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rnieves860860

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oh boy.....sparks are going to fly....boo yah...

what a sales pitch....makes you wonder...??????????????????

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Why doesnt jim skelton or eyal post a reply to all this anti-invicta talk.

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After speaking extensively with numerous experts, there seems to be confusion between the

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term Sandstone as used in jewelry and sandstone the raw dessert like sand material found in

nature. What we are using is absolutely sandstone as known in the jewelry world and is

considered a gemstone. That is why when you search the term “sandstone Jewelry” or look at all

other vendors you will find a broad selection of jewelry with the same material used as in our

sandstone dials. Many stones are modified, bonded, compressed, heated, dyed, bombarded, etc.,

for use in jewelry. The main reason being one of hardness, since in order to cut semiprecious

stones for jewelry or dials you need a minimum hardness of 5-6. Some stones are rare and

turned to dust and then compressed with natural, others have a tradition of going by the wrong

gemological name such as black onyx which is also dyed black Agatha. No one sells Ruby as a

chemical compound (mineral) and tell you its pure aluminum oxide. No one sells Lapis as a

Rock, or a diamond as carbon.

These stones have natural properties, not manmade, but have been processed to achieve the

hardness required and/or change or enhance their look. We stand by our sandstone, a stone from

natural elements, processed to achieve 5-6 hardness and it is not to be compared with raw

sandstone which is too porous and soft for use in jewelry

A gemologist explained it as follow: Sandstone in the Jewelry industry is a sedimentary rock

composed of tiny grains of quartz or feldspar. It can be any color, but is most commonly tan,

brown, yellow, red, grey or white. The color is usually dependent on the region in which the

stone was found. Sandstones are formed by cemented grains of small fragments of pre-existing

rock or crystals and are usually bound together by calcite, clays or silica. The sedimentation

process occurs when sand grains are bounced along the bottom of a body of water or ground

surface, resulting in a pressure compacted mixture. Because sandstone widely varies in its

creation, its hardness widely varies as well.

I think that no answer is ever going to satisfy everyone, I appreciate the passion. If anything this

has been very educational – I am sure there is no other brand out there that gets so personal and

detailed about a component of a watch… I’m happy to do it – if this is not commitment, I don’t

know what is.

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09-08-2010, 09:49 AM

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Not that this argument was ever going to stop me from buying an Invicta from a sandstone dial.

But I find it outstanding that an executive would personally address and explain issues like this.

If anything, in reality there are a plethora of things and situations which are much more complex

than one would think initially. Nonetheless, I'm grateful that Eyal is willing to lend an ear to the

customer base. It's appreciated Eyal.

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Makes sense to me, although unlike many others that have posted here I really could care

less. I buy what I like because I like it, not because of what it is made from.

It is a shame this will not satisfy all but it is what it is and you have answered the question they

have been waiting for. Thank You, now maybe they can move on to something different.

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09-08-2010, 09:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TeamInvicta

After speaking extensively with numerous experts, there seems to be confusion between the

term Sandstone as used in jewelry and sandstone the raw dessert like sand material found in

nature. What we are using is absolutely sandstone as known in the jewelry world and is

considered a gemstone. That is why when you search the term “sandstone Jewelry” or look at

all other vendors you will find a broad selection of jewelry with the same material used as in

our sandstone dials. Many stones are modified, bonded, compressed, heated, dyed,

bombarded, etc., for use in jewelry. The main reason being one of hardness, since in order to

cut semiprecious stones for jewelry or dials you need a minimum hardness of 5-6. Some stones

are rare and turned to dust and then compressed with natural, others have a tradition of going

by the wrong gemological name such as black onyx which is also dyed black Agatha. No one

sells Ruby as a chemical compound (mineral) and tell you its pure aluminum oxide. No one

sells Lapis as a Rock, or a diamond as carbon.

These stones have natural properties, not manmade, but have been processed to achieve the

hardness required and/or change or enhance their look. We stand by our sandstone, a stone

from natural elements, processed to achieve 5-6 hardness and it is not to be compared with

raw sandstone which is too porous and soft for use in jewelry

A gemologist explained it as follow: Sandstone in the Jewelry industry is a sedimentary rock

composed of tiny grains of quartz or feldspar. It can be any color, but is most commonly tan,

brown, yellow, red, grey or white. The color is usually dependent on the region in which the

stone was found. Sandstones are formed by cemented grains of small fragments of pre-existing

rock or crystals and are usually bound together by calcite, clays or silica. The sedimentation

process occurs when sand grains are bounced along the bottom of a body of water or ground

surface, resulting in a pressure compacted mixture. Because sandstone widely varies in its

creation, its hardness widely varies as well.

I think that no answer is ever going to satisfy everyone, I appreciate the passion. If anything

this has been very educational – I am sure there is no other brand out there that gets so

personal and detailed about a component of a watch… I’m happy to do it – if this is not

commitment, I don’t know what is.

