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oh boy.....sparks are going to fly....boo yah...
what a sales pitch....makes you wonder...??????????????????
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09-08-2010, 09:17 AM
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Why doesnt jim skelton or eyal post a reply to all this anti-invicta talk.
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09-08-2010, 09:30 AM
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After speaking extensively with numerous experts, there seems to be confusion between the
term Sandstone as used in jewelry and sandstone the raw dessert like sand material found in
nature. What we are using is absolutely sandstone as known in the jewelry world and is
considered a gemstone. That is why when you search the term “sandstone Jewelry” or look at all
other vendors you will find a broad selection of jewelry with the same material used as in our
sandstone dials. Many stones are modified, bonded, compressed, heated, dyed, bombarded, etc.,
for use in jewelry. The main reason being one of hardness, since in order to cut semiprecious
stones for jewelry or dials you need a minimum hardness of 5-6. Some stones are rare and
turned to dust and then compressed with natural, others have a tradition of going by the wrong
gemological name such as black onyx which is also dyed black Agatha. No one sells Ruby as a
chemical compound (mineral) and tell you its pure aluminum oxide. No one sells Lapis as a
Rock, or a diamond as carbon.
These stones have natural properties, not manmade, but have been processed to achieve the
hardness required and/or change or enhance their look. We stand by our sandstone, a stone from
natural elements, processed to achieve 5-6 hardness and it is not to be compared with raw
sandstone which is too porous and soft for use in jewelry
A gemologist explained it as follow: Sandstone in the Jewelry industry is a sedimentary rock
composed of tiny grains of quartz or feldspar. It can be any color, but is most commonly tan,
brown, yellow, red, grey or white. The color is usually dependent on the region in which the
stone was found. Sandstones are formed by cemented grains of small fragments of pre-existing
rock or crystals and are usually bound together by calcite, clays or silica. The sedimentation
process occurs when sand grains are bounced along the bottom of a body of water or ground
surface, resulting in a pressure compacted mixture. Because sandstone widely varies in its
creation, its hardness widely varies as well.
I think that no answer is ever going to satisfy everyone, I appreciate the passion. If anything this
has been very educational – I am sure there is no other brand out there that gets so personal and
detailed about a component of a watch… I’m happy to do it – if this is not commitment, I don’t
know what is.
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09-08-2010, 09:49 AM
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Not that this argument was ever going to stop me from buying an Invicta from a sandstone dial.
But I find it outstanding that an executive would personally address and explain issues like this.
If anything, in reality there are a plethora of things and situations which are much more complex
than one would think initially. Nonetheless, I'm grateful that Eyal is willing to lend an ear to the
customer base. It's appreciated Eyal.
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Makes sense to me, although unlike many others that have posted here I really could care
less. I buy what I like because I like it, not because of what it is made from.
It is a shame this will not satisfy all but it is what it is and you have answered the question they
have been waiting for. Thank You, now maybe they can move on to something different.
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09-08-2010, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by TeamInvicta
After speaking extensively with numerous experts, there seems to be confusion between the
term Sandstone as used in jewelry and sandstone the raw dessert like sand material found in
nature. What we are using is absolutely sandstone as known in the jewelry world and is
considered a gemstone. That is why when you search the term “sandstone Jewelry” or look at
all other vendors you will find a broad selection of jewelry with the same material used as in
our sandstone dials. Many stones are modified, bonded, compressed, heated, dyed,
bombarded, etc., for use in jewelry. The main reason being one of hardness, since in order to
cut semiprecious stones for jewelry or dials you need a minimum hardness of 5-6. Some stones
are rare and turned to dust and then compressed with natural, others have a tradition of going
by the wrong gemological name such as black onyx which is also dyed black Agatha. No one
sells Ruby as a chemical compound (mineral) and tell you its pure aluminum oxide. No one
sells Lapis as a Rock, or a diamond as carbon.
These stones have natural properties, not manmade, but have been processed to achieve the
hardness required and/or change or enhance their look. We stand by our sandstone, a stone
from natural elements, processed to achieve 5-6 hardness and it is not to be compared with
raw sandstone which is too porous and soft for use in jewelry
A gemologist explained it as follow: Sandstone in the Jewelry industry is a sedimentary rock
composed of tiny grains of quartz or feldspar. It can be any color, but is most commonly tan,
brown, yellow, red, grey or white. The color is usually dependent on the region in which the
stone was found. Sandstones are formed by cemented grains of small fragments of pre-existing
rock or crystals and are usually bound together by calcite, clays or silica. The sedimentation
process occurs when sand grains are bounced along the bottom of a body of water or ground
surface, resulting in a pressure compacted mixture. Because sandstone widely varies in its
creation, its hardness widely varies as well.
I think that no answer is ever going to satisfy everyone, I appreciate the passion. If anything
this has been very educational – I am sure there is no other brand out there that gets so
personal and detailed about a component of a watch… I’m happy to do it – if this is not
commitment, I don’t know what is.
