#ukmeded twitter chat 18 oct 2012 tips for learning on clinical placements

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to the chat tonight! http://t.co

/ShmZsxm9

about 37 minutes ago RT

@neda1400: #ukmeded

clerking pts during on-call,presenting to the SHO, following

management then presenting on the

ward-round was great learning tool

about 42 minutes ago

@christipladycan you have a

look at #twitfrg ... they were looking

for a haematologist:) #ukmeded


@christipladycovers

everything... but today we were

talking about undergrads:)

#ukmeded


@Danielf90: #ukmeded It'salso useful for junior doctors to flag

up concerns about students EARLY

both with student and with

consultant supervisor.


#ukmeded Sorry I missed this

tonight. Does this hashtag cover

postgrad meded too?


@Dr_Derek_Jones: OT

community (educators & students)

should check out #ukmeded; lots of

common issues discussed,

opportunity for real inter prof

learning


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about 53 minutes ago @NHSwhistleblowr: @tcbtttc

@SarahMahmood3@amcunningham My daughter had to

tell student off on round recently. was texting. #ukmeded OMG!

about 55 minutes ago @DrBenRiley: .@drsimoncurtis It's

the new old adage: See 1, do 10, teach 100! #ukmeded so

true

about 55 minutes ago@BrianSMcGowan putting two tags in

every tweet is a hassle! #ukmeded worked well tonight:) the

old discussion http://t.co/ul8UBcgN

about 58 minutes ago@amcunningham - ok - thought the

noise may be rising to the level that a new hashtag wasworthy... #meded#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@BrianSMcGowan we thought we would

try new tag... but may go back:) #meded#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@BrianSMcGowan was thought therewould

be cross-contamination if we used #meded ...but looking at

it I see little in the timeslot #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@BrianSMcGowan I was happy to stick

with #meded but much discussion and others thought

#ukmeded better....

about 1 hour ago@amcunningham - why change the

hashtag? #meded#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@fakethom@amcunningham I've been

following all these #ukmeded tweets with great interest!#SLTjumpingonthebandwagon

about 1 hour ago@DundeePsych Good suggestion we will

add to the list! #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@nlafferty#ukmeded how about careers?

how do we give careers advice? how 2 help students decide

what specialty is right for them?


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about 1 hour ago@nisciocco@tcbtttc@fakethom

@LizzyFerret@Danielf90#ukmeded yes they are, but so are

we- learn from each other not argue re who is better

about 1 hour ago@DundeePsych We haven't decided yet,

but welcome suggestions for future topics :) #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago#ukmeded what's next week's topic?

about 1 hour ago RT @amcunningham: Involving medical

students in staff development activities http://t.co

/6ry3X0Zz Via @annalisamanca#ukmeded#meded

about 1 hour ago RT @mintygreenmedic: #ukmeded was

brilliant a bit like our med schools meet the faculty but you

feel like the message is getting across to some actual Drs!

about 1 hour ago@amcunningham also should have said -

introduce med st to ward teams properly and nurses will be

more helpful! #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @amcunningham: Involving medicalstudents in staff development activities http://t.co

/6ry3X0Zz Via @annalisamanca#ukmeded#meded

about 1 hour ago@DrBenRileygreat idea, will try and

arrange this during current GP rotation as do struggle with

practical baby q's from new mums! #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago Involving medical students in staff

development activities http://t.co/6ry3X0Zz Via@annalisamanca#ukmeded#meded

about 1 hour ago#ukmeded oh yeah i totally know what this

means

about 1 hour ago@mgacsm here it is http://t.co/xzwMGvVn

@neda1400@nlafferty#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @nlafferty: @Duncan_Ross You can find out


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more here https://t.co/Pjj1hgFn and here http://t.co

/3B3vJNrx#ukmeded We'll be back next week.

about 1 hour ago@Duncan_Ross You can find out more

here https://t.co/Pjj1hgFn and here http://t.co/3B3vJNrx

#ukmeded We'll be back next week.

about 1 hour ago RT @mintygreenmedic: #ukmeded was

brilliant a bit like our med schools meet the faculty but you


about 1 hour ago@chebbes Thanks for joining in! #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @mintygreenmedic: #ukmeded wasbrilliant a bit like our med schools meet the faculty but you


about 1 hour ago@LizzyFerret Great to have you back and

now I can follow up with you more easily now that you're

back in Dundee :) #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago#ukmeded was brilliant a bit like our med

schools meet the faculty but you feel like the message is

getting across to some actual Drs!

about 1 hour ago thanks to all involved in #ukmeded Great

to take part in it again! #twitfrg also v useful :)

about 1 hour ago@DrDLittle Glad you joined us, it was good

to have some familiar faces :) #ukmeded@AnnalisaManca

@amcunningham

about 1 hour ago@Duncan_Ross read all here http://t.co

/EFmjO8fY#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@JLM_drivel@lizzyferret@tcbtttc

@danielf90@fakethom I think only on starting anaes did I

learn to draw up drugs or hang fluids #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago#ukmeded...don't try and know everything, keep a


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sense of humour, be kind and compassionate, win the

lottery, retire early

about 1 hour ago@Sammy_Lou@nisciocco would also solve

prob of spending x hrs filling forms = summative reward but

x hrs seeing pts unrewarded #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago Thanks to @nlaffertyand

@amcunningham for behind the scenes #ukmeded

Stimulating debate. Time to have a read by the fire before bed!

about 1 hour ago What's the #ukmeded hashtag all about? I

feel like I've missed something...

about 1 hour ago it's great to have a new set of people joiningin with #ukmeded chat... and of course lovely to see the 'old'

faces too:)

about 1 hour ago@AnnalisaManca@nlafferty

@amcunningham yep, thanks to both. Glad I was online.

#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago Wow. Loads of followers from #ukmeded

chat! Welcome aboard! =)

about 1 hour ago RT @nlafferty: Thanks to everyone who

joined in #ukmeded chat, feel free to continue & add your

tips to our G+ post for tonight's chat http://t.co/WRID3Ds7

about 1 hour ago@nisciocco@tcbtttc@fakethom

@LizzyFerret@faejones@Danielf90#ukmeded that's a very

wrong and insulting generalisation! Teamwork, guys...

about 1 hour ago#ukmeded chat was great tonight! Thanks

all :)

about 1 hour ago@nisciocco@tcbtttc@fakethom@faejones

@Danielf90 well I and @DundeePsych would want to beg to

differ I'm sure :P #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @nlafferty: Thanks to everyone who joined in


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#ukmeded chat, feel free to continue & add your tips to our

G+ post for tonight's chat http://t.co/WRID3Ds7

about 1 hour ago@amcunningham You too! :) I'm glad we

finally got round to starting up again :) #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @nlafferty: Thanks to everyone who

joined in #ukmeded chat, feel free to continue & add your

tips to our G+ post for tonight's chat http://t.co/WRID3Ds7

about 1 hour ago Enjoyed #ukmeded chat - reminded me of

#tipsfornewdocs

about 1 hour ago Thanks to everyone who joined in

#ukmeded chat, feel free to continue & add your tips to ourG+ post for tonight's chat http://t.co/WRID3Ds7

about 1 hour ago@LizzyFerret@tcbtttc@Danielf90

@fakethom def agree. 3wks nursing unit too much but wld

love 2 lrn basic courtesy lvl nrsing tasks #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@nisciocco looks really good as a record

too in your portfolio! #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@tcbtttc@fakethom@LizzyFerret

@faejones@Danielf90 Nurses often communicate better

with the patients than most doctors. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @Danielf90: #ukmeded Students -

don't roll your eyes and look disinterested if you're asked to

get involved. We'd rather you weren't there in that case.

about 1 hour ago@mgacsm@neda1400@nlaffertyit

definitely does, more realistic and requires a greater effort.

