michael rafferty police interview
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Michael Rafferty was first interviewed by two police officers on May 15, 2009 after his name cropped up as an associate of Terri-Lynne McClintic. The 29-minute interview was done at his mother's home in Woodstock. Rafferty was arrested and charged with Tori Stafford's murder four days later on May 19.TRANSCRIPT
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TRANSCRIPT OF RECORDED INTERVIEW RMS#: RM09043058
Audio Recorded Interview:
Video Recorded Interview:
Name: Michael RAFFERTY
Residence:
Date of Birth:
Telephone: Residence:
Business:
Cell:
Date of Interview: 15May09
Location of Interview:
Interviewed By: D/Cst. Gord JOHNSON
D/Cst. Colin DARMON
Time Interview Commenced: 19:04 hours
Time Interview Concluded: 19:33 hours
Others Present:
Transcribed By: Christine Freeman
Copy-Write Transcribing Service
Proofed By: D/Cst. Gord JOHNSON
09Jul09
(u/i) unintelligible (ph) phonetic spelling
Interview of Michael RAFFERTY – 15May09
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OFFICER: D/Cst. Gord JOHNSON = JOHNSON
SUBJECT: Michael RAFFERTY = RAFFERTY
MOTHER: Debbie MURPHY = MURPHY
JOHNSON: it’s the fifteenth (15th) uh of May, two thousand nine (2009) I
have a time of seven (7) O (0) four (4) P.M. my name’s Gord
JOHNSON I’m a Detective Constable with the O.P.P. also
present is my partner Colin DARMON of the O.P.P. and we’re
talking to Michael RAFFERTY Mike can I get the spelling of
your first and last name please
RAFFERTY: M I C H A E L R A F F E R T Y
JOHNSON: okay and ah just for the record uh this is being audiotaped and
I’ve already received your personal information um before the
recorder was turned on is that correct
RAFFERTY: yes
JOHNSON: and can I just get your age
RAFFERTY: I’m twenty-eight (28)
JOHNSON: okay um the reason why you’re here today is that uh we’re
investigating the abduction of ah a girl by the name of Victoria
she goes by Tori STAFFORD
RAFFERTY: um hmm
Interview of Michael RAFFERTY – 15May09
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JOHNSON: back on the eighth (8th) of April two thousand nine (2009) and
as part of our investigation we’ve bin interviewing all kinds of
people and ah your name has has come up just as a person to
contact now do you know anything about the case at all have
you heard anything or
RAFFERTY: um just the stuff that you hear like on the news and stuff I
mean you kinda keep your ears peeled to what everybody’s
saying too because you uh know you wanna help but
JOHNSON: right
RAFFERTY: um there was a girl who I was sort of seeing um well who I met
who ah who was like telling me like stuff that she was hearing
and stuff like that if any of it’s true I don’t know but
JOHNSON: okay
RAFFERTY: that’s about it (laugh)
JOHNSON: can you tell me about this girl who
RAFFERTY: I don’t know her last name her first name was Amanda um she
was apparently friends with her daughter was friends with um
the girl who went missing
JOHNSON: okay so Amanda how do you know Amanda
RAFFERTY: I we went on a couple dates that’s about it
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JOHNSON: okay so Amanda’s daughter
RAFFERTY: Amanda’s daughter is best friends with or was friends with this
girl who went missing so
JOHNSON: okay and you don’t know Amanda’s last name at all
RAFFERTY: no
JOHNSON: do you know the daughter’s name
RAFFERTY: no
JOHNSON: so you’ve met went out with Amanda a couple times
RAFFERTY: a couple times yeah
JOHNSON: where does Amanda live then
RAFFERTY: ah here in town she lives um (pause) ah it starts with a B it’s
the second last street out of town just before the train tracks by
the Tim Hortons um if you’re going down Dundas that way um
it’s the second last street out of before you get out of town um
Baxber Bexter or Baxter or something along those lines
JOHNSON: yeah we’re not from around here
RAFFERTY: okay it’s
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JOHNSON: we’re from out of the area as well
RAFFERTY: something along those lines it’s it’s like um it’s the second last
street out of town so
JOHNSON: okay that’s fine and when ah were you dating Amanda
RAFFERTY: um we were talking before all this craziness stuff went
