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Creation Research

Copyright © Randall Hardy June Copyright © Randall Hardy June 20082008

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Has Science Has Science Done Away Done Away With God?With God?

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Britons unconvinced on evolutionBritons unconvinced on evolution

22% chose creationism22% chose creationism 17% opted for intelligent design17% opted for intelligent design 48% selected evolution theory48% selected evolution theory and the rest did not know.and the rest did not know.

Over 2,000 participants took part in a survey conducted by Ipsos MORI for the BBC's Horizon series. It was published in Jan. 2006. They were asked what best described their view of the origin and development of life:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4648598.stm

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Definitions: GODDefinitions: GOD

The CreatorThe Creator The SustainerThe Sustainer The ProviderThe Provider The All KnowingThe All Knowing The Ruler of HistoryThe Ruler of History The RedeemerThe Redeemer The JudgeThe Judge The Final AuthorityThe Final Authority The One who will The One who will

discarddiscard this creation this creation

A Trinity of PersonsA Trinity of Persons RighteousRighteous MercifulMerciful UnchangingUnchanging TruthfulTruthful HolyHoly JustJust LovingLoving Willing to Willing to forgiveforgive

if people seek Himif people seek Him

The God of the Bible – Jewish and The God of the Bible – Jewish and ChristianChristian

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Definitions: GODDefinitions: GOD

The CreatorThe Creator The SustainerThe Sustainer The ProviderThe Provider The All KnowingThe All Knowing The Ruler of HistoryThe Ruler of History The RedeemerThe Redeemer The JudgeThe Judge The Final AuthorityThe Final Authority The One who will The One who will

discarddiscard this creation this creation

A Trinity of PersonsA Trinity of Persons RighteousRighteous MercifulMerciful UnchangingUnchanging TruthfulTruthful HolyHoly JustJust LovingLoving Willing to Willing to forgiveforgive

if people seek Himif people seek Him

The God of the Bible – Jewish and The God of the Bible – Jewish and ChristianChristian

A CUT-OUT GOD IN OUR A CUT-OUT GOD IN OUR IMAGEIMAGE

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Definitions: ScienceDefinitions: Science

Empirical ScienceEmpirical Science Working HypothesesWorking Hypotheses Testable / Testable / RepeatableRepeatable Observation or Observation or

ExperimentExperiment Developed in the Developed in the

Renaissance (1500-Renaissance (1500-1700 AD) 1700 AD) Francis Francis BaconBacon

Secular ScienceSecular Science Empirical science Empirical science

based solely on based solely on naturalismnaturalism

Naturalism excludes Naturalism excludes any possibility of any possibility of anything other than anything other than the physical.the physical.

Spiritual explanations Spiritual explanations are excluded.are excluded.

Latin: Latin: scientiascientia = Knowledge = Knowledge

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Contemporary ScientismContemporary Scientism

““Biology is a Biology is a naturalnatural science. science. NaturalNatural science seeks science seeks naturalnatural explanations for explanations for naturalnatural phenomena. What there is phenomena. What there is no no placeplace for in the teaching of science is for in the teaching of science is offering offering supernaturalsupernatural explanations for explanations for naturalnatural phenomena.” phenomena.”

Vincent P. Cirillo, Senior Lecturer, School of Natural Vincent P. Cirillo, Senior Lecturer, School of Natural Science and Mathematics, UT-DallasScience and Mathematics, UT-Dallas

Dallas Morning News, Friday Letters 4 Jan. 2008Dallas Morning News, Friday Letters 4 Jan. 2008

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Contemporary ScientismContemporary Scientism

““Scientists refrain from considering Gods actions in their work. Instead they use observation, experimentation, logical arguments, heuristics, and healthy skepticism to produce scientific knowledge.”“Scientific theories are therefore explanations about aspects of nature without reference to God.”

National Science Teachers Association (USA)National Science Teachers Association (USA)The Science Teacher, Nov 2003, p34The Science Teacher, Nov 2003, p34

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Contemporary ScientismContemporary Scientism

““Methodological naturalism, the view that natural phenomena can be explained without reference to supernatural beings or events, is the foundation of the natural sciences.

Prof. Mark R. Ackermann, Department of Veterinary Prof. Mark R. Ackermann, Department of Veterinary Psychology, Iowa State University and 119 of his Psychology, Iowa State University and 119 of his colleagues.colleagues.