Thanks again Eyal for going above and beyond what most people would!

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I think Eyal's answer hits upon something frankly I had not considered. What is considered

"Sandstone" in the business. Is what was used in these watches commonly used and referred to

as "sandstone?" Even taking what was said on air that it was real, in the context of what is

commonly used perhaps it is "real."

I find the TeamInvicta answer to sound very truthful and appreciated. And the fact that we even

have a chance to get answers from the top of a company does not go unnoticed.

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Eyal, thank you for your time in addressing this. It goes along way with alot of us.

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Thanks Eyal for confirming that your dials are man made and that they are not now nor have

they ever been natural sandstone as advertised.

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Thank goodness....now maybe this subject will be put to rest!!! __________________

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Originally Posted by qwikfix

Thanks Eyal for confirming that your dials are man made and that they are not now nor have

they ever been natural sandstone as advertised.

Yes, thank you for looking into this.

Sandstone in Jewelry is in fact goldstone, as Team Invicta stated in the post

" That is why when you search the term “sandstone Jewelry” or look at all other vendors you

will find a broad selection of jewelry with the same material used as in our sandstone dials."

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So, after 750 post's we are now DONE right?

Please? Sorry, just don't think I can take anymore, and I'm pretty sure the horse is dead! __________________

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Thanks Eyal. I regret that these things keep popping up and put a drain on your time. Some

people love to cry conspiricy!! It is my opinion they should be ashamed of themselves, but they

won't be. It's who they are. They accuse you on the front page and apologoze on the back page

or not at all. In any event they will soon find another "cause" to fight about.

P.S. Are you sure Invicta actually uses 316 stainless. The jewler at Kmart said mine looked more

like 313 or maybe even 312 stainless. Sorry I could not resist. :-)

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I'll be the first to say that Eyal may be winning me back as a customer. I thank you for the

response in keeping your customers up to date with this process of the sandstone dial. Keep on

improving the C/S for Invicta. Again thanks for the response Eyal.

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This sounds good to me. It wouldn't have stopped me from buying one in the first place as I love

the looks of it. It could be one made by Invicta or someone else, I don't care as I love the look.

Still nice to hear from Team Invicta about this and the time they spent in finding the answer and

getting to us. And as it said, "I think that no answer is ever going to satisfy everyone, I

appreciate the passion.".

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Told you so! Much ado about nothing... And I too am very impressed with Eyal's response and

that he took the time to investigate this as thoroughly as he did.

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Color me as impressed. Invicta has had some issues of late, but this is one that has in my humble

opinion been resolved in their favor.

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Thanks for looking into this and answering with a clear and understandable explanation. It is

way beyond anything I have ever heard of a company like Invicta answering for its customers.

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Yes, thank you for looking into this.

Sandstone in Jewelry is in fact goldstone, as Team Invicta stated in the post

" That is why when you search the term “sandstone Jewelry” or look at all other vendors you

will find a broad selection of jewelry with the same material used as in our sandstone dials."

Sorry buddy, that was never stated in the post once. Seems like you are making

connections that you want to hear. __________________

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like i said,dont jump to conclusions because things arent as fraudulent and shady as alot of

people thought.in my eyes, eyal deserves the utmost respect from all watch lovers

everywhere.there's not alot,if any company owners that would take time out of there busy

schedule to address an issue some of us may have.his passion is prevalant in every single post he

answers .eyal,keep em' coming,YOU DA MAN!!!

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Quote:

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After speaking extensively with numerous experts, there seems to be confusion between the

term Sandstone as used in jewelry and sandstone the raw dessert like sand material found in

nature. What we are using is absolutely sandstone as known in the jewelry world and is

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considered a gemstone. That is why when you search the term “sandstone Jewelry” or look at

all other vendors you will find a broad selection of jewelry with the same material used as in

our sandstone dials. Many stones are modified, bonded, compressed, heated, dyed,

bombarded, etc., for use in jewelry. The main reason being one of hardness, since in order to

cut semiprecious stones for jewelry or dials you need a minimum hardness of 5-6. Some stones

are rare and turned to dust and then compressed with natural, others have a tradition of going

by the wrong gemological name such as black onyx which is also dyed black Agatha. No one

sells Ruby as a chemical compound (mineral) and tell you its pure aluminum oxide. No one

sells Lapis as a Rock, or a diamond as carbon.

These stones have natural properties, not manmade, but have been processed to achieve the

hardness required and/or change or enhance their look. We stand by our sandstone, a stone

from natural elements, processed to achieve 5-6 hardness and it is not to be compared with

raw sandstone which is too porous and soft for use in jewelry

A gemologist explained it as follow: Sandstone in the Jewelry industry is a sedimentary rock

composed of tiny grains of quartz or feldspar. It can be any color, but is most commonly tan,

brown, yellow, red, grey or white. The color is usually dependent on the region in which the

stone was found. Sandstones are formed by cemented grains of small fragments of pre-existing

rock or crystals and are usually bound together by calcite, clays or silica. The sedimentation

process occurs when sand grains are bounced along the bottom of a body of water or ground

surface, resulting in a pressure compacted mixture. Because sandstone widely varies in its

creation, its hardness widely varies as well.