happening and stuff like that and then we I’d say like three (3)
times we met hung out that was about it
JOHNSON: when was so when was that that you met up with her and hung
out with her
RAFFERTY: um well we were talking maybe a month and a half I think
before all that happened before
JOHNSON: before the girl went missing
RAFFERTY: yeah and then um once the girl went missing she started
spending a lot of time um with the family there and we started
not spending so much time with each other and then we just
stopped talking
JOHNSON: Amanda started spending time with the family whose family
RAFFERTY: with the girl who went missing with her family
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JOHNSON: oh okay
RAFFERTY: I can’t remember the mom’s name but she
JOHNSON: Tara MCDONALD
RAFFERTY: yeah
JOHNSON: have you met Tara MCDONALD
RAFFERTY: no I don’t know who she is
JOHNSON: okay does Amanda just ah you know um for my own sake you
know to know her to find out who she is does she work
somewhere
RAFFERTY: does Amanda work somewhere
JOHNSON: yeah
RAFFERTY: not that I know of but she works somewhere I don’t know
where I don’t really know anything about her
JOHNSON: oh really
RAFFERTY: like I just I mean we didn’t really get too close
JOHNSON: okay
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RAFFERTY: like we we fooled around and stuff but that was it
JOHNSON: right so when’s the last time you would have uh spoke to
Amanda or saw her
RAFFERTY: um I’d say like a week and a half two (2) weeks um after that
girl went missing she said that um like she was going through a
lot of problems apparently or something and so I just we just
kinda cut it off sorta about that time
JOHNSON: so how long ago was
RAFFERTY: about two (2) weeks
JOHNSON: two (2) weeks ago
RAFFERTY: a week and a half two (2) weeks no a week and a half two (2)
weeks after after the girl went missing
JOHNSON: okay and um what did Amanda tell you about the case then you
said she kinda spoke about it
RAFFERTY: well she just told me like uh she her daughter was friends with
the little girl um that the mom um was into a lot of stuff and
JOHNSON: like what
RAFFERTY: like drugs and stuff like that and I don’t know just and just the
stuff that I mean you hear on the news but it’s different when
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you hear it from somebody who’s like friends with them or
who knows them or something like that so you just kinda I
mean I don’t know what to you don’t know how to react to it
but on the other hand you just it’s too much drama so you just
kinda cut it out
JOHNSON: yeah um did she say what kind of drugs they’re into
RAFFERTY: no
JOHNSON: no
RAFFERTY: no um I know like the word on the street is a lot different
though like the words the words that kinda you know people
say like I hear that girl’s always at Goodtime Charlie’s and
JOHNSON: what girl
RAFFERTY: the mom um Tara that she’s like at Goodtime Charlie’s and that
place is like a crack bar apparently like everybody who does
drugs in the town hangs out there so um just (laugh) I don’t
know how to react to it like I don’t it’s not my business but on
the other hand it’s too much drama when you hear somebody
like gossiping and talking behind other people’s backs
JOHNSON: um so have you bin in town that long
RAFFERTY: no like have I what do you mean
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JOHNSON: live in town here
RAFFERTY: have I lived in town long
JOHNSON: yeah
RAFFERTY: no
JOHNSON: okay how long then
RAFFERTY: few months
JOHNSON: just for the record
RAFFERTY: oh a few months
JOHNSON: just a few months so when did you arrive in Woodstock
RAFFERTY: ah I don’t know exactly it was like I was I was here for a bit
um beginning of last summer like for um like my girlfriend and
I had a place and then ah we came here to stay with my mom
and my girlfriend um moved out and I stayed with my mom
and then I met a new girlfriend and I moved in with her for a
bit but not legally lived with her like we just I just stayed there
a lot when I came here like once a month to visit
JOHNSON: okay so just to go back so you you moved to Woodstock when
was that
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RAFFERTY: ah
JOHNSON: with your girlfriend