IowaStateDaily.com August 23, 2005IowaStateDaily.com August 23, 2005

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Contemporary ScientismContemporary Scientism

““Expert testimony reveals that since the scientific Expert testimony reveals that since the scientific revolution of the 16th and 17th centuries, science revolution of the 16th and 17th centuries, science has been limited to the search for has been limited to the search for naturalnatural causes to causes to explain explain naturalnatural phenomena. phenomena.

“While supernatural explanations may be important and have merit, they are not part of science.“This self-imposed convention of science, which limits inquiry to testable, natural explanations about the natural world, is referred to by philosophers as ‘methodological naturalism’ and is sometimes known as the scientific method.”

Judge John E. Jones IIIJudge John E. Jones IIIUS District Court Pennsylvania – Dover ID Trial Court Ruling 20 Dec 2005. P. US District Court Pennsylvania – Dover ID Trial Court Ruling 20 Dec 2005. P.

64/6564/65

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History rewritten?History rewritten?

Isaac Newton1642 to 1727

Michael Faraday1791 to 1867

Louis Pasteur1822 to 1895

James ClerkMaxwell

1831 to 1879

William Herschel 1738-1822, Humphrey Davy 1778-1829, William Buckland 1784-1856, Richard Owen 1804-1892

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““Self-imposed convention of science”Self-imposed convention of science”Where did it come from?Where did it come from?

““I always feel as if my books came half out of Lyell's I always feel as if my books came half out of Lyell's brain, and that I never acknowledge this sufficiently;brain, and that I never acknowledge this sufficiently; nor nor do I know how I can without saying so in so many do I know how I can without saying so in so many words-for I have always thought that words-for I have always thought that the great merit of the great merit of the Principles was that it altered the whole tone of one's the Principles was that it altered the whole tone of one's mindmind, and therefore that, when seeing a thing never , and therefore that, when seeing a thing never seen by Lyell, one yet saw it partially through his eyes.”seen by Lyell, one yet saw it partially through his eyes.”

Charles Darwin1809 to 1882

Charles Lyell1797 to 1875

Charles Darwin in a letter to L. Horner, August 29th 1844.

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““I am sure you may get into QR (Quarterly Review) I am sure you may get into QR (Quarterly Review) what will free the science from Moseswhat will free the science from Moses, for if treated , for if treated seriously the (church) party are ready for it.seriously the (church) party are ready for it.

““Perhaps I should have been tenderer about the Perhaps I should have been tenderer about the Koran. Don’t meddle much with that if at all. If we Koran. Don’t meddle much with that if at all. If we don’t irritate, which I fear that we may (through mere don’t irritate, which I fear that we may (through mere history), we shall carry all with us. If you don’t history), we shall carry all with us. If you don’t triumph over them, but compliment the liberality and triumph over them, but compliment the liberality and candour of the present age, the bishops and the candour of the present age, the bishops and the enlightened saints will join us in despising both the enlightened saints will join us in despising both the ancient and modern physico-theologians. It is just the ancient and modern physico-theologians. It is just the time to strike…time to strike…Charles Lyell June 14 1830 letter to George Poulett Scrope parliamentarianCharles Lyell June 14 1830 letter to George Poulett Scrope parliamentarianand fellow uniformitarian geologist.and fellow uniformitarian geologist.

Katherine Lyell ‘Life, Letters and Journals of Sir Charles Lyell’, Bart., Vol I: p. 268-271Katherine Lyell ‘Life, Letters and Journals of Sir Charles Lyell’, Bart., Vol I: p. 268-271

““Self-imposed convention of science”Self-imposed convention of science”Where did it come from?Where did it come from?

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““Self-imposed convention of science”Self-imposed convention of science”Where did it come from?Where did it come from?

““I conceived the idea five or six years ago I conceived the idea five or six years ago [1824/5] [1824/5] that if ever the Mosaic geology that if ever the Mosaic geology could be set down without giving offence, it could be set down without giving offence, it would be in an historical sketchwould be in an historical sketch, and you , and you must extract mine, in order to say as little as must extract mine, in order to say as little as possible yourself.”possible yourself.”