I think that no answer is ever going to satisfy everyone, I appreciate the passion. If anything

this has been very educational – I am sure there is no other brand out there that gets so

personal and detailed about a component of a watch… I’m happy to do it – if this is not

commitment, I don’t know what is.

IMO, this perfectly reasonable and logical explanation puts the matter to bed.

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I've been following this thread from the start and couldn't quite understand the controversy over

the source of a non-precious stone, but I'm glad to see Eyal has clarified things.

I *still* intend to get an Invicta watch with a Sandstone dial because I like the way it looks.

Maybe Eyal can also confirm that the strap on the SAN III/Dragon is *genuine* polyurethane?

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I feel like I've been watching Family Feud!

GR8 answer Eyal! GR8 answer!

And the survey says...Sandstone!

Now I want a sandstone dial watch! With a hardness of 6.5, Bruce __________________

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike_NavyNuke

Sorry buddy, that was never stated in the post once. Seems like you are making

connections that you want to hear.

Quote:

Originally Posted by new2watches

Yes, thank you for looking into this.

Sandstone in Jewelry is in fact goldstone, as Team Invicta stated in the post

" That is why when you search the term “sandstone Jewelry” or look at all other vendors you

will find a broad selection of jewelry with the same material used as in our sandstone dials."

OK - let me add correct punctuation.

Sandstone in Jewelery is in fact goldstone.

(Talk to any competent jeweler and they will verify this fact.)

Now as to what was in Team Invicta's post

As Team Invicta stated in the post -

" That is why when you search the term “sandstone Jewelry” or look at all other vendors you

will find a broad selection of jewelry with the same material used as in our sandstone dials."

I'm not quite sure what I am "hearing" that was not stated by TI, the "connection" is, and I'll

quote it again for you;

" That is why when you search the term “sandstone Jewelry” or look at all other vendors you

will find a broad selection of jewelry with the same material used as in our sandstone dials."

This "material" in the "broad selection of jewelry" is goldstone; no matter how you slice it, cut it

or polish it.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TeamInvicta

After speaking extensively with numerous experts, there seems to be confusion between the

term Sandstone as used in jewelry and sandstone the raw dessert like sand material found in

nature. What we are using is absolutely sandstone as known in the jewelry world and is

considered a gemstone. That is why when you search the term “sandstone Jewelry” or look at

all other vendors you will find a broad selection of jewelry with the same material used as in

our sandstone dials. Many stones are modified, bonded, compressed, heated, dyed,

bombarded, etc., for use in jewelry. The main reason being one of hardness, since in order to

cut semiprecious stones for jewelry or dials you need a minimum hardness of 5-6. Some

stones are rare and turned to dust and then compressed with natural, others have a tradition

of going by the wrong gemological name such as black onyx which is also dyed black Agatha.

No one sells Ruby as a chemical compound (mineral) and tell you its pure aluminum oxide.

No one sells Lapis as a Rock, or a diamond as carbon.

These stones have natural properties, not manmade, but have been processed to achieve the

hardness required and/or change or enhance their look. We stand by our sandstone, a stone

from natural elements, processed to achieve 5-6 hardness and it is not to be compared with

raw sandstone which is too porous and soft for use in jewelry

A gemologist explained it as follow: Sandstone in the Jewelry industry is a sedimentary rock

composed of tiny grains of quartz or feldspar. It can be any color, but is most commonly tan,

brown, yellow, red, grey or white. The color is usually dependent on the region in which the

stone was found. Sandstones are formed by cemented grains of small fragments of pre-

existing rock or crystals and are usually bound together by calcite, clays or silica. The

sedimentation process occurs when sand grains are bounced along the bottom of a body of

water or ground surface, resulting in a pressure compacted mixture. Because sandstone

widely varies in its creation, its hardness widely varies as well.

I think that no answer is ever going to satisfy everyone, I appreciate the passion. If anything

this has been very educational – I am sure there is no other brand out there that gets so

personal and detailed about a component of a watch… I’m happy to do it – if this is not

commitment, I don’t know what is.

BRAVO! Thanks Team Invicta and Eyal, good information...

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Thanks Eyal for confirming that your dials are man made and that they are not now nor have

they ever been natural sandstone as advertised.

And thank you John for bringing this to our attention so we can be better informed on what we

are actually buying. I do however own an Invicta sandstone watch and it is one of my favorites. I

like the look and would have bought it no matter how it was made or what it was made of.

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I believe we have had an answer... This one is closed!

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