RAFFERTY: yeah that was that was last year like the beginning of last year
JOHNSON: in the winter spring
RAFFERTY: I think it was in the winter that we came here other no it was it
was beginning of spring the end of winter beginning of spring
that that we came here
JOHNSON: what year
RAFFERTY: last year
JOHNSON: two thousand and eight (2008)
RAFFERTY: yeah
JOHNSON: okay and who did you come with
RAFFERTY: my girlfriend
JOHNSON: and her name
RAFFERTY: Leslie (assumed spelling)
JOHNSON: Leslie
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RAFFERTY: MCKENZIE (assumed spelling)
JOHNSON: okay it’s just that I need the information you know what I mean
if you can just give me names
RAFFERTY: I just don’t feel comfortable giving everybody’s name
JOHNSON: well it’s just
RAFFERTY: like it’s not
JOHNSON: it’s just we need that information do you know what I mean so
RAFFERTY: but it doesn’t sorry just doesn’t make sense to me why you
would need my girlfriend’s name who moved out
JOHNSON: well just because it’s you’re talking about someone we don’t
know who you’re talking about
RAFFERTY: okay
JOHNSON: you know what I mean just to complete it
RAFFERTY: um hmm
JOHNSON: um so you mention ah you moved into your mother’s place and
can I get her name
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RAFFERTY: Debbie MURPHY (assumed spelling)
JOHNSON: okay and so when you
RAFFERTY: she lived here with her boyfriend
JOHNSON: and can I get his name
RAFFERTY: David RIDDELL (assumed spelling)
JOHNSON: and how do you spell his last name
RAFFERTY: R I D D E L…I don’t know exactly
JOHNSON: okay so how long did you stay with your mom for
RAFFERTY: um we I stayed for a couple weeks
JOHNSON: yep
RAFFERTY: um it was just my girlfriend and I for a couple weeks and then I
started working in Oakville with my brother um and then I met
somebody there so I started spending more time with them and
then well in that time my girlfriend had already moved out um
she went and she just wasn’t happy so she moved out and then
while I was working there I met somebody who lived like right
in the area that I was working in so I stayed
JOHNSON: in Oakville
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RAFFERTY: yeah
JOHNSON: okay
RAFFERTY: so I stayed with her for a little bit and then um like I still
technically lived here but I was never here at all
JOHNSON: whereabouts in Oakville were you working
RAFFERTY: Glen Abbey
JOHNSON: oh okay
RAFFERTY: um yeah and then my brother’s business was done but then I
kept business going for myself which was good um doing the
same kind of stuff like construction landscaping and stuff
JOHNSON: yeah
RAFFERTY: and then she ah my girlfriend the girl I was seeing at the time
there was getting me like a lot of jobs and stuff so that was
good
JOHNSON: that’s good yeah
RAFFERTY: um then I came back here after Christmas because her and I
split up so I came back here after Christmas and it was like um
January February ish that I came here
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JOHNSON: two thousand nine (2009)
RAFFERTY: yeah
JOHNSON: yeah
RAFFERTY: and that’s it I’ve been here since
JOHNSON: have you been working here then
RAFFERTY: I’ve been looking for jobs I’ve been doing like odd jobs I don’t
know if I should tell you guys like like I just don’t want
JOHNSON: we’re not
RAFFERTY: I don’t wanna get in trouble over it
JOHNSON: we’re not ah interested in the part okay
RAFFERTY: you know but I don’t want things to bite me in the ass you
know
JOHNSON: no what types of jobs are you doing
RAFFERTY: like construction jobs
JOHNSON: yeah
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RAFFERTY: like
JOHNSON: okay
RAFFERTY: cash jobs
JOHNSON: sure okay just for the record what’s your brother’s name then
RAFFERTY: Jonathan (assumed spelling) CUNDY
JOHNSON: (u/i)
RAFFERTY: I have two (2) two (2) brothers
JOHNSON: Jonathan and
RAFFERTY: Jonathan CUNDY
JOHNSON: CUNDY how do you spell that last name
RAFFERTY: C U N D Y
JOHNSON: okay and your girlfriend at the time
RAFFERTY: I don’t want
JOHNSON: in Oakville
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RAFFERTY: I don’t want to mention her I’ll call her Kate but I’m not giving
you her last name