Charles Lyell June 14 1830 letter to George Poulett Scrope Charles Lyell June 14 1830 letter to George Poulett Scrope parliamentarian and fellow uniformitarian geologist.parliamentarian and fellow uniformitarian geologist.

Katherine Lyell ‘Life, Letters and Journals of Sir Charles Lyell’, Bart., Vol I: p. 268-271Katherine Lyell ‘Life, Letters and Journals of Sir Charles Lyell’, Bart., Vol I: p. 268-271

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““Self-imposed convention of science”Self-imposed convention of science”Where did it come from?Where did it come from?

““During these two years [October 1836 to During these two years [October 1836 to January 1839?] I was led to think much about January 1839?] I was led to think much about religion…religion…““But I had gradually come, by this time, But I had gradually come, by this time, to see to see that the Old Testament from its manifestly that the Old Testament from its manifestly false history of the worldfalse history of the world, with the Tower of , with the Tower of Babel, the rainbow as a sign, etc., etc., and Babel, the rainbow as a sign, etc., etc., and from its attributing to God the feelings of a from its attributing to God the feelings of a revengeful tyrant, was no more to be trusted revengeful tyrant, was no more to be trusted than the sacred books of the Hindoos, or the than the sacred books of the Hindoos, or the beliefs of any barbarian.”beliefs of any barbarian.”

The autobiography of The autobiography of Charles DarwinCharles Darwin, 1809-1882: with original omissions restored. New York, W.W. Norton, 1969. , 1809-1882: with original omissions restored. New York, W.W. Norton, 1969. p. 85.p. 85.

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““Self-imposed convention of science”Self-imposed convention of science”Where did it come from?Where did it come from?

““Charles Lyell was a lawyer by Charles Lyell was a lawyer by profession, and his book is one of the profession, and his book is one of the most brilliant briefs published by an most brilliant briefs published by an advocate…advocate…

““Lyell relied upon true bits of cunning Lyell relied upon true bits of cunning to establish his uniformitarian views as to establish his uniformitarian views as the only true geology. First, he set up the only true geology. First, he set up a straw man to demolish…a straw man to demolish…

Prof. Stephen J. Gould, Natural History February 1975, p. 16.Prof. Stephen J. Gould, Natural History February 1975, p. 16.

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““Self-imposed convention of science”Self-imposed convention of science”Where did it come from?Where did it come from?

““In fact, the catastrophists were much more In fact, the catastrophists were much more empirically minded than Lyellempirically minded than Lyell. The geologic . The geologic record does seem to require catastrophes: record does seem to require catastrophes: rocks are fractured and contorted; whole rocks are fractured and contorted; whole faunas are wiped out. faunas are wiped out. To circumvent this literal To circumvent this literal appearance, appearance, Lyell imposed his imagination Lyell imposed his imagination upon the evidenceupon the evidence. The geologic record, he . The geologic record, he argued, is extremely imperfect and we must argued, is extremely imperfect and we must interpolate into it what we can reasonably infer interpolate into it what we can reasonably infer but cannot see. but cannot see. The catastrophists were the The catastrophists were the hardnosed empiricists of their dayhardnosed empiricists of their day, not the , not the blinded theological apologists.”blinded theological apologists.”

Prof. Stephen J. Gould, Natural History February 1975, p. 16.Prof. Stephen J. Gould, Natural History February 1975, p. 16.

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Naturalism – where is the evidence?Naturalism – where is the evidence?

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Naturalism – where is the evidence?Naturalism – where is the evidence?

http://www.historyoftheuniverse.com/origlife.html - Biological Environment > Origin http://www.historyoftheuniverse.com/origlife.html - Biological Environment > Origin of Lifeof Life

Some people Some people thinkthink that life was carried to Earth that life was carried to Earth from another planet. But that just puts back the from another planet. But that just puts back the problem of how life began to that other planet. It is problem of how life began to that other planet. It is simplest to simplest to assumeassume that life began on Earth. Indeed, that life began on Earth. Indeed, the Earth has the right conditions for life to exist. It the Earth has the right conditions for life to exist. It is at just the right distance from the Sun for water is at just the right distance from the Sun for water to be a liquid, and its orbit is almost circular. This is to be a liquid, and its orbit is almost circular. This is probablyprobably unusual among planets round other stars, unusual among planets round other stars, so it seems sensible to so it seems sensible to assumeassume Earth was the place Earth was the place where life began.where life began.