Trying to find the paper... #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @fakethom Excellent discussion from

all, I've certainly learnt stuff I will use! Thanks everyone (esp

@amcunningham )! #ukmeded Agreed!

about 1 hour ago RT @AnnalisaManca: great #ukmeded chat


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tonight, I've enjoyed reading through - thanks to the great

moderators! @nlafferty@amcunningham

about 1 hour ago@nlaffertyit did indeed fly by:) well done!

#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@DrDLittle excellent point, thank u r fab 4

junior drs portfolios, chocolate is tasty but nice thank u card

worth weight in gold #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago great #ukmeded chat tonight, I've enjoyed

reading through - thanks to the great moderators!

@nlafferty@amcunningham

about 1 hour ago@AnnalisaManca@neda1400@nlaffertyworks well - helps students develop feedback skills,

strengthens idea experts thru experience #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@tablet_girl Looks like we might need to

change the time so as not to clash with #ukmeded!

about 1 hour ago@tcbtttc@Danielf90@fakethom rather

than letting the place get flooded as "thats a nurses job" such

a shadowing shift would help #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@tcbtttc@fakethom@LizzyFerret

@faejones@Danielf90 not here they don't- in my ward docs

and nurses all get loads of time with pts #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @amcunningham: Imagine that is an

hour of#ukmeded chat over already! You can continue and

see our G+ page :) http://t.co/EFmjO8fY

about 1 hour ago@mgacsm gosh- that's a complex thought

for a tweet:) #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@h_jones21 Absolutely right, look for less

obvious sources of learning, half a day with a radiologist or

micro could be gold mine #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@nlaffertyyes, me too #ukmeded


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about 1 hour ago Broaden your questioning repertoire

beyond 'what' - why, when, who, which,how get to more

complex types of thinking and reasoning #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@mgacsm@neda1400@nlaffertyYep -

have started doing peer observation recently. Really useful.

#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @Sammy_Lou: Use reflections to help

work out learning points from difficult days/patients. Also

just to clear your own thoughts! #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @nlafferty: #ukmeded chat has flown

by tonight, great to see so many new people joining in, we'llbe posting summary of the key points & the transcript

about 1 hour ago@AnnalisaManca Have reported as a

spammer #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @amcunningham: Imagine that is an

hour of#ukmeded chat over already! You can continue and

see our G+ page :) http://t.co/EFmjO8fY

about 1 hour ago oh no... first scam :( #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@fakethom great- we'll try and draw out

some summary learning points from this great discussion!

#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago#ukmeded chat has flown by tonight, great

to see so many new people joining in, we'll be postingsummary of the key points & the transcript

about 1 hour ago#ImAttractedTo#20factsaboutmysister

#gma12 #ukmeded#AskDale Watch me Fcuk at http://t.co

/TEDVjNVh its FREE :-)

about 1 hour ago@tcbtttc@thefourthcraw Really? If I was

in the wrong, I hope I'd accept it rather than plead bullying -


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professionalism #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago Structured observation great clin teaching

tool - prime to observe carefully, analyse and interpret

#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago but you just sort of said that nurses just

empty stuff in the sluice :-) #ukmeded@LizzyFerret

@danielf90@fakethom

about 1 hour ago Excellent discussion from all, I've certainly

learnt stuff I will use tomorrow! Thanks everyone (esp

@amcunningham ) - must dash! #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @amcunningham: .@neda1400 Greatresources for faculty development in #meded from London

Deaneryhttp://t.co/N0nNcPZg#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago Imagine that is an hour of#ukmeded chat

over already! You can continue and see our G+ page :)

http://t.co/EFmjO8fY

about 1 hour ago@amcunningham Role of SocMed like

#ukmeded in professional development? Students definitely

interact with SocMed, less so with 'portfolio'..

about 1 hour ago@mgacsm@neda1400 Manchester

Medical School "used" students for staff development in

teaching @nlafferty#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@fakethom in my old job students had no

access to anything - used to drive me mad! How are theyexpected to look at imaging? #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@DrDLittle love a bit of PACS - especially

since I worked out the contrast controls and the fancy

side-by-side display#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @mgacsm: @neda1400@nlaffertyhow

about doing some peer observation of teaching with

colleagues and students. - improve together #ukmeded


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about 1 hour ago Use reflections to help work out learning

points from difficult days/patients. Also just to clear your

own thoughts! #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago Nurses actually talk to the patients for

longer than the docs do #ukmeded@fakethom@lizzyferret

@faejones@danielf90

about 1 hour ago@DrDLittle we're given access, if not

should be reasonable for it to be arranged. So useful, esp for

presentations etc #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @amcunningham: .@neda1400 Great

resources for faculty development in #meded from LondonDeaneryhttp://t.co/N0nNcPZg#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@fakethom@anthphowe we wanted to

start with a non-techy topic to show potential of#ukmeded

:)

about 1 hour ago RT @pollygary: @Danielf90: In med

school, we all had to shadow a nurse/do a nursing shift. SO.

WORTH. IT. #ukmeded> great idea from your med school

about 1 hour ago@chebbes Ill be interested to compare the

views of the 1st & 2nd years Im tutoring. my previous exp is

confidence dips! #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@neda1400@nlaffertyhow about doing

some peer observation of teaching with colleagues and

students. - improve together #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@h_jones21 hospice or going round with

palliative care may help readjust perceptions of care for the

patient, not just conditions #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@neda1400 We have staff development

courses, cert meded etc, also included in undergrad

curriculum, #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago .@Danielf90@iamdoctord@nlaffertyMoving


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frequently btw teams also makes developing clinical

leadership skills more challenging #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @anthphowe: I learnt early not to be

afraid to ask the 'naive' questions. Sometimes they are far

more relevant than you'd think. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago .@neda1400 Great resources for faculty

development in #meded from London Deaneryhttp://t.co

/N0nNcPZg#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago Another tip for students - try (often not

easy) to get access to hospital systems (bloods, PACS

(imaging)) - so often untapped. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago @Danielf90: In med school, we all had to

shadow a nurse/do a nursing shift. SO. WORTH. IT.

#ukmeded> great idea from your med school

about 1 hour ago@DrDLittle yes, and F1 etc don't be afraid

to ask for emails to do portfolio feedback stuff - always

happy to do. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @nisciocco: #ukmeded students

clerking new patients to present on ward round - really

useful learning experience too.

about 1 hour ago Just wait, you'll find out....fact of life alas

@LizzyFerret@fakethom@danielf90#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @neda1400: @nlaffertyHow do

doctors improve their medical teaching skills? I find itdifficult to get much support in this. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@anthphowe@amcunningham it seems

iPads ok but phones not, based on what their perceived use

is. Anyway, I'll save that!! #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@neda1400 all medical schools in UK are

putting effort into developing #ukmeded skills of tutors...