JOHNSON: okay Kate that’s fine so you since you’ve bin back in
Woodstock you’ve bin doing part-time jobs and so on
RAFFERTY: and helping out around here because this place is was a dump
so
JOHNSON: okay um have you got to know some people in town here other
than Amanda then
RAFFERTY: I know I’ve met maybe four (4) met four (4) people that’s
about it
JOHNSON: who are they
RAFFERTY: ah a girl named Joy
JOHNSON: Joy
RAFFERTY: yeah
JOHNSON: and what’s her last name
RAFFERTY: don’t wanna give it (laugh)
JOHNSON: well it’s important that we know about it
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RAFFERTY: it’s not
JOHNSON: okay it’s local
RAFFERTY: I’m not gonna give it (laugh) I don’t wanna like I just met her I
don’t want something
JOHNSON: okay so it’s just like a friendship type of thing
RAFFERTY: for now for now
JOHNSON: okay
RAFFERTY: um oh and Terri-Lynne
JOHNSON: yeah you know her last name
RAFFERTY: no
JOHNSON: okay
RAFFERTY: I thought LYNNE was her last name for a bit but I guess not
(laugh)
JOHNSON: okay
RAFFERTY: um (pause) ah somebody works at Staple’s I met that was it I
don’t Rob ZEEZER (CSISZAR)
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JOHNSON: Rob ZEEZER (CSISZAR)
RAFFERTY: something like that I don’t we don’t even know each like we
met each other once and we hung out at Crabby Joe’s with a
crowd of people and that was the only name that I remembered
so
JOHNSON: okay
RAFFERTY: that was about it because he has a car that’s nicely decked out
so
JOHNSON: yeah what’s he got
RAFFERTY: ah an Acura
JOHNSON: oh
RAFFERTY: it’s just it’s done nice so
JOHNSON: yeah
RAFFERTY: that’s the only reason
JOHNSON: notice yours is nice and it’s a little older but
RAFFERTY: no it’s got a lotta needs a paint job and a bunch of other stuff
but
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JOHNSON: looks like it’s got a paint job on there
RAFFERTY: yeah but (laugh)
JOHNSON: you painted it
RAFFERTY: paint job from hell
JOHNSON: yeah
RAFFERTY: it’s on it’s way it’s a work in progress
JOHNSON: yeah
RAFFERTY: so who else that’s
JOHNSON: that’s who you
RAFFERTY: I mean I can’t that’s that’s all I know like I don’t think I know
anybody I mean I meet people at my gym or something but
that’s it like I don’t
JOHNSON: so do you hang out with certain like out of Joy or Terri-Lynne
or Rob do you hang out with them more
RAFFERTY: I don’t hang out with Rob like I met Rob once
JOHNSON: okay
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RAFFERTY: I don’t know Rob
JOHNSON: what about Joy do you see her a little bit or how old would she
be around
RAFFERTY: yeah she’s older than me um
JOHNSON: roughly
RAFFERTY: I’m not comfortable telling anybody about that personal
information
JOHNSON: okay well
RAFFERTY: just because I just think
JOHNSON: what about Terri-Lynne how old is she then
RAFFERTY: I don’t know nineteen (19) I think
JOHNSON: okay
RAFFERTY: I don’t know
JOHNSON: um anyone else then
RAFFERTY: not that I can like I don’t know anybody like I
JOHNSON: right
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RAFFERTY: I’ve met people but I don’t know anybody
JOHNSON: okay
RAFFERTY: like I I couldn’t give first and last names of anybody I know
because I haven’t haven’t bin friends with anybody I don’t
know anybody so
JOHNSON: so back on the eighth (8th) of April okay when the little girl
went missing uh
RAFFERTY: okay
JOHNSON: um did you follow it at all did you hear about it in the in the
news or anything like that
RAFFERTY: I heard the helicopters and stuff
JOHNSON: did ya
RAFFERTY: and that’s when I realized that some crazy stuff was going on
but
JOHNSON: right when when was the first that you heard about it like who
told you about it
RAFFERTY: the helicopters that morning and I was sleeping and I heard the
helicopter I was like holy crap and then that’s when
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everybody’s talking my mom said did you know that this
happened and then yeah
JOHNSON: it was a Wednesday ah she she went missing
RAFFERTY: oh I don’t remember what day
JOHNSON: from you know it was a Wednesday from Oliver Stephen’s up
on ah the Fyfe Ave area
RAFFERTY: um hmm
JOHNSON: do you know that area at all over by Fyfe
RAFFERTY: yeah I know where the area is