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Naturalism – where is the evidence?Naturalism – where is the evidence?

http://www.historyoftheuniverse.com/origlife.html - Biological Environment > Origin of Lifehttp://www.historyoftheuniverse.com/origlife.html - Biological Environment > Origin of Life

Nucleic acids and proteins are built mainly from hydrogen, Nucleic acids and proteins are built mainly from hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen and carbon atoms, which are among the oxygen, nitrogen and carbon atoms, which are among the commonest atoms in the Universe. They were commonest atoms in the Universe. They were certainlycertainly present in the atmosphere released by the volcanoes of the present in the atmosphere released by the volcanoes of the young Earth.young Earth.

This atmosphere This atmosphere probablyprobably contained molecules such as contained molecules such as methane, ammonia, carbon dioxide and water, but not oxygen methane, ammonia, carbon dioxide and water, but not oxygen molecules. molecules. Experiments show that energy such as lightning Experiments show that energy such as lightning can create amino acids and bases out of these simpler can create amino acids and bases out of these simpler molecules.molecules. They They werewere washed down to Earth in the rain. There washed down to Earth in the rain. There they they werewere joined together to make nucleic acids and proteins, joined together to make nucleic acids and proteins, perhapsperhaps by being heated on the slopes of volcanoes, or on the by being heated on the slopes of volcanoes, or on the ocean floor where hot rock rises from the Earth's mantle.ocean floor where hot rock rises from the Earth's mantle.

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Naturalism – where is the evidence?Naturalism – where is the evidence?

http://www.historyoftheuniverse.com/origlife.html - Biological Environment > Origin of Lifehttp://www.historyoftheuniverse.com/origlife.html - Biological Environment > Origin of Life

Life as we know it is a chemical system which needs both Life as we know it is a chemical system which needs both proteins and nucleic acids working closely together. But proteins and nucleic acids working closely together. But perhapsperhaps, , before life began, there was some simpler system which just before life began, there was some simpler system which just used one type of molecule. One used one type of molecule. One ideaidea is that nucleic acids stuck to is that nucleic acids stuck to clay. A chemical system clay. A chemical system mightmight have begun which could grow and have begun which could grow and reproduce without the use of proteins. This type of reproduce without the use of proteins. This type of theorytheory is is popular because nucleic acid sometimes acts like an enzyme in popular because nucleic acid sometimes acts like an enzyme in life today.life today.PerhapsPerhaps later life began to use proteins as the workers, and later life began to use proteins as the workers, and these gradually took over all the jobs of life, leaving the nucleic these gradually took over all the jobs of life, leaving the nucleic acids as mainly the information carriers. Clay acids as mainly the information carriers. Clay stoppedstopped being being used, and modern life used, and modern life beganbegan..We do not know whether this theory is correctWe do not know whether this theory is correct. It raises . It raises many questions. How did those first nucleic acids formmany questions. How did those first nucleic acids form?? How did How did they begin to use proteinsthey begin to use proteins?? Was there a stage of life before Was there a stage of life before nucleic acids, and what chemicals did it usenucleic acids, and what chemicals did it use?? Is life common on Is life common on other planets in the Universe, or did it only begin on Earthother planets in the Universe, or did it only begin on Earth??

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Naturalism – where is the evidence?Naturalism – where is the evidence?

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Naturalism – where is the evidence?Naturalism – where is the evidence?

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Naturalism – where is the evidence?Naturalism – where is the evidence?

Answer:Answer:

IN THE MINDS IN THE MINDS OF MENOF MEN

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The rest can buy one for The rest can buy one for £5.00£5.00

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Christianity – Faith based on facts.Christianity – Faith based on facts.

““If Christ has not been raised, then our If Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain.” preaching is vain, your faith also is vain.” New Testament – 1 Corinthians 15v14New Testament – 1 Corinthians 15v14

Lyell, a lawyer, and Darwin who had Lyell, a lawyer, and Darwin who had studied Theology at Cambridge studied Theology at Cambridge University, both recognised this.University, both recognised this.

Today’s atheists know this, despite their Today’s atheists know this, despite their arguments to the contrary, or else they arguments to the contrary, or else they would not attack Christianity by would not attack Christianity by challenging its historical accuracy.challenging its historical accuracy.