GMC directive:)


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about 1 hour ago@EilidhPinkChic Actually nominating Prof

Nathwani's a great idea, he sponsors the awards through

ACT but he deserves one! #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@nlafferty@DrDLittle Talk of study

budget being taken in by deaneries and used teach rather

than filling hospital pockets. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@fakethom@amcunningham Definitely

scope for this, discussions have happened on LinkedIn, not

as far reaching on Twitter as todays #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago .@drsimoncurtis It's the new old adage: See

1, do 10, teach 100! #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@nlaffertyHow do doctors improve their

medical teaching skills? I find it difficult to get much support

in this. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @neda1400: #ukmeded clerking pts

during on-call, presenting to the SHO, following

management then presenting on the ward-round was great learning

tool

about 1 hour ago RT @Danielf90: #ukmeded Students -

don't roll your eyes and look disinterested if you're asked to

get involved. We'd rather you weren't there in that case.

about 1 hour ago@JLM_drivel@h_jones21 Agree top down

approach won't work but would be good if could help

facilitate dialogue & sharing of info #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@nlafferty@h_jones21 there are also a

number of courses run to help teachers eg UCL TIPs

courses/PG modules. COI: I run some! #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@nlaffertyGeneral rule: If you find

someone smiling, who says hello, start there. They are

probably willing to help/teach you. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago Students - provide feedback and thanks (card,


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letter, bar of chocolate) for doctors who teach you well, this

will encourage them! #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@fakethom no we haven't done this

already... and will definitely add to the list:) #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@nisciocco Thank you, I will do! :) Want to

get involved but don't want to get in the way! - How do you

keep a good balance? #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@iamdoctord@nlaffertyThe problem is

that juniors move so often that there's not often continuity.

#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@butlerceri I met my tutees today -interesting talk about getting the most out of school,

objectives and backgrounds. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago Theme of the day as thread of continuity in

opportunistic setting eg trace pt reporting of drug side

effects and match to bnf#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago Perhaps a future discussion regarding

technology (smartphones/iPads etc) on wards? (If not done

already!!) #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago#ukmeded Students - don't roll your eyes

and look disinterested if you're asked to get involved. We'd

rather you weren't there in that case.

about 1 hour ago Well, this is a wonderful #ukmeded

discussion! Any ideas about future topics?

about 1 hour ago RT @philaberry: #ukmeded A student on

ward for the first time will remember his/her initial

interaction with a consultant FOREVER! So make it nice...

about 1 hour ago .@tcbtttc@fakethom@Danielf90 ?? With

a foot in both camps I can't really begin to agree with that.

#ukmeded


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about 1 hour ago@nlaffertyI have seen the threat of

withdrawal of money have a dramatic effect. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @philaberry: #ukmeded A student on

ward for the first time will remember his/her initial

interaction with a consultant FOREVER! So make it nice...

about 1 hour ago@Sammy_Lou sounds good, always

thought we should 'clock-in' and out like nursing students.

Get annoyed at students who skive. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@nlaffertyyes, provided it doesn't mean

enthusiastic ones left to carry the load alone. Perhaps

partition time for them to teach #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago#ukmeded A student on ward for the first

time will remember his/her initial interaction with a

consultant FOREVER! So make it nice...

about 1 hour ago@LizzyFerret@faejones@Danielf90 that's

a little short sighted to what nurse do I think. Also their roles

in a&e/triage etc #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago yes I have them on my ITU ward rounds

but can say nothing #ukmeded@NHSwhistleblowr

@sarahmahmood3@amcunningham

about 1 hour ago@Danielf90@fakethom@LizzyFerret

#ukmeded better 2 get job as care worker! I still use skills

from nursing home work 12 yr l8r as psych reg

about 1 hour ago@fakethom@Danielf90 well in nursingterms thats 3 shifts... still not sure thats entirely necessary

but better than three weeks. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@h_jones21 GMC introducing new

guidelines/framework on teaching and ensuring doctors

trained to teach #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @jonjhilton: @Sammy_Lou if I had a


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minimum number of hours I could pick and choose more

freely when I could be in placement #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago Esp useful for women med students as

female nurses will treat you differently from men #ukmeded

@LizzyFerret@fakethom@danielf90

about 1 hour ago@Sammy_Lou My GF is a nurse and

during her training she picked when she "worked" - would

love to do that! #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago Im meeting my new MBBS tutees next

week & looking forward to exploring some of these issues

with them #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@iamdoctord@DrDLittle@nisciocco yes.

Anything to ensure you don't get overwhelmed!! #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@amcunningham Some of the friendliest

experiences I've had at my diabetes clinic have been with

Medical Students, very interested #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@DrDLittle Yes, I know its a constant bone

of contention with many#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @Danielf90: In med school, we all had

to shadow a nurse/do a nursing shift. SO. WORTH. IT.

#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@jonjhilton@chebbes in theory yes if they

are getting paid for it! #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@faejones@fakethom@Danielf90 useful

to know how to empty a bottle in the sluice yes, but you dont

need three weeks to learn it #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@Sammy_Lou if I had a minimum number

of hours I could pick and choose more freely when I could be

in placement #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@chebbes absolutely,I have torn my hair out on a


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few placements with RE:learning,have felt few hrs in library

would've been better! #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@h_jones21 Completely agree! Experience

of different clinical environments can be key for those

disillusioned with tertiary centres #UKmeded

about 1 hour ago@Danielf90 Our studentn feedback forms

now all include opportunity to highlight good teachers &

nominate 4 award #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@nlafferty@h_jones21 jrs keen 2 teach cld

post on uni medstud forums. again, nt sure top down rating

system wld b accurate/useful #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@DrDLittle@nisciocco@fakethom

dedicate yourself to one area e.g. minors for fixed time, then

rotate often to avoid boredom! #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago I worked as a nursing auxiliary in my

university holidays. Invaluable learning #ukmeded

@LizzyFerret@fakethom@danielf90

about 1 hour ago#ukmeded try and arrange regular bedside

teaching even if the juniors/consultants don't take the

initiative.

about 1 hour ago@nlaffertyoften depends on having a good

control of where the money goes - in my limited experience,

this is rare. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago .@fakethom@Danielf90 rounds, dressingchanges etc etc. but apart from that... #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@thechadologist where are you studying?

#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@fakethom@LizzyFerret I think 3 weeks is

excessive + nurses have to agree to be lumbered with us for

that long. #ukmeded


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about 1 hour ago@Danielf90@neda1400@nlaffertyAlways

filling out feedback forms (from postgrad)& given email to

F1, portfolio feedback if wanted. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@DrBenRileyin 3rd week yr1 we have

already visited patient in comm w/social work students.

Their perspective on Hx taking v useful #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @NHSwhistleblowr: @tcbtttc

@SarahMahmood3@amcunningham My daughter had to

tell student off on round recently. She was texting. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago I used to organise that for our ITU trainees

VERY good for inter professional understanding #ukmeded@rdjfraser@danielf90@nurchat

about 1 hour ago@chebbes@drdlittle i always thought it

was clinician preference (with a bit of monetary incentive...)