JOHNSON: okay ah that’s where she was last seen uh
RAFFERTY: um hmm
JOHNSON: around you know the three (3) thirty (30) mark or so um have
you talked to any other than Pamela…or Amanda anyone else
or have you talked to Terri-Lynne about it at all
RAFFERTY: yeah she said um people were asking her questions about it and
that um she something about I don’t know some thing
regarding like the mom was into drugs or something and I
don’t know how that whole scenario works out but
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JOHNSON: but who’s mom
RAFFERTY: the girl’s mom
JOHNSON: okay was into drugs again
RAFFERTY: yeah
JOHNSON: so similar to what you heard from
RAFFERTY: something like everybody like
JOHNSON: Amanda
RAFFERTY: I think Terri-Lynne hangs around a lot of bad people or a lot of
druggies or a lot of messed up people and they all talk and she
said the word is that you know she’s into drugs or owes a lot of
money for drugs just stupid shit like that that you hear so
JOHNSON: so what about uh Terri-Lynne would she be into drugs at all do
you know
RAFFERTY: I know that her mom is
JOHNSON: what’s her
RAFFERTY: her mom’s messed up
JOHNSON: is she
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RAFFERTY: like she’s she’s messed up
JOHNSON: like in what way like drugs
RAFFERTY: she like yeah she shoots up and she she’s messed up like it’s
it’s sad I know that Terri used to do a lot of drugs
JOHNSON: So have you bin over to her place to see that then
RAFFERTY: to see the drug yeah like my mom and I have tried to tried to
help out a bit um like when we heard when Terri got picked up
cuz Terri’s I think she’s trying to keep her mom out of like
trouble or something, I don’t really know
JOHNSON: yeah
RAFFERTY: and um so when she had to go she’s in gin Genest or Ginelle
Gegaukle (u/i) Detention Centre or whatever it is ah she’s in
there now so we tried to like we brought plants and like not
drugs plants just
JOHNSON: yeah
RAFFERTY: (laugh) plants and furniture and
JOHNSON: trying to help out
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RAFFERTY: you know offered like groceries or offered rides and stuff like
that to help
JOHNSON: right
RAFFERTY: out but you go and you show up and she’s pulling a needle out
of her arm or something it’s just
JOHNSON: so how many times have you bin over at uh Terri-Lynne’s
mom’s place
RAFFERTY: um a handful of times not like five (5) times or less something
like that
JOHNSON: do you know her first name or
RAFFERTY: Carol I think
JOHNSON: Carol okay
RAFFERTY: yeah so and I know it’s not her real mom but it’s I know there’s
every time I I stop by there there’s there’s like somebody there
screwed up outta their tree and shootin up or it’s uh
JOHNSON: when’s the last time you would of stopped by there
RAFFERTY: stopped by yesterday to see how everything went um because
Terri had court yesterday so and then it was carried on to today
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apparently um but I don’t know nothing about today I was
gonna stop by there later and then um
JOHNSON: did you go there with your mom or anyone else was there
someone else with you
RAFFERTY: no I just stopped by and somebody else was already there
JOHNSON: yeah like a a relative or a friend
RAFFERTY: (laugh) no I don’t think it’s a relative
JOHNSON: no
RAFFERTY: just a young girl
JOHNSON: okay
RAFFERTY: um
JOHNSON: that’s too bad about her situation like that then
RAFFERTY: her mom
JOHNSON: yeah
RAFFERTY: her mom’s messed up
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JOHNSON: that’s sounds like maybe Terri-Lynne then has opened up to
you as a friend then and told you about her mom
RAFFERTY: well I’m like her
JOHNSON: like her real mother
RAFFERTY: well I’m the only person she knows who doesn’t do drugs or
doesn’t you know I’m not in that group of people I guess
JOHNSON: right
RAFFERTY: so I don’t know
JOHNSON: so maybe a good thing for her that way
RAFFERTY: maybe but I’m nobody’s personal case worker (laugh)
JOHNSON: no like when would you have met her Terri-Lynne then
RAFFERTY: (pause) I don’t know exactly um
JOHNSON: like a month ago
RAFFERTY: let’s say let’s say a couple months ago maybe I met her maybe
a month and a half two (2) months about two (2) months ago
maybe