Thanks again Eyal for going above and beyond what most people would!
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09-08-2010, 10:16 AM
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I think Eyal's answer hits upon something frankly I had not considered. What is considered
"Sandstone" in the business. Is what was used in these watches commonly used and referred to
as "sandstone?" Even taking what was said on air that it was real, in the context of what is
commonly used perhaps it is "real."
I find the TeamInvicta answer to sound very truthful and appreciated. And the fact that we even
have a chance to get answers from the top of a company does not go unnoticed.
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Eyal, thank you for your time in addressing this. It goes along way with alot of us.
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Thanks Eyal for confirming that your dials are man made and that they are not now nor have
they ever been natural sandstone as advertised.
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Thank goodness....now maybe this subject will be put to rest!!! __________________
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Thanks Eyal for confirming that your dials are man made and that they are not now nor have
they ever been natural sandstone as advertised.
Yes, thank you for looking into this.
Sandstone in Jewelry is in fact goldstone, as Team Invicta stated in the post
" That is why when you search the term “sandstone Jewelry” or look at all other vendors you
will find a broad selection of jewelry with the same material used as in our sandstone dials."
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So, after 750 post's we are now DONE right?
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09-08-2010, 10:25 AM
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Thanks Eyal. I regret that these things keep popping up and put a drain on your time. Some
people love to cry conspiricy!! It is my opinion they should be ashamed of themselves, but they
won't be. It's who they are. They accuse you on the front page and apologoze on the back page
or not at all. In any event they will soon find another "cause" to fight about.
P.S. Are you sure Invicta actually uses 316 stainless. The jewler at Kmart said mine looked more
like 313 or maybe even 312 stainless. Sorry I could not resist. :-)
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09-08-2010, 10:25 AM
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I'll be the first to say that Eyal may be winning me back as a customer. I thank you for the
response in keeping your customers up to date with this process of the sandstone dial. Keep on
improving the C/S for Invicta. Again thanks for the response Eyal.
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This sounds good to me. It wouldn't have stopped me from buying one in the first place as I love
the looks of it. It could be one made by Invicta or someone else, I don't care as I love the look.
Still nice to hear from Team Invicta about this and the time they spent in finding the answer and
getting to us. And as it said, "I think that no answer is ever going to satisfy everyone, I
appreciate the passion.".
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Told you so! Much ado about nothing... And I too am very impressed with Eyal's response and
that he took the time to investigate this as thoroughly as he did.
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Color me as impressed. Invicta has had some issues of late, but this is one that has in my humble
opinion been resolved in their favor.
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Thanks for looking into this and answering with a clear and understandable explanation. It is
way beyond anything I have ever heard of a company like Invicta answering for its customers.
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Yes, thank you for looking into this.
Sandstone in Jewelry is in fact goldstone, as Team Invicta stated in the post
" That is why when you search the term “sandstone Jewelry” or look at all other vendors you
will find a broad selection of jewelry with the same material used as in our sandstone dials."
Sorry buddy, that was never stated in the post once. Seems like you are making
connections that you want to hear. __________________
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like i said,dont jump to conclusions because things arent as fraudulent and shady as alot of
people thought.in my eyes, eyal deserves the utmost respect from all watch lovers
everywhere.there's not alot,if any company owners that would take time out of there busy
schedule to address an issue some of us may have.his passion is prevalant in every single post he
answers .eyal,keep em' coming,YOU DA MAN!!!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TeamInvicta
After speaking extensively with numerous experts, there seems to be confusion between the
term Sandstone as used in jewelry and sandstone the raw dessert like sand material found in
nature. What we are using is absolutely sandstone as known in the jewelry world and is
considered a gemstone. That is why when you search the term “sandstone Jewelry” or look at
all other vendors you will find a broad selection of jewelry with the same material used as in
our sandstone dials. Many stones are modified, bonded, compressed, heated, dyed,
bombarded, etc., for use in jewelry. The main reason being one of hardness, since in order to
cut semiprecious stones for jewelry or dials you need a minimum hardness of 5-6. Some stones
are rare and turned to dust and then compressed with natural, others have a tradition of going
by the wrong gemological name such as black onyx which is also dyed black Agatha. No one
sells Ruby as a chemical compound (mineral) and tell you its pure aluminum oxide. No one
sells Lapis as a Rock, or a diamond as carbon.
These stones have natural properties, not manmade, but have been processed to achieve the
hardness required and/or change or enhance their look. We stand by our sandstone, a stone
from natural elements, processed to achieve 5-6 hardness and it is not to be compared with
raw sandstone which is too porous and soft for use in jewelry
A gemologist explained it as follow: Sandstone in the Jewelry industry is a sedimentary rock
composed of tiny grains of quartz or feldspar. It can be any color, but is most commonly tan,
brown, yellow, red, grey or white. The color is usually dependent on the region in which the
stone was found. Sandstones are formed by cemented grains of small fragments of pre-existing
rock or crystals and are usually bound together by calcite, clays or silica. The sedimentation
process occurs when sand grains are bounced along the bottom of a body of water or ground
surface, resulting in a pressure compacted mixture. Because sandstone widely varies in its
creation, its hardness widely varies as well.