#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago .@fakethom@Danielf90 deffo useful to

spend a little time with them doing key elements of their

day. But DEF not 2-3 weeks! #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@LizzyFerret@fakethom@Danielf90

Basic #nursing skills can help you feel useful on wards &

important to understand all role of MDT #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@nlaffertyI think ensuring a good policy of

'training to train' - good support for teachers so they can

maximise teaching ability#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@mgacsm@danielf90 plus an

understanding what other healthcare pro's do, and where

you fit in to the big picture #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@chebbes@drdlittle this is news to me -

doesn't this mean *all* cons should have students?

#ukmeded


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about 1 hour ago Reading the #ukmeded tweets is so

interesting

about 1 hour ago@fakethom@Danielf90#ukmeded And

vice-versa

about 1 hour ago@tcbtttc@SarahMahmood3

@amcunningham My daughter had to tell student off on

round recently. She was texting. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@LizzyFerret@fakethom@Danielf90 I did

a week, but kept getting told by the nurses to go join the DRs

on WR!! #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@LizzyFerret@Danielf90 really? Gets used

to ward environment, learn skills, improve pt

communication and appreciation for nurses #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@jonjhilton At the time it felt like a lot of

time on placement,esp when other deadlines,but so

beneficial with hindsight #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @nisciocco: @DrDLittle@iamdoctord@Danielf90@fakethom Less busy in the mornings though!

Even just shadowing a dr can be useful #ukmeded



#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@DrDLittle Think this is tightening up with

measurement of teaching etc and funding may well bewithdrawn #ukmeded Is it worse post qual?

about 1 hour ago Need to remind ourselves that work is the

curriculum for learning - don't take away from patients to

teach patient care - #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@mgacsm@danielf90 and follow a pt

through their journey through the health system - great


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revelations #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@Danielf90 very curious, what was the

benefit? #ukmeded#RNchat@NurChat

about 1 hour ago but the non consultants have to lookinterested too otherwise we just go on in a business ward

round style @DrDLittle@jonjhilton#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago Clinical teaching shouldnt just be limited to

hospital/GP..as student one of my best learning experiences

was day spent at hospice #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@neda1400@nlaffertyI agree - I put in

LOADS of effort with our med students. Would be nice toknow if I'm doing a good job. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @roopa_patel: #ukmeded Help the

juniors, but make sure it's a give-and-take relationship. It's

good for their learning too. But don't become their lackey!

about 1 hour ago Most departments paid to deliver teaching -

if they're not this money should be withdrawn - things would

soon improve. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago .@fakethom@Danielf90 2-3 WEEKS? are

you kidding? not at all necessary. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago I need a wee so bad but this #ukmeded is

too interesting. Aaaaaahh - #whattodo

about 1 hour ago#ukmeded Help the juniors, but make sureit's a give-and-take relationship. It's good for their learning

too. But don't become their lackey!

about 1 hour ago@h_jones21 I know, just wonder if there's

more that med schools could be doing to support students.

#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @Dr_Derek_Jones: OT community

(educators & students) should check out #ukmeded; lots of


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common issues discussed, opportunity for real inter prof learning

about 1 hour ago RT @DrDLittle: If feeling brave - consider

'upside down' ward round where student/junior leads and

consultant writes in the notes. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@DrDLittle was also the only morning

ward round we were allowed on so very annoying when it

wasn't done #ukmeded



#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@chebbes@jonjhilton but it isn't alwayslike that, in fact, often only the minority are truly interested.

#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@nlaffertyNot sure med school is right

level here. Rest assured that we students have own pathways

to communicate this! #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@DrDLittle yeah, training courses + annual

leave - just happened to fall on Wednesdays a few weeks

running #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@Danielf90 so did we. Amazingly useful

experience. I think students should do 2-3 week nursing

placement at start of clinical yrs #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @mgacsm: @Danielf90 agree! Shadow

a patient works well - powerful if they have communicationproblems eg dysphasia #ukmeded



#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@Danielf90#ukmeded great stuff-

students on placement with us can shadow ward nurses,

CPNs, OT, psychologist, ward physio + more


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about 1 hour ago@Danielf90@amcunningham totally agree

that shadowing/working with nurses is one of best

approaches to learn how systems work. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@DrBenRileyI think inter professional

learning and exchange should be pushed #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@Danielf90 agree! Shadow a patient works

well - powerful if they have communication problems eg

dysphasia #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@nlaffertyJunior doctors should have

more support / guidance and even maybe monitored

feedback on teaching med students #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@jonjhilton@Sammy_Lou Exactly doctors

need to be interested enough in the students to let us slow

their wrs for things like this. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@Danielf90 interesting, should get our

students doing that! #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago In final year we are all assigned to an F1and ward for a placement. Already feel much more engaged.

First real bit of continuity#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@Danielf90 as a former nurse I'm not sure

I'd entirely agree. Maybe a few elements of their day but not

the whole thing. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@ambulancemandan Agree, I know our

students really enjoy their stint with the paramedics.#ukmeded chat

about 1 hour ago#Ukmeded I feel many Drs forget how

overwhelming hospitals can be for students. We often have

disjointed timetables; it's easy to feel lost!




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#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@nlaffertythink students tend to chat

amongst themselves and seek out the best teachers anyway!

#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago this is great! RT @Danielf90: In med

school, we all had to shadow a nurse/do a nursing shift. SO.

WORTH. IT. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@DrDLittle@jonjhilton All should be - it's

part of their job - GMC Duties of a doctor and the consultant

contract #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@anthphowe It's so easy as a Dr to shrug &say "well, it's their problem, not mine" but it *IS* my

problem if u're not performing. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago As an F1 my advice would be, do ward

rounds with the juniors and not just consultants as you'll be

expected to do them alone soon! #ukmeded



#ukmeded Sounds like a great idea!

about 1 hour ago@DrDLittle@iamdoctord@Danielf90

@fakethom Less busy in the mornings though! Even just

shadowing a dr can be useful #ukmeded


to shadow a nurse/do a nursing shift. SO. WORTH. IT.#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@xS4llyx lol thought it said #ukmedd

instead of#ukmeded

about 1 hour ago In med school, we all had to shadow a

nurse/do a nursing shift. SO. WORTH. IT. #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@nlaffertyworkload varies, we recommend a few


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constants e.g. transplant clinic, monday ward round, junior

doc teaching #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @butlerceri 'All teachers can and

should learn from their students.Teaching, like research, is a

two-way process for me.' Agree #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago@Sammy_Lou But possible to attend

without it being useful learning. Depends on individual

learning styles, thats another debate #ukmeded

about 1 hour ago RT @amcunningham: hey#ukmeded is

trending in the UK... no 3:)

about 2 hours ago@Danielf90 Agree. Id like to know if Iwasnt approaching something right/wasnt performing

properly and correct ASAP with guidance. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago I advise start to do by asking what am I

doing today - then what can med student do with me,

instead of me and watching me #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@jonjhilton definitely depends on having

a consultant who is interested. Otherwise you've no chance.