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Christianity – Faith based on facts.Christianity – Faith based on facts.

It is claimed that Biblical creation is It is claimed that Biblical creation is untestable.untestable.

However the Bible makes at least two However the Bible makes at least two claims about the creation which can be claims about the creation which can be tested through observations.tested through observations.

Animal and plants reproduce after their Animal and plants reproduce after their kind (Gen. 1 × 10).kind (Gen. 1 × 10).

Since creation the Creator’s Since creation the Creator’s invisible invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, can be clearly seen and nature, can be clearly seen and understood through what has been understood through what has been made (Rom. 1).made (Rom. 1).

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Christianity – Faith based on facts.Christianity – Faith based on facts.

Which agrees with the facts?

Creation

After their kind.

Variation within a kind.

Evolution

Not after their kind.

Variation between kinds.

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Christianity – Faith based on facts.Christianity – Faith based on facts.

Dec. 03 Dec. 03 CRUSTACEANS: CRUSTACEANS: The fossil indicates that ostracods “have had essentially the same anatomy for a record breaking 425 million years.”

Mar. 06 LAONASTES AENIGMAMUS (RODENT): The sole survivor of a group that otherwise died out 11 million years ago, according to fossil data… But scientists now believe it is a “living fossil”.

Jun. 06 GANSUS YUMENENSIS (BIRD): 110 million year old specimens of the grebe-like birds… “If you took most of the bones in its body, including famous pieces like the breastbone and the wishbone, and put them next to those of a modern bird, you'd have a lot of difficulty telling them apart.”

Stasis in the fossil recordStasis in the fossil record

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Christianity – Faith based on facts.Christianity – Faith based on facts.

Oct. 06 LAMPREYS (FISH): Scientists discovered a 360 million year old lamprey,.. demonstrating that modern lampreys are remarkable living fossils.

Jan. 07 LEAF INSECT: …little has changed with leaf insects during the last 47 million years. Though the fossil has a few differences, it bears a considerable resemblance to extant leaf insects in the size and shape of its segments.

Mar. 08 MODERN LIFE IN ANCIENT MATS: The observation that specific structures were formed in the same places, relative to the tidal range, where they are found today adds confidence to this interpretation. This particularly well-preserved and diverse set of mat-related structures thus adds to a growing record of sedimentary microbial communities extending from 3.4 billion years ago to the present. Remarkably, many of the physical properties of mats and the environments in which they grew seem not to have changed over most of that time.

Stasis in the fossil recordStasis in the fossil record

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Christianity – Faith based on facts.Christianity – Faith based on facts.

Surprise in the fossil Surprise in the fossil recordrecordThe 380 million-year-old The 380 million-year-old

specimen has been specimen has been preserved with an embryo preserved with an embryo still attached by its still attached by its umbilical cord. umbilical cord. The find, The find, reported in Nature, reported in Nature, pushes back the pushes back the emergence of this emergence of this reproductive strategy reproductive strategy by some 200 million by some 200 million years.years. Until now, Until now, scientists thought scientists thought creatures from these times creatures from these times were only able to develop were only able to develop their young inside eggs.their young inside eggs.

28 May 2008http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7424281.stmhttp://www.nature.com/news/2008/080528/full/453575a.htmlhttp://museumvictoria.com.au/About/MV-News/2008/Mother-fish/

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Christianity – Faith based on facts.Christianity – Faith based on facts.

““While we look down with awe into these While we look down with awe into these unsearchable depths and treasure up with care unsearchable depths and treasure up with care what with our little line and plummet we can what with our little line and plummet we can reach, reach, we ought to admire the wisdom of we ought to admire the wisdom of Him who has so arranged these mysteriesHim who has so arranged these mysteries that we can first find that which we can that we can first find that which we can understand at first and the rest in order so that understand at first and the rest in order so that it is possible for us to have an ever increasing it is possible for us to have an ever increasing stock of known truth concerning things whose stock of known truth concerning things whose nature is absolutely incomprehensible.”nature is absolutely incomprehensible.”

James Clerk MaxwellJames Clerk Maxwell,,Inaugural Lecture, Aberdeen, 3 November 1856, Scientific Letters and Papers, Inaugural Lecture, Aberdeen, 3 November 1856, Scientific Letters and Papers,

1:427.1:427.