I think that no answer is ever going to satisfy everyone, I appreciate the passion. If anything
this has been very educational – I am sure there is no other brand out there that gets so
personal and detailed about a component of a watch… I’m happy to do it – if this is not
commitment, I don’t know what is.
IMO, this perfectly reasonable and logical explanation puts the matter to bed.
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I've been following this thread from the start and couldn't quite understand the controversy over
the source of a non-precious stone, but I'm glad to see Eyal has clarified things.
I *still* intend to get an Invicta watch with a Sandstone dial because I like the way it looks.
Maybe Eyal can also confirm that the strap on the SAN III/Dragon is *genuine* polyurethane?
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I feel like I've been watching Family Feud!
GR8 answer Eyal! GR8 answer!
And the survey says...Sandstone!
Now I want a sandstone dial watch! With a hardness of 6.5, Bruce __________________
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09-08-2010, 11:05 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike_NavyNuke
Sorry buddy, that was never stated in the post once. Seems like you are making
connections that you want to hear.
Quote:
Originally Posted by new2watches
Yes, thank you for looking into this.
Sandstone in Jewelry is in fact goldstone, as Team Invicta stated in the post
" That is why when you search the term “sandstone Jewelry” or look at all other vendors you
will find a broad selection of jewelry with the same material used as in our sandstone dials."
OK - let me add correct punctuation.
Sandstone in Jewelery is in fact goldstone.
(Talk to any competent jeweler and they will verify this fact.)
Now as to what was in Team Invicta's post
As Team Invicta stated in the post -
" That is why when you search the term “sandstone Jewelry” or look at all other vendors you
will find a broad selection of jewelry with the same material used as in our sandstone dials."
I'm not quite sure what I am "hearing" that was not stated by TI, the "connection" is, and I'll
quote it again for you;
" That is why when you search the term “sandstone Jewelry” or look at all other vendors you
will find a broad selection of jewelry with the same material used as in our sandstone dials."
This "material" in the "broad selection of jewelry" is goldstone; no matter how you slice it, cut it
or polish it.
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09-08-2010, 11:11 AM
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Thanks Eyal for what I consider a speedy answer to the question.
Regrettably, within a month or two another TROLL from
******* will come on here and drop another unsubstantiated
bomb.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TeamInvicta
After speaking extensively with numerous experts, there seems to be confusion between the
term Sandstone as used in jewelry and sandstone the raw dessert like sand material found in
nature. What we are using is absolutely sandstone as known in the jewelry world and is
considered a gemstone. That is why when you search the term “sandstone Jewelry” or look at
all other vendors you will find a broad selection of jewelry with the same material used as in
our sandstone dials. Many stones are modified, bonded, compressed, heated, dyed,
bombarded, etc., for use in jewelry. The main reason being one of hardness, since in order to
cut semiprecious stones for jewelry or dials you need a minimum hardness of 5-6. Some
stones are rare and turned to dust and then compressed with natural, others have a tradition
of going by the wrong gemological name such as black onyx which is also dyed black Agatha.
No one sells Ruby as a chemical compound (mineral) and tell you its pure aluminum oxide.
No one sells Lapis as a Rock, or a diamond as carbon.
These stones have natural properties, not manmade, but have been processed to achieve the
hardness required and/or change or enhance their look. We stand by our sandstone, a stone
from natural elements, processed to achieve 5-6 hardness and it is not to be compared with
raw sandstone which is too porous and soft for use in jewelry
A gemologist explained it as follow: Sandstone in the Jewelry industry is a sedimentary rock
composed of tiny grains of quartz or feldspar. It can be any color, but is most commonly tan,
brown, yellow, red, grey or white. The color is usually dependent on the region in which the
stone was found. Sandstones are formed by cemented grains of small fragments of pre-
existing rock or crystals and are usually bound together by calcite, clays or silica. The
sedimentation process occurs when sand grains are bounced along the bottom of a body of
water or ground surface, resulting in a pressure compacted mixture. Because sandstone
widely varies in its creation, its hardness widely varies as well.
I think that no answer is ever going to satisfy everyone, I appreciate the passion. If anything
this has been very educational – I am sure there is no other brand out there that gets so
personal and detailed about a component of a watch… I’m happy to do it – if this is not
commitment, I don’t know what is.
BRAVO! Thanks Team Invicta and Eyal, good information...
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Thanks Eyal for confirming that your dials are man made and that they are not now nor have
they ever been natural sandstone as advertised.
And thank you John for bringing this to our attention so we can be better informed on what we
are actually buying. I do however own an Invicta sandstone watch and it is one of my favorites. I
like the look and would have bought it no matter how it was made or what it was made of.
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09-08-2010, 01:00 PM
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I believe we have had an answer... This one is closed!
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