#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded@NHSwhistleblowr

@sarahmahmood3@amcunningham if people look

interested on the ward rounds the time is more useful

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded Can med schools be doing

more to highlight which Drs are keen and most supportiveon attachments/wards?

about 2 hours ago@DrDLittle@fakethom ...that i had to

turn teaching away as I didn't have time for it all. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@Sammy_Lou I'd like to have this, at the

moment I just have to be in enough for my consultant to

deem it "acceptable" #ukmeded


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about 2 hours ago Doctors/MedStus can learn lots from

range of professionals as well as other doctors - nurses,

pharmacists, physios, and more... #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@DrDLittle@iamdoctord@nisciocco

@Danielf90 introduce to nurse in charge. Find 1 doctor to

guide you and focus on one or two pts #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago When you see a patient always write out a

differential diagnosis and a management plan, then compare

it to what the actual plan is #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago RT @Dr_Derek_Jones: OT community

(educators & students) should check out #ukmeded; lots ofcommon issues discussed, opportunity for real inter prof learning

about 2 hours ago@Dr_Derek_Jones thanks for

encouraging wide participation... we love OTs:) #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@DrDLittle@iamdoctord@nisciocco

@fakethom It's about finding a keen doctor who'll let you

clerk a patient. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@Danielf90@fakethom that is easier said

than done for most students, I wish I'd been more assertive

as a student. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago RT @Dr_Derek_Jones: OT community

(educators & students) should check out #ukmeded; lots of

common issues discussed, opportunity for real inter prof learning

about 2 hours ago@docnicknicksame here. Really usefuland enjoyable (if a little scary!) #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago RT @m0102940: If you are on a surgical

attachment visit the anaesthetic room we'll ensure you can

cannulate with the best of them #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago Love that #UKMedEd is trending! As a

student I feel it's something Drs of all ages should engage in


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& also poorly understood by the public!

about 2 hours ago@DrDLittle other 4 consultants didn't

seem to care about teaching, as we were only under 1

consultant they didn't want us #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago OT community (educators & students)

should check out #ukmeded; lots of common issues

discussed, opportunity for real inter prof learning

about 2 hours ago With regards to students attending

placements- we had set minimum hrs for each placement

which if not met meant not passing #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded It's also useful for juniordoctors to flag up concerns about students EARLY both with

student and with consultant supervisor.

about 2 hours ago@iamdoctord@nisciocco@Danielf90

@fakethom MAU and A&E often very busy though... any tips

to get around that? #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded@iamdoctord Is a timetable,

would it be helpful to know what opportunities not to miss,

which staff can be most help etc

about 2 hours ago RT @m0102940: If you are on a surgical

attachment visit the anaesthetic room we'll ensure you can

cannulate with the best of them #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@kittcott Explanation of how you got

from the info presented to your plan is so helpful or get us towork thru it ourselves! #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@elinlowri@Danielf90 Feeling useful

AND appreciated are key to happiness & lifelong learning at

whatever grade. Not just at work#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@fakethom@iamdoctord@nisciocco

@Danielf90 did you request the MRI ;) #ukmeded


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about 2 hours ago If you are on a surgical attachment visit

the anaesthetic room we'll ensure you can cannulate with the

best of them #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@RichSwitch glad to hear you have made

a good recovery:) #ukmeded#crohns

about 2 hours ago RT @anthphowe: +ve of discussing

#ukmeded is that those at start get great tips for future, but

those teaching can learn from their students. Full circle.

about 2 hours ago@amcunningham@flobach all teachers

can and should learn from their students. Teaching, like

research, is a two-way process for me. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded I dont do dead bodies...im

sorry...I prefer living woman...not dead people....I am not

Jimmy Savile!!!

about 2 hours ago@mintygreenmedic sorry I didn't see the

clerking bit!! Yes of course :) #multitasking#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@docnicknickAfter 1 day, I saw ALL myown patients in GP. Patient wrote in to say what great care

I'd given them! #ProudestMoment#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@amcunningham#ukmeded I myself

have #crohns and have just been discharged from

Huddersfield Hospital today after 8 days in.

about 2 hours ago@DrDLittle if the consultant who signed

off the students wasn't there then we were ignored andshunned to the side lines #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago .@nisciocco@DrDLittle Dont you have

something like that most weeks in Comm Skills sessions?

#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@iamdoctord@nisciocco@Danielf90 had

a great experience with start to finish management of ?cauda


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equina in A&E yesterday. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago RT @anthphowe: +ve of discussing

#ukmeded is that those at start get great tips for future, but

those teaching can learn from their students. Full circle.

about 2 hours ago RT @amcunningham: I'm learning from

students all the time:) #ukmeded T @flobach:

@amcunningham something qualified docs can learn from their

students!

about 2 hours ago RT @nlafferty: Interested in #MedEd why

not join us for the #ukmeded chat at 9pm this evening

looking at how to get the best from clinical attachments

about 2 hours ago +ve of discussing #ukmeded is that those

at start get great tips for future, but those teaching can learn

from their students. Full circle.

about 2 hours ago@chebbes Hi Chris - welcome to

#ukmeded chat

about 2 hours ago Adopting a patient as your own&

presenting everyday on ward round- get to know the patient

so well&track their treatment throughout #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@jonjhilton what made them terrible?

#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@DrDLittle we all clerked a pt to present -

in 6 weeks it happened twice #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago Bit late to the party, but multitasking.

Chris, ST3 in Anaesthetics in Leics / Education fellow /

Personal tutor / MMedSci (MedEd) #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago What are your tips for getting the most

out of clinical placements as a medical student? #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago RT @docofagesSophie: #ukmeded keep

up with your patients. Go with them to tests.A familiar


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friendly face can reassure and is important role.

about 2 hours ago@nisciocco@amcunningham I like to

help too. I need good young docs ! Important! #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@DrDLittle that would be good too.Dedicated teaching clinics are great too - where Dr observes

student take hx & examination. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@DrDLittle Wednesday morning was

teaching ward round of my surgery placement last year

#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago RT @nlafferty: #ukmeded

@DundeePsych has been asking students to leave a tip forother students at end of placement, anyone else doing anything

similar?

about 2 hours ago RT @docofagesSophie: #ukmeded keep

up with your patients. Go with them to tests.A familiar

friendly face can reassure and is important role.

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded RT @Bigscout:

@amcunningham yes, asked permission and gave me a DRE

immediately after consultant, definitely broke the ice. ;o)

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded In GP practice we have student

clinics where students see pt first then we come in after

presented and formed opinion. (5th yr)

about 2 hours ago@DrDLittle good in theory but I've been

on some terrible "teaching" ward rounds #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded@DundeePsych has been

asking students to leave a tip for other students at end of

placement, anyone else doing anything similar?

about 2 hours ago @anniecoops: @amcunningham med

students seem to listen more carefully, display high regard

#ukmededneed to maintain that at all cost


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about 2 hours ago@elinlowri Hello :) We saw you on the

#ukmeded chat and had to follow. Hope you're enjoying

yourself.

about 2 hours ago Interested in UK Medical Education?

Follow@amcunningham and #ukmeded taking place now.