JOHNSON: like in March would it be or
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RAFFERTY: sure I don’t know exactly
JOHNSON: April
RAFFERTY: it was it was an accidental random I was at the 7 Eleven and
she was at Pizza Pizza we said hi so
JOHNSON: like would you consider her your girlfriend or
RAFFERTY: my girlfriend
JOHNSON: yeah
RAFFERTY: no (laugh)
JOHNSON: no
RAFFERTY: no I wouldn’t consider but her mom jokingly said that
yesterday surprisingly enough her mom was like ah it’s Terri-
Lynne’s boyfriend I was like I don’t think so
JOHNSON: right like is there any has there been anything between you and
Terri-Lynne uh intimately at all
RAFFERTY: we’re friend we’re friends
JOHNSON: just friends okay
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RAFFERTY: so I don’t you know that’s just her mom’s anyways
JOHNSON: because you know with the type of investigation like this we’re
getting all kinds of information
RAFFERTY: um hmm
JOHNSON: tips rumours stuff like that
RAFFERTY: um hmm
JOHNSON: okay we’re hearing the thing about the drug debts we’re
hearing all kinds of stuff different names have been ah coming
in as lookalikes
RAFFERTY: um hmm
JOHNSON: okay and we have heard Terri-Lynne’s name okay
RAFFERTY: um hmm
JOHNSON: as a person that kinda looks similar
RAFFERTY: um hmm
JOHNSON: have you watched the video
RAFFERTY: yeah I saw it
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JOHNSON: okay did you what did you think watching that video
RAFFERTY: I think
JOHNSON: did you recognize anyone at all um
RAFFERTY: no I didn’t recognize anyone no (laugh)
JOHNSON: okay
RAFFERTY: um
JOHNSON: so we’re just looking into all kinds of different things okay
RAFFERTY: um hmm
JOHNSON: um have you ever observed uh Terri-Lynne wearing any type
of uh certain jackets at all white jackets
RAFFERTY: ah I’ve seen her like she has a long dressy white one I think
JOHNSON: yeah
RAFFERTY: sometimes she has a long dressy black one
JOHNSON: yeah
RAFFERTY: those are the only two (2) coats that I know like one (1) they
sway in the wind as she walks like they’re I don’t know how to
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explain it almost like a I won’t say a business but like if you
know a guy wears a suit and he has that long overcoat
JOHNSON: right
RAFFERTY: that’s almost the type of jacket that I’ve seen and recognize
JOHNSON: okay so there’s bin a white one like that and a black one like
that
RAFFERTY: and a black one yeah
JOHNSON: anything else that you’ve seen
RAFFERTY: no
JOHNSON: okay
RAFFERTY: I mean I don’t pay attention to what she wears like we don’t
like hang out everyday (laugh) or something like
JOHNSON: do you recall around the the eighth (8th) of uh April then ah
what you were doing that day that Wednesday
RAFFERTY: I don’t know what I was doing I mean I for most of the time
I’m just in zipping around town or something and that’s about
it
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JOHNSON: yeah um so you you said you’re doing the odd jobs here and
there would you or could you have bin working maybe that day
do you know like how sporadic is that
RAFFERTY: ah a little while ago I (laugh) like the jobs are just like someone
calls me and says can you fix this I say okay like (laugh)
JOHNSON: yeah
RAFFERTY: it’s nothing really at all right now
JOHNSON: yeah
RAFFERTY: um all the good jobs that I had were you know a while ago and
I was doing dance for a while too but and that stopped for now
so
JOHNSON: what do you mean you’re doing dance
RAFFERTY: um I’m doing like a training program for dance
JOHNSON: yeah
RAFFERTY: it’s um it’s for Fred ASTAIRE
JOHNSON: okay
RAFFERTY: so they they train you but then in the end you’re an instructor
for them
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JOHNSON: yeah
RAFFERTY: um so they don’t you don’t get paid for that amount of time but
then you sign a contract and then you work for them for a year
and and whatever
JOHNSON: okay
RAFFERTY: but I don’t know what I was doing that day something
JOHNSON: no I’m just wondering if you just if you would have saw
RAFFERTY: like I’m always
JOHNSON: if you woulda saw Terri-Lynne
RAFFERTY: I’m always (u/i)
JOHNSON: around that day or like how often would you see her