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His eternal power and divine natureHis eternal power and divine nature

““...The belief in design is a necessary ...The belief in design is a necessary consequence of the Laws of Thought acting on the consequence of the Laws of Thought acting on the phenomena of perception.phenomena of perception.

““But every well-ascertained law points to But every well-ascertained law points to some central cause, and at once constitutes some central cause, and at once constitutes that centre a being in the general sense of that centre a being in the general sense of the wordthe word. Whether that being be personal is a . Whether that being be personal is a question which may be determined by induction. question which may be determined by induction. The less difficult question whether the being be The less difficult question whether the being be intelligent is more practicable, and should be kept intelligent is more practicable, and should be kept in view in the investigation of organised beings.in view in the investigation of organised beings.

James Clerk MaxwellJames Clerk Maxwell,,Essay, “What is the Nature of Evidence of Design?” 1853.Essay, “What is the Nature of Evidence of Design?” 1853.

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His eternal power and divine natureHis eternal power and divine nature

……They continue this day as they were They continue this day as they were created—perfect in number and created—perfect in number and measure and weight; and from the measure and weight; and from the ineffaceable characters impressed on ineffaceable characters impressed on them we may learn that those them we may learn that those aspirations after accuracy in aspirations after accuracy in measurement, and justice in action, measurement, and justice in action, which we reckon among our noblest which we reckon among our noblest attributes as men, attributes as men, are ours because are ours because they are essential constituents of they are essential constituents of the image of Him who in the the image of Him who in the beginning created, not only the beginning created, not only the heaven and the earth, but the heaven and the earth, but the materials of which heaven and materials of which heaven and earth consistearth consist..

James Clerk MaxwellJames Clerk Maxwell “Discourse on Molecules” “Discourse on Molecules”The British Association for the Advancement of Science, Bradford, September The British Association for the Advancement of Science, Bradford, September

18731873

Three part understanding of electromagnetism: the magnetic field, the electric field, and the vector interaction

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His eternal power and divine natureHis eternal power and divine nature

3 states of matter3 states of matter Solid, liquid & gasSolid, liquid & gas 3 dimensions of space3 dimensions of space Width, height & depthWidth, height & depth 3 aspects of time3 aspects of time Past, present & futurePast, present & future 3 sided shape – triangle3 sided shape – triangle Strongest structural formStrongest structural form 3 ‘letters’ in a 3 ‘letters’ in a DNA DNA ‘word’‘word’ CTT CTT TTA GGG etc.TTA GGG etc. 3 types of subatomic3 types of subatomic Protons, neutrons & Protons, neutrons &

particles particles electronselectrons 3 quarks in every proton3 quarks in every proton 6 types: 3 have 6 types: 3 have +⅔ +⅔

charge charge and neutronand neutron & 3 have -⅓ charge& 3 have -⅓ charge

3 3 known flavors of leptonknown flavors of lepton Electron, muon, & tauElectron, muon, & tau 3 Primary colours3 Primary colours Light – red, green & blueLight – red, green & blue

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His eternal power and divine natureHis eternal power and divine nature

This reflects the understanding that the fullness of the Creator God is expressed in three persons not in one nor in many.

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If Christ has not been raised…If Christ has not been raised…your faith also is vainyour faith also is vain

Neither CSI nor Neither CSI nor Richard Dawkins can Richard Dawkins can investigate this one; it investigate this one; it took place too long took place too long ago.ago.

Empirical science is Empirical science is limited to repeatable limited to repeatable physical events.physical events.

Such science cannot Such science cannot prove (or disprove) prove (or disprove) friendship, hate, love, friendship, hate, love, sorrow and the like.sorrow and the like.

Grave robbery

or resurrected Saviour?

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If Christ has not been raised…If Christ has not been raised…your faith also is vainyour faith also is vain

The most certain proof The most certain proof of Christianity is that of Christianity is that the resurrected the resurrected Saviour has promised Saviour has promised to make Himself to make Himself known to those who known to those who are prepared to seek are prepared to seek Him wholeheartedly.Him wholeheartedly.Since Lyell, science Since Lyell, science has become an has become an excuse for not doing excuse for not doing so!so!

Grave robbery

or resurrected Saviour?