Interesting discussion.

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded keep up with your patients. Go

with them to tests.A familiar friendly face can reassure and

is important role.

about 2 hours ago RT @amcunningham: I'm learning from

students all the time:) #ukmeded T @flobach:@amcunningham something qualified docs can learn from their

students!

about 2 hours ago@nisciocco@Danielf90@fakethom MAU

/ A&E excellent opportunities to learn, get practical skills,

show enthusiasm! #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago As an F1 our med students helped

learn/do cannulation and phlebotomy in return for teachingthem.They have to be assessed first now#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago RT @RichSwitch: @amcunningham

#ukmeded patient sometimes feels out of the loop (perhaps)

there are good opportunities to explore and understand why.

about 2 hours ago As a student PA, I took part in ward

rounds the same as med students-not being afraid to get

stuck in& write in the notes v.helpful #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago RT @Danielf90: #ukmeded students, if

you're asked to present an ECG/CXR on ward round, do it

formally/thoroughly even if more senior doctors don't #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@fakethom@DrDLittle@Danielf90 No

list of cannulae on my ward :)))))) #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@mintygreenmedic@fakethom if u don't have


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an answer, that's fine but I'd hate to lumber a student w/

bloods when they dn't want it #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago RT @LizzyFerret: Elizabeth, Dundee 2nd

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about 2 hours ago@Danielf90@DrDLittle@fakethom

sometimes a v difficult q to answer though- I want to learn

but its difficult to be specific. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago RT @amcunningham: hey#ukmeded is

trending in the UK... no 3:)

about 2 hours ago RT @anniecoops: @amcunningham med

students seem to listen more carefully, display high regard

#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago well done & best of luck finding a good job

#ukmeded@Sammy_Lou@amcunningham

about 2 hours ago Thanks for Med WE advice! :) SO excited

and want to make the most out of the couple of weeks!

#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago I'm learning from students all the time:)

#ukmeded T @flobach: @amcunningham something

qualified docs can learn from their students!

about 2 hours ago@amcunningham#ukmeded feels thatthey have ownership of their treatment. It enhances the

positive learning experience. But even when the

about 2 hours ago@Danielf90@fakethom and if there are

nothing much to do for student I think it is ok for them to go

to library or down to A&E/MAU. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago RT @docnicknick: #ukmeded Our

patients love seeing med students esp when they go and visitthem at home

about 2 hours ago@Danielf90 Saw you tweeting about

#ukmeded and had to follow! Hope your Thursday is going

great!

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded Not all days on ward are

pleasant, you may have bad experience. Reflect, talk about it,


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as you can learn from even a bad tutor!

about 2 hours ago@mintygreenmedic as long as it's not just

before finals! #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago RT @amcunningham: hey#ukmeded istrending in the UK... no 3:)

about 2 hours ago@DrDLittle radiology teaching sessions

based on cases brought from ward are really useful, and

encourage some more thought on ward #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@Fimb@lillieputian thank you- that is

lovely feedback! #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@Danielf90 at Dundee we follow a pt

through our first 3 years as part of the GPPC element of the

course. Its quite useful. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@jonjhilton you need a keen consultant to

instigate - the rest can follow. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@amcunningham med students seem to

listen more carefully, display high regard #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@neda1400 Just started following! Hope

you're enjoying #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded is trending! 3 in the UK!

about 2 hours ago@mintygreenmedic Think this is

something I need to do more. Thanks! #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@amcunningham only graduated 3 weeks

ago so currently job hunting-but am fresh off placements so

opinions from a student POV! #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@docofagesSophie Some of my favourite

experiences in 1st yr were chatting beyond pathology to

patients, develop comms skills early#ukmeded


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about 2 hours ago RT @anthphowe: I learnt early not to be



about 2 hours ago@amcunningham#ukmeded I suspect

that the quality of the learning experience for the med

student is greater, the closer that the patient

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded RT @Fimb:a medical student

attended the birth of my son.. He was actually s great

support, and asked very good questions afterwards

about 2 hours ago@Danielf90@fakethom no, that is what

you want to be doing after finals ideally. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@nlaffertytimetable of teaching

opportunities available given to all students. Time on renal

unit brief for local med students! #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago I've always wanted to send a student

home with a patient when they're d/c'd so they can

appreciate that we treat real people. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@care2carenurse We're chatting about

how to get the most out of clinical attachments #ukmeded

chat

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded When you take a DH try to

match it to PMH. Ask yourself does each condition have a

drug and are there any drugs but no PMH.

about 2 hours ago Sadly we don't have ward rounds or evenwards in radiology - make sure you check out your ward

patient's imaging though! #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago RT @nlafferty: You don't have to be based

in the UK to take part in #ukmeded chat or a doctor or

medical student, everyone is welcome join us in 10 mins

about 2 hours ago As a med student I love feeling useful- even just


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doing TTO's/ clerking, and when Drs explain their thinking

so I can see the logic #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@amcunningham I have been

interviewed, prepared for op's and supervised post-op by

medical students. They were very conscientious #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago @amcunningham: #ukmeded so our

topic for tonight is getting the most out of learning on the

wards.. what is your top tip? Clerk & present

about 2 hours ago RT @docnicknick: #ukmeded Our

patients love seeing med students esp when they go and visit

them at home

about 2 hours ago RT @amcunningham: So members of the

public... have you ever spoken to a medical student in

hospital?How did it feel? Thanks #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago as a JHO (F1) I was expected to know all

about all my 40 plus patients fluid balance blood results etc

@DrDLittle@fakethom#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@DrDLittle I would love this, but would

require the right mix of personalities to work I think

#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago hey#ukmeded is trending in the UK... no

3:)

about 2 hours ago Because #ukmeded is also on now, i think

we should probably draw things to a close - will put thetranscript up on the blog. Thank you all!




about 2 hours ago Communications skills are vital, and

should be part of medical school from day 1 #ukmeded


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about 2 hours ago@amcunningham If they're interested and

engaged, always a positive experience. If they're

uninterested, it really shows! #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded Our patients love seeing med

students esp when they go and visit them at home

about 2 hours ago@fakethom The only thing is, a month

before your finals...you don't want to be doing

bloods/cannulas all day! #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago RT @GeriatricDr: #ukmeded Don't be

afraid to ask questions on the round, even when we are busy,

an eager and curious student is invigorating. 1q/patient

about 2 hours ago RT @amcunningham: #ukmeded so there

is some feedback from past patients... medical students they

like you:) #meded

about 2 hours ago RT @neda1400: #ukmeded clerking pts



tool

about 2 hours ago RT @docofagesSophie: #ukmeded spend

time chatting and really getting to know patients and then

revise pathology. Makes medicine more alive and relevant.

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded I always ask for a copy of a

student's syllabus/exam format to make sure if I give

teaching sessions, I'm being relevant. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@Danielf90 my best days are when I feel

useful and not a burden to whoever I'm attached to

#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago RT @neda1400: #ukmeded clerking pts



tool


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about 2 hours ago@nisciocco why not suggest it? ;)

#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@amcunningham Lot of the firms I've

been on seem to have them. F1 best port of call, get there

early to ask for one when printed #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded@DrDLittle Yep Prof of resp

med was making that point to students - you're in a teaching

hospital lots of patients make most of it

about 2 hours ago RT @nlafferty: #ukmeded Do all medical

schools make clear what students should experience on

attachments and what opportunties are available?