RAFFERTY: I might have seen her like I don’t like I bump into her like I did
bump in up until she’s in jail I mean I bumped into her a couple
times a week here and there and and it was no more than like
you know twenty (20) minutes here or an hour there or and we
saw a movie once like
JOHNSON: like at the movie theatre you mean
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RAFFERTY: yeah in town here and that was that was it
JOHNSON: okay
RAFFERTY: um I’ve given her rides a lot or
JOHNSON: like where would you take her
RAFFERTY: stuff for her mom like the bank or Zellers or um like her mom
needed prescriptions and stuff so get her ta would go pick up
all her mom’s stuff and go to the bank or go get groceries or
things like that
JOHNSON: is this all local have you ever gone to London or anywhere
RAFFERTY: with her
JOHNSON: yeah with Terri-Lynne
RAFFERTY: no I’ve never gone to London with her
JOHNSON: or out of the town at all
RAFFERTY: no I’ve never gone anywhere with her
JOHNSON: you’ve never gone anywhere
RAFFERTY: no not with Terri
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JOHNSON: no
RAFFERTY: like unless we went to like shopping one day or something
JOHNSON: well just think about it just take your time
RAFFERTY: (pause) I can’t remember I think we might of we might of gone
shopping I don’t I don’t know we might have gone shopping
JOHNSON: whereabouts you think
RAFFERTY: well I go to London to shop at the mall like
JOHNSON: yeah how long ago would that have bin
RAFFERTY: I don’t I don’t know like I can’t even think like that we did
JOHNSON: what do you go to a mall when you usually go or you go
RAFFERTY: yeah
JOHNSON: to a certain store which mall
RAFFERTY: Masonville or ah or White Oaks
JOHNSON: have you ever gone shopping with any other girl from here then
RAFFERTY: with any other girl from here
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JOHNSON: yeah in the last few couple months
RAFFERTY: um (pause) no I haven’t brought my mom out shopping once
haven’t picked anybody up from here I don’t think I don’t
know I really don’t I can’t pinpoint I can’t say no for sure like I
probably could I just can’t say no for sure because I I might be
lying then if I said that but I can’t say yes for sure either
JOHNSON: right
RAFFERTY: so it’s possible
JOHNSON: possible
RAFFERTY: yeah
JOHNSON: okay (pause) just gonna throw some other names at ya
RAFFERTY: um hmm
JOHNSON: James GORIS he’s the ah the boyfriend to Tara MCDONALD
the mother of Victoria STAFFORD
RAFFERTY: I (u/i)
JOHNSON: or a Kevin POMMER you know a Kevin
RAFFERTY: no
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JOHNSON: you don’t know that name either
RAFFERTY: no
JOHNSON: um Jamie DAGENAIS ever heard of that name
RAFFERTY: no
JOHNSON: no so really your group of associates or people you know in
town is very limited there would you say
RAFFERTY: yeah
JOHNSON: um and Joy you don’t you haven’t said too much about her
RAFFERTY: no like I said I just don’t know where that’s (u/i)
JOHNSON: ah and Amanda you you knew her a little bit obviously right
RAFFERTY: a little bit like we we went out bowling once her and I met her
mom once um apparently we
JOHNSON: did you meet her daughter then too
RAFFERTY: no
JOHNSON: no
RAFFERTY: no I never met her daughter
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JOHNSON: but you met her mom
RAFFERTY: yeah I met her mom I met her sister
JOHNSON: okay um what about Terri-Lynne’s associates you know any of
them at all
RAFFERTY: no but funny you ask that one of the guys one of the guys that
she knows I was at Canadian Tire buying a light bulb and uh he
came up to me outta nowhere and said hey and I turned around
this guy with these like red bloodshot eyes he’s like how’s
Terri and I I was sketched up by that I had no idea who he was
and I was like uh I don’t know and he’s like well don’t you
visit her and I’m like I ah yeah but I don’t know anything about
you I’m sorry and so I just kinda went about my business he
scared the shit outta me and then um when I asked ah Carol
who that could possibly be because I said some guy came up to
me and how would he know me I think his name was um Brian
I think or Brad Brad or Brian she said and that he’s gonna get
his ass beaten up for something
