. BPUXv%: ?oEcc, fir'~, transportation, s d e c t i v e s e r d c c . . I do n ~ t kiav6 a broad intc:ryrc.tai;ini? 02 it, uiidcrst and 2 ,?.a1 tl.;i.n%:-

. . ing i n "Lrrns nf what should he. done by cj.+L!ia~:s on an oic.r.r;;:rr;g b?,s.is ---the c l ~ r i l i a n as c o n t r m t e d .v;ith t hc: Xi.li.t,~i.-y. T?LX-C sho:~.lC! nl.30 3e

.- i.ncl:~.&d coi-iservn.tihn :?r:~grtuas d a l l kincis anc! desc~i.]::ti.oris , V~I?XJ.TJS 9

ai.though 1 am i>v no, 'mans cer.tal.n of. th . i .o , air-raii! ~ a ~ d s n s and %.il.ijl.~s or, t h ~ t kind.

you think t r an spo r tx t i on in time' of VET, o r in corxiec-tior. ~r:;,*,h pknni r lg fcr war, shculd bc clividccl betmcn C i v i l l ? : ~ Ds.fzn.;s %id m y other Cover.?- n o ~ t Figency th2% may 5s givor~ the job of rmning it?

JI%. BANE: ildicn you sped; of t r r ? n s p o r % a t i m , arc 7017. tzl!:ii;f: ,zl;ov.t railroads, mc;or trans pol-%a t i an , *~nd so on?

A ST73EKT OFPIGEE: Ycs, sir.

i 6 : Are you t d k i n g about -;d-t.n.in G c e r t c ~ i n c i t y 3r 2.11 over tflc C O ~ Z ~ ~ T ~ ?

A STDENT O1;F'I:CER: A l l over the country.