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded so there is some feedback from

past patients... medical students they like you:) #meded

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded spend time chatting and really

getting to know patients and then revise pathology. Makes

medicine more alive and relevant.

about 2 hours ago@DrDLittle I can't wait to lead a wardround as an F1 with my consultant writing in the notes.

#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@DrDLittle yes! #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@DrDLittle@fakethom ah yes, was

always a flurry of activity, made it hard to keep up! Lack of

ownership perhaps? #ukmeded




about 2 hours ago RT @anniecoops: @amcunningham I

have been assessed by lovely student but also hate it when

they not introduced to me in clinic! #ukmeded


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about 2 hours ago@DrDLittle#ukmeded Yes as far as I can

tell! Our WRs are quite informal (+ coffee and biscuits) so

hopefully not much pressure on student!

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded clerking pts during on-call,

presenting to the SHO, following management then

presenting on the ward-round was great learning tool

about 2 hours ago RT @PatParslow: @amcunningham Only

remember one med stdnt in hosp, when I was 10. She was

nice, much more human than the other Drs. #ukmeded


afraid to ask the 'naive' questions. Sometimes they are farmore relevant than you'd think. #ukmeded




about 2 hours ago 1st years on wards-practice simply talking

to pt's in hospital environment. Helps to develop basic

comm skills and nice for pt's! #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago Every patient on a ward is a learning

goldmine - almost all have an ECG, CXR, bloods and that is

before you've even spoken to them #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@Sammy_Lou of course! Do you see

many medical students where you work? How do you help

them? #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@stewy6 agreed. Unfortunately lectures

etc often timetabled on mornings. ?med schools should

recognise this and free up mornings #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@amcunningham I have been assessed by

lovely student but also hate it when they not introduced to

me in clinic! #ukmeded

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in hosp, when I was 10. She was nice, much more human

than the other Drs. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago RT @Danielf90: #ukmeded things I

remember best from med school were times when I felt

useful.




about 2 hours ago#ukmeded Putting up info in VLE we've

noticed variation in info and with feedback from students

developing template for attachment info

about 2 hours ago Hi, I'm Sam, 25, currently in London, I'm

a newly graduated Physician Assistant...I'm a bit late but

may I join? #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago . Interesting point. Our ITU teaching ward

rounds take "too long" say our nurses @NHSwhistleblowr

@sarahmahmood3@amcunningham#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@Danielf90 that's an easy way to get a

glowing report and help with TTOs/discharge summaries

from me! #ukmeded




about 2 hours ago RT @stewy6: @fakethom#ukmededcontinuity needed fr students 2 benefit from surg

wardrounds. attending a sporadic round =useless, need to see pt

journey

about 2 hours ago@fakethom#ukmeded continuity needed

fr students 2 benefit from surg wardrounds. attending a

sporadic round =useless, need to see pt journey

about 2 hours ago Students on surgical attachments should make


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sure they find good signs elsewhere if not on wards due to

post-op pts. Clinics etc #ukmeded




about 2 hours ago#ukmeded Not sure I can help with ward

rounds but in GP land if you are enthusiastic and want to

engage with the patients you learn more




about 2 hours ago@DundeePsych do the students like it?

#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago I learnt early not to be afraid to ask the

'naive' questions. Sometimes they are far more relevant than

you'd think. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago So members of the public... have you ever

spoken to a medical student in hospital?How did it feel?

Thanks #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@amcunningham@jesswilding ask a

friendly F1 where to get one, then print your own #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@DrDLittle very true!! Post-surgery signs

are often gone. Good for learning complications and care

though. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@DundeePsych@jonjhilton@fakethom

the further thru med school, the more a student will/should

have their own agenda. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago If feeling brave - consider 'upside down'

ward round where student/junior leads and consultant

writes in the notes. #ukmeded


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about 2 hours ago RT @Danielf90: #ukmeded I always try

and take my students on-call, and "think out loud" when

working thru a clinical problem. Ask their advice etc.

about 2 hours ago@nlafferty#ukmeded placements

typically nebulous + unclear here in AU, opportunities very

variable depending on student/doctor interest!

about 2 hours ago Converting pre-clinical knowledge base

into clinical acumen requires emphasis on relevance to ward

cases. Not just case report! #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago RT @kittcott: #ukmeded Get the students

to write the notes. A complex skill and keeps the brainfocused

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded Don't be afraid to ask

questions on the round, even when we are busy, an eager

and curious student is invigorating. 1q/patient

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded things I remember best from

med school were times when I felt useful.

about 2 hours ago@fakethom as an F1 I didn't use to have a

clue what was going on during surgical ward round, never

mind engaging with students. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@nlafferty@amcunningham peninsula

for us, but I expect would use Plymouth it Exeter stations...

#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded I always try and take mystudents on-call, and "think out loud" when working thru a

clinical problem. Ask their advice etc.




about 2 hours ago@nlaffertymine does, although sometimes


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difficult to match theory and practice! But useful guidance is

given for sure #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@DrDLittle I do similar- or take student

to see pts prior to WR so they can take part in discussion

#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago After basic clinical/comms skills have

been developed, send students to the 'difficult' pts rather

than cherry picking 'model' pts. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded Get the students to write the

notes. A complex skill and keeps the brain focused

about 2 hours ago RT @nisciocco: #ukmeded studentsclerking new patients to present on ward round - really

useful learning experience too.




about 2 hours ago RT @Jane_Mooney: Teachers- try and

remember what you wanted when you were in the students'

shoes! #ukmeded :)

about 2 hours ago@jonjhilton#ukmeded I start by asking

students which forms need doing and telling them not to

worry, I'll look for opportunities for that.

about 2 hours ago Surgical ward rounds more difficult to

learn from due to speed. Perhaps surgical placements betterto focus on 'on call' teams #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@amcunningham Thank you! I shall try

my best at all of them :) Am very excited, yet nervous.

#ukmeded#workexperience

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded Best educational tool is to ban

training by PowerPoint. Students love discussions and

anecdotes. Excites them with info in context


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about 2 hours ago@ambulancemandan@amcunningham

students at Dundee go out with paramedics on 5th year

acute care block#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago RT @DundeePsych: #ukmeded ward

rounds r good opp for students to meet the rest of the mdt +

arrange 2 shadow team members during rest of placement

about 2 hours ago@JessWilding what is the best way for a

student to get 'ward round list'? #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded students clerking new patients

to present on ward round - really useful learning experience

too.

about 2 hours ago@DrDLittle@Danielf90 admittedly so,

but learning how management plans formulate and unfold

through frequent review helpful #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@amcunningham#ukmeded ambulance

students yes, not so often med students, but the option is

there...