JOHNSON: what’s he look like
RAFFERTY: he’s tall and skinny and short hair that’s messy and I think he
mighta had a moustache and he’s really fucked up looking like
JOHNSON: so when he came up to you he seemed to know you then
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RAFFERTY: yeah
JOHNSON: but you never met him before
RAFFERTY: I don’t know who he was I had no idea who this guy
JOHNSON: well how do you think how did he recognize you
RAFFERTY: was I don’t know if he seen seen me around or I don’t know
JOHNSON: recognized your car or what
RAFFERTY: I don’t know I don’t know
JOHNSON: huh (u/i)
RAFFERTY: I don’t know maybe I don’t know
JOHNSON: you said you’ve bin over Carol’s and driving er around or
RAFFERTY: um hmm
JOHNSON: driving them around maybe he saw ya in the vehicle or
RAFFERTY: maybe
JOHNSON: but
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RAFFERTY: I don’t know I don’t know so he just kinda threw me for a
whirlwind I was like well
JOHNSON: yeah
RAFFERTY: you know the guy was scary enough I mean everybody in this
town is no offence like well you’re not from here
JOHNSON: no
RAFFERTY: the people in here are pretty scary
JOHNSON: yeah any of the other associates at all of friends of hers or
Carol’s
RAFFERTY: um met a girl with big breasts (laugh) I don’t know her name
um the only reason I’m saying big breast is because before I
was introduced to her I was told that her breasts are now huge
and it’s the first thing I noticed but I didn’t I don’t remember
her name
JOHNSON: where was she at the house Carol’s house
RAFFERTY: no um I picked her up for Terri one day I don’t remember what
day but I picked her up and she got in the car and I dropped her
off and that was it
JOHNSON: how old would she be around Terri’s age or
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RAFFERTY: maybe maybe a bit older I don’t know
JOHNSON: what about a Kayla (ph) or Katelynn (ph) or you don’t know
that person
RAFFERTY: mm mm I don’t know any of these well I met her neighbour
(u/i) blonde headed girl I met her neighbour like once or twice
I don’t know her name though
JOHNSON: is that like right next door
RAFFERTY: yeah
JOHNSON: or across the road
RAFFERTY: no right next door
JOHNSON: okay
RAFFERTY: like their houses are attached
JOHNSON: okay do you know her name at all or
RAFFERTY: no
JOHNSON: no
RAFFERTY: I know that she has a kid with Autism and Terri-Lynne babysat
for her a few times
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JOHNSON: okay
RAFFERTY: I don’t I don’t know anybody
JOHNSON: yeah anything else you can think of there Mike or
RAFFERTY: (pause) no I really don’t know anybody
JOHNSON: okay
RAFFERTY: so
(sound of door opening)
JOHNSON: (to background) hello
MURPHY: (in background) hi there
RAFFERTY: that’s my mom
JOHNSON: (to background) oh okay we’re just talking to your son here
MURPHY: (in background) okay all right
JOHNSON: okay anything else you wanna add
RAFFERTY: um (pause)
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JOHNSON: I know it’s kinda short notice here we just came in and
RAFFERTY: I don’t really need notice anyway (laugh)
JOHNSON: yeah but
RAFFERTY: but I don’t know (u/i) I don’t know anybody here so
JOHNSON: yeah that’s no problem
RAFFERTY: and how my name’s coming up I don’t don’t know because I
know two (2) people you know who I’ve actually talked to who
are you know questionable people and it’s Terri-Lynne and her
mom so
JOHNSON: well that’s the thing they tell someone else and they tell you
know what I mean how it gets going
RAFFERTY: um hmm
JOHNSON: we’ve talked to hundreds and hundreds of people
RAFFERTY: um hmm
JOHNSON: so it just kinda keeps on going out like that
RAFFERTY: um hmm
JOHNSON: so that’s how it goes so
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RAFFERTY: um hmm
JOHNSON: that’s how you know your name came up
RAFFERTY: yeah well
JOHNSON: you have any problem if maybe we you know if ya think of
something later I know your mom just arrived home maybe we
could talk and or meet again or something like that and just
give you a little more notice
RAFFERTY: um hmm
JOHNSON: okay that’s perfect I got a time of seven (7) thirty-three (33)
P.M. we’ll conclude this interview
RAFFERTY: yeah
INTERVIEW CONCLUDED