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded Do all medical schools make

clear what students should experience on attachments and

what opportunties are available?

about 2 hours ago@SarahMahmood3@amcunningham Do

you distinguish between business, teaching and hybrid ward

rounds? #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago At beginning of round, send a student tosee an interesting patient and when you get to them on

round, they can present the patient #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@tcbtttc how do you know that people are

'playing' on smartphones? #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@DrDLittle get that out the way and fill

out my annoying forms and I'll do everything I can to be


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helpful and learn from you #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago Teachers- try and remember what you

wanted when you were in the students' shoes! #ukmeded :)

about 2 hours ago@ScarlettxB listen, smile, be interested,offer to make tea:) #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago RT @Danielf90: @fakethom#ukmeded I

always keep a list of patients with good clinical signs to take

med students [and PACES students] to examine.

about 2 hours ago@nlaffertyclinical case presentations

during teaching sessions guide students to focusing

attention on wards + getting feedback#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded ward rounds r good opp for

students to meet the rest of the mdt + arrange 2 shadow

team members during rest of placement

about 2 hours ago RT @ScarlettxB: Got some Med work

experience coming up in a 2 weeks - Anyone have any

advice? #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago Just having a copy of the ward round list

with brief clnical details, jobs etc can make it so much easier

to follow and engage #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@DrDLittle "what does your med school

need to do to pass this placement?" Every placement I worry

about my WBPA quota #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago Students- go with a goal e.g. practise an

examination or a clinical skill but also be prepared to be

flexible & go with the flow... #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@Danielf90@iamdoctord that is great

experience for them though. Best way to learn. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@fakethom#ukmeded I always keep a list

of patients with good clinical signs to take med students


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[and PACES students] to examine.

about 2 hours ago Perhaps everyone listening to everyone on

a ward round & not playing on their smart phones?

#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago Got some Med work experience coming

up in a 2 weeks - Anyone have any advice? #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago Doctors leading wardrounds... how do you

help students learn? #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded it helps if you have thought a

little about what you want to get out of a placement. But if

you get enthusiastic GPs it helps

about 2 hours ago RT @SarahMahmood3:

@amcunningham: #ukmeded so how can students get the

most out of ward rounds? Ask lots of questions! The team needs to

be approachable.

about 2 hours ago On a ward round, can be good to identify

one or two good patients and leave student with them, then

get feedback later together #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@ambulancemandan Hi Dan, thanks for

joining us #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@ambulancemandan do you ever have

students with you? #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@amcunningham#ukmeded students notturning up - may be because they want more time studying

the theory/revising for exams etc.

about 2 hours ago @amcunningham: #ukmeded so how can

students get the most out of ward rounds? Ask lots of

questions! The team needs to be approachable.

about 2 hours ago@jonjhilton@Danielf90@fakethom how

about "I'd like to know what u think is important for a


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student to know about ur specialty" #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@iamdoctord Fair points. I went to a

great, nurturing med school, so feel a real duty to do well by

students as I was done well by. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago RT @GeriatricDr: #ukmeded Always tell

students how good they are, have high expectations (tell

them) + they will excel.Pygmalion effect! http://t.co/JsqazAoR

about 2 hours ago@jonjhilton@Danielf90@fakethom what

would be a better question? #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@Danielf90@nlaffertydepends when

exams are!! How to do job ideally should come be picked upwith the time put in by student #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@amcunningham#ukmeded if the team

involves them as an extra member of the team - I find I

engage more and learn more as a result.

about 2 hours ago RT @GeriatricDr: #ukmeded Always tell

students how good they are, have high expectations (tell

them) + they will excel.Pygmalion effect! http://t.co/JsqazAoR

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded@fakethom I know some of

our students have suggested that we should include tips on

what opportunities make most of on placements

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded Always tell students how good

they are, have high expectations (tell them) + they will

excel.Pygmalion effect! http://t.co/JsqazAoR

about 2 hours ago@h_jones21 did the student ask why

given this task? #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago .@nlaffertyFor GP trainees, some

experience of GP early on is valuable for getting most out of

subsequent hospital placements #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago Getting anything out of a ward round as a


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student depends entirely on the doctors on the ward round.

Engage with students! #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded Dan, paramedic, with

ambitions to medicine! lurking tonight as been on shift

earlier. Not sure if it's really my area tonight?

about 2 hours ago@Danielf90@fakethom I'm on your

ward, you know the patients, show me someone interesting

#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded Can remember the glee of F1

job and finally feeling useful - certainly dispiriting as

student. Need to get them actively involved

about 2 hours ago@DrDLittle@Danielf90@iamdoctord

only useful if done everyday. But clinics and teaching etc

(also important) interrupt. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@amcunningham poor teaching so seen

as a waste of time. Heard about 1 student being made to

open and stamp post on gp placement! #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded 1sy year students soend time

on wards now... how can they get the most out of this

experience?

about 2 hours ago@Danielf90 hmmm... apathy,

disinterested teachers, lack of opportunity to engage/

contribute #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@Danielf90@fakethom it's such an openquestion - I want to know everything and rarely know where

to start #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@Danielf90@fakethom although, I find it

annoying when doc asks "so what do you want to know?" on

my first day#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded so how can students get the

most out of ward rounds?


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about 2 hours ago@nlafferty@fakethom Yes. But do final

year students want to learn A) Clinical Examination, B)

Knowledge, C) How to do Job etc. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@nlafferty@Danielf90 often, but also

need guidance as to identifying what we don't know. Which

comes with time together #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago I can only imagine they feel its unhelpful /

they're unwelcome in that dept? #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@purmj Hi Mark thanks for joining us

#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@docnicknickhello- thanks for joining:)

#ukmeded

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded I agree, sometimes it's not

what you say, but how you say it. Teachers should act in

responsible way as jrs emulate

about 2 hours ago@DrDLittle Sorry multitasking trying to

join #ukmeded and stuff. I am a GP in Hackney

about 2 hours ago@Danielf90@iamdoctord ward rounds

often not engaging for students? Often just stand at back

feeling in the way. #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago MT @Jande58: #ukmeded "...observe and

practice compassion..." unquestionably true!

about 2 hours ago@Danielf90 of course. Student needs toapply themselves and identify the gaps in their knowledge

etc #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded@Danielf90@fakethom I

think students also want to know what they need to learn, is

that right?

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students not turn up to placements? what to do about this?

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded my no. 1 tip is turn up to your

placements - simple but I see students not turning up (or at

least the gaps they leave) frequently

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded Hi, I'm Mark, GP, Yorkshire

and the Humber

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded so our topic for tonight is

getting the most out of learning on the wards... what is your

top tip?

about 2 hours ago Consultant since 88, intensive care &anaesthesia but full of "the cold" so may just lurk or go off to

sleep #ukmeded

about 2 hours ago@iamdoctord#ukmeded what reasons

could there be for people not turning up?

about 2 hours ago@scottishphil83 Thanks, we will be

running #ukmeded chat each Thursday so hope you can join

another week :)

about 2 hours ago@fakethom#ukmeded As a Dr with

teaching responsibilities to students, it's important to know

what students want to gain from the attachment

about 2 hours ago#ukmeded Hi from Lismore, Australia.I

teach and coach doctors and nurses leadership.My learning

tip is observe and practice compassion

about 2 hours ago@scottishphil83 thanks for saying hello-

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